Cowboys Draft Profiles -- Wide Receiver
by Rafael Vela on Feb 17, 2009 10:36 PM CST
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PrintThis is the first in a series examining the Cowboys' draft preferences by position. Today, we look at wide receivers.
When I eyed the Cowboys' receiving corps at Oxnard last year, I felt I was viewing the products of a successful cloning operation. Look at the consistency of receiver size:
| Player | height | weight | age | draft rd. |
| Miles Austin | 6'3" | 216 | 24 | UFA |
| Patrick Crayton | 6'0" | 205 | 29 | 7th |
| Sam Hurd | 6'2" | 196 | 23 | UFA |
| Terrell Owens |
6'3" |
218 | 35 | 3rd |
| Isaiah Stanback | 6'2" | 208 | 24 | 4th |
No shrimps need apply. Add the 6'3", 220 lb. Roy Williams to the list and you have a clear size template -- Dallas likes its receivers in the Michael Irvin mold: only Crayton is shorter than 6'2" and only Hurd weighs less than 205 lbs. (Irvin, of course, listed at 6'2", 205.)
Dallas looks for wideouts who can provide a well-rounded game. The team looks for:
- players who can block;
- players who have deep speed;
- players who have exceptional hands;
- players who are quick in and out of cuts and can separate;
Above all, they want playmakers. Guys who can make the most of the three, four or five times they'll touch the football in a game.
Projection: The Cowboys don't appear likely to select a receiver high in the draft. That said, they've had good success mining the late rounds and after rounds. Crayton, Miles Austin and Hurd were all found in the 7th round or later.
When you're looking at prospects from the 4th round and later, know that there is some flexibility in the size profiles. The Cowboys will take a big receiver who lacks great speed if he can block and has exceptional hands. Hurd fits this profile.
The Cowboys will also take a smaller wideout, but he will need to have exceptional speed and quickness to compensate for his likely blocking deficiencies. I was told if you see a 5'9" guy, ask yourself, can he run like a Steve Smith or a DeSean Jackson? Can he run routes and separate like Wes Welker? Can he make a place for himself on third downs?
Lower-round guys will also have to prove it on special teams. When you find a bigger wideout, see if he draft profile says anything about kick coverage skills. The Austins and Hurds won their spots their rookie years because they could play gunners on punts and play the edges on kickoffs. If you're profiling a smaller wideout, see if he can return punts. And I'm taking at Dante Hall's level, not at Skyler Green's.
Let's look one last time at Danny Amendola as a long shot that failed. Once you know the Cowboys' preferences, you can see why he didn't stick. He was a productive college player, but lacked the top gear, and extra degree of shake to make the pro cut.
Now that you know what Dallas is looking for, and where they're likely to be looking, you should be able to filter the receivers' ranks to a handful or two of prospects. Tell us what you find.
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Hakeem Nicks seems like the most obvious choice
But there’s almost no way he’d be there for our second round selection.
I’d love to have that guy, he reminds me of Plaxico at his best.
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-Stephen Colbert
Mistake
I had Hakeem Nicks on the mind, but I was in fact alluding to Kenny Britt. That’s my boy.
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by Conjunction on Feb 17, 2009 11:39 PM CST up reply actions
+1000 on Kenny Britt
As a season holder of the great (kidding) Rutgers Scarlet Knights and an alum, KB is a great reciever.. Any team would be lucky to have the combination of speed, hands and physicality that KB possesses.. Were not gonna get him, but as long as the Giants or the Eagles dont get him, im fine with that
A Cowboy fan from Dallas residing in enemy terretory since 1990..
As things stand now,
I’d agree. If Austin and/or Owens departs, though, it becomes a priority. Do you feel comfortable with Sam Hurd and Stanback, considering their injury history and lack of production to this point?
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by Conjunction on Feb 17, 2009 10:50 PM CST up reply actions
Either way...
They aren’t going to pick a widereceiver with their first pick.
That would be equivalant(because of the Roy Williams trade) of picking wideouts with you’re first two picks.
That’s even risky in fantasy football.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Feb 17, 2009 11:17 PM CST up reply actions
I'd like to see Stanback's shoulder
I’m a lot more bullish on him than a lot of posters here and elsewhere.
Let’s say for arguments sake that either T.O. or Austin leaves. Dallas still has three receivers. Either T.O.-Williams-Crayton or Williams-Austin-Crayton.
You want to take the top pick on a WR, when the team will need a S, G, ILB and maybe a NT? I don’t think WR becomes a top priority unless a guy they have assigned a late round or very high 2nd round grade falls to 51 and he’s just too good a value to pass up.
it was preseason but he had a kick return that I thought was phenomenal this year
He cut like lightening
by AustonianAggie on Feb 18, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
I believe the list is as such
Dallas 2nd
Cleveland 3rd
Detroit 4th
Tennessee 4th
Dallas 4th
Dallas 5th
Miami 6th
Dallas 7th
Detroit 7th
And then some comp picks
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by Conjunction on Feb 17, 2009 11:10 PM CST up reply actions
we have....
51st (2nd)
69th (3rd)
97th (4th)
113th (4th)
148th (5th)
158th (5th)
184th (6th)
193rd (7th)
210th (7th)
we probably will also have another two fifth rounders around 168 and 169 due to compensation for Julius and revees
Rutgers WR
Kenny Brit —-6’4" 215lbs-
Stats Overview Receiving Rushing Fumbles
YEAR REC YDS AVG LNG TD ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
2006 29 440 15.2 74 2 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
2007 62 1232 19.9 53 8 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
2008 87 1371 15.8 93 7 7 75 10.7 31 1 0 0
Being stuck in NJ, I got to see alot of him and If he is available come pick time….he is a keeper
His stats are without any great QBs and in 2007 he put up good #’s with Ray Rice (Baltimore Ravens) at RB
and even better #s this year without a consistent QB or a real run support game.
Yeah...
I think he’s going to be around 2-4 round guy.
I think he definitly fits the mold, but it really depends on if Dallas wants to pick one that high.
His combine performance will really place him.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Feb 17, 2009 11:30 PM CST up reply actions
Britt Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a98USWn8dG0
He can block also:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HYzZzufMRU
Even play a little defense:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5bmvT8odZ4
I doubt we are taking a WR anywhere in this draft
we already have our WR depth chart set for next season. Can’t see anyone we draft cracking it. it would basically be a wasted pick.
Yeah
Unless as Raf pointed out the player provides greatly on special teams.
quincyyy
I can see one of the 6th or 7th round picks and a couple of UFAs brought in.
Sam Hurd isn’t bullet proof. And this is Stanback’s make or break year.
Hurd is an UFA.....so there's no saying if he's coming back or not....
Stanback is going to step it up big time this year….just got that feeling…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 18, 2009 3:57 AM CST up reply actions
I agree with that
the guy just needs to stay on the field and get as many reps as he can.
And this will be Year #3 for Stanback...
…as all of you well know, supposedly the pivotal season for a WR to “put it all together.”
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
although his first year was more of a "red shirt" year by the views of many...
not to worry though…cuz i believe he’s way ahead of the curve and ready to contribute this season…but as a 5th WR / KR , don’t expect monster reception numbers..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 18, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
good point, sir.
it’d be cool if red ball could find a way to design a handful of plays for guys like stanback and austin… and several for f. jones — just to keep the “D” honest. those types of plays would make free things up for the starters at da skill positions.
hopefully, he’s making the most of the offseason installing newer, imaginative stuff to add to his predictable playbook.
year #3 will be pivotal for mr. garrett, as well.
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
garrett's career hinges on this years offense being lights out...no excuses this time..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 18, 2009 8:59 PM CST up reply actions
co-sign
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
by silverblue5 on Feb 19, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
Rafael
Are you going to be able to cover camp in person this year?
If you are beating a dead horse, you might be a Cowboys fan.
I was StarStruck at TBB/BSR, now...
Cool, I hope you do.
If you are beating a dead horse, you might be a Cowboys fan.
I was StarStruck at TBB/BSR, now...
Since we're talking draft...
i previously commented on DE prospect, Larry English, and DB “Macho” Harris, because i saw them as posibilities for Dallas.
but now, the more obvious prospects are being revealed. so i have been researching a couple of prospects, fan favorites, rather.
DT Ron Brace, BColl:
He is a HUGE question mark to me. I do not like him in the 2nd round one bit. His positives are his size and bulk, of course. I feel, however, that his “potential” is clouding the real player. And, this player behind all of this fog, in my opinion is a 4th round talent.
Brace did not dominate. a 2nd round talent should dominate, when paired with a top 10 talent, such as BJ Raji, as BJ requires barrels of attention. When matched up 1-on-1, Brace failed to delivery anything worth calling a pass rush. His strength as a run stuffer often came when he was 1-on-1, as Raji was double teamed.
He does have a motor, though. and he flashes bizarre strength. I just personally i’m tired of gambles. i think he is a 2nd round gamble.
S Louis Delmas, WMich:
Delmas was a favorite of mine, until i studied him. i liked his look and stats. But, i feel that he is not pro ready; although, i think he is the type of player who can be coached up. Delmas is a leader, loves to hit, and he is very tough.
I don’t like his speed, his tackling style, or his size. Delmas is slower than advertised. He is definately not Roy-slow, but he seems to lack the burst that top defenders have, or something. I cannot put my finger on it. I can say, though, that he does not seem much faster than the level of his competition. He MUST get bigger. He can be a Bob Sanders, but even the Colts’ Mighty Mouse was bigger coming into the league.
Delmas’ tackling is inconsistent. He wants to deliver the big hit, but when he does, of course, he fails to wrap up. He loves to go for the legs, too. And, his technique allows him to wrap up legs effectively. I like the guy, but he looks like a CB reject (aren’t all safties!).
I’d be satisfied with him at pick 51, but not joyous. I’d take him in the 3rd round in a heartbeat. And i would be more likely to take a flyer on Brace in the 3rd, natuarally.
I said Larry English resembled John Abraham and “Macho” Harris resembled Bob Sanders.
Delmas reminds me of … Drum roll please… … a slow Adam Jones. This is a physical complarison of course.
I’m looking at Rashad Johnson from ALA currently. I’m disappointed. He reminds me of Roy. Yes, that Roy.
You raise a great point on Brace
And after Bobby Carpenter, whose play was amplified by the great players who surrounded him, I’m wary of guys like that. Consider this on his pass-rushing acumen, though; the premier NTs in this league don’t get penetration. They wrap up blockers consistently and stuff the run like nobody’s business, but they are the definition of one-dimensional. Casey Hampton, for instance, has 5.5 sacks throughout his entire career. If Brace truly ‘bizarre’ strength, and his size allows him to pick up blockers, he has a place on this team.
Kanye, you want to be the voice of this generation? Get in line! It goes me, Obamagirl, the Freecreditreport.com guys, then It's a tie between you-and Crocs.
-Stephen Colbert
A "slow Adam Jones?"
Apples to oranges.
Jones was a true corner, a top 6 pick.
Delmas is rated anywhere from the early 2nd to the late 2nd. He plays safety.
I’ll bet you could say “slow Adam Jones” of 95% of the cornerbacks in this year’s draft.
by Rafael Vela on Feb 18, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
Not Apples and Oranges.
I’m talking physical similarities and appearance.
Delams’ size (or build) resembles Jones. Mostly, Delmas’ tackling technique resembles Jones. Both players are more than willing to stick thier respective heads into a skirmish with successful results, which not all CBs or Ss care able or willing to do.
I’ve always admired Pacman’s open field tackling. Delmas has a very similar style. The obvious differences are maturity and foot speed.
I love ya Raf, but i’ll take the point on this one.
by falconPUNCH on Feb 18, 2009 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
Delmas is already a dozen pounds heavier than Jones
and will likely gain weight in a pro lifting and nutrition program.
He does need to improve his tackling technique, but he’s got the aggessiveness needed.
And Delmas gets his hands on the ball. I see two S prospects this year that do this consistently — Delmas and Rashad Johnson (who is the exact same height and weight as Delmas, BTW).
I’ll be very happy with either one of them. I like Jonnson better, but these are the only two S prospects who excite me this year.
by Rafael Vela on Feb 18, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
Regarding Johnson
I’m very, very picky when i evaluate talent. And, i have to admit that i like Johnson less and less, the more i look at him. His Run stuffing reminds me of Roy Williams, and he often barely wins 1-on-1 tackling with shoe string tackles. I’ve also seen him take many bad angles on deep passes.
by falconPUNCH on Feb 18, 2009 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
Johnson is lighter than Delmas from the reports i've read...
Scott Wright’s Draft Countdown listings :
Delmas – 5’11" 196lbs.
Johnson – 6’0" 187lbs.
I guess we’ll find out the real numbers at the combine this week :-)
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 18, 2009 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
Go back to Wright's site
and look at the Senior Bowl weigh-in numbers, which are the most recent weights:
Delmas — 5’11", 197
Johnson — 5’11", 195
if you want to get really picky
Johnson is two tenths of an inch taller than Delmas, and two pounds lighter.
Physically, they’re the same player.
True, but Adam Jones has the look of a corner back
Pacman, Tnew, Darrel Green, Aaron Glenn all had similar anatomy. I’m sure if we looked through history we’d see a lot of players who fit this 5’10, lean, fast mold
by AustonianAggie on Feb 18, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
also, Scandrick fits that mold
Micheal Jenkins looks like Deion, when they’re standing still… And when they’re going for the tackle.
Scandrick out played Jenkins last year but I’m pretty excited about both players
by AustonianAggie on Feb 18, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
Drafttek.com us taking in the latest mock
51st (2nd) Saftey Louis Delmas
69th (3rd) OG Kevin Urbik
97th (4th) OLB Cody Brown
113th (4th) ILB Scott Mckillop
148th (5th) OT Sebastian Vollmer
158th (5th) WR Kenny McKinley
184th (6th) CB Joe Burnett
193rd (7th) NT Darryl Richard
210th (7th) FB Quinn Johnson
Overall decent draft. Hate not getting any NT help until the 7th and Richards is a little light (306) but he is a good player. Love the Quinn Johnson pick. Awesome to get Delmas and Urbik, both quality players at need positions.
That looks good to me.
Gosh, if Mckillop isn’t a Cowboy next year, every mock in the country will have missed their mark.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 18, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
I'm starting to devalue the idea that the Boys will go for interior oline
early in the draft, counting more on Montrae Holland… clearly Oline depth is needed, but they aren’t in an arm-bar over the position
by AustonianAggie on Feb 18, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
I must
respectfully disagree. I don’t know of any of our “High Paid” offensive linemen I would not upgrade if given the chance.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
No,
I just think they are not the “Best of the Best”. I did not see anything from any one of them to make me say WOW, that dude is incomprehensibly great. I wouldn’t want to meet any of them in a dark alley, but I also wouldn’t want to depend on them to keep a sixth grader from kicking me in the shins either.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
Holland can't be perceived as the long term solution at LG after Kosier....
Kosier is in his last year of contract, Holland was booted out of Denver, McQuistan is looking worse every day he’s being outplayed by the likes of Cory Proctor…..We have no depth at all at OC, and it’s time to land a big stud Center that can also play some OG in a pinch…..
Mack
Unger
Wood
Caldwell
Luigs
Give me one of those guys and i’ll be happy..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 18, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
Even if Kosier
or Holland had been healthy all year it would just have brought the OL production up to average. Romo and our backs made them look light years better than they actually were. I must say they probably would have gotten a lit bag of dog poop on their porch from Emmit instead of a big ol Rolex.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
Agreed. However,
Mack will likely go at the very end of round one.
Dallas might get a shot at Wood, Caldwell and Luigs with pick 69 but if they want one they better
take one there. Miami loves Luigs. I doubt they use their 56 on him, but let’s remember, Parcells took Al Johnson very, very high, and 56 is their 2nd pick of the round and third overall.
In short, Dallas may have to use 69 on a center to assure themselves they get one, period.
and they might not have a choice in which one they get
they may just take the one that’s left.
This makes me more convinced that my source’s point that Dallas may just wind up with two OL with their top two picks makes sense.
I don’t think they want it that way. I’m sure they would love a S or a NT, but if that’s how the board breaks, you can’t get cute.
As much,
as I hate to do it, I think this is not the year for a high caliber O Lineman. If they get a great safety, and a good NT, or vice versa I will call it a win for the draft. Jerry is going to have to pull the biggest rabbit ever out of his butt to answer all the needs of this team. If we can stay healthy at OL while they are not great, but they are servicable, no matter what I said earlier.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
They cannot go into the season -- AGAIN --
hoping that the starting five all go 16 games healthy.
Hope is not a plan.
Do you foresee Jerry packaging hi 69 and another pick to move up
if it looks like there will be a run on interior linemen?
by Mandmeisterx on Feb 18, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
He may,
you never know, but he is kind of hamstrung w/o the #1. I hope RW2 is worth it.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
Doubtful any of the elite OT's in this draft would even be there at #20, so i can't blame not having a first rounder being a hinderence on obtaining a great OL prospect...
IF Dallas thinks an OL spot is their most dire need, we can move to the top of the 2nd and have a choice of quite a few quality Centers and Guards, not so much OT’s unless someone feels Britton or Beatty are worthy of moving up for…We can get a pretty decent value OL even if we stay at #51….
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 18, 2009 9:05 PM CST up reply actions
He did hamstring
himself, because he can’t trade down, up or even sideways now. I would love to see him pull off another Quinn trade for next year, but alas it isn’t even possible now. I don’t think we would have had anyone we valued at that spot, but you never can tell and now that Jerry has squandered it we never will.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
but now we don't have a draft blog being dominated by "We NEED a WR" for the 3rd year in a row.
There is absolutely no doubt we were in NEED of a legit #2 WR to alieviate pressure, and coverage off of TO, and we had to have an NFL ready WR to pull it off. I have no regrets about the whole Roy Williams trade. I don’t believe we overpaid one bit. I can always remind people that this years (Cleveland) 3rd rounder (was aquired by trading a 4th rounder last year), so we’re ahead of the game, and have a sure thing, proved himself already WR….not some projected project that we won’t reap the benefits of for a few years. This team is WIN NOW…meaning this year…
There is not one WR in this entire draft I would have taken over Roy Williams at pick #20, so there you go…..Crabtree, Maclin, and Harvin are the only WR’s worthy of top 20 status, and all three will most likely be picked up before pick 20. Any other WR would have been a reach at that spot, although moving down, and taking Heyward-Bey would’ve been alright, IF there was a trade partner in the late 20’s of course…so in essense, we’ll need to track Heyward-Bey and Roy Williams over the next 5 years, and we’ll see who turns out to be the better pro…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 20, 2009 8:24 AM CST up reply actions
I think,
if he had kept to himself I would be warmer to him, but coming in and trashing your coach after being in the Locker room less than 3 months kind of soured me on him. We already have a T.O. and T.O. lite in Crayton. I just want to see someone come in go to work, and get the other players to work hard also. I don’t need to know everything that is going on in the locker room and who is mad a who, and who doesn’t like the coach. I don’t remember being overly fond of any of my coaches, but I darn sure didn’t tell anyone about it.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
it's not like you had a microphone in your face either..lol
He shouldn’t of been talking..i agree….but he wants to be here, and I know he’ll perform much better with an offseason catching balls from Romo….Crayton is the the expendable one in my opinion…I’d like to dangle him out there as trade bait, and see what he’ll get us…3rd-5th maybe..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 20, 2009 8:52 AM CST up reply actions
Well no,
but even if I had, I would still understand that I had some accountability to the coaches and my team. Agian, I think Jerry has a lot to do with this mentality too. Let the coaches coach and discipline the players as necessary. If I was Garret I would run his butt off in practice and then sit him on the bench for the first quarter or two. You want to complain about me? I’ll give you something to complain about you snivelling snot. But, maybe that’s why I’m not a coach for the Cowboys, ya think?
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
There-in lies the problem.....
I think I need to copy and paste my comments because I keep repeating myself. Sorry, to do it again, but until the coaches instill discipline to the players, we will not win. Until Jerry allows the coaches to discipline and be accountable-we will not win. As I said earlier, Romo was throwing picks in training camp but everyone kept saying-no need to worry etc. Well guess what, those picks do matter in training camp don’t they? Players are now saying that Garrett was too easy on Romo in practice because he wouldn’t correct him when he threw picks and ill-advised throws. There again-no accountability. Players have to be accountable for themselves, however, coaches need to make the players accountable as well, especially non-chalant ones like Romo.
Hahaha
He’s already fighting with me on another post. Seen it? BTW, Leach is staying. You probably have already heard.
I hadn't heard about Leach
but that is very good news. It would be better if it required the retirement of the A.D.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
+1....
What’s even more cool, is Leach and Kent Hance (the chancellor) sat down without Myers or Leach’s agent and ironed things out. Hey, what do you expect? Leach never does anything in the norm-haha
Doing something
normal would make him like all the other coaches we had. Do you think Myers is scared of having another McWilliams fiasco?
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
Possibly, but my mother called last
night and was saying that now Myers is saying that contrary to popular belief, he always wanted Leach to stay. What a joke. She said that what’s going around in Lubbock is First, Myers ruined the baskeball team and now he’s trying to ruin the football team. Everyone has turned on him.
Yep, and as flat as Lubbock is
there is absolutely no place to hide.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
+1
I mean, Leach put Tech on the national radar with his unorthodox ways. How can anyone in their right mind dismantle that? From a marketing standpoint it has been huge. I live in Austin and there’s Tech stuff everywhere. You used to never see anything related to Tech here.
It needs to make it up here then.
I live in Wichita Ks, and there is Longhorn crap everywhere here. I’m pissed because I can’t even listen to the games here.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
Yeah, if Tech can have a
really good year next year who knows? I mean Michael Crabtree is everywhere-ESPN,NFL Network etc. Hey, when I was at Tech we got ripped off. We didn’t have the tortillas,Bobby Knight, or Michael Leach.
I may be headed to NC anyway,
so unless Crabtree gets picked by the Panthers I’m sunk even worse. Especially since my car is decked out in Cowboy/ TTU paraphenalia.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
Unfortunately,
I don’t see Crabtree falling that far. Hopefully, for his own sake, I hope he lands with the Seahawks and not the Raiders. I’d hate for a good talented kid end up on that head-case of an owner.
Well at least
He would make bank while he was there. I’m sure Al would make him a multibillionaire.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
That's true.
BTW, Larry Fitz came out yesterday and said that Crabtree is further ahead of him fundamentally than he was coming out of Pitt. If that’s true, he’s going to be a beast if developed properly.
Then I hope he doesn't go to the Raiders.
They can’t develop squat. Pat’s would be good, maybe even Arizona, but he is not making it down that far.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
Please, not the Pats.
I’ve always been a Wes Welker fan, but I couldn’t bear to watch him carve us up when we played the Pats in 07.
If he isn't going to
the Cowboys, then I want him to be the best player possible. I hate the Pats with a passion, but they would make him a great player. I guess Indianapolis would be pretty good too. Just keep him out of Green Bay and NY.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
You think he could learn
something from Peyton and Harrison? Indianapolis becomes a contender again.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
We can agree on that.
I’m just wondering if RW2 will be as good as he thinks he will. Or, will he be as good as the Lion’s say he is.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
I'm not ready to give up on him yet.
Check out startelegram.com. They did an interview with him again,so I’m feeling better about him. Maybe, I just have rose-colored glasses concerning him. You do know that his half-brother did go to Tech (WR)?
I hope you are right,
but like my dad always said. Poop in one hand and hope in the other and see which one comes true first.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
What a waste
why draft a backup that high, I would be furious if we did that. You can draft backups in the later rounds. And maybe I’m alone here, but I think Kosier or Holland would be perfectly fine as our LG.
Think about the future though
Just because they take a interior o-lineman high, doesn’t mean he has to start immediately.
If they like any of the top Guards or Centers, it might be the best value on their board and a great choice in a year or 2.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 18, 2009 10:45 PM CST up reply actions
+1 Tom.....even if you like Holland and Kosier at LG...
This is Kosier’s final year, and more than likely won’t be extended. Holland is adequate for now…but how bout if Kosier, Gurode or Bigg Davis, or any combo of two go down this year ? you have no depth, and no back up Center, no Guard for the future…etc…
I actually think OL is the most dire need, more so than Safety or LB, and most definately should be addressed with one of our first two picks…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 19, 2009 4:45 AM CST up reply actions
We have two former Pro Bowl Safeties, 3 if you want to consider Davis's special team skills...
and FS-Courtney Brown is only going to get better, imo….and i’m not quite sure any of this years group of Safeties are any more athletic than him……or even better in coverage…not one scouting report gives these guys high praise without pointing out defficiencies in their game…
I am NOT saying we don’t need Safeties…In fact, I want us to draft 2 of them….Just NOT with our first pick….What’s the problem here ?
I would take SS-Mike Hamlin in round 3, and he’s going to be a better value, and player than your SS- Patrick Chung in round 2. Heck, I would select SS-Chip Vaughn in round 4, and he is a much better value, and as good or better than Chung in round 2.
Ken Hamlin is NOT getting moved to SS, so you all can forget about picking up a FS (Delmas, Smith, Johnson) in round 2. IF Hamlin was going to be moved, don’t you all think Henry would have moved over to FS by now ? Hamlin proved to be a weak link near the line of scrimage in Baltimore, and has never been mentioned by the staff to be a canidate to move to SS. None of the top 3 FS’s are in the same league as a Kenny Phillips. I doubt highly any of them could come right in here and start this season, so why bother ?
In reality, we need a Strong Safety …William Moore, Patrick Chung, Mike Hamlin, and Chip Vaughn being the 4 best in my opinion….Moore will more than likely gone at #51, there is hope for Chung, but I’m not sold on him being any good in coverage. Mike Hamlin and Chip Vaughn are bigger, and just as good in coverage, and could be had in round 3…..it’s a no brainer, take Hamlin with our 3rd rounder, or Vaugh with our 4th…..
I can name 6 Offensive and Defensive Linemen with a higher draft grade than Chung, so why would I take the Safety before them ?
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 20, 2009 8:46 AM CST up reply actions
I'm still hoping they move Hamlin to SS
I don’t think Anthony Henry has the skills to play FS because he seems pretty slow, besides he’s not under contract for much longer. I would love to see the Cowboys pick up any of those FS that you listed that might be available in the 2nd round. You see that you don’t see any safeties in this draft that don’t have deficiencies which is why they will still be sitting on the board in the 2nd round.
I don’t want to see the Cowboys pick up a SS, I don’t think Hamlin has the coverage skills that we need from our FS. I also think that if Delmas or Smith are taken before we pick, then we go with some other position.
That last comment of yours didn’t really make any sense. You can only name 6? Wouldn’t that mean that Chung would go in the 1st??
I was talking about 6 will be available at #51,,,,,not overall...
possible OL that will be there at #51 that will most likely grade out higher than Patrick Chung.
Duke Robinson-G
Levitrie-G
T Canfield-G
H Johnson-G
E Wood-C/G
J Luigs-C
Loadholt-T
Meredith-T
Kropog-T
D linemen :
J Gilbert
Z Hood
Marks
Brace
Moala
Magee
English
Johnson
Kruger
Ayers
Barwin
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 20, 2009 6:01 PM CST up reply actions
I don't understand why you're so focused on Chung
Like I said, I’m not interested in a SS at #51 and the only FS I would consider at that point are Delmas, Smith and possibly Johnson. I would probably wait till the 3rd round to think about Johnson though.
+1
Just because we lucked out in 07 without any OLine injuries, we thought we thoughts we were covered in 08 but we found out differently right?
I just can't see us getting a quality O-lineman where we are.
We don’t have a number 1 pick, even if we did we need other help in a worse way. I don’t like the way our O-line played this year, but I see no way to effectively get better. We must have a safety that can play in the NFL, and we desperately need a 3-4 nose tackle. I love Ratliff, but he is not a NT and would be a monster moved out where he was always on single blocking. As much as I hate to see us spend our first two picks on Defense AGAIN, I don’t see how we don’t.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
actually Terry...Miami is also looking to go Center....and pick before Pitts...
Tennessee is also a canidate looking for Mawae’s eventual replacement…and rumored to like Mack
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 18, 2009 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
well, Mack or Unger then
but Steelers are definitely going OL this year with their first pick.
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i agree....they franchised Starks, but still have holes with possible FA losses..
I can’t see Duke Robinson getting by them.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 20, 2009 8:47 AM CST up reply actions
It's really time to add some variety to the receiving corps.
It seems we could benefit from having one lightning quick smaller guy who can also double as a return man. I just think it would be nice to present a different look. If not, it would be nice to see Felix Jones moved around a bit more.
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 18, 2009 3:02 AM CST reply actions
This guy fits that mold....Jason Chery- 5'11" 190lbs, recent read reports of a 4.22 40
He’s used in many ways, receiver, rushes, kick return guy, and special teams gunner……someone to look at in the 7th or later….
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=76661&draftyear=2009&genpos=WR
I like him too
he would be a great late round pick, I was kind of disappointed when he wasn’t invited to the combine
keep an eye out for his pro day...
he’s a poor man’s Percy Harvin…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 18, 2009 9:07 PM CST up reply actions
Like Raf said
Sorry, Like Raf said, Stanback is going to be special if he’s not hurt to bad. I remember that one play last year agains Philly in the first game when Felix ran that long touchdown. Stanback caught Felix from behind making up fifteen yards. Stanback is faster than Felix. A lot faster.
Austin showed me all I need to see last year. He can run the shorter routs and he can stretch the field. I think he might be our best reciever. Laugh all you want but he does not drop the ball like Owens, I have not heard a peep out of him, and he is working hard at getting better. He took thousands of reps from the throwing machine after practice last year. I don’t care what his numbers are, give him the same opportunities afforded Owens and I bet he has better numbers.
eleven picks! Throw every mock draft you see out the door. Jerry is going to wheel and deal on draft day. I can’t wait to see what he does.
Special?
How do you know how special Stanback or Austin are going to be? Stanback has shown precisely nothing, and Austin just a little more than nothing. What leads you to believe they’ll ever be able to lift TO’s jock, let alone carry it?
Insanity aside, TO is one of the 10 best WRs ever to play.
Also, please explain what hearing a “peep” from Austin has to do with anything? If he even had an opinion to express, who would listen to Joe Nobody off the practice squad and bench? And why is this a metric by which you’d measure an athlete?
And do you REALLY think Miles Austin is working harder than Terrell Owens? Really? Hopefully they and RWII are working together this offseason.
I know how fun it is to be a fan and champion Joe Underdog off the bench from No Name U who wasn’t drafted and who is the quintessential hard luck story made good. He’s gonna be the next Jerry Rice or Lawrence Taylor or whatever, if only he gets a shot. “I mean gosh, he’s so fast! He just needs a shot and he’ll put TO on the bench.”
Skylar Green, Justin Beriault, Dev Johnson, Randal Williams, Pete Hunter, Markus Steele… and so forth. There’s one every year, isn’t there?
Also, EVERY team has a half dozen no name freaky fast and skilled athletes that every fan thinks is on the brink. And you think two of the Cowboys’ list of maybes, Austin and Stanback, are better than Terrell Owens and Roy Williams?
Just keep
flashing back to Jimmy Smith. Once burned twice shy. We have a bad habit of letting players go right before they explode. Whether it is they go to the right system or we give up too soon, I’m not sure, but I hate to see us keep beating our head on that wall.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
call me young or whatever but
i didnt know who jimmy smith was until i just looked him up on profootballreference why was he out of the league for 3years?
What the French?! Toast!
Jimmy Smith might be a hall of famer
The Jaguars have a pretty good history for a new franchise, and Smith may be their best player in their History. for a new Franchise, they have a lot of competition for that. Boselli, Their first QB (i forget his name), Fred Taylor, Smith, John Henderson.
Anyway, who ever does talent eval for the Jags is pretty good.
Besides the point; nobody thought Skylar was good.
by AustonianAggie on Feb 18, 2009 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
wow, you're definitely young
He was one of the best receivers in the league and was our 2nd rd pick I believe in ’91 or ’92. Jerry gave up on him after he getting sick and the rest is history.
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Jimmy Smith?
You can’t keep everyone hoping they’ll pan out. You have to make decisions. The problem is, in the last 13 years to 3 years, the Cowboys have had garbage to sift through in terms of talented players… for the most part.
Who knows what would’ve come of Jimmy Smith being on the Cowboys? Perhaps he prevents the disastrous Joey Galloway trade, but perhaps not. Other than that, I’m fairly certain he wouldn’t have amounted to any wins or a playoff run. He’d have been a really good WR on a very average and aging team.
And he was let go due to some pretty serious legal issues and bad injuries. It just wasn’t in the cards.
Uh, no
I saw Jimmy Smith in Austin in ’92, one week before he broke his leg. He was destroying the D-backs. He was THE talk of camp. The guy would have been very, very good.
The injuries, well, a broken leg and appendicitis are not that bad. The problem was the mishandling of the near appendix rupture, which led to tall types of bad blood.
And this was Jerry 1.0, when his arrogance and hubris was at an all time high. You think his willingness to stick with T.O. has something to do with his premature abort on Smith? That — and the huge bonus he would have to eat — are probably two big factors.
by Rafael Vela on Feb 18, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
yeah that was a shame. Dallas would never of needed Moss
Dallas’ offense had a chance to be elite as long as we had Irvin, but when he went down and Dallas had neither Smith or Moss, we were hamstrung.
by AustonianAggie on Feb 18, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
For some reason,
I thought Smith’s tenure began in the 1995 time range
Metaphorically Speaking
You’re correct. The Jags picked him up in the expansion draft in ‘95, and that’s when his career took off.
+1 I'll drink that cool-aide
Stanback has elite size and speed, top 2% elite. Miles Austin is an opportunity away from exploding, and yeah anytime a player rated on the Cowboys board is dropping, i expect Dallas to trade its way in to selecting him. Other teams play pretty loose in the end of the draft, often giving up top of 5th, top of 6th for a shot gun approach at the end of the draft
by AustonianAggie on Feb 18, 2009 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
they could also take a college TE
and make him a WR
Like Marques Colston?
that would be a very late round gamble. I don’t know what Rodney Hannah’s blocking is like, I bet though he can probably run routes and catch pretty good.
I suspect Hannah’s problem adapting to the NFL TE position is more about blocking technique than about catching or route running
by AustonianAggie on Feb 18, 2009 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
Rodney Hannah
can’t block a lick. He’s, well, he’s awful. There’s no other way to put it.
I like Kenny Britt from rutgers
look at the video on this guy, big strong, can block.
Hes in the video, like third one shown
The one to watch at the combine will be Ramses Barden from Cal Poly State...
His 40 time will be the most anticipated among all receivers….If he runs under 4.6, he goes from mid to late 3rd round all the way to late 1st , early second, just like that………
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 18, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
Can't wait.
Starts tomorrow, ey?
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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 18, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
But I can't find anybody showing it live.
NFL Network’s is not till this weekend.
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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 18, 2009 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
Ramses Barden
was slow as molasses during Senior Bowl week.
He may run a fast time in the 40, but I would discount it when compared to any game tape or Senior Bowl practice tape. Any team that prioritizes any train-to-the-test 40 time is sucking themselves, IMO.
by Rafael Vela on Feb 18, 2009 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
hey bigham
jimmy smith was an early draft pick (rd2 i think) but suffered some sort of medical condition related to ther stomach and the Cowboys worked out some sort of medical compensation deal with him, he then gets healthy and goes bonkers for the jags.
actually...he had an apendectomy, then aquired an infection after surgery, that was nearly life threatening, that caused him to lose about 30+ pounds and sapped him of his strength...
He was frail, weak, and not responding to treatments for some time, couldn’t gain the weight back, serious lose of strength, and Jimmy Johnson cut bait…..worst move he ever made..I loved Jimmy Smith coming outta college…him and Irvin would’ve been an all time great tandem…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 18, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
Jimmy didn't cut him
He was on the team in ‘94. That’s when the appendix thing occured, I believe. And there was a story that he was misdiagnosed, that he was complaining of pain and the trainers were slow in getting him to the hospital. That may be an apocryphal story but it was blurted out during the Thanksgiving Day ’94 game.
Regardless of who cut him, it was one of the worst moves the team made. He WAS Alvin Harper’s replacement. Think of all the false steps the team made trying to regain what they had all along. You let him heal, there’s no Joey Galloway deal, no Rocket Ismail flirtation, no Anthony Miller fiasco, etc., etc.
by Rafael Vela on Feb 18, 2009 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
Seeee
It is this type of blunder we need to watch for. I am not saying Austin is the next Jimmy Smith, but I would hate to miss him if he was. And, at this point , especially if T.O. is gone we really don’t need go there.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
One thing feeding this Miles Austin fascination is Bill Parcels said he thought
Miles Austin could be a great one.
What I like about Austin is that everything I disliked about his playing he’s fixed and turned in to an asset. He attacks the ball, he can cut, he used to be stiff but now he can cut, flow and twist in to position
by AustonianAggie on Feb 18, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
He really looked like a different player last year
I saw him as roster filler, and thought Hurd had more to offer.
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 18, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
I still like Hurd.
Hope he makes it back from his injuries to fight his way onto the squad again.
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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 18, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
Raf, why do you prefer R. Johnson to L. Delmas, and
which prospect (1st to 2nd roundish) has impressed you the most?
I have a personal man crushes on the OTs Eugene Monroe, VIR, and Michael Oher, MIS.
I’m currently evaluating OG Duke Robinson, OKL.
Safeties are the next position profile
I’l explain there. Here’s the skinny —
You look at tackles, a lot of guys have high tackle figures.
You look for guys with TWO years of high INT and Passes Broken up numbers and there
are only two in this bunch — Johnson and Delmas.
Dallas problem is that Hamlin is the only safety on the roster who can track a ball and made a pick. They need another guy who can find a pass and break it up. Chung MIGHT have more range at SS, but he’s the only other guy in the maybe category. Everybody else looks like a Roy clone to me. At least of the guys in the early rounds.
Why are you wasting him with Monroe and Oher? Look at the OTs. They rise like Estes rockets. There were what, eight of them taken in the 1st last year? There will probably be seven 1st round OTs this year. Those guys won’t get out of the top 20.
Nob saying they’re bad players but Dallas isn’t getting near those guys on draft day. Robinson, OTOH…
wasting *time*
ah, need to put on specs when typing.
I would love Robinson so much
Especially with all the indications that we’re going to be a more run-heavy team next year. I think guards have become undervalued in recent years, and unfairly so. If we draft the Duke, we can punch him in at Left guard right away, do away with Kosier’s contract (ka-ching) and absolutely maul people. The prospect of Flo-Robinson-Gurode-Davis-Colombo clearing pathways is making my head spin.
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+1
I would be ecstatic if they somehow manage to land Duke Robinson.
But I’d keep Kosier as the swing guard, and I think he’s even had experience at RT.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 18, 2009 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
I'm hoping Dallas breaks out of this big WR mold this year.
I’d like to see them draft a quick WR/PR/KR like they did in the past with Kevin Williams. WRs like this offer a different skill set for teams to defend, and can even play their way into a future starting role.
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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 18, 2009 12:51 PM CST reply actions
speed
this time of year there’s alot of talk about 40 times and who has speed and who doesn’t. if i remember correctly darren woodson didn’t exactly have a blazing 40 time. when it comes to safety i want someone that has instincts and consisently has themselves and their teammates in right positions. i always thought a safety didn’t have to have cb speed. 4.4 would do or even 4.5 as long as they make plays.
Darren Woodson
was the fastest LB the year he came out. His speed was legit.
wr
i’m not saying he wasn’t fast for a lb. but he wasn’t that fast for a safety. and what about kenny mckinley , wr from s.carolina. he was awesome in college. made plays in spite of being double teamed every game.
How about Austin Collie from BYU?
I’m a homer, I admit it. One scouting site had him as the 22nd best wr coming out, which is crap. He runs a 4.55 40 (guaranteed he’ll run faster at the combine) He’s 6’2", 205, had a billion catches for a billion yards and 15 tds last season. He is phenomenal at using his hands and catching the tough ball. He also returns punts and kickoffs, even taking a kr to the house. If I’m not mistaken, he is BYU’s all time leading receiver, which says something, and he is leaving after his junior year.
Is he a first round talent? No way, but if the rest of the league values him at #22 at his position, he would be a great 4th or 5th round steal.
Also, he has a great pedigree, as his dad played wr at BYU with both Jim McMahon and Steve Young.
funny part is I recall his old man playin' back in the day...
he is a WR i would covet in the later rounds though..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 18, 2009 10:02 PM CST reply actions
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