Cowboys' Draft Profiles: I Love Me Some SEC
by Rafael Vela on Feb 19, 2009 5:32 PM CST
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PrintThe Cowboys have love players from big schools in big conferences. They especially love players from the SEC. Here are some draft factoids to ponder while you're passing time watching prospects run drills at Indy:
Players Selected by Conference, 2000-2008:
- SEC -- 14
- Big 10 -- 11
- Big East -- 8
- ACC -- 7
- Big 12 -- 6
- Pac 10 -- 4
Schools with the most players drafted --
- Ohio State - 5
- LSU -- 4
Just call them The Ohio Stiff University
The Buckeyes have seen 62 players drafted this decade. Some of them have become fine pros -- Anthony Gonzalez, A.J. Hawk, Santonio Holmes, and Nick Mangold.
The Cowboys have yet to find one. They've taken five Buckeyes -- Bobby Carpenter, Derek Ross, Jamar Martin, Michael Wiley and Tyson Walter -- and have been disappointed every time. In fact, Dallas has had little success drafting Big 10 players. They have but two starters from the conference and only Marion Barber can claim to be a clear hit.
Dallas has seen better success selecting SEC players. Jay Ratliff, Marcus Spears, Bradie James and Jason Witten played in the conference.
It's a Regional Thing, You Wouldn't Understand
The Cowboys' affinity for southern players goes beyond the SEC. Almost half of their draftees -- 33 out of 68 -- are from old Confederate states. Factor this into your draft filters.
Worst Drafts of the Decade
2nd Runner Up -- 2004 -- This draft produced two starters -- Julius Jones and Patrick Crayton -- and two backups in Jacques Reeves and Nate Jones. Only Crayton remains, and he'll return to 3rd receiver this year.
Runner Up -- 2006: Only one starter from this bunch, and he starts for Miami. Anthony Fasano was a washout for Dallas. Jason Hatcher has at least entered the d-line rotation, but he's it from this class. Undrafted Miles Austin is the best member of this class.
The Worst -- 2000 & 2001: I'm cheating a bit, but hear me out. The 2000 class had only five players, courtesy of the Joey Galloway fiasco. The '01 class also lacked a first rounder, courtesy of that deal. Dallas selected fourteen players these years and they all sucked out loud. The '00 class was a complete disaster -- Goodrich, Larrimore, Wiley, Edwards and Grant. The Cowboys carpet bombed the secondary, adding three CBs. Only Edwards eventually made the lineup, and Bill Parcells didn't give a second thought to letting him go.
The '01 group teased briefly, but I stress briefly. When your biggest gets are Quincy Carter, Matt Lehr and Willie Blade, you don't brag about it. When you add Galloway's Cowboys' play, you have a full-scale disaster.
Best Drafts of the Decade
2nd Runner up -- 2008: The Cowboys stayed in their slots, save for one small trade up in the late first, and filled two key areas of need. They snagged Felix Jones and Tashard Choice to replenish a backfield that lost Julius Jones to free agency. The team also landed CBs Mike Jenkins and Orlando Scandrick. Martellus Bennett came in the late 2nd to add ballast to this group.
Runner Up -- 2003: The Tuna's first crop had a lot of misses, but the hits were big ones. Terence Newman came in the first, Jason Witten in the 3rd and Bradie James in the 4th. The scouts also recruited a QB named Romo after hours.
The Best -- 2005: The Cowboys assembled a full defensive line, getting Marcus Spears, Chris Canty and Jay Ratliff in this crop. They started the day with All-Everything OLB Demarcus Ware and took nickel LB Kevin Burnett in the 2nd. Add Pro Bowl RB Marion Barber to the list and you have a full course draft meal.
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2007
It’s still too early to tell with the 2007 draft. Everybody except for James Marten is still on the roster. They’re not necessarily starters, but I still have hope for Spencer and Free.
by beautifultyrant on Feb 19, 2009 5:54 PM CST reply actions
Ross
Yeah, I remember. He seemed like a solid CB, maybe even a playmaker.
by beautifultyrant on Feb 19, 2009 5:55 PM CST reply actions
the guy failed drug tests
that’s the difference between Jerry 1.0 and 2.0.
The old Jerry took guys like that in the top three rounds.
The post-Parcells version still takes some risks but waits till the 5th. Orlando Scandrick fits this profile. He didn’t fail any tests but he was known as a boom or bust player with 2nd round talent. The old Jerry would have snagged this guy in the 2nd or 3rd. This time he waited and got a value.
It'd be great to have back2back great drafts.
Doesn’t seem likely over the course of draft history, but it’s not too much to ask for another ’03 and find some talented guys for the future.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
come out of this draft with three or four quality players
one of them an o-lineman, and I’ll be happy.
all of which kind of underscores the last post...
If we’re going to possibly have as many as 11 total picks, maybe Jerry should wheel and deal and package to really try and move up. This is still a very talented team and not alot of roster spots. Moving up doesn’t guarantee success, but it does improve your chances.
by Boundforbeach on Feb 19, 2009 7:37 PM CST up reply actions
That would be fine, but if they started like this:
2 — Robinson;
3 — Johnson or Luigs;
4 — Scott
I’d be happy.
Even if they took a FS at 69, I’d still take another one with 4B, if the better ILB guys were gone. The team has no talent at that position.
You mean to tell me..........
That GM Jerry actually had 3 good drafts???!!!!!!! Holy cow, i thought you had to have a “real football guy” to do that!
You could make the argument he had 4 good drafts
2002 was the year of RW1. Before he turned into the thong, you may recall he was thought of pretty damn highly. How many pro bowls? And they picked Gurode in the 5th round. Another pro bowler. Not bad at all. As for Antonio Bryant, he just got the franchise tag put on him yesterday. Not to shabby, even for a headcase. And Pete Hunter was a serviceable player. A pretty decent draft, all in all.
by Boundforbeach on Feb 19, 2009 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
I had high hopes for 2002 draft as well
Derek Ross was also that year, had 5 ints as a rookie.
I’m still bitter about Bryant.
A lot of people in the NFL thought Bryant AND Ross were good
they were easy picks, but also, they slid because NFL teams thought they were character risks. And they were, not criminal, but prima donna douche’s well before they earned the right
by AustonianAggie on Feb 20, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
BTW, now Bryant's getting blasted again.....
because he balking at the Franchise tag of over 9 mil.
I love that
“prima donna douches”
I may use a variation on that in my everyday conversation, “prima donna douchebag” instead. But don’t worry, I’ll credit you.
I know it doesn't make sense
but I think Hunter would have been a decent safety had he been willing to make the move
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 19, 2009 8:50 PM CST up reply actions
What do you think of, our 3 best players came from no-where schools.
DeMarcus Ware, Troy
Romo, Eastern Illinois
TO, Tennesse-Chatanoga
Just like the old days!
Too Tall, etc.
by Realist Larry on Feb 19, 2009 10:06 PM CST up reply actions
Speaking of SEC players
What is the word on Spears? I assume he’s serviceable especially if you anticipate losing Canty but any word about his contract status?
Spears is under contract for another year
Feb. 18-24 -- NFL Scouting Combine
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Feb 19, 2009 8:05 PM CST up reply actions
How wrong were these guys?!!!
2004 draft
Dallas Cowboys 2004 Draft
Round 2 (#43): Julius Jones, RB, Notre Dame
Round 2 (#52): Jacob Rogers, OT, USC
Round 3 (#83): Stephen Peterman, OG, LSU
Round 4 (#121): Bruce Thornton, CB, Georgia
Round 5 (#144): Sean Ryan, TE, Boston College
Round 7 (#205): Nathan Jones, CB, Rutgers
Round 7 (#216): Patrick Crayton, WR, Northwestern Oklahoma State
Round 7 (#223): Jacques Reeves, CB, Purdue
Draft King Analysis
The Cowboys have taken their share of criticism from this draft, perhaps at least some of it rightfully so. Passing on Steven Jackson and instead trading down was a puzzling decision, but so be it. Jackson is a talented pass catcher, which isn’t necessarily important in a Bill Parcells offense. I figured when the Cowboys came up at #43, they would go with Greg Jones, who was still on the board. I figured wrong. Instead it was Julius Jones from Notre Dame who Dallas took in that spot. Interesting decision. Double J now has a massive amount of pressure on his shoulders down in Big D.
But don’t let that overshadow what the Cowboys did from there. Rogers at #52 was a bargain, while Peterman (#83) and Thornton (#121) were both smart picks that filled needs. Notice that the Cowboys took three corners in the draft. Depth in the secondary is going to be there in spades for Dallas (even with the departure of Marion Edwards to Tampa Bay). And, most importantly, don’t forget that Dallas landed QB Drew Henson from Houston for a mere third round pick. That might be the shrewdest move made this side of the Eli Manning trade.
Yikes! I forgot how bad the ’04 draft was.
Speaking of Steven Jackson
I remember watching while everyone passed on him including us. I believe the reason we passed on him were the concerns about his knee. Now say what you will but it does appear that those concerns are now becoming a reality although you could also wonder what might have been with him on this team and what we might have been able to do with his 1st couple of years when he was trying to get playing time behind Faulk. He wouldn’t have had to wait for playing time here but he may have had injury problems like he’s currently having sooner.
I think we passed on him
because Bill Parcells wanted to show how smart he was. That’s just out-thinking yourself.
TELL MITCH ALBOM THAT IF HE'S GOT A PROBLEM WITH BLOGGERS, THEN HE CAN COME SEE ME IN THE OCTAGON.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 20, 2009 12:23 AM CST up reply actions
+1....Tuna be Tuna....Filleted himself...
seared Tuna….got burned
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 20, 2009 3:59 AM CST up reply actions
Stephen Jackson is a good player but Dallas needed the big play threat Julius Jones
gave Dallas at that time
by AustonianAggie on Feb 20, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
huh ? and Jackson isn't a big play threat ?
He happens to be bigger, stronger, better, and as fast…and that was all known before the draft.
.it was a bone head move..plain and simple…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 20, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
I still have night-mares of him torching us?
Has everyone forgotten that?
Maybe you remember a couple of 190 yard games from Julius Jones?
didn’t he have 4 of them?
by AustonianAggie on Feb 20, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
True, he did....
I actually felt sorry for the kid. Don’t know if Parcells didn’t use him correctly or if he was afraid of getting hit. All I know is Steven Jackson has been a hoss for the Rams.
And somehow away from the shadow of Texas Stadium, Parcells, and any other excuses
He went to Seattle and lost major playing time to the likes of Maurice Morris & TJ Duckett ??
Once again, If your implying Julius Jones was a better pick than Steven Jackson, it’s a debate you’d never win.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 20, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, that
sucked too. He needed to produce, and get us better compensation. Maybe he just took the year off to screw us?
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
actually he was off to a great start, and still finished with decent numbers considering he was sharing the load with a few other backs...
4.4 yards per carry not bad….2 TD’s…bad
but he ran up the back of so many linemen, and dropped like a leaf so many times, I’ll never respect his game, or his achievements here as a Cowboy. It will long be remembered as Tuna’s official first pick here in Dallas in my eyes.
He was maybe a notch better than Sherman Williams,Curvin Richards, Troy Hambrick
but nowhere near the group of Dorsett, Walker, Smith
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 20, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
That is almost impossible company to get into.
Those are some very big shoes to run in that you mentioned. Backs like that do not grow on trees, I don’t care what anyone says.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
I never did forgive Parcells for
getting rid of Emmitt for Hambrick. I know Emmitt was on the downside but come on-we’re talking about Emmitt.
While Emmitt was on the downside of his career ...
I think it was more an o-line decline. Hambrick sure showed us NOTHING the next year when it was his to prove.
Just joking, will you
still protect me from Terry when he sees my post? Ha ha
I think you
can defend yourself pretty good. Just because someone talks louder doesn’t mean they are right. At least that is what my wife says.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
I'm not but follow this rationalization
without a second 1st round pick for Dallas in 05, Dallas would of selected Marcus Spears at 11, because he was considered more essential for the new defense.
by AustonianAggie on Feb 20, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions
Good point
We don’t trade down to get Jones, we don’t end up with the extra 1st to use for Spears. BP wanted Spears, so it’s very possible he’d have taken him instead of Ware if he only had one 1st round pick that year.
Feb. 18-24 -- NFL Scouting Combine
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Feb 20, 2009 7:39 PM CST up reply actions
oh stop.....
Jerry makes the calls…and Ware was rated higher, as everyone knows a 3-4 OLB is much more vital or essential to starting up a new defense…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 20, 2009 11:05 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I agree, but the popular story was
BP really wanted to get Spears so he could install the 3-4. If they only had one 1st that year, I would think that Tuna would’ve fought harder to get Spears.
Anyway it’s too horrible to contemplate what could have been. LOL
Feb. 18-24 -- NFL Scouting Combine
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Feb 20, 2009 11:49 PM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't exactly call Spears a bust
yet. He did come on this past year. I wouldn’t write him off just yet. He has another year on his contract.
Truly awful
Why can’t our scouts ever accurately project an o-lineman?
Probably one reason is because we never use a first round pick on them.
Bound for Beach????
This is still a very talented team and not alot of roster spots????
u like Berger and Proctor? we could use 2 o-linemen at least, a tackle and a guard who can play center.
Canty is perhaps gone, Spears perhaps in 1 yr so we need depth. 2+1=3
last yr the Boys drafted olb Walden that didn`t pan out, we are in worse shape this yr than last at that position. 3+1=4
Zach is gone maybe Burnett also 4+1=5
a wr late to groom in case Owens ain`t here long term. 5+1=6
Junior Salaavi the answer at dt backup?maybe but let`s push him to make sure 6+1=7
Roy is our safety?c`mon we could use 2 to be honest but lets say 1. 7+1=8
pacman is gone let`s draft a corner 8+1=9
lets groom a qb 9+1=10
Imagine that ... no addition by subtraction.
Sorry .. couldn’t resist. Looks like a pretty fair summation, ziggy.
I believe this is Ellis last year as well.
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
You can flame me, but
my point is that there are not many starting roster spots that we can expect to be addressed by rookies. Look at Raf’s post. Over the past 8 years, we have averaged only 2, maybe 3, starters in each draft, some of whom do not even sniff the field in year one. We potentially have 11 picks this year, 6 of which will come in rounds five or later. If we stand pat, how many of these picks do you think will even make the team?
We have needs, of course, but we are not Detroit. We don’t need talent at every position. We need good talent in a few positions, and we should strongly contend next year. We don’t have a first round pick. And I’m still holding out hope that a few of our picks will crack the starting lineup in their first year. The best way to get quality is to package lower picks and move up if possible.
Look at your own analysis. You repeatedly talk about drafting players to “groom.” I’m not saying this isn’t important, and we’ll certainly take a project or two, but we need some talent to play NOW, this year. I think its naive to believe that our late round picks will be able to do so. We might get lucky, like with Scandrick last year, but I’d rather draft higher with seven overall picks than stand pat at our current position with eleven picks.
by Boundforbeach on Feb 20, 2009 8:05 AM CST up reply actions
Check out this clip.........
Jarron Gilbert , DE, San Jose St.
Its not a football clip but its pretty impressive.
Jarron Gilbert may very well be our first selection in the 2nd round
i’d be very happy….the guy is impressive.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 20, 2009 4:01 AM CST up reply actions
Look at the related video...
Where he squats 635…That’s not impressive, that’s freakish!
by AikmanNailedMySis on Feb 20, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
Here`s my mock
51 Johnson, Herman (OG), LSU
69 Marks, *Sen’Derrick (DT), Auburn
97 Sidbury, Jr., Lawrence (OLB), Richmond
117 McBath, Darcel (FS), Texas Tech
152 Joseph, Frantz (ILB), Florida Atlantic
167 Bell, Joel (OT), Furman
194 Edison, Dominique (WR), Stephen F Austin
212 Fletcher, Bradley (CB), Iowa
229 Goddard, Trimane (SS), North Carolina
255 Pedescleaux, Everette (DE), Northern Iowa
256 Boltus, Jason (QB), Hartwick
I added 2 comp picks at the end hopefully we get them earlier, I used draft rankings and only selected players ranked lower than where drafted.
Good job
Except the Herman Johnson pick. Too high for a guy with such a big bust factor.
Did you see the highlight clip on youtube for Pedescleaux?
Feb. 18-24 -- NFL Scouting Combine
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Feb 19, 2009 10:51 PM CST up reply actions
Hey guys
Check out this from Football Outsiders about the NFC East, it mentions some FA aquisitions that I have not heard much about on this site.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/four-downs/2009/four-downs-nfc-east
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
I had mentioned Mike Peterson as a possible ILB replacement....
he may not be the answer though…he’s lost a step……S- Sanders may be an option…Sharper ?..i’ve always liked…we should have gotten him when he was first let go by GB…..I agree with getting rid of Ellis & Roy….can throw Watkins & Carp into that mix…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 20, 2009 4:12 AM CST up reply actions
Mike Peterson is tiny
he played for the Colts in his prime. He would have Zach Thomas’ problems and less of his game.
by Rafael Vela on Feb 20, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
Great analysis
We’ve not gone into great depth on what talent may be let go. We know Zach and Tank are gone and Canty and Burnett are not worth what they’ll get in the open market. In a truly objective moment, Greg Ellis and Roy Willy are not worth their salaries. Each commands more than $6 Million next year and neither is a full-time starter.
If you add that up, that’s 6 starters if you use Parcell’s idea that you have 13-14 starters on each side of the ball (3rd down players and regular rotations).
Next year (with or without a Salary Cap) you must assume Flo, Kosier, Spears and maybe even Hamlin and Henry. That’s another 5 starters.
This needs to be a good draft year. Next year, it’s a free-for-all in FA and no way Jerry loses that battle.
Res firma mitescere nescit
+1
I do believe we have decent replacements at a few of these spots.
Jason Hatcher (Canty)
Bobby Carpenter (Zach)
Anthony Spencer (Ellis)
And a couple of guys that have potential
Anthony Henry (Roy Willy), leaving another hole…
Jenkins/Scandrick (Henry)
Salvaii (sp) (Tank)
Free/McQ/Leonard Davis (Flo)
The only spot we don’t have a legitimate chance to backfill is OG and SS + WR next year, though you could argue Miles Austin.
Res firma mitescere nescit
Carp isn't a decent replacement for Thomas
that would be a huge, very significant drop off.
In Romo we Trust
LOL
That’s a step away from referring to yourself in the 3rd person.
Feb. 18-24 -- NFL Scouting Combine
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Feb 20, 2009 7:43 PM CST up reply actions
Flo and Hamlin are signed long term, and won't be let go next season....got to sleep in the bed you make...
I’d like to see all these guys released or traded somehow before the beginning of training camp:
————-
Henry
Roy
Ellis
Watkins
Carp
FA let go:
——————
Canty
Berger
Proctor
Hurd
Zack
FA kept:
—————
Burnett
Bowman
Possible FA’s signed:
———————
OG-Mike Goff
DE-Igor Olshansky
NT-Albert Haynesworth
NT-Gabe Watson
ILB-Channing Crowder
ILB-Bart Scott
ILB-Ray Lewis
ILB-Mike Peterson
CB-Corey Ivy
SS-Sean Jones
SS-Jim Leonhard – PR
FS- James Sanders
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 20, 2009 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not so quick to get rid of Henry
by AustonianAggie on Feb 20, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
Yea I still think we can get some use out of Henry...
and I thought we addressed the signing of Haynesworth and RayRay in the Fantasy Island thread haha…
by AikmanNailedMySis on Feb 20, 2009 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
However we use Henry
it will probably be stopgap at best. I don’t see him being durable enough for safety, and he is not even close to being fast enough for corner anymore. He might be able to teach a safety we draft or mentor our young corners, but his playing days seem to be coming to a close.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
I didn't see one play that Henry made this past season...He was horrible, and beaten frequently, and lost his aggressive tackling ability.
If Jenkins isn’t starting over Henry by day 1 next season, he’s not as good as most projected. Henry was one of the biggest disappontments among a roster full of disappointments…He either makes this team as a FS, or he’s down the road….you’ll see…no matter where he plays he’s not worth half his 6 million dollar salary.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 20, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
Unfortunately, he's not durable enough
or he’s always trailing guys. I don’t know about you but I got sick of seeing the back of 42’s jersey every game.
Well
everyone got to learn his name. That has to count for something.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
Being serious though
If Henry is here he will be riding pine. I don’t see Jerry paying anyone 6mil to do that. Oh hell what am I saying? Of course Jerry will, he has loyalty to his players.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
You got that right
and that’s where Jerry continually gets hinself in trouble. Sometimes, it makes me wonder where in the heck did he got all his money. Maybe, he’s just inherited it.
Theres a sucker born every minute.
I guess Jerry must know about 3 billion of them.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
Look at the Cap charges for each Flo & Henry
…and compare that to their production. You have to assume a continuation of a downward spiral on both, meaning that someone needs to replace them to improve two of the most important positions on the team.
Now that’s not to say that with Kosier back and a move to FS for Henry that they can’t come back to their prime, but as of now, they’re gone next year without improvement over ’08.
As for Hamlin, I thought his deal was up after ‘09. If wrong, that changes my opinion somewhat (in that I wouldn’t have included him in my 11 slots over the next two years). However, you could certainly make the case that he’s not living up to his billing (and $ Bill).
Love you’re FA group. Only Haynesworth is out of our (cap) league.
Res firma mitescere nescit
I've seen conflicting data on Watson
some lists claim he’s a UFA, other that he’s restricted.
He was a high 2nd round pick and is not worth pursuing if he’s restricted.
Scott and maybe Olshansky are the only other players I’d pursue off this list. Lewis will re-sign in Baltimore, Haynesworth is too expensive, Crowder and Peterson don’t represent upgrades over Thomas.
by Rafael Vela on Feb 20, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
Watson is resticted...If he is not tendered, he's set free ? we'll have to keep a look out.
Channing Crowder is 10 years younger, and that alone represents better value than Thomas, who is no lock to remain here..
Average Tackles per game 2008
Crowder – 13 games – 113 total tackles = 8.7 tackles per game 6’2" 250lbs. 25 years old
Thomas- 14 games – 94 total tackles = 6.9 tackles per game 5’11" 228lbs. 35 years old
it’s quite clear who I would choose.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 20, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
Crowder
I can’t remember where I read it, but aside from his injury history, he has to come off the field in passing situations.
He’s young, and maybe he can improve, but I wouldn’t want the Cowboys to sign him to a big contract.
Peterson is a guy I thought would be a decent replacement if Zach left, but I started reading about his questionable attitude and run in’s with Del Rio. That soured me a little on him. Plus he isn’t a young guy and probably wants to score one more big payday before he retires.
Feb. 18-24 -- NFL Scouting Combine
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Feb 20, 2009 8:06 PM CST up reply actions
Common themes of bad drafts----
drafting for need over drafting best player available.
While you always factor in your needs, of course, you can’t just “carpet bomb” for one position IF there’s no real talent there.
CB’s in ‘00, and Parcells’ attempt to grab OLinemen in ‘04….
And don’t forget the prime spots we wasted looking for pass rushers through the 90’s-ahhh, Kavika Pittman, right? Ebenezer Ekuban?
Shante Carver
Peppi Zellner
Kendall Watkins was a bizarre choice as a third rounder – not sure what he was supposed to be.
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 19, 2009 10:43 PM CST up reply actions
well,
Eb Ek is still playing. He’s a starter for Denver and has been throughout the decade. Peppi Zellner had a career in the 00’s outside of Dallas as well. Was that 3 DEs from UNC in 4 drafts? Weird. The next first round DE to come out of UNC was a guy named Julius Peppers.
Zellner played elsewhere
but just filled out the roster. He must have looked good in the shower to hang on so long.
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 20, 2009 9:44 AM CST up reply actions
Yup, I knew there were more I was forgetting.....
Carver was alright, at least compared to the others
by Realist Larry on Feb 20, 2009 12:51 AM CST up reply actions
I can't believe I'm about to say this.
Jerry just might have a plan. It doesn’t include 2009, but a plan nevertheless. He traded this year’s first rounder so he won’t have to commit big bucks to an unknown player. He kept Wade this year so he won’t have to eat his contract. He made Wade take the DC title so he won’t have to commit to a multi year contract for a coach that will be gone after 2009. He’s planning on keeping TO so that he won’t have to eat his contract. He’s planning on the newness of Jerry World to carry him through 2009. At the end of another dismal season, he fires a whole lot of folks. He takes no hits on contracts or salary cap. He hires the Chin, the Cheat, or the Walrus and everybody is happy for at least another year. This takes him through 2010 and by then Obama’s stimulus is in full swing. Wah la, he looks like a business genius and doesn’t have to admit he’s still too involved.
by steelyeyedmissle on Feb 19, 2009 11:53 PM CST reply actions
I was with you until until you went all "Stimulus" on me.....
Ahhh, on our old site we’d be off and running into a political discussion, and ‘Luke’ and I and others would have it out.
I’ll just say, JJ is a smart businessman, so you know he’s not relying on the gov’t’s sham trillion $ debt to pull his finances out of trouble!
Your point, though, is valid—he’s got one more shot with this crew next year (assuming he keeps TO), then can be justified in blowing it all up—and don’t forget, it gives him another year to evaluate Garrett and see if he’s really HC material. And if there’s no salary cap…..
by Realist Larry on Feb 20, 2009 12:58 AM CST up reply actions
All football aside
JerryWorld is proof positive he believes in government stimulus and pork.
I really do think he’s written off 2009, but wouldn’t mind catching some lightening in a bottle if it were to happen. He’ll say all the right things to keep ticket sales up, but is already thinking about how cool it will be to play the superbowl in his home stadium. It will take a few years to get his new staff in place and install the new schemes. Watch for little if any FA action this year. I can almost guarantee he won’t trade up to the first round.
by steelyeyedmissle on Feb 20, 2009 1:08 AM CST up reply actions
Hahaha...
Hi Larry, don’t worry I cringed at the ‘Stimulus’ comment too. The idea of any government (whether Republican, Democrat, whatever) ‘stimulating’ the economy is hilarious to me. Anyway, moving on… Long time no talk, hope you’ve been well.
Wow
Satire misses its punch when you have to point it out.
by steelyeyedmissle on Feb 20, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
Hey Steelyeyed,
It was satire? My mistake then. Satire can be a little hard to read online when you’re not familiar with the writer. I actually thought you were being serious, I think Larry did too, some people do post some strange things :)
Still around?
Meant to add, haven’t seen many posts from you.
I still hit that return button early sometimes.
by Realist Larry on Feb 20, 2009 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah still around...
…just not as much as I used to be. Been pretty busy with other things. I still find a way to read most of the main articles and a few of the Fanposts but rarely do I comment. Although the draft time of year is always a great time for discussion so I might find myself chatting a bit more often over the next month or so.
I completely agree with you here...
I think he’s on the “let’s give it one more shot” kick. But no matter what happens (I think we’ve all ruled out a SB appearance with the current squad), this team is gonna get a complete makeover from the top (well, almost the top) down. Wade’ll be gone and JG will either be a great coach or an unemployed coach. I definitely concur on the move with Wade being the DC. Plus, we’ll be able to keep developing our rookies who had great years across the board. Nothing screws up progression like throwing them into a new system. Jerry may just be the “football guy” that he thinks he is…
by AikmanNailedMySis on Feb 20, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
Speak for yourself buddy :-)~
I think we’ve all ruled out a SB appearance with the current squad
There’s not a better roster out there…..patience guy…free agency hasn’t even started yet, let alone the draft implications…we might have like a 25% change over on our current roster in a few months…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 20, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
True True...
It’s hard to juggle the Realist Me, the DayDreamer Me, and the God-May-Not-Completely-Hate-Me Me haha. I do think we have the most talented roster in football, however, as we’ve learned, talent doesn’t always take the trophy…
by AikmanNailedMySis on Feb 20, 2009 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
Many teams will be losing talent, but our core base remaining players would compare favorably to any roster out there...
We have a better roster than Pittsburgh and Arizona……..so who knows how it works..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 20, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
And that, along with the loss to Philly
is why I am sooooooo freaking upset with the Cowboys from Jerry right down to the dude who picks up the jocks off the floor after practice. They have for two years squandered opportunity after opportunity to do something that very few will ever get the chance to do. I love watching them play, but I sooooo hate watching them play below their talent.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
It's funny how it always goes back
to developing players because that’s where we always seem to be lacking. I’ll take our roster or Pitt and AZ any day, but you need to develop the back-ups properly.
No, no 1st rounders is right
but I’m hoping he packages a lot of these picks to move higher in the oher rounds-it’s ridiculous having that many picks, unless he wants to just grab like 4 OLinemen or something and try to get lucky.
Jerry’s providing the vast majority of the $ for the new stadium, and voters approved the tax increases needed for Arlington’s part——I wouldn’t say that proves JJ likes pork
(insert joke about his new thin look here!)
You’re really happy about our gov’t throwing what is starting to amount to 2 Trillion $ (adding up all the “Bailouts” too) under the guise of ‘stimulus’?
That’s our money, don’t forget-not imaginary.
I wonder how much will be wasted/mismanaged/used fraudulently?
No more on that subject from me.
I don’t want to get in trouble here, don’t know how seriously Grizz etc. take this stuff. Steyed can have the last word if he wants.
It’s just that I get the double-whammy of living in CA, the most mismanaged budget in the country. Frustrating.
he does not condone any mentions of politics..
i should know…everytime i have said anything resembling political , it’s been deleted.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 20, 2009 4:18 AM CST up reply actions
Don't want to get banished
I stir up enough hate with some of my comments. I’ll let the stim dog lie because I’m not happy about it at all.
by steelyeyedmissle on Feb 20, 2009 1:40 AM CST reply actions
Din't know you were being satiric/ironic or whatever.
It doesn’t always come across online……I thought you were actually saying the new stadium was a lot of ‘pork’.
by Realist Larry on Feb 20, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
I think
we should get two offensive lineman with our first two picks, then Scott Dorell if hes still there. I don’t know probably not, but the Redskins snagged Chris Horton late too, and I really like him.
by DaxLovestheBoys on Feb 20, 2009 6:43 AM CST reply actions
Marcus Spears?
How can wasting a first round pick on this cat be considered a success?
2007 draft
I made a comment earlier about the 2007 draft and how all except James Marten have been contributors. How many of you think Spence and Free will emerge this year?
by beautifultyrant on Feb 20, 2009 9:19 AM CST reply actions
i wanted to see more of spencer last year
but i defn think he should be a starter this year
What the French?! Toast!
Wasn't it Spencer that left open the gap.......
in the Ravens game? I know that Hamlin whiffed as well but I think Spencer was in for Ellis on those two long runs. I may be wrong?
idk maybe
but hes a great player and with Ware as a mentor will develop into an even greater one.
What the French?! Toast!
I don't remember that.
Are you talking about the 2007 opener in which Manning hurt his shoulder?
yeah, on the 2pt conversion, Spencer shot threw the line, grabbed Eli and spun him to the ground
on his shoulder. I’m not happy Eli got hurt, but I’m glad a rookie can come in in his first game a disrupt a scoring play so succesfully
by AustonianAggie on Feb 20, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
Ok, and what was really funny to me in that game
was to to Jared Lorenzen. I think that’s the fattest QB I have ever seen. We were laughing because the guy is huge.
Jarron Gilbert is interesting because he seems to beat his blockers
and get in to the backfield consistently. Canty came out of college with a similar stat line though, lots of tackles at a position that usually gets few.
Makes me wonder what the Cowboys want in a 3-4 DE though; long term they may want guys who can stop the run, but guys who can beat one on one blocks consistently anywhere on the line would make a prospect gold… you get run stopping and more QB pressure
by AustonianAggie on Feb 20, 2009 11:33 AM CST reply actions
he looks great in his highlight reel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gK_SxTr4jZs
He has a knack for shooting gaps and shedding blockers. His Dline’s shifts help line him up in favorable match ups. Tough to tell how he’s shedding these blocks in the videos, he seems to have good balance and can make himself real narrow while running sat full speed. I think he’s going to be a bottom of first round DE. DT/DE 285lbs… sounds like a traditional strong side 4-3 NFL DE.
by AustonianAggie on Feb 20, 2009 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
Raf loves him some ballast
If a drinking game is ever developed to go along with this website, it would have to include knocking one back every time raf uses the word ballast …
Y'all Read that Crap by Galloway Yesterday?
His befuddled inane ramblings about Jerry listening to “strange voices” in his head. Gawd. It’s not even print worthy. Seriously. What a way to mail it in. He should be embarrassed.
That dude makes over $300K a year
with his column and radio gig.
Why do you think the Jock-Sniffer-Ripper and the Round-Mound-of-Hate emulate him?
They want some of that cash. We’re all the poorer for it, but that’s what sells in the Metroplex.
by Rafael Vela on Feb 20, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
Do WHAT?
Galloway isn’t worth a plug nickel.
He’s a complete waste of air (literally and figuratively). Jean-Jackass and the Dingleberry will always be limited because of it.
If only BSPN’s Skippy Buttplug could be muzzled as well. How the heck does this stuff sell?!
Res firma mitescere nescit
How does it sell?
You ever read the comments on the DMN’s Cowboys blog?
Not the sharpest or most emotionally stable folks over there.
by Rafael Vela on Feb 20, 2009 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
But, that is where I found this blog.
I guess a blind pig finds a truffle every now and again.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
His finances are helped by his longevity
when I was younger though my dad quit listening to Galloway because it was boring to listen to him rip on Switzer
by AustonianAggie on Feb 20, 2009 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
I just threw up in my mouth...
300k. Are you kidding? I don’t think his insight, wit, and jouranistic integrity (sarcasm) are helping to sell that rag. Its really quite sad.
by Boundforbeach on Feb 20, 2009 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
Is JJT the Jock-Sniffer-Ripper or is that Calvin? I was able to guess JFE is the Round-Mound-of-Hate.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
Galloway also has like 30 years of branding himself
thats how a DJ or sports writer makes money, long term they sell their own persona. If were to move, his value would go back to like 30k a year
by AustonianAggie on Feb 20, 2009 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
about the only thing I do like is
when former players talk with him on GAC. It’s not really Galloway that I like, but some when you can hear the former players speaking, you can draw your own conclusions instead of depending on DMN and Star Telegram slanting it.
Good catch
that but some almost made it sound like you liked Galloway. Now that would be disaster.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
oh jerry
why do you torture us so? that list of the worst drafts of the decade made me get the shakes. sometimes i wake up in a cold sweat at night thinking about that galloway trade.
by mike@firegmjerry.com on Feb 20, 2009 2:22 PM CST reply actions
The worst part is the vaunted Aikman/Galloway/Ismail trio got debacled in the season opener.
Aikman got k.o.’d early and Galloway, of course, blew out his knee late in the 4th when the score was 41-0. When it rains, it pours.
The thing about it though
if Aikman and Galloway had not gotten hurt, no telling what might have happened. I still believe they would have been an awesome tandem. What makes it even more painful was the fact they were playing the Eagles. Wasn’t that Reid’s first year?
The Iggles came to Dallas early one season
And thumped the Cowboys pretty good. It was particularly hot and humid and the Iggles were drinking pickle juice on the sideline to keep hydrated. Madden was calling the game so of course he made a big deal about it.
Feb. 18-24 -- NFL Scouting Combine
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Feb 21, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
wow
taht Quitter, what a GREAT drafter..
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
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