Lewis & Atogwe: Players of Interest or Will o' the Wisps?
by Rafael Vela on Feb 11, 2009 8:59 PM CST
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Two potential players of interest for Dallas may never hit the market.
The Rams website reports that FS Oshiomogho Atogwe, an '08 breakout player who has snagged 13 interceptions the past two seasons, will enter serious contract negotiations with the club later this week. Atogwe rates as a, if not the top free agent priority in St. Louis, so his chances of testing free agency seem dim at this time.
In Baltimore, the Ray Lewis news comes hard and heavy and will either intrigue you or leave you cold -- depending on which story you favor.
The Sun's Mike Preston today quoted the DMN's Calvin Watkins that Lewis attempted to contact Jerry Jones through a third party, notably one Terrell Owens. Deion Sanders -- who ended his career as a Raven -- is also rumored to be recruiting Lewis for Big D.
Later today, Preston blogged that Lewis and the Ravens will not begin negotiations until next week's Combine. His post is far less certain that a deal will be reached than some cable sports news crawls I've read today:
Lewis' agent will be there as will Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome, and that's when the two sides can hammer out a deal, if they agree to one.
There haven't been any serious negotiations between the two sides.
This fits the free agent pattern seen the last couple of years. Teams have become much better at managing their caps and fewer and fewer quality free agents hit the market. Expect more of the top free agent prospects to re-sign with their current teams in the next week or so.
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So Ray Lewis...
Is trying to contact Dallas through TO?
Irony anyone?
by AirforceBat on Feb 11, 2009 9:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That will make things interesting
When/if JJ gets a brain and cuts TO.
by GhostofGaryHogeboom on Feb 12, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
by stoproyce on Feb 11, 2009 9:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Line in the sand
I can’t back it up with the stats and facts that so many on this site are able to do, but, somehow, Ray Lewis is more repulsive to me than Adam Jones ever thought about being. I just can’t see or embrace wooing and welcoming a guy with a murder case involvement hanging over his head. I know, I know, he was never convicted of anything, but you all heard the testimony and the story; it just smelled. Is this what it has come to with JJ? The whole thing just gives me a stomach ache. Pac and Tank were enough for me….
by rocklaw on Feb 11, 2009 9:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Marvin Harrison is also involved in a murder case do u think the Colts are gonna not like Harrison on the field
by rioplayer7 on Feb 11, 2009 9:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not that it matters
but I don’t think the Harrison thing is murder… Just a shooting, isn’t it? Yeah, it bothers me though, even though we aren’t talking about the Cowboys….. If Marvin is proven to be involved, then, NO, I wouldn’t want him on the team either; or Plax….. What I am saying is that it seems so strange that everyone seems to have forgotten that RLewis was tied real closely to that MURDER…. and now, people want to throw a lot of money at him to get him in Dallas. I know, he as been an inspirational leader since the trial and seems to have embraced a responsible lifestyle with a Christian center… but when is enough, actually enough?
by rocklaw on Feb 11, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Looking into it this is what i got
The lone person sticking to his assertion that Lewis acted violently has been Chester Anderson, not exactly an ideal witness. Anderson is an admitted con artist in jail on identification fraud charges.
So i dont know
by rioplayer7 on Feb 11, 2009 10:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said
don’t matter… this not a cowboy situation. Either way, I would not go near the guy for several reasons if I was the cowboys: 1. Age 2. His involvement (even if not murder) the gun used is registered to him 3. His unwillingness to cooperate with the Law. Cowboys don’t seem to be doing to well with these kind of characters… Sure, some folks deserve 2nd and 3rd chances…. but it just ain’t working for Dallas.
by rocklaw on Feb 11, 2009 10:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
I didn’t process your post…. I was referring to Harrison. If you can, dig around the lewis story some more and give a listen to the audio of his testimony. It just smells.
by rocklaw on Feb 11, 2009 10:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I will agree but like the post glory had a few weeks back
some people have grown up with friends that are just like that I believe he has seperated himself from them something pacman can not do because he is one of them
by rioplayer7 on Feb 11, 2009 11:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
But it’s been 9 years.
He hasn’t had another incident since then.
by AirforceBat on Feb 12, 2009 12:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you care?
I HATE sanctimony, and I hate when fans dramatize and personalize, based on their own set of flawed, biased, and invented criteria, the private lives of professional athletes. All it is is a window into your own prejudices and biases… nothing more, and I’d rather not read that stuff on this blog.
Never mind that you yourself claim not to know the facts of Ray Lewis’ case, or in the interceding DECADE he’s become a venerated, respected face of the league, one of the best linebackers ever, a minister rededicated to his own spiritual growth and the growth of others willing to be helped, and a guy who could help this team.
by Joey2zs on Feb 12, 2009 9:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree - it is a football decision
I’m just not sure if it is a good move in terms of the money and his age. I would way rather Bart Scott.
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 12, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
My conceren with Ray Lewis is his age as well. Bart Scott seems to have more upside because of his age. I agree that Lewis’ leadership is unbelievable but will this current group of guys accept his leadership? They haven’t in the past.
by texstar on Feb 12, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
ideal posse material, but he was obviously there. Whether it was with Lewis’ permission or not, he was hanging with people of less than stellar character ala Pacman and Vick and see where that got them.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
by GunsUp on Feb 12, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I could really care less what happened 10 years ago.
He hasnt been in trouble since. It’s like the way that a felony is held against you FOREVER in the job market. You can do something dumb in 1984, stay clean for 25 years then have it used against you in 2009.
The fact that Ray hasn’t been in trouble in 10 years is good enough for me. That shows he’s not a “trouble guy”, it’s more like one really bad decision.
IF YOU'RE LOOKIN FOR ME...I'M AT THE SCRIP CLUB WITH PACMAN......AND WE'RE BEING REBELLION!!
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 12, 2009 6:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he was aquitted and in my view, just a celebraty at the wrong place
not that I have xray vision for the past or anything
by AustonianAggie on Feb 12, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Rams will definitely sign
Atogwe, he’s the only thing going for that Rams defense besides Witherspoon; and Ray Lewis, ehh, i’ll believe it when i see it. I trust the media less and less these days.
"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips
by MrMinority on Feb 11, 2009 9:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think Bart Scott and James Farrior are better values than Lewis
who could cost a mint.
by Rafael Vela on Feb 11, 2009 9:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Farrior's staying in Pittsburgh for sure
http://kdka.com/steelers/James.Farrior.contract.2.800173.html
But yes I’d take Bart Scott over Lewis because of age, but I don’t know because Ray Ray is a true leader. That’s tough, Ray Lewis or Bart Scott
by Burt88 on Feb 11, 2009 9:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I kinda think we should look at recently cut LB Marlon Greenwood- Houston....
always racked up the 100+ tackling stats……good LB depth and special teams at least…..6’0" 241lbs…nothing flashy, just gets the job done…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 11, 2009 9:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking about him as a roster filler
maybe a guy you look at late in FA or after the draft to give you depth.
by Rafael Vela on Feb 11, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I agree, if the Texans cut him he may be only useful as filler, they do not have
enough talent to let any good players get away.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Feb 12, 2009 8:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Texans cut him on Tuesday, along with Ahman Green
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Feb 12, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
actually, it was more a money decision, and his replacement is very good, cheap, and young...
I’m not saying he’s the starter i’d be looking for, but he’s a guy i’d sign late in FA, like Raf said, to add quality veteran depth to the line up… He was NFL Defensive Player of the Week in week 13 this past season…so he still has game…
prior to this past season, he averages about 120 tackles a season….he’d cost about 30% of what Ray Lewis would cost us..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 12, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I perfer roster fillers, cheap, numerous
and maybe you get a diamond unexpectedly, a guy who just responds w/ in your tactical set/system
by AustonianAggie on Feb 12, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. We need to remember the goal is to win the postseason, not to win the offseason.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Feb 12, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Alright,
But, what if Ray Lewis is the rudder (albeit a jewel-encrusted, fantastically expensive rudder) this team needed to navigate the period where Romo went down, and the locker room crows started squawking, and the media went into OJ-in-the-white-Bronco focus on the Cowboys? That rudder probably gets the Cowboys through that rough stretch with a few extra wins, a playoff berth and who knows?
not that it means anything, but a healthy, in-sync Cowboys beats the hell out of the Steelers and the Cards.
So, while it may be a patch, player/coach Ray Lewis could be The Difference. And if he is, then isn’t he more valuable than Bart Scott’s physical skills and youth?
by Joey2zs on Feb 12, 2009 9:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He could be
but Rod Woodson mentioned a possible strategy that I think is correct: The Ravens will try and work out Lewis’ deal, then franchise Suggs if need be. Scott is priority three on that team, which also has FAs at a lot of other positions to worry about.
If Farrior re-ups in Pittsburgh the pool suddenly got very small in a hurry. And if the Jets, who suddenly got 13M in cap relief yesterday with Favre’s retirement, go after Scott, then he won’t be cheap either.
Just trying to stay in the realm of the realistic. Scott may be Dallas’ only available target.
by Rafael Vela on Feb 12, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought that Favre's retirement just barely got them below the cap for next year?
I could be wrong though.
by Mandmeisterx on Feb 12, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We supposed to have that rudder in Zach Thomas.
I think there is only so much one person can do to fight an organizational illness the persists year after year.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
by GunsUp on Feb 12, 2009 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes I think these players didn't have a chance to be leaders
Parcels subjected everyone, and the 13-3 year no one needed to stand up, and the 9-7 year blind sided them before they realized it. If Romo, Witten and Ware were ever going to be the leaders, this is the year
by AustonianAggie on Feb 12, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seems like there might be better ways to spend our money
As I think Raf has pointed out in the past couple weeks, for what Ray Lewis would cost, we could probably get a handful of less expensive players to give us depth at a number of spots on the roster. One of those players could be Kevin Burnett, but we could probably also sign an extra safety or CB, and maybe a fullback or backup guard, maybe even a backup QB. Certainly we’re not going to get 3-4 starters for what we’d pay Ray Lewis, but you could definitely get some young depth at a few places in the roster. I think that’d be my preference at this point, rather than continuing with the “Big Ticket Free Agent” approach which we’ve seen mixed results with. Lewis’ age factors into it quite a bit for me as well.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Feb 12, 2009 9:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and we all must respect that the 100% most important player for Dallas to sign
is Demarcus Ware; he more than any other player on our roster is the kind of guy you build a franchise around, and Dallas has a lot of good ones. Ray Lewis might limit financial felixability for the most important player Dallas has
by AustonianAggie on Feb 12, 2009 11:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why does everybody think Cricket Anderson isn't a good FB
I usually see him play pretty well. what did you guys see that makes you think he should go?
by AustonianAggie on Feb 12, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I strongly think the 'boys should duck FA altogether and focus on developing young players
Like Indy does. FA can work though, Pats in 03 signed two pretty good DTs to re-enforce their awful run defense from 02
by AustonianAggie on Feb 12, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i thought Ray Ray wanted to break TOs legs
after the botched SF trade to Baltimore….hard to believe that they are now fast friends
by McLovin9 on Feb 11, 2009 9:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
and if he wanted to reach out to JJ
would he do it through someone who (apparently) is barely hanging on with the Cowboys as it is??
isn’t that what agents are for??
by McLovin9 on Feb 11, 2009 9:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but if an agent is talking to JJ then it would be considered tampering before the Feb 27th
deadline. But if a player is talking to the owner about the FA then there is no rule against that. I agree though, I thought there would be some bad blood between TO and RL but if they are talking to each other about wanting to have him here then it make you wonder if that was a little overblown as well.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Feb 12, 2009 9:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
just like every other notion or perceived belief of TO being an abrasive cancer, or malcontent...
it make you wonder if that was a little overblown as well.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 12, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You notice the story said
Lewis was trying to contact Jerry, not the other way around. I think Jerry is safe, so long as:
a. he isn’t initiating contact with a player, and;
b. isn’t talking directly. He may listen to Ray’s message, and if so, I don’t see that he’s
broken any league rules.
by Rafael Vela on Feb 12, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
they both live in Miami, and yes...i am sure they run into each other often....
great athletes respect each other…..regardless…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 11, 2009 9:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In my own fantasy world I would love to see the boys consider trading down in the draft to grab..
Rey Maluga from USC he is the next Ray Lewis
by NJcowboysFAN on Feb 11, 2009 9:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
trade down?
they would have to trade UP a full round to get him.
by Rafael Vela on Feb 11, 2009 9:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Next Ray Lewis....
Hmmmm, that is pretty high praise.
I think he’s a dominate player, but Ray Lewis was one of the most impressive college linebackers (inside) I’d ever seen.
by AirforceBat on Feb 11, 2009 11:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We would have to give up our 2010 1st rounder, and this years 2nd rounder to get in the #15 - #17 pick range...
If he slips to that area, as projected, I’d be all for it !!
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 12, 2009 1:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He seems to be an excellent player...
…but Ray Lewis is one of the top 3 MLBs in NFL history. From what I’ve seen on Maluga, he’s an excellent prospect, but there are a few minor knocks on him as well (overpursues at times, can be shaky when covering in space, etc.).
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Feb 12, 2009 9:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, he's got some flaws...but we also have some professional coaches to work on those...
It’s the body, frame work, and tenacity I see that has me believing he has a very good chance of being a Ray Lewis- like player in the NFL.
He’s sure no Barbie Carpenter..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 12, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm stll holding out for Carpenter but damn if I know why at this point
I’ve long suspected he just needs playing time…. he has some spot duty, anyone remember how he did? I guess he didn’t make many plays. Parcels started Ware right away, I guess if he thought Carpenter was any good, he’d of started right away too.
by AustonianAggie on Feb 12, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The only real significant playing time I remember was the playoff game in Seattle
And I thought he did a good job. Not great, but steady enough to where I thought he’d get some more playing time
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
by BigDinSC on Feb 12, 2009 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
A deserves a real shot at starting, but I’m not sure he will get it..
by Boyzfan94 on Feb 12, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Barbie deserves nothing
he hasn’t shown anything from the ILB position in practice or pre season games, to say he is deserving is nonsense.
He needs to be traded to a 4-3 team to have a shot to remain in the league, he just doesn’t have the toughness to play ILB in a 3-4.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 12, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
forget it Terry...he is NOT going anywhere so relax....
by Boyzfan94 on Feb 13, 2009 12:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't be too confident about that
If we acquire some ILBs this off season, he’s as good as gone
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 13, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's been given every opportunity to win a spot, I'm certain of that
No team wants to keep a 1st round pick on the bench. He just couldn’t play his way onto the field. Maybe the light comes on this year, but I’m not hold my breath. If Dallas drafts a couple good rookie LB’s, I could see him being traded.
Feb. 18-24 -- NFL Scouting Combine
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Feb 12, 2009 5:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1...Why did we bring in Zack ? Why are we rumored to be looking at Ray Ray ?
Why ? cuz Barbie is the biggest bust around..
.I actually thought he should have been traded LAST offseason…we’d be lucky to get a 5th rounder for him now..
I’m will to keep him around for camp, just so we can watch him get tossed around like a rag doll again in training camp…It’s sad, but entertaining to see the Columbo’s of the world bitch slap him around Valley Ranch……Then we cut him last day of camp, and boot him out the door…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 14, 2009 8:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Poor Barbie.
He would so benefit from performance enhancing drugs. Maybe he should play baseball.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 14, 2009 11:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Maybe he should play baseball."
Do you seriously believe that there aren’t a lot of guys in the NFL taking those drugs?
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 14, 2009 5:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He played well in that Seattle game, and then he just disappeared
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Feb 12, 2009 11:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes, at OLB where he belongs
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 12, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Carpenter and Mat McBriar were the MVPs of that Seattle game
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Feb 12, 2009 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And Julius Jones
Carps and JJ – one reason why that was a bizarre game. JJ got hit in the groin and turned into a crazy man. Before and after that he was tentative.
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 12, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I watched him in preseason last year, where he had tons of playing time to show if he's got it...
failed miserably…IMO….He’s not aggressive, or strong at point of contact, he’d rather pile on the play, AFTER someone else takes initiative to tackle, and he’s spaced out, looks lost, and lacks recognition skills…It was by far the most upsetting first round selection in the history of me watching the teams drafts….I knew he wasn’t going to amount to anything, long before he made the plane ride to Dallas…Gotta cut ties with this guy…
I hope and pray he could prove me wrong, but i don’t see it happening…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 12, 2009 11:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
again...with the preseason garbage....give it a break already...
by Boyzfan94 on Feb 12, 2009 12:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
FYI, thats where players earn playing time
why do you think they play those games.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 12, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1 Terry .....LOL
this guy’s too funny…
maybe we should throw him in there during crunch time and let him get his reps ??
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 14, 2009 8:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
me.....
Can’t do that stuff anymore…. lol…. too many football injuries from playing that position, but I bet you at 32 I can still hold up better than China Doll Stanback…..either way, I wouldn’t mind collecting his pay for one preseason game….lol
by Boyzfan94 on Feb 14, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He meant Barbie Carp, not you.
Sounds like you were quite the China Doll yourself.
Feb. 18-24 -- NFL Scouting Combine
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Feb 15, 2009 1:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nahh....had a few, but I wasn't looking to be a NFL LB...
at 6’1 1/2 235 lbs too small for that level. I had to eat like a animal and take supplements like crazy just to keep the weight on…..I have my own buiness, no complaints….
by Boyzfan94 on Feb 15, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I saw
where CB Drayton Florence was cut by Jacksonville today. I know he had some time with Wade. Wonder if the Boys might be interested? He’s only 28 but didn’t have a great year. I remember some talk in the past about him coming to Dallas. Might make it easier to move Henry to FS (or at least try). Jacksonville also cut WR Jerry Porter.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/395957/rss
New 4 round mock I found – http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2009.php
2 round mock – http://thefootballexpert.com/mockdraft2.html
Interesting – http://www.fantasyfootballjungle.com/y/nfl-draft/teams/index.php?steam=Dal
by tyler2 on Feb 11, 2009 11:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
Jacksonville’s secondary didn’t do so hot, so I would be skeptical about that.
by AirforceBat on Feb 11, 2009 11:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who would Florence displace?
Would he beat out Mike Jenkins? Doubt it.
Would he beat out Scandrick ? Doubt that too.
Shoot, would he beat out Henry? I don’t even think
Drayton Florence is that good.
And can we jettison the Henry to FS line? He’s 33, and entering
the last year of his contract. He’s only going to FS if Kenny Hamlin
injures himself early in camp and is out for most of or all of the year.
by Rafael Vela on Feb 12, 2009 12:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bingo
I think the Henry to Safety proposition has ran its course.
by AirforceBat on Feb 12, 2009 12:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to think that, but...
it’s constantly raised in these threads. Everyone just assumes that any aging corner with declining skills can simply transition to safety, as if its a position that requires far less talent. I just don’t think that holds water.
by Boundforbeach on Feb 12, 2009 11:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wouldn't he take
Pac’s spot?
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on Feb 12, 2009 10:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We need a career safety
And, Henry’s been a pretty good player most of his career. He’s not Champ or Tnew, but pretty good CBs is strong asset
by AustonianAggie on Feb 12, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We need Ray Lewis to get resigned
so that Jim Leonard’s contract extension is more of a hassle.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 12, 2009 2:10 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 12, 2009 3:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Jim Leonard is not a free safety. He has very limited coverage skills. Are you assuming we keep Hamlin at FS and put Leonard at SS? I’d rather find a SS who can cover a bit, because Hamlin’s decent in coverage but not great. A SS with some coverage ability might help to supplement him a bit. We’ve already got Roy Williams if you just want a SS who is a run stopper.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Feb 12, 2009 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure Dallas plays their safeties more Left and Right
rather than Free and Strong.
We need a playmaker…Period. What makes you think Leonard has limited coverage skills? His are just as good if not better than Hamlin’s.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 12, 2009 9:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t another of Baltimore’s LBs a free agent also?
by Turbo73 on Feb 12, 2009 2:12 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
3 of them are
suggs and scott as well
by rioplayer7 on Feb 12, 2009 3:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One of them will be franchised
So it’s really only two. I can’t imagine they’d let Suggs get away.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Feb 12, 2009 9:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
From what I've read
some are projecting Lewis to be franchised and Suggs to get a new contract. They would let Scott go. Don’t know if it is true, but that’s what I’ve read.
by texstar on Feb 12, 2009 10:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Doubt they'd franchise Lewis
That’d mean paying him over $11MM, which is a HUGE amount of money. A player’s franchise number is either the average of the top 5 players’ salaries at his position, or a 20% raise over his previous year’s salary. For Lewis, it would be the latter.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Feb 12, 2009 10:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Now Suggs is a player who can rush the QB, i've always liked him
not to discount Ray Lewis.
But, remember Ohio State w/ Bobby Carpenter and that other dude who was so good? In hind sight, the great LB made the other LBs look good. What if the Ravens have some similar phenomena?
by AustonianAggie on Feb 12, 2009 11:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, and AJ Hawk has been sub-par for where he was drafted
by Boyzfan94 on Feb 12, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's outstanding in coverage...
One of the league’s best cover LBs. But he gets caught up in the wash on run plays and can’t get to the QB on blitzes. I’d agree thta he’s been a disappointment so far.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Feb 12, 2009 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Im a huge OSU fan and followed AJ and Bobby through college....
They both fed off each other no question about it. AJ hasn’t been the dominant LB he was supposed to be coming out. I don’t know if it’s GB scheme or what, but AJ lost playing time this season and nearly his starting role on the team last season. The reason for this from what I read was him not being able to cover on passing downs. Sorta like what we have in James and Zach.
by Boyzfan94 on Feb 12, 2009 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well at least you know where AJ Hawk is playing...
ask any non-cowboys fan where barbie carpenter is playing and i bet 9 out of 10 can’t answer…bet 5 out of those 10 dont know that he is still in the league
by McLovin9 on Feb 12, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah because he hasn't had a legit shot.....
people forget Carpenter was drafted as insurance in the event Ellis couldn’t make the transistion from a 4-3 DE to a 3-4 OLB…..Carpenter would’ve been the starter if Ellis failed or was traded. It just turned out that Ellis made the transistion and Parcells bounced him around his first two seasons….
by Boyzfan94 on Feb 13, 2009 1:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In the mean time they drafted Spencer
Because they knew immediately that Carpenter was not prepared to play in this defense…Two years of training, and coaching, and they have the same opinion of him….
I hope he somehow comes through this upcoming season….I just don’t see it..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 14, 2009 8:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They drafted Spencer because they moved Carpenter inside.....
Carpenter was a pinball his first 3 seasons..
by Boyzfan94 on Feb 14, 2009 10:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's a pinball period...getting tossed around like a ragdoll no matter where he plays, in or out...
he’s garbage…nuff said
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 14, 2009 1:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Get used to seeing him in 2009 because he is not going anywhere...infact, he has a chance of starting..
by Boyzfan94 on Feb 15, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he has no chance of starting
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 16, 2009 9:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not saying I like Barbie
but that’s a pretty big statement.
by texstar on Feb 16, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not really
He’s been soft since the day he was drafted, I seriously doubt thats going to all of sudden change this season.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 16, 2009 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Barbie turned into a bust but being drafted by one guy for 1 system and then changing system to something he isnt suited for certainly do him any favors.
by squidlo97 on Feb 14, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Your not a bust when you don't get a chance to play......
by Boyzfan94 on Feb 14, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he's had plenty of chances
if he can’t perform well against 2nd and 3rd teamers, he’s going to get destroyed by 1st teamers.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 14, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LMAO...your right about that....for once...
You are not a BUST if you don’t get to play….That is considered a player that can’t play in the NFL….period…
IF you aren’t even good enough to play, then you can’t be labeled a BUST…i guess….good move Barbie..neat trick…
Suck so bad that the staff can’t even trust you enough to put you on the field to evaluate you. This way nobody can consider you a bust or not….Brilliant !!!
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 14, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Has he been injured his entire stay in Dallas?
No? Then he’s had his chances to win a starting spot.
Feb. 18-24 -- NFL Scouting Combine
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Feb 15, 2009 1:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He was injured last season......
but, you guys can have your say on him and I have mine. The fact is, he is not going anywhere so deal with it……You guys should stick with TO, on whether he will be on this team in 2009. Because right now, if all the rumors are true…..Carpenter has a better chance of being on this team than TO..
by Boyzfan94 on Feb 15, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A.J. Hawk
He’s in Green Bay …
Congratulations Bob Hayes
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by Raul Villaronga on Feb 12, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I still think that if Ray leaves Baltimore he will end up with the Jets
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 12, 2009 3:29 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
not with Favre retiring...
they are going to be a mess at QB….
by Boyzfan94 on Feb 12, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it just comes down to how comfortable he is with Rex Ryan's scheme
He’ll go to the Jets, rebuilding or not, if that’s the only comfort zone he has. I honestly believe he’s gonna end up a free agent somehow. I could see Baltimore trying to give him a below market contract with the belief that he doesn’t actually want to leave
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
by BigDinSC on Feb 12, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Old News...
It’s funny that there is are a slew of headlines being circulated on ESPN, SI and others that T.O. is now lobbying for Ray Lewis. The articles by the Baltimore Sun and DMN, however, suggest that T.O. may have acted in an intermediary role LAST OFFSEASON, ie, a year ago.
The media outlets are attempting to commingle the past T.O. outreach innuendo, together with Ray Ray’s recent statements that he may be interested in the Pokes, to feed the rumor mill that Lewis may be coming. I think it’s shameful.
Based on what I’ve read, the inference that T.O. is now actively lobbying for Ray is simply not factual. Nor does it make any sense. Why would T.O. lobby for any player if he believed, as is being widely reported, that he will be released? To save his skin? I don’t think so. This rumor has no legs.
by Boundforbeach on Feb 12, 2009 9:31 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Can someone please tell Deion Sanders that he is not a memeber of the Dallas Cowboys
I am so sick of this guy! He is the biggest hypocrite in the world and I think he is as much of a cancer as TO with respect to team chemistry.
Go hang out on your pontoon boat in Prosper and spare us to death on your tv show!
Please take a hike Deion you no talent a$$ clown!
by WALKERMAN on Feb 12, 2009 10:04 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'd be happier if someone would tell him he's no longer a member of the NFL network...
Man… I remember listening to the NFL game on Thanksgiving night when Deion was in the booth. Brutal, just brutal. He is just terrible. What’s worse is he thinks he has the inside scoop on all things Dallas, Baltimore, and for that matter — McNabb. Ugg. I’d actually rather listen to Dan Dierdorf, something I never thought I’d say…
by Boundforbeach on Feb 12, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
curious ??
Deion you no talent a$$ clown!
He’s one of thee best athletes the NFL has ever seen……
Are you referencing his broadcasting skills or football skills ?
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 12, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am referring to his broadcasting/counseling NFL player skills
by WALKERMAN on Feb 12, 2009 11:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I’ve lost a lot of respect for him this season. Rich Eisen’s been getting all gossipy too, but that’s his job.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 12, 2009 9:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I had a dream
that Dallas cut Owens, Signed Bart Scott, and Traded for Jamal Williams.
i was very sad when i woke up to actuality.
by falconPUNCH on Feb 12, 2009 11:30 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I sure wouldn't want to go up against that D!
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
by BigDinSC on Feb 12, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bart Scott will command at least 7-8 million per season....
Jamal Williams would never get traded, and neither could be afforded with over 10 million in dead cap space preventing any free agent signings..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 12, 2009 11:54 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Jamal Williams is a pipe dream I know....but Scott is worth the 7 or 8 mil for a young starting ILB we need.....
by Boyzfan94 on Feb 12, 2009 1:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He really doesn't impress me that much.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 12, 2009 9:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah and...
He’s kind of getting old.
by AirforceBat on Feb 12, 2009 5:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm talking about Bart Scott not Jamal Williams....
by Boyzfan94 on Feb 14, 2009 12:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And I was responding to
Jamal Williams being a “pipe dream”
by AirforceBat on Feb 15, 2009 9:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Completelty off subject
As many pundits have done- Sporting News has identified one of the Cowboys’ needs to be at the Safety position. For the 2009 Mock Draft they have everyone except for Delmas still available by the time we pick at 20 in the 2nd round. Why then would they have us picking William Moore out of Missouri who they rank at #10 in this Safety class? Here is a desciption of just some of his weaknesses
“Shows stiff hips, and struggles to change directions smoothly, which greatly hinders his ability to get outside in time to help with over-the-top pass coverage from two-deep alignment. Has durability issues”
Is it just me or do these qualities sound kind of like RW1?
by Swirvin on Feb 12, 2009 12:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Damm, I guess they think our drafters are retards.
by squidlo97 on Feb 12, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sporting News is from St Louis and they over-rate MO players
a wild stab in the dark
by AustonianAggie on Feb 12, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But if you play safety and any level of competence in the Big 12
you’re probably ok in pass coverage, most pass happy league I’ve ever seen
by AustonianAggie on Feb 12, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
do you know anything about Darcel McBath from Tx Tech?
According to DC.com Mel Kiper has him rated pretty high.
by texstar on Feb 12, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nah but every so often Tech produces a stud defender
they’re probably due for a stud DB, following on Montrae Regor (DT) and Zach Thomas (LB)
by AustonianAggie on Feb 12, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
McBath is definately a FS to look for if we don't get one in round 2.
I see McBath as an early 4th to late 5th rounder right now…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 14, 2009 9:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I was thinking as well.
Someone to possibly develop. He couldn’t be any worse than Watkins or Davis. The guy can flat out knock you down and he pretty good in coverage. I mean when you go up against Big 12 QB’s that throw 40 to 50 times a game, you do get used in coverage a lot. He does need to put on some weight though.
by texstar on Feb 14, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
screw developement we needed a freaking safety 2 years ago
by squidlo97 on Feb 14, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I meant cut Watkins and get a good safety
with McBath used to develop instead of Watkins. Look what happened to us last year, we ran out of safeties.
by texstar on Feb 14, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I’d like to see them pick up 2 safeties if they don’t get one in FA.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 14, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
William Moore is somewhat a Roy Williams clone, yet I feel he's better than Roy in coverage...
with that in mind, I don’t think Strong Safety should be coveraing anyone deep anyways…From 15 yards in, I don’t see Moore being a hinderence in coverage( waiting on 40 times from combine, needs to be 4.50 or below)..He did intercept 8 balls in ‘07, so it’s not like the guy can’t cover at all…..Patrick Chung ( the next best rated SS ) is not all that in coverage either, Mike Hamlin may be the best of the three SS’s.
We can go FS instead, (Rashad Johnson, Sean Smith, Sherrod Martin) and move Hamlin up closer to the line, but by doing that, i think we are sacrificing some strength, and stoutness at point of attack (Baltimore game). I noticed Hamlin was nowhere near as aggressive this past season, which was alarming. Dropoff in recognition, awareness, tackling as well……were we hoodwinked ?
I’m not done ranking safeties yet, but i’m not convinced any of the SS’s are able to come right in this season and produce enough to warrant cutting Roy. But I do think Delmus, Johnson, Smith, and Martin are as good or better in coverage, than both Roy and Hamlin…so who knows what we’re doing….
I still contend our best option to raise the coverage skills in our deep secondary is to move Henry to FS, and have Hamlin take the SS duties…BUT we still need to draft a Safety OR TWO for the future…..
Until we cut Roy, I have no idea what we’re doing back there…..To be honest, If Roy isn’t cut first day of FA, then this draft takes on a whole new demension for me, and we won’t be drafting a Safety in round 2..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 14, 2009 8:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hamlin cant tackle and you want him to play SS. I also dont think his man to man coverage skills are any better than RW.
by squidlo97 on Feb 14, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you remember he was at his best in Seattle when playing SS.
by Boyzfan94 on Feb 14, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True.
Ham plays pretty well closer to the line.
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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 14, 2009 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I cant say I saw him that much in Seattle. Could he tackle then cause he sure cant now.
by squidlo97 on Feb 14, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
He was bada$$.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 14, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It comes down to his man to man skills against a TE. RW is good closer to the line.
Its in coverage that he blows. RW can tackle better too and I would rather not have him at SS either.
by squidlo97 on Feb 14, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Atogwe
I’ve been a fan of his since before he came out. I’d love for Dallas to sign him.
by no1cowboysfan on Feb 12, 2009 1:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
But St. Louis will resign him, plus they’re going to move some money quickly.
I’d be shocked if Orlando Pace and Torry Holt are still Rams next year. Certainly Holt.
He could very well be an Eagle or Giant next year.
by AirforceBat on Feb 12, 2009 9:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Holt isn't with the Rams next year,
he’ll almost certainly be with the Panthers to play with his brother. He’s said so himself.
by Mandmeisterx on Feb 13, 2009 6:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well.....
If he’s traded its not like he can stop it.
by AirforceBat on Feb 13, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just saw that Corey Chavous
was released by the Rams. Would he be any good to pick up for safety? I don’t know anything about him but he’s available.
by texstar on Feb 13, 2009 3:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1
Unless there’s some stud vet, I’d rather get younger at the S positions.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 14, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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