Decisions and more decisions for the Cowboys
Update: Here's another possible veteran linebacking option to consider: The Falcons may release long-time LB Keith Brooking later this month. The 33 year old Brooking has been a mainstay on the Falcons D since he was taken 12th overall in the '98 draft but may have overstayed his contract -- he's due to make over $8M this year and is due a $1M roster bonus on February 23rd.
He's no longer the all-around monster who made five consecutive Pro Bowls between 2001 and 2005, but he may still have what it takes to provide a relatively low-cost upgrade over Zach Thomas, should the Cowboys find the free agent ILB talent pool depleted in the next two weeks.
Brooking has played WOLB in the Falcons 4-3 lately, but consider that his two best statistical seasons came in 2002 and 2003, when Wade Phillips ran a 3-4 scheme for Dan Reeves. In those years Brooking played left inside linebacker. Brooking no longer has the wheels to play in space, but he's listed between 240 and 245 lbs., depending on where you look, and may have the smarts and size to provide productive 1st and 2nd down play in Phillips' scheme.
He won't cost as much as Ray Lewis, that's for certain.
-- Rafael Vela
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Ray Ray from Baltimore seems to be all the rage lately. Clarence E. Hill slips into blog mode for an opinion piece on the Cowboys signing Lewis. He says do it. I'm of the opinion that we won't have the opportunity because Baltimore will do everything they can to get their iconic LB locked up before he hits the market. As Raf notes below, the combine is when the Ravens and Ray's people are to meet and try to hammer out a deal. Calvin Watkins reports that T.O. and Deion have pitched signing Ray to Jerry. If you're a ‘Lewis to Dallas' fan, keep your eyes on the combine next week to see how the negotiations go.
Make the jump for hi-jinks around trading T.O., questions about the trade for RW2 and the issues on tendering Miles Austin and Stephen Bowen.
The Internet is a fun place. A couple of days ago Mike Lombardi posted his opinion that Dallas was going to release or trade T.O. He even went as far as to speculate about a possible trade partner, the Raiders. Now, thanks to the magic of the Internet, it's become a ‘rumor'. The USA Today blog, some other website, a Raiders blog, and even Yahoo Sports, all make reference to a "rumored" T.O. to the Raiders deal.
We've even got a Raider beat writer answering questions about it.
It's all conjecture, but Raiders beat write Steve Corkran of the Contra Costa Times said in a chat Tuesday it's possible:
"Terrell Owens has Raider written all over him, and Al Davis is the kind of owner who would allow Owens to be the person he is as long as he produces in games."
It's even spilled over to the Bears.
Congrats Mike Lombardi. You casually speculated on a trade for T.O. and didn't even try to disguise it as anything more than a thought from your own head, and it's now becoming a ‘rumor' on the Internet. Rock on.

For pro-T.O. guys, Yahoo Sports writer Charles Robinson makes the case.
Will Terrell Owens be a Cowboy during the '09 season?
Considering the amount of time everyone in the franchise will have to get a grip, he'll likely be back. Here is why: The team will have until June to make its decision, because Owens isn't due his $3.1 million roster bonus until that point. That's plenty of time for owner Jerry Jones and coach Wade Phillips to mend fences, and come to realize that the offense is still at its best with Owens on the roster. Perhaps if wideout Roy Williams had factored in more down the stretch last season, the thought process would be different. But Dallas will look at the books and realize that with only $10 million in salary cap space, cutting Owens would actually cost them $680,000, which is a double negative - removing a talented (albeit corrosive) player, and costing the franchise additional cap room that could provide it a little extra depth.
Only one problem with that line of reasoning - the Cowboys can technically wait until June to make a decision but in reality that decision has to come much sooner. They need to know what they're doing by the draft. Before free agency kicks off would be ideal. If you're going to keep him or move him, you should know before you work your whole offseason personnel program.
T.O. will be participating in the NBA All-Star weekend celebrity game.

No matter what happens with T.O. in the offseason, the Cowboys have another WR drawing attention. Basically, RW2 cost the Cowboys a first and a third-round draft pick. His play from just half of the season certainly didn't warrant that kind of bounty. But the decision on whether the Cowboys did the right thing long-term won't be decided until we've gone a few years with RW2 integrated into the team. But Mike Mayock offers up his opinion via the DMN blog.
"Roy Williams is a pretty good football player,'' Mayock said in a conference call. "To think you're going to get a guy who can be as productive as him [with the 20th overall pick], that's a little bit of a leap of faith. [Michael] Crabtree and [Jeremy] Maclin are going to be gone. [Darrius] Heyward-Bay is probably gone, too. Percy Harvin maybe, but he reminds me more of Reggie Bush than a traditional receiver.
"That's the long way of saying I think they're pretty good with Roy Williams.''
The DMN blogs notes that Eddie Royal, DeSean Jackson and Donny Avery were all second round picks at WR from last year that look to be pretty good choices.

Miles Austin is a RFA that I'm sure Dallas wants to keep. Todd Archer suggests a second-round tender from the ‘Boys.
Because Austin was not drafted, he would be a prime target among teams if the Cowboys offer him the original tender, worth $1.010 million. A team would not have to give up any compensation to get him. But with the second round tender ($1.545 million) teams would not be so willing to give up that high of a pick.
The other question mark that Archer raises is Stephen Bowen. He's also an undrafted RFA. He could spark interest from other teams. Chris Canty's uncertain future in Dallas raises the question of tendering Bowen at the second round level, too.
What do you think?
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Getting More out of Role Players
Tex has a suggestion… the Cowboys need to use Isaiah Stanback like the Browns use Joshua Cribbs – reverses, returns, and as a Wild Cat Quarterback. Wade Phillips has done a poor job of maximizing the contributions of so-called Role Players.
Defining and developing roles for players like Isaiah would go along way to creating that sense of team.
+10
He cannot not even make it thorugh pre-season healthy.
You cannot depend on someone who has been hurt every year he has been in the NFL.
by oneforthethumb on Feb 12, 2009 9:51 PM CST up reply actions
How bout depending on Williams and Austin , Boyz ???
both are more injury prone than Stanback….yet you continue to bash Stanback…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 12, 2009 10:38 PM CST up reply actions
Stanbach is a project at best....at least Austin is not....
Stanbach will be nothing more than wasted pick……He is going to be the type of player if he is not injured, he will be inactive most weeks……I would rather have a true speedy rookie to groom for the slot.
Played 3 years in college as a WR unlike Stanback.....
Not a project…..just a little raw coming from a small college
no, Austin was a project
He played at a division I-AA school, he was extremely raw which is why he wasn’t drafted.
In Romo we Trust
You just named three HOFers
Not a fair comparison unless I misunderstood the debate
I don't think you can call someone a project
just because they came from a 1-AA school. It s based more on their raw athletic abilities . IMO it has nothing to do with the division of the school.
Cliff Harris and Wilbur Montgomery
both came from small schools as well.
I disagree
Kids at that level have to make a bigger transition to the next level than div 1-A players.
In Romo we Trust
A guy that weighs 6'4" 250lbs for USC is no different from a guy with similiar physique for Northern Colorado.
You either can play or you can’t…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 14, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
true
but div 1-A programs prepare you better for the next level and therefore the transition is easier for the div 1-A kids.
In Romo we Trust
No
but if you end up being a HOFer from a 1-AA school you were never a project and you’re comparing their stories to Myles, it’s unfair
Are you talking to me?
I was responding to Terry for his comment that Austin was a project because he came out of a 1-AA school. I was saying that the size of their school has nothing to do with being a project. It’s more their athletic abilities.
He was a 2nd round pick
So obviously he had talent.
Austin was a rookie free agent. Big difference.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 15, 2009 2:18 AM CST up reply actions
It was for 2 of the 3 seasons Randy Moss played there
His final year there was their first year as 1-A
His sophomore year they won the 1-AA National Championship.
Wasn't Moss offered scholarship by both Ntore Dame and Florida State tht were withdrawn due to his legal problems? I think he may have attended one or the other school briefly
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
Did not attend Notre Dame
They withdrew their scholarship offer when he was arrested his senior year. He then attended FSU for 1 year as a redshirt, and got let go when he violated his probation. Bobby Bowden said that he was by far the most talented player he ever coached.
I know quite a bit about the whole situation. I’ve followed Moss since his sophomore year of high school.
I thought so
So to describe Moss as a I-AA project is a stretch
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
then you should know
players from that school just can’t come in the NFL right away and make an impact, too big of a jump in level of play
In Romo we Trust
Its called raw talent.....
Austin was a freak a Monmouth….You could tell he was really talented and belonged in a better program than Monmouth University. For whatever reason he didn’t…..I’ll tell you what, if he had a chance at going to OSU, or Florida State he would’ve been drafted. I didn’t get a chance to play with Austin because he is younger than me, but I went to a lot of the games and a co-worker played with him for two seasons. He told me that Austin was a man amongst boys on that team…..
I think its obvious
that div 1-A programs prepare players better for the NFL than lower level programs and obviously the competition they face isn’t as good.
In Romo we Trust
Disagree
True, that the majority of players do come from 1-A programs and are generally better but Gil Brandt was notorious for getting players from schools that you never heard of like Oachita Baptist (Cliff Harris). Ever heard of Phil Simms? (Morehouse)
What????
Of course it matters what kind of competition you face at the college level.
This entire argument is really crazy.
Every so often the scouts find talent at these small schools. No one is disputing that. But to say the level of competition doesn’t matter is out of left field.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 15, 2009 2:23 AM CST up reply actions
For every talented player from small schools that are found 'every so often'
I can name 10 Ki-Jana Carters and Blair Thomas’s.
Yeah, that's to be expected.
That’s because the majority of picks are from big schools.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 15, 2009 3:03 AM CST up reply actions
+1 Terry....Austin was borderline roster material his first two seasons...and lucky he was kept over players like Jeremy Urbin...
Stanback has much more upside coming out….and HE was a WR at the beginning of his college career….I don’t even know why I argue this….Stanback is a LOCK to make the ’09 roster….write it down..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 13, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
and Austin is not a lock to be injured ?? Why would his luck change, and not Stanbacks ?
explain your reasoning please ?
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 14, 2009 12:56 AM CST up reply actions
Alot more production from Austin than Stanback
He plays WR and was/is our best kickoff returner….chances of Austin getting hurt are increased. That’s why I give Austin a pass. Stanback is mainly inactive and when he plays, he get’s injured. That’s the truth. If he can’t hold up for the limited playing time he is given than that my friend is either, very unlucky or he has a future of being injured. Right now he has a pattern of being injury prone. Not good for a player trying to make the transistion from QB to WR. He really needed to be a PS player to develop, but I understand the reasons why he wasn’t. I hated this pick and thought it should’ve been used on the OL or DL. I say one more season and he is cut….
The problem is that Stanback is not as good as Cribbs
That’s a great theory, but Stanback’s got a long way to go before he can be Cribbs. Cribbs is the NFL’s best overall special teamer. He is a far superior return man to Stanback (has been in the top 3 in kickoff return average the last 3 years). As for the Wild Cat, they’ve used Cribbs in it, but not to any great results. Ronnie Brown is a singular player— the Wild Cat does not work for everyone.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Nice Suggestion and not a bad idea
but I’d much rather see “The Cat” in “The Cat.”
Let T.O. Go!
by Captain Comeback on Feb 12, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
That's actually
one of your better ideas, even if it’s not the wild cat.
Maybe use it for some trickery.
Why should the 'Boys use the Wildcat?
I think the offense has enough talent without trying to use some gimmick with Stanback.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 13, 2009 9:53 PM CST up reply actions
Its always rare...
But I couldnt agree more with you Tex. ALothough I would speculate that you are not a pro-TO guy.. So if we were to cut TO (bad idea!!) we would abosolutely need to put a second round tender on Austin. I hope that Stanback can stay on the field for a couple more games this year and if thats the case, I think he will contribute greatly to the success of the cowboys.
A Cowboy fan from Dallas residing in enemy terretory since 1990..
Crayton was a college QB
they have plenty of wild cat options.
I’d like to see Stanback focus on becoming a solid receiver before I cluttered his head with wild cat stuff.
I’m wondering if Wildcat is going to be so effective this year? Teams were shutting it down late and now DCs will have a full offseason to work on it.
Lets run the single wing!
No one expects something so ancient!
by AustonianAggie on Feb 12, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
I think they have been wanting more out of Stanbach but he just hasnt stayed healthy
Everyone is enamored with the Wildcat but I think I would like to do like the Ravens and experiment with bringing in 2 extra tackles. I like the idea of beat down a D. I like smashing other teams in the mouth.
The wild cat is a bit of trickery and the more that other teams tried it, the more other Ds prepared and the less effective it became. It had way more success the first time around.
The 2 extra tackles isnt about trickery its about mano to mano, smash mouth ball. We have a big line and big backups. Dline usually have big guys for some plays and speed guys for other plays. They also need more rest and alternate more. This forces all of their Dline to play and gets a few more matchups that favor us. Use this formation 10 times a game and wear n tear can only help us late in games. I want more power to our game and I want to changed the mentality of our Olines mindset.
i agree squid...unfortunately we're lacking in the OL depth
I’d love to see Felix doing a GB sweep behind 2 pulling guards in a 7 man front……student body left to paydirt…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 12, 2009 9:30 PM CST up reply actions
Subtraction... Addition's Tricky Friend
Many people are invoking the “addition by subtraction” cliche in defining the debate about T.O.‘s possible removal from the team. But what does this really mean? Start with subtraction. Releasing T.O. likely means less drama. I don’t know if he quite qualifies as a malcontent, but he is, unfairly or not, a constant media and therefore team distraction. Addition, in this context, is simply the converse, ie, that we’re (hopefully) improving team chemistry. At the end of the day, is this really why we’re releasing him?
T.O.‘s an undisputable headcase. No one can argue this. But to release him, we take a monster cap hit and lose real talent. Not potential talent, but on the field. Jerry’s gotta do what Jerry’s gotta do. If that means releasing him, fine. But before we go that route, we better have a darn good plan to fill his shoes, or there will never be addition by subtraction.
What’s that mean again?
In theory, Romo will be able to spread the ball around more and without discretion over whether or not T.O. has filled his quota for targets.
But the counter argument there is the passing game sputtered bad enough this season with these same guys in the lineup AND T.O. taking up two defenders much of the time. If these same players couldn’t make plays with T.O.‘s presence getting them very favorable matchups, how will the passing game possibly fare any better once he’s gone?
Other crucial questions to ask include how badly was the passing offense hampered by things like Roy Williams’ gimp toe and Cory “street sweeper” Proctor getting pushed back into the pocket on every pass play and other no good lazy lardos like Flozell the overpriced Hotel and Leonard Davis regressing as well?
One major point I’d like to see pointed out more about Williams is that maybe he is just plain injury prone and even if he is a competent lead receiver, if he can’t stay healthy what good is he?
i think Stanback was a wasted pick.
and i hate to admit it. i’ve been watching his progress, wating for him to flash brilliance.
i live in socal, and so much of him in pac 10 games. so, i know his talents
i originally liked the gamble on him. but, he has yet to do anything.
the guy is not even an average kick returner. he’s bad.
I've seen him do some amazing cuts a few times
Enough to keep him for a 3rd year, certainly. He’s not one of those guys you look at imeaditely an know he can’t do it
by AustonianAggie on Feb 12, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
on the bright side of things...
at least we didnt do it with a first rd pick (i.e. Jacksonville – Matt Jones)
i’m giving this ‘glass half-full’ approach a try…..
Stanback
gets another year to earn his spurs.
What do prospect mean?
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
Err
What do project mean?
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
?????????? huh ??????????
He’s a phenominal athlete, and was drafted injured, therefor making his rookie season a wash….THIS past season was his rookie season, and was off to a great start, a few receptions, a 44 yard KO return, then he got crushed in the same shoulder as the previous year……….you don’t give up on a 24 year old athlete that showed quite a few glimpses of excellence……..
show a little patience for pete’s sake…….
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 12, 2009 9:34 PM CST up reply actions
+1
Well said.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 15, 2009 2:25 AM CST up reply actions
Some good discussion points....
Austin: We debated what level tender he likely would need maybe a couple of months ago. I thought it was on this blog, but perhaps it was pre-merger.
We bascially came to the conclusion that, if we are counting on Austin, we need to put a first round tender on him. Teams like Miami, New England, etc. would be happy to send pick #60 or whatever our way to get a big, fast receiver, who had supplanted Crayton on the depth chart. Putting a mere 2nd round tender on him is no guarantee of keeping him. Remember, NE stole Welker from Miami when the Fins tried to sneak him through on a 2nd round tender. Theres a darn good chance we don’t keep Austin with a mere 2nd.
For an incremental ~$600K, increase the tender to 1st rounder. Its doubtful a team would part with a 1st for him. Why risk a guy who’s the likely starter if/when TO departs for a mere $600K?
Isaiah Stanback: Why, oh why do so many people want to run him off? The guy was drafted as a developmental project. Receivers typically take 3 years to develop, even those who played the position in college. Lest anyone forget, he was a college QB. So he’s having to learn the position from scratch. Austin made the jump from barely on the roster to WR3 between his 2nd and 3rd seasons. Stanback is coming into his 3rd year. When he was drafted, there was little expectation for him to produce during his first couple of seasons..
The fact that he’s been injured is largely irrelevant. It has probably slowed his development. But in terms of meeting production expectations in his first 2 years, its really nothing different than the guy being inactive for 17 weeks. Again, he was drafted with the idea that 3-4 years later he’d be a player. There’s nothing that we’ve seen to change that thought.
By many accounts, he’s the most physically gifted WR on the roster, inclusive of TO. Give the guy at least 3 years to develop. Just like any other WR. Maybe even argue for a 4th year. Running him off now would just be moronic. They’ve invested 2 years into him. Give the guy a realistic chance before you send him packing. He hasnt had a realistic chance yet.
great post
We should give Austin a first rd tender, he’s far too talented to give up for just a second rd pick.
You’re right about Stanback, the team needs to be patient with him. Like Austin, is a freakish athlete whose best days are ahead of him.
In Romo we Trust
I'm surprised at how quickly and how hard people are to slam 4th round picks
Skyler Green was a bust. No question about that. And he was a risky pick.
But,
Bradie James didn’t get it until his 3rd year.
Stanback, as you’ve pointed out, is entering his 3rd season. For what it’s worth, EVERY WR I talked to at camp this year was envious of his talent. Crayton, Hurd, Ray Sherman, T.O., all of them said that guy had the tools to be special if he got the technique side of the game down.
Miles Austin finally started to make his move in year three. Let’s wait until at least October before we consider throwing Stanback out with the trash. What’s the risk of keeping him? None that I see.
Brady James...
actually didnt do anything until his 4th season. I was annoyed that Parcells’ first LB pick was a bust. Guess it took him a touch longer than others.
well said Raf
I always thought it was obvious Stanback was a special athlete and talent, I guess a lot of fans are just extremely impatient or can’t recognize talent that well.
In Romo we Trust
I just wonder
if they had to use a 4th on Stanback. He seems like a guy who may have still been around at 6 or 7. Especially when OL depth and safety have been issues for some time.
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 12, 2009 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
+1 Terry....the guy was drafted with the understanding it was going to take several 3+ years to develope
Lucky our personel dept. doesn’t have the inpatience of some fans..
He was injured when we got him….automatically wipes out year one…..year two, he was looking great in preseason, and caught a bad break….I still contend he’ll be our #1 WR in a few years..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 12, 2009 9:52 PM CST up reply actions
In all seriousness...
All of this WR talk has me concerned. I’m assuming TO’s gone. When we picked up RW2 mid-season, everyone seemed to think we had one of the best WR corps in the league. Is this now a position of serious concern? RW2 didn’t do much last year. Yes, he was injured. Yes, it was a new system. Yes, Romo was preoccupied with keeping TO happy. Yes, he should be (in theory) much better this year. But are Crayton and the others capable of stepping up and filling the void? I really hope so. Or do we plan on adding another WR? I just have not heard of much planning sans TO.
by Boundforbeach on Feb 12, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
Felix
can catch a few as well.
We seem to be loaded with good backs, might as well use them.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
I think TO will be here. I still would rather run the ball 40 times and pass it 19 a game
by AustonianAggie on Feb 12, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
If we run the ball that much...
then it’s probably late in the game and we’re up by double digits. But I don’t think you can game plan numbers. Start the game with a good mix of run and pass, and go from there. Balance is the key.
by Boundforbeach on Feb 12, 2009 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know, I do know coaches work with statistical goals
Like averaging 24.3 points a game, giving up 15.1… stuff like that.
by AustonianAggie on Feb 12, 2009 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
I don't mind running...
if it’s effective. There were times when the running game was very ineffective, often getting 1-2 yards.
the goal should be 40 rushing plays...no matter what..
we averaged 34 passing plays, and around 27-29 rushing plays last year….we flip those numbers around, and we have more success…more clock, less turnovers, more rested defense…..trickles down……..running is better…..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 12, 2009 10:04 PM CST up reply actions
Sometimes unrealistic expectations are assigned to 4th rounders
Perhaps this is a holdover from the days when the 4th round started day 2 thus giving teams time to regroup after day 1 and take a hard look at who was left after rounds 1-3. There were always some gems, but certainly no guarantees (as it goes with the three rounds above).
Dallas has enjoyed some success with 4th rounders which likely puts some high expectations on the next 4th round crop. You’re still talking a mid-round pick though, who may or may not pan out. It almost seems like some want the 4th rounder to be a hit while they’re willing to write off a 2nd or 3rd who doesn’t quite succeed.
It still hurts too much to slam 1st round busts.
Thong, Spears, and Carp, are busts.
I don't see how Williams and Spears are busts
Carp, yea.
Williams has been a good player. Sure not what he could have been, but a good player and multiple Pro Bowler. Spears has been solid at DE for us. People get too caught up in sacks for Spears. We don’t play a 4-3. DE’s don’t get as many sacks in the 3-4.
Carp, well…yea.
yeahhhhh
Just because you make the probowl doesn’t always mean that much.
If you’re picked in the top 10 you’re expected to be a franchise player, and obviously Williams isn’t.
Spears isn’t. He’s not great, but he’s become a very good 3-4 end this year I thought.
by AirforceBat on Feb 13, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
Since when are safeties franchise players?
Ed Reed only comes along once in a lifetime, and he’s far from their ‘franchise player’.
Dallas had Daren Woodson and Cliff Harris in my lifetime, and neither was far behind Ed Reed, if at all
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
Williams was....
SUPER HYPED, coming out of college.
I mean in college he had a highlight reel of destroying people with hits.
Dallas had nothing going for them when he was selected, he was going to be the guy they were going to build around.
I’d take a wild bet that in 2003 there were probably more fans with Roy Williams jersey’s than any other player on that roster.
For a top 10 pick, he is a bust. You don’t draft people in the top 10 expecting them to be good players, your expecting franchise guys.
oh, btw The 2003 Dallas Cowboys led the NFL in Total Defense with rookie Roy Williams back there..
Kinda puts a damper on your entire statement.
explain that ?
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 14, 2009 1:00 AM CST up reply actions
That about sums it up.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 15, 2009 2:26 AM CST up reply actions
Actualy, both were franchise players, if defined as among thebest to play their position
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
The difference with Stanbach is he had very little experience playing the position out of college.....
If he was a true WR coming out, but a little green, I could live taking the time to groom him. At this point he has showed very little progress of becoming a effective WR and is injury prone. At his pace he will be stuck as the 4th or 5th WR on the depth chart for years and rarely be active on the game day roster…..I would rather us draft a WR to be the 3rd or 4th round WR….
I'm very confused
If a 2nd round WR and a 4th round QB (Stanback) had both been drafted,
and both had the same production after two years, you would cut the less
experienced guy?
I wouldn’t cut either one of them, but if I had to choose, I would cut the more experienced guy because he should be farther along.
So I'm assuming in this case it would be Stanback?
I’ll give him one more year, but I’m not sure it will matter much. He is still going to be inactive most weeks. I would rather roll with a 3rd or 4th round speedster to develop as the 3rd WR on this team. We need a small fast guy like Deshawn Jackson to play the slot.
You want to develope a rookie as a 3rd WR ?? heck, what's that going to make Austin, 4th or 5th option ??
Austin will be battling it out with a seasoned veteran (Crayton) with mega starting experience for the 3rd spot as it is, and you want to decrease Austin’s chances by selecting a high-mid round speedster to take his spot ?
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 13, 2009 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
Why is that. A second round tender seems like it should do the trick.
And if you are like me and think TOs day are number, I just cant imagine them letting him get away.
LOL...get your players straight !!!...LMAO...your all confused now ??
Where did I mention Stanback in my last comment ? Your comment was in reference to drafting a rookie WR , right ?
OK, You were talking about drafting a rookie speedster to play the slot-3rd WR position.
IF that’s your intention, where would Austin and Crayton fit into your plans ? 4th or 5th WR ?
1) TO
2) Roy Williams
3) rookie slot speedster
OK, I assume you think Austin is going to beat out Crayton for that 4th WR spot.
4) Austin
5) Crayton
6) Stanback
If that’s how you see it…I’m cool with that..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 14, 2009 1:08 AM CST up reply actions
kinda... sorta....
look at it this way…..assuming TO is on this team this season…
1)TO
2)RW
3)Austin….he beats out Crayton in camp..no question about it..He was on his way, remember before getting injured.
4)Crayton …….maybe the rookie beats out Crayton…who knows, probably not….2010?
If TO is not on this team in 2009
1)RW
2)Austin
3)Crayton
4) Rookie or FA
I would like a rookie speedster to be drafted this year, but the chances of him being the #3 on this team in 2009 with or without TO are slim. I would give him a year to develop and in 2010 when TO and maybe Crayton are not here the rookie can slide into the #3 spot.
I think a WR will be drafted in the 3rd or 4th round this year.
How long has Austin been on the roster ?? How many starts ?? Heck, How many games has he even seen action ??
3 years, no starts, half dozen on field experiences in 3 seasons ?…Yet Stanback is supposed to pull it off in one season ???
no sense at all……your way off thinking means Carpenter, Free, Hatcher, Watkins, Brown, Ball, McQuistan, Curtis, and Spencer all should be cut as well….
Heck, Austin has only suited up for 37 of 48 games, and didn’t even catch his first pass till deep into his second season. I expect more productivity from our supposed WR of the future (who had supposedly 4 years of college receiving experience)
Austin’s first two seasons, 5 receptions…Stanback first two seasons 2 receptions
Do we see any difference ?
Austin’s third season, 13 receptions….Stanback gets more than 13 receptions next season, then what are you going to say ??
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 13, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
A blind man can see Austin has more upside than Stanback at this point....
Who would actually keep Stanback over Austin right now…..really…c’mon…
In response to the blind man --> Boyz <----
Who would actually keep Stanback over Austin right now…..really…c’mon…
Once again, oh blind man of limited attention span,
Where in this entire discussion, was there a suggestion that there will be a decision made of which WR’s between Austin and Stanback are we keeping ??
If your refering to who is more NFL ready to take more steps on the field, then I imagine you would have to take into consideration that Austin is going into his FOURTH season, and IF he doesn’t get on the field and produce, then you would have to really consider him a failure, and another Randal Williams type talent that went by the way side….
Seeing that Stanbacks rookie season was essentially a “red shirt” season, being that he was drafted shortly after foot surgury, and had no implications that he was even going to be used in any way, shape or form, You can argue this past season was basically his rookie season. right ? or are you going to argue that into the dirt, out of shere sake of being an abrasive blogger ? OK,,,I’m assuming all logical readers would agree that this past season was essentially Stanbacks first season. OK…
Stanback did take over the starting Kick Off Return duties from Austin in his first year , right ????
He had several near misses that could’ve gone all the way..He did have a 44 yarder returned due to Barbie Carps penalty away from the play. He did record a 60 yarder during the season, He did catch, escort, and fly by Felix Jones on his return, right ? He did show quite a bit in pre season, versatility with end arounds, quite a few grabs in traffic, and showed great toughness overall…well on his way to making an impact during the season…then boom…he gets nailed on the same shoulder that kept him out his “red shirt” season….what’s he do ?? goes to the trainer, wraps it up, and goes back to battle…Why ?? cuz YOUR/MY/OUR boy Austin decides to tweak a hammy, then groin.AGAIN with the nagging injuries…Fragile much ?
Stanback comes in and collects 2 nice, nifty grabs in his first action at WR….Something Austin can’t say in his first season on the active roster…Of course he’s catching these balls with his shoulder strapped up, and shot up with pain killers…still, Where’s Austin ??
Weeks later, Austin decides to come out of the trainers room to see what the sun looks like….catches a few balls against 3rd-4th CB’s and nickle safeties, and all of a sudden he’s the second coming of Randy Moss ?? ok, cool…I’d love for that to happen….but no.. no no…what happens ?? I don’t know…Austin go down again ?? 13 reception all year ??? in your third season in the offense ?? Aren’t we expecting more than 13 receptions from our future #2 WR ? Wasn’t Crayton a QB coming out of college, with absolutely no WR experience
What did he do in his third season ??? By Crayton’s 3rd season, he was playing in all 16 games, starting 7 of them, chipping in with 36 receptions for 516 yards, and 4 TD’s ….
So, In essence, A QB(Crayton) that never played 4 years of WR(Austin) in college, came to the same team, with very similiar circumstances, and by his third season was already starting at WR, and put up 23 more receptions, and 238 yards more than our boy Miles Austin did in his third year. Care to explain that for us ? How can that be ? How can a college QB with no deep speed at all, outperform our highly experienced savior of the future at WR ? How can Crayton, the college QB, with one training camp fresh under his belt, and only being active for 8 games, put up 12 receptions in his rookie season, when our seasoned veteran WR Austin produces only 13 in his 3rd year ??
Care to explain the phenominal transformation of Crayton the college QB to WR, and how a much superior athlete like Stanback should be cut, and hasn’t shown anything in his little amount of time to warrant him a roster spot again ??
I lost you somewhere……
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 14, 2009 2:01 AM CST up reply actions
Crayton
played 3 years of receiver in college
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 14, 2009 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
Step off the train my man.....Stanback is going to be nothing more than a Skyler Green in the end and a wasted pick
Green and Stanback
Was it necessary to draft them that high? That is my issue with Stanback.
Green looked like a bum from day one. That really shook my faith in the Tuna.
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 14, 2009 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
Really hope we keep Austin
He certainly shows the potential to be a consistent playmaker, we’re thin at the position, and he’s relatively early in his career (considering where he was drafted and the position he plays, WR, which is a slow-developing one). I’d hate to see him become a star somewhere else like Antonio Bryant (although Bryant’s case was different, of course).
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
excellent post Ridge....
finally, something that actually grasps my attention……good work..
I actually agree with everything you wrote about Miles, as in , IF he’s supposedly going to fill TO’s shoes, they better be damn sure they don’t lose him. Is he worth the highest tender ? I don’t think so, but you have to play it safe I guess. I’m all for giving Miles 2.6 million for one year. If he doesn’t live up to his contract,he’s gone after the season…
Wes Welker was already a starter, and proved himself in the league before coming into RFA…so there was quite a body of work to determine he was worthy of a 2nd rounder…Miles has not exactly been on the field long enough to have GM jamming in film study…..
Stanback gets two more years to prove himself….He’s already won me over, if he can remain healthy, I see him being on the field quite in the upcoming years…He takes Craytons spot this season…you watch..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 12, 2009 9:47 PM CST up reply actions
just a stupid thing but I really prefer RW11
instead of RW2 to refer to RW the WR. RW1 might not even be here next year, but RW11 will always be RW11, and it has the benefit of looking like RWII…
You sound like Yogi Berra...
in an AFLAC commercial
by Boundforbeach on Feb 12, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
That Tech FS is interesting, Darcel McBath
2 time Big 12 second teamer, 1 time 1st teamer; so he can play, and no one has brought him up yet.
All Big 12
Did any Big 12 D stop any other Big 12 team? Who are the other Big 12 Safeties? Is McBath better than Nic Harris? That’s not fair, Harris is a slowwwww SS. So McBath is better than Lendy Holmes? To be fair lets watch sprint, shuttle and jumb next week. Unless McBath burns sub 4.4 he sould be availabe late second day.
I watched Tech's last three games q
and never saw their safeties make a play once.
I saw them get beat a lot. Urban Meyer was right. They played a lot of touch football
in the Big 12 this year.
lol...Big 12 is a joke as far as defense goes...
Meyer was right on the money…
Go Gators :-)
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 12, 2009 10:09 PM CST up reply actions
McBath
McBath is arguably the best all-around athlete among the safety prospects. He has the package that NFL teams are looking for. One concern is a thin-looking lower body, especially because of how physical the game has become in the last decade. McBath won’t likely be drafted as highly as he�s rated here, but a combination of solid athleticism, toughness and coverage skills projects him to be a productive starting safety in any NFL defensive scheme.
Do all of the TO supporters realize that sooner or later Roy Williams will be the #1 receiver on this team,and Miles Austin will most likely be the 2? So even if we keep TO this year what happens when he does leave (which will be this time next season at the latest)? Will the sky come crashing down? Of course many will say that we could bring another receiver in to be the 1. No, we won’t. That’s why Roy was brought in.
sooner or later Romo will be on the scrap heap as well.WTF? Roy has never show the ability to be a no.! why would you assume that . I'd go as far to say he has shown himself to be nothing of the sort.
Everywhere this kid has played hes had complimentary receivers that overshadowed him. He is a big mouthed Alvin Harper without the rings or wins. Not only that his record of causing headaches is well known. I hope to god i am wrong about this but the body of work would suggest otherwise. Yes TO will probably be gone after this year. I am sure we will address the issue when it becomes one. this is another reason why i’d put money on the fact that he will be with us for atleast one morw year. he costs 9 mill against the cap any way. Do you geniuses genuinely beleive we will take a huge cap hit and also create a gaping hole in our receiving corp.
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
Would you guys quit worrying about the cap hit.
Its only a problem if its early in the contract and it accellerates the signing bonus. TOs cap hit is basically the same. The problem with him is the team loses focus, is out of sync and he corrupts young players. Money is the same, our locker room needs to be fixed. That is a problem I have heard 95% of the people on here bitch about. We will probably struggle early in the season but finish strong. Ive watched us do that in the opposite direction for 9 years Im ready to try finishing strong in the end. TO is a great player and a great guy when things are great. Throw in some struggles and turmoil and he is pointing fingers and complaining. That attitude will never produce a winner.
Yep
I agree with squidlo97.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
he's signed through 2010 guy.....
And I’m praying for Austin and Stanback to step it up this season, THEN TO could hand over the reigns and go out on his terms….Roy Williams is not a #1…he’s a solid #2……..I hope that Austin or Stanback can develope at least to Roy’s comparability….cuz none of these guys will sniff TO type of numbers…
In fact, with all this TO nonsense going on, I had to throw thee ole WR scouting cap back on, and have come to the conclusion we need to draft a WR in this draft to futher add fuel to the fire that TO will be cut before June….
I was the biggest advocate for us selecting DeSean Jackson….fought day and night to get followers…nobody jumped on my hype wagon….shame shame…he’s what we needed, and could’ve had him..
This year i’m going more low key, and I’ll slip in my second day gem….if he lasts that long….combine and workouts will have him broad jumping up the charts…..Ramses Barden is going to be the next Brandon Marshall/ Vincent Jackson in this league……..IFFFFFFFFF TO is released prior to the draft…This is the guy I want…Should be there with our 2nd rounder, maybe late 1st come April 20th….follow this guy…he’s the next big thing….
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 12, 2009 10:25 PM CST up reply actions
You think he's gonna go that high?
I like him but see dropping to the 3rd or 4th.
by Rafael Vela on Feb 12, 2009 11:20 PM CST up reply actions
Raf...you gotta see this guy...he's got nearly 11" hands, catches balls with one hand like it's a tennis ball.
I do realize he may go 3rd only because nobody puts much merit into programs like Cal Poly.(example Courtney Brown), but I doubt after the combines and individual workouts he’ll ever reach the 4th round….He’s got outstanding receiving skills, size, body control, verticle, strength, and toughness to work the middle zones and a major weapon in the endzone…I just know he will succeed in the NFL….6’6" 228lbs with outstanding hands is hard to come by these days ( I believe he’ll be as good or better than very comparable Brandon Marshall-Denver, or Vincent Jackson-San Diego ) Jackson (Northern Colorado) went in late round 2, #61 overall, and Marshall (Univ. Central Florida) was a steal in round 4, at #119 overall. I’m pretty sure teams are a bit more savvy now to the big, physical Wide Outs coming from relatively small football programs, and won’t let Barden slip through the cracks…He’s as good or better than Marshall & Jackson IMO…. ….
EVERYTHING comes down to his 40 times, cuz he runs so effortlessly, it doesn’t appear like he’s running fast, and at his size, i imagine he doesn’t get out of cuts as quickly as most, with both speed and quickness playing a role in seperation at the next level, but he comes down with the ball regardless if he’s completely covered or not…imagine 6’6" going against a 5’10" CB ???…tough matchup…for sure…..
If he runs in the 4.5 area, I have no doubt teams are going to jump all over him…as early as late first round…NYG ? maybe..but no later than the third round.
I know we’re not going WR early, so I don’t devote alot of time breaking down all the mid level guys….BUT this guy I so look forward to seeing at the combine, and reading about his pro days in the upcoming months…
Ramses Barden – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oypUsE7dho8&feature=related
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 13, 2009 5:50 PM CST up reply actions
You got me drooling over him. However with big guys there have been some big flops
Mike Williams, Charles Rogers,Jarrett, to name a few so there is some fear. His excelleration in and out of his breaks will make or break him along with his 40 time.
Offensive Line
We heard after the season that Leonard Davis was skipping the Pro Bowl to rest a foot injury that plagued him all season. There is a story there and we really haven’t heard much about it. We heard during the season that Flozell Adams had an injury to his hand. There is a story there and we really know very little about it. We traded a 5th round draft pick for Montrell Holland. He played well in his one start on Thanksgiving Day. But why did it take so long for Holland to get the opportunity to start instead of a 3rd string player like Proctor. There is a story there and we really don’t know much about it. We heard something about some vague injury to Andre Gurode but no details. We know that the offensive line played well in 2007 under coach Sporano. We know the line played poorly in 2008 under Hudson Houck. We know that Miami cut ties to Houck in the offseason between 2007 and 2008. Why did Miami cut ties with Houck? Did the line respond poorly to Houck? There is a story there and we really know very little about it. The offensive line really let the team down in 2008. Romo had too little time to throw and suffered quite a few injuries. Ownes had too little time to break free from press coverage because the line could not protect Romo for long. Marion Barber’s average gain per attempt declined from 2007 to 2008. Something (maybe several things) hurt the offensive line performance in 2008. Let’s try to find out!
+1
These storylines interest me far more than keep/cut TO and whither Ray Lewis.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Why do people keep harping on RW2's lack of production
He played injured, on an obviously dysfunctional offense. If he is as bad as he was all of next year, then we have reason to worry. But calling the trade a bust after about a 1/2 of a season is as absurd as calling a draft pick a bust after his rookie season.
+1
You have to give the guy a chance. Look at Chambers out in San Diego. He didn’t do much when he left Miami in the middle of the year. He did very well last year though. I would like to see Roy and Romo working together some in the off-season together. It would really help with both of their images right now in people’s minds. Roy also didn’t help his cause by talking to the media. Hopefully, he has learned his lesson.
Because that...
is what most people do on message boards, and in football in general.
Results now!
But seriously I agree with you.
He might be a total bust of a trade, but I don’t think 1/2 a season would warrant that thought yet.
unfortunately MHuff...this whole site is filled with harps...
enough to make a symphony
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 12, 2009 10:29 PM CST up reply actions
O Line
I think redbeans is right. Raf, Grizz why don’t you investigate this matter with the O-line. I too would rather know more about the O line’s problems than the TO headlines. Is there any merit to what redbeans is saying? If the problems were due to injuries and not stupidity, then the line should be good again next year.
Also, who cares if Keith Brookings is available, lets start finding and grooming some young inside linebackers. We have Bradie James and that’s it.
by beautifultyrant on Feb 12, 2009 9:05 PM CST reply actions
Uh yeah,
that’s why I’m talking about Keith Brooking. It’s rare that you find ILBs, especially where Dallas is drafting, who can be plugged in and go.
Dallas will “find and groom” somebody. In the meantime, you still have to play 2009.
What is there to “investigate?” Kyle Kosier tore a ligament in his foot and missed the season. Flozell suffered a neck stinger and had a badly infected finger in his hand. Stories were posted on here questioning the accuracy of the injury reports released to the press. The backups all struggled under Hudson Houck. That’s also been discussed here.
The line has no depth it can depend on. But that was true a year ago, and was discussed a year ago. Even if everybody is healthy, the line is not “good to go” unless you think it can go a full season without a major injury.
Keith Brooking???
Are you serious? I liked him 5 years ago, and I get that he’s an experienced vet…
…but did you see him play last year? The guy is D-O-N-E done. Can’t shed blocks, can’t play sideline-to-sideline, shows little speed, has lost his excellent tackling ability, etc. I wouldn’t want him starting on the Cowboys.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
I’m not making this up. Did anybody actually watch him this year? I’d love for him to be good again too, but the guy is a shadow of his former self. Maybe making him an ILB in a 3-4 will help, as opposed to a Mike in a 4-3 where he has to go sideline-to-sideline, but based on what I saw of him last season he is no longer a starting caliber ’backer for a playoff team.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Doug Free hasn't played and he isn't a project player...if he did and was injured as often as Stanback....yes...
Free is most certainly a project player
The Cowboys didn’t draft him expecting him to contribute right away.
In Romo we Trust
a project player
is a prospect who the team knows won’t be able to come in and contribute for a few years and will need time to develop.
In Romo we Trust
Every player who hasn't played is a project player.
Free has been around two years
Stanback has been around two years.
Free has zero actives;
Stanback has played in some games.
But you want to cut Stanback because he’s been injured twice? That makes no sense.
Jimmy Smith was treated on this same standard. Dallas history would have been much,, much different if this “injury prone” player had been kept in Dallas.
Stanback is no Jimmy Smith.......lol
What makes Stanback more of a project than most is because he is learning a new position. At his pace, the way he is getting injured he won’t be around long enough to find out anyway and, I don’t think we have the time to find out.
I don’t want to hear how talented and fast he is because, there are a ton of these players that come out every year with more experience than him with.
Just because you have the tools doesn't mean jack....
Stanback hasn’t showed a whole lot in two years that he can make the switch from QB to WR, so you can throw the talented and gifted garbage out the window. There are a ton of gifted athletes that come out every year, but don’t make it.
You gotta give him...
one more year IMO. Most guys who do switch positions don’t hit the green light until year 3.
He just doesn't like Stanback
This was a much heated debate last year. Some liked Danny Amendola, some liked the level of talent inherit in Stanback. I’ll let you decide who came down on which side.
Feb. 18-24 -- NFL Scouting Combine
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Feb 15, 2009 2:36 AM CST up reply actions
Off subject but
the Giants just franchised Jacobs and word is that it’s pretty serious that Plaxico may be cut. Goes to show, we aren’t the only team with issues right?
Brooking's got nothing left at all.
I’m sorry but he is just completely finished. It would be a huge mistake to sign him and expect him to be a starter, just because he’s a big name.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 13, 2009 9:52 PM CST reply actions
I agree
The guy has lost it. Maybe Raf thinks as a 3-4 ILB he’d have to cover less ground, so it’s worth a shot? I just don’t see him being a starting caliber ‘backer on a playoff team. He has lost several steps, he’s a shadow of what he was 4-5 years ago.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Agreed
I suppose its possible, but its not like a 3-4 ILB doesn’t need a lot of physical skills.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 15, 2009 10:22 AM CST up reply actions

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