Canty Still A Cowboys Priority & Other Random News
by Rafael Vela on Feb 20, 2009 12:29 PM CST
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PrintUpdate: kffl.com (no link) lists Dallas as one team that spoke to LSU WR Demetrius Byrd at the combine. Look at his profile -- it fits the one I outlined a few days ago. He's in the 6'3", 200 lb. range, has speed and needs work on his route running and blocking. That's not surprising, because he's rated as a mid-round prospect, about where the Cowboys will begin looking for wideouts.
Update II: Add QBs Nate Davis (Ball St.) and Rudy Carpenter (Arizona St.) to the interviewees list. Both rate as mid or late round selections.
Update III: Here's one to raise your eyebrows: the Cowboys have interviewed OU WR Juaquin Iglesias, who rates as a solid 2nd round pick.
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The FWST's Mac Engel writes that Dallas brass will meet with DE Chris Canty's agent this weekend in an attempt to hammer out a deal to keep Canty with the team.
The time to act is now. Teams drained the free agent pool by tagging fourteen players yesterday. The talent line dropped further after late deals for Jordan Gross and Nnamdi Asomugha, two of the biggest FA targets (the Eagles and Redskins are apparently upset that Gross didn't hit the market).
These moves move second tier players like Canty up on the free agent menu. The Cowboys will never get better terms then they can now, even if the price will be steep. They're rumored to like LSU DE Tyson Jackson but his draft stock may put him beyond Dallas' reach. I've seen him go anywhere from 17 to 40 in the most recent mocks.
-- kffl.com reports that Cowboys officials spoke to Oklahoma OT Phil Loadholt. The team will speak to dozens of players, but consider him a definite player of interest.
-- The linked story claims Jerry Jones has issued a gag order for team coaches. That's fine. Bill Parcells used to operate under these rules, to no apparent damage. Reporters hate it, but so what? If you can't report on what you see on the field, you need another job.
The gag goes beyond Parcells. Jimmy Johnson swore all organizational members to silence in pre-draft run ups. He figured his ability to get his targets was compromised if coaches or scouts leaked the Cowboys' preferences to the press.
I agree. The Cowboys did a good job of drafting last year. Every little step helps. Of course, its worth remembering that the biggest font of draft knowledge through the years has been one Jerry Jones. Got it, Jerry? Good.
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If anything leaks
then he only has himself to blame. But, he could be using it as a device to spread fictitious agendas to the other orgs.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
remember when the TV news cameras caught site of what appeared to be a draft board
last year
by AustonianAggie on Feb 20, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, and who was responsible for THAT leak?
I believe that was Mickey Spagnola’s camera crew.
I wonder if Mickey got a gag order slapped on his smug self?
The Dallas brass probably threw that out there as a smoke screen
knowing Mickey would jump on it.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 20, 2009 5:07 PM CST up reply actions
But Mickey works for the team
that had to be embarrassing. Inside info hits the net and its your
own guy who’s responsible.
Apparently
he’s a Chicago Bears fan.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 20, 2009 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
Cowboys #1 priority right now
should be signing Ware to an extension instead of Canty. Let Chris test the market, if some team over pays for him, then so be it.
We can’t afford not to have Ware locked up for the rest of his career or at least the majority of it.
In Romo we Trust
Sure...but...
No doubt Ware’s the top priority.
But Rafael is right that Canty can be had best right now. 3-4 DE’s are rare commodities and he’s a good one. Once on the open market, he’s gone and there’s no certainty that Olshansky or any draft pick worthy could be signed/drafted. Simply too many teams making the transition to the 3-4.
Res firma mitescere nescit
Also when you figure into the fact that a couple of teams are making the switch from 4-3 to 3-4
the chefs and the peckers.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
You now
owe my boss a keyboard and me a DR. Pecker. Oops I mean Pepper
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
You remember that old snickers commercial
where it has a guy who supposed to paint the cheifs name on their endzone and it shows the great care and detail he goes through to make sure he does a good job. You never see the field, you see the satisfaction on his face that the work looks good; and one of the players comes up to him and says, “looks great, but who are the chefs”. Great Googaly Moogaly is the old guys response.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
Yes, I remember
I live in Wichita KS, and I refer to them as the Chefs still today. Not that they could cook anything I would eat. I do refer to the packer fans as weeds heads in deference to That 70’s Show.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
I miss te budlight leon commercials, sometimes I still look them up on youtube
my favorite has to be the one where they interview him about losing his starting job and he responds with potential threats that the new rookie should be aware of and when the reporter asks how that would help the rookie; Leon laughs and says “help, I want my job back welcome to Leon’s NFL orientation101”.
I just love how the actor would say something completely selfish and selfcentered and finish with a smile directly to the camera.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
Sometime I worry that this is a team of Leons
aside from Witten and Ware. With the coach offering them herbal tea when their feelings are hurt.
by JimmyJohnson on Feb 20, 2009 5:44 PM CST up reply actions
+1
Sometime I worry that this is a team of Leons
You wouldn't have won if we'd beaten you.
- Yogi Berra
Terry, you’re aware that Ware is not a free agent until NEXT year, right?
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
of course I am
but if we spend too much money on FA this year, we won’t be able to lock him up next season.
In Romo we Trust
I'm starting to lean towards NOT extending Ware this year.
Why are we doing this again ???
Why aren’t we wating til after the upcoming season ???
Why aren’t we waiting to sign Ware next season with NO salary CAP ???
I say Ware waits, and we go hog wild in free agency and pick up Ray Lewis and Hayneworth !!!!
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 20, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
because
there is no guarantee that it will be an uncapped year. I would hate football if it was.
What the French?! Toast!
oh stop it....It was so much better without free agency and unlimited spending...
Teams change over 20% each year…there’s no loyalty, the players go where the money’s at…..parity smearity my azz…
EVEN if the were to be a CAP next season…we would be in plenty good shape as the cap figures have risen on average 13-16 million a season since it’s inception….
Ware can be franchised with no worry of losing him….I’ve been hearing this we gotta extend Ware nonsense for 2 seasons already….I say we shore up one big hole at NT, ILB, or S right now, and restructure the contracts of TO, Romo, Gurode, Davis, and Flo, and we’d have plenty of money to sign Ware during the season.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 20, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
disagree
you take the cap away and you’re back in the ‘80s, when Jack Kent Cooke and Ed Debartolo would use their non-football fortunes to fund their football operations. It’s no surprise they won 7 of the 10 Super Bowls that decade.
Jerry looks good now, but what you see how European soccer works? Russian oligarchs and Middle Easter oil families buy teams and spend everybody else off the field. And that’s what the NFL would become — again.
Jerry is only rich in the context of NFL generated revenue. You have some big time industrialists buying other teams and Dallas won’t be so high on the pecking order.
that's if you think teams will be sold to Sadia Arabian oil barens..which i don't...
i see a luxury tax being imposed like baseball and basketball, if anything….
I am just saying teams were better to watch, follow and root for before free agency….ya know…when players played their whole careers with one team.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 20, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
sure, but the '70s are long gone
free agency is here. The NFL players association was stupid enough to bargain it away TWICE but even they’re not stupid enough to go back. They’ve seen how free agency, even limited free agency, has changed the game for their benefit.
Nice vocabulary...
I haven’t seen “oligarchs” used in a sentence in 15 years.
by Boundforbeach on Feb 20, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
lol...I'm studying government in school, and had a test on that term monday...
never thought i’d here it in the real world..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 20, 2009 5:15 PM CST up reply actions
It's a reality of the world today, definately something to remember
especially in neoliberal post dictatorships — Venezuela, Mexico, Russia, Brazil. If you ever get out of the US or Western Europe you’re probably going to be in some functioning form of oligarchy.
by AustonianAggie on Feb 20, 2009 5:54 PM CST up reply actions
head spinning......need football term inserted............
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
show off
:^)
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by APerfectStar on Feb 20, 2009 10:05 PM CST up reply actions
I kinda agree with you......
couldn’t they go into the year and then decide at that point…(I’m talking about 2009 of course.)
yes tex....There is certainly no sense of urgency needed to do anything right now with Ware...
They can wait till training camp, restructure several over priced vets, and still have tons of money to sign Ware….
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 20, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
I am a little surprised
But i agree with you. Ware will get paid. But why not have him play out the last year. I don’t think Ware needs the extra motivation, but playing in the final year of a contract usually provides even more incentive to work hard.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
With me, it's not so much incentive for Ware to work harder
because I think he’s a great player. I just think it helps spread the money out a little more where you can resign some players. Am I understanding the cap right?
I'm sure
Jerry has had a talk with Ware, and his agent. Ware takes care of business on the field, and Jerry will take good care of his checking account.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
I have to say
It’s much more enjoyable than spending my own $$$
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by APerfectStar on Feb 20, 2009 10:06 PM CST up reply actions
Gotta admit...
…I love Marty B TV. And it seems all in good fun, not a locker room distraction.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Anybody got a reliable cap number for the Cowboys right now?
I’m curious as to where we currently stand in relation to the cap.
Last year, our payroll was $146MM (second only to the Raiders), but that’s not the same as Salary Cap Salary— some of that number doesn’t count towards the cap. Anyway, I don’t know what our 2009 number projects to be, and I’d be curious to see it.
This site breaks down the 2008 numbers (and any other year):
http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/teamdetail.aspx?year=2008&team=10
Couple interesting notes:
Our most expensive player last year from a cap hit standpoint was Roy L. Williams. This is NOT the same as being our highest paid player, but Roy had the highest cap figure because his old signing bonus is in its highest counting years. So our biggest cap figure in 2008 was Roy L. Williams. There’s a fact that’ll make you want to punch something.
TO, Anthony Henry, and Leonard Davis were second, third, and fourth in cap numbers. Any doubt that it’s certainly cheaper to draft your starters than to get them through free agency?
Demarcus Ware’s number is listed as $2MM and change for 2008. Montrae Holland made more than that. Ware is the NFL’s best bargain, bar none. That won’t last much longer, obviously.
The most expensive players overall list is less interesting, because it’s just all the guys who just signed their new contracts, so their signing bonuses are all paid this year but are spread out in salary cap terms over the length of their contract. Unless of course these players get cut (i.e. Terrell Owens), at which point the remainder of the signing bonus accelerates into that cap year, and gives you a very painful cap situation.
That said, our most highly compensated players in raw dollars last year were:
- Flozell Adams ($14MM)
- TO
- Tony Romo
- Terence Newman
- Marion Barber
- Ken Hamlin
- Leonard Davis
- Felix Jones (Felix Jones made DOUBLE the money last year that Demarcus Ware did!!!! Sorry, I still can’t get over it)
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
i always like reading the numbers they use to establish Franchise Player Tags
those will tell you a lot about valued positions. One thing I learned last year was that the 10th highest paid WR made as much as LT(2) the number 1 RB
by AustonianAggie on Feb 20, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
One thing kinda scary though....
is the ridiculous amount of money that Al Davis is throwing at punter, and CB. Unfortunately, it will drive up the FA market pricing the following year.
the last couple of years he's been doing that
him and Minnesotta keep uping salaries
by AustonianAggie on Feb 20, 2009 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, as they were saying on Sirius last night.....
the CB from the Raiders(I never can spell the guy’s name) is really good but because of crazy Al, he is ruining the FA market for CB’s,WR, and punters.
Nnamdi got paid, yeah...
…but he’s the NFL’s best CB. Is his contract really ruining the market? I think he got paid about what his market value was. If you want to gripe, consider that Oakland gave Deangelo Hall $70MM over 7 years last offseason. Nnamdi is the NFL’s best corner. Denagelo is poop. Which contract is a more egregious slip-up?
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
+1
way overpaid, but I like it because it was SF screwin the pooch.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 20, 2009 10:09 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, he's a great player but
the third year of his contract is unheard of. He is guaranteed around 15 Mil . If someone else gets a higher contract he is guaranteed that money. In other words, he will be the highest paid at his position. What people are saying is with these astronomical salaries, it is driving up the market for FA’s because they take an average of all Corners.
he won't reach that third year...
it will be restructured before then…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 20, 2009 5:17 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, you're right but
it’s still pretty unorthodox.
last figure I heard we were like12 million under the cap right now...
cut:
Roy
Henry
Ellis
Carp
Watkins
we’d be closer to 20 million+ under the cap.
Numba1
Isn’t Ellis in the last year of his deal? In that case, wouldn’t it make more sense to try
and trade him? He’s a part timer, but he still had 20 sacks the last two years. Somebody
will want him.
Same for Carpenter
Why cut guys in the final year of their deal unless they’re DRAMATICALLY overpaid. I’d keep all of those guys except Roy and Watkins.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
The only cut I would make is Roy
I would cut Henry only if we really needed the money for whatever reason. And Ellis is still a good pass rusher. Why would you cut him?
And Carp and Watkins are good backups that don’t cost us anything. What is you reasoning for cutting him?
cutting Carp and Watkins would make our Special Teams even worse
that would just be a really really dumb move and I’m glad your not the GM.
I'd cut Watkins on the Washington game alone.
Remember, he’s the idiot (twelve men on the field) that gave Wash. a first down. He made way too many mental errors.
and he can't tackle.
That little shoulder bump doesn’t cut it.
He was also injured last year
And you say he can’t tackle, yet he had the most special teams tackles of 2007. Sorry your logic doesn’t add up.
Ahh, quincyyyy
Man-crushing on Watkins for 3 years and going strong
In-YOUR-endo
by accidental innuendo on Feb 20, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
I don't have a man crush on the guy
I just think he is a good STer and backup. And this whole “cut ’em” thing is ridiculous when he doesn’t cost us anything and he fills a role on the team.
fills a role ??? speacial teams ?? umm...Who do you think is making room for the abundence of safety prospects that are coming into town in a few months here ???
I bet your the same guy that’s bitching for us to draft a Safety with our first pick too…huh ??
Why do you think we’re drafting a Safety ???
cuz Watkins sucks…that’s why..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 20, 2009 5:27 PM CST up reply actions
not according to all the experts here on line..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 20, 2009 5:32 PM CST up reply actions
Ooooooooh. That's a real bold bet there
The Cowboys 2nd pick is in the 3rd round.
Really going out on a limb there.
We may have 2 3rd and 4th rounders right?
Priority has to be NT, DL, OL before safety. I can really see us taking a OG or OT in the second round. NT or DE is the 3rd.
So we should kick everyone off the team who is not a starter
does that make any sense? Maybe we should kick Keith Davis off the team as well? How about you write the little nuggets of genius down and mail it to Wade, so he knows to cut everyone off the team who will never be a starter.
and he's allergic to the weight room. watkins is so freakin' weak, brittle, and fragile.
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why thank you. now let me go celebrate.
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by silverblue5 on Feb 21, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
He may not be allergic to the weight room
some people are just naturally skinny. I have never seen anywhere that says he has been lazy in the weight room, I have only read just the opposite. So I don’t know where you are getting your info from.
If he can't stay on the field...
He’s no use and only taking up a valuable spot. I agree, he’s cheap, but the recurring injuries will be the reason he’s cut, if tha’s what happens. Plus he has a spot usually filled by a rookie.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 20, 2009 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
+1 Any rookie we draft in the first few rounds is already better than Watkins
he’s played out his alloted time to show something…
next….
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 20, 2009 10:43 PM CST up reply actions
He did have a pretty bad year
And when you are known for leading on ST, you can’t afford to have that happen.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 20, 2009 11:02 PM CST up reply actions
He had a season long injury this year
the past two years before this year he was a great special teamer.
What recurring injurries?
he had one neck injury. And if someone beats him out in training camp fine, but why cut him now? That would be dumb.
ummm....open up some cap room to aquire a better SS maybe ???
sound like an idea ?? how bout one that returns punts too ???
Jim Leonhard > Pat Watkins…
which would you take ??
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 20, 2009 10:51 PM CST up reply actions
open up cap room?
Watkins salary is 530,000 this year. Do you guys understand this? If we cut him the gains we will see in the cap would be marginal. You don’t need to cut Watkins to sign Leonard. They can both fight for a spot on the roster in TC if you would like.
Unfortunately, it the nature of the business.
Think about it, if you are trying to free up money to sign someone else, you have to make cuts somewhere. Maybe 530k doesn’t sound like much but multiply that over your whole roster and it adds up. BTW, I’ll take the 530k if nobody wants it since it’s just chump change.
Yes, the neck injury was recurring
I always liked Watkins, but at this point in his career, I thought he’d be more. I don’t mind letting him compete in camp, but if the Cowboys are wanting to create some cap room, he might be on the chopping block. I would defer to the coaching staff’s evaluation on that.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 20, 2009 10:59 PM CST up reply actions
Yep...
He’s a good ST, but it’s obvious he can’t even compete for a starting job anymore.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Feb 20, 2009 11:04 PM CST up reply actions
Keith Davis
Is a really good special teams player.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Feb 20, 2009 11:07 PM CST up reply actions
No...
not so much
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Feb 20, 2009 11:09 PM CST up reply actions
Oh I guess why that is why Watkins
led the team in Special teams tackles in ’07 and not Keith Davis. Yeah Watkins is a really shetty special teams player. What was I thinking.
You're starting to creep me out.
Are you related to him?
Dude...
is Pat Watkins your brother or something?
I could care less one way or another, but you’re kind of gay for him.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Feb 20, 2009 11:11 PM CST up reply actions
No I am obviously not "gay" for him
because I don’t think he’ll ever be a starting safety, but I think these calls for him being cut is moronic, because he is a good backup and a good special teams player and he cost us relatively nothing.
ha-ha-ha. never thought that. but it does seem like you're his agent.
might there be some financial interest in this for you, Q? are U part of his representation or something?
what’s your cut?
heh-heh-heh. just playing around, man.
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I don't recall him having a neck injury before this year
care to post some links to shed some light on this mysterious recurring injury?
He was injured off and on all season
Until he went on IR.
I’m sure you know all this because you seem to be his #1 fan.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 20, 2009 11:11 PM CST up reply actions
It was the same injury
it wasn’t many injuries. He played through the injury all season until he got put on IR. Apparently the coaching staff thought he was valuable enough even with an injury to play him.
dude....take this from a guy who has broken his neck and has had fusion surgery...
it’s not fun guy, and the risk to even think of taking another direct hit makes me cringe….Michael Irvin had the same injury that Watkins had….what did he do ?
retired…time for big bird to hang up the cleats…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 20, 2009 11:15 PM CST up reply actions
Well you obvioulsy have extensive expertise
in athletic medicine. Maybe you should educate the Cowboys medical and training staff, because apparently they don’t realize this, cuz Watkins is expected to be on the training camp roster this upcoming season.
is he ?
and you have insider info your sharing with us ??
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 20, 2009 11:18 PM CST up reply actions
Well I have read or heard shat about
Watkins being cut in the off season, but I guess we’ll see who is right. My life savings on Watkins showing up for training camp in July.
OK Quincyyy
You seem to be going a bit overboard for a backup safety with a talent for ST. I don’t get it, but what ever.
I never said he had multiple different injuries, he injured his neck and shoulder multiple times (same spot) does that make you feel better?
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by APerfectStar on Feb 20, 2009 11:16 PM CST up reply actions
I don't recall him having those injuries before this season
pleas post a link. All I’m aware of is that neck injury he had all season long.
That's what I said
Post the link where I said he’s been injured multiple seasons.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 20, 2009 11:19 PM CST up reply actions
Patrick, Is that you ??
sez Patrick’s Mom…..go to your room Patrick
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 20, 2009 11:11 PM CST up reply actions
No I just think you people are being stupid
Cutting him now would be retarded. If we draft a person who can beat him out for a roster spot in Training Camp fine. But what do you gain by cutting him now?
Davis is a FA, and i don't want him back either...
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 20, 2009 11:11 PM CST up reply actions
Well he is one of our best special teams
and special teams killed us last year. We need good special teams players.
apparently....
he wasn’t that great if special teams sucked so bad.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Feb 20, 2009 11:16 PM CST up reply actions
no...we needed a good ST coach...and now we have one...
I can rattle off the names of 25 Cowboys that would excel in special teams, and that’s not counting the several rookies, and free agents we’re about to aquire…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 20, 2009 11:17 PM CST up reply actions
+1
Bruce Read stunk.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 20, 2009 11:17 PM CST up reply actions
You know what?
There is a problem when there are multiple posts on the fate of Pat Watkins on here.
I mean really…
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Feb 20, 2009 11:19 PM CST up reply actions
LMAO!!!
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our coaches apparently don't think so
because they brought him back last year, specifically for that reason. But you guys apparently know so much more about our team than the coaches do.
Jesus...
Dude… are you seriously getting worked up about Pat Watkins?
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Feb 20, 2009 11:21 PM CST up reply actions
No I just think it is moronic to cut him now
before training camp. How does that help the team at all? What if the guy who replaces him on the roster sucks even more, then you just cut yourself a good ST player.
Maybe...
but of the billion issues that dalla faces… I have to say the fate of Pat Watkins could mean less to me.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Feb 20, 2009 11:27 PM CST up reply actions
Here goes nothing
Mike Jenkins
Orlando Scandrick
Alan Ball
Trae Battle
Courtney Brown
Carlos Polk
Justin Rodgers
Steve Octavien
Stephen Bowen
Jason Hatcher
Anthony Spencer
Montrae Holland
Kyle Kosier
JP Ladecuer
Isaiah Stanback
Miles Austin
Felix Jones
Tashard Choice
Tony Curtis
Deon Anderson
Marty Bennett
Doug Free
Pat McQuistan
ok….there you have it….plenty of guys to take over the mere special duties you insist we need Watkins to manage….I got news for ya…these 23 guys are more than capable of handling their assignments….and this doesn’t even count the half dozen or so rookies that should make the squad….how do they make the squad ?..they best well be able to play special teams…..
next…..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 20, 2009 11:39 PM CST up reply actions
Why are you so afraid of of Watkins competing in TC?
If he is so bad coaches will cut him in TRAINING CAMP.
my initial reply was we needed to free ourselves of deadwood, and use their money towards obtaining better players in free agency...
his 600,000 would go a long way towards reaching our goal of finding a LB, S, OL, or DL in free agency…
as would:
Carps 2.5 million
Ellis’s 6,000,000
Henry’s 6,000,000
Roy’s 7,000,000
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 21, 2009 12:06 AM CST up reply actions
Let's put it another way.....
It’s called addition by subtraction.
OK....Gibril Wilson - Safety was just released by the Oakland Raiders...
see…now Watkins money would go a long way towards signing a much better Safety like Gibril Wilson…..
get it done.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 21, 2009 12:14 AM CST up reply actions
Do you have an extra 500,000
laying around to waste? Plus you want to resign/restructure better guys?
hey numbskull
you do realize there are linemen that play on punt teams, punt return teams, kickoff return teams, field goal teams, and extra point teams…don’t ya ?
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 20, 2009 11:55 PM CST up reply actions
LOL
I’m out.
I think Quincyyy might have the only Pat Watkins Fathead ever made.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 20, 2009 11:21 PM CST up reply actions
lol Tom....
I was thinking he was the only guy on the planet with an authentic Watkins jersey..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 20, 2009 11:29 PM CST up reply actions
That's a stupid reason to cut him
He was the special teams standout of 2007 and has been doing fine in the nickel/dime packages
So you just want to keep him for special teams
because I’m looking for a good safety. The whiffs that I’m mainly talking about are as a safety. Sorry, not impressed with him.
well I guess we'll see if he gets beaten out for a roster spot then huh?
And like I said what reason would you have to cut him? He counts nothing against the cap. You might as well bring him to Training Camp. I mean it makes no logical sense to cut him right now. Could one of you please explain to me why we should cut him now?
Sorry, man didn't mean to upset ya but
what do you mean “he doesn’t count against the salary cap?” Everybody does or does he play for free?
He had near career threatening neck injury, and he can't stay healthy enough to get on the field...
’07 was 2 seasons ago guy…just like Carps best moment was over 3 seasons ago….and we still hear about it….they are a waste of cap space…
next…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 20, 2009 5:23 PM CST up reply actions
He was also a good STer in '06
so because someone has a SEASON threatening injury (I never saw anywhere that it was career threatening, where are you getting this from?) we should cut them the next year when he is healthy, before training camp? That is retarded. At least wait and see if someone beats him out for a spot on the roster. Thank god you are not the coach or GM, cuz that would be an awful idea.
ok, first off, I don't waste 3 million dollars on two speacial teams players..
questionable if they’re even good at that…one’s a puzzy and the others a china doll with a tweaked neck…….
next….
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 20, 2009 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
China doll? cuz he had one injury?
That is the stupidest thing I ever heard. And where do you get this 3 million dollar figure from? he counts 530,000 against the cap, get your facts straight. You guys are ridiculous.
Wade Gagged??
Raf.. that article suggests that Wade has been silenced as well. Isn’t that overkill? Like you said, the Tuna and JJ gagged their assistants, but they, as head coaches, could obviously talk. But apparently Wade cannot because its “Against the rules…” Is he being tongue in cheek, or has he really but told to zip it as well… Maybe Jerry considers him more the DC than head coach. Strange.
Wade probably asked to be included in the gag
if he never had to speak to the press again he would be ecstatic.
+1 Raf....Wade sure doesn't go looking for the cameras
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 20, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
+1
I thought he was just using it as an excuse to duck out of interviews. Not a bad idea.
I thought it was an exuse too, maybe even a joke to the reporter
what wade said was for sure all we know. Matt Mosely’s opinion after that is just clutter
by AustonianAggie on Feb 20, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
Yep Wade
is probably delighted to not have to talk to the vermin in the sports press. He’s likely begging Jerry to extend the gag into the season.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
or wade is Jerry's puppet
not saying that is what I think, but it is a reasonable alternative to worry about. Hopefully that is not the case.
No doubt there will be no gag
when the ESPN cameras show up on draft day. My favorite part is when Jerry notices he’s on camera and picks up the phone to look busy. I bet Pizza Hut gets tired of those draft day calls.
by mike@firegmjerry.com on Feb 20, 2009 2:27 PM CST reply actions
You mean Papa Johns......
Just kidding but he owns Papa Johns not Pizza Hut.-lol
Sponsor deal
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
He doesn't own them
They paid $$ to become the “Official Pizza of the Dallas Cowboys”, just like Pepsi, and Miller Lite.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 20, 2009 10:20 PM CST up reply actions
Just checked online and Jerry is part of a venture
group that owns the Papa Johns Franchise in the Metroplex.
I stand corrected
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by APerfectStar on Feb 20, 2009 10:35 PM CST up reply actions
No big deal...
I always know trivial things that mean absolutely nothing. If I could put some of this to good use maybe I’d be the millionaire like Jerry. hahahahaha
I hear ya
I am a fountain of useless knowledge myself.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 20, 2009 10:51 PM CST up reply actions
PapaJohn's Stadium?
NOOOO0000oooooooooo!
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 20, 2009 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
How about Papa Jerry's Stadium?
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by APerfectStar on Feb 20, 2009 10:21 PM CST up reply actions
Please sign Ware
Ware has to be #1 priority this year.If he goes out and hits 20 sack again he’ll be worth even more $
As in...
“it’ll happen, he’ll get 20 sacks and be worth more” or “they’ll take care of him?” i hope you mean the latter.
Save Jerry from himself at firegmjerry.com
by mike@firegmjerry.com on Feb 20, 2009 2:32 PM CST reply actions
Yes. There is no way in God's green earth Ware won't be a long term Cowboy
I don’t even think its debatable
by Boundforbeach on Feb 20, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
From your mouth
To God’s ears
In-YOUR-endo
by accidental innuendo on Feb 20, 2009 4:28 PM CST up reply actions
I hope he gets 20 sacks again as well
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
I think a gag order should be put on from this point forward on all cowboys.Stop giving the media interviews period.Just get to work and let the play on the field speak for its self.If we have to have someone speak during the season,i say let it be Mcbrair,witten,and anyone else that ESPN woundn’t want. I’m sorry i meant “When” Ware gets 20 or more sacks
New Mock:
2. William Moore, FS, Missouri
3. Ricky Jean-Francois, DE, LSU
4. Trevor Canfield, OG, Cincinnati
4. Emanuel Cook, SS, South Carolina
5. Joel Bell, OT, Furman
5. Worrell Williams, ILB, California
6. Jahi Word-Daniels, CB, Georgia Tech
7. Ra’Shon Harris, DE, Oregon
7. Garrett Reynolds, OT, North Carolina
i wouldnt even bother doing a mock draft
there is no way Jerry Jones stays put at all the positions. Id venture to say that only 3 of the draft spots will be the same
What the French?! Toast!
shakes head
I don’t like any of these guys in the high rounds.
I can't bitch about Moore (i'd love it) mock 2nd rounder Canfield - OG would be a STEAL in round 4....
but there is no chance he gets that far….
Ricky Jean-Francois wouldn’t get picked that high even if he was in the new UFL draft…..he’s 5th round at best….
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 20, 2009 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
+1
I don’t like any mock unless it has either Frantz Joseph, Lee Robinson, or Scott McKillop as our ILB.
Worrell Williams would be a decent grab
but I think he’ll go higher than the 5th round.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 20, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
I like him too
He’s a little underrated, so maybe he’ll be there in the 5th.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 20, 2009 10:23 PM CST up reply actions
Foreskins just released Marcus Washington...
Any interest, assuming he’s healthy this year? Can probably get him cheap…
I'd rather resign Burnett and stick him in there.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 20, 2009 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
Honestly, what could be wrong with Jerry issuing a gag order?
Is there anything this organization needs to do more than just shut up?
TELL MITCH ALBOM THAT IF HE'S GOT A PROBLEM WITH BLOGGERS, THEN HE CAN COME SEE ME IN THE OCTAGON.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 20, 2009 4:11 PM CST reply actions
LOLlipops!!
Can’t hardly understand what the man says anyway.
In-YOUR-endo
by accidental innuendo on Feb 20, 2009 4:29 PM CST up reply actions
+1 i have been hollaring for a gag order for weeks now....
maybe Jerry reads this blog ???
lmao
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 20, 2009 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
Byrd's bio
says “Big Upside”. LSU Tigers make pretty good Cowboys. Any inclination they trade some of those later picks to move up to grab Jackson?
Canty may drive a high price at midnight of the 28th.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
I like Byrd....
He would definitly be a better pick then other LSU Tiger Skylar Green.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
We have drafted numerous Tigers over the past few years and besides James
they all become disappointments. If we draft Tyson Jackson (Spears clone) or Byrd I will throw a fit. I’m putting my foot down… NO MORE TIGERS!
By numerous you mean....
5?
LSU has put out some good players over the past decade, just because there’s been a few busts(which there is at every school), I think it would be crazy to just not draft from the school.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
You could even say the same thing about Ohio State
as well but we won’t go there. Every school has their share of busts. Even with all the studs out of USC in the last few years, I would venture to say they have under-achieved compared to their college stats among them Matt Leinert, Mike Williams,LenDale White and even Reggie Bush. I’m not saying they aren’t good, but they haven’t lived up to super-star status like they were made out to be.
Exactly.
We’re on the same page for sure.
Big schools will always have that, they put so many guys into the draft and there is no way all of them can be great.
… although Miami seemed like it did nothing but produce superstars for about three years there.
That however is a huge exception.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
Agreed and it's ridiculous
how many really good corner,safeties, and LB’s have come out of the U Miami. I still can’t believe they got rid of Coker. He put out some unbelievable talent over the years.
Of course there were a few thugs along the way
but that’s besides the point though-LOL
I know why they got rid of Coker....
Most of those beasts that he won a national championship with were recruited by Butch Davis.
Coker is a good guy but the program constantly got worse after the big national championship run.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
Yeah, you're right Butch Davis was the man that recruited all
those wonderful Defensive players. Unfortunately, Coker had too many thugs on his team which eventually cost him his job.
About Byrd and Jackson
As someone who has watched a lot of LSU football over the last several years, I think Byrd can be very productive at the pro level. Last season, he did not put up the numbers you’d expect from a player with his skillset because LSU was left without a QB able to get the ball downfield after Perilloux got kicked off the team. I agree with some of the other posts about Tyson Jackson. He’s got bust written all over him. For the value, I’d rather have Ricky Jean-Francois or even Marlon Favorite later in the draft.
"A team is where a boy can prove his courage on his own. A gang is where a coward goes to hide." -- Mickey Mantle
by JD McCubbie on Feb 20, 2009 11:08 PM CST up reply actions
pass on all LSU players....besides their FB
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 20, 2009 11:12 PM CST up reply actions
You have to be...
being sarcastic right?
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Feb 20, 2009 11:14 PM CST up reply actions
So why are looking to resign Canty again?
He couldn’t even come up with a big year in his contract year, why would he start to play well after getting a big payday.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
Good question
But it worked for Flozell (not last year, the previous contract)
by StillHateTheGiants on Feb 20, 2009 8:15 PM CST up reply actions
Believe it or not
Spears had a better year than people realize. He was pretty solid.
I'm not quite ready to give up on him yet.
I may be just overly optimistic but one can hope can’t we? If he has a really good 2009 we could still resign him
I think he had a realllllly
good second half of the season.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
I like most of what I read about Byrd.
It did say he wasn’t very smart though. He definetely fits the mold of a Cowboys WR though. He has similar traits to T.O., RW2 and Austin.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
Just a wild theory but this leads me
to think that they try to get a couple of picks for Austin and let him walk. Then they pick up Byrd to groom like they did with Austin. Just a thought
You mean the not very smart part?
by StillHateTheGiants on Feb 20, 2009 8:21 PM CST up reply actions
Isn't Hurd being gone pretty much a certainty?
by StillHateTheGiants on Feb 20, 2009 8:23 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, so either they are just trying to get someone in Hurd's place
or since Austin is a RFA get something in return for him. I’m just guessing.
we're all set at WR...we won't even be looking WR.....
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 20, 2009 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
How many WR are there on the team?
I’m sure that at least 1 will be brought in through the draft, especially if we end up with 9 picks or so.
Let's see...
TO,Roy,Crayton,Austin,Hurd,Stanbeck. Of those Hurd is an UFA and Austin is a RFA. We probably will lose Hurd and maybe Austin
yes.....Austin stays, and Hurd goes......and more than likely we'll carry 5, but
If we are in need of a 6th, I think the best option out there is Kelly Washington, who was just recently cut from New England, as I was hopeful of getting him last year…He’s got good receiving skills, and was probably NE’s best gunner on special teams….better than Hurd..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 21, 2009 12:00 AM CST up reply actions
Now, tell me which of those are going to be here after this season
And then tell me we wont take a WR in the draft.
The only certainty is Roy Williams
Because of his contract. Any of the rest of them could be gone. Hurd almost certainly, Austin or TO maybe, Crayton probably not but possible.
by StillHateTheGiants on Feb 21, 2009 8:42 AM CST up reply actions
Haha yeah.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Feb 20, 2009 8:25 PM CST up reply actions
I'm really interested to watch Michael Johnson at the combine.
Guy is a stud athlete and should light up the drills. I would be very interested to know what the Cowboys think of him. I think he could potentially be a really good OLB in a 3-4.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
He also...
Might have two of the most common names ever.
What does that mean as far as the draft goes?
Absolutely nothing, but I’m sure Mel Kper can analyze it anyways.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
You know who I think is a good #2 WR for someone to pickup...
Ronald Curry… not for Dallas, but for a team like Atlanta or Tampa Bay.
He never had huge years but he was playing in pass stupid Oakland.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
If the Cowboys look for a wideout in free agency
Reggie Williams would be a good target. Big strong athletic guy. I think he could still be a pretty good receiver.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
Eh...
I’m not sure he’s much better then Austin.
He’s big, but not sure about the athletic part.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
Kalimba Edwards just hit the cutting room floor.
Would make a little sense at the right price.
TELL MITCH ALBOM THAT IF HE'S GOT A PROBLEM WITH BLOGGERS, THEN HE CAN COME SEE ME IN THE OCTAGON.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 20, 2009 9:53 PM CST reply actions
I would be pretty hesistant to sign a guy the Raiders cut.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Feb 20, 2009 10:11 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, but they dont know what the hell they are doing over there
Any team that gives $40+ million to Javon Walker has talent evaluation issues.
TELL MITCH ALBOM THAT IF HE'S GOT A PROBLEM WITH BLOGGERS, THEN HE CAN COME SEE ME IN THE OCTAGON.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 20, 2009 10:52 PM CST up reply actions
Don't know what they're doing...
might be an understatement of the century.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Feb 20, 2009 10:54 PM CST up reply actions
+1
Curry >> Williams
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by APerfectStar on Feb 20, 2009 10:32 PM CST up reply actions
Williams did score 10 tds in 2007 and averaged 16.6 yards a catch.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Feb 20, 2009 10:43 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah I know....
I had him on my fantasy team.. but he doesn’t get much seperation, and is sloooooooooooow.
Those numbers of his are very deceptive. When you’re the Jaguars who have little wr depth and you let go of someone that was once a high pick of your’s….doesn’t say much.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Feb 20, 2009 11:01 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think we will go after a WR in free agency anyways.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Feb 20, 2009 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
Hmm, am I just being suspicious
but now we have interviewed Iglesias as well? Something up there?
Just...
due process.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Feb 20, 2009 11:02 PM CST up reply actions
So you don't think it's out of the norm to interview a solid 2nd Rounder.
I’ve never really followed the draft this early so it’s kinda new to me.
It's common to interview any and all possibilities
It’s also common to throw smokescreens out to other GM’s
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by APerfectStar on Feb 20, 2009 11:07 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly
There are guys that Dallas has looked at that there was no damn way they were picking and everyone knows it.. but it’s just throwing out doubt.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Feb 20, 2009 11:08 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, I guess you're right but with all this drama about TO lately, it kinda makes you
wonder. Not trying to start up more TO stuff so we wont go there. Just kinda ironic.
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