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The Combine's Scariest Test

The combine is here and along with height, weight, strength and speed, the players will have their brains measured as well. The Wonderlic test is a fifty question, twelve minute test designed to measure a person's ability to learn and solve problems. It's a type of personality test used across many industries, but gained most of its notoriety via the NFL. The obvious value to an NFL team is to ascertain a prospect's ability to learn the playbook and terminology quickly, and then adjust to on field situations.

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The Wonderlic Test uses open response and multiple choice questions with increasing difficulty. The average score for an NFL player (regardless of position) is 19. The average score of John Q. Citizen is 21. Scoring below 10 on the Wonderlic is an indication of a literacy problem.

In Paul Zimmerman's book titled, "The New Thinking Man's Guide to Pro Football" he listed the average Wonderlic scores by position. In the table below are listed those test scores compared with average scores from common occupations.

 

Wonderlic Scores
Football Position Test Score Workplace
Offensive Tackle

26

Journalist
Center

25

Quarterback

24

Salesman
Guard

23

Tight End

22

Bank Teller
Safety

19

Linebacker

19

Cornerback

18

Wide Receiver

17

Security Guard
Fullback

17

Running Back

16

 

The only confirmed perfect score of 50 was put in by wide receiver Pat McInally, drafted by the Bengals and used primarily as a punter. McInally, a Harvard grad, felt his perfect score was a hindrance in the draft because he stated, "Coaches hate extremes at either end."

McInally felt his high test score was interpreted by some coaches as him being someone who would challenge authority. The 6'6", 210 pound receiver was drafted in the 5th round of the 1975 draft.

The lowest score ever recorded was turned in by Darren Davis, a running back from Iowa with a 4. The most controversial score was recorded by Vince Young, University of Texas graduate with a 6. This low score was leaked to the media, and Young's stock dropped in the draft. I remember a video clip of Warren Sapp laughing with a teammate and Sapp's quote was, "Man, you get 6 points just for knowing your own name!" There was controversy about how the results were leaked, and ultimately questions on how a college graduate managed to score so poorly. There were claims that the test Young took was ‘inaccurate' and his agent tried to take some of the heat by claiming he never informed Young that he would have to take the test during the combine. Because of the controversy Young was allowed to retake the test and improved his score to 16 (Dan Marino's score). Most believed the ‘make-up test' was a league attempt to overcome the damage done by the leak of the initial low score.

I always enjoy hearing the interviews with the prospects and I listen to how they conduct themselves and articulate their thoughts. I understand that being intellectually brilliant is not the only nor even the main criteria for football success. If it were, most of us here on Blogging The Boys would be in Canton by now. There are a couple of high test scoring, first round draft pick QBs riding the pine right now. The gold standard for success in the NFL is speed. If you scored a 2 on your Wonderlic, but ran a legitimate 4.1 forty yard dash, I'm positive that some NFL team would be willing to pay you a lot of money.

But you have to admit, it would be nice to have the whole package. A 250-pound inside linebacker with 4.3 speed who can cover and stop the run and also reads Quantum Physics Digest would be a thing of beauty.

You can experience and practice some of the Wonderlic questions at the company website. Or try a timed sample test here.

Your 40 times are up to you!

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8/10 here

I ran out of time, though :( Spent too much time on question one.

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by Conjunction on Feb 22, 2009 7:28 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

that is the point

of the test, 50 questions in 12 minutes doesn’t sound like a lot, it is designed for the majority of people not to finish the test. They actually instruct you not to skip questions.

First to six!!!

by sduncan24 on Feb 22, 2009 9:51 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

My Score

Translated to a 35 on the sample test Jim linked. Since my 40 time would fall somewhere between Brad Johnson and Wade Phillips, I think I’ll keep my day job.

by SteveCop on Feb 22, 2009 7:31 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Ha Ha. Darren Davis!

Can you beleive they had that guy come speak at my high school?!

It was enough to make an English teacher jump out a window. Still, it was less painful than watching his brother Troy speak at the Heisman ceremony.

Emmitt would have been proud.

TELL MITCH ALBOM THAT IF HE'S GOT A PROBLEM WITH BLOGGERS, THEN HE CAN COME SEE ME IN THE OCTAGON.

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 22, 2009 8:16 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Darren Davis

I hate to issue a correction on you Jim – but Darren Davis went to Iowa State, not Iowa. Unfortunately, so did I, but I did get 9/10 on the timed Wonderlic which averaged me to a 45 so at least I have that going for me.

by makeit6 on Feb 22, 2009 8:52 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Oh Great, Thanks a LOT!!

You just knocked my Wonderlic down into single digits.

"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams

by Jim Vance on Feb 22, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow...

that’s pretty easy.

I got 8/10 but timed out because my son decided he wanted to type as well.

Those questions are easy though.

Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......

by AirforceBat on Feb 22, 2009 9:13 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Another problem is

10 questions is too limited a sample size to really gauge someone’s aptitude. I know Walter Football has a 20-question test up, does anyone have a more comprehensive one to link?

Kanye, you want to be the voice of this generation? Get in line! It goes me, Obamagirl, the Freecreditreport.com guys, then It's a tie between you-and Crocs.
-Stephen Colbert

by Conjunction on Feb 22, 2009 9:56 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Yep, you nailed it

The Wonderlic was designed decades ago for use in office settings. It measures general aptitude. You can see, there are reasoning questions, mathematical questions, some logical questions and other that require general knowledge.

So what? The NFL isn’t a bank. I’ve said for years, they should be testing the type of cognitive skills the players utilize on the field. Lots of either or questions. Testing spatial intelligence.

This is nice, in that it gives us another view of who is book smart or book dumb, but I don’t think it provides a direct correlation between scores and performance. Look at the QBs who scored poorly and yet had great careers, like Dan Marino. Conversely, there are some really smart guys, like, oh, Drew Henson, who could not play worth spit.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 22, 2009 10:49 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Funny thing that does relate Wonderlic to football

Years ago I took the exam as part of a bank application. I thought I aced the test and was surprised when I didn’t get a call back. I saw a news story a few months later saying banks throw out people who score too high on the Wonderlic, because this increases the risk, in their opinion, that you’ll try to embezzle funds.

You notice on Jim’s chart that bank tellers rank in the middle, not too smart and not too dumb. Apparently the banks like it that way.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 22, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Given the current news climate, and this story

I think it’s clear the banks only want the “smart embezzlers” among upper management.

Ba-da-bing!

Thank you. Thank you very much!

by Rafael Vela on Feb 22, 2009 10:53 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Not to stray away from the subject, but

Darrius Heyward-Bey just went 4.26/4.27!!

TELL MITCH ALBOM THAT IF HE'S GOT A PROBLEM WITH BLOGGERS, THEN HE CAN COME SEE ME IN THE OCTAGON.

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 22, 2009 10:35 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Still waiting on the official times

but everybody is flying

TELL MITCH ALBOM THAT IF HE'S GOT A PROBLEM WITH BLOGGERS, THEN HE CAN COME SEE ME IN THE OCTAGON.

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 22, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Deion Butler from Penn State got a 4.28

Something seems backwards there. I’ve watched a lot of PSU games, and Williams plays much faster than Butler. Weird

"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee

by BigDinSC on Feb 22, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Which is why 40 times are rediculous

How many times guys ran a monster 40 time, and couldn’t do squat on the field. And then guys run in the 4.5-4.6 range and are very very quick on the field.

Too much stock is put into 1 measurement of a player, wether wonderlic or 40 time. The entire package has to be examined.

by mhuff13 on Feb 22, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nah, not definitely.

I’ve been told that scouts use this data to help a prospect. They don’t use it to ding guys. If Williams has a body of quality game tape, they’re not going to pass him over because of a bad combine time.

Or so I’ve been told. If Dallas likes him, I’m sure they’ll check his pro day times. If his numbers are closer to expectations, it should not damage him much, if at all.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 22, 2009 1:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

There was some dude that ran a 4.25, but I can’t remember his name.

Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......

by AirforceBat on Feb 22, 2009 10:44 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Somebody out of Abilene Christian of all places.....

Believe it or not, there have been several NFL players out of that tiny school like Wilbur Montgomery

by texstar on Feb 22, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

If anything he at least has assured he’ll be drafted. He might be the worst WR of all time but you can’t teach speed.

Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......

by AirforceBat on Feb 22, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's right....

God I hope he isn’t any good, Chris Berman will do something stupid like call him Knoxlanding or some crap.

Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......

by AirforceBat on Feb 22, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

Now Crabtree is saying that the stress fracture has been there for about a year. They think that somebody planted the story to lower his draft status? Hmm… who do you think that would be? Maybe Crazy Al?

by texstar on Feb 22, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, not corny enough..

How about, "Johnny Knox-three times on the ceiling if you want me- catches a long one from Tony-Orlando and Dawn – Romo and he could….go…all..the…the…way!

"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams

by Jim Vance on Feb 22, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Aaaah

There you go.

Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......

by AirforceBat on Feb 22, 2009 6:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

That nickname was way too clever for Berman.

by illcowboy on Feb 22, 2009 7:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Your lying?!?

That is crazy.. Someone is going to get paid.. laughing straight to bank

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z

by Wmillion on Feb 22, 2009 11:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think...

we need to make a test to be able to post on this blog.

Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......

by AirforceBat on Feb 22, 2009 11:01 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Haha,

Nah you know we’re cool.. even though you did go to TT.

Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......

by AirforceBat on Feb 22, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Something wrong

with TTU?

When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.

by GunsUp on Feb 22, 2009 10:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nah...

Just in good sport. Hook Em Horns

Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......

by AirforceBat on Feb 22, 2009 11:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, at least

you aren’t an Aggies fan.

When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.

by GunsUp on Feb 23, 2009 7:22 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I was wondering

if you were watching. All my family in Cleburne are Aggie fans too.

When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.

by GunsUp on Feb 23, 2009 12:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I got 10/10

the hard one was the figuring out the 3 boxes, it took some time but i got it done.
I guess I can see how a 6 could be attained. I mean if your really nervous or if you use the occam’s razor approach and put down the first answer you think it is, or the simplest one to avoid overthinking to not waste time.

"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips

by MrMinority on Feb 22, 2009 11:58 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Is anyone else watching the Combine on NFL.com

They aren’t killing the audio on the commercial breaks. You can hear Mike Mayock eating, and the crew talking about what they are gonna do later.

This is silly!!

TELL MITCH ALBOM THAT IF HE'S GOT A PROBLEM WITH BLOGGERS, THEN HE CAN COME SEE ME IN THE OCTAGON.

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 22, 2009 1:27 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Ian Johnson is really helping himself today.

TELL MITCH ALBOM THAT IF HE'S GOT A PROBLEM WITH BLOGGERS, THEN HE CAN COME SEE ME IN THE OCTAGON.

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 22, 2009 1:33 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

lol...poorly produced for sure....but you gotta love the video feeds to all the action...

btw Glory…Our boy WR/RS Mike Thomas-Arizona, has some blazing times..This dude Wallace from Ole Miss has opened some eyes…

I still contend Robiske is the most polished, NFL ready WR in this draft…..I don’t want us drafting any early WR’s, but he’d be my target in the 2nd, if we indeed were to go early..

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 22, 2009 1:34 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I think we've gotta take one of these burners.

There are just too many sub 4.40 guys in this draft not to come home with one of them.

TELL MITCH ALBOM THAT IF HE'S GOT A PROBLEM WITH BLOGGERS, THEN HE CAN COME SEE ME IN THE OCTAGON.

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 22, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree, Robiskie at #51

would be too good to pass up, but I’d be shocked if he lasted that long.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 23, 2009 7:39 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I would grab one in the second or third round

I don’t know where this Maryland’s WR Darrius Heyward-Bey falls into the draft slotting, but thats a burner we need. He ran a 4.3 40 today at the combine.

by Boyzfan94 on Feb 22, 2009 4:53 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

DHB will be gone early 20's of round 1

I don’t see him getting past Tennessee at # 28

And to top it off….WR is our last concern

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 22, 2009 8:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

GloryDayz88
Mike Thomas/WR/Arizona: Thomas sizzled in the 40, running in the low 4.3’s then had a terrific pass-catching workout. He ran good routes and caught just about everything thrown to him. He measured just a fraction under 5-foot-8-inches, which will knock him off some boards around the league.

Here the different style of WR you talked about..

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z

by Wmillion on Feb 22, 2009 6:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

We need someone to be what Joey Galloway was supposed to be.

TELL MITCH ALBOM THAT IF HE'S GOT A PROBLEM WITH BLOGGERS, THEN HE CAN COME SEE ME IN THE OCTAGON.

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 22, 2009 7:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I wonder what round he is projected to be selected in.. With him being 5’7"!!

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z

by Wmillion on Feb 22, 2009 10:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Speed is over-rated

Or at least 40 times are.

If a WR can’t run routes, can’t beat a press or a RB has no vision or falls down when touched then the it doesn’t matter how fast they are. Also many of these guys can’t produce a similar result when on the field with all the other distractions (like a 240 lb LB about to rip their head off.).

Felix’s 40 times were considered slower than expected
Emmitt was too slow
Irvin wasn’t a speedster

We need to pick players based on their production and “game speed”.
Hence Raf’s frequent reminders that the best draft lists come after the teams have graded tape not after combines, speed training, agent spin, GM’s misdirection has clouded everything….

"Where's Woody? - We need another Darren Woodson

by BoyfromOz on Feb 22, 2009 9:34 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I completely agree.

When I played footbal, and we ran the 40 I was slow as molasses. When the pads went on the only person who could beat me in the hundred was the QB. Needless to say I was the Center. Speed in shorts and T-shirt aint Sheet. Put the pads on and run it.

When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.

by GunsUp on Feb 22, 2009 10:17 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I always say

You can’t find out who can play until you put the pads on.

But you can find out who can’t in T-shirts and shorts.

TELL MITCH ALBOM THAT IF HE'S GOT A PROBLEM WITH BLOGGERS, THEN HE CAN COME SEE ME IN THE OCTAGON.

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 23, 2009 6:47 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

True

if they trip over thier own feet in shorts, then they probably will be worse with pads. All I am saying is that there is a whole new set of movements with pads on. My biggest problem were the shoulder pads. It took a good two weeks to be able to run without beating myself to death with them.

When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.

by GunsUp on Feb 23, 2009 7:25 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I couldn't find a cup big (comfortable) enough.....lol

so i went au naturale….which was pretty risky playing RB & LB…

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 23, 2009 5:36 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'm surprised you aren't

singing sopprano.

When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.

by GunsUp on Feb 24, 2009 7:16 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

a few villages have called and…

by Tech92 on Feb 24, 2009 6:13 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I don't put a lot of stock in these tests.

I scored a “45” … big woopie. My composite ASVAB is a 98 or 99 … another woop-de-doo. As someone mentioned, gametape performance speaks volumes.

by GalTex on Feb 27, 2009 10:28 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

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