Some free agent pondering...
by Luke. on Feb 2, 2009 9:47 PM CST
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With the Safety position in such a bad state (Keith Davis, Pat Watkins and Courtney Brown are all below average players at Safety and with Roy Williams having gone from very good to very average over the years), I would expect the Cowboys to look very hard at this position in free agency and the draft.
After shedding two significant contributing players on the Dline (Right DE starter Canty and NT backup Tank Johnson) I would definitely be expecting the Cowboys to look hard at the free agents and draftees in this position too.
But I also don't think the Cowboys will go for top tier guys at the positions. Guys like Albert Haynesworth and Jermaine Phillips are probably off the list but there's some very interesting players who'll sign much cheaper contracts that could help this team.
Safety:
Sean Jones. Unrestricted free agent and former second round draft pick who's a 5 year veteran and was the starting Strong Safety for Cleveland the last 3 years. Compiled some very good numbers in 06 (111 tackles, 11 pass deflections and 5 interceptions) and 07 (96 tackles, 10 pass deflections and 5 interceptions). 08 was an injury shortened season (12 games) but he still managed 56 tackles, 4 pass deflections and 4 interceptions. Has good size at 6'1" 220 and is only 26 years old. An upgrade over the Safety formerly known as #31 at a cheaper price, although with the dearth of quality Safety's in free agency Jones could get substantially overpaid and be out of consideration.
James Butler. Unrestricted free agent who went undrafted in 2005 and was signed by the Giants. A solid backup and a good special teamer his first two years (05 & 06), he got majority starting reps in 07 (12 starts) and 08 (14 starts) and had solid numbers (61 tackles, 7 pass deflections and 1 interception in 07. And 68 tackles, 7 pass deflections and 3 interceptions in 08). Good size at 6'2" 215 and is only 26 years old. This former undrafted player should be very reasonably priced in the free agent market and brings several things that this ball club badly needs;
1) An upgrade at Safety: he's undoubtedly better than Keith Davis, Pat Watkins and Courtney Brown and I think at least on par with the shadow of a man we call Roy Williams and for a substantially cheaper price too.
2) Special teams coverage ability: he was very successful on special teams in his first two years and we all know how badly we need special teams help.
3) Playoff and Super Bowl victory experience: Butler led the Giants with 10 tackles in their Super Bowl shut down of the Patriots prolific offense. He has played, and played well, in successful postseason football and this team needs a few more people with that experience.
The price of Butler should not be a prohibitive of drafting a Safety. Butler can be a solid and reasonably priced starter while a rookie learns the ropes. If the rookie catches on quick Butler can become the Nickel safety and play special teams and fill in either Safety spot in case of injury.
Defensive Line:
Colin Cole. Backup DT for the Packers played in all 16 games last year and had 30 tackles, half a sack and 4 pass deflections. Hardly dominating but consider that our backup (Tank Johnson) actually had less production than that in his 16 games. Cole is no-ones saviour but he could be an improvement in our backup NT spot (especially if the Cowboys aren't sold on rookies like Ron Brace etc). Cole's big asset is his big frame, he's 6'1" and 330 pounds. That's true NT build and there's very few of them in free agency. He's only 28 and as far as NT's concerned, from what we've seen in other big guys, his best years might be in front of him.
Igor Olshansky. Drafted with the third pick of the second round by the San Diego Chargers, Olshansky has been a starting Right DE since his rookie year and a solid to good player through his first four years but is coming off a down year in 08. If they're looking for a cheaper replacement for Chris Canty than this is the guy. Had his best year in 07 with 49 tackles, 3.5 sacks, 3 pass deflections and even an interception. Is a very strong player (41 bench reps at combine in 04) and good against the run. Prototype size at 6'6" 309 pounds and only 26 years old. Drafted into Wade Phillips 3-4 Chargers team in 04 and started at Right DE for three years under Phillips on a defense that was outstanding against the run in that period (3rd in 04, 1st in 05 and 7th in 06). Perhaps the Cowboys zero effort into resigning Canty is because Wade thinks Olshansky is a better player that can be had at a better price.
You could probably sign Olshansky, Butler and Cole for less than it will cost someone for Albert Haynesworth alone.
Butler stands out to me as a perfect fit for us. We need to add more than just a draft pick at Safety going into 09 season. Relying solely on a rookie to start 16 games (I'm assuming, no, hoping, Roy Williams is cut by then) is risky and even if he's great we're still one injury away from the leftovers from the clueless crew of Davis, Watkins and Brown from stepping into a starting role. No thanks. Butler offers us plenty at a good price.
Olshansky is the other that we should go for. He can step right in and start no worries as he knows Wade's 3-4 as well as any. At worst, a very good run player at a probably decent price.
Anyone else like any of these guys?
Or are there better free agent options?
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Larry Foote?
I saw he won’t take a paycut Pitt is asking him to take, and therefore might have played his last game as a Steeler. He is a 7 year pro.
He could help.
by commoncents on Feb 2, 2009 10:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
wait...
we shed chris canty? when was this?
by commoncents on Feb 2, 2009 10:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well they haven't actually shed Canty yet...
But Canty’s agent has said more than once that the Cowboys have made no attempt to resign him at all. Maybe something has changed or maybe Dallas is waiting to see what happens in free agency but it seems odd that a team who has made a point of locking up players they want before they’re off contract to not even show an interest in a player of their’s that’s coming off contract if they wanted him back.
by Luke. on Feb 2, 2009 11:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not too big a fan of butler
i’ve seen more than a few giants games and i’ve just never been incredibly impressed by him. He’s playing behind a front 7 that stops the run and rushes the passer very well, and alongside a corner in webster who has become a shutdown cb, and he really hasn’t made a ton of noteworthy plays. I’m not positive hes a significant improvement over davis.
I’d like jones but you’re right hes probably gonna be significantly overpaid.
by foyesboys on Feb 2, 2009 11:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the info on Butler,
While I’m certainly not claiming Butler is the solution at Safety, more an affordable band-aid, but I have a hard time believing he could be worse than the Davis, Watkins and Brown trio. They’re horrible. Keith Davis has never had an interception in 6 years in the NFL. Not a single one. He had one pass deflection last year despite starting 9 games. He has 6 pass deflections in his 6 years. K.C Joyner rated Davis the worst coverage Safety in the NFL in 05 when he started 15 games. I think the verdict is well and truly in; Keith Davis is simply horrible in coverage, he cannot locate the ball in the air, is late to react and too slow to recover, he should never, ever step onto the field on Defense.
Butler had had more pass deflection in 08 (7) that Davis has had in his 6 year career (6). Butler has more picks last year (3) than Davis has in 6 years (0). I just don’t see how Butler could not be an upgrade over the wretched Safety play we’ve had in Dallas lately.
by Luke. on Feb 2, 2009 11:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If Cleveland doesn't franchise Sean Jones I would be surprised
Safeties are relatively inexpensive to franchise.
by quincyyyyy on Feb 2, 2009 11:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1
Jones is a bright spot in their young secondary. He is pretty much the leader of that unit.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 3, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent work, Finally a posting looking forward to the '09 season. Worthy and recommended
Nice work, and very good suggestions. I really feel at least one of our major deficiencies (OL, DL, LB, S) needs to be addressed in FA… I do believe we will see some of our current roster members released to make room for some flexability in FA. I don’t think we will be signing any of the big named FA available, and more than likely will go the route of which this poster presented. I like the Sean Jones mention, but I think he’ll resign in Cleveland or take large dollars elsewhere, unless Jerry and Wade think Hamlin is better served at FS, and cuts Roy, our need of a quality SS could have us bidding for Jones services.We could go the budget route with Butler, as he is better than Davis, and Watkins, but Everything hitches on if Roy Williams gets released. IF he doesn’t get released early (end of this month), you can forget about us looking at Safety in FA. My pick Oshie Atogwe-FS, and move Hamlin to SS. And before I hear any nonsense that we can’t afford him, first off, I doubt St Louis will let him walk, and number two, IF we cut Roy and sign Oshie, it’s a complete wash, as they both would be making the same amount…Pay Roy 7 million to stick around ?, or pay Oshie to roam centerfield for the next 7 years ?? no brainer.
Igor Olshanski is a beast, and I’m sure Wade might be pulling at Jerry’s coat tails to make a run at him. He won’t come cheap though, and I doubt San Diego will even let him go, they’ll franchise him, or at least pay top dollar to retain him, and other teams will surely inquire about him, seeing that a few more teams are going 3-4 this season coming up. That being the case, It would cost about the same to resign Canty or to sign Olshanski…either way, we’re looking at about 5+ million a year for a 3-4 DE, and that’s quite a bit…..I would pass on signing either, move Ratliff to DE, and/or draft a top quality rookie DE in round 2 (Missouri-Ziggy Hood, USC-Fili Moala, LSU-Tyson Jackson) or in later rounds (Purdue-Magee, Auburn- Sen Marks, SJS- Jarren Gilbert, Michigan-Will Johnson). Take the savings at DE, and go out and pick up a run stuffing plugger like Colin Cole of Green Bay, and still draft a rookie NT in the later rounds 3-6 that presents value at the position ( Sammi Lee Hill, Dorell Scott, Terrance Knighton, Chris Baker, Louis Ellis) …Safety value will be there in rounds 2-3, not much after that..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 3, 2009 12:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks...
And I agree with your opening sentiments that we’ll probably release a few guys and that we do need at least some help in free agency at a few positions.
I also was intrigued by Oshie Atogwe as he’s certainly proved a ball hawk. Atogwe has 23 pass deflections and 16 interceptions in the last 3 years! That’s some very good coverage numbers. But I’ve also read he gambles heaps and gets burned for big plays going for his picks. Still, I haven’t seen him play much myself so I don’t really know, if anyone has seen him feel free to fill us in on what you’ve seen.
Atogwe also could attract significant attention and be priced out of our range. As you said though, it all depends on what we do with Roy Williams, if he’s released they could definitely afford to spend some more money at Safety.
On Igor: Franchise tags aren’t thrown around that often and I doubt Olshansky will get one. The DE franchise tag is $9 million. I highly doubt San Diego will want to pay that to Olshansky and apparently, like us with Canty, the Chargers have made no move to resign him so far. Looks like he’ll hit the market for sure.
by Luke. on Feb 3, 2009 1:47 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'd go after Olshansky
He is a good 3-4 end who could replace Canty or Spears and help stop the run. He’s not a big pash rusher but then neither were those two.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 3, 2009 2:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Olshansky does sound like a good fit
Any chance he could play DT?
by hiafex on Feb 3, 2009 8:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he's strong enough, and pretty stout, but i'd be hesitant to sign a FA with the thought of changing his position.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 3, 2009 10:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I would keep him at DE.
by Brendan Scolari on Feb 3, 2009 11:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we don't need any more projects (position changes)
olshansky would be a great fit for us, because wade knows him, and he knows the wade 3-4… simple enough… get it done jerr
by CowboysFan4Life on Feb 3, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
which makes me wonder if we would go after a DE at all...I say we toss Canty a low ball offer, and roll with it...
If he goes elsewhere, we take that saved money and load it into a LB or S contract, both of which would be cheaper and more valued on our D. Keep in mind we also have some talent with Hatcher, and hopefully a resigned RFA Bowen, to go along with the possible notion of moving Ratliff to DE…….so I really don’t see Canty as a big loss, or a MUST sign guy……
I like Canty, but we need our FA money going towards some of our other RFA’s like WR- Miles Austin, and DE- Bowen, possibly LB-Burnett. And I’m on the fence with Burnett as well, as I’m not a fan of players that spend half their careers in the trainers room.
Other positions of need during FA period should be OG, ILB, and S…period……We land an OG like Mike Goff, a ILB like Channing Crowder, or a safety like Sean Jones, we are in VERY good position going into the draft…
I would cut Roy Willie, Anthony Henry, Greg Ellis, and Watkins. which would produce a net cap surplus in excess of 6 million dollars to go towards that FA we’re here talking about.
I would tentatively resign Zack, and have a battle with Barbie Carpenter for the starting ILB spot, IF we don’t get one in FA., with the loser of the battle being cut in training camp.
bye bye Barbie.
I would not resign FA’s Hurd, Tank, Canty, Burnett, Procter, Berger
I would resign Austin and Bowen…and fill in a few more spots in FA, then rack in about 6 quality rookies.
change indeed…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 3, 2009 4:33 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Hurd a RFA?
If he was, I’d throw one of the lower tenders on him. Let him fight for a roster spot. Who knows? We might even get a pick out of him if someone signs him to an offer sheet.
by Mandmeisterx on Feb 3, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1 We don't need Hurd, but a late round tender could be warranted though....
Hurd’s been given plenty of time to show if he’s ready, and hasn’t shown me he’s any better than a #4 WR…….I’d rather take a late round rookie with punt return skills….
Jason Chery of Louisiana – Lafayette would be an ideal pick up in rounds 5-7…..5’11" 195lbs…a timed 4.22 40….there’s your slot WR/PR right there….he may just sky rocket up the draft charts though, into the 3rd-4th round area…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 3, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I like it...a burner for the slot
Maybe another Deshawn Jackson?
by Boyzfan94 on Feb 3, 2009 8:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Chery sounds awesome.
They must get some more speed at WR, especially in the slot position.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 3, 2009 8:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But with that sort of speed he might go earlier than we can get him
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 3, 2009 11:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Random question, but you reminded me of it...
Why isn’t T-New returning punts anymore? Is it an attempt to keep him healthy? He seemed to be sufficient. Not exactly Hester or Rossum, but seemingly more suitable than the rest of our guys. Also, has Mikey Jenkins gotten a shot at it? Recent memory tells me no…
by AikmanNailedMySis on Feb 4, 2009 7:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the fact he's a china doll
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 4, 2009 8:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's that age-old argument
When deciding on Newman in the draft the tie-breaker was his return ability. But they feel he is too important to the defense to allow him to return punts and possibly getting hurt. I hate that argument. Anyone seen the defensive POTY covering on specials teams? Anyone seen Brian Westborrk returning punts? I have
The same argument was used in TC this past year with Felix not returning kicks because of possible injury. It’s football!! Put your team in the best position to win and your players in the best position to succeed
T-New is our best punt returner, put him in
by cow_fanatic on Feb 4, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+2
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 5, 2009 12:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What about QB?
do you think Losman could work? Don’t laugh, but he was pretty mobile in college I believe. He has been stuck on the Bills.
by texstar on Feb 3, 2009 9:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
anyone but BJ will work
I don’t think it really matters, all of the FA QBs look about the same to me, although I’m hoping we pick up Charlie Batch, he was the best backpu qb in the league until he got hurt in the preseason.
I’m thinking the Steelers will want to re-sign Leftwich as their backup.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 3, 2009 9:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Charlie Batch kinda old though?
by texstar on Feb 3, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
7 years younger than Johnson
we want a veteran backing up Romo, not some rookie.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 3, 2009 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't exactly call
Carr,Losman,McCown rookies. I would say they have more upside and can push Romo.
by texstar on Feb 3, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't really know that much about
Batch but wasn’t he in Detroit as a starter?
by texstar on Feb 3, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
McCown best of the list to me..
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on Feb 3, 2009 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm all for JP Losman, or Luke McCown, or Charley Batch, or David Carr, or Leftwich, or Boller, or Ramsey........
as Terry noted:
ANYONE BUT BRAD JOHNSON WILL WORK
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 3, 2009 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ramsey would be a good veteran backup.
Batch would be serviceable too, but they have to draft somebody behind any of these guys.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 3, 2009 8:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it's not a good qb crop
they don’t have to draft a qb this year. Romo is only 29, so we should be patient and wait for a qb we like instead of forcing the issue.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 4, 2009 8:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
You have to always look ahead-look what happened when Aikman went down-always try to groom someone like a Cassel. Never know.
by texstar on Feb 4, 2009 9:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Aikman was much older when he went down
Its good to groom a starter for the future, but there is no hurry as Romo will be the starter for several more years.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 4, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but you don't know that
that’s were they went wrong. You always need someone. Look at Brady as an example.
by texstar on Feb 4, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
my spelling is bad today
that’s where they went wrong with Aikman. They should have been grroming someone before. Look at Green Bay-Aaron Rodgers Brady-Cassel. And before you say more Aaron Rodgers has been there for 4 years. I’m just saying that the reallt good teams groom and don’t wait until there’s a crisis.
by texstar on Feb 4, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thats why you need a good veteran as a backup
the guy you draft and groom isn’t going to come in and play right away. The Packers drafted Rodgers to groom as Favre’s replacement, but Favre was well into his 30’s, Romo isn’t near that age yet.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 4, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
but face it
there aren’t that many Favre’s walking around. I’m just saying that you get a good back-up and groom some-one behind him.
by texstar on Feb 4, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and I agree
but you shouldn’t have to be forced to do it this year with a bad year for qbs. Wait a year or two when there is a good crop available.
My point is we shouldn’t reach for a qb just because we feel the need to groom one.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 4, 2009 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have us selecting QB- Nate Davis of Ball St. at #97 of round 4 in my rough draft mock...
And we might be better served to use our # 69 3rd rounder on him instead. He offers much athletism and upside.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 4, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thats too high
we’re better off filling needs at S, OL, DL and LB first.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 5, 2009 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
DC.com says to go ahead
and draft a QB to groom them. Someone very similar in style to Romo. I agree. Also, get a good back-up to push Romo. Hold on, Terry, not to displace him, but to make Romo compete harder. Romo hasn’t had any competition for 2 years and it has hurt him and the team.
by texstar on Feb 5, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think a backup to Romo should be a top concern for Dallas.
Free Agency or the Draft. We can’t survive with a HUGE dropoff at QB should Tony get hurt again.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 5, 2009 5:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they need both
a free agent and a draft. By not looking ahead in the past with Aikman that’s what got us into all those years of bad QB play. I think having someone pushing Romo is also good for him to help hin push his game up a notch.
by texstar on Feb 5, 2009 5:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1 tex....Dallas would be foolish not to grab a QB this year..in FA , and a mid (rd 3-4) of the draft..
All these NEEDS everyone is talking about, basically boils down to quality depth at this stage, as I don’t foresee any starters coming out of this draft…UNLESS we strike it rich with our first pick with some top tier interior o lineman falling to us. This is way too early to speculate what exactly will be “needed” come draft time…FA is going to solve, or bring about alot of questions as to what’s needed come draft time…
Unless Roy Williams is cut, and Keith Davis flees for FA money, and we don’t aquire a Safety ourselves in FA…no rookie will be coming here and starting at Safety.
Unless we don’t resign Canty, and move Ratrliff over to DE, and don’t pick up any FA NT’s, there won’t any NT in this draft coming in here and starting.
Unless Zack and Burnett leave via FA, and don’t sign any FA LB’s, there won’t be any LB we draft starting next season
Unless a top Olineman can come in here and take over for Kosier or Holland, there won’t be any OL starting this upcoming season.
Nate Davis is going to be a quality #2 QB coming out of the draft, groomed for the next 4-6 years, and will eventually start somewhere….mark it down..
He’s a Romo clone with a bigger arm.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 5, 2009 9:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with you as well Numba 1
some people keep saying there aren’t any good QB prospects coming out this year which is competely incorrect. If you buy that then how did we get Romo? Also, maybe if Romo sees more competition, it will make him more serious about conditioning,mechanics etc. It’s like people are afraid of hurting his feelings? Have they forgotten about what happened this year? BTW where is Nate Davis out of? Everyone keeps wanting to make up excuses about all the injuries we had this year, but every team has them. Not a good excuse.
by texstar on Feb 5, 2009 9:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How about the idea
that Romo takes more of a leadership position if he has a younger QB behind him that needs a role model he can tutor/be an example for. He hasn’t had that yet
by cow_fanatic on Feb 6, 2009 9:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hadn't thought of that.
That’s a super idea. The best way to learn something is to teach it.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 7, 2009 11:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
just saw that Mike Mayock
has him at 4th best QB prospect. I’ll check him out.
by texstar on Feb 6, 2009 4:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He'll go anywhere from early 2nd round to early 4th...
I would be willing to use our 3rd (#69 overall) rounder on him, as he’ll have better overall draft grade than any S, LB,OL, or DL available at that spot, imo. He’s a Romo clone.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 6, 2009 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what we need
same style where our OLine knows what to do etc.
by texstar on Feb 6, 2009 5:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what we need.
I think Nick Eatman was saying that too. We need backups comparable to Romo’s type of play so that the offense doesn’t have to totally switch things up should Romo miss time.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 6, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 6, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I looked up JP Losman's stats
he didn’t get to play much after 2006 because Jauron doesn’t really like him. Jauron wanted Edwards over him. In 2006 he threw for over 3000 yds with a QB rating of 84.9% and avg. 4.7 per rushing attempt. Romo’s rushing avg. is 2.8 from 06-08. His yds. per pass was in the 7 range comparable to Romo’s this year. They are more similar than people think. Just an idea.
by texstar on Feb 6, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Losman's another one I'd like to see here...
more than servicable back up…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 6, 2009 5:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Question is
does he wanna come here as a backup?
by troysboys on Feb 7, 2009 10:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure he would rather be a starter
but sometimes with QB’s it helps to go in as a backup and work your way back up to a starter. Look at Kerry Collins and Kurt Warner. They were backups but started. You never know. Plus, sometimes in certain teams schemes and coaches, they can make you look bad. With proper coaching, you can go to a new team and get better. Look at Collins, he looked really bad out at Oakland but he came to Tenn. and now he’s in the Pro Bowl.
by texstar on Feb 7, 2009 10:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to weigh in
Losman holds the ball too long. Can’t get through his progressions quick enough, don’t want him
by cow_fanatic on Feb 8, 2009 8:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
We can’t get stuck on just finding somebody better than Brad. I’d rather pass on Losman.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 9, 2009 9:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree I think we need someone to groom for the future and someone who can come in and play straight away if Romo goes down
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 5, 2009 11:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see any vet FAs out there
good enough to push Romo.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 6, 2009 9:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Terry,Terry,Terry
you make me pull my hair out. You don’t think anyone out there in the whole NFL can push Romo with competion to be better? Come on, we’re not saying replace him but push him. He hasn’t had any competion for the past 2 years from Johnson and so it has hurt him. There is always room for improvement in anybody’s job.
by texstar on Feb 6, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes, they happen to be starting on other teams
There aren’t any backups qbs in the league capable of pushing Romo, they just simply aren’t good enough, thats why they’re backups.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 6, 2009 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No true,
ever heard of Kurt Warner,Rich Gannon,Matt Cassell,Leftwich. There are back-ups that are very good. They just aren’t in the right system for their skills.
by texstar on Feb 6, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kurt Warner is a starter and will either re-sign
with the Cards or retire, Gannon has been retired for a long time, Cassell just got franchised and will be starting next season for a team Pats trade him to and Leftwich isn’t good enough to challenge Romo, thats simply laughable, not to mention the Steelers will re-sign him.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 6, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just using them as examples
Kurt Warner was a backup in AZ, and St. Louis and Gannon was a backup. Cassel is a backup as well. Come on!
by texstar on Feb 6, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
there are no FAs on the current market
as good as those players and Cassell is a product of the Pats system, he’s not a good example, he’ll fall flat on his face where ever he is traded.
So c’mon tex, give me some names.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 6, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So I guess you want
to stick with noodle arm Johnson? I never said Cassel I was using him as an example. You don’t know if he will fall flat on his face either. No one does. I don’t think you are getting what I’m saying do you? I’m not saying replace him, I’m saying push him to be better because as you said earlier “Romo loves competition”. If you don’t have a back-up to compete with, you definitely won’t improve so I guess your theory about Romo getting better won’t happen.
by texstar on Feb 6, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I never said that either
we can pick up a number of backup qbs better than Johnson, they just won’t be good enough to push Romo, thats all.
Romo does love competition, but there just aren’t qbs available to us that can do that. I’m not against the idea, I just don’t see any qbs that can provide the competition.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 6, 2009 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ummm....over half the FA QB's available have nearly as much or more NFL starts than Romo...
All of these guys aren’t good enough ? that’s why they’re back ups ?? hmmm..sure got alot of starts for no good back ups…Any of these guys are good enough to be out #2 here, and would push Romo to get his act in gear….
Career regular season starts:
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Collins-164
Garcia-130
Warner-101
Carr-79
Harrington-76
Batch-50
Leftwich-46
Boller-42
Romo-39
Losman-33
Grossman-31
Ramsey-24
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 6, 2009 12:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thats no true at all
Forget about Warner, he’ll either be a Card or retired, so take him off the list. Same with Garcia, as long as T.O. is on the team, no way he signs with us.
Also remove Collins because he’s already stated he’ll either be starting in Tenn next year or will retire, so he’s no an option either.
The rest of those guys don’t have snowballs chance in hell of pushing Romo, that’s laughable, truly laughable.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 6, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
none of those guys
would come close to pushing romo. Collins is a veteran qb who, when paired with a fantastic run game and defense, is good enough to lead a team somewhere. Romo’s never had that luxury. Garcia may be an ok qb, but has no deep ball and this offense would slow down to a halt imo with him at qb. Carr and Boller are awful. Batch is probably one of the better backups in the league, harrington isn’t bad, but theres a reason these guys are backups. I’d like to see leftwich deal with our offensive line, the guy is more of a statue than bledsoe.
by foyesboys on Feb 9, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Terry
go listen to Darren Woodson on DC.com from 2/5 and tell me what he says doesn’t make sense. I think he’s more qualified than you or me concerning pushing QB’s.
by texstar on Feb 6, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't disagree with Woody
but the fact of the matter is that there won’t be any FA qbs availbale to the Cowboys who are good enough to seriously push Romo, there just aren’t. Thats what I’m saying, has nothing to do with what Woody is saying.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 6, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree Terry
None of the free agent QB’s that are realistic choices have a chance to unseat Romo as the starter. That’s what I take “push Romo” to mean.
If they are just mean someone who can replace Brad and Brooks and upgrade the backup spot, then of course we all agree on that.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 6, 2009 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You have it wrong
You don’t push a top 10 QB. You get a legitimate, experienced backup in case of injury and draft a Kevin Kolb-esque type of QB to learn from Romo and the backup. Let him sit and learn how to prepare like Romo did with Testaverde. Maybe Romo gets pushed in 4 years but not now.
by cow_fanatic on Feb 6, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody ever said "push" him out of a starting job, BUT
Anyone of those QB’s listed can come right in and take over for Romo if he were to get injured, or if his play was ineffective ( 3 INT’s, 2 fumbles, etc)…Everyone of those QB’s listed is better than Kevin Kolb right now, and you saw how McFlabb’s game improved once he was benched…that is what you need to “push” a QB to prepare better, and focus on better play on the field. Romo knew he couldn’t be benched here with Brad, no matter how badly he struggled…Now having a better backup would make Tony step him game up. Drafting a top tier rookie like Nate Davis in the 3rd-4th round, who would eventually take over for that backup #2 in a few years, leaving us with an inexpensive back up for Romo..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 6, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Finally, thanks for wording it
for me Numba 1. I’ve been trying to say the same thing but I’m not wording it where people understand what I’m getting at.
by texstar on Feb 6, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I got news for you and everyone else
as long as Wade is HC, Romo will never be benched for ineffectiveness.
see Buffalo game 2007
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 7, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't he go out in the Philly game?
That’s sort of a benching in a round-about-way.
by texstar on Feb 7, 2009 2:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no it wasn't
that doesn’t make sense at all. Romo left the game when the game was over, when it wasn’t possible for us to come back, that in no way whatsoever constitutes a benching.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 7, 2009 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Relax, Terry
I’m just messing with you. I know he didn’t get benched but he did get taken out of the game correct?
by texstar on Feb 7, 2009 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If we had a real back up, you can bet your azz Romo would get pulled.
Let me see him throw 3 first half INT’s in the future if we finally bring a quality back up in…..the boo birds will be in full effect….He no longer gets a pass for being a young gunslinger…His post game comments are sealed in the minds of every fan forever…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 7, 2009 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you would lose that bet
no way Wade benches Romo, wake up.
and they’re not sealed in my mind…
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 8, 2009 9:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If he can get back to pulling one or two of those types of games out
then he’ll be everyone’s hero again. This is Romo’s year. He has to make it work this year; no doubt about it.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 9, 2009 9:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You want Romo to play like he did in Buffalo again?
5 picks isnt my idea of a good game
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 9, 2009 11:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Losman isn't bad
I am sure he will try to go to a team where he has shot to start early in FA. If that doesn’t pan out I could see him taking a solid deal some where to be a back-up. From what I hear he wants to go to SF.
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on Feb 3, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah your probably right
but he could probablty push Romo if he were available. Wouldn’t it be kind of ironic if he did come here since he was the one that bumped Bledsoe? I always thought that what hurt him in Buffalo was they started him before he was ready.
by texstar on Feb 3, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no way he could push Romo
Losman will never be a starting qb in the NFL, simply not good enough.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 3, 2009 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no
not at all. Hes incapable of pushing romo. Hes a decent backup or maybe a starter for one of the teams looking for a veteran to start while they groom a rookie, but I’d be utterly shocked if he develops into a decent qb in this league.
by foyesboys on Feb 3, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no one we get will push romo...
romo is a top tier qb in the league…
unless we draft a guy or pick up a ufa… like matt moore who put on a performance in the preseason… but even then, thats hardly pushing romo… he knows hes the man in dallas… and he has nothing to worry about… he’s sitting at home laughing right now, bangin out j simp, just waiting for next season… the dude has skills… he just needs to limit his spur of the moment stuff( which would be extremely cut down if we can sure up our o line)… he’ll look that stuff over this off season and i guarentee we see improvements in romo’s game
by CowboysFan4Life on Feb 3, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I had this conversation yesterday with a friend
hes a bills fan and absolutely despises Losman….the guy was terrible in replacement of edwards at the end of the year and had a comical loss to the jets that was pretty much on his shoulders.
I personally think hes a good enough backup to warrant looking into, but some team till probably make the mistake of making him their starter. Other guys i see in these posts that i like are batch, mccown and ramsey. I actually would love mccown, I’ve always thought that he has some potential, and if romo got hurt i wouldn’t feel awful with him starting. Better than Brooks.
by foyesboys on Feb 3, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know a lot about any of these guys
but sometimes you just wonder if they have potential in another system. IMO Losman was thrown in to early in place of Bledsoe. I don’t remember was Jauron the coach? Jauron never liked him. I’m not defending him but he was pretty mobile in college and has a pretty good arm if he were developed correctly. McCown or Ramsey might do pretty good as well. What’s kind of ironic is Ramsey and Losman both played for Tulane.
by texstar on Feb 3, 2009 12:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Losman pretty much a gunslinger
like Romo? I wouldn’t be upset if Dallas picked him up, though. I’m on the ANYONE BUT BRAD JOHNSON bandwagon.
by illcowboy on Feb 3, 2009 9:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes he is if I can remember right
that’s why I thought he might be good sort of the same style if he is not too wild with the ball.
by texstar on Feb 3, 2009 10:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Canty's agent wants to get him Tommy Kelly's deal and Canty is not worth that much,
they were in talks last offseason to try and work out a deal but the asking price at that time was too high for dallas. So it’s not that JJ did not want to try and sign canty, but the fact that they already know what canty is looking for and they do not want to pay him that much. So they will let canty test the waters and take it from there. I could see Igor maybe coming over because he knows WP system. I do not know much about the other players so thanks for the info and we will see how it all shakes out.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Feb 3, 2009 12:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Tommy Kelly isn't worth that much.
by Mandmeisterx on Feb 3, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, but when you have the crazy Al factor, no signing bonus or insane contract is too high.
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by cowboy78 on Feb 3, 2009 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Other possible backup QB's
Billy Volek – SD
He’s not a FA, but SD might be willing to part ways with him for a 7th round pick since they have Whitehurst also on the roster.
Chris Simms – TEN
I still think he can be a good backup, he’ll fully recovered now, and TEN has Collins and VY so he’s expendable (unless they are not sure about Young ever being able to take over)
Alex Smith – SF
He might be cut at some point and would make an interesting backup candidate. He thrived under Norv Turner, maybe Garrett can have a similar effect.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Feb 3, 2009 4:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
possibly Chris Simms
haven’t seen much of Alex Smith. Is he very mobile?
by texstar on Feb 3, 2009 5:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's a pocker passer
I wouldn’t characterize him as very mobile, but he can scramble if he needs to, similar to Simms. He’s had the worst o-lines and gone through 3 different OC’s so he needs to be rehabilitated. But he was a #1 overall pick in 2005 (?), so there might be a diamond in the rough there.
Just thinking outside the box on Volek and Smith. Simms is already being linked to Dallas again.
Any of them would be better than Brad or Brooks.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Feb 3, 2009 7:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Alex Smith is a statue.
He makes poor decisions and just takes sacks, sacks, sacks. Sure, he’s an upgrade over Brad, but I wouldn’t hope for a diamond with Smith.
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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 3, 2009 8:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot about Billy Volek
He always seems to provide a spark off of the bench.
by illcowboy on Feb 3, 2009 9:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How old is though
Wasn’t he the one that came in for Rivers and beat the Colts in the playoffs?
by texstar on Feb 3, 2009 10:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes, Volek is a top back up
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 4, 2009 8:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
Good veteran guy who can win a big game in a pinch.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 9, 2009 9:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually did a whole writeup last offseason
about us getting Alex Smith as a backup QB. I think the kid has a lot of potential if he ever had a good position to be in.
by Mandmeisterx on Feb 4, 2009 6:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
never had the talent around him and has proven with good coaching he can play in the Nfl
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on Feb 4, 2009 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he can hang around like Carr has.
He just reminds me of a Bledsoe type (in his no confidence years). That’s pretty shaky ground for a backup.
Just so frustrating to watch; I think I’d rather go after JTOsullivan.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 9, 2009 9:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why is Canty so highly regarded?
The guy would disappear for games at a time. He had a half dozen good run stops (and certainly let us know it was him by the ridiculous victory dances), but gets no pressure on the QB and I never once saw him defeat a double team. Whoever gets Canty for stoopid money will be sorely disappointed.
by GhostofGaryHogeboom on Feb 4, 2009 7:39 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he is
it’s his agent trying to get more money. If the Cowboys were so high on him I don’t think they would let him test the free-agent market first like it was announced yesterday. Same with Burnett.
by texstar on Feb 4, 2009 9:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I just got a text from my friend that says
“Larry Johnson going to Dallas.”
This boggles me. I don’t know why he would be a match for a team that has no need for RBs. Maybe someone’s pulling my leg?
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 4, 2009 5:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Aha!
Larry’s probably just using Big D’s name to drive up some interest.
Asked where he’d like to go, he said either the Cowboys or somewhere on the East Coast.
“My mom’s a big Dallas Cowboys fan, that’s always been a big option of mine.”
No more big name losers, PLEASE!
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 4, 2009 5:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For real
Larry Johnson’s good and all, but I wouldn’t take him over the awesome combo of Barber, Jones, and Choice.
by the red scare on Feb 4, 2009 7:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't take him
even if we didn’t have any of those 3 guys. We have enough problem players as is.
by foyesboys on Feb 9, 2009 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
RB is way way way down the list
And LJ is on his last legs – be Eddie George mark 2
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by BoyfromOz on Feb 5, 2009 7:14 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
JIIIIIIIIIM LEONHARDDDD PLEASE!!!
by AikmanNailedMySis on Feb 6, 2009 10:19 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1000
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 6, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1001
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 6, 2009 5:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How good is Leonard really though?
He plays next to Ed Reed on a defense with a lot of other really good players.
by houseofprime on Feb 7, 2009 3:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's good enough to be constantly around the ball
and get return duties on a consistent basis. The dude’s no slouch.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 7, 2009 11:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would argue that he's better than you'd think for that very reason
When you play with a lot of big name guys like Baltimore has, the really good players get completely overshadowed by the potential HOF players.
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
by BigDinSC on Feb 8, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True.
For some reason, I watched a lot of Baltimore games this year and Leonard just kept showing up. If I played in the NFL, I’d want what that guy was having!
Hopefully, the Ravens will spend too much on their backers so we can use Jim to retool our safety position.
One in FA and one or two in the draft. Watkins, watch out!
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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 9, 2009 9:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He did do well, is an overacheiver, and very undersized..
Saying all that…He’s got great character and I would be very interested in signing him….nothing outrageous though, 2-3 million per….he’s a borderline starter, who wouldn’t have even been the starter there if not injury to Landry…He reminds me so much of Bill Bates…plus he’s a viable Punt Returner…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 7, 2009 3:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He reminds me sort of like a Bill Bates
over-achiever typed,hard hitter team guy
by texstar on Feb 7, 2009 4:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Tampa Bay's McCown re-signed..
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on Feb 9, 2009 3:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I saw that too.
Also, DMN says that the Cowboys like Bollinger. Please tell me this isn’t so? He’s terrible.
by texstar on Feb 9, 2009 3:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
he could turn into a solid career backup.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 9, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
tough to know with Bollinger he should have started the STL game.
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on Feb 9, 2009 5:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You would think if he had shown anything he would have been starting before Brad right?
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 9, 2009 11:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just looked up his stats on NFL.com
His QB Rating is anywhere from 66 to 77. Not very good if you ask me.
by texstar on Feb 9, 2009 11:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He may not be terrible.
I say keep him around through preseason; let’s see what the lil guy can do.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 9, 2009 10:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's Garrett for ya...He had a sub par game, just like Brad and Bollinger, and wants to win with his likeness.
Anyone who thinks Bollinger is good doesn’t know talent what so ever. I do not see us picking up a free agent QB, as noted, they’ll probably resign Bollinger..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 9, 2009 4:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
He’s better than Johnson and should get better with another year in Garrett’s offense. He showed me a lot more in one qtr against GMen than Johnson did in 3 games as the starter.
He’s not that good, but good enough if Romo goes down again.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 9, 2009 4:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bollinger
I will be really disappointed if he’s the vet backup Dallas rolls with next season.
I never understood why they picked him off the scrap heap to begin with. (Until I found out that Brad Johnson had lobbied for/endorsed him, and Garrett thinks a lot of Brad.)
I hope they still bring another vet (a guy with a little better resume) to compete in camp if they re-sign BB.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 9, 2009 4:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Agree with you Star
if Tony gets hurt again and all we have is Bollinger, we are in deep trouble. There’s a reason he fell to 3rd string QB at Minnesota behind Tavaris Jackson (who I’m not impressed with) and Ferotte.
by texstar on Feb 9, 2009 4:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Brad Johnson
probably wanted Bollinger because he knew that he wasn’t any better than himself. In other words, no real competition.
by texstar on Feb 9, 2009 5:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Would you prefer Simms or Bollinger?
Can we sign Gray and have a open competition?
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on Feb 9, 2009 5:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Plus Simms did play with Garrison
in Tampa.
by texstar on Feb 9, 2009 5:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Simms, by far
He’s at least as good right now, and has more upside than Bollinger. Bring those guys to camp and see who wins out.
The only advantage Bollinger has is that he probably has the playbook down by now.
I was on the Quinn Gray bandwagon, but I don’t think any team signed him last season, so I have to think 32 coaching staffs know more than me.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 9, 2009 5:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what happened to the Simms rumor?
Just a rumor?
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on Feb 9, 2009 6:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One thing that Simms does bring is a rocket for an arm
don’t remember about his mobility?
by texstar on Feb 9, 2009 6:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So far just rumor and speculation on Simms
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by APerfectStar on Feb 9, 2009 6:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Dallas is sold on Bollinger
than only 31 coaching staffs know more about Gray than you.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 9, 2009 10:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I still like Gray too.
He’s the real mighty quinn!
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 9, 2009 10:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Detroit releases Safety - Dwight Smith
I recall rumbling back when he was a on the market that Dallas was interested in him at some point…He’s better or no worse than Roy, and better than Davis and Watkins…I say we get this guy in on the cheap…offer a 1 year vet minimum, and see how he works in camp…He didn’t exactly light it up in Detroit, but had successful campaigns in Minny and Tampa…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 9, 2009 9:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
CB Leigh Bodden, Sam Madison, S Sammy Knight cut
Now, I don’t know what Detroit would be thinking about releasing Bodden (salary issue probably), but when he was with the Browns he was a darn good corner.
We may be heavy at the CB position, but with Henry moving (please just do it for crying out loud!) to S and the amount of injuries that can effect that position any given year, Bodden would be a super solid vet that could be picked up on the cheap. I would assume Cleveland would try to get him back, which could drive his price up but he would be a great insurance policy should either of our young guns hit a sophomore slump.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 9, 2009 11:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 9, 2009 11:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he won't come cheap....expect him to sign a 7+ million per contract sometime in the next month or so...
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 10, 2009 12:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Bodden is a good physical corner, he had a down year with the Lions, but some felt he wasn’t a good fit in the Tampa-2 scheme, others felt it was because he was playing for the Lions. (zing)
I think Marvin Lewis said he was glad Bodden was leaving CLE last season because they wouldn’t have to face him twice a year. That’s high praise from a man who knows defensive talent.
He’ll get a nice deal somewhere, it definitely won’t be cheap.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 10, 2009 12:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How about Madison?
Think he may come cheaper than Bodden? We need a guy who will sign a 3 year contract or less. Dunno that Madison would do so, but a vet that could and come in to help out in a pinch may be a need.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 10, 2009 1:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Darn
I was thinking he could be around 3 million. Guess I forgot how much a decent corner is worth. With Newman often injured and our only real experience at that spot, I don’t see it extremely deep any more. No more Pac. One of the rookies may have to start with Henry at least hybriding it.
Scandrick will push to move up. Let’s draft a CB/KR/PR if we don’t get a vet CB if free agency.
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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 10, 2009 1:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is what kills me...Pittsburgh's LB coach given permission to talk with Cards for DC position.
Why is Jerry Jones not interested in this dude becoming our DC ???
Jurecki also reported the Cards got permission to talk to Steelers LB coach Keith Butler about the Cards’ vacant defensive coordinator position</strong.
The guy would offer up a different perspective to the 3-4 and mixed with Wade’s game, they could form a super duo…ahhh…..i know it ain’t happenin….just my two cents..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 10, 2009 8:31 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
obviously because Wade has no interest in him
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 10, 2009 9:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully
we’re not asking Wade his thoughts on anything
by cow_fanatic on Feb 10, 2009 8:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I think Terry may be on to something.
Seems if Jerry Jones is sticking with Wade, he’s gonna let him call the shots. After all, it was Wade’s idea to bring in Reeves. Didn’t happen, but I think Jerry is open right now to righting this ship.
Dinner at Jerry’s? Sure!
Let’s discuss how we want to enter the new stadium.
Without a bunch of drama, but still a bunch of show and a great cast of coaches to boot.
It’s gonna happen.
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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 11, 2009 3:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He has a history with Ken Whisenhut from his PIT OC days
The Cards probably had a request in to interview the guy as soon as the SB was over. I’m sure he would rather be the outright DC in AZ than having to serve as Wade’s assistant.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 10, 2009 6:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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