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Does Chris Canty have a future in Dallas?

Chris Canty has been an enigma for me with the Dallas Cowboys. Man, he sure does look the part of a 3-4 DE; rangy and weighing 300 pounds, good athleticism - sounds perfect. Plus, he only cost us a fourth round pick. But for some reason, he just hasn't reached that next level, where a player can really affect a game and do it consistently. It's not all about sacks, either. 3-4 ends aren't typically sack machines, that much is true. At the base level, a 3-4 end needs to be able to hold his position against the run and shed blocks to make tackles. If you can't do that, then you can't play the position. Now, if you can do that and create disruption in the backfield by getting penetration and creating chaos with the blocking scheme, then you're above the average cut. This is where you start earning the bigger money. Making tackles for loss is a nice bonus. If you can do all that and get sacks, then you're going to get paid - large.

Will Canty get paid - large?

Make the jump for more and for some Felix Jones news.

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The problem is Canty has never consistently been able to get past the base stage. Occasionally, he flashes in the backfield of the opposition but not often enough to be thought of as a top-flight DE. That's were the problem starts. Apparently his agent says he should be paid along the lines of Raiders DE/DT Tommy Kelly, who snagged a 7-year, $50-million contract. (Insert your own joke here about the Raiders setting the market.) No way is Canty worth that much investment. His stats for solo tackles, forced fumbles, sacks, etc. don't validate anything more than a mid-level payday.

He's a solid player, one I wouldn't mind having back. He's still young and for some reason I think he could blossom although I have no idea how that would happen. Personal dedication on his part? A new coach? The light-bulb just goes on? Experience finally pays off? I don't know, maybe I'm just blinded by the fact I really want him to become elite. Until he is elite, the Cowboys won't be paying a Tommy Kelly kind of price.

The first offer in free agency for Chris Canty probably won't come from Dallas. They'll be content to let other teams set the market - as long as it's not the Raiders!  

So who might be looking at a player like Canty? Miami?

Cowboys DE Chris Canty could be the latest to end up on the Miami Cowboys if Dallas continues to drag their feet to re-up him.

[snip]

Canty was on Sirius Radio today and he said the Cowboys haven't shown much interest. He's a huge fan of Tuna's and obviously he played for many of the Dolphins coaches who came over from Dallas.

"He did draft me. You know, I like Bill, and I've always said there's a part of me that's always going to be a Parcells' guy. I've played under Al Groh in college and then coming in as a rookie under Bill. What they instill in the brand of football that they play, it's been with me so that would be a good fit. But you know we have to wait and see.''

Or maybe Green Bay

"This year's free-agency class has two proven 5-technique players: the Cowboys' Chris Canty and the Chargers' Igor Olshansky. The Packers would benefit from signing at least one of these men for their front," [said Pat Kirwan]

The Pack are moving to a 3-4 defense and need new personnel.

At this point of the offseason, the Packers don't have one sure-thing at defensive end. Will Cullen Jenkins be over his season-ending chest injury? Will Johnny Jolly stay out of jail? Will Justin Harrell be healthy?

So, it's interesting to note that the Dallas Cowboys are going to let standout defensive end Chris Canty shop himself this offseason.

Canty, a 6-foot-7, 304-pound defensive end who started on the right side in Dallas' 3-4 scheme, is regarded as a solid run defender. He just completed his fourth NFL season, so the 26-year-old former fourth-round draft pick has plenty of room to improve as a pass rusher (10 career sacks).

On to another subject and a happy one! The return of El Gato. The Cat, Felix Jones, is doing just fine in his recovery from the toe injury and should be on track for offseason workouts. 

In fact, Jones said Tuesday that he expects to not only participate in next month's off-season workouts, but doesn't see any reason why he won't be able to practice with the team during the OTA (Organized Team Activity) practices in May or even the mini-camp in June.

"I'm getting ready - rehabbing, doing fine. I'm ready for the off-season workouts," Jones said. "It's coming along great. I don't have any problems with (the toe). I'll be ready for the off-season workouts."

[snip]

"Man, I'm up here every day," Jones said with his usual ear-to-ear smile. "I've been in the training room every day. That's what it takes to get back. I want to be better than last year. So you have to work hard."

Jason Garrett even joked that Felix should just sleep at Valley Ranch because he's there every day. Now that's what you want to hear. A Cowboys player doing everything he's supposed to and doing it with enthusiasm.

Can't wait for that kid to get back on the field in 2009.

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Great news on Felix

Been wondering how he’s been doing on things. Good to know.

by Ridgelake on Feb 11, 2009 2:45 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Cowboys really missed the Cat

after he went down, our offense wasn’t the same without him. All the T.O. fans argue that our offense will suffer without T.O., but I got news for them, with the Cat back at full strength, we won’t miss T.O. one bit.

He is the player that can strike fear in opposing defenses and can hurt them from any point on the field, he can be our Westbrook only much, much faster. The screen pass to Choice that went over 60 yards against the Steelers…..the Cat scores on that play and we win the game.

He was missed much more than most fans think. I’m not worried about our offense one bit next season with or without T.O. as long as #28 is healthy and on the field.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 11, 2009 2:46 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Canty was a fourth round pick

He has been FAR above average for a 4th round pick— the guy is a 3 year starter. While he is not a perennial Pro Bowler, I really don’t see how you can say that he wasn’t a good investment. You can’t ding Parcells on Canty.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Feb 11, 2009 4:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Canty had a first round grade

before the eye injury and the knee injury.

He’s a big disappointment. He looked like he was primed for a breakout this year
and played worse than he did the year before.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 11, 2009 4:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

BUT WE DIDN'T USE A FIRST ROUNDER ON HIM

Regardless of what people think his apparent ceiling was, Chris Canty was a good investment of a 4th round pick. We got more out of him than is usually expected of a 4th rounder, even if we don’t re-sign him.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Feb 11, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly Right, for a 4th Round Pick, he was fine

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Feb 11, 2009 5:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would say he was great for a fourth rounder

Signed,

Skyler Green

(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud

by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 11, 2009 6:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Co-signed,

Isaiah Stanback

"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach

by dave33 on Feb 11, 2009 7:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

my concern about him is that he regressed last year...

and in a contract year that really scares me….but at least it should keep his price tag down…but it also makes me wonder if we have already seen his best…maybe he just doesn’t have the motor??

i know Jerrah wanted to extend him last year and they were nowhere even close so they put it off until the offseason…that’s another scary thing….inflated self worth

by McLovin9 on Feb 11, 2009 4:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would still sign him...

I actually think he would be more dominate on Spears side of the line. Move Rat DE, next to Ware and get a true NT to help them all out because that’s what they are missing on this defense.

by Boyzfan94 on Feb 12, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Romo

is a Parcells guy

by cow_fanatic on Feb 11, 2009 2:49 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

not true

Romo wasn’t brought into the team by Parcells.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 11, 2009 3:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually no he isn't

he is a Sean Payton/David Lee guy.

by quincyyyyy on Feb 11, 2009 3:04 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

true but Parcells

was the head coach and Parcells made the decision to play Romo when he took Bledsoe out. So Romo should be indebted to Parcells.

by texstar on Feb 11, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

all that is true

but that doesn’t necessarily mean he’s a Parcells guy.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 11, 2009 3:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Keyshawn Johnson is a Parcel's guy

its not the coolest frat in the world. So was Vinny T

by AustonianAggie on Feb 11, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And....

With that logic the ’95 Cowboys superbowl team were Switzer guys and not Jimmy guys

by quincyyyyy on Feb 11, 2009 5:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Who brought Sean Payton to the Cowboys?

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Feb 11, 2009 5:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And David Lee is a Parcells Guy

Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
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by silverblue5 on Feb 11, 2009 8:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

right terry teams are going to double Felix out of the backfield. dude.

Don't believe everything you think.

Your causes are cute!!!

by stoproyce on Feb 11, 2009 3:00 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

+1 stoproyce....stack the line, and run blitz the CB's, and Felix is negated....with TO....you can't do that...

TO opens up the entire side of the field he’s on , as he takes the db’s down the field to open up those Felix sweeps, and outside draw plays……..

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 11, 2009 3:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You're saying you can negate a top RB but not TO?

Are you serious? I like TO, but were you watching the Cowboys this season? There’s a blueprint out there for negating TO, just like there’s one for negating top RBs. For TO, it’s: bump him at the line with press coverage and roll a safety to his side to bracket him. He vanished for more than just the streak of Brad Johnson starts.

It’s crazy to me that you can argue RBs are too easy to negate, and then say that WRs are immune. WRs are THE easiest players on the field to take out of the game.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Feb 11, 2009 4:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

plus, my argument wasn’t that you couldn’t take the Cat out of the game if you want, but a defense must account for him, like they did with T.O.

When you have speed on offense, you make defenses play honest, its that simple. When the Cat was out last season, defenses weren’t playing us honest.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 11, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

why Tony G

Has being doing for years with very little talent at WR.

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z

by Wmillion on Feb 11, 2009 6:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Witten is a Champion and A Differnce Maker

And, Witten does not depend on TO; that is pure hogwash. Nobody gonna miss TO except the apologists that abound in Cowboy land.

by Iowacowboy on Feb 11, 2009 6:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well Witten put up his biggest numbers by far with TO at WR

it could be a coincidence – but i dont think so

by McLovin9 on Feb 11, 2009 9:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

hes only doing what hes told

if garrett adjusted midgame ONCE TO could do more damage to D that try to run what the other D ran the week before.

What the French?! Toast!

by thebigham on Feb 11, 2009 7:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Its not that TO can't be shut down its that if you have to devote resources to get that job done you can not deploy them against others. Is this that hard to comprehend.

If TO is not here teams are going to either double Witten or RW2. If its RW2 expect an even bigger headache than you perceive Owens to be. If its Witten , Romo may be exposed. Having TO here opens things up for Felix, MBIII,and all the rest of our playmakers. Not to mention he’s on the hook for 9 Million dollars either way .

Don't believe everything you think.

Your causes are cute!!!

by stoproyce on Feb 11, 2009 8:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Our offense looked just fine in Weeks 1-3 when we didn't have Roy Williams

We can succeed as an offense with one less stud WR. Plenty of other teams do it— Philly, Baltimore, San Diego, Tennessee, NYG, etc. We do not need a Pro Bowler at every offensive skill position to be able to score points. It is okay if some of our players get doubled. It happens.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Feb 11, 2009 8:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

sorry...but your not correct...

A WR can be put in motion, and be put in a bunch formation, can run slant patterns, can have picks set for him…many many ways to get open for a WR….but that rests on the OC. QB, and OL to make it all work…..

RB has no chance if a passing game is negated…..lines are stacked, safeties move up, gap blitz run ramped, they are easily contained within an area…

that being said..I’m THEE BIGGEST Felix Jones supporter on this site……but even I know that if our passing game is depleted of talent ( our best playmaker), our running game is going to suffer greatly…If our OLine doesn’t improve our running game is going to suffer,…If Romo doesn’t make better decisions, our running game will surely suffer…and last, but of course not least….IF Garrettt doesn’t get his head out of his rump…….we stand no chance at all…

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 11, 2009 9:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1000000

Don't believe everything you think.

Your causes are cute!!!

by stoproyce on Feb 11, 2009 10:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Has Jones ever been lined up out wide ??

There’s no speculating here…This is Jason Friggin Garrett we’re talking about here…

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 12, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

he could, he definitely has the hands

there’s no reason we can’t use him like the Eagles use Westbrook, i think he’s that versatile.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 12, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

of course he's that versatile..he's better than Westbrook coming out of college...

my point was in Jason Garrett’s scheme..it’s not happening…just like you’d never see a wildcat formation, or any of the west coast variations either……….even though we are loaded with players that would exceed at all of them…

quite frankly..he’s a simpleton, and wasn’t groomed as a coach to know what to do..

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 14, 2009 2:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Why don't you think our passing game can be successful without Owens?

I agree that without a competent offensive coordinator and quarterback, your running game won’t have much of a chance. I would think that’d be pretty obvious.

However, I disagree that if we cut TO, we suddenly don’t have a competent passing game. My point from above still remains— you do not need an All-Pro at every skill position spot on offense. TO was utterly neutralized in a significant number of games this year, and it was not in a way that opened up things for our other players or led to our other WRs or RBs getting big production.

Your logic works the other way too— if we have a solid running threat, then that makes it easier for WRs to get open. Brian Westbrook is the reason that the Eagles are able to succeed with inferior WRs. So if you’ve got Marion, Felix, and Choice in the backfield (not to mention Witten, an All-Pro, at TE), then it’s easier for guys like Miles Austin, Patrick Crayton, and Roy Williams to get open in the passing game.

A unit consisting of Crayton, Austin, Williams, and Witten would still be in the top third of NFL receiving corps. If we cut TO, we should still be completely capable of having a successful passing offense. If we don’t, I would consider it a failure of our offensive coordinator.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Feb 12, 2009 10:05 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with the whole OC's responsibility in making it work....BUT

I must remind you,

Roy E. Williams is a very good #2 WR in this league, and not a #1, and has durability issues.

Patrick Crayton is a marginal #3 WR in this league, and has appeared to regress since the contract signing.

Austin Miles is a complete unknown, and regardless of what little he has shown,or the amount of time he’s spent on the field, there is no way he can be elevated to starter status, on his extremely small body of work. Yet, he’s being labeled the replacement of TO as our deep threat….. Awefully big shoes for a fragile dove who’s never started a guy in his life, or finished a season healthy..

You can forget the comparisons to Philly, as we don’t run that style of offense…Garrett couldn’t hold Reid’s jock when it comes to schemes, formations, play calling, and creativity…He’s west coast, and utilizes his weapons perfectly…unlike the clown here in Dallas..

THE BEST comparison is to the NYGiants and the loss of their #1 Buress….. go and check out the last 6 games of the Giants, and you’ll get a peek into the future…that’s with a better O line, and running system, a comparable QB, and similiar, if not better fleet of WR’s…..

how’d that turn out ?

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 12, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think that the

QB’s are comparable, just like the O-lines were not comparable. Manning had all day to throw and still sucked. Romo had pressure immediately and still had us in every game except the last one. I am a fan of Romo (not as much as Terry), and Manning is no where close. I just wish Romo would hold on to the ball better. Maybe pretend it is Jess’s left breast.

When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.

by GunsUp on Feb 12, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

dead on. if TO is cut teams will double roy and shut down the run. Does anyone trust roy to be

the playmaker that can beat double teams , he couldn’t beat single coverage this year? It is not about having superstars at every position Tim its about having enough of them to make plays and actually change the way defenses prepare for us,its that simple. If TO is getting doubled Witten is not. If TO is drawing doubles maybe we get some return on roy2. If teams genuinely fear our passing game then the RBs will eviscerate defenses and our line will gain some relief (teams that are locked in coverage do not blitz as much). Besides 9 million dollars in dead cap room is not gonna happen,not this year.

Don't believe everything you think.

Your causes are cute!!!

by stoproyce on Feb 12, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't agree with you

And clearly you don’t agree with my assertion that Crayton, Austin, Williams, AND WITTEN (the Giants don’t have an All-Pro tight end, last I checked) would still be in the top third of the league in terms of receiving corps. So we’ll have to agree to disagree.

And the player’s name is Miles Austin, not Austin Miles.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Feb 12, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

For someone that is such a great WR he seemed to have a hard time beating press coverage

as well as getting seperation on the better CB’s, especially the ones in the NFC east…

by Boyzfan94 on Feb 12, 2009 1:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Good luck Tim

Your logical argument falls on deaf ears, I’ve tried. The TO worshippers truly believe he’s the only talented offensive player on the team. It actually unbelievable.

by StillHateTheGiants on Feb 12, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And the TO worshipper's only wrote to people with blind eyes..appearantly

Cuz if you can’t see that TO is not only the best playmaker on this team, but also the reason thee other players succeed here…Then your obviously not watching the same sport as us.

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 14, 2009 2:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I dont think losing or gaining a WR in mid season is a fair chance for evaluation.

You go into a TC knowing who your guys will be and wrap your offense around the guys and schemes. Adjusting mid season is hard even for the defending world champs. You (rightly or wrongly) put all of your eggs in a basket and mid season your lose your main passing cog and have to redo your scheme. it is a recipe for disaster.

by squidlo97 on Feb 12, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

that is why

I wish Jerry had kept the picks and tried for Williams in FA.

(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud

by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 12, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously

Plaxico is why the Giants offense was so good. Their running game suffered when he got benched

by Burt88 on Feb 12, 2009 2:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Their running game suffered when Jacobs went down

Jacobs was used sparingly the last 1/4 of the season, it had a huge impact on their running game.

by StillHateTheGiants on Feb 12, 2009 9:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The running game

wasn’t as effective because teams wouldn’t have to worry about the deep threat. Plaxico would have defenses respect that if you were one on one with him, you would lose. But without him, defenses wonder if any WR on the Giants could beat them. That’s why defenses stacked the line, and their running game wasn’t nearly as effective. Their receivers couldn’t catch anything. Defenses know that the Giant’s offense is average if you take away their running game, Eagles proved that. But Jacobs was hurt true but I think Plaxico being gone killed them most. And their defense wore out in December which I thought was going to happen

by Burt88 on Feb 13, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

funny how the other RB's had higher yard per carry averages...

slowed them down my arse…Burress was the only reason..

MBIII went out with injury and our running game improved with Choice , explain that ?

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 14, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Canty Not Worth $50 Million

He’s not even worth $5 million/season.

by GhostofGaryHogeboom on Feb 11, 2009 3:18 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

come on bro

show me some love

by canty99 on Feb 11, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips

by MrMinority on Feb 11, 2009 3:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1 not worth that kind of doe...

He’s going to get alot of looks though. He can play the 4-3 and 3-4.

by Boyzfan94 on Feb 12, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

he's worth about 3-4 million...tops.....bye Canty...see ya freezing in Green Bay or Denver...

Miami has no use for Canty…they just drafted Merling and Langford…both as good or better than Canty…

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 11, 2009 3:58 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

What concrete sources do you have

that say Merling and Langford are better. I won’t believe you unless I have something concrete

by cow_fanatic on Feb 11, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah....

I kind of wonder where you pull that from too.

by AirforceBat on Feb 11, 2009 5:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They're better than spending 50 mil over 7 years

cheaper means something, and hey Canty, all of America is broke good luck finding inflated contracts in this market

by AustonianAggie on Feb 11, 2009 5:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well...i guess i'm going from my own research, and the fact i've seen Canty play for 4 years...Merling for the past 2 and Langford this past season...

And both were drafted much higher than Canty ??? and yes….usually draft status is a tool to measure talent and worth….otherwise we wouldn’t use a draft system…right ?

I am not about to look up any info or stats for you either…

but you don’t need to believe me either…

.I can assure you Dallas will not be signing Canty….and the chances for Miami are slim at best,

because behind Merling and Langford…they also have some really decent depth with Holliday, Dotson, Starks, and Wright……

Don’t get me wrong….from what i just read, Canty might even take a discount to go play for Parcells…seems to be riding Tuna’s jock with many of the statements i read….so who knows…Merling was a legit 1st round player that slipped to the top of the 2nd.., and Langford was MY number 1 sleeper pick from Hampton, and I probably knew about him before Parcells even heard his name, as I was following him prior to the ’07 season…

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 11, 2009 10:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

who are u replacing me with lol

hatcher..please…Now if u can get yourselves a Nt and move ratt to the end…now i can understand that move…but hatcher is not the answer…

by canty99 on Feb 11, 2009 4:07 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'll take

my chances with Olshansky and hatcher.

Ain’t paying canty the big bucks to play 2 downs.

by oneforthethumb on Feb 11, 2009 7:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hatcher.....

He nearly ousted Spears from his spot 2 years ago before getting injured.

by Boyzfan94 on Feb 12, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills

Guys. I am not saying that we should re-sign Chris Canty for an exorbitant amount, or match all other offers that he gets, because there may be a team out there that overpays for him.

But the guy is a FOURTH ROUND PICK who turned into a THREE YEAR STARTER, and a very reliable one at that. His 2007 season in particular was very strong. Fourth round picks do not turn into reliable starters on a regular basis. Why all the vitriol now for Canty? If he goes to another team or asks for too much money from us, then that’s too bad, but this guy was a good investment of a draft pick and that is how we should view his tenure here so far. Not every player on your roster is a failure if they don’t become an All-Pro.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Feb 11, 2009 4:19 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Because his agent is saying he is worth $50 mill

so he is already asking for too much money. No way in hell is he worth that NO MATTER where he was drafted. If he was content to take an average salary and keep on playing, I’d love to have him but he has $$ in his eyes and will be a bust somewhere else.

by Billito on Feb 11, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

thats what agents do..

he is a free agent is should go out and get as much as the market bears….You only get a few chances if not only 1 to be a free agent..I do not blame him …

by canty99 on Feb 11, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

as long as the Raiders aren't interested in him then hopefully

he gets offered market value and we can sign him…this guy has ‘warning’ written all over him if you overpay

by McLovin9 on Feb 11, 2009 4:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

My suspician is the escalating money of the last 5 years

is going to be nipped in the bud this year. There are some teams that claim to be close to their margins as is, and lets not forget the city of Miami is one of the worst hit in the real estate collapse.

Their financial side might not be interested in paying.

by AustonianAggie on Feb 11, 2009 5:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

GB is cheap as heck as it is

San Deigo’s economy is in pretty bad shape too, if he were going there. This market might be surprisingly low across the board when I consider it.

by AustonianAggie on Feb 11, 2009 5:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's happening in baseball

Adam Dunn got 2 years for $20MM total. If this was 2006, he would’ve gotten $50+MM easy. His offensive numbers are far better than Andruw Jones’.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Feb 11, 2009 8:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

As was pointed out earlier

Yes we got a good deal on him because he was damaged goods at draft time. But, he was rated as a 1st round pick prior to his medical woes. So the disappointment in his production is the result of fans expecting him to play like a 1st round talent by his 2nd and 3rd seasons, and not like he was some sleeper pick that was found in the 4th round. It has nothing to do with animosity towards the guy. He hasn’t lived up to realistic expectations,yet. That’s the problem.

Feb. 18-24 -- NFL Scouting Combine
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft

by APerfectStar on Feb 11, 2009 6:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Its not everyday that i dont see eye to eye with Tim Wilson

It matters not a lick what round Canty was drafted in.

He was tendered last year and cost over 2 mil on the cap. He must be judged with that in mind and by the fact that in his third year he should continue to show improvement (PARTICULARLY while playing in a contract year). Instead, he regressed a little, at best.

This was surprising to me.

Perhaps he felt he had “arrived” after the tender and that he rated a long term deal like so many other young Cowboys have recently signed. Perhaps his agent filled his head with crap. Or, perhaps he simply had a bad season (as Tnew did in his 2nd year).

It is possible his agent high-balled dallas in the hopes they would pay him higher than market value, but it certainly appears that they are willing to let him test the market and that he will not get a huge deal.

Give him a contract that keeps his annual cap hit a little lower than where it is now, and I’d say it is a good signing. anything higher than that, you’re rolling the dice with the guy.

by THEjarhead on Feb 11, 2009 7:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Umm, the above post was meant to go under Tim Wilson's post of 2:19 PM.

Im still getting used to this bouncing up and down the thread posting. I’d rather just post them all chronologically and refer to previous posts by their number.

by THEjarhead on Feb 11, 2009 7:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that once a guy's been around a year or so, you can stop evaluating him by his draft pick

On-field value versus salary is the appropriate way to evaluate a veteran’s worth, not where he was drafted. But for the first few years of his career, Canty cost us a 4th round pick and a 4th round pick’s equivalent salary. To get a 16 game starter for that investment is great, I think. Now, when he got the $2MM tender, maybe that’s the time to forget his draft pick and start evaluating his worth relative to what he’s getting paid. I can see that line of thinking. That’s valid.

I would still contend that $2MM for a 16 game starter on the d-line is pretty good value. So is Canty living up to his potential as a physical specimen, as an athlete? I don’t know. Maybe not. His 2008 didn’t seem to live up to what he showed in 2007. But is he a decent value for what we have invested in him? Yes, so far I think he’s been a very good value. If his price jumps up this offseason, then that changes, but for those who are down on him now and who thinks he’s a failure of the Parcells’ era— I don’t agree.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Feb 11, 2009 8:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think most of us

would like Canty back. The question is price. As Tim Wilson indicates, the guy has been a 3 year starter. Has he lived up to potential? No, not yet. Has he been adequate? I’d say yes. Unless and until better alternatives come along, I have no problem with him. Again, it gets back to price.

by Ridgelake on Feb 11, 2009 4:28 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

I like Canty, but I don’t know what in his play would warrant 50 mil.

by AirforceBat on Feb 11, 2009 5:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree too

I think if Canty wants a big payday he’d be better off taking a 3 year, 11 mil contract w/ 8 bonus and try again when he’s 27. This year I expect a cut back in new contractual spending.

by AustonianAggie on Feb 11, 2009 5:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Addition by Subtraction

Canty, who lacks both style and substance, occupies the spot ideally suited for Jay Ratliff.

PS: Told you that Tex and Connors were neither drunk nor disorderly after fake cops escorted the former tennis great and some Country Clubers out of the UNC/UCSB game. A Santa Barbara judge dismissed all charges yesterday.

by Montecito Tex on Feb 11, 2009 5:18 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

What....

in the blue hell are you talking about?

by AirforceBat on Feb 11, 2009 5:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

hahaha

"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips

by MrMinority on Feb 11, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This guy is probably locked up in a mental ward somewhere...

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by APerfectStar on Feb 11, 2009 6:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
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by silverblue5 on Feb 11, 2009 8:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

mwahahahaha

Don't believe everything you think.

Your causes are cute!!!

by stoproyce on Feb 11, 2009 8:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Basically,

Tex is saying that he likes to speak in the third person, likes to drink and hang with a guy who used to play with balls for a living and the judge saw nothing wrong with that…………

by T Zig on Feb 11, 2009 6:02 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

One wonders the whereabouts of Matthew McConaughey

whenever Montecito Tex posts a comment.

If you are beating a dead horse, you might be a Cowboys fan.
I was StarStruck at TBB/BSR, now...

by icStars on Feb 11, 2009 6:12 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Canty, Parcells guy?

Canty says he’s a Parcells guy? What does that mean? He never did anything to deserve that tag. He blocked a punt and he wants $50 million. Go find another sucker. No one was more frustrating to watch than Canty. He was always pushed back, played with no technique, and regressed completely this year. Now, he has the audacity to ask for that much money. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out, Canty. And take Spears with you.

by beautifultyrant on Feb 11, 2009 6:52 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

man you guys are tough on me...

I have yet to reach my full potential…I have been stout against the run and have started to make plays in the backfield as the season wore on..show me some love cowboy fans u will miss me when i am gone…good luck finding my replacement… :)

by canty99 on Feb 11, 2009 6:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

id be happy to keep you

but hey we aint got much cap. it would be best to get you for a fair price and let spears go next year. then again that means ratlif is stuck in the middle one more year.

by Becho on Feb 12, 2009 3:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

adequate?

I don’t see how Canty was adequate. He was a liability on running plays and never pressured the passer. I think we can find an adequate DE in the draft.

by beautifultyrant on Feb 11, 2009 6:58 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

good luck

finding a DE in the 3-4 scheme my size and with my athletic ability is not so easy…especially when ur giving up draft picks left and right……you only have so many picks and so many needs…NT and safety come to mind so where in the draft are u going to find a replacement for me…Name me some "adequate 3-4 DE’s in this draft who will be availbale to the boys when they pick knowing you have bigger needs..If your so sure i am not good enough u need to name names on who will be my possible replacement..

by canty99 on Feb 11, 2009 7:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Possible replacements

Jason Hatcher
Jay Ratliff
Steven Bowen
Marcus Dixon
Rookie to be named later

If you really want to stay Chris, take a reasonable offer to re-sign with Dallas. Most fans would like that outcome the most.

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April 25-26 -- NFL Draft

by APerfectStar on Feb 11, 2009 7:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

what are you talking about no picks

we have a 2,3,4,4,5,5,6,7,7, plus likely 2 compensatory 5th round picks.

by Becho on Feb 12, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

AP

Like I said earlier if dallas can get that NT who can do the job in the middle then rat would be a great replacement at DE no doubt…But thats a big if…All the others u mentioned is a downgrade at the De position. I might very well be reasonable and take a fair contract will the boys however if GB ofers me a big deal no one can blame me by jumping all over it…But if I leave i will be missed..I know there is alot of room for improvement but i have yet to reach my full potential..

by canty99 on Feb 11, 2009 7:33 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

how bout we trash all our cap on one FA

Haynesworth, then we got an awesome NT and your replacement in Ratlif. Ahh, but dreams do not happen.

Personally I hope you come back for a decent price.

Has Haynesworth been franchised?

by Becho on Feb 12, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yo, Canty99!

Possible rookie replacements: from the draft or free angency
Vance Walker GT
Darryl Richard GT
Pannel Egboh Stanford
Roy Miller Texas
Evander Hood Mizz

by beautifultyrant on Feb 11, 2009 7:35 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

thanks bro for the reply

Those are interesting names …I have watched walker and richard play as well as miller…all 3 have potential but are far from locks to be adequate replacements…With any of those young men there will be a drop off at the DE postion next season for the boys….Maybe 2-4 years down the road it will be a different story…time will tell…But at least with 99 u know who u got…

by canty99 on Feb 11, 2009 7:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

canty

 Just stay for cheap and be part of the rotation. Get better, get your big contract. If you perform, Jerry will pay you; he always does.

by beautifultyrant on Feb 11, 2009 7:37 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

jerry does i cannot deny that

I still worry about injuries ..anything can happen so i need to look at all my options..GB still might make me very happy…I need to see whats out there but in the end I be very pleased to stay a cowboy…Now if T.O.. was released i take less to stay no doubt lol

by canty99 on Feb 11, 2009 7:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Does anybody know anything about Olshansky?

I guess he’s a Wade guy and could plug right in. Otherwise, we are fine with Hatcher, Bowen, etc. stepping in. Not that I’m happy with our DE play, but there was no dropoff from Hatcher and Spear’s mediocre play to any of our backup’s mediocre play.

by JimmyJohnson on Feb 11, 2009 7:37 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Olshansky

is a much better player than Spears or Canty, but that could be due to Jamal Williams being a stud at NT.

by VA Dallas Fan on Feb 11, 2009 8:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

DE

Not every DE has to be 6’7 or 6’8 300lbs. in a 3-4. Give me a 6’3, 6’4 290lbs. DE with heart and a motor, and see the difference. AKA Ratliff.

by beautifultyrant on Feb 11, 2009 7:41 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

The sad thing is

when you think of how good the defense would be if Canty, Spears, or Hatcher (all high picks with all the physical tools) played with any heart or motor.

by JimmyJohnson on Feb 11, 2009 7:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

no heart??

I play with heart and emotion..I am a 3-4 de not a 4-3 de..I go against double teams often and my first job is too stop the run which i do quite well ty…..come on mannnn

by canty99 on Feb 11, 2009 7:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

you're beginning to convince me that maybe you really are Chris Canty?

here’s to hoping the economy keeps spending low — maybe to increase the chances of our Cowboys re-signing you to a deal that won’t break da bank : )

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by silverblue5 on Feb 11, 2009 8:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ok I know one thing for sure

silver will not become my new agent :)

by canty99 on Feb 11, 2009 8:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I've got no problem keeping Canty

just dont overpay for him. If he walks, he walks

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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 11, 2009 8:52 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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