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How many think Jerry Jones is a bad owner, raise your hands! Anyone? Anyone?

Put yourself in the place of any business owner. If you invested millions in a business and almost a billion in a facility for that business, wouldn't you want to retain some say in how that business was run? Let's assume you hired a GM to run the day to day operations and to make that business not only profitable but the number one business in a very competitive market. Would you give that GM carte blanche to spend your money with no oversight from you? That would be a bad business decision at any level. Isn't that what Jerry is usually criticized for- that as the owner, and ultimately the party most at risk- he reserves the right to make the final decisions?

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What separates a ‘good' owner from a ‘bad' owner? In my opinion a good owner wants to make a profit and knows that putting a good product on the field is the best way to do that. A good owner recognizes his own limitations and hires experts to backfill those needs. A good owner is realistic in his expectations. A good owner is respectful of his customer base.

Being a good owner and having all of the attributes above, is still not a guarantee of success. There may be competitors - players, coaches and owners - who simply are better at every phase of the game, and there is always the element of luck.

Take a look around the league and see how Jerral Jones compares with some of his peers, past and present.

Al Davis in Oakland is a football icon. He can certainly claim to have football knowledge, the guy started his own league in competition with the NFL. He has moved the Raiders from Oakland to L.A. and back. This moving the team up and down the West Coast has caused his fan base to look at the Raiders as a temporary love. How would you like to have Crazy Al in charge of your favorite team?

In 1984, Bob Irsay gave a press conference in Baltimore and stated, "This is my G...D... team!" and claimed once again that the rumors of a move were untrue. Embroiled in a new stadium debate and concerned that the city might seize the Colts under eminent domain, Irsay arranged for fifteen Mayflower moving vans to pack up every piece of team equipment in the middle of the night and move it all to Indy before dawn. The Baltimore Colt's history, their legends and their past, were just stolen away in the middle of the night.

How about an owner who fires a multiple-championship winning coach, takes an active role in the management of the team despite his lack of pro-football background, shamelessly promotes his team and has it play on Thanksgiving and Monday nights whenever possible (no it's not Jerry Jones)? Art Modell, the former owner of the Cleveland Browns fired Coach Paul Brown, made public statements about how the franchise would always be in Cleveland, but left in 1996 with the intent of calling the team the Baltimore Browns. The City of Cleveland retained legal rights to the name and history of the team and was eventually awarded another NFL franchise which was also named - the Cleveland Browns.  Modell later sold majority interest in the Ravens (formerly Browns) team to Steve Bisciotti.  Years later Art Modell was still so reviled in Cleveland that he opted not to attend retirement ceremonies of former Browns players because of the threats on his life.

Hugh Culverhouse from Tampa, Mike Brown from Cincinnati and the Cardinals' Bill Bidwill all have had reputations around the league as tight-wad owners who were content for years to enjoy the shared revenue from broadcasting but not investing enough to create a better product on the field.

Culverhouse used the profits generated by the team to fund his other investments and the Buc's payroll was consistently one of the NFL's lowest causing them to lose one quality player after another. He let Steve Young sign with another team, passed on Tony Dorsett in the draft and insisted on drafting Bo Jackson after Jackson warned him that he would not play for him - and Jackson didn't.

Mike Brown inherited the Bengals from his father Paul Brown - the former coach of the Cleveland Browns and the namesake of the Cleveland team. The Bengals have enjoyed a .350 winning record since Mike Brown took over as Owner, GM and President. He is not a big spender and reportedly rewards loyalty over performance. His scouting staff is a fraction the size of other teams. He turned down Mike Ditka's offer of nine draft picks for one in 1999 and instead used that one pick to draft QB Akili Smith.

The Cardinals have been in the Bidwill family since 1932 back when they were the Chicago Cardinals. Bill Bidwill became the sole owner in 1972 and moved the team to Phoenix in 1987 after a fight with the city over a new stadium in St. Louis. Bidwill was also known as a cheap skate until recently, after gaining added revenue from the new Arizona stadium the team has begun to invest more in obtaining quality players and coaches. The Cards fans had to wait 35 years before this owner made an effort to field a competitive team.

Say what you will about Jerry Jones but he is not a miser when it comes to getting players and coaches to join the Cowboys. His drafts in the post Jimmy Johnson era have not always been successful but it was Jones who held out for DeMarcus Ware and the 2008 draft class looks very strong. Perhaps he has learned a thing or two in the last two decades. The complaint about Jones seems to be that he is too involved in the everyday operations of the team, often undermining the head coaches discipline and decisions. Jerry Jones has made some mistakes, but it could be much worse, we could have Al Davis in charge!

From Jerry's perspective, the question is - if you paid millions of dollars for a toy, wouldn't you want to play with it too?

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Excellent Post

I think people hate Jerry too much yet can rarely name an owner they’d rather have than him. Yeah, he does some questionable things (fa signings especially) but one thing you cannot accuse him of is not caring. He probably cares more than any owner in the NFL and spends more money and time on the team than any other owner. He does have 3 superbowls under him, I think he knows the formula to get more and he has set up a team to that standards. The statement flying around ‘the Cowboys have the most talent" is a somewhat true statement. Who’s to say the talent is the best, but no one can say the talent isn’t there.
Atleast we’re not the Raiders.

"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips

by MrMinority on Feb 17, 2009 12:57 AM CST reply actions  

He can't win

And by that I mean whatever he does will be wrong in some people’s eyes.

He has gone out and got the best signings he could, he rarely ever lets a star leave the team and ponies up big money to keep them. So now he is getting criticised for having too many stars and not enough role players.

"Where's Woody? - We need another Darren Woodson

by BoyfromOz on Feb 17, 2009 2:04 AM CST reply actions  

Nice post and I personally like JJ as an owner

but one thing about your post. You compare Jerry to some of the worst owners from the past and present NFL. Why not include some of the better owners? Of course Jerry isnt the worst, but it is doubtful that he is the best, and that is where the discussion is. (Personally I think he is probably the fifth best owner in the league) But comparing him to bad owners isnt really fair. Would you be happy if you were a Seahawks fan just because you were better than the Lions or better than the dolphins last year?

I think Jerry is a good owner, and should be compared to similar guys in the league, not the worst.

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Feb 17, 2009 2:55 AM CST reply actions  

true, and I do beleive Jim did a good job

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Feb 17, 2009 11:21 PM CST up reply actions  

You're right..

I was trying to point out to those who are very critical of JJ – how bad it could be. The top owners are not as much fun to read about but it might be worth a look. Thanks for the comment.

"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams

by Jim Vance on Feb 17, 2009 7:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Nice post Jimbo Slice

People need to ease up off of Jerry. I’m glad we have proactive owner. He just wants to win so bad he cant get out of his own way. Im okay with that.

TELL MITCH ALBOM THAT IF HE'S GOT A PROBLEM WITH BLOGGERS, THEN HE CAN COME SEE ME IN THE OCTAGON.

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 17, 2009 3:37 AM CST reply actions  

I'd

still want Jerry as our owner rather than Al Davis. All day long.

by shadow1480 on Feb 17, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Clint Murchison

was a pretty good example of an owner who simply left the team in control of the GM and Head Coach, while he chased broads and lived the high life. The team did okay under that regime. Until it all came crashing down in the 80s.

But different strokes for different folks. Jerry the Socks to Jocks owner does have three championships to Murchison’s two.

by DavidH22 on Feb 17, 2009 4:40 AM CST reply actions  

Faint praise for the Murchison era

“The team did okay under that regime. Until it all came crashing down in the 80s.” Missed the playoffs only twice from 1966-1985, 5 NFC championships, 2 Super Bowl victories, and the 2 Super Bowl teams were completely different teams with the exception of the QB. I think you are too hard of a grader if that only qualifies as okay.

by NCCowboy on Feb 17, 2009 6:36 AM CST up reply actions  

When will I learn

that sarcasm doesn’t come across very well online…

by DavidH22 on Feb 17, 2009 6:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Also......

had 5 Super Bowl Appearances…….though they only won 2….

if you don’t get there you don’t have a shot to win it ……

by Geeter on Feb 20, 2009 12:10 AM CST up reply actions  

+1

Another thing people seem to have forgotten, was that when Bright owned the team towards the end he was having financial problems. Since he was having money issues, we didn’t have the money to bring in good quality players. Also, in the early eighties, Landry lost both Reeves and Ditka. Those two were both invaluable assistants to Landry.

by texstar on Feb 20, 2009 9:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Murchison did pretty good as an owner....

It was more Bright that let the team go downhill.

by texstar on Feb 20, 2009 9:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Further comparison

Between the Murchison and Jones eras. We are coming up on or just witnessed Jones’s 20th year as owner. He sure started off with a bang, but for the last, say, 12 years the team has been mired in mediocrity and upheavel.

Meanwhile, by 1980 Murchinson’s team had just finished their 13th consecutive winning season (12 playoff teams) despite a constantly changing cast of characters on the field.

I know, it’s different times, apples and oranges, free agency and salary cap. I just think a little shine is off the apple. Wait, is that even a saying?

by DavidH22 on Feb 17, 2009 5:11 AM CST reply actions  

The Cowboys had such an edge over other teams in drafting players

because they were so far ahead of the times in that respect (thanks Mr. Brandt). And no free agency to lose players to.
Very different eras.
But stiil, some teams are consistent in this era too, with strong organizations/drafting/coaching.

by Realist Larry on Feb 17, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Not the owner

we have a problem with, it’s the GM. I wouldn’t trade an owner for a 3 1st rounders if the owner spends the money to try to get better. I’d rather the GM take heat for bad signings than the owner take heat for not trying to sign anyone.

by cow_fanatic on Feb 17, 2009 6:30 AM CST reply actions  

Good point

But we can’t separate the two, can we…

by DavidH22 on Feb 17, 2009 6:53 AM CST up reply actions  

As an owner I think Jerry is tops in the league

I think he has made the Cowboys the second most recognized sports franchise in the nation, just behind the New York Yankees. And if the NFL continues to maintain the top spot as America’s most watched sport and the Yankees continue to decline we could see the Cowboys surpass the “evil empire”. As a native born Texan and lifetime fan I cringe at the thought of it, but it does mean that Jerry is delivering a successful product, and it’s already pretty bad anyway.
Granted before Jerry assumed stewardship of the Cowboy’s organization they already were tagged as “America’s team” giving him a sound foundation to build upon, but in the business world it is just as easy to destroy a storied franchise as it is to build upon one. The New York Knicks come to mind.
So I agree with Jim. All you fans screaming for Jerry’s head on a platter cut the old guy some slack. We are lucky to have an owner that is passionate about the game and his team because it could be waaaay worse.

Game Recognize Game

by pretty ricky on Feb 17, 2009 8:28 AM CST reply actions  

Excellent

post, Jim. Jerry will always be a hero for saving the franchise from the ravages of Bum Bright.

Right now, what Jerry needs to do is turn over the GM job to son Stephen and spend more time in the owner’s box, away from the sideline.

Oh, and name the dazzling new venue Tom Landry Stadium, corporate sponsors be damned.

Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.

by OskieOskie on Feb 17, 2009 8:33 AM CST reply actions  

What a desparate post

Very sad that Cowboys fans are now finding solace in the fact that Jerry Jones isn’t Al Davis. At one point in our history we were proud to be one of the best run organizations in the league. Now we are happy with just not being one the worst.

"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach

by dave33 on Feb 17, 2009 8:36 AM CST reply actions  

Totally agree

I’m not sure what some of you are seeing. Maybe we have to totally bottom out before some realize that a great owner doesn’t necessarily make a great GM.

by ButchJohnson on Feb 17, 2009 8:40 AM CST up reply actions  

I think some are chicken little's

declaring the sky is falling after a 9-7 season. Apparently the only way to keep them happy is to win a Super Bowl everywhere.

How are the Cowboy’s still not one of the best run organizations in the league?

Game Recognize Game

by pretty ricky on Feb 17, 2009 8:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Yikes!!!
When even the Cardinals have more recent playoff wins

That hurts…lol. Especially since we have had way more opportunities than the Cardinals in recent years.

~Texas Massacre 08~

by TheHeat on Feb 17, 2009 6:40 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Feb 17, 2009 11:28 PM CST up reply actions  

What's your point?

" At one point in our history we were proud to be one of the best run organizations in the league. " Really? Is that true? What does that mean? Qualify that statement. You are the reason this post was written. You of the myths and revisionist history. Ahhh, the Glory Days when the Cowboys won every single Super Bowl and every game and were Super Men that walked on water.
I hate the simple view that winning is a Cowboys trade mark and that it’s a right by heritage. Sweet J, dude, there are 31 other teams clawing and scratching their way to eke out wins, and, there is a COMPLETELY different business model in place today than there was 15 years ago.
You know what? You’re wrong. Today the Cowboys are probably THE best run business organization in all of sports.

by Joey2zs on Feb 17, 2009 8:50 AM CST up reply actions  

+1

God am I tired of hearing about the glory days too.

Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......

by AirforceBat on Feb 17, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

As a business yes....but only JJ benefits from the business side, however....

as a football team…. i would have to say No

Let’s get real….. winning SB’s and playoff games is the only way for the fans to gage the successful of “their” football team…………..also, who cares about the other 31 teams…..not me

by Geeter on Feb 20, 2009 12:28 AM CST up reply actions  

agreed

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Feb 17, 2009 11:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Great article, puts things in perspective...

But you forgot to mention the ABSOLUTE favorite Cowboy owner to HATE – Dan Snyder, the DEAN of “how to spend money and put horrible teams on the field” (not to be confused with Dean Smith, my hero)

Also good point by Aussie… but he doesn’t take the time to offer any coaches! And so, as this is a comments / discussion – based blog, why not move things in that direction? Here is my list of top owners, thoughts?

Robert Kraft – New England Patriots — for tremendous productivity w/ a tight wallet… and for staying out of BB’s way.

Mara and Tisch – NY Giants — consistent product on the field plus consistent hands-off policy

Dan Rooney – Steelers — if nothing else, for a tremendous knack of hiring the right head coach

Denise Debartolo York and John York — anyone with the name Debartolo gets on my list?

Bud Adams — leaving Fisher in place is reason alone to include him on this list

… the same could also be said for Jerry Richardson, except he seems tighter with money?

Thoughts? Rankings???

Duane Thomas, Calvin Hill, Dorsett, Herschell, Emmitt ... and now MBIII, Felix, AND Choice!

by DalaiLuke on Feb 17, 2009 8:51 AM CST reply actions  

My personal ranking would be...

1. Dan Rooney

2. Robert Kraft

3. Jerry Jones

4. Mara and Tisch

5. Bud Adams

Duane Thomas, Calvin Hill, Dorsett, Herschell, Emmitt ... and now MBIII, Felix, AND Choice!

by DalaiLuke on Feb 17, 2009 8:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Nice Post

I like Jerry. Why? Because he probably cares about winning more than any other owner out there. Jerry is obsessed with making the Cowboys the best. Sure, you can argue he had a little beginner’s luck, then hit rock bottom, but I think he’s learned from a lot over the years. He tries to give us the best team he can, each year. A lot of fans of other teams that I meet are envious, because they wish their GM/owner would go to the lengths that Jerry goes to to make their team better. Lastly, it is nice that Jerry still understands that he is in the entertainment business. Yeah, it leads to a lot of drama sometimes, but so what? Many call him one of footballs greatest innovators in that regard, and I agree.

by Tex34 on Feb 17, 2009 9:11 AM CST reply actions  

Winning Super Bowls

would have to be the single most important criteria for being considered a good owner, right? I think the Jerry haters would evaporate if he won a SB every three years or so. I too would probably put Dan Rooney at the top. He has been a stable leader, he’s hired good people and let them do what they do, and he is willing to pay for talent. But, Jerry Jones is more showman than Dan Rooney and I can’t ever see Jerry taking a behind the scenes role – it’s not in his DNA. AND, Dan Rooney doesn’t win enough Super Bowls to suit some.

I used to live in the Bay Area and the Yorks were very unpopular, things may have changed since I lived there. Eddie DeBartolo was a bit more like Jerry in that he wanted to win and would do anything he could to achieve that end. Denise is Eddie’s sister, but her husband Dr. York was primarily running the team and compared to Eddie he was a wet blanket.

"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams

by Jim Vance on Feb 17, 2009 9:41 AM CST reply actions  

Murchinson, Bright, Jones

In the final chapters of Landry’s Boys, Peter Golenbock details the demise of Clint Murchinson. He went from booze and broads to coccaine and questionable real estate deals. (He even invested in a ski resort in Iraq, of all places, if that can be believed.) By the time he was forced to sell the Cowboys to Bum Bright, his entire family fortune was wasted and his heirs destitute.

Bright was a cheap owner, a skin flint and a tightwad. He never was willing to pay for the talent necessary to field a championship team, so Schramm, Landry and Brandt had to make do with what they had. That, combined with the fact that the other teams had caught up with the Cowboys’ draft schemes and game plans, and Dallas was slow to adjust, contributed to the decline in the 80s. But they were turning it around. The 88 draft laid the foundation for the 90s team. However, Bright wanted to sell the team, and as a condition of the sale he demanded the new owner fire Tom Landry, whom he blamed for his own failures.

And then along came Jones. The smartest thing Jerry ever did was to bring in Jimmy Johnson and let him build and run the team. The first few years were painful, but Johnson built on the foundation Landry had laid and soon was winning championships.

Back-to-back Super Bowls. What kind of owner screws up that kind of success? What kind of owner drives off a winning coach because his ego demanded that he get more credit than he derserved? Answer: an owner possessed of a demon.

Since Johnson left, it’s been one bad decision after another, beginning with poor coaching hires. Jerry hired Barry out of spite, and nothing else. Yes, Switzer was able to lead Johnson’t team to the NFC Championship in his first year and win the Super Bowl in his second, but the team deteriorated after that. Jerry signed Deion out of desperation, and his exhorbitant salary caused the Cowboys to lose 16 veterans developed through the draft, who fled to more lucrative contracts with other teams. (Question: would you rather have the prima donna or the talent?) What followed was weak drafts and disastrous free agent acquisitions, more poor coaching hires, and twelve years of losing in December and collapsing in January, six consecutive playoff losses including five one-and-dones.

Nothing has changed. Rather, it’s gotten worse. Jerry’s lost a fortune in the stock market, while at the same time he’s gone $1 billion in the hole for a stadium without adequate parking that he can’t even sell the naming rights to. This is why he can’t afford to buy out Wade Phillips’s or Jason Garrett’s contracts, predictably pitiful hires both, and bring in real coaches to turn the team around. He’s locked in an underachieving offense to long-term contracts. He’s given tens of millions to a quarterback who doesn’t know the difference between an interception and a punt, and apparently doesn’t care whether he wins or loses. He’s re-signed a prima donna receiver who can’t keep his mouth shut and wasted valuable draft picks on another who can’t keep his mouth shut. Moreover, four years after dumping a No. 1 ranked 4-3 and switching to a failed 3-4 defense, which is ill-suited to the personnel and forces players outside of their natural positions, Dallas still doesn’t have the defensive ends, the nose tackle, the inside linebacker, or the strong safety to run effectively. And don’t even get me started on special teams coverage units.

Most disastrously Jerry has done nothing to change the culture of complacency he’s allowed to fester for so many years. Now we got players questioning coaches, finger pointing, back stabbing and fighting with each other in the locker room and on the plane, assaulting fans at Valley Ranch after the worst loss in decades, which they laughed about by the way. This is a fractured franchise.

Comparing Jerry Jones to other loser owners in the NFL can possibly make him look good. Comparing him to the standard the Dallas Cowboys set for themselves as America’s Team cannot.

"Coaching is getting men to do what they do not want to do, in order to get them to achieve what they want to achieve." --Tom Landry

by The Soothsayer on Feb 17, 2009 10:05 AM CST reply actions  

ouch...

Never looked at it this way.

0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.

by gee-roj on Feb 17, 2009 10:23 AM CST up reply actions  

It's Jerry's fault the Economy sucks?

“Jerry’s lost a fortune in the stock market, while at the same time he’s gone $1 billion in the hole for a stadium without adequate parking that he can’t even sell the naming rights to.”

Buddy who hasn’t lost a fortune in the stock market?

He can’t sell the naming rights because NOBODY is doing any advertising. Look at NASCAR they have teams that no longer exist due to lack of sponsorship. GM pulled out of Super Bowl advertising for the first time in years.

Parking? Seriously we are talking about parking?

You guys will blame Jerry for everything and give him credit for nothing.

Game Recognize Game

by pretty ricky on Feb 17, 2009 10:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Umm Parcell's switched us to the 3-4 so blame him

“Moreover, four years after dumping a No. 1 ranked 4-3 and switching to a failed 3-4 defense, which is ill-suited to the personnel and forces players outside of their natural positions, Dallas still doesn’t have the defensive ends, the nose tackle, the inside linebacker, or the strong safety to run effectively.”

Unless you are saying hiring Parcell’s was a mistake becasue Campo was doing a spectacular job.

Game Recognize Game

by pretty ricky on Feb 17, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Our number 1 defense was a smoke screen.

The offense ran the ball and controled the clock during the regular season. When the playoffs got here it exposed us for what we really were Overrated. That was probably the worst Top ranked D of all time. Name 1 top ranked defense from the last 30 years that you wouldnt take over that D.

by squidlo97 on Feb 17, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Your post are laced with truths but have been bastardized.

Landry laid the foundation for Jimmy. WTF?! Dude leaving this team so devoid of talent it couldnt win any games and gave us high draft picks is not laying the foundation. Our D lead the league in sacks and should have ranked much higher in yardage except for blown plays.(I can think of 300 yards on rushing on about 4 plays) The 3-4 part of our D has been mostly very good the back field has sucked but then they arent part of the front 7 so that part wouldnt have changed regardless.

Jimmy was probably on his way out the door anyway. Most coaches only last 5-8 years anyway. Guys like BP, Jimmy, Vermeil, are usually closer to 5.
It came a little to easy for Jerry in the beginng and, like everybody I know at sometime in their life, thought he knew way more than he actually did. He underestimated Jimmys importance. He tried and failed miserably without him. However I give him credit for swallowing his pride and hiring BP.

BP didnt win but he changed our system and our talent gathering and drafting. We have seen a change in talent here. We have seen an improvement in our drafts.

Im pretty sure JJ has money in the stock market but Im just as sure its mostly in Oil and Gas. In case you didnt see it, those guys put up record numbers.

Jerry makes mistakes but he makes them at full speed. He told you that about himself from day one. I do blame him for lack of leadership last year but I realized he had to much on his plate trying to get this stadium complete. He just wasnt fully into his team when your in charge of a Billion dollar stadium. Bad move not letting Stephen handle more of the team of Stadium.

As far as the Stadium goes, Texas Stadium was considered a colossal over priced screwup in an economic time that was similar to now. That old girl turn out OK and made alot of money for the cities and states was/weremade not to mention some of my fondest memories.

You have made somegood truthful points but laced it with things you know little about.

If the 3-4 is so bad then why are even more teams switching to it. Why sis the best Ds play it. Why did both SB teams play it. Why did the 2 top canidates for DPOY play in it.

We havent made it back to the promise land but the journey aint over.

GO Cowboys!

by squidlo97 on Feb 17, 2009 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Landry laid the foundation for Jimmy?

I’m calling the BS flag on that one.

Landry is one of the best coaches of all time, but what exact foundation did he leave?

The entire Dallas Cowboys mentality was totally different with Jimmy, as was the personell.

Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......

by AirforceBat on Feb 17, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

The Truth

is that Jimmy Johnson wanted out of Dallas anyway, and it doesn’t appear that Jerry Jones could have done anything reasonable to keep him in town.

Also, the Landry/Scramm regime did leave the following players for Jones/Johnson – Nate Newton, Michael Irvin, Ken Norton, Chad Hennings (sort of) and a smattering of older role players (Bates, Jeffcoat, Tuenei, etc) who would contribute significantly to the 90s dynasty.

And if you want to be technical, they also provided Herschel Walker and a nice 3-13 record, which led directly to drafting Troy Aikman first overall.

by DavidH22 on Feb 17, 2009 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

You speak truth consistent with your moniker.

"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach

by dave33 on Feb 17, 2009 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

It's true

that bloggers named David or Dave followed by a famous Cowboy uniform number are usually very impressive.

Davey88, where are you?

by DavidH22 on Feb 17, 2009 7:01 PM CST up reply actions  

This sounds a lot like Tex

Maybe he’s got a new screen name?

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Feb 17, 2009 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

???

Murchison was a coke head and Bright was a tightwad?

Sounds like Jerry is the best owner the cowboys ever had.

Game Recognize Game

by pretty ricky on Feb 17, 2009 10:24 AM CST reply actions  

Great Post Mr. Vance

This is an excellent post and one I think all of the Jerry haters should read. What people need to realize is that this is Jerry’s team, this is not the Cowboys team of old. All of those who keep crying about legacy and things of the past, they are just that the past. The can not help our present team in any way. While the past makes for great war stories and hype to pass the time, all things evolve and change. You either roll with it or jump ship. Life vest anyone???

by bigkat74 on Feb 17, 2009 10:25 AM CST reply actions  

Cowboys Slump Since Jerry Took over Personnel

Dallas Cowboys Franchise Record (Regular Season): 423-309-6, 57.3 win pct
Dallas Cowboys Franchise Record (Postseason): 32-24, 57.1 win pct, 5 Super Bowls, 8 Conference Titles
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Dallas Cowboys Regular Season Record (1960-1993): 294-200 59.5 win pct
Dallas Cowboys Postseason Record (1960-1993): 27-17, 61.4 win pct, 4 Super Bowls, 7 Conference Titles
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Jerry Jones fires Jimmy Johnson and takes over as GM

Dallas Cowboys Regular Season Record (1994-2008): 129-109, 54.2 win pct
Dallas Cowboys Postseason Record (1994-2008): 5-7, 41.7 win pct, 1 Super Bowl, 1 Conference Title

by apjfive on Feb 17, 2009 10:32 AM CST reply actions  

You're using 14 years worth of numbers and comparing it to 33 years?

Good lord hope Albert Pujols doesn’t come out batting .250 in the first 4 games of the season next year. He will be in a slump.

Game Recognize Game

by pretty ricky on Feb 17, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Are you kidding?

14 Years and over 200 games is a large enough sample to make the point. Look at the winning percentages….

by apjfive on Feb 17, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

And your example is flawed....

Cowboys: 48 Years as Franchise
Jerry as GM: 14 Years or 29% of History

MLB Season: 162 Games
29% of MLB Season: 47 Games

So if he is batting .250 after 47 games… im sure people would call that a slump

by apjfive on Feb 17, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

There has definitly been a slump.

I like your statistics, but considering that the ultimate goal is to win a championship, I think you have to give Jerry some leeway because like it or not, he had something to do with 3 SB’s.

I love Jerry the owner but think that Jerry the GM often gets in his own way.

Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......

by AirforceBat on Feb 17, 2009 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Well said

AirforceBat. I still have a problem with Jerry the G.M. Good organizations are built on getting the right people to the right positions and then let them do their stuff. Consistancy under a single plan. Jerry tries to do that with the team as shown by the trades and free Agents, but fails to do that with the management and coaching. Especially the coaching. Good owner but poor G,M.

by oldboysfan on Feb 17, 2009 8:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Bleh you're right apjfive that example sucked

Thanks for the stats lesson I am booored at work

But let me give it one more shot and let me know what ya think

We are only talking about a 5.3% decrease here.

Pujols has .334 career BA a 5.3% decrease would bring it down to .316 is that really a slump?

Game Recognize Game

by pretty ricky on Feb 17, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Ditto on the boredom... terrible senioritis right now...

Better example and a good point but I have two counterpoints…
1.) You misused percentages… I’m terrible at math but there is a difference between percentage points and percentage.

You said the Cowboys experienced a 5.3% drop in winning percentage when they actually dropped 5.3 percentage points. A drop from 59.5% to 54.2% is actually a loss of 8.9%. Take that number off of Pujols’ average and you get a .304 average… a somewhat more significant decline.

2.) Comparing NFL Wins and Losses to MLB Batting Average is probably like comparing apples to oranges.

While Pujols’ 8.9% drop wouldn’t be considered that bad… an 8.9% decline in winning percentage by and NFL team can be the difference between a trip to the playoffs or early vacation (as our ’Boys found out in 2008 and 2005).

by apjfive on Feb 17, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Jimmys stats belong to Jerrys column whether you like it or not. Thats more SBs and playoff wins for Jerry and less for the rest.

Jimmy was Jerrry first hire. It had nothing to do with somebody wanting to fire landry. Jimmy was a great college coach who played ball with Jerry.

by squidlo97 on Feb 17, 2009 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Those numbers are...

Pre-Jerry as GM numbers vs. Jerry as GM numbers….

I will give Jerry credit as an owner for those first 5 years, but he wasn’t making the football decisions

by apjfive on Feb 17, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

He picked Jimmy. That was his first GM moves. I love Jimmy and think he is/was one of the best of all time.

I also think that he made Jimmy better. I just think they had a synergy together where they made the other better.

by squidlo97 on Feb 17, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Silly post

Jim, you’re conflating two different questions.
1) Does an owner have a “right” to do with a team as he wishes. Of course the answer is yes.
2) Is an owner who exercises his “right” by putting people (including himself) into positions in which they are manifestly incompetent still a good owner. Of course the answer is no.

Just because Jerry isn’t the worst owner in the league doesn’t mean he’s not a bad owner. Just because Jerry “wants to win really badly” doesn’t mean he’s not a bad owner.

From a purely economic perspective, Jerry is a great owner. He has probably the most valuable franchise in professional sports, despite the fact that the franchise has been well below average in terms of winning since he was running the ballclub.

But from a thinking fan’s perspective, he’s a poor owner. If he were just an owner, I think he’d be pretty fabulous, because he’s got the business side down pat. If he were just a GM, I actually think he’d be adequate, because he defers to some really good scouts. But because he’s both, he’s vested the GM (himself) with powers to discipline (or, in our case, never discipline) players and to give locker room speeches when the teams needs an ass-chewing. NO other team in professional sports is run on this “SuperGM model,” not even the Dolphins! Jerry the GM has actually managed to acquire really good talent for the team. But Jerry the SuperGM (something he only is because he owns the team) has created an organizational culture that is absolutely inimical to getting the most out of those players. Part of it is fomenting “the circus” because it is free publicity for his asset. Part of it is in being like an enabling parent for a host of players who contribue to an underachieving culture. From a fan’s perspective, he really is a bad owner.

by TimSchultz36 on Feb 17, 2009 11:12 AM CST reply actions  

"Desperate Post... Silly Post"

Wow, you and Dave 33 are real class acts.

You know disagreeing with someone is one thing, but both of you come out holier than thou and basiclly talk to Jim like he’s a freaking idiot.

You have someone take their time and right a well educated post, (Nothing he says isn’t true.) and you have two guys come out and just bascilly say that everything he says is garbage.

This is the second time I’ve seen this happen since I moved over to BTB from BSR.

The thing is, I don’t really disagree with everything you’re saying, just the way you went about saying it. Very rude in my opinion.

Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......

by AirforceBat on Feb 17, 2009 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

It's just condescending really...

Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......

by AirforceBat on Feb 17, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Not condescension, its analysis

Desperation is defined as involving or employing extreme measures in an attempt to escape defeat or frustration. In my opinion, and that’s all it is, comparing Jerry Jones to the some of the worst owners in NFL history is extreme, in fact, its pretty damn condescending to Jerry Jones. And if that is the only way we can make this guy look good, that’s desperate. That’s not a comment on Jim Vance. I don’t know the guy; its not personal. And I am sure he doesn’t take it that way. He may even agree that its not been Jerry’s year when he has to be compared to the worst in order to look halfway decent.

"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach

by dave33 on Feb 17, 2009 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I think you pointed out his flaws very well. I think the SuperGM is a good discription but I dont think his make him a bad owner.

Jerry has also had some bad breaks. Salary cap management came about at our/His peak. Nobody but nobody had a clue on how to manage it. What Jerry did do was help teach the rest of the league what not to do. Some of his bad times are tied up directly to this. Sometimes there is good timing in life and sometimes their is bad.
I like Jerry and give him high marks. His good traits easily out weight his bad. I think we have a circus going on but I also think he will learn from it and fix it. I hope he allows Stephen more say. I think the stadium and the team are 2 much for 1 man. Hopefully with the stadium coming to an end the complete focus will be back on the team.

by squidlo97 on Feb 17, 2009 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Write*

Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......

by AirforceBat on Feb 17, 2009 11:48 AM CST reply actions  

Jerry Jones is not the Dallas Cowboys

"The very best football players have to depend more on their teammates. All eleven men on a team have specific roles on every play. Unless each successfully does his part, the play won’t work. It’s a coordinated effort.

It’s not enough for ten out of eleven defensive men to perform their assignments perfectly. Ninety percent performance can mean one hundred percent failure. Everyone has to do his job. If one blocker misses a block, the best runner can be tackled for no gain. If just one defensive player misses his assignment, you have a huge hole the offense can run through for a touchdown.

What this means is that in football no one individual can be more important than the team. Sometimes this is a hard lesson for the most talented athletes to learn; it’s why some very gifted players bounce from team to team. It’s also why in football the greatest superstars may not be the ones with the most physical talent; they’re the ones who learn to adapt and fit their talents into the team concept. Prima donnas don’t often make great football players and it’s even more seldom that they make for a successful team."

—Tom Landry

Does anyone on this blog really think that the same doesn’t apply to ownership?

When you have an owner, a check signer, who drives away a winning coach, because he wants the credit for the team the coach built and can’t handle it when the coach won’t give it to him, what does that say?

When you have a general manager, who insists on having the final say in all football decisions because, hey, he’s also the owner, and then continues to make poor coaching hires, failed free agent acquisitions, bad trades, and bum draft picks, to the detriment of the team, what does that say?

When you have an owner/general manager who has overseen a culture of complacency and coddles players on an underachieving team that hasn’t produced a winning record in December or a single playoff win in January for twelve consecutive years, what does that say?

I’ll tell you what it says to me. It says this isn’t about ownership or general management; it’s about self-aggrandizement. And that is the demon of ego.

Witness the monument to his vanity being built in Arlington. You know, the one without adequate parking, surrounded by highway construction (anyone thinks the Texas Department of Transportation is going to fix that mess anytime soon is a fool), that he can’t even sell the naming rights to so he can take some pressure off his mortgage payments.

Please. “Vanities, all is vanities” (Proverbs).

No, I don’t blame Jerry Jones for the economic downturn. I’m just pointing out the fact that as a result of it he can’t afford to correct the mistakes he’s made, of which there are many.

Jerry Jones is not the Dallas Cowboys, as much as he’d like to be thought of as them. I couldn’t care less about him. I only care about the team.

But then I’m Old School. I grew up under Landry and fully embrace his philosophy of football. You use the game as a vehicle for personal excellence, to become the best you can be. You subordinate your ego to what is best for the team. You do your job, man your position, and execute your assignment. You go all out, leave everything on the field. When you do that, the outcome on the scoreboard ultimately doesn’t matter. You can be outscored and still walk off the field with your head held high, a winner. When you don’t do that, the outcome on the scoreboard does matter. You will be beaten and walk off the field with your head down, a loser.

This is why some players, like, oh I don’t know, Roger Staubach, can be successful on and off the field. He was outscored in two Super Bowls, but he was never beaten. He used the game as a vehicle for personal excellence and walked off the field with his head held high. Then he left football, went into business, became enormously successful, and made tens of millions. Why? Because he applied what he learned in football to business. And what did he learn? It’s not about him.

This is a lesson that Jerry Jones has failed to learn. He wants it all to be about him. About the coach he hired, the free agent he signed, the player he drafted, the stadium he built. He’s the worst prima donna in franchise history!

Has Jerry Jones ever admitted that driving away Johnson and hiring Switzer was a mistake? Has he ever admitted that signing Deion and losing 16 verterans was a disaster? Has he ever admitted that trading for Joey Galloway was a bad deal? Has he ever admitted that drafting Quincy Carter was an unmitigated failure? Has he ever admitted that every coach he’s hired since Johnson has been unable to build a championship team, much less win a playoff game since Switzer? Has he ever admitted that his draft busts far exceed his draft finds? Has he ever admitted that the only constants over twelve years of December fades and January collapses are him and Joe Juraszek?

They say it’s better to be lucky than good. That’s a myth. I’d rather be good. Luck is a lady, and she’s fickle. Sure, she’ll help you win big, and then she’ll turn her back as you lose horribly. If you’re good, consistently good, you won’t win all the time—no one does—but at the end of the day, you’ll win more than you lose. That’s the point.

Jerry Jones is lucky that the Cowboys are the premiere franchise in all of sports. He can thank Schramm, Landry and Johnson for that, because he had very little to do with it.

Question: How long do you expect the Cowboys to remain the premiere franchise with all the general mismanagement going on today?

You can build the biggest stadium in the history of the world and it won’t mean squat, not if you can’t field a winning team. And Jerry Jones has not proven that he can do that, because he wants it to all be about him, not the team. That’s the problem right there.

"Coaching is getting men to do what they do not want to do, in order to get them to achieve what they want to achieve." --Tom Landry

by The Soothsayer on Feb 17, 2009 1:22 PM CST reply actions  

Your post and that quote from Landry make me proud to be "old school"

"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach

by dave33 on Feb 17, 2009 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh good god....

Proud to be “old school”?

Dude you’re a fan of a football team, it’s not like it’s a personal accomplishment.

That’s borderline weird.

Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......

by AirforceBat on Feb 17, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

leave me alone

"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach

by dave33 on Feb 17, 2009 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Haha

I guess all of us who don’t worship Landry can be the nWo…..4 liiiiiiiiife.

Haha.

Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......

by AirforceBat on Feb 17, 2009 4:41 PM CST up reply actions  

what does that mean?

"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach

by dave33 on Feb 17, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

"nWo…..4 liiiiiiiiife."

"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach

by dave33 on Feb 17, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

New World Order

It was a early 90’s wrestling faction that disrespected veteran and older wrestlers.

Today, it’s just a organization that runs the world. It’s on the back of the 1 dollar bill.

~Texas Massacre 08~

by TheHeat on Feb 17, 2009 6:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Haha

I was wondering if someone would catch that.

Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......

by AirforceBat on Feb 17, 2009 11:24 PM CST up reply actions  

"Old school" is a philosophy

that is espoused in Soothsayer’s post and in the Landry quote. You seem to follow me around this board and slam everything I have to say without every trying to understand it.

"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach

by dave33 on Feb 17, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Thank you Soothsayer

You expressed my sentiments far more articulately than I ever have on Jerry Jones. Your initial Landry quote and your signature line sum up EXACTLY what is wrong with the team today.

by JimmyJohnson on Feb 17, 2009 10:47 PM CST up reply actions  

eh

Don't believe everything you think.

Your causes are cute!!!

by stoproyce on Feb 17, 2009 1:57 PM CST reply actions  

I believe in those philosophies in life. I respect and admire those men.

As far as Jerry admitting his mistakes I dont recall Landry or Schramm doing that either. Losing 16 veterans had to do with a brand new salary cap era that Landry never dealt with. Had Landry and/or Shramm been owners (and couldnt have been fired) would have they to gone on stumbling and losing for several more years before turning it around.. They didnt have the look of men on their way back up when they were fired. Had the salary cap era come about in their day I wonder if said sustained success would have happened. Does Jerry win more SBs because he doesnt lose so many players to FA. Would landry last 20 plus years with one team with todays pressure and media.

You keep mention the stadium as a testament to his Jerrys ego. That is clearly a personal issue you have with him. That has nothing to do with him as an Owner/GM.

I havent lived in Dallas for 20+ years but Im as proud of that stadium as anyone. If you want to talk about whats wrong lets talk about cities who build these stadiums with taxpayers funds and dont have money for schools or Librarys. At least Jerry has put up a ton of money and steps up and puts his money where his mouth is. He hasnt held his city hostage because of our love of his team

As some of the stats have showed in earlier posts. There is just not that much difference between the two regimes
.
Im a christian and believe and try to adhere to these beliefs or moral code you seem to be insinuating. What I dont, do because of my faith is pass judgement on others.

by squidlo97 on Feb 17, 2009 2:15 PM CST reply actions  

Um, wrong.

I’m not passing judgement on Jerry Jones. I’m criticizing him. There is a difference.

It is true that neither Landry nor Johnson had to deal with the salary cap. It’s also true that Jerry Jones has, and he’s made terrible mistakes signing free agents, making trades and drafting busts, not to mention hiring coaches. That is undeniable.

As far as the new stadium goes—that would be the one he can’t even sell the naming rights to—I’m all for it. Texas Stadium was getting old and could never host a Super Bowl, so it was time for a change and an upgrade.

Question: Would you rather host a Super Bowl or win one? Or, rather, how about win several? Just asking.

My problem with the new stadium is that it’s been poorly planned. There is not adequate parking—Jerry had to lease parking space from the Wal-Mart across the highway. So most fans are going to have to walk two miles just to get to it. This across highway construction. Does that sound like it was well-planned to you?

Anyone else besides me remember Evan Oglesby? Cornerback, drafted by Dallas, never panned out, signed with Baltimore (and played in the conference championship this year, which is more than I can say for any other player signed or retained by Jerry Jones over the last 15 years). Well, he took his signing bonus and bought some land in Arlington years ago. Now, Jerry is building a monument to his vanity right next to that property, without adequate parking. So Oglesby figures that he’ll build a parking garage, and he’ll no doubt receive a better return on his investment than Jones will.

The bottom line is this. Why are the Dallas Cowboys the most watched team in the NFL? Answer: because their uniforms look best on TV. You can thank Tex Schramm for that. A former television producer, he was a stickler for uniforms. (And ultimately the entire league adopted his standards.) He got the idea for the blue from the color of the upholstery in his Buick and the idea of the silver/green pants from the color on a Pontiac. The white was his idea, because it looks cleaner on TV.

Incidentally, the Star was originally supposed to represent a badge. The original name for the Cowboys was supposed to be the Rangers, as in the Texas Rangers of law enforcement fame. But another team already had the rights to that name, so the original contracts had to be rewritten (scratched out) to include the name Cowboys.

When the NFL and television married, the Dallas Cowboys were known as the bridesmaids, because they couldn’t win. Once they started winning, and winning consistently, they became America’s Team.

Absent the uniforms Schramm created and the winning tradition Landry founded, Dallas would be just another team. And had Jerry Jones bought any other team, he’d be just another owner. Another failed owner, that is, because he obviously can’t field a championship team without Johnson.

"Coaching is getting men to do what they do not want to do, in order to get them to achieve what they want to achieve." --Tom Landry

by The Soothsayer on Feb 17, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

The best uniforms in sports

though the winning tradition is what made me a fan as I was growing up in NJ.

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Feb 17, 2009 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes but

Schramm chose white as the team’s home color unifrorm. Teams normally wore their colors when playing home games. This way, Dallas would wear white for both home and away games and still does when they can get away with it.

by jevans1729 on Feb 17, 2009 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah we rarely see the blue jerseys

and we see the classic blue on whites once a year

"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips

by MrMinority on Feb 17, 2009 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

You may be critizing but it read judgemental.

Stadiums and parking today is a nightmare. To have all of the room these stadiums need puts them to far from the cities to have the economical impact that it takes to pay for them. washington field is the same and from what I read it seems all of the new stadiums havent done well with parking. I dont live in Dallas but from what I read nobody but Arlington wanted to play ball.

Im still willing to bet JJ pulls this off and the cities and him will profit nicely in due time. Naming rights will happen he justs needs to adjust his prices for todays times.

I dont care where the Unis came from and if winning SBs is the measuring stick Jerry still wins.
What I dont understand you only talk about JJ failings and Tex and Landrys successes. Did the Cowboys even have a good draft after the dirty dozen. Dorsett was a good move but from 78 on they pretty much sucked. Go take a look at the drafts from 78-87 and its not any better than drafts 96 to 2003. You seem to give those guys a free pass. Some of those picks are embarassing.

I definitely wish for the consistency the Cowboys had in the late 60s and early 70s but I think the game is more competive and the salary cap makes it difficult. Comparing regimes from different eras is tough. Comparing them to this era I would only put Kraft and Rooney above JJ. I also look at the hiring of BP is when our business model changed. I want to believe we just havent benefited yet. I may feel different in 2-3 year with the same success as the previous 13.

by squidlo97 on Feb 17, 2009 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

John 7:24

“Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment”

~Texas Massacre 08~

by TheHeat on Feb 17, 2009 6:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice post, but a bad premise

Thanks for taking the time to write, but your basic premise is flawed. While it makes sense to compare a business practice to businesses in other industries on one level, you cannot ignore what is happening within the industry.

Jerry employs a business model – himself as GM – that only one other owner in the league employs. Those two owners have had abysmal success records in the last decade. What that tells me is that as a businessman, he should swallow his ego and consider other business models which make be working better.

by vinyltoupee on Feb 17, 2009 2:23 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah, it is pretty simple, really.

He needs to find a good, proven GM who’s worked at other franchises for a while, a Polian (?) kind of guy, admit how old he’s getting as a public excuse (since he won’t admit failure), and hand the footbal operations over.

Or even hand them over to his son if that’s his plan, and try that out.

He can get plenty of publicity as just the owner, after all.

by Realist Larry on Feb 17, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

KC has a winning history but I'm suprised Polian choose to work there

and not somewhere more cash flush. KC will not be able to financially support a dynasty at any point, not like Dallas or NE. Polian is already going to have to run his franchise differently just because the profit margins are immensely smaller.

by AustonianAggie on Feb 17, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

He does have alot of good young players though. He also has a good owner.

I would have took that job if I was Polian. Great history and a great division and super fans.

by squidlo97 on Feb 17, 2009 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Scott Pioli

Polian is in Indy, although he is also an astute president/GM.

In-YOUR-endo

by accidental innuendo on Feb 17, 2009 5:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, that's why I put that " ? " in there.

As for having Belechek and Brady,Squid, well, he was the GM, didn’t he GET those guys?

by Realist Larry on Feb 17, 2009 9:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Jerry the Owner will be in the Hall of Fame

The business moves he has made since buying the Cowboys have been nothing hsort of brilliant, raising the value of his franchise and the league.

Jerry the Super Genius GM should set up a fantasy football league where he cannot do any damage.

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Feb 17, 2009 2:42 PM CST reply actions  

lady luck

we can sit here all day and argue about the team getting the lucky bounces in 2007 but not 2008. i, for one, don’t see it that way. you still have to be good enough to capitalize on that good bounce so we were good not just lucky in 2007. now what happened in 2008 that was different? injuries. lots of them. to some key players. yes jerry probably is vain. and really since i’m not around to hear the conversations i don’t know how good a gm he is or isn’t. i think we will bounce back in 2009 and i can’t wait til the may otas.

by maxdout on Feb 17, 2009 2:47 PM CST reply actions  

Hint of news on the TO issue

someone can turn this into an official post if they see fit.

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/02/jerry-jones-hints-that-to-will-return.html

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Feb 17, 2009 3:02 PM CST reply actions  

good, now the team can move on

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Feb 17, 2009 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

my 2 cents is he's back

Jones sticks by his beliefs, including in people. Taking that with a grain of salt, he has 89.3% more faith in TO than in Pacman, and TO probably deserves it on the Pacman-tank johnson-TO scale

by AustonianAggie on Feb 17, 2009 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

TO deserves much more faith than Pacman

TO is a frigging primadonna, but the police have no interest in his life, unlike Pacman, who probably knows his miranda rights better than the cops who are reading them to him

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Feb 17, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

If I recall Dallas PD was quite interested in putting down TO

the union spokesperson was pretty insulting… i’m not dissagreeing with you but Dallas PD did manage to get a word in on TO, “little football playing person”

by AustonianAggie on Feb 17, 2009 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

NO ONE wants to win more than Jerry...

I just love this about him. Sure he takes risks and makes mistakes. And people can (and will) take issue with his role as an Owner/GM and the fallout from this. But make no mistake… he wants to win. This is cliche, of course, as every owner does. However, much of it is lipservice. How many owners go to the lengths he does to try and make it happen. I’ll take Jerry over just about anyone.

by Boundforbeach on Feb 17, 2009 3:08 PM CST reply actions  

I love/hate Jerry Jones but since Jimmy left the Jerry product has not been as good.

Let’s face it, Jimmy Johnson is/was the best talent evaluator in football and thats why we won. When he left, product suffered as decisions on player personel repeatedly worsened. Now Parcells left and the Dolphins are better and we are worse. We continue to get swindled by the Dolphins who now have better talent evaluators. Jerry has the money and is good with the business, but as far as talent goes he should stay away.

by sam0807 on Feb 17, 2009 3:25 PM CST reply actions  

Our draft last year was every bit as good as theirs. They picked way sooner.

My gosh, I think Im truning into Terry only Im defending JJ. I think one day JJ will get us another SB.

by squidlo97 on Feb 17, 2009 3:40 PM CST reply actions  

and we trade

Akin Ayodele and Anthony Fasano for a combined 4th rd pick and you dont think we got swindled?

by sam0807 on Feb 17, 2009 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

our draft was as good?

They arent good if they dont play….

by sam0807 on Feb 17, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

No decision on TO, but new DC
ARLINGTON, Texas — Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones insists he hasn’t decided whether Terrell Owens will return and that coach Wade Phillips will be his own defensive coordinator in 2009.

Jones also said Tuesday he wasn’t surprised an agreement couldn’t be reached with Dan Reeves. The former Cowboys player who coached the Denver Broncos and Atlanta Falcons to the Super Bowl was set to join the team as a consultant before the deal fell through at the last minute.

Repeated questions over the status of Owens angered Jones. Speculation about the receiver’s future has swirled since the Cowboys’ season imploded with a blowout loss at Philadelphia that kept Dallas out of the playoffs.

Defensive coordinator Brian Stewart was fired a few weeks later, and Jones said Tuesday he decided not to hire a replacement.

Terry called it.

link

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z

by Wmillion on Feb 17, 2009 3:58 PM CST reply actions  

but no new DC..^^^

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z

by Wmillion on Feb 17, 2009 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, not buying it. Saying it could be worse doesn't make it good.

I believe the guy IS too involved in day-to-day operations, that he undermines his coaches with regard to discipline, and I’m not convinced he does have any respect for Cowboys’ history or the fans. He’s a great businessman; he knows how to make money. He’s a wretched coach.

by Fernie67 on Feb 17, 2009 5:06 PM CST reply actions  

+1

the one thing that someone brought up earlier though, is why he’s not coming right out and saying TO’s staying. Is he just trying to keep the media spotlight?

by texstar on Feb 17, 2009 5:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Great Owner and business man...... promoter,

but not as good as a GM/HC…….though, he has learned plenty through his many years.

However, JJ has failed to learn the most fundamental element of an organization…. let the HC do his job and not undermine his authority……or for sure he will be set up to fail.

If a person has a responsibility……he must have the authority to meet that responsibility and there are no ands, ifs or buts about it……………………..

by Geeter on Feb 20, 2009 1:29 AM CST reply actions  

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