Dallas Cowboys Draft Primer
by Rafael Vela on Feb 12, 2009 9:54 PM CST
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PrintBefore people get too embroiled in Combine numbers and measurables and Pro Day times and draft books and whether a guy should be in the late first or the early second, lets get our facts straight.
Pro teams do not rate players the same way Mel Kiper and the other draft book gurus do.
1. Teams make up draft boards at least twice during the offseason.
The Cowboys guys were hard at work in draft meetings last week and are probably assembling their preliminary board. For all we know, they may have one completed already, based on college season tapes and data from the Senior Bowl. They’ll make another one after the Combine and Pro Day workouts are held.
2. Ratings are not relative.
Players are not rated relative to one another. In other words, the Cowboys don’t say, this guy is the 40th best player and this next guy is the 41st best player.
The staff will debate a players merits and then assign a grade that relates to a round and then rate players within that tier. Let's say Dallas assigns 20 players first round grades this year. If you could see their final board they would be rated 1-1 through 1-20, meaning first round, and overall position. The next player on that board would get a 2-21, meaning he's the top rated player in the second round tier.
The ratings system does not change from year to year, which means…
3. The number of players rated in each round varies from year to year.
You never see 32 players get a first round grade. In some years, 22 players might earn that rating. In others, you might see only 15. I’m told that typically, you get somewhere from 18 to 20 players getting a first round grade. Last year, Dallas gave out 21 first round grades.
Conversely, you may see more than 32 players get a third round grade, or a fourth round grade. This is the reason why a team might trade up or down from its position, because it feels it won’t get value in the spot where it picks.
Look at this year. Dallas' first selection comes at 51. If this is a typical year, and there are say, 20 first round players, and there are say, 30 players assigned second round grades, then Dallas is looking at a scenario where the second tier could run dry right before they pick. (2nd round "bubbles" I have been told, generally are bigger than first round groupings. 3rd rounders are even bigger, and so on.)
In this scenario, the team will have to weigh whether to move up and assure itself a solid second-tier player, or whether to stand pat and hope quality drops to its slot.
This type of thing happens a bit. Jason Witten had a late first round grade in ‘03 and the Cowboys seriously considered taking him at the very top of round two. It was decided that Dallas needed a center and Al Johnson was the pick instead. One full round later, Witten was still available and Dallas got a superb value.
Similarly, Marion Barber had a second round grade in '05, when Dallas landed him at the top of round four. And Tony Romo had a 5th the year he came out.
This is why teams can work themselves into a hole trying to jump up and down to match their boards. Everybody has to pick. There are lots of teams in the last third of round one who won’t get players with first round grades. But ten teams can’t trade down. Somebody has to stay and take the best value.
4. Not everybody gets on the board.
Teams weed out players who don’t fit their schemes. They weed out players who are character risks. They weed out players who other teams might like but who they don’t.
A source told me, “if you do your job right, you’ll likely only have 120 or so players on your board. People who haven’t seen this will think it’s risky and all your guys will get taken, but if you’ve prepared correctly, you’ll have guys available when you pick.”
I've been told that if you're prepared, you'll have players from that 120-130 player group still on your board after seven rounds. It's then the organization's job to out-recruit other teams for those top guys. There are several examples, but Romo remains the best example of this type of player.
We can infer what the Cowboys’ player profile are from the types of players they’ve been drafting lately. The player schemes are the same — Dallas will run the same offense and the same 3-4 defense its run before. It’s not going to start drafting completely different types of players because Bill Parcells took Jeff Ireland with him to Miami.
– We’re going to try and rate players in the same way here. I seriously doubt that I can find out which players are getting first round grades, but I can probably learn how many. And how many are getting second, third, fourth round grades, etc.
Figuring out the rest will be up to us.
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Ahhhhh the draft
Normally my favorite weekend between Superbowl and Opening day.
Reading all the rankings and projections always makes me remember a young O lineman who was going to revolutionize how OTs looked and who was going to dominate NFL Def tackles named Tony Mandrich (sp?).
And how some prognoticators wanted him to go before some QB named Aikman.
Lucky? Smart? drafting for need? Any way you think it, we got Troy and the Packers took Tony. Last I heard of the guns and roses loving lineman he was a back up on a bad Colts team in the mid 90s.
This helps me stay grounded when the players I want go before the Boys pick, or we pass on a stud (Stephen Jackson) I think would make a big difference.
Has anyone had expereince with this site
and spending the $25 for all access
you don't need to spend to get info on the draft...look around, and you'll get all the info you need..
personally, DraftDaddy.com is the best free site there is when it comes to up to date NFL info…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 14, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
Ah, I remember Joe Theismann well
“if Dallas wants to lay a cornerstone for the next ten years, I think the guy they want is Tony Mandarich.”
Never trust a Redskin. Especially, Joey “Norman Einstein, now there’s a genius” T.
I was also one of the geniuses
that at the time thought the Boys should have taken Mandarich. Guess that’s why I turn wrenches for a living.
I told one of my friends at the time
if the Cowboys don’t select Aikman, I’ll seriously consider dumping the Cowboys as my team. I probably wouldn’t have, but that is how strong I felt about Aikman being the next great qb and Mandarich becoming a bust.
In Romo we Trust
I was another Idiot
I thought Mandarich would be a beast On the field. And I was lusting after Steve Walsh ……
Mel Kiper on Darren Woodson
Questioned his moving to safety, and thought it wouldn’t work.
Wow was he wrong. Never heard anyone go back to him on it.
He’s like a weather forecaster…. As long as he’s right 1 day a week he’ll be employed.
In Kiper's defense
He’s been right about prospects as much as he’s been wrong. Projecting college kids to the NFL is an inexact science, a crapshoot as Parcells used to say, if you hit on 50%, you’re doing great.
In Romo we Trust
Kiper misses more than he hits
He gets headlines but his mocks blow.
Kiper
He likes to cycle as many guys as possible through his mocks. He knows what gets people to discuss his mock. He’s crazy like a fox. I would only look at his final mock as serious.
Feb. 18-24 -- NFL Scouting Combine
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Feb 13, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions
I like Gosselin, as well.
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
He's the best
- in accuracy for many years.
I also like The Huddle Report, costs $10 for a year, and their final talent board is really accurate as well.
Feb. 18-24 -- NFL Scouting Combine
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Feb 15, 2009 1:47 AM CST up reply actions
no draft expert predicts accurate mocks
its impossible. I do remember in ’95 though reading his 2 rd mock draft where he had the Steelers taking Mark Bruener in first and Kordell Stewart in the 2nd and I thought now way, but he was dead on.
If you go through all his draft reports the last 20 years, he’s pretty accurate in his ratings of players.
In Romo we Trust
True, but let me add...
… never trust a Redskin employed with BSPN.
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
I cant wait to really start digging into the draft.
This is really my favorite part of the year.
IF YOU'RE LOOKIN FOR ME...I'M AT THE SCRIP CLUB WITH PACMAN......AND WE'RE BEING REBELLION!!
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 12, 2009 10:24 PM CST reply actions
Likewise
Regardless of the outcome of the past season, the draft is always fun. Clean slate.
If only we hadn’t blown a first and third rounder on a player we now could’ve signed as a FA…
Kanye, you want to be the voice of this generation? Get in line! It goes me, Obamagirl, the Freecreditreport.com guys, then It's a tie between you-and Crocs.
-Stephen Colbert
by Conjunction on Feb 12, 2009 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
And one who can't
keep his trap shut either. T.O. lite?
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
good write up Raf........This is like year round process for me, checkin out talent, putting together boards..i love this stuff....
I must admit….with our first pick at #51, I’m having a tough time gauging who’s going to be there for us…FA has much to do with it….cuz as of right now…Dallas doesn’t even know what they’ll be looking for in the second round…If we land a Safety or an LB in FA…..I am certain it will be a OL, or whichever position wasn’t taken care of in FA.
My dream drops:
LB- Sintim
OG-Robinson
OC-Mack
OT-Britton
FS-Delmus
SS-Moore
Just one of them falls to 51, we’ll be looking good.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 13, 2009 1:38 AM CST up reply actions
i like Sintim, too. he's very solid.
and i love Delmas’ potential, as well.
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
This is definitely the time of year
where I sit back and listen to others. Draft is such an inexact science I can only admire those who participate in it. I’ll just follow along here and hope I’m smarter for it when it goes down. I’m counting on you guys.
I'm kinda in this camp... I am interested but it's too much of a lottery for me...
Mandarich is a good example. The Packers were in the midst of putting together a SuperBowl quality squad, so you can’t say their draft guys were fools. It’s just that not every player makes the jump to the next level. Whether it’s the speed of the game, the complexity of the playbooks, or the marathon of it all, some guys just don’t have what it takes.
My own personal opinion is that “work ethic” is underrated. It’s why guys like Petitti didn’t cut it. He was a force in college because he could just rely on his natural talent, but that wasn’t enough by itself to excel at the next level. Ryan Leaf is another one that fits this mold. The list is endless.
I’ll be following it, but I really get interested the day AFTER the draft.
Duane Thomas, Calvin Hill, Dorsett, Herschell, Emmitt ... and now MBIII, Felix, AND Choice!
i hear you, but
i’m pretty sure Rob Petitti did not dominate in college.
he was, what, a sixth round pick? ’not really in the dominating tier.
by falconPUNCH on Feb 12, 2009 11:48 PM CST up reply actions
Petitti was pretty good
I watched him all throughout his college career and he rarely got beat. However, he didn’t have the quick feet to succeed at the next level.
In Romo we Trust
pls he was thrown to the wolves as
a starter his rookie year!
You'll never get in a traffic jam,while going the extra mile. -Roger staubach
Besides Aikman/Mandarich
I also thought Leaf should have been taken before Manning. Boy I suck at this. In my defense, I had no idea about Leaf’s maturity issues.
It's the Quarterback Stupid...
Just $#%ing draft a quarterback. The pear-shaped, over-the-hill, celebrity choke artist, formerly known as Tony Romo isn’t going to lead the Cowboys to a playoff victory anytime soon. It’s been nearly twenty years since the proper resources have been allocated towards the most important position in all of sports.
romo is fine...
resources should be allocated to safety, ilb, de… all defense, i wouldn’t even mind another corner… with some ol mixed in
by CowboysFan4Life on Feb 13, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
proper resources like
Seriously? Here are the 1st rounders since 2002. V Young, Cutler, Leinart, A. Smith, J Cambell, E Manning, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Losman, Palmer, Leftwich, Boller, Grossman, Carr, Ramsey. Of those 15, reasonable arguments could be made for 2, maybe 3.
Mini Mock
2 — Duke Robinson, G, OU — May take a small trade up, but he’s the OL most able to crack Dallas’ lineup. He’ll push Kosier right away. I like Mack and Unger, but they’re likely to push Proctor off the roster. Robinson could be a starter by game 10 this year.
3 — Rashad Johnson, FS, Alabama — I keep seeing extreme splits on the safeties. They’re either rated really high, all going in the top 12 picks of round two, or falling a bit to the bottom. I wish Dallas could land Sean Smith of Utah, but I’ll be more than happy with Johnson.
4A — Franz Joseph, ILB, Fla. Atl. — He’s rising like a rocket and thank George Halas. The ILB pool looked really, really stinky without him.
4B - Dorrell Scott, Here’s your NT. I like Ron Brace but you can get a productive NT like Scott in the 4th. The odds of getting a dominating run blocking G like Robinson are far lower at this spot. Under review.
5. -
6. A QB. Because drafting one means Romo will lead Dallas to the Super Bowl, or so Tex says.
I see him "gifted" to Dallas in mocks
and see George Hegamin and Shane Hannah. And I shudder.
by Rafael Vela on Feb 13, 2009 12:27 AM CST up reply actions
i doubt dallas goes guard here anyway
this pick has saftey written all over it. maybe they trade this pick. they could trade up for moore as well, he is dropping but he has roy clone written all over him.
why on earth would Dallas want a Roy clone?
Haven’t we suffered enough?
by Rafael Vela on Feb 13, 2009 12:34 AM CST up reply actions
roy was good his first few years
but yeah i hope moore gets chosen before our pick just to fill a spot
One factor swaying me in Robinson's direction
I saw the National Football Post’s breakdown of free agent guards today.
I’ve read for about the past five years that G is considered the thinnest position in the game. Look at that list and you’ll see why. Joe Berger, who was so bad he couldn’t nudge Proctor and McQuistan for playing time, is the 5th or 6th rated FA guard this year.
If Dallas gets a shot at Robinson, they should snag him. He holds a lot, but I’m hoping that can be improved with coaching. He’s also a nasty, nasty run blocker.
by Rafael Vela on Feb 13, 2009 12:32 AM CST up reply actions
Robinson is far and away the best pro prospect of the guards
You have to consider taking that type of talent if he somehow drops into reach in the 2nd round.
Feb. 18-24 -- NFL Scouting Combine
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Feb 13, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
if he's as nasty a run blocker as you say raf...
i would not have any problems using our second on a guard… we have 3 very talented backs… if we can run on anyone, we can win against anyone…
p.s. flo adams looked pretty horrible in the pro bowl… if we do get robinson somehow, any chances we try bigg at LT and put robinson in at RG? just thinking aloud… i don’t know if i can see flo starting for us next season unless he pushes himself this offseason, and as old as he is, i dont’ know… of course, i guess it is easier to play older as an Offensive lineman than say a rb or wr
by CowboysFan4Life on Feb 13, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
You think Bigg has issues at LT
just wait till Leonard Davis moves out there. The guy had trouble protecting as a guard.
He’s not going to get any faster working on the island.
by Rafael Vela on Feb 13, 2009 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
Sign a Free Agent Center
The Vikings have one and there is another younger guy available; then we could move Gurode to the guard rotation; and then draft a tackle and a guard — our line would then be set and we could beging to spell Flo with Free to see if he can play. I am tired of Gurode’s inability to get the ball back to Romo with any consistency or velocity. Gurode is a huge liability based on his yips in snapping the ball.
i like that mock....I agree that Robinson would be a starter year 1....
although Mack at OG would also be knocking on Kosiers back door.
I have really struggled thinking Hamlin can make it here at SS….that Baltimore game will foever be etched in my mind, that being said…I am more apt to look Strong Safety first….Will Moore, Pat Chung, and Mike Hamlin.
I’ll take Joseph in round 4, or McKillop, which ever is available.
If Dorell Scott falls to late round 4, he becomes a value pick, and I’d scoop him up, but I think he’ll go a little before that spot.
I’m really falling for Sammi Lee Hill….You have to go all the way back to the 1991 NFL Draft, and you’ll recall a guy named Eric Swann, an NAIA drop out, that was playing semi pro ball up in Worchester, MA, who was a mountain of a man with freakish athletic abilities for a guy his size…, and in fact was being considered here in Dallas with the 1 overall pick, which ended up going to Russell Maryland.
I am not saying Sammi Lee Hill will be the next Eric Swann, but he is also a mountain of a man, with freakish atletic abilities. 6’4" 335lbs, runs a 5.00 40, strong as an ox, and has quite the verticle to dunk at that weight is outstanding, as he is quite the BB player as well. He is known to be very agile, and quite nimble on his feet, enough so that he played DE at tiny Stillman College. I think this guy is being way undervalued, and I see him going from relative obscurity to a possible day 1 consideration, after it’s all said and done……..I originally had him slated in the 6th on my rough pre combine mock, but I think he’s worth a look even as early as round 3 now…..I’ll wait to hear more on him….But everyone here knows our best possible outcome would to find a NT, and move Ratliff over to the soon to be vacant Canty spot…
Nobody really knew of Eric Swann back in the day…but we know about ole Sammi Lee Hill…
Once again, I know very little about him…He just came out of nowhere recently, but i’m on it…and I damn well hope the Cowboys scouting staff is as well….
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 13, 2009 2:06 AM CST up reply actions
I have a feeling Mack goes to the Steelers at 32
they need an interior OL. Shoot, they might take Robinson but I think Mack grades out higher.
they're a team that's never been coy about taking OL, even Gs and Cs high
and they need one.
true...they're about to lose half their line to FA
if we can’t get Mack or Robinson, i’d just assume wait till the 3rd or 4th to get C-Wood, C-Luigs, OG- Canfield, OG-Urbik, OT-Meridith, OT-Lewis
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 13, 2009 2:38 AM CST up reply actions
Don't know why the line went through Scott
but I’d take him in the mid-4th.
Okay, Tex
Have your pool boy Henson give us a name.
Who’s this QB savior? Come on, don’t be shy.
Chase Daniel!
He’s very white, unthreatening, and probably gritty.
Kanye, you want to be the voice of this generation? Get in line! It goes me, Obamagirl, the Freecreditreport.com guys, then It's a tie between you-and Crocs.
-Stephen Colbert
by Conjunction on Feb 13, 2009 12:26 AM CST up reply actions
I'm implying a QB who can actually help Dallas,
not another Cabana Boy for Tex.
by Rafael Vela on Feb 13, 2009 12:28 AM CST up reply actions
Well, if we're going for a QB to help us
I tend to think It’s someone good enough to push Romo who also provides a contrasting style of play. Why? To provide a challenge if he gets complacent, as most seem to complain, and a demonstration of different aspects of the position. For the record, I don’t think Romo has a problem with a lack of leadership or any of that jazz, I’m just using the complaint most often utilized.
Can you get a Qb good enough to really challenge him in this year’s draft? Not one you can count on. I’m actually quite fond of Chase Daniel, though, if we’re looking for a late-round flyer or FA pickup… lots of people will throw Graham Harrell’s name into the mix, and that’s also a good one. But with Sanchez and Stafford out of the question, I don’t think anyone in this class is ready to challenge one of the very best quarterbacks in the entire NFL.
Kanye, you want to be the voice of this generation? Get in line! It goes me, Obamagirl, the Freecreditreport.com guys, then It's a tie between you-and Crocs.
-Stephen Colbert
by Conjunction on Feb 13, 2009 12:36 AM CST up reply actions
Freeman-Kansas St, and Davis- Ball St are the two QB's with late 1st- early 3rd projections....
I’d take Davis in the 3rd, if available….A nice combo of strength, mobility, and toughness….btw….ESPN-QB challenge recently….threw the ball 74 yards with no wind up.., and won all the major competitions……
Rhett Bomar in the 4th would be the next option….I seen enough of Daniels and Harrell in the post season bowl games to scratch them off my list…not going to cut it in the NFL…..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 13, 2009 2:13 AM CST up reply actions
As much as
I hated watching the Cotton Bowl. I have to say that Ole Miss was way underated, and Tech was way overconfident. Getting hit on every play and refs letting Ole Miss clobber him and Harrell still played like a warrior. You can assign alot of blame in that game, but QB was not a position of weakness there.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
Draft him in 6th if
you are going to. Don’t do it at 51.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
Harrell looked terrible at the Senior Bowl, and the ESPN QB challenge...threw the ball about 55 yards or so...weak, poor footwork, small frame..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 13, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
If your team
has to rely on the QB to loft 50 yarders 10 times a game, they are gonna suck big time. I never said he was a Jeff George who could heave it 100 yards. I just think he has the poise to make a decent qb. But, I am a Tech Alum, and could be looking through red colored glasses.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
Hey I'm a Tech alum as well
so I look thru rose colored glasses as well but you can’t help yourself for rooting for Harrell cause he’s a nice kid.
Not 50 vertical.
Pro QBs have to beat NFL corners on that 10 yard out. I was worried about Romo, no way Harrell has enough zip.
look...I was a Harrell advocate prior to his post season performances..
He has no experience working under center, and it showed at the all star games, and the week of practice there. He had several fumbles of the snap, he tripped over his feet on several occasions, and his balls were falling 5 yard short, into the ground, couldn’t make the simplest of NFL throws, can forget about any 10+ yard out patterns…and he was completely off his game, scouts gave him an D-F grade…….IF Harrell goes undrafted, THEN I would consider bringing him into camp and compete for a 3rd QB spot, and throw him on the practice squad….He is NOT close to being a NFL caliber QB….period.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 13, 2009 8:12 PM CST up reply actions
I also like Nate Davis...
I think he’s the sort of guy who could be a great career backup.
Freeman was pretty decent considering that last year he was surrounded by a horrible supporting cast.
by AirforceBat on Feb 13, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
I'd take a flyer on Jason Boltus
Poor man’s Romo who could develop into a nice back up in 2-3 years.
In Romo we Trust
I got news for you
Any qb we take in the draft will not be Romo’s back up this year, that job will belong to a vet qb we sign.
In Romo we Trust
who said he'd be Romo's back up this year ?
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 13, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
Then why bother
To draft one….If he’ll only get Claimed off the practice squad
You'll never get in a traffic jam,while going the extra mile. -Roger staubach
practice squad ?? ever think we might carry 3 QB's like 95% of the league does ??
You give the rookie one year to get the system down, be coached up, then you get rid of the expensive veteran, and the 1 year QB takes the #2 spot for the next 4-6 years at a greatly reduced salary…simple economics my friends…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 13, 2009 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
who says he has to be on the practice squad?
Romo, vet back up and developmental rookie, we keep all 3 on the roster.
Not brain surgery dude.
In Romo we Trust
LMAO
About the Chase Daniel = cabana boy remark
Feb. 18-24 -- NFL Scouting Combine
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Feb 13, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
Chase Daniel is a girl
He choked in any big game situation this past year; yuk!
My Mock Draft
Round 2 trade up using the 51st pick and our round 4 (113th pick) to trade up about 8 spots and get the guard Duke Robinson. Lots of us were hoping this guy would come out last year so we could use a one of our first rounders on him. So what he had a down year, he fits the system and could be great.
Round 3 we take one of the remaining talented safetys. One of chung, moore, johnson, delmas, and hamlin should still be there. Pegues could be an option but I really think one of the other 4 will be there. Lots of drafts have either johnson or delmas dropping. Worst case senerio is we settle for Hamlin.
Round 4 NT Terrance Taylor. At 6’0 and 314lbs this former wrestling champion has the stuff to hold the point.
http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/dt/Terrance-Taylor.php
Round 5
Pick 148 OT Cornelius Lewis 6’5 310 and good value here due to a deep tackle class.
Pick 158 Worrell Williams ILB 6’0 245lbs Although he is a little short this guy had lots of tackles the last few years and had 6 pass breakups this year.
http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/ilb/Worrell-Williams.php
Round 6 Pick 184 Quan Cosby WR 5’11 205lbs. Yeah he is short and a possession receiver but I saw plenty of this guy watching Texas the last 2 years. Has all the intangibles, very mature, and will make the difficult catches.
Round 7 Pick 193 Nick Reed OLB, had a ton of sacks and tackles for a loss yet he seems to be overlooked. Has why not written all over him. http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/de/Nick-Reed.php
Last pick in Round 7 Chase Daniel, yeah hes short but he was also the best qB in the NCAA last year.
Like your mock
I like the trade up for Duke, and I love taking one of … This year there is little consensus about the pecking order for safeties. The only reason to take one in the second is because there’s an early run. Still the upside to a safety run is that for every player drafted too early, another has to fall, maybe even on with late first or early second round grade.
yeah and in addition to a guard and saftey we need an ILB almost as bad
so if there is a run on safetys maybe an ILB falls. recently ILBs have fallen far in the draft, especially from where they are projected now. dont know about this year though.
Open Competition
Fair enough, and under the logical assumption that Tony Romo is a soft, un-drafted, celebrity quarterback who doesn’t like to compete in a contact sport come November – January, and who has never won a playoff game by the age of 29… on February 27th, throw Chris-Canty money at Byron Leftwich with a guarantee that there will open competition for the starting quarterback position of the Dallas Cowboys.
If nothing else, lite a fire beneath the ballooning ass of Mr. Good Times, see the benching of Donovan McNabb. Secondly, throw all nine (9) draft picks toward the quarterback of the future. Its been twenty (20) damn years since the Dallas Cowboys drafted Aikman with top currency. Draft Davis and Daniel, go all in to get Stafford. Just address the most important position in all of sports. Bottom line… Romo isn’t going to win a playoff game in Dallas.
i would not be upset with the QB Freeman from Kansas in the 3rd
yeah i am a romo fan but Tex you got a point. Freeman would be great value here and this is right before QBs start to rise, he may be available.
What if Jerry Jones picks him there?
I was also thinking, it’d be like Jerry Jones to sign Ray Lewis
by AustonianAggie on Feb 13, 2009 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah
and who has never won a playoff game by the age of 29
He’s only been starting for 2 1/2 years. Come on now.
Discovered by the Germans in 1904, they named it San Diego, which of course in German means a whale's vagina. .
"throw Chris Canty money at Byron Leftwich"
Huh?
So how is Drew Bledsoe’s nephew going to return that heavy investment? With his fantastic rush evading skills?
Let’s see, Romo, according to you, is a pear-shaped, 29 year old has been who’s never won a playoff game. And your remedy is to challenge him with a 29 year old has been who’s never won a playoff game.
I see.
by Rafael Vela on Feb 13, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
Tex is at one end of the spectrum - and you are at the other end, Terry....
where is the truth??
somewhere in the middle
thats not true
I don’t make stuff up about Romo that are completely false and untrue, Tex does.
In Romo we Trust
Also Byron Sandwich has a jello-like physique.
He certainly won’t win any of these QB bodybuilding contests Tex seems to put so much stock in.
Speaking of jello physicque
Jared Lorenzon is available. Now that’s a beefy guy. LOL
You want us to raft Davis, Daniel, AND Stafford?
Assuming only one of them can beat out our stud QB who you so despise, what are the others going to do? Hopefully they can play FS and ILB?
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Leftwich is a statue
Leftwich holds the ball low, holds the ball too long and he’s slow on his feat. Bledsoe got killed behind the Boy’s line, I don’t see Lefty doing any better.
Agree with you.
Isn’t it funny how Leftwich plays one really good game against the Skins and now everyone is proclaiming him to be the next thing since sliced bread.
Leftwich is an extremely underrated athlete, and QB...behind a good line, he's by far one of the best FA QB's available...
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 13, 2009 8:18 PM CST up reply actions
underrated by supposed blog site "talent guru" bloggers...
and your right..He was drafted in the 1st for a reason. He surely is no bust..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 14, 2009 9:09 AM CST up reply actions
Well....
He’s a bust for where he was selected, you can’t deny that.
He is a great backup, but his release takes way too long.
by AirforceBat on Feb 14, 2009 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
+1 He has career back up written all over him.
He can win you a few games here and there but definitely not over the long hall.
The hitch in his delivery was known to all scouts going into the draft...and was rated a high first rounder..
It takes proper coaching to alieviate the perceived “long wind up” …He has yet to properly coached, as far as i’m concerned…toughness, accuracy, leadership play a far greater role in evaluating a QB prospects than delivery motion……..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 14, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with all of those critea but he cant have a wind up either. He has been in the leagues 4 years.
He should know what his weaknesses are and fix them. At this point he is stupid or lazy. Bad traits for a QB. He is good enough to cause a QB contoversy but wont get you to the promise land. Thats why Jacksonville released him.
Garrard was a cheaper option at the time...
Coaches need to fix him, he can’t do it on his own…He’s got a strong arm, he doesn’t need to bring it back as much….put him with a real QB authority like Sam Wyche, Bill Walsh, Shanahan, Holmgren and you’d see eventual progress in his delivery…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 14, 2009 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
Those guys have offenses that require a quick release. Those guys would never touch him.
My memory is a little fuzzy on Leftwich but didnt he and Garrard have one final TC battle that Garrard had won and Leftwich was released out right before the season.
that's not my point...THOSE guys could help him quicken his release
none are HC now……..If I was a millionaire with a problem, i’d pay one of those former coaches to consult me on my delivery…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 14, 2009 9:29 PM CST up reply actions
I agreed with that but he hasnt, which led me to stupid or lazy.
Also Garrard beat him out it wasnt because he was the cheaper option.
How 'Bout them Cowboys
Tex would draft the best QB available with Dallas’ first-round pick every year until the equation is solved twice over, See Brady Quinn. Next year repeat, see Brian Brohm.
Because Brady Quinn and Brain Brohm
Have been lighting it up.
Isn’t Brohm the 3rd string QB for Green Bay?
by AirforceBat on Feb 13, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
Behind fellow rookie
and 7th round pick Matt Flynn no less.
"A team is where a boy can prove his courage on his own. A gang is where a coward goes to hide." -- Mickey Mantle
and
your team would suck.
Discovered by the Germans in 1904, they named it San Diego, which of course in German means a whale's vagina. .
Aha!
Forget the Connors, Troy references. Tex is really Jon “Love Ya ’Bro” Gruden.
Dates every QB he meets. Has trouble committing.
1:06 pm CT 19 May 2006
Tex (AKA MONTECITO TEX, THE QB EXPERT)
"Gotta love the critics… just save this post and apologize when Henson emerges as the next great Cowboy QB."
LOL
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by APerfectStar on Feb 13, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
Tex is a trip.....
but i agree this is the year to get our long term back up / possible replacement aboard earlier than most would like…….You don’t draft late round projects to groom to be 3rd stringers…..You draft young talented quality QB’s in rounds 2-4 that already have what it takes to compete.to be your main back up or eventually replacement…simple as that……If we don’t draft a QB before round 5….I wouldn’t even bother doing so….
Freeman
Davis
Bomar
Those are the only QB’s i’d even be looking at right now…and i don’t even like Bomar…but the rest after them are flawed, and need tons of work…
Sure a Harrell, Cantwell, Harper, or Brandstater may turn into something one day, but if they’re flawed now, and rated 5th-7th round fodder…they aren’t going to help next year, or the year after, and may never help….
I’m going by what i’ve seen, and heard……….and i don’t prescribe in the draft a QB late business…….You do what good teams do, you draft a good one, even if you already have one……Kolb, Quinn, Brohm, O’Connell, Henne, etc. etc… You stay on top of the game….or you end up being forced to draft the Quincy Carters of the world….
funny
You would pass on Brady in the 6th then..LOL.
I’m telling you the Boltus kid is worth a 7th rd pick.
In Romo we Trust
yeah....Brady wasn't all that special coming out, and the 6th round was about right for him...maybe 4th-5th...
hindsight can be used in many ways….Brady was put into a great system, and has progressed since then….he wasn’t much coming out….put him on a team like San Fran or Detroit, and he wouldn’t have been the player he is today…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 13, 2009 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
Agree 100%
That’s where the Pats have everyone else beat. They are incredible in developing QB’s. Who is responsible for this?
They have a great system.
Most QB’s could throw that simple little screen to the flat that they’ve gotten countless huge plays out of over the years, most of the time utilizing Kevin Faulk or one of their tight ends; Watson or Graham when he was with the team.
And to think, and I want everyone to read carefully.... :-)~
Team of the Decade, Multiple SB winning New England Patriots, with Mega Star QB Tom Brady locked up for several years, and with relatively young third year back up Matt (just franchised for over 14 million) Cassells already entrenched into the #2 QB spot,
New EnglandSTILL went out EARLY in last years draft and selected UCLA QB Kevin O’Connell , #94th overall in the 3rd round !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And believe you me, they had TONS of other needs to address, far more than the DEPTH we’re looking to solidify..
That’s what seperates perrenial SB contenders from No playoff win pretenders…that’s what keeps teams on top, and sustains greatness for several years on end…
Moves like that show me the Patriots front office is the best in the business, bar none…
Even if Brady never comes back right from his injury, They have a proven commodity in Cassells, and a stellar #2 QB prospect already in place.
Once Brady is given a clean bill of health, expect Cassells to be traded for multiple high draft picks, and O’Connell to move in and take control of the #2 QB spot for many years in New England.
All that, because they think ahead, and are prepared for whatever comes their way…
If we don’t draft a Freeman or a Davis, It’s business as usual, I guess…
My personal belief is Nate Davis is eventually going to be a star in the NFL……for the cost of a 3rd round pick ?…well worth the investment.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 13, 2009 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
+1
Couldn’t have said it better myself Numa1. That’s why when some say “Romo’s only 29”, I say so what? You better do like NE Patriots, and not get caught with your pants down. You would have thought that Jerry had learned after Troy but he doesn’t seem to understand yet. Hopefully, Romo getting hurt last year, opened his eyes.
BoysR#1
Have you seen reports that Nate Davis might have a learning disability? You seem to have studied this kid in detail. Is that just a nasty rumor, or a legit report?
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by APerfectStar on Feb 13, 2009 8:54 PM CST up reply actions
They had TONS of other needs to address?
Right after they went 18-1? Um, no.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 13, 2009 9:49 PM CST up reply actions
ummmm....yes...their ENTIRE secondary had to be overhauled, depth and all....
plus a severe need for LB’s
What did they do ???
They selected a potential future starting QB, AND addressed their needs by selecting several LB’s and DB’s……see…smart moves…
US, on the other hand…have NO starting positions needed in this upcoming draft…yet
sure, we all feel like we need a better safety, maybe a LB, or DE, or OG to come in here and provide competition to our current starters….BUT we DO have ALL our starters under contract, besides Canty and Zack….so don’t go over emphasizing a NEED for any position just yet…..IF we sign Zack and Canty…we have our entire starting team coming back, and there are very very few rookies in this draft that would beat out any of our starters in training camp……including S-Roy Williams…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 13, 2009 10:00 PM CST up reply actions
I beg to differ
The ’Boys need a Ted Linebacker, a SS, a D-Lineman (position depending on where Ratliff plays, but Spears is awful and Canty is a FA), and lots and lots of young O-Lineman. The O-Line was the second oldest in the league last year with not much in the way of young replacements.
The Pats needed a Linebacker and a Corner or two.
No that I’m saying a QB shouldn’t be drafted because obviously Romo needs a better backup QB than BJ but I think the Pats had fewer needs, hence it was easier for them to use it on a OB early (relatively). Hell, the Pats went 11-5 with their backup QB playing the whole year. They are a pretty deep team.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 13, 2009 10:41 PM CST up reply actions
what are you differing about ?
Once again…I KNOW we NEED quality depth, and or/ possible starters this season, or down the road at ILB, SS, NT or DE, and some OL DEPTH….
The O LINE you speak of is LOCKED UP contractually for SEVERAL more years BESIDE the LG position…..so finding a replacement at LG I agree with, and I would love our FIRST pick to be a LG.
btw…Flozell is the ONLY O lineman up there in age, and I’d also look for his possible replacement as well, but isn’t that supposed to be Doug Free ??
Until Canty, Zack, or Burnett are signed elsewhere, you can not say we need a ILB or DE, because we have Jason Hatcher to replace Canty, OR Ratliff if we find a NT worthy of starting….Spears (who is far better than you obviously think of him) is signed through ‘09-’10….so we’re not in panic mode there yet…Everyone’s favorite Barbie Carpenter is still a viable option to take over that ILB spot, so don’t go freaking out just yet…..
Like it or not, Roy Williams is signed for a few years, and is not going anywhere this year, unless Jerry is willing to take a 4 million dollar cap hit…so TO or Roy …which do you want cut more ? LMAO
So SS is obviously not a dire need, but I agree we should be looking for Roy’s replacement now…Did I miss anything you may differ with ?
Oh yeah…the Patriots…dude..I explained they lost both starting safeties, and their all pro CB, and his back up…….and a few WR’s, LB’s, and OLinemen….so please don’t tell me they had no needs going into the draft..k ? THEY needed starters, WE need insurance and DEPTH…You haven’t seen one rookie come in here and start since Demarcus Ware, what makes you think that may change this year (with supposedly the best roster talent in the league) The ONLY position up for competition with current vets against incoming rookies is at ILB, OG, and SS…….but like I said, we already have a vet replacement in the mix for those spots, so don’t think for a minute any rookie we draft is coming in as the starter…
Back to the Pats issue:……
One thing THEY DIDN’T have were 9-11 draft picks….WE GOT 9 to possibly 11 friggin draft picks….You really think using a 2nd or 3rd rounder on a possible future star QB, and at the very least, a great back up QB isn’t worthy of one of our potential 11 draft picks ???? c’mon man…It’s not even Free Agency yet….
How bout if we went out and signed one or two of : LB-Ray Lewis or Bart Scott, FS-Oshie Atogwe or Sean Jones, NT- Gabe Watson, and OG Mike Goff or OT-Jordan Gross ?
OK, so we sign S-Sean Jones and LB- Bart Scott for instance….then what ??
we can still use our first selection on an OLineman like Robinson, Mack, Levitrie….then what is our big NEED in round 3 ????
answer that…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 13, 2009 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
I differ in that I think the Pats had less needs
None of the O-Line starters are under 30 and usually only elite guys can start in their mid 30’s. Who is going to be on the line 3 years from now? Anybody currently on the team? Free and Davis are both possible but who knows? The whole left side of the line already needs to be replaced, although unfortunately that will be hard with Flo locked up. But make no mistake, the O-Line is a big need.
I wouldn’t sign Zack even if he wanted to resign so definitely another starter is needed there. Please don’t mention Bobby Carpenter.
As for the D-Line, Spears is not a starting caliber end, and Canty underachieved this year. Hatcher was pretty non-existant. If you don’t believe that, then I’d ask for your explanation in the decline of the run defense. It wasn’t Ratliff’s fault.
I’d cut Roy at least, hang onto TO another year if need be. If you can then cut them both.
As for the Pats, they still had Harrison and Merriweather at safety and Hobbs at one corner spot. Losing their 4th WR in Stallworth and a backup O-lineman doesn’t count for a need in my book. They had less needs, and thats the truth.
There isn’t enough cap room to sign the guys you’re saying, and there are still plenty of needs to address. Another starting ILB, a replacement at SS (needed badly, Hamlin must play better too), more pash rush depth, potential replacements on the d-line, O-lineman, and a backup QB. If you think you can get the right guy in the 3rd round then fine, but there better be some answers for the other spots too.
And lastly, if you think the ’Boys have the most talented roster then I suggest you look around at the rest of the league.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 14, 2009 12:09 AM CST up reply actions
there is enough cap room to sign those guys and ware
they have done it in the past and the new collective bargaining agreement or uncapped year will bail us out. yeah and listening to both arguments, i think the pats did have more needs. the pats have been getting by through scheme, smoke, and mirrors but everyone saw the way their defense performed this year and to say they do not have depth issue would be ignoring that performance
well, you have your convictions..and are sticking strong to your beliefs..
so be it…I’m not going to continue this in advertent pissing match, but for you to follow your opinion of the Pat’s draft needs, or lack there of with “They had less needs, and thats the truth.” is laughable…it’s not the truth, it’s your opinion…we differ there:
Harrison ? c’mon, the guy’s 36 years old, and has only started 30 of a possible 64 games over 4 seasons, and surely should have been looked at as a weakness and a need at SS…Merriweather is solid, but Hobbs was a nickle back going into the season, and they had absolutely NO other secondary players left…So having a missing starter, and no depth whatsoever constitutes a need….I’ll just end it there, I won’t get into the fact their entire LB corp was about to retire, or file for AARCP benefits or Social Security and Medicaid.
Let’s move on, shall we ??
This all started because I felt we should use one of a possible 11 draft picks on a top quality, higher rated QB, and you differed in opinion, yet you go on to agree with me :
potential replacements on the d-line, O-lineman, and a backup QB. If you think you can get the right guy in the 3rd round then fine, but there better be some answers for the other spots too.
my answers for the other spots you insist on us drafting:
(my revised pre combine rough mock draft Mock 2.0)
rd 2) Sean Smith- FS
rd 3) Nate Davis- QB
rd 4) Trevor Canfield- OG
rd 4) Sammi Lee Hill- NT
rd 5) Cornelius Lewis- OT
rd 5) Lee Robinson- LB
rd 6) Everette Pedescleaux- DE
rd 7) Joe Burnett- CB/PR
rd 7) Jason Chery- slot WR/ Return Specialist
I believe this about covers every single possible position we are in need of..AND does not even include the possible compensation picks we may inherit….
Satisfactory ???
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 14, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
Bomar
I’m going to say it right now, Bomar would be one of the biggest wastes of a pick of all time.
The dude has character flaws a plenty aka he’s a douche and… he’s not that good.
by AirforceBat on Feb 13, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
I don't like Bomar...just listing where he's slotted to go.....Bolyus character is alright for a late round flyer if we don't go QB early..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 13, 2009 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah....
I just know that the guy wasn’t that good at OU or Sam Houston, and fumbled the ball from center more than anyone I’ve ever seen.
.I have no idea how or why or what some of these supposed "draft guru's" see in this guy..
I personally don’t see where their obtaining the info to project him 3rd-4th round…IF you can’t put up huge numbers at little Sam Houston St., you aren’t going to get my attention…His career numbers are at best, mediocre…I don’t care how highly rated out of high school the guy was…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 13, 2009 8:44 PM CST up reply actions
Drafting a QB is the most inexact science there is.
Tom Brady
Brad Johnson
Jake Delhomme
Kurt Warner
Matt Hasselbeck
*Rich Gannon doesn’t exactly fall under the category of a 4th-round QB as the Patsies originally selected him with the intention of him converting into a safety the way other teams tried and failed to do with Scott Frost and Eric Crouch.
What do all these guys have in common? They were all drafted in the 6th Round or later and all have started Super Bowls in the past decade; 10 between them to be exact. In fact, you have to go all the way back to Chris Chandler in Super Bowl 33 to find a starting SB QB who wasn’t either a 1st round pick or a 6th round-or-later pick. *As I pointed out, Gannon doesn’t really belong in either group as he was drafted to be a safety.
However in defense of your main point it should also be pointed out that of all these guys except Tom Brady took anywhere from 3-6 years to become starters and far more importantly Brady was the only one to start a Super Bowl for the team that originally drafted or signed him. Speaking of which; who was the idiot that nudged Matt Moore out the door again? Good for you, Jerry. Where were you on all this, Redball? Oh, that’s right, the team would be just fine with BJ.
The other interesting thing is that since 1998, only 7 of the 14 QB’s to start Super Bowls were originally drafted by that team and even more telling aside from Brady, all of them were 1st Round picks.
So apparently a late, late round QB is just as capable of starting a Super Bowl as a 1st round pick but GM’s having the foresight to be patient enough to hold onto their late round gem is a different story.
Its an inexact science because
the is no measurable for heart. What makes players truly special are things you can’t see or measure, which is why the draft is a crapshoot.
In Romo we Trust
Well, in a QB's case it's more cerebral.
You just can’t know how they’ll react to the thousands of different variables they’ll have to deal with in any given play or game.
1st round QBs start for crap teams
Late round QBs get groomed, sometimes on playoff ready teams.
Most all 6-7th rounders can't help right away.
That’s why they get picked that low in the first place.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 13, 2009 9:47 PM CST up reply actions
See, that's why I pass
Unless Dallas is willing to take a QB in the 2nd,or at 69, I don’t think they get a shot at one, or a good one anyway.
And their starting 22 isn’t finished yet. I’ll look for one next year, or see if they can find a late one again.
Look, they got Romo as a UFA.
They got Matt Moore, who was rated as a 3rd rounder in a lot of semi-pro books, as a UFA. I was banging the table in agony when they cut him. You NEVER cut a young QB with any promise. Like, ever.
And they kept a useless and largely inactive
Tyson Thompson on the roster all year. Guys like TT are replaceable in a heartbeat. That was terrible roster management.
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 13, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
Heck
Forget Tyson Thompson, at least he was a good returner and had speed. They kept Joe Berger over Matt Moore. Joe friggin Berger, a 3rd or 4th string interior lineman over a QB that showed potential.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 13, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
TT wasn't that good
he was mostly inactive in his last season.
There was no shortage of junk that could have been purged in place of Moore.
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 13, 2009 5:24 PM CST up reply actions
I was never the biggest Tyson fan but I remember alot of guys gushing over him thinking he was the next big thing.
He had a couple of monster kick returns thank got everyones panties wet and then went and broke his leg. I think their might have been a bit of a hangover from the year before hoping when he got fully healed he could return to form.
Amen
Matt Moore was Jerry the GM at his best!!!
I have always questioned why boards should change so much after pro days and individual workouts
In my opinion (obviously if the player was injured this does not stand because you need to see how he is recovering) tape should matter a whole lot more than 40 times just look at Anquan Boldin. I have always wondered why so much emphasis is put into these combines and how players can get so much money and jump up and down in rounds just simply training for a fourty time with Olympic sprinters but not show any other sort of football mentality.
Yep...
The combine IS useful, but there are things that you just can’t test.
by AirforceBat on Feb 13, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
Comfortability
When a player has “it”, it’s not something tangible and it’s not something you can quantify. Pro days and workouts give scouts and GMs something tangible they can use help justify their draft boards. I think too many GMs use the tangible items as a foundation and hope the intangibles fill in the blanks. I think it should be the other way around
40 time equates to ceiling
Tape shows the floor. Watch the tape to find the guys that will stick. Look at the stopwatch to find the (can’t think of the blind, stone hands speed WR drafted by the Vikings a few years back) superstar – so I’ll go with FredX – Just have to thank the lord for giving me these hands.
Draft Column
New reader/poster, and I can’t say enough how great the writing is on this site. Well done, all.
I agree that the Boys should take a QB only after their starting 22 is addressed, which by all acounts means they will be doing so in the UDFA period after the draft. As long as Dallas doesn’t bring in Sean “The Human Underswear Stain” Glennon, I will be happy. I hope he’s not even mentioned sarcastically. Imagine where Eddie Royal would have been drafted last year if he played with a real QB and not Glennon? Yowzah.
FS is the biggest need. I don’t think anyone is under any illusions about that.
Some people are just encouraged by attention
and how much time is it that we spend talking about Tex?
maybe not
informative but he is kinda funny
He is as funny as a full body cavity search done by a man with hands the size of Billy Joe Dupre.
P.S. They said he had suit cases for hands.
I shook his hand. Nicest guy you'd ever want to meet.
And you’re right, you wouldn’t want him giving you a cavity search.
qb 4 the boyz
Nathan Brown
Height: 6-2 | Weight: 214 | 40-Time: 4.80
| Central Arkansas Bears
Strengths:
Has a solid build…Decent speed and athleticism…Very accurate…Nice touch and timing…Sound mechanics with a quick release…Has some mobility…Can throw on the run…Very tough…Smart…Durable…Lots of experience…Hard worker…Superb leader…Extremely productive.
Who wrote that scouting report?
His agent?
by Mandmeisterx on Feb 13, 2009 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
Nathan Brown was a complete failure at the East/West Shrine game.
many scouts wondered why he was even there…He will go undrafted..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 13, 2009 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
+1
Every draftnik covering that week was unanimous on that front.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 13, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
New Mock
2. William Moore, FS, Missouri
3. Andy Levitre, OG, Oregon State
4. Darnell Ellerbe, ILB, Georgia
4. Cody Brown, OLB, UConn
5. Chris Baker, DT, Hampton
5. Sebastian Vollmer, OT, Houston
6. Hunter Cantwell, QB, Louisville
7. Ellis Lankster, CB, West Virginia
7. Ra’Shon Harris, DT/DE, Oregon
Question for anybody that knows
How many college DTs could make the switch to DE in a 3-4. Dallas needs to draft some DEs too. They need to start pushing Canty and Spears. With the exception of Ratliff, the DL is a weakness on this team.
by beautifultyrant on Feb 13, 2009 2:03 PM CST reply actions
Here's that list...DT's that can/ or will be converted to DE's in a 3-4 Defense
Tyson Jackson-LSU- 6’5" 290lbs mid 1st- early 2nd round
Ziggy Hood-Missouri-6’4" 295lbs late 1st -late 2nd round
Sen Marks-Auburn- 6’2" 296lbs mid 2nd- late 3rd round
Fili Moaga- USC- 6’5" 295lbs early 2nd- early 3rd round
Alex Magee-Purdue- 6’4" 295lbs mid 2nd- late 3rd round
Jarron Gilbert-San Jose St- 6’6" 280lbs. late 1st- mid 3rd round
Ricky Francois-LSU- 6’3" 290lbs. early 3rd- late 4th round
Mitch King- Iowa- 6’3" 280lbs. early 3rd- late 4th round
Dorrell Scott-Clemson- 6’4" 320lbs. late 2nd- late 4th round
Sammi Lee Hill-Stillman- 6’4" 328lbs early 3rd- early 5th round
Clinton McDonald-Memphis- 6’3" 285lbs. early 4th- late 6th round
That is a complete list of the best 3-4 DE’s in this upcoming draft.
* BOLD notes the players I would be very happy with if we ended up drafting them.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 13, 2009 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
Complete list?
Jerry Peria from Ole Miss 6’2" 290
What about the beasts from Georgia Tech?
Chris Baker from Hampton 6’2" 300
Pannel Egboh from Stanford, 6’6" 270
Rulon Davis frrom Cal 6’5" 280
Next week should give us a much better idea about who can make the transition
Speaking on Rulon Davis
Heard an interview with him on Movin The Chains on SIRIUS NFL. Kid sounds like he has a good head on his shoulders. And tough as nails. Kind of funny, he didnt play much football in HS, wasnt all that interested in it apparently. Joined the Marines out of HS, got out (not sure, but sounds like he joined as a reservist), went to JC somewhere and played some ball, got activated and went to Iraq for a year, came back and somehow ended up getting recruited by Nebraska, Cal and a couple of other big schools. Somewhere along the way he was in a motorcycle accident, got his legs run over by a semi. DoOc’s didnt know if he would even walk again. Obviously he is. Just something about the way he told the story, its not like he came across as wise beyond his years, but more like everything he went through made him a more focused, disciplined individual and made him realize life is short. Kind hard to explain. I just know that by the time the interview was over I was hoping the ’Boys would spend a pick on him.
I didn't mention Peria Jerry because we have absolutely no chance of drafting him, as he'll go between 13-25 in round 1.
As far as the rest of my exclusions.
Vance Walker - Georgia Tech – 6’2" 293lbs.
I pass on him, not a good fit. I’ll throw out some excerpts from Scott Wright over at Draftcountdown.com :
Average Size and Bulk. -
Pass Rush Limited and not a Sack Artist. -
Doesn’t use hands well. -
Not stout at point of attack. -
Struggles in space. –
Needs to be more physical. –
Not good fit for some teams. + meaning Dallas and it’s 3-4 scheme
Can be man handled by massive O linemen. -
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His partner Richard, on the other hand, I had missed him in my notes, and would be a good canidate to make the DT to 3-4 DE switch.
Darryl Richard - Georgia Tech – 6’4" 290lbs.
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Chris Baker - Hampton – 6’2" 300lbs. I did not include him because I see his value only at DT, not to say he couldn’t play DE, but his game is geared for interior fighting, and not exactly one you wanna see drawn outside covering the flats..I would include him in a list of potential NT in our 3-4 though, and I grade him out at early 3rd to early 5th round.
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Pannel Egboh - Stanford – 6’6" 270lbs. – I’m not gonna get too deep here, but no way is he a 3-4 DE., and even if i was evaluating DE’s in general, I got him graded out at early 6th round to URFA.
Scott Wright of DraftCoundown.com- Rated the 25th rated DE overall…THAT is not including the players I have listed above, so that drops him to about the 40th best DE in the country on a 3-4 chart !!! PASS !
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Rulon Davis - Stanford – 6’5" 281lbs.
Again, Scott Wright listed as 28th overall DE, without my additions…so I grade him out as a 7th round to URFA canidate.
How you even came up with this name is beyond me, as he’s shown nothing in 3 seasons at Stanford. He has missed huge chunks of games over the past two seasons with injuries, and has not produced when he’s been on the field either. He has played in only 21 games through three seasons, including only 7 dstarts this past season. He has a career 40 tackles, and only 5.5 sacks…
Started seven of the nine games he has played, but had his season interrupted by an injury for the second year in a row, missing five games in the middle of the year with a foot injury …
With all that said, His body structure is too long and lean with no bubble to be stout in a 3-4.
PASS !!!!!!!!!
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 13, 2009 9:39 PM CST up reply actions
I'm wondering if Dallas will take an early OL player,
what do they think Montrae Holland will do as a back up next year?
Holland
If, and that’s a big IF, Holland is in shape, he will push Kosier for a starting job; Holland is a mauler, good for a pound it running game if the Cowboys decide to go that way.
by beautifultyrant on Feb 13, 2009 2:44 PM CST reply actions
but if the Cowboys believe he is good to go for next year, he may be the depth
This would just re-enforce the notion that a safety is getting drafted
by AustonianAggie on Feb 13, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
that's quite a list numba, thanks
Aggie, not necessarily. What if D. Robinson is there when we pick?
by beautifultyrant on Feb 13, 2009 4:50 PM CST reply actions
Regarding BSPN's Kiper...
…anybody remember this:
…Bill Tobin who praised Kiper saying, “Who in the hell is Mel Kiper, anyway? I mean, here’s a guy who criticizes everybody, whoever they take. In my knowledge of him, he’s never even put on a jockstrap, he’s never been a player, he’s never been a coach, he’s never been a scout, he’s never been an administrator, and all of a sudden, he’s an expert. Mel Kiper has no more credentials to do what he’s doing than my neighbor, and my neighbor’s a postman and he doesn’t even have season tickets to the NFL.”
I remember seeing that live on TV and laughing my arse off.
Oh, but let’s recall Kiper draft notables, shall we…
* He once snidely remarked of the Colts, “That’s why [they] keep picking number two every year,” after their 1994 second overall selection. Kiper was widely critical of the Colts’ pick that year, Marshall Faulk, who turned out to be such a bust that he is expected to be inducted into the NFL Hall of Fame in the near future.
* In 2005, Kiper praised 8th overall selection, wide receiver Mike Williams, saying, “I’ll see you at his Hall of Fame induction.” Many people have yet to fully recognize the abilities Kiper saw in Williams. These people include coaches, fans, analysts, referees, the players on the teams he played for and against, and anyone else who has seen him in a football jersey. Williams’ journey to the Hall of Fame suffered a slight detour in 2007 when he stopped playing football and no one wanted to sign him.
* In 1999, he touted the potential of Oregon quarterback Akili Smith to exceed at the professional level. Fans have high hopes for Smith to have a great season this year and to make a big statement in his league.
* In 1998, Kiper argued that Ryan Leaf, 2nd overall pick, had an attitude that would be an asset in the NFL. He has since become one of professional football’s most notable quarterbacks.
* In 2001, Kiper predicted a dismal 0-16 season for the New England Patriots. The team finished slightly better than that prediction, managing to win just one Super Bowl the entire season.
Terder, Wartensen, Wiper probably have a combined average .002 when it comes to getting sports-related items right.
BSPN
The Terdwide Feeder of $#!+
B – Bogus
S – Sources
P – Promoting
N – Nonsense
Just one more reason for me to watch NFL Network’s coverage of the draft.
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
You just hating cause you dont have that job.LOL!
The funny thing is he is more respected now than then. Watch him in the 6th round. Knows everything about everybody and has no notes. Yeah he misses who doesnt. I use to hate him but that dude works his ass off collecting info and he is prepared. GMs actually like him and he is connected. He is very knowledgable about college ball.
Kiper
The guy is a walking encyclopedia of draft picks, past and present. He is amazing in that respect.
His personal judgments aside, I think he’s the only reason to watch the BSPN draft coverage. Plus he slaps McShay around when they disagree. Funny stuff.
Feb. 18-24 -- NFL Scouting Combine
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Feb 15, 2009 1:58 AM CST up reply actions
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