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What Kind of Tender(ness) will the Dallas Cowboys Show Miles Austin?

It's begun:

The Miami Herald's Armando Salguero writes that the Dolphins would definitely be interested in Miles Austin, should his free agent tender be low:

I do not expect the Dolphins to make a big splash in restricted free agency. They did not last year. But Tuna Helper Jeff Ireland is going to scour the list below -- this one acquired from the National Football League Players Association by Dolphins In Depth -- and I would not be surprised if he seriously considers at least one player from the list.

Obvious player of interest to the Dolphins: Miles Austin of the Dallas Cowboys.

This should not shock anybody here.  Ireland was in charge of personnel when the Cowboys landed Austin -- though I understand the actual scout who found him is still on Dallas' staff -- and Austin's coming out came in the playoff loss to Seattle, when he returned a kickoff for a touchdown.  Ireland might look on Austin as one of "his guys."

The question then becomes what type of tender the Cowboys will offer?  As a restricted free agent, Austin's compensation will be determined by the amount of money Dallas offers him.  He was undrafted out of Monmouth in New Jersey, so a low tender means the Cowboys would receive no compensation if he were lured away. 

The Dallas Examiner says he's likely to get a second-round tender

This raises other questions.  If Terrell Owens is on the outs, do the Cowboys risk losing Austin?  On the other hand, if you can get Miami's number two, the 56th overall, would you consider that a good trade for Miles Austin? 

I've been in favor of tendering Austin at a first, because I'm concerned about WR depth if the Owens situation further metastasizes.   I wonder if the 56th overall is a great return on investment.  You could see Dallas stay and draft off their needs list with three picks in the 51 to 69th range.

However, the 56th is probably the area where the 2nd round rated talent runs out and the 3rd round talent begins, which is why Miami might seriously consider this.  That does not seem like the best return for Dallas, but two picks in the late 2nd does give the team ammunition to move up into the first round pool.

Lots of food for thought here. 

For what it's worth, the National Football Post's Mike Lombardi thinks getting Miami's 2nd would represent a coup for Dallas.

 

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That's a good idea

Sounds like a win-win with the 2nd round tender.

by hiafex on Feb 16, 2009 12:08 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Nobody will give up a 2nd round pick for Austin

He’s all potential with almost nothing proven on the field. If Jerry believes Austin is the real deal, then he should extend him while he’s cheap.

by birdness on Feb 16, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

my thoughts exactly.

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z

by Wmillion on Feb 16, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Miles austin has potential to be a starting receiver, can stretch the field, and is an endzone threat

Why would you trade that away for a second rounder. That doesn’t make any sense to me. I say tender him at a first

by quincyyyyy on Feb 16, 2009 12:13 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

+1

0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.

by gee-roj on Feb 16, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1000

Don't believe everything you think.

Your causes are cute!!!

by stoproyce on Feb 16, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

and he is just coming into his development potential

Austin was the player I was most excited to see last year, and then his injuries kept him from having a huge year, but he still broke out and showed glimpses of what he is capable of. And I think he’s the one I’ll be most eager to see his development again this year. I think he’s got a great future and has the potential to have an outstanding career, and I do hope at least the next few years of it are with a star on his helm.

by scottmaui on Feb 16, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Understanding the way da Big Tuna historically rebuilds teams...

… I just can’t see him parting with a draft pick that high for a wide receiver.

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by silverblue5 on Feb 16, 2009 12:17 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

+1

Tuna’s valuing draft picks, especially because his will be considerably lower than he had last year.

George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?

by Aaron Novinger on Feb 16, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Raf are the fins the only team that would consider Miles?

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Feb 16, 2009 12:22 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Green Bay probably does

just because they’re tired of getting burned by him.

George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?

by Aaron Novinger on Feb 16, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

HA-HA!! So True, So True!!!!!!!

Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
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by silverblue5 on Feb 16, 2009 2:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+100

~Texas Massacre 08~

by TheHeat on Feb 16, 2009 11:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If the Cowboys are smart

they will tender Austin a first as I don’t see any WRs available in the 2nd rd this year that will be as good as Austin.

Also, if we cut T.O. and lose Austin, we are suddenly extremely thin at WR.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 16, 2009 12:22 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

IMO, not nearly as good as Austin

I think the kid has a chance to be special, he has that kind of talent. His biggest problem seems to be staying healthy.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 16, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't do it if we'd get the 56th pick

So… I guess I agree with the 1st round tender people now.

by hiafex on Feb 16, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i agree with Terry (wow) The first round tender only costs %00000 more and if it nets us a first then so be it but Austin is a known commodity and seems to be on the up trend.

We would be beyond dumb to let him walk especially if the Valley has an ultimate brain fart and releases owens.

Don't believe everything you think.

Your causes are cute!!!

by stoproyce on Feb 16, 2009 12:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

co-sign

Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
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by silverblue5 on Feb 16, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That should be $500,000

Don't believe everything you think.

Your causes are cute!!!

by stoproyce on Feb 16, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone seems to be so gun-ho on dropping Owens…

And now the possibility of losing another wide out seems even further alluring? I just don’t buy this one. Who is going to be the Cowboy’s downfield threat if they’re letting everyone go who fits that bill?

It especially doesn’t make sense to me if they draft another wide out to take Austin’s place. In that scenario they’d be letting go of a player who they’ve developed into a starter just to start all over again with someone completely unproven on the professional level.

0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.

by gee-roj on Feb 16, 2009 12:24 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

One word.

Stanback.

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by GunsUp on Feb 16, 2009 10:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That was

purely in jest. I like the kid, but I don’t think he is the answer at receiver.

When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.

by GunsUp on Feb 16, 2009 10:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i do....

we already have TO, RW11, and Crayton……

i’d take a 2nd rounder to fill more pressing needs, as WR is a strength for us right now…Stanback is more than worthy to be 4th WR/ KO Returner…..draft a speedy slot guy later in the draft…there’s our 5 man WR corp right there..

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 16, 2009 10:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

But

if we cut T.O. loose and lose Austin to FA, then what? Who do we have ahead of Isaiah? We have Williams, Crayton and Hurd. Even if JG took every smart pill in the world and could figure out how to run the baddest offense in the league, those are not my first three choices for receiver.

When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.

by GunsUp on Feb 16, 2009 10:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hurd wont be here...

With no Austin, Hurd where is the depth? TO (if he is here) RW and Crayton who disappears more than he shows up….that’s it. Where is the depth? I want a WR to be drafted, but more for future considerations when TO is gone.

by Boyzfan94 on Feb 16, 2009 10:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

See there is someone out here with a brain cell.

We are trying to give away more receivers than we have. If we get rid of Austin and T.O. stick a fork in us we are done. Unless Jerry does something crazy stupid in FA. We need to keep one of those two around.

When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.

by GunsUp on Feb 16, 2009 10:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

GunsUp...people are looking at the draft pick they are getting in return and forgetting about everything else.

The fact is, what are we getting for that 2nd rounder? We could be drafting another bust. We groomed a WR for 3 years and people are so quick to get rid of him. Hurd won’t be here, Stanback is injured more than he is on the field, TO is old and declining and Crayton turns 30 in two months. Where is the future on this team at WR besides RW???

by Boyzfan94 on Feb 16, 2009 10:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

From

what I understand, we should have enough picks to fill most of the holes we have. I don’t see how adding a second round pick (especially a low second round pick) is going to help us. I’m no expert, but getting the low end of the round pretty much negates the value of that pick. Now, if someone gave us a low first round pick, and we traded down for two high picks in later rounds I would be happy with that.

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by GunsUp on Feb 16, 2009 10:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Raf,

Would Miami send us #44 which they got from Washington for Taylor, or would they send us #56 which is their own pick? I was under the impression that tenders send your own pick if you have it, then go to someone else’s if its not there.

Not that 56 would be bad, but I’d much rather have 44. A lot of talent falls off the board between those spots. If I recall from your draft primer post, the likely break point for 2nd and 3rd round graded prospects will be between those 2 picks.

Are we sure we’d get 44? And is anyone else worried about New England (58) or tennessess (62) making a run as well?

by Ridgelake on Feb 16, 2009 12:24 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Good distinction

I don’t know the answer, I’d be interested to hear the clarification on that

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Feb 16, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, good point

I was wondering why their pick was so high. That makes sense. I need to fix the story.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 16, 2009 12:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Okay, made my change

I do think the 44th pick is worth it. I don’t think the 56th pick is worth it.

the first round usually runs around 18-25 players deep. The 2nd round pool is bigger, but usually begins to run out around the 50th-55th picks.

Dallas would likely not be getting a 2nd round player for Austin. They would be getting a 3rd rounder. That raises the risk of losing him, IMO.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 16, 2009 12:41 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Check out this quote from Lombardi

"Second-round picks are like gold; they have a very low cap cost and they should bring in a four-year starter at very modest money. "

Going off that, I’d consider Chris Canty’s tenure so far in Dallas a significant success from the team’s standpoint, even if he leaves this offseason.

Al Johnson, not so much.

Also gives you an idea of what the standard should be for Martellus Bennett.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Feb 16, 2009 12:51 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Nice point.

The talent pool of college players seems to be getting thicker each year, deep into the 2nd round.

George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?

by Aaron Novinger on Feb 16, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Even if we get the 44th pick

we cannot let austin leave. He showed us last year what kind of threat he can be. The only reciver in the draft I would feel comfortable taking if we let Austin walk is Kenny Britt he can strecth the field and be a deep threat. He will be availible 44th, yet i do not think we can let Austin go, this is going to be his year.

by NJcowboysFAN on Feb 16, 2009 1:08 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

If Jerry can get a 2nd round

pick for Austin, it would be the steal of the draft………

by jvw on Feb 16, 2009 1:09 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Really it's only the linemen we've picked in round 2 that have been busts

Players like Burnett, Martellus, Julius Jones, Anthony Fasano were/are pretty decent contributers to the team.

by mhuff13 on Feb 16, 2009 5:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

you could make a case

that Burnett, Jones and Fasano underachieved while here. Burnett has had many injury problems, Julius was hardly a good player after his 2nd year, and Bennett did more in his rookie year than fasano ever did.

2nd rounder players should yield better results than what we’ve gotten. Not a single consistent starter (maybe bennet will be that kind of guy at some point)

by foyesboys on Feb 16, 2009 11:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Martellus

Is an awesome 2nd round pick. Fasano wasn’t bad at all, either. Julius worked out for the first few years, and Burnett was a decent 2nd rounder, despite only being a 3rd down player. I’d say Dallas does great work in the 2-4th rounds of the draft.

That said, I wouldn’t take a 2nd for Austin at the moment. Especially if we’re without Owens. Austin has 3 years experience. Sure there are probably guys with more potential available at 44 or 56 but none that could challenge him within the next 3-4 years.

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by the red scare on Feb 17, 2009 2:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Keep Austin

Hey – let’s do what we need to do to keep Miles. The nagging injuries are a concern, but we’ve seen him improve each year. I see him as a solid #2 in the future.

BTW – Garcia is now a UFA…..’Boys should make a call to his agent.

by Lobsterman on Feb 16, 2009 1:16 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Only if we're switching to a West Coast offense

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Feb 16, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly

I do believe the two could co-exist. The TO/Garcia drama is from so long ago, I’m pretty sure it’s water under the bridge at this point in their careers. Might even help with the supposedly “toxic” locker room to see two guys with obvious history and friction co-existing for a common goal and purpose.

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by the red scare on Feb 17, 2009 2:56 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess we could really find out if TO has grown up at all

If the good of the team is what he really cares about, he would go out of his way to support bringing in Garcia. His apologists will even have to agree with that. I say he should go public right now to support a look at Garcia.

by StillHateTheGiants on Feb 18, 2009 7:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!!!!!!

Now thats funny, thanks for the laugh.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 18, 2009 12:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Darren Woodson was saying today he thinks T.O. and Garcia will reunite in Dallas.

I’m afraid Garcia could become another Brad Johnson though. A guy you think has something left then you put him and hes dreadful.

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by houseofprime on Feb 16, 2009 6:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt it

Garcia proved he has value this past year, Brad Johnson was wasting away before he ever came here.

"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee

by BigDinSC on Feb 16, 2009 8:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If we tender him and he gets offered a contract

Wouldn’t we be able to match and keep him? Then if we decide not to, we get the pick?

by mhuff13 on Feb 16, 2009 1:21 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

We should get the opportunity to match.

At least that’s my understanding of RFA contracts.

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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 16, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I like Austin

But remember, we had this conversation about Chris Canty a year ago. Everyone was getting hot and bothered and begging Jerry to throw the 1st+3rd round tender on him. Now,, consider if we’d taken the 56th pick in the draft for Canty. We’d be a much happier team now; he did pretty much the same thing he’s always done, provided solid production and neglected to blow people away. And now he’s getting ready to leave, and we’ll likely get a compensatory 4th rounder next year.
Austin’s one of the most oft-injured players on this whole team, a team that couldn’t find reason to move him ahead of Crayton on the depth chart as is. As enamored as we may be by his potential, I think the rational move, in this hypothetical scenario, would be to grant the second round tender and take the pick if it comes along.

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by Conjunction on Feb 16, 2009 1:21 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of compensatory picks

Have we heard, or when do we hear, which ones we get for the guys we lost last year?

by mhuff13 on Feb 16, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not yet

I think It’s announced in March.

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by Conjunction on Feb 16, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd really like to know

Julius tailed off at the end of the year, but Reeves was a solid start all year for houston.

And on this topic, i highly doubt we could get a 4th for Canty.

by foyesboys on Feb 16, 2009 11:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you mean 4th as a compensory pick

or 4th in a trade? Now is a hard time to trade for picks

by AustonianAggie on Feb 17, 2009 10:35 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

There's a Good Argument

To be made for your case. We often as fans tend to fall in love with the flashes of brilliance, and ignore how few they are, or injury issues for the player. Austin has what, less than than 20 catches in this career? And couldn’t stay healthy in his “breakout” year? A second rounder doesn’t sound so bad, although if the draft falls like Raf says pick 56 may be too close to the talent ledge for comfort.

I’m kind of on the fence on this one. I think a first rounder is too high, and a third rounder too low. I would be tempted to take pick 56 from the Dolphins.

Another way of looking at it is we picked up a free agent and flipped him for a second rounder; that’s a heck of a deal. If he goes on to have a career like Steve Smith, we should have hung on to him. If he has a career like Randall Williams, I’d take it in a second. However, if we let Austin walk, we will have to hang on to Owens for another year.

by kindablue on Feb 16, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

then we select S-Delmas, S-Johnson, or S-Chung at #51,

and DL- Ziggy Hood, Jarron Gilbert, Fili Moala at #56

or if you really wanna get creative, we package our 2010 1st rounder, along with our newly aquired second rounder(#56), and add our 3rd rounder (#69), and trade for the 9th-10th overall pick and select NT- BJ Raji of Boston College, and still leaves us with a 2nd rounder to select a Safety or OL.

or package our 2010 first rounder and our newly aquired 2nd rounder, and trade for the 14th-15th overall pick and select MLB- Rey Maualuga of USC. and still leaves us with our 2nd and 3rd…..

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 16, 2009 10:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

i like all those safteys better than moore

Brace will be around until the 3rd so we could select a ILB or even a QB with the extra 2nd

by Becho on Feb 16, 2009 11:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

NTs have a tendency to slide

And Brace had a 3rd round projection on most sites I saw. He should be there. And if he’s not, shame-but no sweat. It’d be nice to have him, but this team can make do with what they have and adding depth at WR, ILB, OLB, or DE could prove more prudent with the right players.

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by Conjunction on Feb 16, 2009 10:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not NTs who are prototypical 3-4 DT size

Not many of those in this draft and plenty of teams need one.

by hiafex on Feb 17, 2009 6:21 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Case study: Alan Branch

Projected as a top 10 pick by many experts as recently as 2 weeks before the draft, anda s I recall he slid into round two.

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by Conjunction on Feb 17, 2009 7:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Your crazy...Austin is going to be the #3 on this team come Sept....Brace will be gone at #56

Austin is not going anywhere. With TO rumored to be cut at some point there not letting him go..

by Boyzfan94 on Feb 16, 2009 9:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If TO's gone

I’d say Austin immediately becomes our #2. Roy E isn’t a “stretch the field” receiver, and Patrick Crayton is no speed demon either. Austin would be Dallas’s only real deep threat without TO. He’s one of only three players(TO and Felix being the other two) currently on the roster that has that home run threat to defenses.

If TO stays, yeah, I’d say Austin sits put at 3rd of 4th receiver.

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by the red scare on Feb 17, 2009 3:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to see Austin given a chance to take over a starter spot

too many roster positions seem to be an entitlement, I’d like to see competition for these positions

by AustonianAggie on Feb 17, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Are you sure he couldn't beat RW2 in an open competition?

I think Austin had more catches last year, at least for Dallas.

I’d like to see RW2 live up to expectations, I saw his college career and he has all-world written all over him, but all the NFL has been waiting on that

by AustonianAggie on Feb 17, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Gosh, an extra second rounder does sound tempting.

We can grab Murphy from Florida or Iglesias for Oklahoma.

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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 16, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Who's available at 56?

I can’t see the Phish giving up that pick, but I would be willing to look past the WRs.

ILB like (Beckwith or Ellerbe)
One or more of the D linemen (Ziggy Hood, Fili Moala, Ron Brace)
One of the safeties (Delmas, Chung Johnson, Cook)
Big OG like (Levitre or Johnson)
Future LT (Beatty or Kropog)
Or a ready to go RT (Loadholt)

by birdness on Feb 16, 2009 7:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yep those players look great for Austin

I would hate to see him go but my wife has a huge crush on him so good riddance

by Becho on Feb 16, 2009 11:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Iglesias

Is so hit and miss. Last year he had butter fingers. This year his hands were great, but he practically handed Florida two interceptions in the national championship…almost literally.

But, being an OU guy, I’d love to see him wearing a star on his helmet, but I’d be hesitant to trade Austin to get him.

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by the red scare on Feb 17, 2009 3:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

let's keep this all in perspective people...

We wouldn’t be getting rid of Austin to use the pick on a WR…..the 2nd rounder we gain for losing Austin would surely be used on a S, OL, DL, or LB……..NOT WR

we can pick up a WR in the fourth or later…..and still have TO, RW11, Crayton, and Stanback going into the draft…..don’t even have to draft one…can pick up a FA like these on the cheap:

Nate Washington-slot
Bryant Johnson
Michael Clayton
Marty Booker
Jerry Porter
David Patten
Dante Hall-slot

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 17, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

These guys are on the way down and Austin has the look of a guy on the way up.

I think these guys would cost more and, once again, your bringng in someone elses headaches. Its not an easy decision no matter what either side says. If you bring in a top guard,NT, or Safety then it will or should play out well. Of course, the 2010 draft you are trying to draft a WR high again.

by squidlo97 on Feb 17, 2009 1:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm cool with taking the 56th

and losing Miles if we get Nate, that’s the only one on that list I’m interested in

by cow_fanatic on Feb 17, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I've about

decided that all these points are getting circular. There are good reasons to see Austin go in the right circumstances, and there are good reasons to see Austin stay in the right circumstances. The only problem is no one knows what circumstances are going to develop. We can only project past performance to future results. I like the kid, but if we get a high second for him, then I’m game. Anything less than we already have is too low.

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by GunsUp on Feb 17, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately, from what I've heard

Nate Washington is pretty hot right now because of Pitts. success. He won’t come cheap from what I’ve heard

by texstar on Feb 17, 2009 1:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah...I liked what i saw of Nate Washington..he'd be my choice

and NO he’s not going to break the bank……Austin would cost 2.6 million to tender first round….I am sure Nate Washington won’t get much more than that…3 mm tops…

So who would you rather have ? A veteran, proven slot WR with speed, or a developemental speedy guy who has proven to be very injury prone, if nothing else….

We all know a slot WR is what we need……

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 17, 2009 5:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

True, but I believe

Philly and Giants are both looking at him as well, Just conjecture on my part. Of course, I’d rather have Washington. My fear for Austin is he tends to be a little injury prone. However, they may have just rushed him back too soon.

by texstar on Feb 17, 2009 5:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

that's not whats happening....

1. give Austin 2nd round tender…
2. another team picks up Austin
3. we get their 2nd round pick
4. we draft a Safety or O lineman with that pick
5. we add an additional vet WR to our roster for less than the 2.6 mm to tender Austin

ok….WR & Safety > Austin

got it now ??

btw….

Nate Washington-
’06-35 rec 624 yds 17.8 ypc 4 TD
’07-29 rec 450 yds 15.5 ypc 5 TD
’08-40 rec 631 yds 15.8 ypc 3 TD

Miles Austin -

last 3 seasons – 18 rec 354 yards 3 TD

What’s your reasoning again ???

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 17, 2009 9:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I believe he had moved ahead of Crayton

With the multiple injuries he had last year it’s hard to say for sure but I think he had displaced Crayton.

by StillHateTheGiants on Feb 18, 2009 7:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

huh ?? lol
With the multiple injuries he had last year it’s hard to say for sure

even though Crayton was there for every game, and caught several more balls than Austin….usually your third WR is 3rd in receptions among Wideouts on your team as well…Crayton was, not Austin..

so, he (Austin) was injured so many times last season, that your not exactly sure if he was ever considered our 3rd WR or not ??

what’s wrong with that whole sentence ??

injured much ??

look, i wouldn’t mind the guy coming back for the tendered amount….but he’s shown me nothing to believe he’s the next great WR here in big D. Until he shows me a full season staying healthy, i would never extend a contract to him…

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 19, 2009 5:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You are correct Giants....

He was on his way before getting injured. Crayton even started to complain a little if you remember.

by Boyzfan94 on Feb 20, 2009 9:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree he's more talented than Crayton....but realistically, that's not saying much...

i would rather have a mediocre performer that’s there for me each week, than a rising stud, that’s sporadically gonna give you some playing time, due to constant injuries..

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 21, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll take Miles over RW2 right now

I hope they show him some tenderness.

by ym on Feb 16, 2009 1:44 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Raf

when is the deadline to make the tender to RFAs?

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 16, 2009 1:47 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Midnight Feb 27th i believe.

Don't believe everything you think.

Your causes are cute!!!

by stoproyce on Feb 16, 2009 2:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

thanks

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 16, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree totally...

Give him the first rounder, I like what I’ve seen from him so far.

by AirforceBat on Feb 16, 2009 4:12 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I dont know

After all his injuries, i dont feel that good about austin…try and get a first rounder, but if we keep him i dont think he’ll be anything special, probably going to draw tons of comparisons to terry glenn but not even come close to terry’s skill

by jkyu2006 on Feb 16, 2009 4:14 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

+1 kindablue

Remember Danny Amendola? Fans think so naively these days. A comparison to another good reciever, some flashes of skill in training camp, doesnt mean much. Austin is good,but i dont think hes as good as some people are seeing him to be.

I say keep TO, BTW. We need a (excuse the racial profiling) big African American guy to punt TO and backhand him across the cheeks. TO is too good to lose.

TERRY TATE, OFFICE LINEBACKER!

by jkyu2006 on Feb 16, 2009 4:18 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Good Comparison

As fans, we dearly want our team to win. But rooting for our team can often blind ourselves to the reality of the situation. Everyone was hoping Amendola would succeed, but he looked completely overmatched in preseason games. At some point, we have to be willing to put aside the wishful thinking and realize that management needs to make rational, cool-headed decisions.

by kindablue on Feb 16, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Austin didnt just flash in training camp, he flashed in games and several big plays.

If you do want to use a Texas Tech player to compare him to try Wes Welker. Another 3rd year player who was offered a tender to low with similar stats, KR skills, and position. That dude learned in Miami and blew up In N.E. The question is," Is Austin ready to blow up?"

By the way, Danny freaking Amendola. He never flashed even in preseason games. Lame comparison.

by squidlo97 on Feb 16, 2009 5:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If You Make a Direct Comparison

That is, take it literally as “Austin equates to Amendola”, I agree it has its shortcomings.

On the other hand, if you understand his underlying point, that fans often (usually) overreact and are guilty of wishful thinking that clouds rational decision making, it’s actually a very good analogy. Fans were in a near hysteria last year during minicamps over the guy, until it became painfully obvious he could not play at the NFL level. Fans need to be aware they should not be going overboard on a guy whose career catches are in the teens and has an injury history.

by kindablue on Feb 16, 2009 7:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep the overreaction...

Happens everywhere.

I was scratching my head at the Amendola one, when people thought he was going to be a savior.

by AirforceBat on Feb 16, 2009 7:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Iliked Austin when everyone was bitching he dropped the ball too much. I pointed out that he was struggling with his hands but the dude always got good seperation.

I dont get over hyped about to many players and you will find Im patient with them almost too a fault with young guys.(I just recently got off the Carp train) Im not someone who thinks 1st rounders should start the 1st year.

Wes Welker I think is a perfect example. A guy that has got it or not. If you think he got it 1st round tender if not 3rd. If its a 2nd round tender he will be catching balls in Miami or NE.

by squidlo97 on Feb 17, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

My Comments

And I think the point made by jkyu2006 were not addressed to you personally. Just to generally point out that fans tend to have an optimistic perspective that causes them to overvalue their favorite players.

A business manager (for example) doesn’t have the luxury of pet projects. He or she needs to make a dispassionate decision, not caught up in wishful thinking. Note that few if any people are saying Miles Austin is a bad player; just that the value we assign to him should reflect a realistic and sober of what he is actually worth. Automatically assuming he’s worth a first rounder, without careful deliberation of his worth, taking into account his injury history for example, will lead us to overpaying for him, like we did for Roy Williams. A good manager balances those costs and benefits to run the most efficient organization.

by kindablue on Feb 17, 2009 5:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ill go with along with that. I just think he is a guy worth keeping.

I also think its a better investment to invest in your own guys. Austin is already part of this team. Knows the system. The problem is its draft time and the draftniks all want to work with as many draft picks as they can. They cant see past April and they over rate their ability to evaluate.

by squidlo97 on Feb 17, 2009 6:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

excellent comment kindablue....

your on the money…Think of any 1st round pick that has gone his first 3 seasons, and only caught 18 balls for 354 yards…..Would you consider him worthy of a 1 round contract anymore ??? I THINK NOT…You’d call him a complete bust and want no part of extending his contract (Robert Meachem) for instance, (Even though Meachem showed quite a bit of promise in his first 3 starts this past season, before again going down to season ending injury, and I wouldn’t label him a bust quite yet)….Michal Williams- of Detroit, or someone like that would have been a better example…

So what has Miles Austin shown over three seasons that makes him worthy of a first round draft pick contract status ?? NOTHING to prove he’s worthy of a first round contract extention.

Personally, I’d consider a 2nd round tender a bit too much as well, but I could understand the reasoning behind making it a 2nd round tender, in a sense to protect the chances of losing him, (which I don’t want to…btw), but also lures in the possibility of gaining great value from an initial URFA……which takes from Paul to pay Peter….but leaves Paul still standing in pretty good shape…get it ?

WR’s are a dime a dozen, and if your not producing more than 13 catches by your third season, your probably not the hottest stud available out there…

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 17, 2009 9:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So what has Miles Austin shown over three seasons that makes him worthy of a first round draft pick contract status ??

Comparable numbers to Meacham who was a 1st rounder. You just don’t piss away undrafted FA receivers after three years because they were an undrafted FA. You are gambling that the 2nd round pick we get for Austin is going to provide more potential than a known quantity in Austin. You can’t gamble at every position and if you do gamble, utilize information you have about he player. We know Austin has the cabability of playing at this level, we don’t know that about any draft pick we obtain for him

by cow_fanatic on Feb 17, 2009 9:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well i guess your idea of known quantity differs greatly from mine..

i personally don’t believe 18 reception in 37 career games constitutes salary comparable to a first round draft choice. We don’t know if Austin can remain healthy enough to play at this level. That’s all there is to it…I’ll concede that Austin is deserving of a second round tender, only due to the few flashes of potential he displayed while healthy , this past season….I will give him that much.

But if your here suggesting we should be applying a first round tender on Austin instead, your preaching to the wrong choir. If he comes back and plays lights out in his fourth season, and remains healthy for the entire season, then I guess he’s be worthy of a Crayton like extention late in the season, or after the season…But to think he’s comparable to or has the same projected upside of a Michael Crabtree, Jeremy Maclin, Percy Harvin, or Darrius Heyward Bey, hence deserving of a 1st round tender is very debatable…as I’d take any one of those guys over Austin in a heartbeat…

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 18, 2009 6:30 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I don’t yhink he’s worth a 1st round tender but if what I have read on this site that the difference between a 1st and 2nd round tender is only $500,000, why not tender him a first and make sure you’re going to have him next year. This way, you can solidify your draft board a little quicker.

If you get a 1st rounder for him, go ahead and jumble up your draft board

by cow_fanatic on Feb 18, 2009 9:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well...the fact is the tender amount for a first rounder is at least 600,000 more...since we're throwing numbers out there...

Hey, it’s not my money….but 600,000 dollars isn’t chicken scratch where i come from….In fact, you can sign the #51 player in this upcoming draft for 600,000………so it’s not a minimal amount of money as some like to throw out there to help their stance….

Let’s put it this way, Austin’s ’08 contract paid him $450,000 for 13 receptions.

By giving him a first round tender, you are now giving him a 550% raise..which is understandable if your a quality starter, or someone that produced decent numbers and was injury free for the length of his initial contract.

If Jerry really feels he’s a big part of the future here, he should negotiate a long term deal with minimal bonus money, say 4 years / 10 million….which could lower his ‘09 cap hit, below the 2.6 tender amount, but give him an opportunity to cut bait if Austin doesn’t work out…

we’ll see what happens…

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 19, 2009 5:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Neither is the Welker comparison....Welker was an integral part of Miami's offense his final season there..
Another 3rd year player who was offered a tender to low with similar stats, KR skills, and position.

accounting for 67 receptions and 687 yards while starting a few games, compared to 13 catches and missing half the season to injury….They both showed promise and upside, but only one(welker) with a large body of work to evaluate, ….IT was a low offer for Welker i believe, as he had proved he can take the rigors of the NFL and put up good numbers….A second is a reasonable offer to Austin…I’m not saying I hope he’s taken, but I’m not saying I’m sold on him either, year 1-nothing, year 2-drops and injuries, year 3-hope and promise, and more injuries….what do years 4 through 8 have in store for us ??? nobody can answer that……

hardly similiar stats to compare the two…….is all i’m saying…

NE got a deal by getting Welker for a 2nd rounder

Dallas would get a deal if we were to lose Austin for a 2nd rounder, as we have three veteran WR’s already on the roster, and can use a later round pick on a quick slot type prospect…

Getting a 2nd rounder in return for an undrafted player sounds like value to me…

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 16, 2009 8:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

I don’t think its bad either way.

I just think it forces you to draft a wideout if TO is let go.

by AirforceBat on Feb 16, 2009 10:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wes played on a team so bad that Terry would be an integral part of the offense.

Miles played this past year with Witten and TO. He also had high price trade and injuries.
N.E got a steal for no other reason other than Wes produced when he got there. If he bombed it would have been a bust. The stakes are the same. We need to keep some youth at the position since TO has 1 year here at most. He is also older and has had several years(not the last year)with missing time with injuries. RW has had some injuries issues. Clayton unfortunately has regressed. If I could trade Brace or a top safety, for Austin, I would but I only get a draft pick and limited gaurantees on who will be there.

I would like for our team to be cognizant of keeping a good mixture of younger and older players on our roster. It sucks when everyone gets old at the same time. We have developed this guy and for 1st round tender money, we arent really out of that much money. Its far from a cap buster so it seems safe to me.

by squidlo97 on Feb 17, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know, its worth keeping the players you develop

and Year 1 was not nothing, Year 1 was KR for TD in the playoffs. He’s made plays when he’s been on the field, big plays, discounting 2007’s end of year redskins game

by AustonianAggie on Feb 17, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's kind of funny that you'ld compare two players on the roster simultaneously

And one of them showed himself to be a better player. Austin has a legit shot at being an elite WR. He’s not there, and I’m not saying he ever will be, but he’s got a chance, something Amedola didn’t have. size, speed. The thing about Austin that impressed me the most was how obvious his improvements have been. Everything one could of been critical about in the past, his hands, stiff route running, flexibility, he’s fixed

by AustonianAggie on Feb 16, 2009 6:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think that is a very good comparison.

Austin might not be anything huge, but he has made big plays in games.

He at least should get the second round tender, but if you let Owens go you probably HAVE to give him a first round tender.

by AirforceBat on Feb 16, 2009 6:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't excuse it

Crass, tacky, racist and stupid.
Welcome to the boards. I hope you’re gone soon.
On any other board I’d rip you a new one. I erased some gems because I respect the others here, something you cannot say.

by Joey2zs on Feb 16, 2009 7:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Draft Choices.........we should be talking about

Our RECENT COACHING CHANGE>………….what is the one thing an owner can do anytime he wants and get anybody not currently a head coach for another team.\

Coaching Change. We should be talking about will Tony Romo be a student of Shanahan’s newly installed WCO. Or will Garret stick around now that Holmgrem is the GM? Or will the Cowher Scowl finally bring discipline to the locker room.

Wade is a lame duck Defensive Coordinator who is pretending to be a HC. So much so that he wanted to bring in support……………maybe Jerry will hire Clergy or a therapist. But Dan Reeves a Landry guy and former Cowboy and coach…………cannot come to terms with Jerry Jones.

I think the Circus starts not with the bearded woman or the crocodile man or bat boy. It starts with Barnum and Bailey…………or in this case Jerry Jones.

TO is a scapegoat………..a patsy………..if he is cut he alone is not the cancer in the locker room.

We need an SOB not a son of a bum…………….Carter was a nice guy but a lousy President…………….we need a Reagan. Nice guys finish last.

I think Jerry Jones had a Chance………….he interviewed a coach that is restoring order to a locker room and keeping primadonna’s in check. His name is Mike Singletary and he talked about the Locker Room not being SACRED. Sound familiar.

You wanna change things in Dallas. Hire a coach………and shut the media out of the locker room. Cancel the Michael Irvin upcoming American Idol auditions for the Cowboys………..or is this the real backup plan for TO and RW2………Irvin’s curtain calls?

Parcells made plenty of mistakes on Draft day and in game planning……….but one thing he did do……..was rein in GM Jerry and keep him on short leash. Like it or not that is the our problem. We are looking down the barrel of another run at 5-11 seasons if Jerry doesn’t hire somebody he thinks is at least as smart as he is about football. Does anybody really think Jerry wants Wade………..or is just that Holmgrem, Cowher and Shanahan would all want more control than GM Jerry is going to give up. After all Mrs Doubtfire walked off and then took his heir apparent and scouting director with him. Jerry was fine with it though………..cuz everybody that was left told him the Robe that Parcells designed and made was ROYAL and beautiful. No Emperor you look Regal. Turns out he was standing there in his boxers and his business socks…………..

GM Jerry needs an equal in Valley Ranch to steer the ship right. Parcells is no more Saint than Jimmy Johnson was………..but the guy knows how to run a football team and has turned around too many franchises for it just to be luck or timing.

Oh BTW big Bill has a clause that he can leave anytime if a better job comes a calling. Hey Jerry suck it up and call Bill. You need somebody’s help when it comes to shopping for groceries and cooking the meals.

by Jon B. on Feb 16, 2009 4:33 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Very nice

Out of that long post you just had to pull out the 7 or so words that were political. lol

by mhuff13 on Feb 16, 2009 6:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Carter was a terrible President. Bush was a terrible President. Doesn’t have anything to do with Right or Left.

by Jon B. on Feb 16, 2009 6:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The only right or left I care about here

Is pitch to Felix Jones left or right.

by mhuff13 on Feb 16, 2009 10:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

there wasnt nearly enuff of that last year was there…………

by Jon B. on Feb 16, 2009 11:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Too early

to bail on the coaching staff. The one management change I would like to see is Stephen Jones step up as GM and Jerry back away. Not realistic, I know, but I can dream…

It is up to Wade to get the defense to roaring, and he has one more year to get it done. Garrett gets a chance to get the offense rolling with a full complement of RB and OL personnel and minus the distraction of an aging prima dona who will go unnamed.

If Wade and Garrett don’t deliver big time this year, I will be part of the “get a rope” contingent. Tom Landry gave players three years to hit their stride; we should give Phillips and Garrett at least that much time.

Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.

by OskieOskie on Feb 16, 2009 6:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wrong in my opinion

Wade is the HC. I don’t think you get to blame JG’s growing pains on a consemate loser and I hope JG doesn’t pick up any bad habits from the Hillbilly Clown. We’ve seen what a joke he has turned this team in to and I don’t think he has the mental resources to make this team better.

I agree with the management change but regardlss, management hired Wade to do a job and he has done it poorly. He should have been fired the day after that supid Pepsi commercial aired. He’s a joke

by cow_fanatic on Feb 16, 2009 6:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I must be confused...

…did I miss the year when Parcells took us to the Super Bowl? I thought I had been around for his entire tenure.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Feb 16, 2009 6:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Just like you missed

the talent level increase from the day he got here to the day he left

by cow_fanatic on Feb 16, 2009 6:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well cutting guys like Willie Blade is easy

Maybe we’re under some spell of talent increase. Are we actually sure we’re more talented? Lets also not discount what trading two 1st round picks did to our talent, as well as post-90s dynasty salary cap hell did.

Normally I agree that Tuna increased Dallas’ talent, I’m just not sure how much or what I’m actually using to measure this.

by AustonianAggie on Feb 16, 2009 6:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Look at the talent level

of the Dolphins before he arrived. Look at the talent level of the Jets and Giants before he got there as well. Just one man’s opinion

by cow_fanatic on Feb 16, 2009 6:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Be real

The Boys sucked down 3 straight 6-10 seasons. Bill coached Quincy effing Carter to the playoffs. Bill drafted first with the Phish because they finished last. With Bill onboard, the Phish went to the playoffs with a castoff QB.

Bill is not perfect, but there is no doubt about his results.

by birdness on Feb 16, 2009 7:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh for sure...

I think because the expecatations were so high, that Bill underachieved as a coach.

But the team was definitly more talented after he left.

Bill’s main mistake was not adapting his style to his talent, but trying to adapt his talent to his style.

Everybody remembers the Tony Romo fumbled snap in Seattle, but good god that was conservative playcalling.

That is probably my biggest gripe when Bill was a coach. He played way too close to the vest sometimes.

by AirforceBat on Feb 16, 2009 7:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

1st round tender

It’s a tough one. It seems lately receivers are falling more and more in the draft. If we got Miami’s 44th you would most certainly be able to draft in the top 5 available WR’s which would be Hakeem Nicks or Darrius Heyward-Bay. This is assuming you draft a WR with your 1st pick of the draft in order to replace the depth you lost when you let him go.

However, if you get the 44th you will also put yourself in the position to draft Duke Robinson(the best guard in the draft) or possibly the top rated safety.

The knock of letting him go is the known quantity and your draft pick is unknown. I say let him go for the 44th and no if it’s the 56th

by cow_fanatic on Feb 16, 2009 4:59 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

A second is perfect

If somebody wants him that bad, let him walk and use the pick to fill a more pressing need.

TELL MITCH ALBOM THAT IF HE'S GOT A PROBLEM WITH BLOGGERS, THEN HE CAN COME SEE ME IN THE OCTAGON.

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 16, 2009 5:26 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

The problem with taking the 2nd round pick and then drafting a WR is that WRs have the highest bust rate of any position.

Thats a very dangerous move. Letting him go and all but empting our WR cabinet of young guys is not good management. You got to keep a mixture of young guys and old guys. A first round tender doesnt seem excessive money if he is going to get significant playing time this year and becoming TOs replacement(this year or next) Pay him his tender but lots of performance bonuses.

by squidlo97 on Feb 16, 2009 5:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just not seeing how he can be T.O.'s replacement

I mean the guy has 18 career catches. Don’t you think that after a few years, where he might have gotten more playing time if he was only healthy, that it shows a pattern?

You can’t rely on a young guy with ‘potential’ that can’t stay on the field. Same goes with Stanback. Something about that guy, he just gets hurt waaayyyyy too much.

by mhuff13 on Feb 16, 2009 6:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You aren't expecting him to be TO's replacement.

You’re hoping he’s a guy who can develop into a decent #2 or a really good #3.

I don’t think anyone expects him to be a #1 wr.

by AirforceBat on Feb 16, 2009 6:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

squidlo97 said in his post

"and becoming TOs replacement(his year or next)

by mhuff13 on Feb 16, 2009 10:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not arguing with you...

I’m just making a statement.

Chill the F out.

by AirforceBat on Feb 16, 2009 10:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

On that note

I will bid you good night. You boys fight nice. Okay?

When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.

by GunsUp on Feb 16, 2009 10:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

haha

God I hate Texas Tech…. : )

by AirforceBat on Feb 16, 2009 11:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ROFL

I just responded. No need to go off the deep end.

by mhuff13 on Feb 17, 2009 4:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not necessarily TOs replacement in terms of production. Thats not going to happen.

Im meant ,TO gas tank is running low and a WR will need to be ready to slide into his spot.(this year or next) I dont mean as a HOF caliber replacement. A hard working guy that can produce on this level and someone you can win with.

by squidlo97 on Feb 17, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder if SF fans were saying the same thing

about an up and coming receiver that played on the same team as Jerry Rice?

It’s a good thing SF gave T.O. a chance to play and not just assume he couldn’t stay healthy and there were no other HOF WRs left in the world.

by cow_fanatic on Feb 16, 2009 6:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

True.

But once again I don’t think you’re thinking Austin is going to be TO like.

You are more hoping he’ll develop into a very good #2.

by AirforceBat on Feb 16, 2009 6:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No, not at all

and I was responding to mhuff just to cut down the confusion. I hate the argument you don’t have a WR a chance to start until he has no less than 150 catches.

It’s like not receiving a job and in the interview they tell you you don’t have enough experience. No sh**! I can’t get the experience until you give me the chance

by cow_fanatic on Feb 16, 2009 6:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep... very true.

I don’t look at someone’s development like Austin’s by number of catches.

He’s the #3 or #4 option right now on most plays.

Last year I thought he did exactly what a guy that is that option does. Makes a big catch now and then.

I think it would be a mistake to let him go.

by AirforceBat on Feb 16, 2009 6:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It depends on the compensation

but I tend to agree with you. There’s a reason we haven;’ draft a receiver in a while and it’s because there are more busts than bargains with high draft picks. That’s why I still don’t have a problem with giving up #20 for a proven WR in the league. Any draft pick is a crap shoot

I think the Cowboys really want him to win the #3 over Crayton because of the speed difference.

by cow_fanatic on Feb 16, 2009 7:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Has nothing to do with the number of catches for him to start

Has everything to do with him not staying healthy, which is why he has 18 catches. It’s hard to give the kid the chance when he can’t stay healthy.

Where did I say anything about having a certain # of catches before they can start?

by mhuff13 on Feb 16, 2009 10:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You're implying the amount of

catches he has after 3 years precludes him from being a viable starting wide receiver. I would submit if you are a undrafted FA WR you might have some things to work on to make himself a better player than others. Be patient.

by cow_fanatic on Feb 17, 2009 5:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

No I am implying that his inability to stay healthy

Keeps him from being a viable starting WR. Which also affects the number of catches he has had so far in his career.

by mhuff13 on Feb 17, 2009 5:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How many years

has he been a blip on the WR radar for this team and been injured? He’s an undrafted FA moving in to his 4th year I think. That means he has had 3 years to make a team and then be a viable part of the offense. He’s not moving at a snail’s pace.

He returned a kickoff in the playoffs his first year. Give him some time. He’s not a lost cause. Losing his rights for an unknown quantity in the 2nd round is just plain stupid

by cow_fanatic on Feb 17, 2009 9:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry but 18 catches in 3 years is a snail's pace

I hope we keep him, and he stays healthy, and he produces. But I also think that is asking a lot.

by mhuff13 on Feb 18, 2009 9:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You have to look at how he racked up the numbers

His first 2 years, nothing, he was the KO returner and gunner while learning how to play WR in the NFL.

3rd year (2008) during a 5 game stretch early in the year he showed he could compete as a WR.

In that span his stats were

10 rec 229 yd 22.9 avg 3 TD

Now consider he started as a ST guy from a small school and actually worked himself into consideration to become our #2 WR before he was injured on a ST play.

That should make fans stand up and take notice. If he stays healthy, he won’t be on ST anymore, he’ll be a full time WR, and based on the progress he’s made from year 1 to year 3, I’m excited to see what he looks like in year 4.

Feb. 18-24 -- NFL Scouting Combine
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft

by APerfectStar on Feb 19, 2009 9:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

But there is a key phrase Tom.
If he stays healthy, he won’t be on ST anymore, he’ll be a full time WR,

First things first…He has not gone any lengthy stretch at all without having an injury…He would also have to perform on special teams to some extent, cuz he’s not part of the top 2 rotation at WR…..If you take that one GB game away, he’s got 11 catches-163 yards, and 1 TD……that doesn’t warrant 1st round tender consideration….sorry..

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 21, 2009 3:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Come on

If Terrell Owens was always hurt and never played and had Austin’s numbers after three years, then the CORRECT thing to do is trade him. You’d be trading up from a free agent you have nothing invested in and who has never done anything to extra 2nd round pick.
HOF WR or not, the Niners sucked. The Cowboys have a HOF WR on their roster, and can’t win crap. They need to be clear eyed about what’s needed on their roster to compete.

by Joey2zs on Feb 16, 2009 7:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Im not saying to draft a WR in the second

were fine at the position if we keep Owens.

TELL MITCH ALBOM THAT IF HE'S GOT A PROBLEM WITH BLOGGERS, THEN HE CAN COME SEE ME IN THE OCTAGON.

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 16, 2009 7:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1 Squido

Your giving up on a fast, talented player the organization invested 4 years in. Considering we have a 35 yr. old declining WR on his way out the door and another 30+ WR in Crayton, a UFA in Hurd and a project player in Stanback, doesn’t sound like a good idea to let him walk. Ausin will be given the first round tender.

by Boyzfan94 on Feb 16, 2009 9:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

crayton's like 29

but i agree that austin should stay. He’s shown flashes of brilliance in limited play, he’s a team player and can be a #2 guy sometime in his career. I like Hurd too, he’s a good possession reciever, they’re not bad as undrafted guys, why give away something that we know works and that we know can get better.

"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips

by MrMinority on Feb 16, 2009 9:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hurd is a UFA and there is no signs they are resigning him..

Austin has the best chance of being the #2 on this team. Getting a second round draft pick for Austin is not worth it IMO. Not when your drafting a position that is high risk to begin with. Not when you invested 4 years in the guy. We haven’t faired well with 2nd round picks…I’ll pass…….it will be a huge mistake to let him walk.

Jerry will do whatever he can to keep him away from Bill.

by Boyzfan94 on Feb 16, 2009 9:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The only problem

with that. Is, if we let him go then receiver becomes the pressing need. And again, only if T.O. is really gone. If that is the case receiver becomes the really pressing need, and drafting a bust receiver is just so not in my hopes or dreams. Maybe, Crabtree will be undrafted.

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by GunsUp on Feb 16, 2009 10:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

who said we need to draft an unknown rookie WR id we were to lose Austin ??

You want proven veterans with on field NFL experience…..Take your pick guy……We can choose any of they older vets for minimum contracts to be our 3rd-4th WR…..

1. Antonio Bryant Tampa Bay
2. T.J. Houshmandzadeh Cincinnati
3. Devery Henderson New Orleans speedy deep threat / slot
4. Nate Washington Pittsburgh speedy deep threat / slot
5. Michael Clayton Tampa Bay deep threat
6. Brandon Jones Tennessee
7. Bryant Johnson San Francisco savvy vet with spped
8. Brandon Lloyd Chicago
9. Reggie Williams Jacksonville Contract Option

10. Mike Furrey Detroit Recent Salary Cut

11. Justin McCareins Tennessee
12. Jabar Gaffney New England
13. Shaun McDonald Detroit
14. Marty Booker Chicago Recent Salary Cut
15. Darrell Jackson Denver slot
16. Dane Looker St. Louis
17. Bobby Engram Seattle
18. Koren Robinson Seattle speed / return ability
19. Ashley Lelie Oakland
20. Amani Toomer N.Y. Giants
21. Jerry Porter Jacksonville Recent Salary Cut savvy vet
22. Mark Jones Carolina
23. David Patten New Orleans Recent Salary Cut
24. Drew Carter Oakland Injured Reserve speed
25. Terrence Copper Baltimore
26. Dante Hall St. Louis speedy slot guy / returner

 
Key Restricted Free Agents
 
Rank Name Current Team Current Status
- Malcom Floyd San Diego
- Lance Moore New Orleans
- Miles Austin Dallas
- Demetrius Williams Baltimore
- David Anderson Houston
- Hank Baskett Philadelphia
- Courtney Roby New Orleans Injured Reserve
- Ruvell Martin Green Bay
- Glen Holt Cincinnati
- Jeff Webb Kansas City
- Sam Hurd Dallas Injured Reserve

 

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 17, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How many of the above WRs

would you give a 2nd round draft choice for?

by cow_fanatic on Feb 17, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

none right now

if it was week 3 of preseason, wr #s 10-3

week 4, Hank Baskett, for insider info on the eagles - not actually worth a draft pick, just worth a bribe

by AustonianAggie on Feb 17, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would take

a second for Miles in a heartbeat. The guy is an undrafted free agent who is our fourth receiver? Hurd could be our fourth receiver. Imagine the flexibility with two second rounders andit doesn’t matter which of Miami’s picks it is. I like Miles but this is a no brainer.

by jevans1729 on Feb 16, 2009 5:56 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

I honestly think a mistake of the coaching staff was having Roy Williams in the lineup when his foot was clearly hurt.

I thought Miles Austin knew the playbook better and definitly was faster at the time.

I think there is a reluctance sometimes to play young guys. It seems that everytime the guy is in the game he’s making plays.

by AirforceBat on Feb 16, 2009 6:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They definitely did in regards to the Running Backs

Tashard Choice, Felix Jones both under utilized

But it was not a wide spread problem, with guys like Scandrick and Bennett playing a lot

by AustonianAggie on Feb 16, 2009 6:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I understand Choice

Because you really don’t know what you have until they see game action.. I doubt they make that mistake this year.

by AirforceBat on Feb 16, 2009 6:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not only that but Roy would have thrown a fit if he wasn't playing.

"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker

by houseofprime on Feb 16, 2009 6:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

very true...

Which is why I think he was starting.

That goes back to the coaching staff, at some point you have to look at things and say “this guy is hurt and can’t cut it right now.”

by AirforceBat on Feb 16, 2009 6:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Austin

should have started in Philly. Williams was clearly hurt. However, the team operates on entitlement, nto merit, so an injured RW2 starts regardless of his ability to produce.

(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud

by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 16, 2009 7:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

it's not a no brainer.....lol

not when Hurd wont be resigned, and you have two 30+ Wr’s on the roster as well as a project WR who can’t stay on the field. Outside of RW, Austin is the only WR on this roster that has a future on this team..

by Boyzfan94 on Feb 16, 2009 9:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Some people actually have long careers as 4th string WRs

they get paid 4th WR money but catch the ball and do whats asked.

by AustonianAggie on Feb 16, 2009 6:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's true

but those teams usually don’t have all world tight ends. It’s crazy to take Witten off the field for a fourth wr.

by jevans1729 on Feb 16, 2009 7:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Trade the Roys?

Steve Silverman (msnbc.com) just posted a “5 Ways to Save the Boys” article at
.

Most are typical. Run more often, threaten TO, trade for Ray Ray. The last is curious. He suggests trading RW1 and RW2 for high draft picks. Is this ridiculous or what?

by Boundforbeach on Feb 16, 2009 6:46 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

haha...

That’s why it’s MSNBC.

by AirforceBat on Feb 16, 2009 6:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I would say that is pretty typical.

Oh yeah I really see somebody trading for RW1’s contract.

"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker

by houseofprime on Feb 16, 2009 6:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Trade for Ray Ray?

Why would you trade for an unrestricted free agent?

by mhuff13 on Feb 16, 2009 10:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Whoa Nelly!!!

The plus side; Austin has deep speed, which is something the rest of the Dallas WR corps lacks. He also knows the system, which makes him more of an impact player than a rookie might be. He also is a decent kickoff retruner.

The down side; a 1st or 2nd round tender deal is not a long term solution, it is a rental agreement for a player who, in 37 games with Dallas, has 18 catches for 354 yards and 3 TD’s. Over that time, he has also had 82 Kick returns for a 24 yard average. Those are “pedestrian” numbers at best. Add to that the fact that Austin has struggled to stay on the field in Dallas (injuries) and hasn’t shown any substantive signs of becoming the next Andre Johnson, at least not yet.

My take: Dallas is a draft-pick-challenged team due to the Roy E trade and if they can rob some poor slob team of their 2nd round pick and grab a viable contributor (remember the 18 catches in 37 games rounds out to one catch every 2 games that someone has to make up for) for the next 4 or 5 years, well, I always ask myself…

What would Jimmy Johnson do?

The answer is give him a 2nd round tender and hope Ireland or someone else falls in love with him. Then, laugh all the way to the combine with a suddenly more interesting, not to mention more impactful group of draft choices.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 16, 2009 6:56 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I guess...

but I would be devastated if Austin goes to Miami and becomes a household name.

by MdFan24 on Feb 16, 2009 7:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep...

Although I still think Bennett is an upgrade over Fasano.

If you’re a tightend playing in Miami, you have Chad Pennington as a QB, and you aren’t catching passes… then you won’t be a good tightend anywhere.

by AirforceBat on Feb 16, 2009 7:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Bennett's stats are pretty comprable to Fasano

and Fasano’s been in the league a while
Fasano 34rec YDS 454 AVG 13.4 TDS 7
Bennett 20rec YDS 283 AVG 14.2 TDS 4

Bennett + Witten might be a new formidable combination, elite TE blockers and pass receivers, both. If Dallas ever meant anything about the single back dual TE symmetrical formation they were talking about when they drafted Fasano, this is the duo to run it.

Miles Austin has yet to reach his ceiling. He can really be a big play maker for Dallas, odds favor RW2 but I see a chance for Miles Austin to claim the #1 in time, better chance than a shot in the dark.

As a side note, Dallas has a lot of big dudes lining up at WR – TO, RW2 and Austin all top 200. With this sort of line up I’d never get away from the run.

by AustonianAggie on Feb 17, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And Fasano was their #1 TE

Fasano’s got good hands, but he doesn’t get into the seam routes quickly like Tellus can.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 17, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Can Fasano Rap?

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Feb 17, 2009 2:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's the problem

You don’t know this draft class is going to be impactful because they haven’t stepped on the field yet. All you can do is hope they will turn out to be why you drafted them.

Ask New Orleans if Robert Meachem has turned out to be the WR they wanted when they drafted him in the 1st round

You know what you have with Austin. Sometimes you accept flaws if the overall product is something you think you can win with.

Now with that said, I trade him for the 44th pick. How’s that for double talk?

by cow_fanatic on Feb 16, 2009 7:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

I do it for the 44th too… but that means that you almost HAVE to pick up a WR in the draft if you cut Owens.

by AirforceBat on Feb 16, 2009 7:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's all hypothetical

but it would be nice to say you have to keep someone like T.O. in order to get the 44th

by cow_fanatic on Feb 16, 2009 7:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

See this is why I love blogging...

Because there are tons of issues that I can disagree totally with someone on, and then turn around and be right on the same page.

by AirforceBat on Feb 16, 2009 7:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

True,

but Austin was an Unsigned Free Agent. He basically was a walk on. No one expected him to ever produce. Meachem on the other hand, well everyone knows what you expect from a first rounder.

When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.

by GunsUp on Feb 16, 2009 10:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That doesn't speak well of

Meachem if his career stats in two years as a first round pick are indentical to an undrafted FA with three years

You expect a 1st rounder to contribute year one. You don’t with a UFA

by cow_fanatic on Feb 17, 2009 5:56 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

While Meachem has NOT been the guy they had hoped...

Meachem has 12 catches for 289 yards and 3 TD’s in just 14 games with New Orleans. If you apply those #‘s to the same # of games Austin has played, Meachem would have 32 catches for more than 800 yards and 7 TD’s. Remember, the guy was really a rook last year due to his injury early the prior year.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 17, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If he stays healthy

that’s where his #s project, I agree. Good thing we didn’t draft a first round WR where his #s project well if healthy

by cow_fanatic on Feb 17, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't even understand the consternation

Miles Austin is nothing so far. He’s only potential. He was what, an unsigned free agent? If a 2nd round pick were offered for him, then great, take it. There’s no way, though, a 2nd will be offered. Also, just because Ireland wants him, doesn’t mean he’s suddenly more valuable than a starting NT or FS or back up C/G. The kid NEVER PLAYED for the cowboys. His numbers and Danny Amendola’s and Isiah Stanback’s are nearly the same.
Scenario – it’s 2008 and no one has ever heard of Miles Austin, and Kosier’s healthy, Wade zeroes in on the defense all season, Romo’s healthy… I see the Cowboys rolling into the playoffs. TO + RWII + Witten + Felix Jones + MBIII how many touches does Austin even get a season?? For a starting FS? You guys have gone stir crazy. Get outside. Do a crossword. Kiss your wife. You’re all losing your perspective.

by Joey2zs on Feb 16, 2009 7:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think...

the only reason it’s a question is if Owens is let go.

If they get him you are pretty much left with Crayton and Williams(who is kind of unproven as a Cowboy.)

I agree that I’m not real worried about someone giving up a 2nd round pick for him, but you’d be VERY thin at WR if the scenario happened where TO is let go and Austin is gone.

by AirforceBat on Feb 16, 2009 7:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

OK

Let’s draft a 2nd round WR and see if he can play up to his ability or busts out like at least 2 2nd rounders did last year, both of which the Redskins drafted. Or stick with Miles because you know he can play at this level barring injuries

by cow_fanatic on Feb 16, 2009 8:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

no

let’s draft a NT and a FS or use 2 second round picks to move up.
I don’t even see how this is a discussion point besides Rafael’s affinity for Austin and that he said a late 2nd rounder is equivalent to a 3rd rounder.
He’s an undrafted FA, and the Cowboys could get a 2nd round pick for him. Why is this a discussion?
I said in another post in this thread, if not for some nutty injuries, the Cowboys could easily have won this Super Bowl… and if so, would Miles Freaking Austin even be a discussion point over a 2nd round draft pick? A 2nd round pick would bolster the holes behind those players who were injured, preventing a replay… oooh to dream of a back up QB, a real NT, a SS or FS who is a ballhawk, an ILB, etc.. and so forth.
Miles Austin has shown enough to me for me to have no compunction in letting him walk. Also, I sell advertising for a living and have almost no idea what I’m talking about. And yeah, I said compunction. what of it?

by Joey2zs on Feb 16, 2009 9:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nope

Witten is the 2nd best, and RWII is the 3rd best. It may prove to be that Felix Jones is the 4th best.
He’s not everybody’s go-to 3rd WR to discuss in this situation, Wes Welker. Look, it’s fate. If someone wants to give a 2nd round pick to the Cowboys for Miles Austin, then the Cowboys don’t have him. Then they never had speed or depth at that position because he’s GOT to go.
You let go of a 3rd WR to get a starting G/C or NT or SS. I can’t see how this is a discussion. Sam Hurd is the guy or Crayton or someone else. I don’t see how 3rd WR is the pivot point around which this team moves. I CAN see how NT or SS or ILB is the pivot point, or at least depth at those positions is a difference maker.
Austin wasn’t on this team the past 3 years… how is next year any different?

by Joey2zs on Feb 16, 2009 9:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Symantics here....I'm not talking TE, or RB...just WR..Austin is the 3rd best and

when you consider TO is gone, either this or next year that makes Austin being here that much more important. We lose Austin and the depth at the position becomes a real problem. Austin is the only WR we have besides TO that can stretch the field. We lose Austin and we would certainly need to spend a high draft pick on a WR. So what’s the point?

Were you watching Austin in 2008?? He made some nice catches during the season.

We have 11 draft picks this year. More than enough to tackle our needs.

by Boyzfan94 on Feb 16, 2009 9:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

We don’t need to draft more wr’s. We need to be concentrating on the more important needs of the team, the things that screwed us over this season; and Austin was great in 08. For the little amount he played, he made every catch thrown his way (except the bengals one but it landed in PC’s hands so w/e).
Even in the Washington game he made some great catches, one was negated by a holding penalty but it showed how quick he is off the LOS, and i’m sure we all remember the Green Bay game and even in the first washington game he played well.

"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips

by MrMinority on Feb 16, 2009 10:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

There are a few teams switching to 3-4s next year

If you were establishing a new 3-4 defense, would you rather start with a Canty at DE or a Peppers at OLB

by AustonianAggie on Feb 16, 2009 6:56 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Why pay for Peppers at new position?

Canty doesn’t have any leverage, Jerry could draft Ron Brace, move the Rat to DE. Likewise Peppers isn’t the answer. Ware is the best 3-4 OLB in the league – Pay for him!

by birdness on Feb 16, 2009 7:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I mean, if you're GB and you want to start a new 3-4

And you’re broke because the whole world is, and you’re a small market to begin with.

Canty or Peppers -

by AustonianAggie on Feb 17, 2009 10:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Austin

the royalty at Valley Ranch knows whether T.O. is staying or not. I like Austin a lot ,but still am concerned about the injuries. If TO is going, it should be a first round tender. If hes staying go with a second. If we lose him I hope we at least get the 44 pick.

by oldboysfan on Feb 16, 2009 7:55 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

it wouldn't be the 44th...It is your origin pick, not a pick received by trade....

we would get #56, which is great value for an undrafted WR that’s barely sniffed the field for three years…

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 16, 2009 8:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Just heard...

Fred Taylor was released from the Jags.

I think a team like the Patriots or the Broncos would benefit from signing Taylor.

He’s injury prone, but he can still be productive.

by AirforceBat on Feb 16, 2009 8:03 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I've always liked him

Too bad we don’t have a spot for him.

by illcowboy on Feb 16, 2009 9:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

it's a shame

he wasn’t a papier mache, menstruating whiner like a Vince Carter, he was legitimately injured over and over again. The guy was great.

by Joey2zs on Feb 16, 2009 9:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah..

I don’t remember which defensive player it was, but someone said about 5 years ago that when Fred Taylor was healthy that he was the best runningback he ever played against.

by AirforceBat on Feb 16, 2009 10:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

in other news, Stephen Peterman

inked a 5 year deal with the Lions

by falconPUNCH on Feb 16, 2009 10:11 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

lol...i noticed that...

sure would like to have him back now…better than Proctor and Berger and Mcquistan

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 16, 2009 10:13 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Lay the 1st round tender on Austin

He is the future at WR. It would make no sense to create a hole at WR. Not right now when we are parting ways with TO this year or next, and still unsure how the RW2 trade will turn out. For a pick outside the top 50? No way.

Dallas has plenty of draft picks already. They don’t need to risk losing a young, speedy, game breaking type WR to get a low 2nd round pick.

Feb. 18-24 -- NFL Scouting Combine
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft

by APerfectStar on Feb 16, 2009 11:10 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

+100000

Don't believe everything you think.

Your causes are cute!!!

by stoproyce on Feb 17, 2009 12:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Game breaking?

who? what?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 17, 2009 10:49 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He's flashed that kind of ability already.

I’d say he broke open the GB game last season.

Feb. 18-24 -- NFL Scouting Combine
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft

by APerfectStar on Feb 17, 2009 8:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Losing a guy you spent 3 years getting in to your system

for a low 2nd round pick doesn’t make any sense to me. Specially with our receiving corps. Even if TO stays this year he’s gone in ‘10. RWII hasn’t shown me shizz, Crayton has a decent play about 4 times a year, Hurds’ gone, everyone salivates like Pavlovs’ dog over Stanback and I have yet to see this guy after preseason. I’m not ready to crown RWII king. He hasn’t earned crap yet. I’d rather keep Austin (if he would only stay healthy). We have enough draft picks to get some talent in the areas of need already.

by Benthere on Feb 16, 2009 11:32 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Two Names for ya..........

Jimmy Smith

Randall Williams…………..

both got their shots at WR for the Dallas Cowboys. Both got cut by the Dallas Cowboys.

One went on to a potential HOF career at Jacksonville. The other obscurity.

Austin is kind of in the same place…………but Austin and Hurd and Stanback have all three had problems staying healthy and on the field. Austin seemed to have a good year last year and flash some real speed. Hurd has looked ok at times…………..Stanback has hardly been healthy yet.

by Jon B. on Feb 16, 2009 11:40 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

So what was your point?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 17, 2009 10:50 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Austin is a lot better than Williams

And Jimmy Smith came to Dallas as a 2nd round pick. Austin is more like Smith than Williams, because Austin is flexible and can catch the ball out of the air. Williams was never able to turn and cut like he needed.

by AustonianAggie on Feb 17, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Randal Williams never put the speed, route running and catching the ball all together like Austin has shown the ability to do. He has already passed him.

Feb. 18-24 -- NFL Scouting Combine
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft

by APerfectStar on Feb 17, 2009 7:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The tender on Austin should be a big indicator as to Owens’ future in Dallas.

by connery on Feb 17, 2009 12:14 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

If they get rid of Owens and Austin…

It instantly makes receiver a position of need for this team which at present it’s not. That would take this team from having two positions in need of upgrading to having three. So following that logic the extra pick is, at best, a wash.

It’s just… well… Stupid.

0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.

by gee-roj on Feb 17, 2009 7:38 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

+ infinity * infinity + infinity squared

When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.

by GunsUp on Feb 17, 2009 7:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not at all

Because we’d just be postponing the conundrum. TO’s 35, and such a headcase that you couldn’t count on him being there for more than a year down the road at the tender age of 25. Austin is likely gone next year if he produces, this team has money locked up in too many other assets.
Better to get something for these assets while we can than to be left with empty pockets and grim looks on our faces a year from now. Pick up a cheap FA like Deverey Henderson to play field-stretcher and another WR like Roydell Williams or Shaun McDonald for depth. Then you cross your fingers and hope Roy Williams is as good as he thinks.

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by Conjunction on Feb 17, 2009 7:48 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly my point

The idea of roster-building cannot be myopically short term. It must be continuously forward thinking. Nice post.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 17, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

But

It still doesn’t solve anything. You are trading on the hope that whoever you draft turns out better than what you had. If you let Austin walk, from your post you still have to replace him with two recievers. I just don’t see the value there. If Austin doesn’t produce this year, then nothing ventured nothing gained. But, you do have some idea of what you have there.

When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.

by GunsUp on Feb 17, 2009 8:01 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I’m haunted by the memory of Jimmy Smith…

And how the 90’s Cowboys let this, at the time, promising young wide out go, to a Florida team (the Jaguars) where he flourished for years. Can you imagine if they had hung onto to him and lined him up opposite Irvin most of his career?

I just don’t want to see the ‘boys make that same mistake again w/ Austin; (to another Florida team no less). I’d like to see one more year with Austin so that we can see what he’s capable of when (hopefully) healthy for an entire year. And heading into his 4th year he’s ready to head in his prime.

You can pick up great players anywhere in the draft and there are just as many early round busts as there are successes. The draft is not this automatic and magical fix-all.

0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.

by gee-roj on Feb 17, 2009 9:26 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking the same thing about Jimmy Smith...

It pains me to think about someone else going to the Dolphins as well. It still irks me that Fasano had a pretty good year. I know we got Bennett to replace Fasano but am I the only one that thinks we are really lacking in player development? In the 90s we overpaid some of the aging stars and so when the FA period came along, we got rid of some promising talent . Instead of developing the young ones , we held on to the older guys making it nearly impossible to have any real player depth. I see the same thing happening today.

by texstar on Feb 17, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

We have to have faith in Ciskowski and his merry men

If last year’s draft was an indication, we have good talent evaluation for the first time since Tuna left.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 17, 2009 10:48 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Here's the big question for me

If we give Austin a tender this year, if it’s uncapped next year, won’t he still be restricted?

by Mandmeisterx on Feb 17, 2009 2:27 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

JJ formerly states they won't hire a DC

Wade will do that as well as HC. Lots of coaches do things similarly, running their own affairs, but I’d be more confident in future success if HC was clearly above the role of coordinator, rather than parallel to it like Dallas has it
http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/

by AustonianAggie on Feb 17, 2009 3:40 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

As long as Wade calls the D I dont care. Im hoping he has this D playing like Pitt did this year.

I think we were a good safety away from that last year. Along with sitting down Stewart.

by squidlo97 on Feb 17, 2009 3:47 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Stewart still had a lot of duties behind the scenes (game planning, film study, practices, meetings, etc) ...

that Wade does not need to add to his plate at this point. To me, he’s not quite making it as HC and now he’s had another huge collection of ‘distractions’ added? Just seems to setting him up for failure. Maybe Campo or someone else will be quietly handling those behind the scenes … one can hope.

by GalTex on Feb 17, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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