Why the focus on interior o-line? We need a LT!
Lately when I've read about the Cowboys' projections for drafting an o-lineman, the players are normally interior players or perhaps a RT prospect. To me, that is overlooking a our most pressing need, which might not be slapping us in the face at the moment, but could be dooming our franchise in the near future.
The Cowboys have collected an impressive array of talent at the skill positions: three legit backs, two talented tight ends, and a strong group of WRs surrounding a young QB that has been breaking team passing records. This group screams for a good if not great o-line to allow it to flourish. I was glad to see o-line at the top of the list for the draft, as I think that's the only thing separating this offense from being the best in the league.
However, to me, the biggest need along the o-line is a young left tackle to replace Flozell. Flozell has been engimatic. He's had great years and off ones. He seems like the poster boy of the mental errors and inconsistencies that have plagued the Cowboys. Plus he'll be 34 when the season rolls around coming off a bad year in 2008. Maybe he gives us another 2-3 up and down years, maybe he'll scream to be replaced in 2009.
What do we have to replace him? Doug Free is the only option at this point, a player I liked coming out of college, but has scarcely been seen in two years. If Free was a talent worthy of the LT position, I can't imagine he wouldn't have replaced McQuistan as the swing tackle or even been considered as the LG replacement when Kosier was out. Flozell played guard before he was moved to tackle. While not much has been said about Free, the actions of the Cowboys staff makes me think he's not showing much.
Since most tackles take a year or two to develop, now seems the time to get one before a major hole opens up on the line. The added bonus would be that a good tackle prospect should be able to fill in as a guard if Flozell bounces back with another 2-3 good years. A guy like William Beatty out of Connecticut looks like a great fit (although we'd probably have to move up several spots to get him). He's a great athlete at 6'6" with quick feet, but needs to add some strength. I assume Connecticut's training regimen pales in comparison to the Cowboy's, so I think a year behind Flozell would give him the extra 10-15 lbs of muscle he'd need.
Troy Kropog also looks intriguing, and could probably be had at our spot in the 2nd, if not the 3rd.
While I agree with the needs at FS and NT, a LT is one of the most important positions on the team, and I think we're very close to needing a new one. Outside of the top 15 of the draft, its really hard to find one on short notice. Of the five starters, Flozell is the oldest and performed the worst last year.
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You’re right that there needs to be a replacement plan in place for Flozell—probably not in 2009, but at least someone to push for the job by 2010. I fully expect Flo to rebound nicely this year—his less-than-stellar 2008 can be attributed to injuries and the revolving door that was beside him at LG. Correct the LG troubles and you’ll see Flo as a top-10 tackle for another year or two.
I’m not so quick to write off Doug Free just yet—we haven’t seen anything out of him, but as you said, LT’s take a year or two to develop and we have no reason to think he’s not developing right on schedule. Speculation of poor progress because he didn’t take over the swing-tackle backup spot or at LG is unfounded. Free’s not built like a guard and he’s never played RT, so that’s sufficient reason to keep McQ as the swing tackle. The only cause for concern so far might be that the coaches didn’t use Free to give Flo some time off this year when he had a bum arm—but that’s explainable as well since they were already using replacements at LG so why take a chance when Flo could do a serviceable job.
Free is still the future at LT, until the coaches say differently by drafting another one.
by greatwhitenorth on Feb 12, 2009 1:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure the team would be open to LT but
Finding a G to replace Kosier is the most immediate need, because he’s coming off an injury, is the smallest of their linemen and is nearing the end of his contract.
C takes priority simply because any quality OT ranked high will likely go in the 1st. OTs rise, Cs and Gs drop. Dallas doesn’t have a 1st round pick. You match the talent to the board and C looks like a definite match. Also, name the OL most in need of replacement? Cory Proctor, hands down. We’ve seen him struggle at C in ’07 when Gurode got hurt and at G when Kosier went down.
OT last because Free has not yet proven he’s a bust. He regressed last year but so did all the young OL. Proctor and McQuistan already have three years on their records. Free has two.
So I agree, LT is a need, but not the biggest need. Flozell can still play at a high level when he’s healthy. And Free might find his Houck legs this year. I certainly hope so.
by Rafael Vela on Feb 12, 2009 1:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This is logical
Mack is my target. Guys like Duke Robinson and Jonathan Luigs will drop.
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by 5Blings on Feb 12, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That was my question about LT Raf(Free)
In the preseason his rookie year(and I know it was preseason) he looked like he had fairly quick feet and then he got hurt. I haven’t heard much from him since.
It seems like we have been comfortable with Flo since and not without reason. He’s been good in my opinion and we have just dealt with the false starts because I believe that is the hardest position to fill long term other than QB. Where is the organization re: Doug Free?
by cow_fanatic on Feb 12, 2009 7:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My feeling is that if we don't trade up
and stick with pick #51, we’ll take the highest rated OL, DL, LB or S remaining on the board.
If that player is a tackle, then so be it.
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by Terry on Feb 12, 2009 2:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If Flozell totally crumbles out there I would rather just throw Free into the fire rather than what I think they might do which is moving Davis to LT. That would be horrible.
by connery on Feb 12, 2009 4:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Finally!
Somebody says it. Flo must go! Flo must go!
Just kidding, I’m in no hurry. I just want the Cowboys to realize that they need to develop some quality behind him.
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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 12, 2009 9:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Good point on Free at guard greatwhite...
I was comparing Free to previous young talented tackles we had who slid to guard when the opportunity was there. However, those guys, like Flo and Page, were much thicker than Free, who is more of a Tuinei build. So maybe he is progressing along just fine. Although you’d think if you had a 2nd year guy talented enough to man the LT spot that he’d see some playing time w/ the injuries we had this year. He couldn’t have been worse than Proctor right?
by cowboysuberfan on Feb 12, 2009 9:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Heck, you and I couldn’t have been worse than Proctor. But if you’re developing a young LT, why mess with that by having him play out of position? Guys like Larry Allen and Leonard Davis can play both guard and tackle because they’re huge and play both positions with massive strength. Free isn’t going to be that guy—he’s a Tuinei, like you said—and is going to have to have flawless footwork and technique to make it. So moving him to a power position is just going to slow up the development we’re all hoping for.
by greatwhitenorth on Feb 12, 2009 11:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As for Flo...
I’m not trying to push him out the door, its too hard to find a LT. I can deal w/ the penalties even.
My worry is that he’s always been just barely fast enough to deal w/ speed rushers, and this year he seemed to get beaten around the edge a lot more. I know some of that was the injury, but it happened before and after the injury had healed. Flozell doesn’t have the quickness to lose half a step and still succeed.
At 34, never known for being a workout guy, it might be near the end of the road at LT, although he could probably serve as a RT for a while longer. Could Colombo play guard?
by cowboysuberfan on Feb 12, 2009 9:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Colombo would do whatever to help the team
but he’s too awesome at RT.
Colombo=most underrated Cowboy?
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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 12, 2009 10:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Columbo was definitely Parcell’s best personnel find, right after Ratliff of course.
by greatwhitenorth on Feb 12, 2009 11:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Might not satisfy everyones needs
but Leonard Davis could take his spot if anything happens…If Kosier is healthy Holland can take the RG and LD could service as left tackle giving us time to find the perfect future LT. We have Free but no one really knows how he would do and we have quite a few draft choices to try and find a steal and IMO Flo can do the job for at least one more year. Yea in the probowl Freeney made him look BAD but Freeney gets paid to do that and has been regarded as the best pass rusher in the league and Flo won’t be facing Freeney’s every week.
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 13, 2009 12:25 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Did you see leonard in arizona at tackle?
by rioplayer7 on Feb 13, 2009 4:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
The Oline is only as good as it’s weakest player. I am guessing Big didn’t have a whole lotta help on that line.
Look at Proctor filling in this year. Our Oline stunk it up at times and I place the blame on not having a back up for Kosier
by Mojoness on Feb 13, 2009 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Flozell's poor play this year
correlates to the games when Kosier was out. He was having to make up for how weak Cory Proctor is.
I think this was also true of Andre Gurode. When Kosier was in, he was great. Once Proctor stepped in, not so good any more.
by calebsmith on Feb 13, 2009 12:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That sucks that 2 of our Pro Bowl lineman depend on the guy between them to flourish.
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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 14, 2009 11:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not totally sold on Kosier's absence explaining all of Flozell's poor play
Sure, the plays where a blitzer came free or someone was a step late picking up a twist, I can see how the guard would affect the tackle’s play. But Flozell got beat around the edge a lot this year, I don’t see how the guard has anything to do with those.
by cowboysuberfan on Feb 14, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dont forget that Flo was injured most of the year
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by aussie_cowboy on Feb 14, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope that was the main reason he declined in 2008
He’s never going to be as good as he was in his prime, but if he can stay healthy and just be 3/4 of what he was, I’d be happy.
I don’t see his replacement on the team (unless Free surprises), and it would be an unbelievable stroke of luck if the Cowboys find a guy in the draft who could back him up in 2009.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 15, 2009 2:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He still jumped in the Pro Bowl. Ha ha.
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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 15, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know that it's a pipe dream but wouldn't it be nice
tp pick up Jordan Gross from Carolina and move Flozell over to guard? I know I’m just dreaming.
by texstar on Feb 15, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...
Flo at LG with a bevvy of healthy RBs. I’d do it. Would rather have my big guys in the middle with a more athletic guy outside. It may even prolong Flo’s career. But with him and Bigg between the tackles, I don’t know how Romo’s gonna see over the middle.
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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 15, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I guess we could put some lift in Romo’s shoes.
by texstar on Feb 15, 2009 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Maybe that’s why Gurode hikes those high shotguns, so Romo has to jump up—helps him see over the wall.
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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 15, 2009 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Hey, you’re on a roll today. Seriously, we did move Larry Allen over to guard when we brought in Flo. I know it won’t happen, but Jordan Gross is high on my wish list.
by texstar on Feb 15, 2009 1:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
One other thing that concerns me
about Kosier is that he was never injured before last year. Don’t know if they just pushed him back too soon or if this could be a re-occurring problem. This kind of reminds me of Rivera-never been injured before we signed him and then he got injured. Never was the same after that.
by texstar on Feb 15, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That is a scary thought.
But at least they went out and got Holland. Sure, we didn’t get to see much of him, but what I did see was pretty impressive. Having both Kosier and Holland back healthy will improve the overall talent of the interior line in ’09.
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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 15, 2009 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Holland did a pretty good job in the limited amount of time he was in there. I think the biggest thing that we learned was that we have been pretty bad at developing depth at all of our positions except for RB. Look at the Giants, the year that they won it all, they were subbing all kinds of guys on their OLine and DB’s.
by texstar on Feb 15, 2009 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely
Goes to show how much more effective rookies and young player development is in this league. You’re going to have injuries, no matter what. It’s too expensive and sometimes too heartbreaking to build a team through Free Agency (see recent moves by the Jags, Raiders and the Redskins of years past.)
Good quality depth can be found in each draft, sometimes you will even hit homeruns on Larry Browns, Leon Letts, Jay Ratliffs and Orlando Scandricks—not to mention the production you get from your high picks.
I think that by the Cowboys having to go into the draft every year with just needing to concentrate on a few positions (last year being CB, TE, and RB; this year being Safety, OL,ILB, and NT), Jerry and his staff are learning a great deal about how to scout through focusing on positional upgrades. This year, it will be interesting if they take a QB because I don’t remember them looking too hard at that position since Quincy was taken.
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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 15, 2009 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For this draft, assuming they have nine picks
I say they load up on these positions.
Safety= 2 (I don’t care about Strong or Free, just playmakers)
OL= 2 (1 interior guy and one tackle)
ILB= 1
NT= 1
QB= 1
DE/OLB= 1
WR/KR/PR= 1
Total= 9 new guys
If they get a couple of comp picks, throw in:
1 CB/KR/PR
1 Center
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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 15, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
They made a huge mistake last year by not addressing the QB play. They saw it in training camp but ignored it thinking that they could get by with either Johnson or gambling that Romo wouldn’t get hurt. Either way, very bad decision.
by texstar on Feb 15, 2009 4:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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