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Scouting the Cowboys ILB Prospects -- Think 46

I'm writing a piece on Wade Phillips' extense use of the 46 defense down the stretch and it occurs to me the needs of this scheme might be dictating some of the Cowboys' draft and free agent plans.

There were many reasons to shift to more 46 plays last year. From a linebackers' perspective, it allowed Dallas to get Kevin Burnett on the field more in place in Zach Thomas.  Burnett played behind three defensive linemen and was thus able to play on 1st and 2nd downs despite being 227 lbs. 

If you're looking at the key elements of a successful 46, you need a good rushing nose tackle, a top rushing weakside end, two good man-to-man cover guys, a good blitzing strongside linebacker, an all-purpose strong safety, and an all-purpose middle linebacker, who can stuff the run and who also has the wheels to drop into the deep middle on passing downs.

In many respects, a 46 MLB resembles a quality Tampa-2 middle backer.  Mike Singletary excelled in this scheme because he could drop as well as he could plug running lanes.

Look at Dallas last year and you see a lot of key pieces in place.  Jay Ratliff is as good an inside rusher as you'll find in the current game.  Demarcus Ware fits the prototype weakside end.  Bradie James found his niche blitzing off the strongside, as Wilbur Marshall did in the '80s.  Dallas has corners who can play man.

The weaknesses, as we've discussed at length, come at SS and MLB.  The Cowboys lack a safety thumper who can cover.  At middle linebacker, they also have more half-a-loaf stories.  Burnett replaced Thomas because he can cover extremely well, but he's not an ideal long-term solution on running downs.  He's even riskier in the base 3-4, which Dallas still runs most of the time.

When you assess the ILBs Dallas has interviewed -- guys like Darry Beckwith, who list at around 230-235 lbs., but who run in the 4.6 range -- think of them in the pivot of a 46 in addition to playing over guards in a 34.  Otherwise, some of these lighter guys, the Beckwiths and the Zach Folletts, don't make sense.

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Just out of curiosity

Do you think that we would be drafting players to fit Wade’s 46 scheme, if…as many on this blog say….he is a lame duck that will be gone after this year?

by mhuff13 on Feb 22, 2009 1:33 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Even if he is gone...

You don’t draft players like a guy is going to be gone the next year. That would be ridiculous.

I mean you need safeties anyways so that shouldn’t be that big of a difference.

But I guess we could just copy Dick Lebeau and put any person we want in any package and they would excel…(dripping with sarcasm).

Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......

by AirforceBat on Feb 22, 2009 1:36 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Dallas needs guys who can fit both schemes

His replacement, whether he comes next year or if three years, will be running a
base 3-4. And if you have the players who can run some 46 effectively, why not do it?
Let’s say, for arguments sake, that Jason Garret takes over next year. Who will he
hire as his DC? Somebody who can run a 34. That die was cast when Parcells
made the shift in ’05. Jerry has stated as much many times. The team has gone
3-4 and will keep drafting players who fit the scheme.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 22, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

This is gonna be a 3-4 team for a while. Jerry likes it, and I honestly think that as long a DeMarcus Ware is here, we will run the 3-4. I’m sure Ware could play end effectively in a 4-3, but why screw with it? Ware is a defensive centerpiece, and worth setting a scheme around.

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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 22, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok I guess my question should have been

How much of a difference in the type of player at a certain position is there between a base 34 and the 46?

by mhuff13 on Feb 22, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I feel like Ware’s 3-4 dominance kinda dictates that we will stay with this D going forward

by foyesboys on Feb 22, 2009 6:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

One thing that I saw last night though that was surprising

was that there are only 8 teams that currently run a 3-4. Add in GB,Denver and somebody else this year and we’re up to 11. I was surprised at that.

by texstar on Feb 22, 2009 6:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Robinson is the prototype of LB's needed....imo..look forward to the LB & DL drills...

I’m not sold at all on Beckwith or Follett, to small without added speed…If we’re going to draft smaller, more versatile LB’s to fit in certain packages(4-6, nickle LB), we can get those guys late in the 4th-6th round stage…We need a ILB that is primarily a stop the run first, shed blockers, strong pass rusher kinda guy ( McKillop, Joseph, Robinson, Brinkley ) types..

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 22, 2009 1:47 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I'm surprised

you didn’t jump on the unspoken:

Ray Lewis is one such guy who fits both schemes perfectly.
And I’ll disagree with you on Beckwith. Bradie James was 235 coming
out. Dallas bulked him up and now he’s playing superbly in this scheme.

You can add 6-10 lbs. of muscle to a guy with speed and agility. You can’t
add 1-2 tenth on a big LBs 40 time.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 22, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

well, maybe i just should have said I don't like the guy, or what i've read about him...

If he’s our first choice at LB, i’ll be highly diappointed…If he runs under 4.6, we’ll see…He’s closer to weakside 4-3 LB than a ILB in the 3-4…Injury riddled college career and didn’t put up the numbers i like to see…..If he’s there in the 4th, pull the trigger….He would not crack the lineup for at least a year or two..

http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/ilb/Darry-Beckwith.php

btw-Dallas has been in contact with OSU LB- Marcus Freeman at the combine…..

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 22, 2009 7:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Beckwith

He looked good when he was healthy, but that was the problem, too many injuries. Plus Dallas would need to get a big NT to protect him (which I hope they do anyway)

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by APerfectStar on Feb 23, 2009 4:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He didn't impress me at the combine either....If your playing under 240 lbs...you better break the 4.7 40 mark, he's got no bulk or trunk.....

Jasper Brinkley has solidified his status by coming in to the combine at 252lbs…..looking good…A good canidate for the late 3rd, early 4th round…Clay Matthews hopefully falls to #51…..looked real good, but I don’t he makes it to us…

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 23, 2009 5:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

OK, here's the Carpenter debate

I read a very interesting interview with one of Pittsburgh’s Defensive Assistants. He said that it takes 3 to 4 years (sometimes more) before a LB can really excell in the 3-4 defense.

This corresponds to several of the Cowboys players, like Bradie James, Burnett and others. Carpenter is finally “settled” at ILB and is going into his 4th year. I think he’ll be a force. He’s big, fast, and pretty smart. This will be his breakout year, like Burnett last year.

For validation, simply look at the progression of the LBs on the Steelers. Nearly every LB they have was groomed for several years. They let the FAs go because they knew their understudies were reaching their peak. They’ve succeeded because they are patient…unlike most bloggers, all mediots, and some coaches/GMs.

Res firma mitescere nescit

by Fighter15 on Feb 22, 2009 2:20 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I really think that with some playing time Carpenter might just have that light bulb come on.

by MdFan24 on Feb 22, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Adalius Thomas took some time to develop as an OLB

but he was a 6th round pick.

I hope for Caprenter because he could be a real improvement from off of Dallas’ own roster

by AustonianAggie on Feb 22, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Whatever the case may be

He only has one more chance to excel in Dallas. That’s it. Then we won’t have to worry about why Carp did not perform up to expectations.

Of course, we’d have a lot more confidence in him if we’d actually seen something promising lately. To expect the lightbulb to go on after 3 to 4 years (sometimes more) is just flat-out ridiculous. No player would get drafted then…and forget about the first round.

Everything's looking up, Milhouse!

by accidental innuendo on Feb 22, 2009 5:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Boyz, how long ago was that?

I was on that bandwagon as soon as the next season started. Then what? Nada. Haven’t heard a peep since.

Everything's looking up, Milhouse!

by accidental innuendo on Feb 22, 2009 5:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

People are foretting last year was the first year he played at one position

If Zach and Burnett are not around he should get his chance. If he does, and screws it up, I’m all for cutting his butt.

by Boyzfan94 on Feb 22, 2009 5:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well the big question is why did the coaches feel like they needed to bring

in Zach in the first place? It tells me that they didn’t feel like Carp could cut it or they wouldn’t have brought him here.

by texstar on Feb 22, 2009 5:47 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Carps first year at that position.....

We also know it was a good ole boy signing by Wade. Turned out to be a failure, because even Zach admitted he doesn’t fit as a 3-4 ILB.

by Boyzfan94 on Feb 22, 2009 6:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's where you and I disagree.

I don’t think it was the good ole boy signing at all. I don’t think Wade had any confidence that Carp could do it. He also liked Zach’s past leadership skills. I wouldn’t exactly call it a failure cause he did a lot better than Aydele.

by texstar on Feb 22, 2009 6:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

true, he was better than Ayodele, but..

In the end Zach is too small to play ILB in a 3-4. He knew it, we all knew it. I think Carpenter with his lack of experience at that position led to the Zach signing. They also were not confident in Burnett starting because of him being injury prone. The same reason he won’t be resigned, because he can’t be trusted to stay healthy.

by Boyzfan94 on Feb 22, 2009 6:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I reaaaaalllllly like him.

I’d take him in a heartbeat over even Lewis because he’s so much younger. More upside.

by texstar on Feb 22, 2009 6:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think they brought in Zach

to act as a control rod in that nuclear wasteland locker room they have. Which is the reason they would bring in Ray Lewis, but either way I don’t think either vet has a strong enough personality to beat down all the fissionable material in there.

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by GunsUp on Feb 23, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

One thing people keep forgetting is that both Zach and Lewis were long time veterans on their teams-so they were respected. Coming in here, they might be considered out-siders coming in. The old “I don’t have to listen to you cause I’ve been here longer than you” attitude. Maybe I’m wrong but it seems like we have a lot of guys with that kind of attitude.

by texstar on Feb 23, 2009 12:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but if dware is publicly talking about the fact that he is in favor of

having Ray Lewis with dallas don’t you think that means that Ray has a good sponsor and supporter to get him in and be apart of the leadership between players like DW, BJ and RL.

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Feb 23, 2009 1:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't get me wrong

I’m not necessarily against bringing in Ray Lewis if and that’s a big if, he can get the other guys to buy into the team concept. The other thing that kind of changed my mind was listening to Bart Scott on Sirius las week. He said that on the defensive side of the ball they were all accountable to each other. They didn’t want to let the other guy down. He made it sound like it wasn’t necessarily Ray Lewis that was leading, but that all of the guys on that side of the ball. Make sense?

by texstar on Feb 23, 2009 1:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Like I said

One more shot, but not with the greatest confidence in his ability to deliver.

Everything's looking up, Milhouse!

by accidental innuendo on Feb 22, 2009 6:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know about that.

Bradie James was here three years before becoming a solid starter. If we’d given up on him early there’d be another 3-4 team with a cheap free agent ILB and we’d be wrining our hands trying to figure out why the coaching staff couldn’t develop that James guy.

"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee

by BigDinSC on Feb 23, 2009 3:05 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Carp turning into a playmaking ILB while he's still on the Dallas roster would be great.

But he didn’t look good last season in there.

I think the best bet is getting Zach to commit to another season and find a guy in the draft. If they had drafted Carp to be an ILB, I’d feel better about his chances. I think they misjudged his ability to play OLB and just stuck him at ILB because they didn’t have a choice.

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by APerfectStar on Feb 23, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I like Zach but sometime you're going to have to get younger.

This would just be a bandaid and not fix the problem. I’m not saying start a rookie by any means but if they got rid of some of the other deadwood, they could probably bring in a FA.

by texstar on Feb 23, 2009 5:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It's a very sad story....

I hope he gets a chance to compete….I just don’t see him beating anyone else out…and we don’t even have anyone else yet….sad sad indeed.

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 23, 2009 5:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I hope I don't say something wrong here but

none of the LB’s out of Ohio State have exactly done as great as they were billed like AJ Hawk,Carpenter,Gholston. I don’t know why they haven’t produced but it’s kinda interesting. Makes you kind of think twice about Laurinitus.

by texstar on Feb 23, 2009 5:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It goes back as far as a decade.

I was sure Andy Katzenmoyer was going to be a beast but he was out of the league within three years. Even Mike Vrabel was such a dud for the Steelers in his first four seasons that he considered retiring before having a legendary second act of his career with the Patsies.

by MadMick on Feb 23, 2009 6:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

sorry..I have to defend OSU here......

AJ you have a point, but Gholston you have to give a little more time than one season to make a judgement. Carpenter never started, or had a chance to like the others.

by Boyzfan94 on Feb 23, 2009 6:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry don't agree,

he hasn’t shown enough to start. He was a 1st Round Pick. IMO that’s a pretty high pick to not even get on the field for the past 2 seasons except for special teams. Who knows? Maybe, he’ll produce but you’re missing my point: Gholston was a 1st Round Pick #6 and Carpenter and for the money that was thrown at them you can’t call them super-stars like they were promoted at coming out of OSU.

by texstar on Feb 23, 2009 8:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't touch Lauranitis...

I was not impressed with him at all today…and neither were the scouts….He drops to the late first round, early second…imo..far cry from his top 10 status at the beginning of the college season…heck, I think his teammate Freeman is just as good….but I just don’t want any more OSU LB’s….their a shame and are the product of great players playing around them…Same goes for that over hyped CB Jenkins….he’ll be a FS by the time it’s all said and done…

by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 23, 2009 9:51 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

The problem is they are drafted so high in the first round everyone thinks they are the second coming. I don’t know why everyone over-values them. I would stay away from them.

by texstar on Feb 23, 2009 11:05 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

How Great

would it be if Carpenter came around this year. That still shouldn’t stop them from getting a true inside linebacker . Just like getting a NT to protect them when the are in the standard 34. Unfortunately, our coaching staff probably did screw this kid up trying to do to much when he came out. From all accounts he is a hardworking player which just doesn’t seem to comfortable with the system. Give him a little more time and lets see.

by oldboysfan on Feb 22, 2009 2:44 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately I think it's going to take a team change for it to happen

He’s going to be a solid player for another team. I REALLY hope it is us, but I just think as you said we did screw with him too much.

by mhuff13 on Feb 22, 2009 3:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You might be right.

Mike Vrabel was a zero in his first 4 years with the Steelers. Vrabel became a very good player after moving to the Patriots.

Hopefully, Carpenter can at least fill Burnett’s role. More of a hope then a plan.

by CHARB on Feb 22, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Zach is out. If Burnett’s back, and I’d put that at 50-50, he’s still not an every-down linebacker. Carpenter will get his shot, and It’s up to him to prove everyone wrong. If he fails, so be it. The bounty for him right now is a late day 2 pick, and I think the potential upside in letting him play outweighs that.

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by Conjunction on Feb 22, 2009 6:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

He wants to be a 3 down LB. Unfortunately I think he's gone.

I like the guys but you can’t keep everybody. That’s the problem with a lot of foks, they think you ought to keep everybody. They forget that this is a business and it’s not possible to keep everyone because of salary cap issues and limited roster spots.

by texstar on Feb 22, 2009 6:23 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt anyone gives him starter money, though

And he’s more likely to sign here for a one year make-good deal than elsewhere for a lowball offer.

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by Conjunction on Feb 22, 2009 6:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know. Some of these teams do some pretty crazy things

like Al Davis and the Raiders. I’m not saying he’s going there but there are some teams that make you scratch your head. I will not be surprised at all if Canty ends up in Miami.

by texstar on Feb 22, 2009 6:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Blazing Combine Times

Off topic, but anybody see those WR combine times today? Darrius Heywood-Bey posted a 4.3, not bad for someone 6’2 and 210lbs. In terms of size, he seems to fit the profile of Boys picks over the years, as recently posted by Raf. I saw a couple mocks have him at the top of the 2nd, but his speed might make him a sure fire first rounder.

How about Deon Butler (PSU). He doesn’t fit the size template, but he was amazingly fast as well, and he had a good year for the Lions. Wonder if we’d take a look at him if he was available at the top of the 4th round. Maybe not. Jerry’s still hurting from the Green pick…

by Boundforbeach on Feb 22, 2009 3:35 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I didn't realize how special last years RB's were.

Beanie Well-4.5. There were some incredible RB’s last year not so much this year it seems.

by texstar on Feb 22, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1 No doubt.

C. Johnson, F. Jones, J. Stewart, Ray Rice, Matt Forte, T. Choice, D. McFadden, S. Slaton. And don’t give up on Mendenhall just yet. And we got two of ’em!

Wonder what position will really end of being ‘special’ after 09? O-line? WR?

by Boundforbeach on Feb 22, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

It seems to be WR.

Just a guess. They’ve got some really fast times.

by texstar on Feb 22, 2009 4:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

they are definitly fast… but as we all know speed isn’t all there is to being a good wideout.

Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......

by AirforceBat on Feb 22, 2009 5:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

at least they looked ahead as far as WR’s go. Wish he would have looked ahead at QB’s as well because from what I heard they had a better crop of QB’s last year?

by texstar on Feb 22, 2009 5:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Just looked it up

You’re right. He ran a 4.44. Miles Austin ran a 4.47, almost the same. Just because Green flopped doesn’t mean the next guy does. I hope we take at least one fast WR somewhere in the middle rounds.

by Boundforbeach on Feb 22, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What did Quan Cosby run?

He’s not blazing fast but he’s got great hands.

by texstar on Feb 22, 2009 4:16 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

And he's crafty and quick.

I like him alot.

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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 22, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Plus he's a great high character guy.

How does that 4.49 compare to Crayton cause I an see Cosby being a great slot guy.

by texstar on Feb 22, 2009 4:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm a big Cosby fan but...

He’s freaking OLD for coming out of college, and as much as I do like him, he’s not the type of wide receiver Dallas generally drafts.

That being said, I’m a huge Texas fan so I’d be up for him.

Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......

by AirforceBat on Feb 22, 2009 5:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

That's the problem.

This WR corps needs some variety.

TELL MITCH ALBOM THAT IF HE'S GOT A PROBLEM WITH BLOGGERS, THEN HE CAN COME SEE ME IN THE OCTAGON.

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 22, 2009 7:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree...

And he is a hard worker and GREAT route runner.

But Jerry is answering my phone calls for advice…

that asshole.

Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......

by AirforceBat on Feb 22, 2009 7:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm probably partial because I live in Austin but

I think he could really help this team. I know he’s 26 but he would bring along some maturity. Who knows, maybe he could work with Roy on keeping his yapper shut-LOL. Seriously, he could be sort of like a Wes Welker type. Let’s put it this way, I’d take him over Crayton in a heartbeat cause he has great hands. I mean did you see that last drive that he and McCoy put together against Ohio State? AirforceBat, I’ll even admit this that if Cosby had been able to play against my TT Red Raiders, there’s no way Tech would have beaten them so that’s a pretty big statement coming from me.

by texstar on Feb 22, 2009 9:37 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

26

Unfortunately, he’s just not going to get any better.

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by Conjunction on Feb 22, 2009 8:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Austin is also 6'3 215

big difference. that is really fast for that size.

by quincyyyyy on Feb 22, 2009 4:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Bellicheat's Comments at the Combine re: safety position

"The safety position is becoming more and more a corner position in the NFL,‘’ Belichick said. "There was a time when some of the safeties, particularly the strong safeties, fit more almost like linebackers than they did as defensive backs. That’s changed gradually, but now to the point where the defensive backs a lot of times have to cover either wide receivers or tight ends who are very, very good in the passing game. So the demands of that position have changed and we have to change the evaluation of them.’’

by Boundforbeach on Feb 22, 2009 4:52 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Well Glory...

I’m thinking Pat White’s stock might have went up through the roof.

Apparently the scouts have been raving him after his combine performance along with a strong senior bowl.

I’m rooting for the dude, he was West Virginia football for four years.

Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......

by AirforceBat on Feb 22, 2009 7:55 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

No surprise there.

He’s a hell of a player. And to be honest, I would not be shocked if he stays at QB, and has a lot of success.

Check this out.

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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 22, 2009 8:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I read that...

I bet he sneakes into the second round.

Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......

by AirforceBat on Feb 22, 2009 8:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah Scott Wright of NFLDC is looking silly now

even after a good senior bowl performance he was still bashing him

by quincyyyyy on Feb 22, 2009 8:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

DMN blog

Have you all checked out the most recent post on the Cowboys DMN blog, the Wade Philips songs? They’re hilarious especially “Bradie James”.

by beautifultyrant on Feb 22, 2009 9:55 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

They also appear here in a recent fanpost on Blogging The Boys

If you are beating a dead horse, you might be a Cowboys fan.
I was StarStruck at TBB/BSR, now...

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