Forget about Leonhard and Scott
by Rafael Vela on Feb 23, 2009 9:25 AM CST
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Mike Lombardi writes in his "Diner Morning News" post this morning that the Jets, flush with cap space, have prioritized S Jim Leonhard and are expected to sign him immediately after free agency begins Friday Night.
He also writes that the Jets and Dolphins will "go to the mat" over ILB Bart Scott.
That rules both of them out for moves to Dallas, in my opinion. The last thing the Cowboys can afford is a bidding war on a free agent, given their limited cap room. Having two teams in pursuit means Scott will realize a superstar deal.
Look at the Raiders, who are cutting ridiculous contracts off their books. They paid good player superstar money and came to regret it. Dallas needs to pay superstar Demarcus Ware his superstar money and work to fill their gaps.
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I just started crying on the inside...
Those were the two Ravens that I wanted waaaaay more than Ray-Ray
by AikmanNailedMySis on Feb 23, 2009 9:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
If they're gone
would Ray-Ray and Wilson be good enough?
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by what_the_crap on Feb 23, 2009 10:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
ray ray won't come cheap either
not sure that Dallas can swing a really big deal unless it restructures some deals
and gets Ware worked out.
I DO appreciate the fact that they’re being quiet. No need tipping your hand. Just go about your business.
by Rafael Vela on Feb 23, 2009 10:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
You know one way to tell if Dware is serious about wanting Ray Lewis here is if
he structures his new deal have enough cap room for it to happen; but I doubt that is likely but it is not unpresendented that big contract players restructure their deals to bring in help.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Feb 23, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
How about Romo,TO and some of the others restructuring their contracts to bring in somebody. Not unheard of. Remember Aikman did it.
by texstar on Feb 23, 2009 11:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Larry Fitzgerald has offered to do it to keep Boldin in AZ
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
by dave33 on Feb 23, 2009 3:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Jerry seriously wants Ray here he will find a way to make it happen.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Feb 23, 2009 6:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I did not mean to leave them out, but yeah they are both big contract players.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Feb 23, 2009 12:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
To me, it really shows the character of a guy when they are willing to restructure
their contracts. Believe me, if you’re not willing to restructure, it tells me a lot about how bad you want to win. BTW, I agree Ware ought to be willing to structure his deal too.
by texstar on Feb 23, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what do you mean by restructure?
most of the time it means turn your salary for that year into a signing bonus spread over the remaining years. And anybody in their right mind would do that.
If you mean take less money, very few nfl players do that i think. Brady and Manning have, but thats because they made an absolute ton to begin with. b
by foyesboys on Feb 24, 2009 7:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm by no means a contract negotiator but believe me there are
ways to restructure your contract to make it more cap friendly. If it wasn’t mutually advantageous, they wouldn’t be doing it.
by texstar on Feb 24, 2009 9:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh well.
Leonhard woulda been nice, but a bidding war with the Jets would indeed be too spendy. Jerry has already spent a ton on the guys already here and we can go cheaper routes at both positions.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 23, 2009 12:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
How about Lawer Miloy..?
He could be an afforable pick up that could ad some decent depth at safety.
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
by gee-roj on Feb 23, 2009 12:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He's getting up there in age plus
he did awful against the Cardinals in the playoff game.
by texstar on Feb 23, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well
pretty much every corner/safety that had to go up against Fitzgerald had that problem in the playoffs.
In reference to how good the Steelers have been in their history: "No one is even close to them."- Steal Home
by hinduplaya on Feb 23, 2009 1:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather have Roy in on 3rd downs.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 23, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the last line of your post says it all
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 23, 2009 12:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Can someone explain Landry's avaibility?
Because he is someone I would be interested in more than Leonhard.
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 23, 2009 1:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He's:
a. not a free agent, and;
b. coming off a serious neck injury
by Rafael Vela on Feb 23, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yep...and if i knew his injury report, you'd like to know what tender they might give him...
2nd round tender might get several teams interested….we’ll know before friday…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 24, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so,
you would contemplate flipping the 2nd for him?
Too rich for my blood.
by Rafael Vela on Feb 24, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't really followed him much...not keen on guys with neck problems..
i would look into film, etc….didn’t say i’d fork over a 2nd…..but some teams might..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 24, 2009 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No flexibility
Overpaying the likes of Crayton, Hamlin, etc is coming at a dear price.
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 23, 2009 2:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
+100,thousand, trillion
'he nails an open three from the corner....just like you and me, this one was made by penetration' - Truthaboutit - Round 1 Game 5 Recap
by KDP on Feb 23, 2009 3:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
although i think the crayton deal wasn't really a bad one
Hamlin and Adams moreso IMO
'he nails an open three from the corner....just like you and me, this one was made by penetration' - Truthaboutit - Round 1 Game 5 Recap
by KDP on Feb 23, 2009 3:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry should stick to resigning players after losing seasons.
May get better deals than when you extend guys after 13-3 teaser years.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 23, 2009 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree on Hamlin
If he doesn’t bounce back in 2009, Jerry should have just lit his money on fire.
Him and Flo are the two guys I have a bad feeling will never play up to their contract.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 23, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you can add MBIII to the list of overblown contracts...
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 23, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I was going to say that but I was afraid of the backlash but since you said it first, I’m safe. LOL
by texstar on Feb 23, 2009 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Backlash!
MB3 and Flozell were injured last year. Hamlin wasn’t.
Barber will, hopefully, not be overused early in games this season, and Flo will have to prove that Dallas isn’t looking for his replacement so soon into his extension.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 23, 2009 6:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't get me wrong.
I love Barber, but honestly he was over-paid and it has nothing to do with being hurt because if they had used the three headed monster earlier in the season who knows maybe Barber wouldn’t have even gotten hurt? Barber is a great back, but not a take it to the house back. He doesn’t have enough speed to make defenses scared. It was obvious when Romo went down. IMO, if they would have had more speed, like Felix, it would have scared defenses more. I know this is rehashing, but for the kind of money that Jerry paid Barber, I expect an LT type of guy (before he started getting injured.) Again, I do like Barber, but I think Jerry overpaid.
by texstar on Feb 23, 2009 7:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When Jerry paid Barber he was the only back on the roster.
Who knew for sure we would have Felix and Choice at that time. He had to pay Barber.
by GloryDayz on Feb 23, 2009 10:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Believe, me I like Barber but it just seems that
we overpaid for him. I felt/feel part of the reason that Jerry gave Barber so much money was for the marketing aspects. I mean, look at the DC.com website. Who do you see? Barber.
by texstar on Feb 23, 2009 10:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
-1 Glory....we didn't need to resign him prior to the draft...
He was offered a hefty 1st & 2nd tender….to the tune of 2.2 – 2.5 million i believe…..They didn’t have to extend a long term offer at all,……If i knew I was about to aquire Felix and Choice, I wouldn’t even had extended the offer…I would’ve had him play out the year, and PROVE he was worthy of 7 million a year (which he didn’t AFTER being paid) ….About this time this year, we could have then given him an extention, or franchised him, and negotiate a possible trade for his services…
It’s all a bit too late now, he’s not going anywhere……….not very well played in my book..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 23, 2009 11:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I always thought
They needed to draft someone in the 2007 draft as it was likely that JJ was going and there was no other option. The Stanback or Marten pick would have been well spent on a RB to bring in and leave the team less vulnerable at the position at the end of the 2007 season. You haven’t managed the roster well when losing the very average and replaceable Julius Jones leaves you in a desperate situation.
This year, we are looking terribly thin at ILB, in a similar fashion.
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 23, 2009 11:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree, the LB position has been poorly neglected...
that Eric Walden selection last year just added insult to the whole scheme of things….they knew before last years draft that the LB corps as a whole was awefully weak in depth….this years crop of LB’s is one of the weakest in many years…….like i’ve said on other posts…IF we don’t get a Sintim or Matthews with our 2nd rounder, we shouldn’t even be worrying about LB till the mid to late 3rd, 4th, or 5th…
.Mike Mayock said he only has two LB’s (Curry is one) with first round grades, and rates all others 3rd round or later…..of course i don’t agree with that…but i do know there aren’t too many quality 3-4 MLB available….Right now I’m leaning towards Jasper Brinkley, who was impressive at 252lbs…He might not make it to the 4th round now, where i had him slated ( he may now go in the late 2nd round)…We very well may be better off trading down with our 3rd rounder(aquire even more later round picks, say an extra 5th), into the middle of round and select a McKillop or Brinkley, or trading up into round 3 with our first 4th rounder( and add a 6th & 7th or something) Jason Phillips looked decent too……..this draft is sure killing me…it’s a very important one for sure…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 24, 2009 1:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but in regards to barber's injury it was due to someone stepping on his foot
dislocating his toe; not because he wore down over the season. Then while trying to compensate for that injury he strained a different muscle which hindered him during the final games of the season. The fumbles are a bigger concern than him not lasting an entire season; he played through a rib injury without taking any time off in the early part of the season. Barber was not paid LT money, he was paid Micheal Turner money which is a little high but it was what the market beared. So did we overpay a little for Barber, yes but do not throw out the concept that he was supposed to be an LT.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Feb 24, 2009 8:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Barbers contract is alot closer to LT's than it is Turner's...
and Barber will never be mistaken for the next LT…and he’ll be hard pressed to stay in Turner’s range of productivity..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 24, 2009 9:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol....i'm used to the backlash....
heck, sometimes i provoke it….
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 23, 2009 8:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Barber is capable of taking over games.
Sure, it may be in the 2nd half, but remember AZ? With Felix and Tashard, the Cowboys will be able to use him less frequently in the 1st and 2nd quarter.
Look, all these guys can be viewed as “overpaid”. Jerry just wanted to ensure he had continuity by extending the contracts after 07. He didn’t know Hamlin and MB3 would have subpar years. He does need to let certain guys play out their contracts though, I agree—but not D.Ware.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 24, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh don't get me wrong,
I like Barber, but if we aren’t careful we can have a repeat of the 90’s by signing everybody up long term and not getting the results. Remember, we let go of Stepnosky at his prime ? Those kind of things. Am I making sense?
by texstar on Feb 24, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One difference though
When the cap was introduced in the mid 90’s Dallas already had a lot of big salaries, and they didn’t really know how to work within the cap system. The sudden retirements of Irvin and Aikman also hand-cuffed them.
Jerry and Stephen are very good at working the system properly now, I doubt they are doing anything that would risk causing the Cowboys to go back to cap hell. Plus the size of the cap has gone up over the years at a shocking pace.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 24, 2009 6:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, Jerry pulled a Al Davis with his own players last year....great move Jerry...
Should’ve waited on Newman, MB3 and Hamlin…..way to go..
by Boyzfan94 on Feb 23, 2009 7:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1...one thing me and Boyz always agreed on...
MBII was tendered (much like Canty was )…meaning…SHOW US something BEFORE we pay out TOP 3 RB money for you….blew that…
heck i wanted to tender MBII with a 1st rounder and hope we lost him, and sign Pro Bowler RB-Michael Turner for less money than MB signed for…but what do I know ?
Newman should have played out his final season of his original contract, and then franchised RIGHT NOW, IF a long term deal couldn’t be worked out, let him play out the ’09 year at the franchise price of about 9 million….leaving him about 33 by the time the 2010 season comes rolling along, with little or no bargaining power for big money…..blew that..
Hamlin should have played the whole season under the franchise tag of 4.66 million…alot less than he made, and regressed to the point of investigation into where his heart went ….blew that…
Flozell was a whole nother story…Jerry left himself with no towel in the shower and his cupboard was bare….Relatively decent contract paid for some over the hill servicable LT….who only has another year or two left in him..but he didn’t have a back up plan for OL….cuz he let Parcells pick 4-5 busts at OL……Jerry’s fault there…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 23, 2009 8:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree... on a personal level.....
you gotta respect Jerry for being loyal to his players…but from a business perspective he keeps on making the same mistakes repeatedly-showing the money too soon. He did it in the 90’s with Aikman,Emmitt,Irvin,Deoin. I don’t think he will ever learn. I don’t know why he hates to keep the franchise tag on some players. I always ends up biting him in the butt.
by texstar on Feb 23, 2009 8:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree on all points
A great post and you even left out the money wasted on Roy Williams (both of them)
by StillHateTheGiants on Feb 23, 2009 9:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's alot of shoulda, woulda, coulda.
Yeah, it sucks. I was in Vegas when I saw that they resigned Flo for that extension and it turned my luck at the tables.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 24, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Crayton wasn't overpaid.
It was like 4 years 13 mil. For a good 3rd string wr/capable 2nd string, thats a decent deal.
Hamlin, Barber, Newman and Flo got pretty darn good deals on their contracts last offseason for their productivity
by foyesboys on Feb 24, 2009 7:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the productivity of all 4 mentioned decreased after they signed those deals too..
Crayton, again was a player paid before we had to pay him…I saw a noticeable drop off in his productivity as well, particularly in the Giants game about a month after signing the deal…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 24, 2009 9:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You hit the nail on the head Numba...
once these guys are shown the money theire production goes down. Maybe, I’m old school and I don’t make millions, but logic would tell me wouldn’t you want to prove that you are worth that kind of money and maybe be a little grateful? BTW, as a side note, you never heard Newman mouth off like last year before he got his money did you?
by texstar on Feb 24, 2009 9:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and Newman didn'r exactly back up his new found riches...
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 24, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TO's numbers were
down after he signed as well, put him in that category
by cow_fanatic on Feb 24, 2009 4:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
uggghhh... don't even get me started on Newman....
I think were going to take a bath on his contract..
by Boyzfan94 on Feb 24, 2009 7:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OK
but I expect you to hold D-Ware to 20 sacks/year after he gets his new contract based on your theory. You pay players that have proven themselves on the field. It’s better than paying guaranteed money to a rookie who has never stepped on the field
by cow_fanatic on Feb 24, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If anyone deserves to be payed in this offseason by us its D-Ware
that’s the obvious, he’s proven himself for 4 seasons in a row
by Burt88 on Feb 25, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying he doesn't deserve it
I’m saying everyone’s opinion that players go south once they sign a big contract has to be consistent and hold D-Ware to that same standard. I don;t agree with that opinion.
Hamlin and MBIII proved their worth the year before they signed their big contract but everyone holds them to that same standard year after year which is probably not practical in most cases. You pay players based on what hey do on the field
by cow_fanatic on Feb 25, 2009 4:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Most of us need to calm down..
All players go through down years..If they continue to play poorly thats when we should start grabbing our pitchforks.
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 25, 2009 6:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't like giving MBIII that fat contract
At training camp, I think it was, We gave MBIII a 7 year, $45 million contract. I didn’t like that from the start. I thought it was dumb. The only game he’d started at the time of the signing was our last playoff game, against New York. We all knew what happened to MBIII when we gave him the start and the load, he gassed out. I like the deal Brandon Jacobs just got, that would’ve been perfect if it were 4 years $25 million. At least Jacobs started close to 2 seasons. Barber didn’t even start a game in the regular season and we pay him $45 million. Big mistake by Jerry there. But your right about Ware.
by Burt88 on Feb 25, 2009 9:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We all knew..
That Barber wasn’t going to shoulder the full load and he did put up 129 yards against the GMen. But it is a little much still.
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 26, 2009 2:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Newman mouthed off?
Please…I don’t call saying that all players and coaches need to step up and be accountable “mouthing off”. I’ll never understand why some many bloggers felt the need to jump on the guy for saying exactly what should have been said, and has been repeated by others in the organization.
Plus he suffered through his worst season because of injuries, or specifically one injury that wasn’t properly diagnosed for weeks. It wasn’t like he was out there coasting all season on his new contract.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 24, 2009 6:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't have a problem with
him saying that everyone needs to be accountable. However, he didn’t need to call someone “a rat” in the locker-room. Whether or not he meant the rate was Witten, that’s how it came across. I’m not picking on the guy, but everyone needs to keep their mouth’s shut. Sorry to disagree with you , even when your coaches are wrong you don’t say it to the media. It just tears the locker-room apart. It’s a respect thing and unfortunately too many athletes don’t have respect for their coaches and authority.
by texstar on Feb 24, 2009 8:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish they would keep a permanent gag order on the team
Then the media would actually have to report actual news.
Hmm, I wasn’t aware of him calling anyone a rat, but if he did I, think it’s inexcusable.
The comments towards the unnamed coaches were apparently due to Wade singling him out after a game during a press conference for mistakes. Respect should go both ways.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 25, 2009 7:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like we'll be on the losing end of FA
as in losing more players than we gain. I guess it remains to be seen if thats good or bad.
by Benthere on Feb 23, 2009 4:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Some Good
If we get some compensatory draft picks. Especially if Canty and Burnett go on to be starters somewhere.
by kindablue on Feb 23, 2009 8:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1...gotta love the compensary picks...
but people have to realize we might not get that much this season….cuz signing Zack Thomas pretty much negates the loss of either JJones or JReeves….I see us only getting one pick this season…probably a 4th rounder…
IF we lose Canty and Burnett and both start somewhere next season, but we go out and sign a S- like Wilson, or a LB like Lewis….we won’t get anything next year unless we don’t sign any FA at all…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 23, 2009 9:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How would Zach negate the loss of 2 players
who played entirely different positions? I thought the whole point of compensatory picks was to help replace that which you lost in FA at that particular position.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 24, 2009 12:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i believe they take the whole give and take into equation...
meaning, if we lost two eventual starters, but we also signed a few starter grade players…they negate each other…i’m, like everyone, not fully aware of the formula used, maybe each teams losses is the only criteria…if so, we should get at least two 4th rounders, and maybe even one of them a 3rd..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 24, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If this is true............then hello Bobby Carpenter..your starting ILB for the Dallas Cowboys....
Let’s here it you haters…………………lol
by Boyzfan94 on Feb 23, 2009 7:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
hey...if he's still here in the fall..more power to him...
There is nothing i’d like more is for Barbie Carpenter to show us something, and not go down as the biggest draft failure in the history of the Dallas Cowboys…because he’s one more training camp from being released here if he doesn’t make the starting unit…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 23, 2009 8:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Biggest Draft Failures
You won’t find me defending Barbie, but we’ve had some real stinkers over the years: Rod Hill in 1982; Shante Carver in 1994; or David “Hands of Stone” LaFleur in 1997, for starters. At least Carpenter is a decent special teamer.
by kindablue on Feb 23, 2009 8:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
dude...if you don't make one regular season start at the position you were selected to play and were drafted 18th in the first round...
YOU are the biggest failure in the history of the NFL…forget just the Cowboys…All the guys you mentioned had several starts are their positions at least….maybe they weren’t gems…but they made it on the field….they beat someone out to do so….heck…they were starters for pete’s sake…
special teamer ??? c’ mon guy..
and he’s far from decent..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 23, 2009 9:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You Can Argue for LaFleur and Carver Since
They started and performed awful on mediocre teams, mainly because Jerry couldn’t admit he’d made another draft mistake.
But Rod Hill never started a game in his career.
And Carpenter is actually a good special team, so he has value to the team, unlike any of the other three guys.
by kindablue on Feb 23, 2009 9:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ummm....
YOU are the biggest failure in the history of the NFL…forget just the Cowboys…
Drafting isn’t an exact science, guys like Polian (that’re known for drafting a lot of stars in their tenures) have admitted that it’s a 50/50 inexact science.
Saying that Carpenter is the biggest failure in Cowboys history is just as inexact (there have been several Cowboys busts) and saying that he’s the biggest failure in the history of the NFL is as right as saying that I’m a Steeler fan… Ryan Leaf says Hi!
by Chandus on Feb 24, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not gonna argue about it...
at least San Diego got some starts out of Leaf……..
but anyone who defends Carpenter is being silly..and drafting a LB in the top 20 shouldn’t be a 50/50 proposal….QB’s, WR’s, OLB pass rushers i can understand….LB’s and RB’s are some of the easiest to diagnose true talent…if you mess those spots up, you better fire your scout team….
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 24, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Did he deserve to start?
Or was there no one else there that could, so they figured they might as well see what the rookie has? I definitely don’t think Carpenter is the biggest draft bust in history, and I think it’s a good thing that we had other people at the position and didn’t need to start him if he couldn’t handle it.
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
by BigDinSC on Feb 24, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Biggest failure in the history of the NFL?
man, the hyperbole is awfully, awfully thick in here.
Let’s just put him in team context:
— Dennis Homan caught fewer than two dozen passes before the Cowboys dumped him.
— Tody Smith didn’t get any starts before the Cowboys tossed him after two years;
I have to ask, what’s your basis for deciding the “worst pick ever?” Because I don’t see:
— consideration of the monetary investment;
— consequences of the picks failure on an organization.
Bobby has the stenchy of failure about him. But that failure didn’t cost Dallas a whole lot of dough. And it hasn’t exactly de-railed the development of the organization.
And from my perspective, the worst pick in Cowboys’ history was Michael Walter. He could play — he finished with three Super Bowl rings — and Dallas cut him before his first training camp was over.
That pick hurt the organization more than anything Bobby Carpenter has or hasn’t done.
by Rafael Vela on Feb 24, 2009 12:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Danny Noonan?
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 24, 2009 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Barbie carpenter sucks....
and that’s my final statement on him.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 24, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying he's the biggest failure ever....
…for the Cowboys but there consequences for the Cowboys organization. If that pick is a hit at OLB, which it was supposed to be, then we don’t have to draft Spencer the very next year.
by Cash_BSR on Feb 25, 2009 9:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lol...
I will laugh if we don’t resign Zach and Carpenter wins the job and plays well…
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 25, 2009 6:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Carp will never play well inside
you will have to wait until he is traded to a 4-3 team
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 26, 2009 9:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Spencer hasn't exactly won me over either.....
but at least i know he’s servicable when healthy of course.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 25, 2009 11:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Spencer
He hasn’t done enough to win me over but I do think he will become a good player.
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 26, 2009 2:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just not in agreement with you...I though LeFlour was alright, (hand picked by Troy Aikman mind you)...back injuries twarted his career...
Carver was servicable, and signed for big money elsewhere………Rod Hill I’m not even going to discuss…you can ask 1,000 Cowboy fans who was the worst 1st rounder ever…and very few will even remember him..
For you to defend a top 18 pick because you think he’s decent in special teams is a bit laughable if you ask me…I actually think he sucks on special teams, and if you watched tape of him closely, you’ll see he’s never the initiator of contact, and is often the assisted tackler on any play he’s within reach of, and have seen him completely taken out of most plays, and of course he’s always good for an illegal block penatly …..My opinion is that he sucks…worse than anyone i can remember over the past decade…..is that fair enough ??
now that i excluded players from 12-25 years ago…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 23, 2009 10:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
ravens fans take:
You don’t want Ray at 34 and 13+ million. Not worth it. He was part of a system that allowed him to free range. Ngata up front, (Kelly Gregg when not hurt), Scott to a side, Suggs pressure, Jermiel McClaine (future stud), fast improving Bannon, Reed to mop up, Leonhard everywhere (5’8" 185 soaked), Nakamura/Zibakowsky rotation to keep Leonhard fresh…just a great system. Ray would be a GOOD player and his usual motivator self in new digs. He’d perform better in B-more. He added weight the past few years to defend the run so his pass coverage isn’t like when he hounded Eddie George. I think he’s up to 260ish.
Bart will get more than he’s worth. He’s good not great. The best #2 LB out there. Not a dominant point guy in my book. And there will be 2-3 walk-on Barts in the draft. So much attention on Ray I thought Bart would have had a deeper impact. Obviously, he pleased Rex and is being courted by the Jets. Again, a system guy?
Leonhard is an all-around player. Very good return man and plays like a morphed Lynch/Tasker. Tough but at his size not sure on longevity. Got a concusion vs. Tenn. in playoffs leading with his head. Out of Bart and Leonhard, I’d keep Leonhard and his versatility.
We have talented LBs to replace Ray/Bart (Gooden/Barnes) but Ray is just too damn knowledgable to lose at this point. We haven’t groomed an LB to replace him and that will hurt us if the money gets stupid. Which it will. I just hope we don’t sacrifice the future for a few good years. Maybe we can tie it into his future coaching career with us. I just don’t think a new team will benefit a great deal more with Ray. Ray is used to playing the Browns and Bengals twice (thats like 4 Sundays off) while knowing Pitt. extremely well. The Ravens have never been able to stop elite passing teams like the Patriots and Colts. But, Ray put the clamps on the Eagles and Skins which is the matchup you need. Hmmm.
by raven on Feb 24, 2009 12:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Awesome
Thanks!
No Ray Ray!
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 24, 2009 1:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
me too...i wouldn't pay 8mm / per for him.....
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 24, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's in a great defense
the Ravens DL is very good which makes the LBs look really good. Even Ray looks good behind their NT but Ray Ray’s a beast. Bart Scott can be replaced but you can’t replace Ray Ray
by Burt88 on Feb 25, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for your take - lots to think about
I love when a rival fan offers a measured perspective with no smack talk, etc.
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 24, 2009 11:12 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks..I enjoy it and since I’m a night owl, Nations in different time zones are much appreciated…if i want to get any type of real time feedback. My small B-more group are morning guys blogging on the clock lol.
by raven on Feb 25, 2009 12:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I disagree 100% on Leonhard vs. Scott
Why would you keep Leonhard when he will not only lose his job to Landry, but could most definitely get edged out by one of Nakamura/Zibakowsky?
Scott is a system guy, sure, but he is a great system guy who thrives in Baltimore. Once again, he is willing to take less money to remain with the Ravens, whereas Jimmy wants to cash in after one season in which he got opportunities as he was the worst player on the field outside of the CB rotation.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Feb 25, 2009 9:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
lol...
truthfully I didn’t even know about Leonhard till the playoffs cuz I knew Dawan was the starter at the beginning of the season…Now what can you tell me about how Dawan is doing coming back from the injury
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 26, 2009 2:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Ravens held off last year
And refused to put him on IR until late in the season. There were some reports that he could’ve returned by the playoffs, so I think he’ll definitely be ready by the start of the 2009 season. Ed Reed has had similar problems and been just fine.
My best game plan is to sit on the bench and call out specific instructions like 'C'mon Boog,' 'Get ahold of one, Frank,' or 'Let's go, Brooks.' -Earl Weaver
by Baltimo on Feb 27, 2009 6:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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