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Cowboys Should Feel Defensive

The Cowboys became America's Team because Tom Landry was a winner and innovator. Landry has been credited with developing the 4-3 defense and the variant ‘flex'. Landry brought back the ‘shotgun formation' and situational substitutions and also began the use of offensive motion.

Remember when the offensive linemen raised up in unison before taking the three point stance? Tom Rafferty told me that was intended to give the O-line one more good look at the defensive alignment. That was vintage Dallas Cowboys innovation - no one else did that.

Where is the innovation that made the Cowboys America's Team ? Where is that ‘out of the box' thinking that forced the other teams to innovate just to catch up? I haven't seen much of it lately.

Star-divide

Bullet Bob Hayes was known primarily for being a track star (yes he did play some football) and his speed stretched opposing defenses. Opposing D coordinators had to account for this Cowboys innovation and thus the zone defense was developed.

Cornell Green was a college basketball star that the Cowboys converted into a defensive back. Green became an All-Pro cornerback. These were innovative personnel decisions that gave the Cowboys the winning edge.

In this 2009 NFL Draft I would like to see the Cowboys think 'out of the box' again and do an OOPS! That is an Out Of Position Selection with some of the later round picks.

We have numerous selections in this upcoming draft, no first rounder, and I believe Jerry will certainly try to package some of those picks for a move up, if the right player is available. If this happens, we will have fewer picks and likely we will have fewer third and fourth round picks since these will be used as currency for the trade up. We may have to get very creative to get contributing players with our remaining low level picks.

I'm suggesting these two picks as OOPS players who might fall in the draft because of size-concerns, but could make a change of position at the next-level.

5th Round - Inside Linebacker - Mitch King, Iowa, DE. Many say he's too small for the NFL as a defensive lineman. (6'2" 275lbs / 4.7 40 time) This guy was impressive at the Senior Bowl practice and game. He has a non-stop motor and has been successful using his hands and quickness to get off blocks. Some will say he doesn't have a position in the NFL - too small for D Line, too big for LB. Look how NFL players continue to get bigger over time. Brandon Jacobs would have been a lineman fifteen years ago. I'd love to see Jacobs get stood up by Ron Brace then blown backwards by a 275 pound linebacker. King is projected as a second or third rounder but I think his size may cause him to drop later where someone will take a chance on him. I hope it's us, I like this guy.

7th Round/FA - Safety - Ashlee Palmer, Ole Miss,  LB   This player, like Mitch king (capitalize), is said to be too small to play his college position at the next level (6'2" 223 lbs / 4.59 40 yards). He is active and is all over the field with speed and quickness and he has pretty good ball skills. Palmer got some attention at the Senior Bowl. He's not without his blemishes but I think we pick this lad up in the last round or possibly as a free agent to get ourselves a quick ball hawking safety.

These two players earned a trip to the Senior Bowl despite being somewhat undersized at their position in college. Both can step back one level in the NFL and have the size at these new positions to make an impact. I would like to see the Cowboys take a chance on these fellows.  If I'm wrong I can always say oops!

Are there any other oops players that might be in our positions of need?

Super Bowl Trivia; Curt Warner is not the only QB to start for two different teams in a Super Bowl. Can you name any others?

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I know Craig Morton was one

Cowboys SB V and Broncos SB XII

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 2, 2009 7:36 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Terry wins...

..a seat next to Tex in Tex’s new suite. Unfortunately neither of you will be able to enjoy the game because of your intense but opposite feelings towards Romo will have you bickering all day.

"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams

by Jim Vance on Feb 2, 2009 3:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's mighty dangerous, Jim.

One should never position Pro-mo and anti-Romo in the same universe, much less, the same suite for discourse … especially orbitling the same blue star.

by GalTex on Feb 2, 2009 4:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Another OOPS

Randy White struggled as an NFL linebacker, but became the best in the business when Landry moved him up to DT.

Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.

by OskieOskie on Feb 2, 2009 8:19 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

The steelers had

a LB I think out of Georgia who was huge.
Can’t remember his name but he put quite a few hits on emmitt in the SB against the steelers.
I think he was close to 270.

by oneforthethumb on Feb 2, 2009 10:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Levon Kirkland

Clemson

(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud

by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 2, 2009 11:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of innovation

I loved how the cardinals forced Pittsburgh out of their normal defense and into that inverted cover-2. When was the last time we forced a top offensive or defensive team out of its normal game plan.

by JimmyJohnson on Feb 2, 2009 8:19 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

?

How bout the giants for one. They’ve been a blitz heavy team with spagnuolo, but Romo seems to really come to play in those giants games and generally makes them pay and they follow by not blitzing as much. How bout the packers last year, who were like #5 in defense? They were uttterly lost. For the first 4 games or so, teams were going after romo full speed, and we responded by running the ball effectively, and winning.

Defensively…we generally ahve stopped even the best run offenses. We did it the second washington game, the second giants game, the majority of the ravens game. We had the steelers 100% shut down before Holmes started burning newman.

I know we’re all POed, but i think this post is selective memory.

by foyesboys on Feb 2, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

For every

Cornell Green or Bob Hayes there are 50 Isaiah Stanbacks. The Cowboys have drafted out of position players.

by beautifultyrant on Feb 2, 2009 8:40 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

yeah. the 3rd year is usually the pivotal one for WRs. that's when it's all supposed to come together.

I hope Stanback can stay healthy.

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by silverblue5 on Feb 2, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah injuries have devastated the career of a promising athlete

i think he does have potential but can he ever give us 16 games?

by MdFan24 on Feb 2, 2009 9:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

bigger question

is he ever goign to see the field now that we have Roy? I can’t see stanback taking minutes away from our top 4 receivers unfortunately.

Im disliking that Roy trade more and mroe as he keeps talking. Initially i was for it despite the high price because we needed a number one to replace TO in the next 2 years. But hes done a considerable amount of whining in the short time hes been here.

by foyesboys on Feb 2, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

like

Darren Studstill, option QB from WVU?

The Bucky Richardson FB experiment

Woody Dantzler

Beau Morgan

I’m surprised Jerry never signed Jonah Lomu.

(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud

by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 2, 2009 4:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Innovation?

How about signing other teams malcontents? Who else does that as frequently as the Boys? Jerry’s been trying to replicate the Charles Haley signing for years. How’s that working out?

by Boundforbeach on Feb 2, 2009 8:51 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Charles Haley replication not working out so well

bad character guys are killing this football team

by Iowacowboy on Feb 2, 2009 6:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not out of position type picks, but drafting Roger Staubach and Chad Hennings knowing there was going to be a military committment was good. They did the same with Herscel Walker knowing he was playing in the USFL.

And the last attempt to me that they made like this, never amounted to anything other than a wasted pick was drafting Carl Lewis…

by kshaw on Feb 2, 2009 10:13 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

We've done it lately, just not as successfully...

We traded for the rights to Drew Henson AND Chad Hutchinson (who both tried baseball first), didn’t we? I know we got one of them from the Texans for a third rounder but I am forgetting which one it was. That would seem to fall in this category. Obviously neither one worked out.

The tricky thing with “innovative” personnel moves is that, while they can pay big rewards, they have a MUCH lower success rate. Antonio Gates (converted basketball player) is much rarer than Matt Jones (converted QB, apparent bust), Eric Crouch (converted QB, definite bust), etc. For all the talk of how GMs/coaches love guys who are just “football players” or “athletes” like Antwaan Randle El, Troy Smith, Kordell Stewart, and potentially Tim Tebow in the near future, the low risk move is to pick a guy who is excellent or at least competent at his chosen position. Upside is enticing, but there is something to be said for reliability as well. Gambles or “innovative” moves are important but need to be taken rarely and with care.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Feb 2, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Great point

Remember the skier that Philly drafted that had 4.4 speed?

Yeah me neither, thats because he’s not in the NFL anymore.

by AirforceBat on Feb 2, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Jeremy Bloom

But you have to remember, he was also an excellent returner in college. (A freshman All-American, if memory serves me)

by Mandmeisterx on Feb 2, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Henson

henson netted us a third rounder from you. It turned out to be Vernand Morency, I believe, another wasted Charley Casserly pick…..

by Triple347 on Feb 2, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It may be a little bit apples and oranges,

but we played zone coverage at Rosemont Jr High in FW in ‘61-’62. This whole zone coverage invention thing is a little overwrought.

by mcgee48c on Feb 2, 2009 10:27 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

3-4: do we need to keep it

it seems like the prototypical linebackers are a little harder to find for the 3-4. if we made campo the d-coordinator, we could switch to the 4-3 easily and have more depth on the line:

DE: Ware, Ellis, Spencer, Hatcher
DT: Canty, Spears, Ratliff, Bowen
The linebackers would then be thin but it is relatively easier (i think) to find 4-3 backers
OLB: Bobby Carpenter, Kevin Burnett, roy williams?
ILB: James

by Micah09 on Feb 2, 2009 12:16 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

That would concern me quite a bit

First, we really run a 3-4/4-3 hybrid right now. So I think worrying about slotting us into one scheme too concretely or “classifying” our defense in the way we often do here is probably a mistake.

Second, I’d be very worried doing anything to mess with a guy who just had a 20 sack season, and I’ve seen nothing to indicate that Kevin Burnett can be a Will LB in a 4-3. I guess he’d have a chance at adjusting, but why make 4-5 of our defensive starters learn new positions? I also don’t think we have much in the way of true 4-3 DTs. We’ve got Rat as our penetrator, but Canty and Spears haven’t shown me much to indicate they’d be good 4-3 NTs. I guess it’s possible they would be, but who knows? Again, why take the risk? We’ve got an excellent 3-4 coordinator as our head coach, and we’ve got pretty good front 7 personnel for the 3-4 base scheme. Why make the chance? Out of boredom?

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Feb 2, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Recall what Tuna said about implementing the 3-4?

I really miss Parcells’ press conferences. He always had some nuggets in them.

When we were converting to a 3-4, one of the things he talked about is how tough it is/was to find 4-3 ends. Guys who are big enough to bang with offensive tackles 60-70 plays a game while still having the quickness to rush effectively. Tuna went on to say that its much easier to find 250-260 pound guys to play OLB in the 3-4.

Its the “planet” theory that he talked about when he was with the Giants. There are only but so many people on the planet who are so big, so strong, so fast, and at a certain age. There are more guys in the 260 pound range with the needed attributes than 300 pounders.

Parcells talked about how a guy Ware’s size would get worn down playing across from an OT the whole game. He’s giving up 50+ pounds. Can a Ware-type take on an OT 30 times a game? Yes. Can they do it effectively 60 times? No.

There are a lot of problems on this team. The 3-4 scheme is not one of them. If I’m not mistaken, a 3-4 team just won the Superbowl.

by Ridgelake on Feb 2, 2009 1:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Its the Quarterback Stupid

One thing became even more clear yesterday… its the quarterbacks stupid. Warner and Roethlisberger were amazing, especially Ben. They willed their teams to the end zone. Their games escalated when the pressure mounted. And Cowboys fans across the world were once again reminded of the farce they have under center.

Tony Romo was given the chance of a lifetime. He was plucked from obscurity and handed one of the five best teams in football. Instead of making the most of it, like a young Kurt Warner, he’s tossed it away for a shot at love with Tila Tequilla. Those QBs yesterday left their hearts on the filed… Romo leaves his in Cabo San Lucus.

What the hell Tex… there are 500 Quarterbacks who could have won a playoff game with the Dallas Cowboys team over the last three years. From Tebow to Testaverde, and Leftwich to Leinart. From Grossman and Garrard to Quinn and Cutler. From Lossman and Campbell to Cassell and Collins.

The Cowboys off-season must be predicated on finding two quarterbacks; one for the future, and one (veteran) who could force Romo to the bench once he checks out sometime around Thanksgiving. Its the Quarterback Stupid.

by Montecito Tex on Feb 2, 2009 12:19 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Amazing....

Well I guess you should blow the entire thing up and hope to get a QB better than the one who has a pretty damn good career record.

It’s amazing to me that there have been games where Romo has played tough, the Giants game this year, the Philly game, Pittsburg game(even though they lost.), and yet now he has the moniker of this terrible gutless QB.

I mean was Kurt Warner heartless when the Jets beat the hell out of Arizona in the regular season?

Or was it that they were out executed and just plain outplayed?

And where is this veteran that would force Romo to the bench?

You going to find that Bill Parcells dial up a QB number?

And how is it that you know that there are 500 QBs that would have won a playoff game with the Cowboys over the past three years? Tim Tebow…Rex Grossman..Brady Quinn?

Come on, you really think that? You honest to God think that al those QB’s that you just named are better than Romo?

by AirforceBat on Feb 2, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

no he doesn't, Tex is a card carrying Romo hater

He’s jealous because Romo beat out his boy Henson, who truly is the worst qb whoever put on a pair of spikes.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 2, 2009 12:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ridiculous and unfounded, as usual

And technically I don’t believe Tony has ever gone out with Tila Tequila, Tex.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Feb 2, 2009 12:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Ben and Kurt both looked good last night.. 370+ yds vs Pitt D Kurt Warner is the deal..

Kurt and Ben both should be in the HOF.

Ben 26 with 2 rings, man..

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z

by Wmillion on Feb 2, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Little early to put Roethlisberger in the HoF

Thiesmann’s got two rings also, you want him in there?

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Feb 2, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It'll be tough not too...

Just mainly because he plays for the Steelers as well.

I mean he did have a wonderful game too.

by AirforceBat on Feb 2, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

actually Theismann only has one ring

SB XVII, Redskins lost the following year to the Raiders.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 2, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

2 rings

He is 26 and they are going getting better on Offense. Mendenhall and Parker is a good tandem, I think Sweed, MIller, Holmes, and Washington can get it done.

The D will pretty much stay intact for years to come.

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z

by Wmillion on Feb 2, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Roethlisberger is indeed heading straight toward the NFL HOF

great stats, 2 championships, numerous clutch performances, demonstrated leadership.

by DavidH22 on Feb 2, 2009 2:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He should have been MVP last night

instead of pot smoking Santana Holmes

by texstar on Feb 2, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

where do you get great stats?

His career stats are mediocre at best.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 2, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

career 89 passer rating and 7.9 yards per attempt are pretty damn good

considering he not a west coast, dump off QB. Dude throws the ball downfield, like a man. Stats are about the same in 10 career playoff games, or about 20 times better than Romo’s postseason performances.

by DavidH22 on Feb 2, 2009 6:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

20 times better?

A LITTLE exagerration?

I’m a Big Ben fan, I don’t think you estimate a guy always by his statistics, but he probably had one of the worst games ever in his last Super Bowl.

Ben is a damned good player, he’s big and he’s hard to bring down. That last drive was one for the ages.

by AirforceBat on Feb 2, 2009 6:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

On the Romo comments.. Tex is way off there..

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z

by Wmillion on Feb 2, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Off subject

but isn’t that the most yards the Pitt defense has given up all year? I don’t think anyone has thrown over 300 yds. this year?

by texstar on Feb 2, 2009 12:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

how about fitz' 70 yard td?

Pitt’s safeties absolutely 110% blew that play. They both were drawn in to guys running curl routes and left larry fitzgerald, you know the 1 single guy you’d want to account for to run freely over the middle of the field. Polamalu should be looked at as a goat today and instead their superbowl champs.

by foyesboys on Feb 2, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess Jim Plunkett should be in HOF as well

since he has 2 rings…you need decent numbers as well

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 2, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

In my opionon

I think as long as Ben stays healthy for another 5 years he will be a sure fire HOF’er..

Just a personal projection. I don’t think if his career ended today he would get in, but based on what I saw him while this season when he was healthy, he got it done.

Having a great D is gift and curse for Ben, yes they win, at the same time he doesn’t need to throw 30-40 times a game. So he will not put up the eye popping stats.

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z

by Wmillion on Feb 2, 2009 1:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Troy never threw for 30-40 times

a game either but he made the HOF.

by texstar on Feb 2, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yep.

I think Ben will be a HOF’er

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z

by Wmillion on Feb 2, 2009 3:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

good point

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z

by Wmillion on Feb 2, 2009 3:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's a gift

In no way is it a curse to have the #1 ranked defense to keep you in games.

Big Ben will be judged mainly on his winning percentage and number of SB rings. He’ll never put up numbers like Warren Moon, Dan Marino, Farve, etc. He probably could if he played on a different team, but he won’t have to. He reminds me of Elway minus the threat to run for yards.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Feb 2, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

fa sho..

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z

by Wmillion on Feb 2, 2009 3:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Steelers led the league in passing attempts the two seasons before Tomlin arrived

Ben’s gotten to heave it plenty in his career.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Feb 2, 2009 7:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Love Romo and don't want another QB

But if Big Ben were our QB I’d be OK with that, too.

by illcowboy on Feb 2, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

they are actually very similar QBs

differences being Ben is bigger and is surrounded by a much better team, especially defense.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 3, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

too early for hall of fame

hes gotta keep it up. Winning two superbowls while consistently being with the #1 defense isn’t overwhelmingly impressive if his career were to fall off from here on out.

I’ve always respected roethlisberger though – i’ve said it a few times in these playoffs, him, brady and warner are the onyl qbs in the league to play well in the playoffs game after game after game. All 3 will probably be headed to the hall of fame (I’ll give ben the benefit of the doubt that he’ll continue to play well). As much as i hate to say it, if some fo these young qbs (hint hint romo) don’t step up, the steelers could grab a couple more superbowls under ben.

by foyesboys on Feb 2, 2009 12:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Blue in the Face...

Tex. Please stop. Everybody on this blog knows your opinion. You essentially say the same exact thing every single time you post. Romo’s fat, he’s incompetent, we need a new QB, etc… Just STOP. Don’t you have anything else to add? The daily posts are topical. Try, just try, once in a while to stay on topic. It’s just getting so old…

by Boundforbeach on Feb 2, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dude....

He’s been doing this forever. Asking him to stop is mute.

Last year it was Brian Stewart has to go all year, Sparano was a mole etc. etc.

And it goes on and on and ON.

I don’t even get irritated anymore. I used to actually get agitated when I read his posts. Now I still respond, but its more like talking to my dog when she’s getting on my nerves.

by AirforceBat on Feb 2, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Good advice...

I’ll just ignore it from now on. It’s just that every single time he posts that Romo sucks he hijacks the blog and everyone jumps all over it. It’s like groundhog day. Oh, that’s right, it is groundhog day!

by Boundforbeach on Feb 2, 2009 12:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

I’m not saying don’t respond, because I do it all the time.

And sometimes he does a least stir up the boards when they are stale so he’s not all bad.

I’m just saying, asking him to stop won’t help.

by AirforceBat on Feb 2, 2009 1:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

the word you are looking for here is moot.....

Asking him to stop is “moot” not mute…..Im just saying….

by WALKERMAN on Feb 2, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you...

Sorry sometimes I type quickly.

by AirforceBat on Feb 2, 2009 5:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Tex just does this

to make Terry mad and others that stick up for Romo. Gotta admit some of it is quite funny if you just take it as humor and not so serious.

by texstar on Feb 2, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Tex is like Grandpa Simpson to me.

Telling the same exaggerated stories about nothing. Occasionally, there’s a good point in there, but nobody’s listening. I actually get a kick out of him.

by illcowboy on Feb 2, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"We wore onions in our belt, as was the style at the time..."

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Feb 2, 2009 7:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Feb 3, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Something's stupid here...

I think I can safely dismiss anyone’s analysis who sites Tebo as having NFL credentials at the QB position.

Romo in his first 15 starts threw for 4,149 yards. That is the second best start in NFL history.
It a team game… You know, a team. Ever heard of that? A QB kind of needs some form of pass protection to succeed in the NFL. If you honestly think that Testaverde would have done better behind this season’s o-line, you might want to consider analyzing another sport. Maybe go back to checkers and stay away from chess.

0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.

by gee-roj on Feb 3, 2009 8:23 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!!!!!

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 3, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Eh...

Somewhat.

But the tunnelvison personal attacks against certain players/coaches get very old.

I think if you blame certain things on Romo like…oh say Jaques Reeves getting a 15 yard penalty at the end of the half, or Anthony Henry whiffing a tackle on Amani Toomer, then thats out of the category of humerous.

It’s more in the category of ignorance.

by AirforceBat on Feb 2, 2009 12:59 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yea, I agree

I haven’t been on this blog that long. Off subject, but do you guys think Tomlin is that great a coach or is it more LeBeau?

by texstar on Feb 2, 2009 1:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I like tomlin

I’m not really sure how much he impacts the team, i do think lebeau is more responsible for their success, but i think tomlin brings the right attitude to the game.

by foyesboys on Feb 2, 2009 1:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Tomlin....

Is a very good coach, I also think he inherited a very good team with all the pieces in place.

He has a chance to be a great coach.

by AirforceBat on Feb 2, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If LeBeau wasn't Pittsburgh's DC

they would be a .500 team at best.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 2, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

maybe, but they still have talented players

they’d be top 10 and .500 + regardless of their coordinator.

by foyesboys on Feb 2, 2009 1:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

LeBeau makes those guys look a lot more talented than they really are. They are a product of his system.

When he left the Steelers several years ago to coach the Bengals, Pittsburgh had a very mediocre defense and very average records during that time.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 2, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

good point

I may be 100% wrong here, but when lebeau left, wasn’t that roster kind of past its prime? I think they were kinda in rebuilding mode at that time, and then they drafted/signed some young solid players and he came back.

by foyesboys on Feb 2, 2009 2:21 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Tomlin inherited a ready-made team

two years away from winning the Super Bowl (2005). His drafts have been mixed (Rashard Mendenhall and Limas Sweed in 2008 vs. Lamarr Woodley and Lawrence Timmons in 2007), and his first team stumbled into the playoffs and lost a home game. I think it’s more LeBeau and Roethlisberger, but Tomlin has obviously been the right man at the right time. I just despise him after that dance he did on the sidelines during the final seconds of the Dallas game.

by DavidH22 on Feb 2, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Drafts aren't really on Tomlin

He’s not the player personnel guy, is he? He’s just the head coach.

He seems to be good with the players. I think his coordinators do 95% of the game planning (just like they did for Cowher), and he does the motivational stuff.

He also had enough humility to put away his Cover 2 scheme when he arrived and acknowledge LeBeau’s expertise.

Although I didn’t see much humility when he was swinging his headset around during the waning minutes of our loss to them this year.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Feb 2, 2009 7:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He did seem to be more excited about beating the Boys

than winning the Super Bowl. I guess you could say our Boys play 16 Super Bowls a year.

by illcowboy on Feb 3, 2009 8:46 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

So far he’s not screwing anything up on the team Cowher put together and LeBeau is still running the defense. I do give him credit for choosing their OC Bruce Aryans (sp?) That guy seems like a good fit for them.

He might turn out to be a great coach, but I’ll wait and see what happens in the next 5 years.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Feb 2, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

just wishful thinking that maybe it’s LeBeau since he’s on the twilight of his career. Can’t hardly stand that they won the Super Bowl so it’s hard to give them credit. Gotta give Roethlisberger credit on that last drive even though no one else wants to. He shoulda been sacked a couple of times on that last drive but he kept the drive alive.

by texstar on Feb 2, 2009 1:05 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

It's really a tribute to the ownership and consistency

But I’d really like the country to remember that the Steelers sucked for 70 years, 70 years of worse football than the Cardinals.

by AustonianAggie on Feb 2, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ESPN First Take

just said that Roethlesberger is the 2nd best QB in the league behind Brady because he knows how to win even though it’s not pretty. Unfortunately, I kind of agree.

by texstar on Feb 2, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Playoffs he is

When its all on the line, he plays very well.

In the regular season, hes actually less impressive, probably partly due to his team not blocking as well. He seems to play relatively conservative and as a team they rely on their defense in teh regular season. In the postseason, their offense has led them to quite a few big wins these last 4 years.

by foyesboys on Feb 2, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Over Peyton Manning?

That’s crazy. Just another one of BSPN’s stupid comments meant to provoke arguments and keep ratings up.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Feb 2, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well he has been

to 2 Super Bowls. Not saying I agree but he has won 2 but he also has a better defense than Indy

by texstar on Feb 2, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

True on the 1st Super Bowl

but you don’t think he played pretty clutch on that last drive? He should have been sacked a couple of times but he didn’t. I’m not a Roethlisberger fan by any means (dislike him) but he did come thru for his team though. I would have rather him win the MVP than the pot smoker, woman abuser. By the way, are those 3 kids actually his?

by texstar on Feb 2, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I never said he didn't play well

but Holmes and his OL were just as responsible for that game winning TD. QBs don’t win or lose SBs, teams do.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 2, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How come you always act like Romo

wins the games for the Cowboys then?

by texstar on Feb 2, 2009 11:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

In fairness

that claim has never been made of Romo about a Super Bowl.

Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.

by OskieOskie on Feb 3, 2009 7:38 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

say what you want

but ben has played very well on whats been a pass first team his last 3 playoff appearances. They threw the ball to get out ot leads and then hammered it late in 05 (like us last year). Now they can’t even do that – ben is virtually their whole offense. They didn’t even try to run the ball with 5 mins to go in the fourth backed up on their own goal line because they knew they had zero faith.

He played absolutely great football against the colts in 05, getting them out to the big lead and putting the pressure on manning,and against the broncos which is a defense that was flat out great that year and ben made them look ordinary. Last year, he played pretty darn well against the jags, and this year he played well-great in every game.

It is not easy to play well at qb in the postseason. I think the amount of ben bashing is ridiculous, considering hes one of 3 qbs(brady and warner being the other two) to play as well as or better in the postseason than in the regular season.

by foyesboys on Feb 2, 2009 10:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

How come some people can’t admit that there’s other really good QB’s besides Dallas? Give him his due He won the game. True, it takes a team to win, but he carried the team the last 2 minutes.

by texstar on Feb 2, 2009 11:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not saying Ben isn't good

He’s a very good qb, but I disagree that he carried the team the last 2 minutes. His OL did the best job of the game in pass blocking, the TD pass to Holmes was his 3rd read for crying out loud, and Holmes on that drive got open and make great catches.

The entire offense deserves credit for that drive and win, not just Ben.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 3, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I like Big Ben

But I’d have to go with Manning, too.

by illcowboy on Feb 2, 2009 4:29 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought Tomlin's post game remarks were impressive...

He said something like it wasn’t pretty, but that’s the Steeler way. We believe in each other and keep on fighting. He seems like he might be pretty special. However, he inherited a pretty good team. Wonder how he would do coaching Detriot…

by Boundforbeach on Feb 2, 2009 1:06 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

my guess is

not too well. I don’t know how many coaches would succeed in detroit. I don’t think a coach by himself could change that team. Maybe if parcells was hired as their gm, they’d get better.

by foyesboys on Feb 2, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Jim, great minds think alike!

I mentioned last week that I thought Mitch King could make a very good ILB in a 3-4. Also, instead of trying to find a huge wide-body NT, how about looking for one or two guys that are more like Ratliff. I was thinking about Chris Baker from Hampton (6-2 308), Roy Miller from UT (6-2 300) Mitchell from Arkansas (6-2 305), etc.

by IronCowboy on Feb 2, 2009 1:24 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Roy Miller

I really like Miller as a LATE round pick. He’s a hard worker, and really over achieved at Texas.

by AirforceBat on Feb 2, 2009 5:15 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Draft

Now that Brian Stewart has been run out of Dodge, as Tex was clamoring for last year in the ’Nard, it is time to bring in Dan Reeves and address the QB situation for both the short and long term.

Tex will feel much more comfortable in the new suite if the Cowboys are able to trade for the 6’ 6", 25-year-old quarterback stuck in Cleveland, Derek Anderson. Give the Browns back their 3rd, or package the 4th, 5th, and 7th duplicate picks for a chance to make a position of weakness, one of strength.

by Montecito Tex on Feb 2, 2009 2:04 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Why would you give up

all those draft picks when he will probably be release anyway?

by texstar on Feb 2, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Derreck Anderson is less accurate than Romo

you think picks come to often now, wait tell our QB actually throws just as many INTs and TDs

by AustonianAggie on Feb 2, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

now its confirmed you simply are a Romo hater

because Romo is like 1000 times better than Anderson, its not even close. You know you suck when Brady Quinn puts your ass on the bench.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 2, 2009 2:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

plus if you think Romo is fat

Anderson in eyes will look like Jabba the Hut.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 2, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

So your going to replace Tony Romo...

with Derek Anderson?

The same Anderson who had a shot to make the playoffs two years ago and then bombed it against Cincy?

So you want to replace one guy who you say can’t win a playoff game, to another guy who hasn’t made the playoffs?

That makes perfect sense.

by AirforceBat on Feb 2, 2009 5:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Solid pick, Tex

Derek Anderson was dead last in the NFL in bad decision percentage in 2007 amongst starting QBs. I know you fear statistics, but check them out some time.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Feb 2, 2009 7:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

In regards to drafting players

Cowboys have to draft size early and I disagree that 320 lbs NT is a priority, Safety is what blows in our run scheme. However you need to draft size when size is available so unless a safety with great potential is on the board Dallas will probably draft a guard.

by AustonianAggie on Feb 2, 2009 2:07 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I think we do

need to have that space eater. Then the big ILB and a safety. The Steelers just added another weight on the side of the scales that says defense wins football games. The Giants put one there last year.

One play won the Super Bowl for Pittsburgh. The Steeler D makes a pick, stops a sure Cardinal TD and instead, the Steeler D scores a touchdown. Take 7 away from Pitt and add it to the Birds..and it’s a different game. Pittsburgh’s D won the game. Ben made good plays when he had to…but he was only in position to make those plays because of his D and that pick 6.

We need to own the middle of the field with our D. Drafting a big-ass NT is like getting 2 for 1 because we can move Rat off to either side and have him in more one on ones.

"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams

by Jim Vance on Feb 2, 2009 3:51 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

here's a FA space eater on the low key market I just noticed

 Colin Cole, Packers. Age: 28.
A monstrous defensive tackle weighing 330 pounds, Colin Cole played in all 16 games but didn’t log a start.

by AustonianAggie on Feb 2, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Also, Shaun Cody of Detroit

might be better suited for a 3-4 and will be a FA

by AustonianAggie on Feb 2, 2009 4:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1000000

I want a stud NT that will not be pushed around when doubled. I want the other team to know that running up the gut against my team will not be easy, even if they double the NT.

Until we get “The Man” at NT, our LB’s are going to get eaten and broken. I know there are those that will say Wade’s system calls for a more mobile NT like a Ratliff, but Wade will not be here long term. I like Ratliff, just not at the NT position. The only part of his game that he cannot help is that he cannot protect the LB’s from getting worked. I want my team to be feared as a team you cannot run up the middle on, an area of strength. I wouldn’t say that it’s an area of strength on our team.

Two positions that I want taken care of as a priority in no particular order are NT and Saftey. If we can address those two areas, our defense will be greatly improved. (If someone can coach them that is…..)

by T Zig on Feb 2, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Derek Anderson would beat out BJ and Bollinger pretty quick. I don’t think he has the ability to beat out Romo but perhaps can keep Romeo working on something other than his tan in Mexico.

He was hurt last year and played that way. I think he might get cut though………Quinn is the future of that franchise.

Carolina Panthers lost at home………..is Jake Delhomme being run out of Charlotte?

Eli and Company lost to Philly…………..is Eli being run out of NY?

Romo deserves criticism because he did go to Cabo……..and he didn’t close the deal. Nobody cares if he won a playoff game. I personally think Garret thought he had Aikman, Irvin and Emmit and that early 90s oline. We were running boring offense with little motion and pour route running from TO and RW2.

I think Jerry would do wise to hire Jon Gruden…..Shanahan 2nd choice….as the QB coach and replace Wade Wilson. One thing about Gruden…………he would stay on Romo like white on rice and whip him into shape. He might also be able to introduce Garret to a route called a SLANT for TO…………

A former Coach on the staff lets the rest of these underperforming PLAYERS and COACHES know………….screw up and you get Gruden or Shanahan……….already on the staff. Nobody in the NFL wants to play for Gruden…………..Just ask Meshawn.

by Jon B. on Feb 2, 2009 4:22 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Derek Anderson?!?

Don’t you mean, trade back for Drew Henson. I’m sure you still believe that he is the next great Cowboy quarterback.

by troysboys on Feb 2, 2009 4:40 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Would JP Losman

be that bad for a backup? When he was at Tulane he was pretty mobile etc. Don’t know if he was over-rated coming out or just in a bad situation at Buffalo?

by texstar on Feb 2, 2009 4:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ashlee Palmer?

 (6’2" 223 lbs / 4.59 40 yards). ……i havent seen him play, but that doesn’t sound like “quick ball hawking saftey”, eccspecially since he was an inside linebacker too……and with Roy and Keith as SS(KD has no business being a FS) and Hamlin who should be a FS…I don’t think this is the type of saftey we need, do we even have another spot on the depth chart for another saftey like this??? but as a FA then of course wouldn’t mind bringing him to training camp

and with Bradie James as our long term ILB, do we really need to be grooming a 6-2, 280 pound inside linebacker to play beside him? I don’t mind the idea of him beind an outside linebacker we could groom if he falls to us in the 5th round, but with bradie james covering like he does, im not sure if we want to be grooming a 6-2, 280 guy who’d need to know how to cover since that’s our pro bowl ILB’s weak spot and the weak spot of our safeties……..

but if you dont see him as a prospect who we could groom as a starting ILB beside Bradie and just see him as a back up/situational guy and special teamer, then ok…But if we lose Burnett, we’re going to need a nickel ILB and this guy isnt even an option and he would take up a spot on the depth chart…..i’d rather have him as a OLB…..Not completely disagreeing with you or anything, just asking these questions and stating some things that i see off the bat and seeing what everyone else thinks….don’t crucify me guys if i missed something or if i’m wrong all together lol it was a long night last night and a tough day today

But I really like what you’re doing here Jim, nice to have you aboard and want to say congrats man from a fellow Cowboy brother

by slash on Feb 2, 2009 5:11 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I welcome your comments..

…besides. you were one of those oops players yourself weren’t you Kordell? As far as Palmer’s 40 time, I’ve seen it all over the boards and to be fair, I took the slowest one I found. However, he is said to have good ball skills and I think I read where he picked off a couple of passes during 7 on 7 drills before the Senior Bowl. He’s a big guy for a safety and I saw him as an Adrian Wilson (Cardinals) type guy who can play deep but also give us run coverage. Thong hasn’t really given us much of either lately and Hamlin hasn’t impressed me with his whiff tackles near the line. I think the guy probably will end up being a FA and therefore worth a shot.

I just like Mitch King. I like his motor and his heart, like a poor mans Chris Long. I also like the idea of changing the paradigms of the game by having a guy like that playing behind a Ron Brace and Jay Ratliff and making opposing RBs disappear. I dout if it plays out this way but this is the fun time, to just play, what if….

"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams

by Jim Vance on Feb 2, 2009 7:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Adrian Wilson doesn't play deep man, anywhere but deep....

the exact opposite as a matter of fact, he plays as close to the LOS as possible and as many times as possible…..He’s actually been a personal favorite of mine and i’ve been following his whole career… he’s known as like a Roy Williams, he can hit and is one of the best run stopping safeties in the league but to put it nicely he’s not even average in his cover skills….the difference between him and Roy Williams is Arizona uses Adrian Wilson correctly(their main defense is also the 4-3)….also Wilson is the better player at this point in their careers but im just making a point, they’re in the same mold of a safety.

It’s not this black and white but in a general sense, this defenses problem isnt stopping the run, it’s pass coverage(don’t bring up the last 2 games please)……We do have to get better at stopping the run but we can do that with the personell we already have if we had to, but our linebackers and safeties aren’t going to become good in pass coverage when that’s not their game, our pass defense is what kills us……

In my mind we shouldn’t bring in another saftey unless he’s a ballhawking FS who can cover and isn’t a liability in pass coverage (to start or groom atleast), unless we get rid of someone…….We do need a big middle linebacker since we’re in a 3-4 and he’ll have to be able to shed blockers and survive the impact with blockers and continue in pursuit, but with bradie James we also need someone who can atleast not be a complete liability in the middle of the field or on screens/flats to take the pressure off of James in that area…..I actually love Mitch King too, just not so much at ILB unless we expect him to be a backup to Bradie James….

and I know it’s a game of what if, everybody loves this part of the offseason, day dreaming who we’re going to bring in…..I too think we should go defensive and Safety, ILB and DT/DE should be the positions we should target….just think the type of player should be different or in some cases, the opposite…..It’s a pretty big stretch to expect King to drop 3 rounds but if he can be had in the 5th i wouldn’t be opposed to taking him. Only If we get another ILB who can start though and he isn’t in the same mold as King and if Ellis is on his way out I think we’d be better off with him playing OLB……I definately think we shouldn’t get another Saftey who is 225+ and runs a 4.6 who can’t cover, NO questioin about it, unless we get rid of someone else and then to be a backup, but as a FA im all for him competing in TC.

Summary(since its a long post): Quick Ballhawking safety and a line of 6-2 223 4.6 40 shouldn’t be in the same sentence, but not only that… those type of safeties have been a huge part of our defensive downfall and we need the exact opposite of a safety… Maybe Anthony Henry will turn out the be the ballhawking saftey we need and in that case we need to draft more corners….and a 6-2 280 pound fat ILB should be the last type of LB who we should be looking at to start with Bradie James ECCSPECIALLY if you want another 225+ pound slow Safety who can’t cover… At ILB and FS, We have to get Players who counter-act and can co-exist with the playing styles and the skill set with the Pro Bowlers we already have at those positions…..we need a Safety who’s a ball hawk and who can cover to allow Hamlin/Roy to do what they do best and the same goes for ILB. Bradie needs to be used like a Bowling ball, just Slam up against the LOS or letting him Spy or Freelance so he can take advantage of his instincts. Instead of being forced to be stuck in coverage which is his weak spot because of his fellow ILB being non-existent in coverage. Bradie thrives when those duties aren’t on his shoulders and he’s allowed to spy or freelance. Now Of course James will have to play in coverage sometimes no matter what but if we have a 280 pund guy as the other middle linebacker, there wouldn’t even be an option and Bradie also showed his skills in rushing the passer up the middle later on in the season too.

and i have no clue what you’re talking about with the Kordell comment, something relating to Stewart? if it has anything to do with him as an analyst on ESPN I wouldn’t get the reference because i rarely watch that crap anymore….so you’re going to have to explain that one lol hopefully it wasn’t an insult or anything, i’m pretty sure it wasn’t… you seem like a nice guy lol oh and I think it’s “Kurt” Warner, don’t mean to be an azzhole, I hate when people do that, just helping you out man not trying to be spell check, i know i screw up a lot, just figured since it was a name, id help…..Sorry that this is so long.

by slash on Feb 3, 2009 12:21 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Kordell Stewart's

nickname was ‘slash’. On the Steelers roster he was listed as QB/WR/punter/return man lots of ‘slashes’

"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams

by Jim Vance on Feb 3, 2009 8:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

oh yeah that's right

completely forgot about that nickname, that’s going back like 10 years and the way he played in the 2000’s made everyone forget about it lol wasn’t thinking of my username

by slash on Feb 3, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

One More Year...

Tex is fine with giving Tony Romo one more year, but there has to be another quarterback brought in who can push the soft and distractable quarterback.

What bothers Tex is the makeup of this kid and his squandering of a once in a lifetime chance. This throw and “tackle” say it all…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_n7WSZXQKg

Instead of Cabo or Hollywood, the divorcee-chasing quarterback needs an off-season trip to Oz for a brain, a heart, and a big dose of courage.

by Montecito Tex on Feb 2, 2009 5:20 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

speaking in the 3rd person really works for you, it makes you look so cool

you’ve probably lost count how many times it’s gotten you laid right?

definately not being sarcastic

atleast you’re actually trying to state a legitimate opinion in there somewhere though, so kudos for that

by slash on Feb 2, 2009 6:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And I agree...

That you need someone to push Romo, but I think your overestimating the talent or whatever of this team.

And I don’t think you can judge a QB by him getting juked out by a CB.

by AirforceBat on Feb 2, 2009 6:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

There aren't any FA qbs available that can push Romo

The only qbs good enough to push Romo are starting on other NFL teams. Guys like Losman, Boller, Batch, McCown are not going to push Romo.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 3, 2009 10:50 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know about that

David Carr looked a lot better this year behind Giants line than he did before. Not saying these guys would necessarily push Romo but maybe they are in bad situations.

by texstar on Feb 3, 2009 10:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

If Dallas doesn't upgrade the O Line

I don’t care who you have at QB or running back they will not make the playoffs yet again.

Geaux Cowboys!

by dlthibo on Feb 2, 2009 8:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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