NFL Scouting Combine Ramblings
Okay, so this is where I get all geeked out. I not only watch every minute of the Combine, I TiVo it and watch it a few more times. I love the fact that this is the very exacting portion of a truly inexact science. But as I watch, I am always thinking to myself, "would Dallas have a shot at this guy?" and "would he help us if we drafted him?". Obviously, this year, I am not spending much time on front runners and am looking at guys who will be there at #51 or within striking distance if Dallas chose to move up.
So, for those of you who DON'T have NFL Network or just didn't have the time, here is what I've seen from the Offensive invitees thus far, and any other highly opinionated musings;
Mike Wallace, WR, Ole Miss - This guy flat out impressed me. Now I never saw him play in college (it's Mississippi, for cryin out loud!), but after flashing a 40 in the low 4.3's, going 40" plus in the vertical and watching him outrun every ball thrown his way and explode out of his cuts, you can bet I am youtubing (is that a word?) him to death now. This guy is a late 2nd or early 3rd rounder and all I can say is WOW. Reminds me of Eddie Royal...
Other WR stuff: Heyward-Bey will drop more balls than he catches, but someone will fall in love with his triangle numbers. Johnny Knox (who?) is going to streak up draft boards with a blazing 40 and good show of hands. Maclin was Maclin and that is just plain good. Percy Harvin ran a 4.41 but chose not to run routes (moron) and that will cost him millions. The WR's were fast in the 40 (much more so than last year) and overall, look much more NFL ready than last year's class.
Ian Johnson, RB, Boise State - this guy is going to make some team very happy when they pick him. At around 210 pounds, the guy ran a 4.46 and he just looks like a football player. Smooth, confident, did everything well and is a good character guy. Please don't let an NFC East team get this guy!!
Other RB notes: they looked slow...sorry, but not just in the 40, they looked like the Under Armor shoes added 10 pounds to them. Andre Brown from NC State, reminds me of MB3 with more breakaway ability. Beanie Wells ran a 4.6, and that will leave a mark. Make no mistake, with the exception of Knowshon (now THAT is a name!), this is more of a 'run over and through you' class of RB's than last year's lightning fast crop led by Mendenhall, McFadden, Chris Johnson and Felix Jones.
TE's: I spent the least time on this group since we don't need one (now watch us go draft one). Pettigrew looks like the next Antonio Gates, only bigger (yikes!). Jared Cook from So. Carolina ran a 4.5 40, and then jumped 41" in the vertical which, for a 245-pound dude, is impressive. He caught the ball with his hands during drills, but dropped a couple. The rest of the TE's were just guys.
OL: Since Dallas could use some depth here, I watched the 3 cone coupled with the bench press drills intently. A.Q. Shipley stood out in several drills. Eric Wood from Louisville looks like the next Kevin Mawae, he has a good anchor, is strong and looked like he understood all the angles. Will Beatty from UConn didn't hurt himself, but this is a guy who COULD be there at #51, depending on whether or not there is a run on OT's like the past 2 years. I like his nimble feet and long arms. A well-known Jonathan Luigs, of Arkansas fame, could be there at 51 as well, and he has some pop and strength for an interior guy. He can play all inside spots too. Eben Britton looked like he had more brains than brawn.
QB's: so this is my soft spot...because I really want Dallas to pick a developmental guy who becomes the next Tom Brady (who doesn't?), so I was looking for anything that gave me some hope. Now, I don't want to write about him because he'll become the talk of the town and then we'll lose our shot at him, but Mike Reilly from Central Washington threw every ball the way it was supposed to be thrown and looked good in all the drills. He's not a big guy, so that might scare us off. Curtis Painter threw well too. The interesting thing about this group of QB's? They're a short group. Most are in the 6'0" to 6'3" range and there don't seem to be any Joe Flacco's or Matt Ryan's (big strong pocket passers who are tall enough to see the whole field) in this bunch.
So, while there may be gold in them there hills, thus far, there have been no overly memorable performances (except maybe Pettigrew's) that make me go "ooh, we need him!". So, let's hope this no-name class of safeties and interior d-linemen produce some jaw dropping moments later in the Combine. Lord knows we could use a NT and a Safety.
Go Cowboys!
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I watched the throwing drills...
And was very impressed with Pat White…dude through really well
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 22, 2009 9:04 PM CST reply actions
Another guy who impressed...
Is Brian Robiske… He caught the ball well and he is a high character guy that would be good for us.
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 22, 2009 9:16 PM CST up reply actions
Can't draft a guy whose name (translated from Spanish to English) means "Ham"...
especially not in Texas!
;-)
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Some of the DL and Lb have done their bench already
Two guys I like did well.
Scott McKillop benched it 27 times
Lee Robinson benched it 24 times
http://www.steelersdepot.com/2009combine/2009-linebackers-nfl-combine-results.html
I Like White, but...
I question these QB-turned-WR athletes like Stanback or Pat White. The payback just takes too long in the transition from one position to another. So, because I don’t think Pat White has a position in the NFL (too small for QB and too inexperienced to be a WR), someone is going to waste a pick on him the same way we did with Stanback.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
You're prejudiced against Southpaws and your name is Mr. Minority???
LOL!!!
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I'm a lefty and I turned out okay....
or at least I think I did. Look at it this way, if we had a Lefty QB, Flo would be protecting his backside anymore. It would be Columbo. Kinda intriquing huh? LOL
Now THAT is funny!
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
He's been adiment that he's NOT a WR...
He’s been working incredibly hard to prove he can be a pro QB. Especially with his Senior Bowl performance. It’s definitely a boom-or-bust pick with White. He kind of reminds me of Troy Smith who, while playing 2nd fiddle to Flacco, didn’t look half bad when he did get on the field. Now I know next year is much different from last, but some team that wants to run a Wildcat-esque offense will probably take him. I can see him catching a screen and pulling up to fire a ball down field…
by AikmanNailedMySis on Feb 23, 2009 9:29 AM CST up reply actions
nonsense.....You remind me of an unemployed Doctor.
you got NO patients man…
.I guess you didn’t realize Michael Crabtree was a starting QB in high school…huh ???
what did it take him to become the best WR in college ?…
3 years…..
Stanback will be a vital part of our offense…you’ll see
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 22, 2009 11:16 PM CST reply actions
Has the guy shown anything?
Ever? Seriously. I know the 3 year rule still applies, but I have no idea why people are so high on the guy. Yeah, he’s big and fast, but he’s shown absolutely nothing since he’s been here. I really hope Dallas doesn’t stay away from some of the WRs in the draft because they refuse to give up on Stanback experiment. Guy’s hardly stayed healthy long enough to actually learn to play the position at the pro level.
Epic Fail since 1985
by the red scare on Feb 22, 2009 11:56 PM CST up reply actions
He's shown me plenty..
Had a great end around, a 60 kick off return, another 44 yarder called back. Had a few receptions when we needed him to step in for wounded Austin and Hurd early last season, playing with a seperated shoulder…That shows me guts, toughness, determination, and heart..He showed me no fear kamakazing into the mouth of oncoming kicking teams… He showed me he can catch Felix Jones from behind, and pass him. He showed me a physique that only TO can surpass, and most importantly, Michael Irvin said he is far more athletic than he ever was, faster than he ever was, and see’s a potential star receiver in him….I’ll take his advise over any of yours thanks…
Guy’s hardly stayed healthy long enough to actually learn to play the position at the pro level.
Can’t you say the same exact thing about Miles Austin ? What has he shown you his first two seasons ?? when healthy of course..Absolutely nothing, besides maybe he’s big and fast..and had no hands whatsoever…..yeah…thought so..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 23, 2009 12:36 AM CST up reply actions
Austin has improved a great deal
Yes, he was butterfingers in 07, but this year he caught most every ball thrown his direction. He’s not as big as Stanback(we’ll just ignore the physique comment…that’s a bit much, dude), but all indications are that Austin is in fact the fastest receiver on the team, according to most.
Stanback made like…two? catches in the regular season, and all of a sudden he’s a sure fire playmaker who’s going to breath new life into the offense? He’s so good that Jerry and company shouldn’t even bother looking at another receiver? Stanback has literally done NOTHING noteworthy since he’s been in Dallas. A couple of flashy kickoff returns and literally a couple of catches with a hurt shoulder(poor guy). Hot damn, guy’s obviously the future.
Epic Fail since 1985
by the red scare on Feb 23, 2009 1:03 AM CST up reply actions
although i like both players...
i’d have to say i have more confidence in miles austin making plays than stanback…
although i think stanback has a shot, shoulder injuries are just not good… not good at all… especially for a wide receiver…. while he’s learning the position orwhatever, adjusting, the coaches should be utilizing his natural abilities and running the wildcat… not all game, just a few times here, a few times there…
by CowboysFan4Life on Feb 23, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
I also noticed
It seems to be a pretty fast crop of receivers this year.
I wouldn’t mind Dallas going after one, if only just for kick off and punt returns. Felix is awesome, but I think he’s already proven too vital to the offense to risk putting out there on special teams. Austin’s getting to that level too. And we haven’t had an exciting punt returner in forever.
Speed kills, or so I hear. I’m all for more of it.
Epic Fail since 1985
Devery Henderson is a FA
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
If Stanback has another camp and preseason like last year, we should cut him. We definitely need to draft a WR this year, someone who is ready to play. No more of these position changers that Jerry gambles on. I like Brian Robeskie from Ohio State. Wallace was very impressive at the combine and he has added value in special teams too.
I watch ALOT of buckeye ball
Robiskie ALWAYS came through. He definitely had a safety valve property that Pryor, as a freshman, greatly benefited from. He’s not known as speedy guy, more of an over-the-middle kind of receiver, so his 40 time certainly jacked up his value.
by AikmanNailedMySis on Feb 23, 2009 9:33 AM CST up reply actions
The problem with Robiskie is that he isn't a good fit for us at #51
…and he’ll probably be gone by the time he appeals to us.
He shouldn’t have had such a good Combine!!!!
:-)
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
haha very true
And as a buckeye fan, I’m hoping Beanie has a terrible showing, falls out of the draft and decides to come back. absolutely won’t happen, but i can always hope haha…
by AikmanNailedMySis on Feb 23, 2009 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
Wow!
Curry just ran a 4.54 40!
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 23, 2009 12:13 PM CST reply actions
Vernon Gholston clone...
I like him more in a 4-3 as a OLB, not as a rush LB in a 3-4.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Except Curry was way more productive.
Mayock has him as his best player in the draft.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Feb 23, 2009 6:16 PM CST up reply actions
But...
if you look at his sacks in particular, he got them against TE’s not against LT’s.
That’s why I think he might struggle as a rush LB at the next level.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I gotta say though...
He LOOKS a lot like Patrick Willis. What a beast!
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I would take him if I'm Detroit.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 23, 2009 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't
The Lions desperately need a franchise qb and Stafford looks like he fits the bill.
In Romo we Trust
He ran a 4.57 his second time so it was no fluke...
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Curry's the best LB , hands down..
Would be awesome at ILB in our system…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 23, 2009 6:42 PM CST up reply actions
WR's
The worst thing we could do is draft a WR early in the draft. We don’t need one. We have T.O. and Roy (obviously) Crayton (who is not as bad as everyone thinks he is) Austin (who is a few overthrown balls away from having a couple touchdowns) and Hurd (don’t forget about this guy). Plus Stanback, if he ever stays healthy might be good. So a WR would just make things too crowded. If we were to draft one late, then I’d be ok with it, there are tons of WR’s in this years draft so we can wait and get one late.
I posted a comment on another post about a week ago talking about Curtis Painter (QB, Purdue), does anyone have any opinions on how he did in the combine? I didn’t see him at all and I’m very curious about how he did.
Maybe...
not at #51, but don’t forget, T.O. (locker room antics and future with Dallas aside) is geriatric. RW11 has to show up big in 2009. Crayton struggles to separate. Hurd is leaving. Austin is unproven and Stanback…well, see above! :-)
Dallas lacks a burner in the slot or out on the edge to stretch the field and open up space for the drags and seam routes that Romo needs to throw.
I think there is benefit in finding and grooming a young gun in case T.O. leaves or Austin isn’t who we think he could be.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I want a Wes Welker/Steve Smith/DeSean Jackson...
and please pardon the Eagle I referenced (it’s monday), but I want a small, sure-handed guy with wheels. We don’t really have one…
by AikmanNailedMySis on Feb 23, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, some speed cut guys would help Romo a lot...
but who do you have in mind?
Knox? Percy Harvin?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Having watched Knox the last couple of years...
he could be that guy. He certainly gets separation, he has sure hands and he does have wheels. However, I wonder if some of it was the perfect situation. ACU had their own version of the triplets in Knox, Scott (RB), who was also at the combine, and Malone (QB). He did punt return duty after Daniell Manning got drafted by Chicago. I’m trying to remember if he did kick-off returns. If he did, it wasn’t often, as I seem to remember a couple of other guys handling that. Pre-combine, I think he was projected as round 7/FA. He could certainly be a good value there, especially if he could handle punt return duty.
Character-wise, the guy’s a winner. I don’t see that being a problem. He’s a nice kid.
Of course, there might also be 20 others that would have all that and Division I experience. I wasn’t watching the whole combine, just the guys I know.
Fear is just frozen adrenaline.
by abileneblues on Feb 23, 2009 5:55 PM CST up reply actions
He ran a 4.34 40 and caught everything they threw to him
I doubt he’ll make it past the 4th round now.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Johnny's more of a PR guy than KR
at least in his style of returning…but so was Danieal and he figured out KR this year so who knows. Johnny is going to be an asset on ST though not only as a possible return guy, but as a coverage guy too.
Don't you ever damn call here again
Yeah
me 2
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 23, 2009 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
haha who doesn't, right?
But I would love Knox. I liked everything I saw out of him. Sure handed, soft-spoken, maybe not the big-game experience but neither did Romo. And I don’t think what you can call what he has “wheels.” After a sub-4.3, I think that fits the bill for jet-engines…
by AikmanNailedMySis on Feb 24, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
I guess we have higher standards in Texas...
The thing is, I heard guys say that he’s not the fastest guy on the team (ACU). I don’t know if he ate jet-fuel Wheaties or what. But now it makes me want to see Edmund Gates run the 40 (the guy people said was faster than Knox).
Fear is just frozen adrenaline.
by abileneblues on Feb 26, 2009 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
Edmund IS faster than Johnny
Jaws are gonna drop when he runs in front of scouts after he leaves ACU. If he has a big year this year, he will be at the combine next year too.
Don't you ever damn call here again
eh
T.O. isn’t going anywhere and he is still a productive WR. RW11 will be just fine. Can’t ask a guy to come in mid season and put up Pro Bowl numbers, he’ll be fine. He IS a good WR. When Crayton and Austin were on the field last season our offense was good. That sounds weird to say, but it’s true, Austin can stretch the field. He didn’t drop any passes, Romo overthre him by 10 yards. I’m still excited for Hurd, I think he has the potential in him but he HAS to stay healthy. I don’t mind taking a WR I just wouldnt do it until 5th round at the earliest. This team has other needs besides another WR. We need safeties, LB, OL, DL, backup QB’s…not WR’s. This team is good enough too where we don’t even need to draft a hole lot of players, lot of those guys wouldn’t even make the team.
No stinkin way.
Defense or Oline up high, skill positions down low.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 23, 2009 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
Meanwhile, back at the Combine...
Before I post about the defense, some good showings from guys who Dallas should be considering at #51;
Ron Brace: looks, lifts and runs (slowly) like a 3-4 NT and could be there at #51!
Sammie Lee Hill: a poor man’s Kris Jenkins?
Brian Cushing: strong, ran well, but did not play fast this past season…
I’m also going to look more at this guy, Jarron Gilbert from San Jose State because his triangle numbers are insane and he looked like a player.
Everyone of the pundits are talking about the ‘transition guys’ who will go from being a DE to a 3-4 rush LB but this draft has a wealth of solid-looking DE’s and DT’s, which is refreshing.
Scene of the day: Rey Maualuga puking his guts out after drills on the Lucas Oil stadium floor. CLASSIC!!!
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I hope Brace lasts until 51.
He looked really good and probably caught a bunch of 34 eyes.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 23, 2009 6:45 PM CST up reply actions
He sure did
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
running a 5.5 40 didn't impress me...
Knighton, Scott, Gilbert, Baker, Hill, Miller, etc. etc…all performed better…imo…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 23, 2009 6:56 PM CST up reply actions
He weighs 330 pounds
How many times will he be expected to run 40 yards as the NT?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
we'll soon find out his 10 yard splits as well....
which is the best indicator of explosion off the ball…..I’m just not a Ron Brace backer, and he won’t be a 3 down lineman, he’s just an overweight lineman, doesn’t look like he carries that weight well, and i am sure endurance and stamina will be a major cause for concern with him…as opposed to a large framed behemoth with power, and if he droped 25- 30 pounds he’d probably more effective in the rush game….A guy like Dorrell Scott or Knighton looks like they can pack on another 15-20 lbs. onto their frames and still maintain power, quickness, and fluidity and that’s all i’m saying..If you saw Sammi Lee Hill or Chris Baker, you’d see what 330lbs is supposed to look like on a man…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 24, 2009 9:29 AM CST up reply actions
Hill looked good for sure
But most of the time, these guys add weight and slow down.
Brace has strength and walks in with a big enough body to shield our LB’s from having to take on o-linemen.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Hill is naturally 330....and stand to lose 10 lbs and be even more effective, AND play all three downs...
heck, he’s able to play DE at that size…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 24, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
He doesn't have to be a 3 down linemen
Generally we have a four man line in our nickle ( Any combination of Ware, Spencer, Ellis Spears, Ratliff, Hatcher, and Bowen) and generally we’ll be in our nickel on 3rd down anyway
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
I'm with you on this one!
Dallas needs a bigger body in the middle, not some 300-pound wannabe. We need someone who is on the plus side of 325!
And I don’t care what his 40-time is…
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
His cardiac surgeon?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
LMAO
Feb. 18-24 -- NFL Scouting Combine
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Feb 24, 2009 7:21 PM CST up reply actions
NOTE : Brace has been reported to have lower back ailments, that have plagued him for quite some time, which of course doesn't help when your 50+ lbs over your natural weight...
I don’t touch no lineman with back issues…..especially at the NT position, where major strain of taking on double teams puts tremendous stress on lower back structure…He had Raji in BC, and seldom took on two O linemen…….he’s on his own in the NFL…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 24, 2009 9:57 PM CST up reply actions
Cushing
Cushing won’t be there at 51 and he is gym rat who has bust written all over him. I could be wrong, but I don’t like him too much.
I like Clay. Every game I caught of USC this year
Matthews was all over the field. I think he’ll make a good pro, in whatever defense.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 23, 2009 6:53 PM CST up reply actions
Clay Matthews and Clint Sintim were my targets prior to the Senior Bowl...
looks like neither will be there in the 50 range now……..If either slips to 40…Jerry might have to break out one of his patented trade proposals…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 23, 2009 7:00 PM CST up reply actions
McKillop is as good as either guy
he’ll be a steal for us no matter what rd he’s selected, he’s that good
In Romo we Trust
I agree...he'd be one of my choices( Brinkley being the other) if the two mentioned aren't around...
I’m not sold on the 2nd round with him though, he’s still a bit slower than i was looking for, but no denying his productivity…..our 3rd rounder looks to be where he’d of better value…maybe even trade down a few spots, and pick up an extra pick, then snag him…we’ll see how it goes….
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 24, 2009 9:36 AM CST up reply actions
slower??? give me a break
you got to be kidding, he ran a 4.77 for crying out loud. He ran as fast or faster than all the other highly rated ILB prospects.
Beckwith 4.77, Maualuga 4.82, Lauaranitis 4.8, Cushing, 4.74, Sintim, 4.78.
If we take him at #51 I’ll be elated.
In Romo we Trust
i knew he was going to run that time..i was looking for sub 4.7, didn't get it..
not saying i don’t like him…he’s been on every mock i’ve posted…in the 4th round of course…he may make my 3rd round spot next time…but i’m reluctent to make him our first pick if we do indeed sign Zack, and retain Carp….I want my first pick making plays on the field day 1….McKillop would be strickly special teams his first year…We go DE, NT, or S, at least there’s more probability that player will see action in his first year the way our roster is currently structured…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 24, 2009 9:57 AM CST up reply actions
you're placing too much emphasis on the 40
Believe me, McKillop could very easily beat out Carp and it wouldn’t be long before he put Thomas on the bench as well.
The kid is a playmaker and 4.7 is plenty fast enough to make plays at ILB.
In Romo we Trust
I have no doubt he can beat out Carp....
but there’s no way he’s better than Zack, and lacks the coverage skills to be an immediate 3 down LB…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 24, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
McKillop is the football player you want at ILB
no matter what round you pick him in.
Dallas has hit homeruns of Panthers before!
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 24, 2009 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
Don't get to caught up in 40 times.
Antonio Pearce said it very well the other day. Speed is great in the 40 but how fast is the linebacker when he has to shed off a 300 LB. lineman. Much more important than just 40 times.
i don't get caught up in times...it does seperate players of equal grade though...
I don’t look at the time, i look at the effort and fluidity in their run….Curry was the perfect example of how a player should run…he was a well oiled machine chuggin down that track, effortlessly, with great stride…..others were all out of control, out of rythem and appeared too strained and unnaturally flowing…that is not how they’d run in games with pads on…which expresses to me an even slower real time speed…
I wasn’t much into all the Beckwith talk, and now he’s proved to be slow for his size, and needs to bulk up to begin with, which will only slow him down more…He did not look imposing what so ever, and i truely hope we do not draft him….He’s got Barbie Carp written all over him..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 24, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
No, 40 times are not what great talent evaluators use to...
separate players who grade out the same. Guys like Cuskowski use the stuff that you can’t measure.
They use intangibles, like how they’ve responded to tough coaching, practice habits, etc.
40 times, especially for linemen, are not the determinant.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Ciskowski*
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I like it better as Cuskowski
than Ciskowski-LOL
BTW, there's another Matthews coming out this year (Jr in High School)
to the UT recruiting day. 6’05" Left Tackle (son of Bruce). Man, what a lineage? Is Clay a brother or cousing?
one thing i didn't like about him was his Barbie Carpenter like golden locks...
i was having nightmarish flashbacks to ’06…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 23, 2009 9:34 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
and he knotted em up like Bobby does too. Hey, he can be a straight replacement. Bobby may be athletic, but Clay just has a nose for the ball.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 24, 2009 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
Watch the Eagles grab Clay.
Suckers.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 24, 2009 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
You may be right!
He’s certainly hyped right now since Maualuga gagged (literally) in his workout.
I think guys like Curry, Maualuga, Laurinitis, McKillop and maybe even Sintim and Jasper Brinkley all could be taken before him, so the question is, how many LB’s go in the first 50?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Curry, Cushing, Maualuga, Laurinitis, Matthews are the only true LB's to go top 50...
plenty of 3-4 OLB’s like Orakpo, E Brown, English, Johnson, and Maybin
McKillop and Brinkley just moved into late 2nd to early 4th discussions.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 23, 2009 7:12 PM CST up reply actions
I disagree
McKillop just moved in the top 50 easily with his combine numbers as his production on the field was top 10.
In Romo we Trust
if you say so...your boy Mayock doesn't think so...
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 24, 2009 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
I admit I'm biased
I’m a Panther fan and watched Scott the last two years at Heinz Field and he is a super stud IMO.
He’s simply a tackling machine.
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i know he is...he's probably my favorite too...but i'm reluctant to take him a 51 right this minute...we still have free agency
If we go out and sign a Ray Lewis or a Bart Scott, or even a lesser tier FA, ILB no longer becomes an immediate need pick with a high draft choice…If we lose Zack and Burnett, and don’t get a shot at one of the top FA LB’s, then by all means draft an ILB in round 2…..we got to wait and see how this FA plays over the next few weeks….
Scott McKillop is a want for me right now, and has always been my listed first LB taken, I would now add Jasper Brinkley to one of my favorites, coming in 20lbs lighter than originally listed….He’s going to skyrocket up draft charts…from 4th-5th to 2nd-3rd….
But Sintim comes from a 3-4, has great size, and experience…
Matthews is two time team special teams player of the year at SoCal, and is proving to be the better fit for a 3-4 D than his fellow USC teammates..
so i’m partial to taking one of them first…but this process isn’t over yet….DB’s today…woo hooo…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 24, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
we're not signing Lewis or Scott
If we sign an ILB, it will definitely be a second tier guy, somebody McKillop or another rookie could beat out.
I’m also looking to see the safeties today as well.
In Romo we Trust
Don't be so sure about not signing Lewis or Scott...
You never know. We are talking about Jerry Jones here. I find it hard to believe that even Jerry would let Burnet and Zach walk if he didn’t have some plan up his sleeve. If he doesn’t, it would go completely against his norm.
Lewis or Scott would cost too much
and Jones already said he wasn’t making a splash in FA and signing those 2 would definitely be a splash.
Look for the Boys to sign a lower tier ILb that is much cheaper and draft an ILB.
In Romo we Trust
Your boy Delmas
ran a 4.5 and put up 12 reps.
I think he will be there at 51.
Rashad Johnson ran a similar time and I am liking him a whole lot more than Delmas right now.
Did anyone see Kevin Ellison rack 32 reps on the bench? That is insane for a safety!!!
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
12 reps is pretty weak for a safety
I can do that and I’m an old man.
Yeah, 32 reps for any position is impressive. Pound for pound he has to be the strongest guy at the combine.
In Romo we Trust
It's borderline crazy!
He lifted 225 more times than ANY Te or LB at the Combine!
He also outlifted 65% of the D-linemen (tied with Ron Brace!) and would have been tied for 4th highes among O-linemen!
The only problem? He ran the slowest 40 of any Safety (4.82).
;-)
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
He will become a weakside LB in a 4-3...
there is no way that guy will be put in coverage…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 24, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
speaking of....The two big SS I like the best were Nic Harris and Stephen Hodge
I think both should be looked at as possible nickle LB’s, both showed decent speed, back peddle, coverage skills, flexability, and are big enough to play near the line and cover backs and TE’s….They would replace Burnett in our nickle packages…4th-5th round range……we need a guy that will be able to do that, as well as play special teams…either one gets to the 6th round..i’d jump on one.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 24, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
Not quite sure what you were seeing out there..Johnson was extremely slow in his back peddle, did not have a good combine..
was not impressed by him at all…he’s 3rd rounder in my book..a late one at that..
Delmas looked good in drills, and good speed, but 12 reps is very weak for safety…clearly distanced himself from Johnson.
Sean Smith jumps both Johnson and Delmas on my CB to FS convert chart.
Chip Vaughn-SS performed his way into the 2nd round talk today….and is now second behind William Moore, and ahead of Chung, who took a step back in my eyes…Courtney Greene may also go ahead of Chung as well.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 24, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
nope...not at all...
i am not using workout numbers…I’m using what I saw in CB drills, which is a much better indicater than 40 times, 3 cone drills, verticle, and broad jump….Fot instance, I know Chip Vaughn isn’t supposed to be all that special in coverage, but is a terror in the box, and has a penchant for bone crushing ball seperation hits, but I saw him in coverage drills, and he convinced me he’s more than compenent in that regard, and by no means a liability, his upper body mass, and overall athleticism (being a former WR) has the ball skills to eventually be the complete package with pro coaching and experience.
Rashad Johnson didn’t look better than him, and he’s much smaller, shows no imposing physical traits, or frame to add much more mass, or be any more effective in coverage. I’m just telling you’ll now, if Rashad Johnson is picked before the 3rd round, I’d be amazed, and surely they didn’t use his mediocre combine performance as an indicator in their decision. I don’t question his supposed intangibles, and I’m sure he may look good on tape, but if you don’t think his combine won’t effect his draft grade, then why bother having it ? He did NOT help himself this weekend is all i’m saying, if it takes him from mid 2nd grade to mid 3rd, i’d agree with that assessment….He is no Ed Reed, and never will be..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 25, 2009 8:32 AM CST up reply actions
nobody is saying Johnson is Ed Reed
or even an elite safety, but on Saturdays the last few years he was one of the best safeties in college football.
The combine shouldn’t drop a player from one round to the next, it is used to acquire as much tangible information about the players as possible.
Football drills do not equal actually playing football. I’m judging players how they look with the pads on in competition, not running drills in gym shorts.
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Many scouting publications had him as a 3rd rounder to begin with...He did nothing to enhance his stock...
i’m done talking about Rashad Johnson…I don’t see him in our plans.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 25, 2009 10:27 AM CST up reply actions
I hope you're wrong
and I hope the Cowboys see him as one of true ball hawks available in this draft and for the Cowboys, thats exactly what we need, someone who can go up and get the ball.
In Romo we Trust
Agreed
Rnumba1 essentially said that he hasn’t seen any game tape of him and is only using the Scouting Combine workout to formulate his opinion. There aren’t any FS I would take ahead of Johnson besides Delmas.
Delmas...
ran with the CB’s and has virtually the same body as Vontae Davis, both are 5’11" and 200 pounds. Davis got 25 reps on the bench, Delmas got 12. I can’t buy Delmas anymore, he’s not NFL ready.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
delmas will go..
to high anyways…Johnson hurt his stock a lil bit but he is still a good player..I haven’t heard much on Chip Vaughn just saw where he was at in the position rankings and the DB drills was the only combine that i missed . This safety class is really weak though, if only Mays and Rolle came out it would be much different.
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 25, 2009 6:33 PM CST up reply actions
dont worry
NFL Network replays all of their Combine coverage only about 2.3 million times over the next 4 weeks.
:-)
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
ok...first off, I have seen nearly every game he's played this past season. I do live in SEC country.
And I’ve never questioned his heart, leadership, various intangibles, or his ability to make plays. I have simply stated that he grades out to be a high 3rd rounder, and nothing more. He certainly did not raise his draft stock at the Combine, plain and simple. If we select him at # 51….I would be very disappointed, and I guarantee every draft publication will say we reached, and missed on that pick…
I know what I seen in drills, I have done those drills, have studied those drills, and have been a college talent evaluating draftnik for over 25 years……If you disagree with my assessment, fine. If you want to ignore professional scouting services, fine.
I for one, want nothing to do with selecting at Safety with our first pick, unless it’s SS-William Moore, or FS prospect- Sean Smith. I don’t agree with moving Ken Hamlin to SS, it weakens the entire Safety position as a whole, and I have no confidence in him to perform better in the box.
and to answer hiafax, your absolutely right. The only two FS prospects I would take over Rashad Johnson are Sean Smith and Louis Delmas.That doesn’t mean we select him at # 51 if those two aren’t available….I stick to my analysis of Johnson, and IF he’s there at # 69, and we select him…I’m fine with that, as I have him going between picks 64-84….I guess we’ll have to wait for the draft to see just how well I fair in projecting talent.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 26, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
why do you feel Moore is better
than Johnson, I didn’t see in games or at the combine?
Actually, Moore had a horrible senior year compared to his junior year.
In Romo we Trust
Yes, but Moore has more hype
despite his falling star
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
cuz Moore has the ability to play Strong Safety in the NFL, Johnson's purely a FS.
His senior year was marred with a high ankle sprain which would limit anyones performance..There was not a DB in the country… period…. that equalled his Junior totals….and that’s the player film i’m looking at if i’m a scout…..the real deal…and yes..he was superior at the combine as well..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 27, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
I doubt that very much
Moore has been a FS from the beginning in terms of his slot in the NFL.
He hasn’t shown the kind of ferocity or tackling ability to be a SS.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Are you kiddin me ?? The dude is know for his kill shots, and certainly is SS material.., and brings the wood !!
http://www.draftcountdown.com/interviews/William-Moore/William-Moore.php
http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/s/William-Moore.php
http://thefootballexpert.com/mockdraft2.html
http://www.footballsfuture.com/2009/prospects/william_moore.html
I believe he’s shown plenty of ferocity to be a SS.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 28, 2009 5:52 AM CST up reply actions
I think it's too early to tell
You have to pair up the entire list of performances with other positions and team needs. To say McKillop is in the top 50 at this moment, in my opinion, is a stretch. A lot of teams would have to use one of their top 2 picks on LB’s (and lots of them are inside guys, who tend to go later) to make that a reality.
Not impossible, but at this point, unlikely.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Didn't Maualuga pull up lame during his 40?
That’s one way to suck the air out of a stadium full of scouts hahaa
by AikmanNailedMySis on Feb 24, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
How many..
3rd and 4th round picks do we have Bling?
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
We have
- - 2nd round
- (please, no jokes) – 3rd round
- - 4th round (1st pick in the round)
- - 4th round
PLUS, it’s likely we’ll get a compensatory pick in either the 3rd or 4th (more likely) round.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
That should have read...
Number 51 – 2nd round
Number 69 – 3rd round
Number 97 – 1st pick of the 4th round
Number 113 – 4th round
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
hahahaha..............69
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
I SAID NO JOKES!!!
;-)
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Jarett Dillard was pretty impressive to me.
Was the top WR in the vertical and broad jump and ran a decent 40. The guy was super productive at Rice.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
His Triangles Don't Jump Out
He ran a 4.53 at 5’10" and 190 pounds. So, he’s not a speed guy, but he’s too small to be a possession, big-body guy. He’s kinda like Amendola in that regard.
Prime, what kind of routes did he run?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I havent watched a lot of Rice but
he was over 1000 yards 3 straight years and scored 60 tds in his career there.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Feb 23, 2009 7:17 PM CST up reply actions
This guy isn't Amendola.
Amedola wasn’t nearly the athlete this guy is.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Feb 23, 2009 7:29 PM CST up reply actions
Amendola is 5'11", 180 pounds and ran a 4.57 40
Both put up good numbers in their respective offenses and had a knack for getting open underneath. Neither is a burner and both are on the smallish side. Both have good hands.
My comparison was really around what they add to a team in terms of firepower and so, in those terms, neither of them seems to offer much, so I lumped them together.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I like Dillard
He might not be the best athlete (he’s still decent), but he knows how to run routes and catch, I’m willing to bet that anyone who goes to Rice is intelligent, and that is one trait we can always use on the team.
Feb. 18-24 -- NFL Scouting Combine
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by APerfectStar on Feb 24, 2009 7:30 PM CST up reply actions
+1....those are outstanding lower body explosion numbers...reports are pretty good on him as far as hands and route running go....
purely a slot receiver…he’s a Patrick Clayton clone, slightly faster…..
Except Crayton can't jump like this guy.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Feb 23, 2009 7:35 PM CST up reply actions
Gary Kubiak is now saying that he thinks McGee could be a great
QB with proper development. Good speed, athletic,smart. BTW they just traded Rosenfels to Vikings.
That's a red herring
It means they are looking hard at someone else.
No front office person ever tips their hand like that.
I think Mike Reilly is rising fast.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I didn't take it like that.
He was on the same plane as McGee going up to the combine. They both played at A&M. In fact, Kubiak was the last QB drafted out of A&M as a QB. He wasn’t trying to say they were going to draft him, it was more the A&M connection thing. McGee is a lot better QB than a lot of people realize. He just wasn’t used correctly underneath Francione. Kinda like Bennett. Very raw.
What's the red herring?
The part about Rosenfels?
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 24, 2009 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
Rosenfels is a good QB....
at least he’s better than anything that’s on their roster right now i.e. Tavaris Jackson. The only thing that I would say is Rosenfels doesnt need to be doing any more airplanes-lol
+1
That is a great trade for the Vikes.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
A quick take on the DB's...
What was surprising about this year’s group was the lack of straight line speed (maybe the under armor shoes suck?).
Seriously, no one ran below a 4.41, most ran in the 4.5 – 4.6 range and didn’t look all that fluid in drills.
Unfortunately for Dallas, this looks like a weak safety class (think WR’s from last year) that took a big hit when Taylor Mays, Myron Rolle and others stayed in school. There may be some studs hiding in there like McBath, Hamlin and others, but so far, not so good.
The good news is that there are a couple of big bodies who could be there at #51 to fill the Nose Tackle need and allow Ratliff to move out to End. That would also make the potential loss of Canty a non-issue.
Go big or go home!
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I agree...after watching every DB ( as well as every other position ) that has a chance to fall to us, I just don't see the value in selecting Safety first
William Moore – SS
Sean Smith – FS
Louis Delmas – FS
Those are the only three worthy of # 51 consideration.
If those three are gone, we go big man OL or DL
Rashad ?? from Bama ?
He really didn’t do himself any favors at the combine for sure…His physique was gimpy…his size was uninspiring….his speed was lacking…his backpeddle was the worst of all top FS canidates…lacked fuidity in his flips….I gave him a C grade, and a late 2nd- mid 3rd projection…He’s got a chance to change scouts thoughts at his pro day, and watching him on tape i’m sure he looks good, and he has many intangibles that can’t be measured….But if I was drafting at # 51….He would NOT be my pick…
look at his game film, the kid is a player
plus he brings great intangibles which IMO are more important than measurables.
In Romo we Trust
I agree, Terry
Rashad Johnson is a guy Jimmy Johnson would pick. The simple reason is that there are a million and 1 “triangle geeks” who don’t actually watch the games in college and see how players perform when it counts most. Rashad Johnson had 7 INT’s in 12 games this past season. Sometimes I feel like no one in Dallas could do that in 120 games!
Johnson didn’t blow up the Combine. So what? As I recall, neither did Darren Woodson.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Wow...
Didn’t know Rashad did that bad….Ouch….well he did put on nearly 20 pounds…but still thats not very good.
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 24, 2009 11:51 PM CST reply actions
that was his problem I believe..If he came on at 190lbs..I think he would have done much better...
same with LB Beckwith…who came in 10-15 lbs heavier than his playing weight, and it effected his performance as well. Both are 3rd round canidates in my opinion….and if you can find scouts say different, i welcome their insight…
Johnson is nowhere near a top 50 pick in this draft….period.There are at least a dozen O & D linemen i’d take over him all day, and will grade out as a better value. Is that so hard conceed to ? Safety may very well be addressed in FA, and SHOULD be in my view…so this may not even be a discussion a week or two from now…I don’t like Rashad Johnson, nor do I expect anyone to agree with me. L Delmas, S Smith, and W Moore are the only Safeties i’d invest a 2nd round pick on..period.
I would invest a pick in him though...
We need high character, intelligent players and he fits that bill. Not all NFL players are unbelievable athletes, some become great with their intelligence and Rashad might be that guy.
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 25, 2009 6:36 PM CST reply actions
More importantly
Not all great Free Safeties have to be 200 pounds.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
ahhh....once again...If selected at # 69 of the 3rd round, then yes...He's a good pick at that spot.
He is not a good pick at # 51, I don’t care how much you like the guy, as he’s not ranked among the top 50 players, imo………I don’t understand all the hub bub, as I see him being there at #69, and if he’s not….big deal..last time I checked we had a pro bowl caliber FS recently signed to a multi year deal…
We need a strong safety to replace Roy Williams, not a free safety to replace Ken Hamlin.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 26, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
Not true
Hamlin can play either spot and I am not sure Dallas needs a true in-the-box safety. Dallas’ issues in the secondary revolve around making plays on the ball when it is in the air.
I don’t advocate a Safety at #51, but if we do go that way, it doesn’t HAVE to be a SS.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I agree, Hamlin would be a better SS
although in this day and age, SS and FS have to be pretty much interchangeable with respect to skill sets as both have to be able to cover and tackle equally well.
In Romo we Trust
Rumors say McBath is rising
…up many boards. Never saw him play, so I am relying on youtube and the kid sure plays faster on film than his 40 time would indicate. 7 INT’s this past year!
Might be a good 3rd round option.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Chung is Dung
USC made him look stupid, so did Cal and a few others.
The guy can’t make plays on the ball in the air and gets lost in coverage. He’s known for his hitting, but aren’t we trying to jettison a guy that has similar talents?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Could be something or could be nothing
But I noticed Mike Reilly is from Central Washington U, and guess who happens to have also gone there.
That’s right, our new backup QB.
Coincidence???
Yeah, probably.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
I saw Reilly play at West Texas A&M this year in the playoffs
That team was not that great, but he kept them in the game the whole time. He had a good TE (Bronson, also at combine I think) and a good WR…but that was about it.
He is mobile, throws a good ball and has nice arm strength. Obviously, he has the issue of level of competition, but I have little doubt that this guy will at least carve out a nice career as a capable backup.
Don't you ever damn call here again
In the drills
He seemed to be the only one who knew how to throw each route properly (i.e. which shoulder to throw over, proper height on the throw so the receiver could make a play, proper velocity) and in my mind, that is what separates the QB’s(assuming all other things are generally equal)…the mental part of the game.
Now, I’ve NEVER seen the kid in pads, so what do I know?
:-)
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

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