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Draft Watch: Whither the Safeties?

Everybody knows safety ranks high on the Cowboys' wish list.  The team lacks depth at the position.  It's missed out on top prospects like Michael Griffin, Reggie Nelson and Tyrell Johnson the last two years.  Roy Williams is due a huge payday in '09 and its not clear how much longer the team will carry his one-dimensional play. 

This year offers more interesting safety prospects, but where will they go?  The Cowboys pick 51st and 69th and depending on where you look for your draft information, that's either too late or just right to fill this need.

 

Star-divide

If you look at Scott Wright's just re-juggled draft rankings, you'll see the top four safety candidates -- William Moore, Rashard Johnson, Louis Delmas and Sean Smith -- all in the 30 to 44 range.  Understand that these are raw rankings, not a prediction of where the players will be selected. 

If history is any guide, the early second is where safety runs generally begin.  Unless a player has a top, top ranking coming out of college, as Roy Williams (8th) Sean Taylor (5th) Michael Huff (7th) and Laron Landry (6th) Donte Whitner (8th) Troy Polamalu (most teams wait until the 2nd to fill the need.  Mike Brown (39th) Ken Hamlin (42nd) Eugene Wilson (36th) Kenny Phillips (31st) Brodney Pool (32nd) and Bob Sanders (44th) were all snagged in this perennially meaty part of the draft. 

There is no consistency to the rankings.  The National Football Post's Wes Bunting predicted yesterday that Utah's Sean Smith, an early-entry junior, could be the first safety off the board -- because a team might play him at cornerback

As of now, Smith is a bit of an unknown and is being looked at more as a second-round pick. But if he runs as well as expected (sub-4.5), I can’t see many teams passing on his tremendous upside in the first round.

Delmas, Johnson and Moore all appeared at the Senior Bowl and Delmas appears to have benefitted the most. He's now listed as 31st overall on Scout's Inc.'s ratings and he moved up a good dozen spots in Wright's ratings.  If the Cowboys are serious about him, it seems they would have to consider moving up, as the Chargers did in '06 for Utah's Eric Weddle.  Right?  Here's where it gets murky. 

In his ratings of risers and droppers, Scouts Inc's Todd McShay said this about the pre-Senior Bowl favorite William Moore:

We have had concerns about Moore's diagnostic skills and stiffness in his hips. Those concerns were confirmed when comparing him to other top safeties playing in the Senior Bowl, such as Delmas and Alabama's Rashad Johnson. Moore still could be a top-40 selection because of his outstanding size-speed combination, but he won't rank that high on our board.

So Moore might go in the top 40, but rank below Delmas and Johnson.  More fuel for a move-up argument, right?  Here's McShay again, rating the safeties as a group post-Senior Bowl:

Delmas and Johnson aren't as big as some of the other prospects but you wouldn't know it from watching them on the field. They were by far the most complete players of the group...While none of these prospects are expected to come off the board in the first two rounds, Delmas and Johnson project as early second-day selections. (emphasis mine)

See what I mean?  Is McShay contradicting his own organization's ratings?  Is this belief that the safeties won't go high based on talks with actual pro scouts at Mobile? 

I'm hoping to split the difference.  I'm hoping the group is undervalued as a whole and that just one of the Smith, Delmas, Johnson group drops into that early 2nd day, where Dallas is perfectly positioned, as they own Cleveland's pick, the 5th overall in the 3rd round. 

Yesterday, the Post's Bunting gave some ammunition for this hope, with a four round deep, ten-tier board

The Meat and Potatoes Draft

The breakdown shows that Dallas, if it stands pat, will likely compile a meat and potatoes draft, one short in skill position players and one heavy on offensive and defensive linemen, linebackers and a safety or perhaps two.

It won't be sexy, but if you're aware of Dallas biggest shortcomings, the breakdowns should make you smile.  The Cowboys should get strong opportunities to fill their biggest needs -- safety, nose tackle, interior offensive linemen, with their first few picks.  Using these deeper ratings as a guide, here is my latest mock.  I'll probably change as the draft approaches, but for the moment, I'm assuming the Cowboys stay in their current slots.

2nd Round -- Rashad Johnson, FS, Alabama

There's a bit of disagreement on him.  Wright and Scouts Inc. rate him in the early 2nd.  Bunting rates him as a solid 3rd rounder.  I'm a big fan of the wisdom of crowds theory, that the group's cumulative knowledge is better than any single position, and the composite rating puts Johnson in the late-2nd/early-3rd tier.

The safety spot is rather shallow.  If you want a safety with range and ball skills -- and I do -- I think the Cowboys need to obtain one of Delmas or Johnson.  Delmas, and Utah's Sean Smith, have zoomed up to the late-1st/early-2nd tier.  I don't see Dallas moving up to get them.  I think they can get Johnson at 51. 

Johnson played for Nick Saban, and gets high marks for his instincts and range. Saban plays a pro-style defense, so his players have shorter learning curves.  Laron Landry has Saban's last big FS prospect and he moved from LSU's to Washington's secondary seamlessly.

If the Cowboys go in another direction, look at the o-line beef that could be available.  Tier five, the solid 2nd rounders, includes the top center prospects Alex Mack and Max Unger, and OU road grader Duke Robinson.  I would not complain if one of them was the pick.

3rd round -- Ron Brace, NT, Boston College

He weighed in at Mobile at 329 lbs.  His BC teammate B.J. Raji stole the week, but i think Brace had the better game.  He shows raw power, can push guards and centers backwards, and showed some hustle.  In the 2nd quarter Brace started a rush, pulled off when the opposing QB threw a quick flare to a running back, and made the tackle 25 yards upfield.  Any NT Dallas acquires would only have to contribute 20 or so plays per week, playing behind Jay Ratliff.  Hope the draft board is accuate here;  Brace is rated as a solid 3rd rounder.  Dallas owns the 5th pick of the 3rd round. 

4th round -- Jonathan Luigs, C, Arkansas

A player whose composite rating is the mid-to-late 3rd round.  Dallas owns the first pick of the 4th round.  It's not a reach to get him here, as centers tend to drop.  The center position is deep, and Luigs seems to have the 4th overall rating, behind fellow Cs Mack, Unger and Eric Wood.  Luigs played C and both guard positions in the Senior Bowl.  He needs to get stronger, but he pulled effectively and pass blocked extremely well.  He's got quick feet and held his ground against B.J. Raji. 

4th round -- Phil Loadholt, OT, Oklahoma

Loadholt had a so-so Senior Bowl,and had trouble with speed rushers while playing at his college position of left tackle.  If he's going to make it, he'll be a right tackle.  The late 4th is a much better risk for him.  He's an extremely effective drive blocker, but he'll need a lot of coaching to smooth out his position change and of course, he'll need a lot of work on pass blocking.  He's had off the field problems that need to be checked out.

 

 

 

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I would be very happy with Smith

Any safety that teams may consider as a CB gets my attention. That means he can probably cover.

by StillHateTheGiants on Feb 2, 2009 6:33 PM CST reply actions  

speaking of Michael Huff

is he a safety or corner? He was awesome at UT and he may be available. May not be all that bad because he’s stuck in Oakland

by texstar on Feb 3, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

the deal is he's not anything

Maybe it’s oakland, maybe it’s bad drafting by oakland.

How good was he? When he went #8 in the draft and UT won the national title, UT was ranked in the 50s on Defense (USC was in the 40s, thats part of the reason those teams scored so many points in that game)

by AustonianAggie on Feb 3, 2009 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

True, but since I see

a lot of UT games I always hope for them to be good. Don’t worry Aggie I am not a UT alumni, I just live in Austin so don’t hold it against me LOL!

by texstar on Feb 3, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Don't agree

Michael Griffin,Jammer,Aaron Ross(better than Henry or Jenkins IMO) Casey Hampton,Leonard Davis. Point is you never know how players are really going to turn out. Look at USC-I would venture to say that Bush,Leinert,Lendale White,Williams haven’t exactly been superstars?

by texstar on Feb 3, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Texas players are usually very overrated

Derrick Johnson, Vince Young, Roy Williams, Ricky WIlliams, Quentin Jammer(he goes on my list), Limas Sweed

by cow_fanatic on Feb 3, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

just trying to argue for arguments sake. But you know you never really know how a college player is going to translate into the pros. I’m actually shocked about Limas Sweed because he was pretty good in college. I don’t think you can put Ricky Williams in that category-he was pretty good-he just can’t stay off the funny weed. He was even weird in college.

by texstar on Feb 3, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not a texas fan, but come on... Limas Sweed and Quentin Jammer?

Quentin Jammer is good. I doubt many people would agree with you on that assessment.

And Sweed is a rookie, a second round pick, and has good veteran receivers ahead of him on the depth chart. What do you want him to do? start over Holmes and Hines Ward? you are just hating now. And this is coming from someone who has no loyalties to UT.

by quincyyyyy on Feb 3, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

I’m laughing out loud knowing all the Shorthorn apologists coming to the defense of their players. Jammer has never lived up to his draft position. I forgot one, Chris Simms. None of this to be taken seriously, just havin’ fun

by cow_fanatic on Feb 3, 2009 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed,

but you kind of have to feel sorry for Simms because Gruden treated him terrible. I mean a missing spleen? He does have a very good arm though. Wonder how he would do with a good offense instead of Tampa?

by texstar on Feb 3, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

You have to wonder

about his health overall and ability at thsi tpoint. We could have picked him up for nothing, unstead, stuck with Brad Johnson?

by cow_fanatic on Feb 3, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I heard somewhere

that after he got into the Titans systems he had improved a lot. I think some of it is/was Tampa and some of it was because of his health. I heard that he was throwing a lot better.

by texstar on Feb 3, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

he needed to recoup lost muscle mass in some team's gym

before he could give it a go.

Plenty of Texas players have been good. But UT also has a glamour image making a lot of players over-rated. I’ll give you one who wasn’t over rated: Earl Cambell

by AustonianAggie on Feb 3, 2009 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I would love to get Johnson in the 2nd

Does he have any injury concerns? Pro-style defense + instincts + range = Perfect.
I don’t think Brace will fall that far, someone would probably trade back into the 2nd round if he made it into the later part of that round.

by hiafex on Feb 2, 2009 7:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Raf

Do you pull the trigger on a trade to 40 if Delmas falls and give up our 2nd and 4th this year?

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z

by Wmillion on Feb 2, 2009 7:16 PM CST reply actions  

That's pretty good

I like the first two picks. Rashad Johnson would be a good pick there. If we want to we can wait to the third round and pick SS Chip Vaughn who I think is a little underrated.

I think the 3rd is the highest I would take Brace. Some here want to reach and take him in the second round. That is when you get yourself into trouble.

As for the 4th round I would rather take an ILB like Lee Robinson, who is a prototypical 3-4 ILB at 6-2 250, but is nonetheless athletic. Another ILB I like is Frantz Joseph, who is not as athletic or big as Robinson but has a high football IQ, is tenacious, and is a force against the run.

by quincyyyyy on Feb 2, 2009 7:38 PM CST reply actions  

I don't want a S who isn't Delmas or Johnson

Vaughn looks pretty good but what’s his game? At best, he’s another version of Roy and Keith.

Dallas doesn’t need another player like that. It needs another player who can find the football when its in the air.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 2, 2009 7:49 PM CST reply actions  

Roy Was Good At Getting Picks.

It wasn’t too long ago that he led the team in INTs. However, his achilles is coverage.

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by TheHeat on Feb 2, 2009 7:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Well the knock on him was that he was one of those

“in-the-box” safeties, but supposedly at the Senior Bowl he put concerns over his coverage skills to rest. I think if he times well in the 40 he would be well worth a 3rd round pick.

I think it is very unfair to label him as another version of Keith or Roy. Keith Davis was never considered talented. And Roy is a lazy fat @#$.

by quincyyyyy on Feb 2, 2009 7:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, considering that Roy IS a LFA

it’s not fair to hang that on any rookie. Point taken.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 2, 2009 9:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Backup plan?

Raf, if Delmas or Johnson aren’t on the board, they what are the options in free agency? Any realistic shot at nabbing a ball hawking safety?

by Boundforbeach on Feb 2, 2009 8:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Well Otogwe and Sean Jones are slated to become FA's

but that is only if they have retards in the front office and don’t slap a franchise tag on them, as it is relatively cheap to franchise a safety.

by quincyyyyy on Feb 2, 2009 9:01 PM CST up reply actions  

As much as I'd love him in that spot

There is no way Loadholt falls to round four. The guy compares to Gosder Cherilus, who while a Detroitpick and therefore instantly dubious, was a first rounder last year. They’re similar players, but Loadholt has far more upside. This is just like the speculation \last year that Jeremy Zuttah would fall to the Cowboys in round 6/7; teams get enamored by enigmas. I’m willing to bet Loadholt is gone by our second selection.

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by Conjunction on Feb 2, 2009 7:58 PM CST reply actions  

If Johnson and Delmas are both gone..

If Johnson and Delmas are both gone when the cowboys pick in the draft.. then maybe the cowboys try to trade their 2nd round pick and get an extra first next year? Next year is supposed to be a good safety class. 2 first rounders next year puts us in position to grab one of the top safetys like Taylor Mays. If they did that, then maybe experiment with Henry at FS(just for 1 year) and Hamlin at SS.. although that gives us 2 players in the secondary in their first year full time at a position if Hamlin moved to SS. Just throwin out suggestions.. nothin else to do for like the next 3million days til footballs back! Haha

by theboysfan on Feb 2, 2009 8:00 PM CST reply actions  

Henry is not going to saftey

would have already happened, that ship has sailed

by Becho on Feb 2, 2009 10:52 PM CST up reply actions  

he's a decent CB still, to this day

I’m not saying he’s awesome or even Kevin Smith after back surgery, but he can play a hard to secure position and with him at CB we got 4 good ones

by AustonianAggie on Feb 3, 2009 10:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Who had good seasons other than Ware and Ratliff?

Point is the whole team sucked, cut them all or get rid of the head coach in charge of the way the players were prepared and performed

by cow_fanatic on Feb 3, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Your always ready to get rid of people but your backup plan is to draft someone or sign

an over priced free agent . When some one beats him out and we have depth then we can cut someone. When we draft a guy and actually see him play against pros then we can cut someone.
With Henry on the roster we dont need a CB. Cut him and we need to draft one. Lets see what the draft holds for us. Lets not put ourselves in a need of more must have positions. With Safety, Guard, NT, ILB, developemental QB, Oline depth, and Dline depth, do we really need to cut him now. The guy is a servicable CB who could provide depth a FS.

by squidlo97 on Feb 3, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I think this is long overdue.

How long has safety been an issue for Dallas?

Seems like since Woody left.

I honestly believe that if dallad could hit with a very good safety, it might take their defense to the next plateau.

by AirforceBat on Feb 2, 2009 8:49 PM CST reply actions  

If Delmas hits the second round

then Jerry has to start working the phones. I’m betting that Jaques Reeves will net us a 4th round compensatory pick. If that is the case then we will have some ammo to play with.

by quincyyyyy on Feb 2, 2009 9:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Dont forget about Julius

He could net us something in the 4th or 5th round as well.

by boysinyabelly on Feb 2, 2009 9:26 PM CST up reply actions  

From what I recall

It’s determined on a combination of factors; playing time, production, postseason honors, and money. Julius was pretty decent this past year, but compensatory picks are rarely very high even for the best of players. So a 5th is probably a reasonable assessment.

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by Conjunction on Feb 2, 2009 9:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I think the most important factor is the money in the contract they sign

And you’re right, how they did with their new team comes into play too.

by StillHateTheGiants on Feb 2, 2009 9:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Only 18 RB's in the NFL made more money than Julius Jones' 3.8 million in '08

I think being a former 2nd round pick, and 1,000 yard rusher, along with 700 yards and a career best 4.4 ypc average warrants at least a 4th, and possibly a third…But with the offset of Zack Thomas, It may bring it back to a 4th-5th…

.I’m thinking two 4th rounders for Reeves and Jones…..giving us 4- 4th rounders, and lots of trade bait…..woo hoo

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 3, 2009 5:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Seeing that we need an ILB

What do you think the chances of us snagging Larry Foote are. He’s already said he will not take the paycut Pittsburgh is asking him to take, and therefore has most likely played his last game as a Steeler. He’s started for PItt’s D for the past 4-5 years, he’s only in his 7th year, and might be a good stop-gap for a few years before we are a position to draft another ILB.

Don’t get me wrong, we need a young LB in there, but could this be a possiblity?

by commoncents on Feb 2, 2009 10:03 PM CST reply actions  

Not a bad idea...

But it really depends on how much money Foote will be looking for, hard to give big money to a MLB that is 28 and while he’s goooood… he’s not otherworldly.

by AirforceBat on Feb 2, 2009 10:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Thats the one thing I think Raf is missing from this mock

I know it only goes 4 rounds deep, but I think there’s a strong possibility we could snag a ILB who drops. We talked to something like 4 LB’s at the sr. bowl so if one of the top Safeties aren’t there I wouldn’t doubt we grab a top ILB as the team has absolutely no faith in Barbie.

Considering we’re likely to lose Burnett and Zach, this position could be incredibly weak next year with little to no depth.

by boysinyabelly on Feb 2, 2009 10:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I've read he want to go back to Michigan

He grew up there and played for Michigan in college. This is likely his last
contract.

Seems like a low priority for him.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 2, 2009 10:58 PM CST up reply actions  

And probably unstable too

Or maybe he’s just OK with being in the neighborhood, maybe Cleveland would be close enough.

by StillHateTheGiants on Feb 3, 2009 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Let me add, re: Foote

I was watching the Steelers ILBs because they’re both going to be UFAs.
Foote may be four years younger than James Farrior, but Farrior is the better
player. When Pittsburgh went into its nickel, Foote came out and Farrior stayed
in. He can cover RBs. He’s got a complete game.

In short, I would rather pursue him. I also think he would be cheaper than either
of the Ravens’ ILBs, though I would still prefer Bart Scott, because he’s 29.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 3, 2009 1:06 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree, Foote is average LB at best

Like many other Steelers, he is a product of LeBeau’s defense.

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by Terry on Feb 3, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

No Foote, he's not an upgrade, plus he wants to go back to MI

I bet PIT re-signs Farrior.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Feb 3, 2009 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

why no love for Patrick Chung

Hamlin is a free safety, we need someone to replace Roy. Chung is crazy productive and has his head screwed on straight.

by Becho on Feb 2, 2009 10:50 PM CST reply actions  

Brace

will not be on the board when Dallas picks in round 3 (you can take that to the bank).

I would be happy with Johnson in round 2.

2. Ron Brace, NT, BC (he might be gone by pick 51) – move Ratliff to DE
3. Trevor Canfield, OG, Cincinnati
4. David Bruton, FS, Notre Dame
4. Jason Phillips, ILB, TCU
5. Clinton McDonald, DT/DE, Memphis (I like this guy) http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=75357&draftyear=2009&genpos=DT

5. Kyle Moore, DE/OLB, USC – http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=57024&draftyear=2009&genpos=DE

6. Joel Bell, OT, Furman
7. Frantz Joseph, ILB, Florida Atlantic
7. Kevin Ogletree, WR, Virginia

by tyler2 on Feb 2, 2009 10:53 PM CST reply actions  

no way

Brace is a reach in the 2nd and like someone else said earlier, reaching like that is when you get in trouble. there are still a few other NT prospects which will be available later.

by Becho on Feb 2, 2009 10:58 PM CST up reply actions  

NTs who can't rush

Wright had A&M’s Red Bryant in the late 2nd, early 3rd last year and he was drafted in the mid 4th. Every NT in that draft went lower than projected in the semi-pro mocks. Bryant, Ahtyba Rubin, Frank Okam, Pat Simms.

And it’s not just a one year phenomenon. Alan Branch started out in the top 15 this time of the year and fell into the 2nd round on draft day. Gabe Watson was a borderline first rounder early and fell into the 4th when the real picks were made.

They either rise, like a Casey Hampton, or Haloti Ngata or B.J. Raji will this year, or they’ll fall. Now, I can see a team like Miami looking at Brace in the late 2nd, but Dallas is in the very early 3rd. If they really, really like the guy, they can move up a little.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 2, 2009 11:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Why pass on Byrant last year?

I was thinking of this the other day. When Bryant was falling on draft day I was praying we’d select him, but we just kept trading down every chance we had (indicating the team didn’t have him rated very highly at all).

Although Brace might be a better prospect than Bryant, he is definitely cut from the same mold (big clogger, not great at getting to the QB). Maybe the team doesn’t value cloggers in Wade’s scheme and if so you can pretty much take Brace off the wish list.

by boysinyabelly on Feb 2, 2009 11:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly
Maybe the team doesn’t value cloggers in Wade’s scheme

, Wade likes lineman who can penetrate and disrupt the pocket.

by quincyyyyy on Feb 2, 2009 11:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Passed on Bryant

the Cowboys had just signed Ratliff to be NT the year before and had who they thought was a starter type as a backup. Obviously, they overvalued Tank.

by troysboys on Feb 3, 2009 10:09 AM CST up reply actions  

They didn't pay him much in terms of overvaluing

but they did not do what they did with Pacman, have a backup plan in the event he didn’t work out

by cow_fanatic on Feb 3, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Bryant wasn't all that at A&M

I was pretty suprised by his praise. He was good but i didn’t think first day. That said when you’re getting poor coaching no one knows what you could be

by AustonianAggie on Feb 3, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

No way Frantz Joseph falls that far

if he does and we grab him I will go crazy.

And I don’t want to draft a guard that high to be a third stringer unless he can play center as well.

by quincyyyyy on Feb 2, 2009 11:44 PM CST up reply actions  

btw....Frantz will be available late...don't get all worked up over texas-nation game...

He is a marginal late 4th to mid 6th round talent at best, and needs serious work in coverage…..I agree he won’t make it to the 7th round though..more like 5th-6th..

OG-Canfield would be a decent value pick at #69, if none of the top 4 OC/OG’s hybrids are there…we do need versatility with that first OL pick, and Canfield can even work some reps at OT……

I don’t think Loadholt makes it to round 4, nor do I think we should be looking to groom a RT anyhow…There will be decent 4th round LT prospects there…

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 3, 2009 5:48 AM CST up reply actions  

lol....look, I like the guy...in fact, I'm the one who wrote a post saying look out for this guy...

but don’t over value him, he does have flaws, and he was only invited to the Sisters of the Poor Bowl in El Paso, add that to consideration that a majority of his tackles are against teams like Louisiana Monroe and Lafayette, Southern Utah, Arkansas St, Middle Tennessee St, Troy, North Texas, and Florida International( all considered as some of the weakest teams in Div 1). I loved everything I heard about him, as far as an “in the box” ILB, and comparisons to Ray Lewis…but I wouldn’t take him before round 4.

.He will not be drafted before round 5, as of right now…The good showing at the Sun Bowl, and a great scouting combine can change that to a 4th round grade though..I am all for selecting him after round 4, as we have at least 5 picks. I would like us to draft at least 2 ILB prospects, and I’d prefer 3 LB’s altogether, as that is/can become our biggest corncern with the lack of depth…I do agree with you with selecting Lee Robinson-ILB in the 4th (He will be on my initial mock as one of our 4th rounders), and if we can grab Frantz Joseph-ILB in the 5th-6th-7th…I’d take him too….FA may change the whole dynamics of our draft, so i’m waiting on posting a mock draft…

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 3, 2009 9:59 AM CST up reply actions  

not to change the subject

but, who thinks Danny Amendola will gain a roster sot this year?

by falconPUNCH on Feb 2, 2009 11:09 PM CST reply actions  

going out on a limb...

Danny will not make any roster this season…

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 3, 2009 5:37 AM CST up reply actions  

At least not Dallas

Too many secured guys ahead of him

by AustonianAggie on Feb 3, 2009 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

If the top three are off the board

what would you guys think about taking David Bruton in the later rounds (fourth?)? I dont get to see much college football living in Australia, but he looked pretty good from what I was able to see.

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by aussie_cowboy on Feb 3, 2009 6:15 AM CST reply actions  

I'm hoping for Delmas in the 2nd

If he’s gone by 51, then Chung should be there.

I’d be happy with either one.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 3, 2009 9:45 AM CST reply actions  

+1

Chung, Delmas, or R. Johnson if they take a safety in the 2nd round.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Feb 3, 2009 4:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Reeves Watch 2009

Where the heck is Dan Reeves? The draft is near meaningless this year, without a first and with larger issues on the table like character, discipline, and team.

by Montecito Tex on Feb 3, 2009 10:14 AM CST reply actions  

yeah, because only 1st rounders make the team

Guys like Witten, MB3, Ratliff, Scandrick, all suck, as well as Brady because they weren’t 1st rounders.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 3, 2009 10:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Man, that guy Larry Allen was worthless he was a second rounder….

by AirforceBat on Feb 4, 2009 7:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Draft cb

Victor “MACHO” Harris
and convert him to Safety!!!!!!

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by TrueBlue24 on Feb 3, 2009 10:57 AM CST reply actions  

7 round mock via drafttek.com

2. Duke Robinson, OG, Oklahoma
3. Derek Pegues, FS, Mississippi St
3. Dannell Ellerbe, ILB, Georgia
4. Terrance Taylor, DT, Michigan
5. Mike Thomas, WR, Arizona
5. Kyle Moore, OLB, USC
6. Ellis Lankster, CB, West Virginia
7. Stephen McGee, QB, Texas A&M
7. Quinn Johnson, FB, LSU

by tyler2 on Feb 3, 2009 1:20 PM CST reply actions  

Terrance Taylor looks pretty good as a prospect

 suprising speed, great size


three time state power lifting champion in Michigan, and the undefeated heavyweight state wrestling champion as a senior

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by AustonianAggie on Feb 3, 2009 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

certainly not always true...especially at Heavy Weight..

You are right though, wrestlers do require sustained endurance and conditioning to excel, and yeah…i wrestled for 10 years and was also a state champion at 170lbs, so i got to view 100’s of wrestling meets….90% of all HW wrestlers in high school, were fat, out of shape beach balls that usually leaned on each other with limited movement, and they’d still be gased, and flopping around like beached whales, and I got to practice nearly every day for 6 years with a 3 time high school state champion heavy weight, he was an exception, and in better shape than most he faced, but there were other hw’s on my team that were just blobs of fat, and were tossed around easily, and i was outweight by 40+ lbs…………I don’t doubt his strength, or his ability to beat those beach balls, or play a good NT in the college ranks…I just relayed reports by several pro scouts that said he often disappeared in games, wasn’t always stout and point of attack, slow off the snap, and questioned his motor…..I’ve never seen the guy play to be honest….just reporting what i’ve read…I look forward to his combine workouts, and more scouting reports, cuz he’s obviously someone we’d be interested in, and if he’s there in the 4th-5th rounds, we’d really have to think about him, if we haven’t chosen a NT by then..

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 5, 2009 12:26 AM CST up reply actions  

If we are as close as we think we are

you typically want to fill the biggest need with a FA which I think is SS. If you draft for your biggest need you better be certain that player is going to be ready to play day 1. I think we’ll get a safety through FA and one of our first 2 picks of the draft. We need to stabilize this position asap.

by cow_fanatic on Feb 3, 2009 1:29 PM CST reply actions  

I just can't stand it that the ...

Steelers got to six SB wins before the Cowboys. I hope the Niners don’t beat us to six too. At least I don’t have to take any crap from the Steeler fans at work, as I retired five years ago. Come on Jerry/Wade lets get back to the big game soon.

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by CowboyMan on Feb 3, 2009 1:36 PM CST reply actions  

The Steelers last 2 should have astericks

I’m not normally one to whine about officiating but…………..

by StillHateTheGiants on Feb 3, 2009 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

No flag for the Holmes TD celebration

and a dubious no reveiw of the last play of the game. Also Harrison was not ejected and there were quite a few other questionable calls that all seemed to go the Steelers way. Although im not agreeing with the asterisk thing. The Steelers won and thats that.

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by aussie_cowboy on Feb 5, 2009 2:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Regarding Victor "Macho" Harris

Macho was labled as a shut-down corner, early on in his career, only to have that lable realized as false. However, he was in between good and great, as a college football player.

As a CB, he was thrown at very often for a “top tier” player. His “highlights” often reveal that his success was based on a poor offensive attempt or good defensive scheming.

When Harris was man-to-man with Maryland’s Darrius Hayward-Bey, the CB was almost step with the speedy WR. However, Harris was giving DHB a 9 to 10 yard cushion. This type of soft coverage does not work in the NFL, demonstrated by Anthony Henry, which we’re all familiar.

In the redzone, Harris seemed to play outside technique in the perfect situations, when the WR was running a fade. His coverage was usually above average. But he leaves the slant route more wide open than Pete Hunter coverage.

His punt return ablility is very overated, and he can get lost in coverage at times.

He has a knack for the big play. He has broken up many passes and intercepted many passes; although, many of his achievments were gambles that were near penalties.

He does have Bob Sanders type size, but not near Polumolu (sp?) bulk. He would have great quickness for a saftey. He’s more than willing to tackle. He has great, great hands.

If Harris were to Bulk up a little bit, then i think he could be coahed to play safety, as he’d have less man coverage with top WRs.

by falconPUNCH on Feb 3, 2009 1:45 PM CST reply actions  

Safety in 2010

Maybe the safety we need isn’t in this years draft – a relatively weak crop of safeties with barely a consensus first round grade in the bunch.

Why not look to the 2010 draft when Mays, Rolle and Berry come out with consensus 1st round grades?

I think Dallas made this same mistake with their OT’s drafting in a weak year ( Martin and Free in 07) rather than waiting for last years bonanza ( Long, Cherilous, Clady and even Gaither who came out in the supplemental draft).

The draft does not have depth at a position of need. The Cowboys don’t have a favorable draft position. Why not wait?

by alanTdot. on Feb 3, 2009 2:13 PM CST reply actions  

I think that you

have a very valid point. No matter how much people despise RW1 the guy is going to play. I hope and pray that he plays well. If Dallas is looking for depth at that position that’s fine, we can surely use it. Personally, I want a big ILB that can play 3 downs if there are any out there.

by jevans1729 on Feb 3, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

If Roy Willie is playing next year regardless >>>

then we are looking for ‘safety sleepers’ at our draft position. In 2010, the third best safety would probably go before anyone in this years draft RIGHT NOW.

by alanTdot. on Feb 3, 2009 10:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I’d be very happy with Raf’s mock draft minus Luigs. I’m not sure about a center that gets pushed around. Visions of Clay Shiver come to mind.

by connery on Feb 3, 2009 4:33 PM CST reply actions  

LT?

Does anyone see a solution to the left tackle position. Not this year unfortunately.

by connery on Feb 3, 2009 4:34 PM CST reply actions  

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