Combine in the Books, Cowboys Draft Picture Begins to Take Shape
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 24, 2009 9:34 PM CST
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As is the case every February, the NFL's annual scouting combine is the place where millions are both made and squandered by NFL hopefuls. Every year a few virtual-unknowns improve their draft futures with impressive workouts, and a few household names see their stock plummet after a week of poking and prodding. Though individual workouts and pro-days still lie ahead, this draft class has now at least begun to take shape. Now, for the first time we can begin to apply some educated speculation to the Dallas Cowboys' 2009 draft plans.
Inside linebacker is a glaring need for Dallas, but if Wake Forest's Aaron Curry and the almost equally impressive Brian Cushing (USC) create an early run on linebackers, the Cowboys may be forced to try to fill the need early on in day two. One player to watch in that situation is South Carolina inside linebacker Jasper Brinkley. Brinkley certainly did not hurt himself at he combine measuring out at 6'2" and 252 lbs., yet still managing a 4.72 forty. Most importantly, Brinkley displayed good strength (26 reps) and short area quickness (4.32 sec. 20-yard shuttle). Other second day options may include Pittsburgh linebacker Scott McKillop, LSU's Darry Beckwith, and UCLA's Zach Follett.
With Greg Ellis' future in question and incumbent Anthony Spencer still unproven, the Cowboys would be wise to add some depth at outside linebacker. Despite 11 sacks last season, Cincinnati defensive end Connor Barwin (6'4", 256) was a projected mid-to-late round selection prior to the combine. He would have a been fantastic middle round steal for the Cowboys but a stellar workout has almost certainly pushed him out of that range. Barwin logged the second fastest 40-yard dash (4.66) among defensive ends and showed the best short area quickness (4.18 short shuttle). Barwin is now probably the fourth or fifth rated 3-4 outside linebacker prospect in this years class, and with more teams moving towards the scheme, he may now be gone as early as round two. With many other more pressing needs, the Cowboys may not be able to justify selecting a non-starter with their first pick. Fortunately, this is an extremely deep year for hybrid linebackers so Dallas should be able to bag at least one in this year's draft.
During the combine the Cowboys were reportedly showing interest in Penn State wide receiver Derrick Williams. Once a second round projection, Williams has hurt himself drastically by posting pedestrian 4.58 and 4.67 forties. Meanwhile former teammate Deon Butler saw his stock rise after logging a 4.38. There are simply too many burners at the wide receiver position for the Cowboys too ignore the position in yet another draft. The ideal situation would be to grab a guy like Ole Miss' Mike Wallace (6'0", 199, 4.33) who can provide a spark in the return game while honing his craft as a wideout. The 2008 draft saw no wide receivers selected in the first round. 2006's wide receiver class had one first rounder. The position is trending downward as far as perceived value so the Cowboys should be able to land a solid prospect whenever they decide to take one.
We are finally beginning to learn a bit about this year's crop of defensive backs. One thing is for certain, they must eat good at the Davis house. Illinois cornerback Vontae Davis, younger brother of San Francisco 49ers tight end Vernon Davis, carried on the family tradition of blowing up the combine with a ridiculous workout. After a poor showing by Ohio State's Malcolm Jenkins, Davis is sure to be the first corner to come off the board.
Safety is a major area of need for the Cowboys, but the picture is still cloudy at the position. No prospect has separated himself from the group and there may not be a first rounder in the bunch. One guy who really helped himself has been Notre Dame's David Bruton (6'2", 219), who turned in a 4.46 forty and finished at or near the top of his group in all other tests. He is a realistic possibility for the Cowboys first pick, but it is tough to imagine feeling too great about selecting anyone from Notre Dame's 2008 defense. The Cowboys may have to take a long look at filling this need via free agency as the value simply may not be there by the 51st selection.
A few things really stood out at this year's combine, one being the lack of speed at running back. It is hard to imagine that not one running back was able to run under 4.45. Not one! Not even Georgia's Knowshon Moreno. Another thing that became evident at the combine is the fact that this is a great year for offensive tackles. If you were watching the individual drills you saw a lot of really good hand and footwork. The Cowboys are set as far as the starting five along the offensive line, but we learned last season the Cowboys don't have anything better than a warm body for a first alternate.
Say what you will about the overemphasis on the combine. It's true that you don't know who can really play until the pads go on, but even in a T-shirt and shorts, you can find out who can't play in a hurry. Game film is still the key, but the battery of physical and psychological tests at the combine give teams a way of comparing college hopefuls with certified NFL talent. With the combine coming to a close, we can now begin to develop a clearer picture of what the 2009 NFL draft may hold for the Dallas Cowboys.
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What's the word on Clint Sintim?
If you are beating a dead horse, you might be a Cowboys fan.
I was StarStruck at TBB/BSR, now...
by icStars on Feb 24, 2009 10:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Because it's the most immediate and important need,
I hope we can find a safety in FA. Even it’s just a solid/dependable guy-anyone to take over. No big splash necessary. Then take care of the other needs in the draft.
By the way, everyone talks about Hamlin’s dropoff-how’d you like to be stuck out there w/Keith Davis and the other stiffs on the other side?? The guy with the worst “metrics” ever? Hamlin probably had to take that into consideration.
Even RoyW looks good compared to KDavis, PWatkins, and whoever else, Courtney Brown?
by Realist Larry on Feb 24, 2009 10:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I’m pretty sure you put somebody even remotely decent back there with him and Hamlin would look just as good as he did on 07. I too was on the “man Hamlin really sucks” bandwagon until my dad talked me down, pointing out a bunch of nobodies played next to him all season long. KD is awesome on special teams, but that’s it. A solid strong safety would go a long way in fixing the problems on defense.
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by the red scare on Feb 25, 2009 3:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Its tough to play your job at a high level when your having to cover for another guy.
by squidlo97 on Feb 25, 2009 7:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, to an extent.
At some point, though, you need to focus on just doing your own job and doing it well. Your safety has to make a play on those 2 runs that Baltimore exploded on us, regardless of who else is on the field.
by Baked Potato Soup on Feb 25, 2009 9:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What's your take on Rashad Johnson from Alabama?
I wouldn’t mind seeing him in a Cowboys jersey in training camp.
by hiafex on Feb 24, 2009 10:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Rashad Johnson showed poorly at the combine,
not to say he won’t make some team happy one day….but it won’t be today, and i don’t think it will be in Dallas either. He sure didn’t put on 15lbs of muscle over the past month…i can assure you that, as his shape was nowhere what you want to see in a physical Safety. Did not look the part of an NFL free safety today. Next year maybe…but he was kinda exposed today…slow 40 , slow back peddle, slow recover, and some suspect ball skills…
That’s my take….I am sure there will be some “experts” that will point some of this out., somewhere in the media..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 24, 2009 10:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
None of the safeties
Really did anything to separate themselves from the pack. Delmas, Chung, Moore and Johnson had very comparable performances, based on what I’ve read.
Why does this please me? Now the individual evaluations can begin, and the Cowboys will likely have a player they like slip a little bit simply because he hasn’t done anything to acquit himself here.
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by Conjunction on Feb 24, 2009 11:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
William Moore-SS and Delmas-FS were clearly better than Johnson-FS and Chung-SS...
let there be no mistake about that…those two are for sure the best at their respectful positions…
If you want to add Jenkins and Sean Smith to the FS talk, then Delmas goes behind them, but there is no better SS canidate than Will Moore….
now it goes back to studying film on all these guys, and interviews, and pro days…..but there are clear cut leaders at this point..imo..from what I saw..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 24, 2009 11:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He was a leader in college
Dunno why the back-pedal would mean much in the Combine, just watch his game tape. 4.5 is a normal time run by a S in the 40 yard dash.
by hiafex on Feb 24, 2009 11:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
actually, at his size he should be running under 4.5, and he was closer to 4.6 from what i recall..
I don’t question his leadership and heart..He’s got great intangibles, and comes up big when they need him……he is not a physically gifted athlete…he’s an overachiever who’s done good. He was a walk on for a reason, ya know….If we pick him in the second round, i’d be disappointed…that’s all..
…and back peddle means everything to most scouts..as well as coming out of breaks, flipping and transitioning, taking right angles, latteral angle movements,, rounding out of your changes of direction, grabbing balls at their peak…etc. etc……the combine does show flaws in players…it’s up to scouts to decifer and adjust rankings…….
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 24, 2009 11:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather see game film than isolated performances from the combine
If he makes plays regularly on the field, that’s all I need to see. It’s hard to get the angles correct when you’re not playing against other players. It’s hard to see how those transitions effect him when he can’t be beat because he’s not playing against someone. 4.6 is still good for a S, if he were any faster, he’d be a CB.
by hiafex on Feb 24, 2009 11:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
About Rashad...
In college he played at 187. At the combine he weighed in at 203. Its quite a difference. He is a smart player and won’t get caught out of position and was team captain 2 years in a row. I think all the things Rnumba mention are much more important to a CB than a Safety. Now they are important but I want to see his pro day when he has had time to adjust to his extra weight before I label him.
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 24, 2009 11:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Do ya?
Do you think that fluid hips and backpedal are more important in a CB than a FS? Have you seen Keith Davis, Thong, Pat Watkins, Courtney Brown…? Have you seen Ed Reed, Laron Landry, Sean Taylor? ALL those players are safeties. Four I mention have stiff hips and slow feet, three I mention are fluid and quick and intuitive and fly to the ball to make plays. They’re not cornerbacks, they’re safeties.
It’s not only possible to be 200lbs to 225lbs and have fluid hips and a nose for the ball, it’s absolutely essential for a starting NFL safety, free or strong.
Wouldn’t you say that fluid hips and backpedal are more important in DBs than in LBs? Safeties play coverage, they must be able to cover. Period.
by Joey2zs on Feb 25, 2009 6:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention that taking good angles
is WAY more important for a safety. That’s why Thong has to horse collar everyone, because he takes bad angles to the ball carrier.
by Mandmeisterx on Feb 25, 2009 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But I see those qualities more
in CB’s than Safeties in college. It is difficult to get a safety like that out of college, but should be fairly easy to find a CB like that. If they have the qualities give them a shot at FS regardless of position played in college. I would rather see a smaller faster LB with good ball skills than what we have now at safety. Not every kid has the head or heart to play in the NFL, but to pass over a smallish fast LB or bigish slower CB because it is not their natural slot for safety will have us trying to find a plug and play player for years. We haven’t found a safety in the draft or FA since woody left so stop trying to and develop one who has the skills, but may not be familiar with the position.
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by GunsUp on Feb 25, 2009 11:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Have we drafted a safety on the 1st day since Woody?
by squidlo97 on Feb 25, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mr. Tony Dixon
second rounder
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 25, 2009 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Our best hope would be having CB Sean Smith-Utah come falling to us at # 51..
He has all the fluidity of a cover press corner, and the physical attributes you’d like to see in a rangy ball hawking Free Safety…He’s got that Steve Atwater, Carnell Lake feel to him…Big, strong, fast, and can lay you out with a hit, or take one the distance…
He’s got arms that look 4 feet long….i would love to know his wing span….Anyways..He’s the only Safety prospect I would actually trade up to get…If he makes it out of round 1….I pray Jerry is on notice….
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 25, 2009 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thats very possible
usually the tweeners tend to slide in most drafts
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by Terry on Feb 25, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
About Rashad
I was scared about his weight before combine he was at 187 which does not translate well for a FS but showed up at the combine at 202. I checked nfl.com to see what his time in the 40, bench press and other workout times but was unable to find anything but he was a very good player for Bama and was team captain 2 years in a row which is something we need. So I’m all for the Boys drafting him in the 2nd round. We might have to move up a few spots but I think it will be worth it. Also with him we could cut Roy and let Hamlin play a position a lil more comfortable for him as a SS.
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 24, 2009 10:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
About in OLB position
I like Quincy’s idea of Lawrence Sidbury Jr. and Glory I like how you added Jasper Brinkley…that guy will lay people out. He is probably second to Maualuga(sp) with the hard hits.
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 24, 2009 10:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I still like
the idea of converting a corner to safety. The safeties now have to have cover skills that not so long ago weren’t that important. Talk to some of the slower bigger corners that are on the bubble and bring one in as safety. Tell them this is their one shot at the show and if they want it they have to take it.
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by GunsUp on Feb 24, 2009 10:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Clint Sintim(my favorite going into the combine) didn't stand out as much I figured he would. I still believe he'll go late first round.
He was fine in drills, but didn’t blow you away with any times, or event numbers…
But if there was a word for his performance…like many at the combine…underwhelming is the word that pops in my head…
Does this mean he’ll fall to #51….doubtful…Is there a chance he gets to # 40 ?…possible….But now do we add a 4th rounder to our second to move up and snag him ??? …I don’t think so.
Glory was on the money with his first two mentions….IF I had to pick right now, our first pick would probably be projected OLB Conner Barwin, who has more upside and potential than any other athlete at the combine…The guy is a freak of nature at the pass rush position, seeing that he’s had less than one year even playing the position. i actually think he’ll end up going closer to the end of round one, or early-mid 2nd round, as he’s shot by English, Kruger, and Johnson as the next tier of outside pass rushers…I am almost willing to say he can eventually turn into an outstanding 3-4 ILB with time and the right coaching…he’s that gifted…6’4" 255 lbs ..4.66 40…37" vert, power and agility, excellent in all the drills, a little tight in the hips at this point, but athletic and a 24/7 motor……He would struggle in pass coverage at first i would imagine, but not all ILB’s are exposed to much coverage, outside of intermediate zone , etc, and i can’t imagine he’s any worse than Ellis, Spencer, and James in that regard……He’s a great pass rusher, just learning the defensive side of the ball…great hand and footwork…..Would be a demon on special teams (blocked 3 kicks) and could also fill in at H-back / TE / FB……as he was a TE for several seasons..and a damn good one…It would save about 3 roster spots just by drafting this guy…You can NEVER have enough pass rushers, and it wouldn’t be long before he’d take Spencer’s position, and we’d be able to eliminate Ellis immediately…saving 4 million in cap space….I am nowhere complete with my evaluation, and rankings….but my preliminary post combine mock looks something like this…
pre mock 3.0
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2) Conner Barwin – DE/OLB
3) Jasper Brinkley – ILB
4) Chip Vaughn – SS
4) Trevor Canfield – OG
5) Cornelius Lewis – OT
5) Sammi Lee Hill – NT
6) Everette Pedescleaux – DE
7) Joe Burnett – CB / RS
7) Jason Chery slot WR/ RS
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 24, 2009 10:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Nice
I think Brinkley put himself firmly into the 2nd round though.
He wasn’t on my wishlist before, but he is now.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 25, 2009 12:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is Barwin really worth a 2nd round pick?
Vaughn looked really good at the combine. Not sure he would be there in the 4th round.
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by houseofprime on Feb 25, 2009 1:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this will change again once i get more info, and more trends...
when we take care of our free agents, and see what extra picks we get..this would all change…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 25, 2009 6:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
btw...Barwin will more than likely go first round...Brinkley will more than likely go 2nd round...and Vaughn will most likely go 3rd round..
but this is how i see it now..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 25, 2009 6:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Barwin is gone by 51
no chance he lasts to 51 anymore. His 40 time was actually not his fastest ( the indy track/timing seemed to be off ) and you will see that on his pro day. He is gone by pick 40.
by alanTdot. on Feb 25, 2009 5:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
meh...
o well… I like that kid Sidbury better.
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 25, 2009 6:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's an awful high spot for a guy so raw.
Yet another hybrid designated pass rusher-type guy? And even though Carpenter was drafted to play OLB in Bill’s 3-4 (a key distinction, I realize) that would still mean the 3rd time in four years the Cowboys first draft pick was a guy initially tabbed to fill OLB. Besides, Barwin as you mention has only had one year playing the position. Pass rush freak or not, that tells me he’s raw and something of a project. I’d rather get a guy like that as a middle round steal than reach for him.
Now if the guy really was enough of a beast to have a legit shot at filling the ILB spot, awesome pick but otherwise picking a guy who shot up the charts in large part due to his freakish combine showing to fill either the OLB spot (which Spencer hasn’t even been given enough time to fill yet) or the ILB spot (a position Barwin didn’t even play in college) seems mighty risky. And time consuming in the time it would take to develop Barwin. A solid safety, on the other hand, could be an immediate starter.
Don’t get me wrong, getting another young edge rusher to compliment Ware and a solid safety to help out Hamlin are the two things that could make this defense into a stone cold killer. But spending another high pick on a hybrid that only played the position in college for one season? The Cowboys might as well think about going speed receiver at that spot since they haven’t even tried to draft one of those in a while.
by MadMick on Feb 25, 2009 6:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well...Risk Reward Factor is off the charts...Conner Baldwin will be gone long before # 51...so it's not just me who see's major upside and potential. If there was a Combine MVP...he's hands down winner.
We are not drafting a instant starter at # 51 no matter how you slice it down…
Once again..I’m not talking strickly a OLB….I’m talking a DE that can be used in 4 down nickle package, I’m talking 3rd TE, H-Back, and FB on many sub packages, saving at least one other roster spot. I’m talking a special teams ace who excelled in that phase of the game, and was team MVP and captain…
and to answer the other guy…Chip Vaughn in the 4th round is a steal….and not only could become a great SS, but also a nickle LB in the sub packages, and a terror on special teams.
And I agree Joe Burnett will more than likely not last til the 7th round, and will be moved up once our compensary picks are determined..I see him going early 5th round right now..
Vasquez will be there in the late 5th to early 7th…He’s got very slow feet, but strong as an ox…
btw…I don’t care if we draft a OLB ever year until we get it right. Carpenter was a huge mistake, and Spencer has yet to prove he can hold up for 16 games. plus there is always the need for pass rushers…that’s what this D is all about..Can never have enough…Ware needs a break once in awhile ya know, and Ellis may not be here in 4 months, and surely won’t be here in 2010…..so you start now with HIS replacement…It’s called thinking ahead…good teams do that.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 26, 2009 9:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+100, especially on the Chip Vaughn pick. Charles Davis projected him as more of a project MLB, but at 218 lbs and under 4.5 forty, he could really excell at the SS position. Not sure that Burnett will be there in the 7th, but that would be the steal of the draft if he did. Id also like us to pick up Vasquez from Tech if possible. 39 reps and one hell of a mean streak is ideal. In FA id like to pick up Chase Daniels’ Backup. i thik his name id Chase Potter. 6 5 amd a huge arm
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by D.WareDaWhiteWomenAt? on Feb 25, 2009 9:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol...
that blows my draft out of the water….
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 24, 2009 10:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
it will change another 3-4 more times before the draft though...
once free agency begins, who we lose, who we pick up, who we cut, what picks will be awarded, what other teams do, etc, etc….stay tuned..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 24, 2009 11:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Are the 2nd-3rd round NT's that underwhelming?
If there, I like the idea of the other BC kid.
Especially if we can address ILB and S (positions that require more development time for a rookie than NT) through FA.
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 24, 2009 11:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Follett
Cal Bear
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 24, 2009 11:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
My point was
he isn’t from UCLA
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 25, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am not a fan of Ron Brace, never have been, and he didn't impress me at the combine to think he's better overall than several positions I can pick...
value at NT to me is going to be in the 4th-5th rounds…and there are several i’d prefer over Brace… He has a history of back problems, and he’s strickly a two down guy, and offers no pass rush whatsoever, and before i hear anything on that, YES, it does matter, as well as short area quickness, stoutness, strength, and ability to shed or hold up two blockers.There is more to it than running some fat azz out there every so often in our base D..and that is the one position you can not have any back issues….I am not saying I wouldn’t welcome the big fella, but I wouldn’t waste a 2nd rounder on him, and I’d be hesitant with our 3rd…the VALUE is in the 4th-5th…you’ll see come draft day…
IF we address LB and Safety through free agency….then of course our selections, and targets will change….that’s why this is merely a post combine, pre free agency mock I put out there, based on what i’ve seen at the bowls and combine….
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 24, 2009 11:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, you'd prefer a passrush from your NT
But two of the perennial best, Casey Hampton and Jamal Williams, are completely one-dimensional players in every sense of the word and they get the job done fine.
It puts into perspective just how special Ratliff is. No NT ever puts up the sack numbers he just did. Imagine if we had a real space-clogger occupying two blockers, moved the Rat to an end position, with Demarcus getting double-teamed as much as he does? Holy heaven above, that’d be a nightmarish protection scheme.
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by Conjunction on Feb 24, 2009 11:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I respectfully disagree on Jamal Williams
The man is a beast, he stops the run in the middle, but he also pushes and sometimes collapses the pocket by himself. A true disruptive force in the middle.
I don’t think we need to find a guy with that much talent, but someone like Hampton, or Grady Jackson who can stand up double teams and let move Rat to DE beside Ware would be a nightmare for opposing teams.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 25, 2009 12:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we should have kept ferguson
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by TrueBlue24 on Feb 25, 2009 1:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1 Tom is on the money...I'm not talking sack totals..I'm talking completely collapsing the pocket, producing sacks from the outside..
Brace has a bull rush, and that’s it…that’s IF he can get leverage, and move two NFL linemen…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 25, 2009 6:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How about..
signing a guy like Grady Jackson to a vet minimum deal? We’re looking for a part time player anyway. Why not get a big lug who soaks up blocks for not a really high price?
by Ridgelake on Feb 25, 2009 7:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hey...no objections here...he's pushing 37-38 years old ??
there’s got to be a better solution…at least 5+ guys in this draft over 310lbs that can hold up the middle of the line…plusthe two beefcakes we already have on the roster..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 25, 2009 8:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Id be happy if we drafted Bruton
What are your thoughts? numba1?
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by aussie_cowboy on Feb 24, 2009 11:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Bruton was a 4th-5th round prospect
before he outran every safety. I think he will go much higher based on athletic talent than on the field performance. About NT…I want someone to occupy blockers to allow our ILBs to make plays near the line of scrimmage..that is a good NT. Rat blows up plays but can get pushed by the guard and center double teaming him which leads me to believe that he would have better numbers and our D as a whole will be better if we had a monster in the middle and Rat at DE. …and Rnumba I will redeem my poor draft
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 24, 2009 11:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
he still is nicholas....His times workouts made him a little more money....but he's very soft for a Safety...
If we wait til the 4th to go Safety…he’d be on the radar…but not before then…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 25, 2009 6:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One person who suprisingly wasn't invited to the combine
by quincyyyyy on Feb 25, 2009 12:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, what happened there
Did his invite get lost in the mail?
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by APerfectStar on Feb 25, 2009 12:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't know but I could think a few people who had no business being invited over him
probably coming from a small program hurt him. But gosh the kid had crazy production over the past 2 or 3 years at FAU. Don’t know what they were thinking.
by quincyyyyy on Feb 25, 2009 12:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I want to see...
what the kid has…alot of you guys are really high on him and all I know is that he put up nice stats the past few years…
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 25, 2009 1:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
NVM
That link showed me everything I need to know…that dude is a beast and the best part is watching him shed blockers.
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 25, 2009 1:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Conner Barwin at ILB?
Does anyone else think he could learn to play either OLB or ILB?
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by APerfectStar on Feb 25, 2009 12:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I should have read all of your comment on Barwin, Rnumba1
I see you think he could too.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 25, 2009 1:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
:-) very raw....but all the right measurables to be a dominant ILB in Wade's 3-4...
I really believe he can over time…but he lacks recognition skills, and supposedly isn’t a quick twitch guy, delayed reaction could hurt a ILB….but he’s more althetically gifted than most ILB in the league, imo
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 25, 2009 6:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Shaun Rogers anyone?
NFL Network’s Adam Schefter reports that All-Pro NT Shaun Rogers has grown so “disenchanted” with the new Browns regime that he’s asked the team to not exercise his $6 million March option bonus.
The Browns deny Rogers demanded his release, but failing to pick up the bonus would make him a free agent. It would also cause Cleveland a $9.8 million cap hit. Eric Mangini has reportedly reached out to Rogers in hopes of changing his mind. The coach did the same in New York with Laveranues Coles, but clearly the Mangini-Kokonis era has gotten off to a rotten start.
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=1819
by quincyyyyy on Feb 25, 2009 12:51 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
That would be sweet.
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by stoproyce on Feb 25, 2009 12:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be nice
but would you rather have him or Ray Lewis?
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by houseofprime on Feb 25, 2009 1:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I think that as long as he is on a team that has a chance to win it all he will play his best. He started out the year playing hard against us but I’m sure he is tired of being on bad teams.
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 25, 2009 1:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Give me Rogers
He’s younger by a good margin, was very productive for a bad team, and apparently the only reason he’s been unmotivated is the fact that he’s played for bad teams. Look how well he played for Cleveland, who he assumed had a chance.
He’s a singular player in this market; there are no NTs, and we’re very unlikely to grab a NT in the draft who can immediately contribute. We won’t draft a linebacker of Ray’s quality and FA doesn’t seem to have one at the ready, but It’s a position that can be played competently by others.
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by Conjunction on Feb 25, 2009 8:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1 I was was the biggest, and probably only proponent of bringing in Rodgers LAST season, but was shot down dramatically by the masses at BTB's
maybe a pro bowl type ‘08 season has swung some thoughts my way….I’m all for getting Rodgers, who is the ideal, and one of the best NT in the entire league, and would come at 50% less than Haynesworth.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 25, 2009 8:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"the eyes of Texas are upon you".....
just joking but somebody a couple of weeks ago was saying how all the UT players are over-rated.
by texstar on Feb 25, 2009 9:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rodgers is the protypical NT in a Wade 3-4...stout and a major disruption and rush presence..
he could be had for the right price…but i really doubt Cleveland will trade him…would cost over 9 million on their cap…hard to swallow…as we know this the major reason why Jerry would never let TO go..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 25, 2009 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Cap has nothing to do with T.O.
we would have just as much cap space without T.O. as we would with T.O.
by quincyyyyy on Feb 25, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Quincy,
First off, I was joking. Second, if the Browns let Rodgers go they will lose 9mil in cap space. I was jokingly saying, that if we traded TO to the Browns it would be a wash because of his 9 mil cap.
by texstar on Feb 25, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder....
If little Danny Snyder can get far enough under the cap to sign Haynesworth we can get under the cap enough to trade for if he isn’t cut. We all agree that we are going to use somewhere between a 2nd and a 4th round pick for a NT why don’t we try to use whatever pick we were for a rookie NT to try and grab a proven NT.
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 25, 2009 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My main problem with this....
for the amount of money that it will take to sign him would you get a good return on your investment. In 7 years, he’s only played the whole season once-his rookie season. Not saying he’s not a great player, but for the amount of money you have to pay the guy, be very cautious.
by texstar on Feb 25, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nic, sorry I misread your comments
I thought you were talking about Haynesworth/not Rodgeers.
by texstar on Feb 25, 2009 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There's no way we would trade for him because he has a huge bonus
coming. In addition, we wouldn’t want to take on his 9mil salary IMO. If dropped totally different story but that won’t happen either.
by texstar on Feb 25, 2009 3:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
His salary wouldn't be 9 million, btw.
but Cleveland can’t release him or trade him without taking a huge hit…I don’t see him going anywhere…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 25, 2009 8:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I stand corrected....
According to Adam Schefter, it would count more than 9.7 against their salary cap….which he isn’t projecting them doing.
by texstar on Feb 25, 2009 9:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wow..
well Cleveland isn’t known for being genius’ in football.
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 25, 2009 9:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather have Rogers
Ray Ray is old and it is easier to find a good ILB than a good NT.
by quincyyyyy on Feb 25, 2009 8:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. As much as I would love having Ray
A solid NT like Rogers makes things easier for ILB’s. Heck I think it was after Adams left and before Ngata was drafted Ray complained for years about the need for a big NT.
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by pretty ricky on Feb 25, 2009 9:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Me too.
In fact, NTs like Rogers make ILBs look better.
by Baked Potato Soup on Feb 25, 2009 9:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
its unanimous. Rogers can make whoever we plug into the middle look tons bigger. I wonder if we could afford him and ware and a vet qb?
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by stoproyce on Feb 25, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
better not bigger
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
by stoproyce on Feb 25, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Again..
If Snyder can sign Haynesworth we can sign all 3 easily
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 25, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Question
I haven’t had a chance this year to be completely submerged in the draft, so I had a couple of questions.
because of Dallas need at Safety are we going to reach at Safety? What is our best bet? Moving up to be sure we secure a talented safety? Or can we stand pat at 51 and find one?
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by Wmillion on Feb 25, 2009 12:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Just my opinion
But I don’t think we’ll have to move up to get a safety. In fact I don’t even think they need to take one in the 2nd round if a better talent at LB or DL or OL drops.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 25, 2009 1:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We might take one in the second round
but we won’t move up for one, maybe if Moore slides and the Cowboys scouts love him but I don’t think the dice will fall to where we will want to move up to take one.
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 25, 2009 1:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As someone who's watched a lot of Penn State football
If Derrick William’s forty time pushes him to the 3rd round, we could have a true deep threat at great value. I don’t care what the stopwatch says, I’ve seen him fly with pads on.
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by BigDinSC on Feb 25, 2009 1:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
It will probably hurt him
Everyone saw what happened to Manningham last year
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 25, 2009 1:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As someone else who watched a lot of Penn State football,
I was never really impressed with the guy in college, especially considering all of the hype he received. He was a very dynamic return man, but probably only the third best receiver on the squad. Very inconsistent, dropped a lot of catchable balls, and seemed to disappear at times, unless they had plays called that were designed to get the ball in his hands, i.e. screens, reverses, etc.
by Mandmeisterx on Feb 25, 2009 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Deon Butler
might be more of the kind of slot speed player we are looking for…
by commoncents on Feb 26, 2009 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For those of us
Not so well versed in this years prospects
here is a link to the Combines Top Performers:
http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performers
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by TrueBlue24 on Feb 25, 2009 1:30 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
anyone know where to get
full combine results, not just the top performers.
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 25, 2009 1:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.gbnreport.com/combineblog.html
That has most of the forty times, with notes on some of the other drills. GBN usually puts together a list with all of that stuff in the days after the combine
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by BigDinSC on Feb 25, 2009 1:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Stick with game tape
Combine is all spin, just because someone can run fast in a straight line doesn’t mean they can play football. What counts is production on the field.
NFL history is littered with draft busts that have flown up the draft boards based on ONE WORKOUT (the combine). You have to look at a players whole history of performance.
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by BoyfromOz on Feb 25, 2009 2:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The Combine is important
It just cant be the be all end all. I think the combine is more about eliminating the bad prospects. If a corner shows up and runs a 4.8, he’s probably not an NFL corner. It’s a good time to look at guys footwork, and compare them physically to NFL players. I do agree, there are too many guys who shoot up the board on the strength of workouts.
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 25, 2009 4:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So you noticed Eric Allen hates on the Boys too.
Hes a pretty underrated Cowboys hater.
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by houseofprime on Feb 25, 2009 6:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He could be hosting the Iditarod
and still find a spot to slide in a Cowboys jab.
HATERADE: Two scoops of Eric Allen, add water and stir.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 25, 2009 7:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah. interesting that both he and cris carter both happened to start their respective NFL careers in philly.
that plus the fact that they work at BSPN = Cowboy haters
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by silverblue5 on Feb 25, 2009 8:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If a corner is running a 4.8
maybe he needs to look at safety if the size and quickness are there. Of course he would need to have a little bit of hitting ability too.
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by GunsUp on Feb 25, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know it's a little cinematic
But it looks like this Bruton kid at least has his head on straight.
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 25, 2009 6:22 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Your thoughts on Micheal Jenkins 40 time?
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by Wmillion on Feb 25, 2009 10:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He'd look good at safety for us
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 25, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I will say...
Jenkins could become an Ed Reed type of player….might not be much in the run game but a great center fielder….I’m not saying he can’t play the run..just saying he might not be able to.
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 25, 2009 6:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tiquan Underwood?
Where is he projected?
He seems to be unnaturally gifted as far as the combine measurables go.
by Joey2zs on Feb 25, 2009 7:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
as a RU season ticket holder and alum
he would be a good late round pick… 6th or 7th.. hes not real strong but is about 6’1" and 185 and has pretty good hands.. Would love him in the slot (where he lived in college).. His 40 time, vertical and shuttle times were great, but he only put up 7 in the bench press (as opposed to 23 by his teammate Kenny Britt). Would love to see the cowboys take a chance on him late
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by Jtiner09 on Feb 25, 2009 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree that draft picture is clearer for the Cowboys
Until free agency comes and goes, the draft picture is still very much cloudy. We have to wait and see who the Cowboys sign before we can project who they will select, at least early anyway.
Also, I’ve heard many times on this blog that 11 rookies won’t make the team so Jerry will attempt to trade a lot of those picks. While I agree that Jerry will be wheeling and dealing on draft day, I disagree with the premise that there aren’t a lot of spots available on this team for rookies.
While the vast majority of starting positions are set, we have absolutely no depth on this team whatsoever which is a big part of our problems. The only positions that we have depth is at RB and TE, every other position, we’re pretty thin.
To me there are at least 11 back up positions that will be available for rookies to win a job and they include QB, (2) OL, WR, (2) DL, (2) LB, (3) DB
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by Terry on Feb 25, 2009 7:25 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1 totally agree with everything Terry said...
I actually prefer we use up all or most of our selections, and try to get better, as far as depth goes, throughout the entire lineup….exactly the positions he mentions as well…I bet at least 8 players can make this roster in spots of need. We want change, let’s get better, deeper, and younger…get rid of the Berger’s, the Proctor’s,the McQuistan’s, the Rodger’s, the Watkin’s, the Ellis’s, the Henry’s, the Roy’s, etc….Maintain the core starters, maybe add a few spots (NT, ILB, SS) and clear out all the underperforming, underwhelming, overpaid, wasted roster spots and build up a sustainable roster for the next 4+ years…
We should trade up in the 2nd, trade down in the 3rd, trade up in the 4th and 5th, and wheel and deal the 6th and 7th, either up or down or defer to 2010…..but with hopefully added compensation picks, we should land at least 7 top 175 picks that have a real chance or making, and helping this team..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 25, 2009 9:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Terry You're Scaring Me
This is the second time in a week I strongly agree with your post.
We definitely need to add depth and special teams energy. I will go beyond your statement and think several of the starters could get pushed by the young guys. Spears, FS, WILB, Kosier and Anderson come to mind.
by kindablue on Feb 25, 2009 10:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yep...those are the positions that need quality competition, and should be open to be unseated..
I would at least try Spears at NT, Have Ratliff move outside, and look to draft one of the many fine looking 3-4 DE’s prospects available in rounds 2 & 4, and have him fight out the starting job between Hatcher and Bowen in training camp…way too many starters here with nobody to push them out of their spots….that there in lies the problem….all got fat wallets, with little fire or motivation to get better, or play harder……
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 25, 2009 10:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They tried this in camp and did it a couple of times during the season
swapping Spears to NT and Ratliff to DE.
It never lasted more than a couple of plays. I think they like Rat outside, but are not
convinced about Spears inside.
by Rafael Vela on Feb 25, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I get the feeling
they are not comfortable with Spears anywhere. I understand that DT is not a “Glamour” position, but Rat makes it look like it. I would just like to see Spears do half the stuff that Ratliff does.
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by GunsUp on Feb 25, 2009 11:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know this is water under the bridge, but that is why I hated to lose Ferguson.
I know that he’s getting up there in age but we would have had more flexibility with Rat at DE.
by texstar on Feb 25, 2009 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
We would still need a NT this year, but Z Thomas would have been covered better last year, and Rat not having to fight doubles at DE. Yeah, that would have been nice.
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by GunsUp on Feb 25, 2009 12:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My memory seems to have faded...
Why did we trade Ferguson to Miami in the first place?
by texstar on Feb 25, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So that Jerry
could show everyone he is still a super good pal of the Tuna.
Hey, have a TE and and ILB as well.
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 25, 2009 12:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
really ?..in the base ?..i never noticed...didn't think he'd hold up as it is...
I don’t see us bringing back Spears after his contract is up anyways, like Canty, will be asking for much more than he’s worth to us….We really need to shore up a DE and a NT this draft…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 25, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He might sign back with us...
Depending on how he feels but most likely if Canty gets a big contract then he will try to get the same.
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 25, 2009 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
It’s possible. I think Canty has still got the chip on shoulder for sliding from a projected 1st rounder to a 4th rounder becasue some drunken fool hit him in the face with a beer bottle, thus “red flagging” his character. Imagine, a 22 year old in a bar! How scandalous!
by WB3forMB3 on Feb 25, 2009 6:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
His best bet is a 2 year contract
At a decent price, then try again for a big contract
by AustonianAggie on Feb 25, 2009 9:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont know
He may get a big ole slice of cake with as many teams as there are converting to the 3-4. Supply vs. demand and all.
by WB3forMB3 on Feb 25, 2009 9:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
He’s hitting the market at the right time to rake in the cash. One of these 3-4 teams will offer him a lot of $$$ based on his youth, experience, and potential.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 25, 2009 10:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
WR?
Really? I don’t see how the Cowboys aren’t 4 deep there… TO, RWII, Hurd, Crayton.
by Joey2zs on Feb 25, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
5 counting Stanback
yes..he will be on the roster..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 25, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would actually like them to re-sign Hurd
He’s still only 23 or 24, and he knows the system, helps on ST, and shouldn’t cost much.
If TO does stay, we’d have TO, RW2, Austin, Crayton, Hurd, Stanback. Any rookie brought in would have a tough time beating any of them out. So that would open up a spot on the draft board to address other positions with real need: LB, S, OL ,DL
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by APerfectStar on Feb 25, 2009 3:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember Hurd from 2007
He played well in situations…its sad that the last image we have from this year is him letting the ball go through his hands on the onside kick in the Washington game.
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 25, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Replace that image with this one
Lights out!
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by APerfectStar on Feb 25, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I like that one...
a whole lot better…wait..wait..alright its replaced.
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 25, 2009 6:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We killed the Bears in 07
but that was the most resounding image from that game for me, too.
Epic Fail since 1985
by the red scare on Feb 25, 2009 7:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LaVernius Coles just got cut by the Jets....
Any takers? Dolphins might be interested in him because of Pennington.
by texstar on Feb 25, 2009 4:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah....
Hurd is younger, cheaper and basically the same player
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 25, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One major difference...
Speed….younger and cheaper but not speed. Cowboys wouln’t go after him though because he’ll want starter money.
by texstar on Feb 25, 2009 4:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thats pretty valid... and coles has had good years
by AustonianAggie on Feb 25, 2009 5:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But he is on the back end of thirty
and he isn’t the physical freak TO is
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 25, 2009 6:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was just throwing it out there because I don't think Coles would be affordable.
That being said, I would find someone with more speed than Hurd. He’s a good solid receiver but before he got hurt, he had not progressed as much as Austin. If you feel that we need another receiver, I would go with someone faster in the lower rounds.
by texstar on Feb 25, 2009 6:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Coles would definitely be an upgrade over Hurd but he'd be too pricey for an old man.
by MadMick on Feb 25, 2009 6:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the only problem i have with Hurd
Is he is the same player as Crayton with less experience…
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 25, 2009 7:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Crayton's hilarious
Hurd isn’t. I don’t get the animosity. Why can’t Crayton speak when he feels like it? Where is that written? Win, lose, or draw, the man is free to do whatever the F he chooses.
by Joey2zs on Feb 25, 2009 9:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
true, but he is younger than TO....
he’s 31 BTW.
by texstar on Feb 25, 2009 9:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hurd doesn't compare to Coles at all...
heck, i’d trade Crayton, and sign Coles..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 25, 2009 8:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder what cap hit
Crayton will be. He is solid and it seems Jerry might want Marvin Harrison
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 25, 2009 8:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You got that right....
in a NY minute. They were saying he really wants out of the Jets.
by texstar on Feb 25, 2009 9:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LBs
Every team in Texas Needs Line Backers and I guarantee you someone else other than the Texans will snag one, so all of those second day guys have a great chance of becoming a Cowboy.
by thesportsguy on Feb 25, 2009 7:27 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Inside LB?
I just noticed that the Chiefs cut Donnie Edwards.
He played the inside for San Diego back when Wade was DC.
Any chance Dallas takes a look at Donnie?
by Prime-Time on Feb 25, 2009 7:39 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Phillips didn't pick him up last year
He was a FA, now he’s again a FA, nothing has changed from year to year.
by Chandus on Feb 25, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
FRANTZ JOSEPH
we could have him for a second day pick and it will be a steal
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 25, 2009 3:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I really like this kid
seems to always be in the right spot
by Nink on Feb 26, 2009 6:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+2 I really like this Joseph guy...He'd be my ILB if we don't get Brinkley or McKillop before round 4. Heck...I'd select him even if we did already take a LB, as I want two LB's anyways..
here’s some Senior Bowl practice footage…me like, I see a poor man’s Ray Lewis in this dude…
http://draftguys.com/index.php/articles/dgtv_1/frantz_joseph_-lb-_florida_atlantic/
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 26, 2009 9:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
combine to me
Strong class for Centers, RBs, WRs, hybrid LBs, S
Weak class for DT, CB, DE, OT, OG
QB, TE, OLB, ILB, K???
Think we must consider C, hybrid LB, WR and Safety with our picks as value dictates.
by sam0807 on Feb 25, 2009 10:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
How about the young DE from last years camp
I can’t remember his name but he was the one who was wrongfully convicted of a crime for rape or something????
Seems like he had good size and quickness? May just need a chance to play
by Nink on Feb 25, 2009 10:55 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Marcus Dixon was his name I think.
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by BigDinSC on Feb 25, 2009 11:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's still on the practice squad
by AustonianAggie on Feb 25, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They signed him to the active roster
He’s protected from being claimed by another team.
I agree, he’s someone to watch for in camp this year.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 25, 2009 3:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that's his name
I hope he get’s a shot, that young man has been thru a lot and seems like a player to me.
by Nink on Feb 25, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He didn't stand out
either good or bad in camp so I think he has a legitimate shot at making the squad this year
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 25, 2009 3:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mayock's
top prospects at each position:
by tyler2 on Feb 25, 2009 10:55 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Any Buzz on Gibril Wilson?
I liked the thought that Raf had on bringing this guy on board? Has anyone heard anything about us chatting him up now that Da Raidahs have cut him?
by Swirvin on Feb 25, 2009 1:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I Think He Needs to Clear
Waivers first, otherwise we pick up his existing contract.
by kindablue on Feb 25, 2009 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You are correct sir, no team wants any part of that contract.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Feb 25, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
waivers will be over before FA begins..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 25, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So why
is Wilson an upgrade? I’ve heard the name before, but I’ve also heard of Roy the Thong Williams too. Why is Wilson so special?
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
by GunsUp on Feb 25, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he's just better, and one of the better cover safeties the last few years
He’s not Ed Reed but he’s pretty good, and would be an immediate improvement
by AustonianAggie on Feb 25, 2009 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's good but,
is he going to cost more than he is worth. I’m getting tired of Jerry playing Al Davis Jr. He has had a tendency to overpay for players of late.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
by GunsUp on Feb 25, 2009 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He pays what he feels they are worth
And the players played up for their contracts… Hamlin, Newman, and Barber all looked to be our longtime future at their respective positions and Jerry didn’t want to lose what most of us felt was a good core group of guys to win a superbowl.
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 25, 2009 3:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I love me some Jasper Brinkley.
He’s one of the lone bright spots from perpetually bad Gamecock teams.
by Johnny Cage on Feb 25, 2009 2:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Brinkley is my new favorite LB....
unfortunately, he’s also on the radar of every other team too…2nd round selection….hopefully..# 51..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 25, 2009 2:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
come draft day
you’ll be pulling for Brinkley, I’ll be pulling for McKillop, I’d be happy with either one.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 25, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Brinkley will go too high
and I don’t want to use a 2nd round for him when we can get a similar guy later in the draft. McKillop is cool but he will probably go early fourth and I would rather use our later 4th for ILB on a guy like Frantz Joseph
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 25, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
McKillop will be a 2nd or 3rd rd pick
no way he lasts until the 4th rd
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 25, 2009 4:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Your probably right..
the combine helped him out.
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 25, 2009 6:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mark Parson (CB) anybody?
Obviously there are bigger needs this draft but we do need another corner I’m pulling for us to nab him at some point. He’s smallish, but he could be a good addition.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQna3hFO3A4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYGnXm3zE_E
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=72629&draftyear=2009&genpos=CB
by sublimezg on Feb 25, 2009 4:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
We usually draft CBs in the later rounds..
so we might pick him up…he runs an adequate time.
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 25, 2009 4:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
My late round CB gems are Chris Owens of San Jose St, and Joe Burnett of Central Florida.
If we get either in the 5th round or later, they would be steals..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 25, 2009 8:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BTW, I'm not familiar with Eugene Wilson....
but Sirius (Jim Miller was saying that he is a good physical hybrid safety/corner that is a FA from the Texans and he’s only 27 yrs old. He played for the Patriots for 5 yrs. and 1 yr for the Texans
by texstar on Feb 25, 2009 9:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe a veteran's minimum
on him and have him compete to make the roster in training camp..who knows we might find a gem
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 25, 2009 9:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Austin, Bowen, Hurd, and Proctor get 2nd round tenders.
by houseofprime on Feb 25, 2009 7:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
2nd Round tenders
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Feb 25, 2009 7:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Man I fouled this up.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Feb 25, 2009 7:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
WHAT.......
Hurd could’ve been kept with a low tender…Proctor should go work for some insurance company…I don’t mind Austin and Bowen getting the 2nd round tenders but I think Bowen couldve been kept with a third
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 25, 2009 7:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
See this is
the Al Davisesque move that Jerry makes to get me to wonder what is he thinking?
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
by GunsUp on Feb 25, 2009 7:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I cant see any reason why we are trying to retain Proctor
HATERADE: Two scoops of Eric Allen, add water and stir.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 25, 2009 8:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Me either...
Maybe they want to see if Al Davis is dumb enough to scoop him up. Proctor will probably be cut at the end of camp anyways so why not try to get something
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 25, 2009 8:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
retain Proctor?
Who is going to play center if Gurode gets hurt? Joe Berger, I didn’t realize he was still on the roster. Proctor may just be a body, but he is better than no body.
by DaBoys on Feb 25, 2009 8:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lol true...
but a 2nd round tender…really
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 25, 2009 8:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta cover your butt with something....
All I want is some linemen in this draft (Oline and Dline). If I have to settle for one last year of Thong and Barbie playing then I will suffer through it.
Hopefully Da Boys get a couple of picks for who they lost last year, and can still draft a LB or two also.
by DaBoys on Feb 25, 2009 8:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I want to see at least 3 lineman get drafted.
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 25, 2009 9:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh please let some team make an offer for Proctor
A zone blocking team maybe???
Ahh what a dream!
Feb. 18-24 -- NFL Scouting Combine
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Feb 25, 2009 10:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just saw that the salary cap is going up by $4 million
So I guess we may have a few more options available to us now
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
by BigDinSC on Feb 25, 2009 7:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
We should..
.Just hand it too Demarcus right now
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 25, 2009 7:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
where did you see that Big ???
I am pretty certain this years cap is the same as last years 123 million.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 25, 2009 8:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oops sorry
I tried to post the link the first time and i guess it didn’t work.
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
by BigDinSC on Feb 25, 2009 8:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nor did it work that time, i guess just copy and paste it into the browser
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/02/25/salary-cap-climbs-even-higher/
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
by BigDinSC on Feb 25, 2009 8:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
now im annoyed
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
by BigDinSC on Feb 25, 2009 8:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just cut the link address and paste it in
But I do hit the preview just to make sure it works before I post.
Feb. 18-24 -- NFL Scouting Combine
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Feb 25, 2009 10:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's been a long time since
I have posted. I’ve been reading though. What are the chances Parcells picks up Austin?
by Musiccitynorm on Feb 25, 2009 8:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Low
Second round tender is a high asking price for a receiver with injury issues who has never been anything other than a deep threat.
Don’t take that as a rip on Austin, I love him going forward and could see him doing big things for us. But It’s hard to justify giving up a #2 for him.
Kanye, you want to be the voice of this generation? Get in line! It goes me, Obamagirl, the Freecreditreport.com guys, then It's a tie between you-and Crocs.
-Stephen Colbert
by Conjunction on Feb 25, 2009 8:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you saying Austin isn't better than all these projected 2nd round rookie Wideouts ??
Miami is in serious need of WR’s, especially a deep threat……don’t be surprised when Austin is snagged….Miami does own 2- 2nd rounders….No skin off their back,
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 25, 2009 8:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
good. I'd love another 2nd rounder
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
by BigDinSC on Feb 25, 2009 8:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not me - Miles is better than the 2nd Round Recievers
why not the other players
by AustonianAggie on Feb 25, 2009 9:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Look at this objectively
Austin has 354 CAREER yards. In 3 years. He hasn’t proven consistent nor resilient enough to be thought of possessing the same value as a second round pick. I like Austin, but I would in a heartbeat take a second round pick for him.
Kanye, you want to be the voice of this generation? Get in line! It goes me, Obamagirl, the Freecreditreport.com guys, then It's a tie between you-and Crocs.
-Stephen Colbert
by Conjunction on Feb 25, 2009 9:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's definately shown us something in 3 years and is a player Dallas has developed
I’ll go down as saying Miles Austin will be the 2nd or better on WR on Dallas’ roster at the end of the year, in yards
by AustonianAggie on Feb 25, 2009 9:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Flashes of losing Jimmy Smith come to mind
by WB3forMB3 on Feb 25, 2009 9:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he's the big bodied, consistently grab the ball short guy
I think he’s big play guy, a bigger Santana Moss
by AustonianAggie on Feb 25, 2009 9:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I didnt mean he remind sme of Jimmy Smith per se
I meant it more in light of we develop a receiver and someone else gets to reap the benefits
by WB3forMB3 on Feb 25, 2009 9:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats a pretty bold statement
with T.O., RW2 and Witten here.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Feb 25, 2009 9:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling Miami will go after Coles
because he played with Pennington. Remember, Coles was really upset when they cut Pennington last year. Also, it’s kind of unusual that he went and asked to get out from under the contract (6mil) unless you already have something lined up. I mean would you say let me go if you didn’t have something pretty sure? I don’t think so.
by texstar on Feb 25, 2009 9:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
its not about...
Austin not being better than 2nd rounders, its based off the fact in the draft you can find a great player anywhere and Miami has more needs than just a WR.
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 25, 2009 9:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why the hell
is Jerry Jones in Philly at a time like this?
HATERADE: Two scoops of Eric Allen, add water and stir.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 25, 2009 8:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Marvin Harrison
He lives there…But I don’t know why we would want to pick him up as well
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 25, 2009 8:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He could have just had a craving for a cheesesteak.
Just hop on the private jet and get some food.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Feb 25, 2009 8:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In the most uncredible of sources
There were people in the “comments” section of this story on PFT that suggested he could have some meeting about the concessions partnership with the Yankees, and also that the builders of the new stadium are based in Philly. Take those suggestions with a very tiny grain of salt, but at least the Yankee one makes some sense.
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
by BigDinSC on Feb 25, 2009 8:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
cuz he's better than Crayton and Hurd for starters....
Jerry wants a Championship THIS year….and will pull out all the stops…you’ll see…Brian Dawkins & Ray Lewis are about as good as team leaders as you can get….thee best…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 25, 2009 8:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If we signed Dawkins it would be pretty interesting
to hear the Eagles fans reaction watching their beloved leader go the bad guys.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Feb 25, 2009 9:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be great
I don’t believe it, but I never thought Jerry would sign TO either.
Feb. 18-24 -- NFL Scouting Combine
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Feb 25, 2009 10:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dallas puts the 2nd round tender on every RFA
except Tony Curtis, who is a Free Agent
Miles Austin, Sam Hurd, Stephen Bowen and Cory Proctor were offered
by AustonianAggie on Feb 25, 2009 9:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Good, I'm glad Tony Curtis is hopefully gone....
He was the one that got McBriar’s foot broken.
by texstar on Feb 25, 2009 9:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what do you do if Dallas drafts a TE in the 2nd round
They’d clearly not be drafting for need.
But realistically they must believe in Roney Hannah, who’s built like Martellus Bennett but less experience
by AustonianAggie on Feb 25, 2009 9:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Curtis didn't do too much..
To aspire confidence and Hannah is probably cheaper and a better athlete than Curtis
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 26, 2009 2:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I really like Hannah
I was hoping he’d push for Curtis’s spot last TC. My guess is it was Curtis’s experience that kept Hannah from stealing his job. Seems to me like he’s got a lot of potential and should certainly be as good if not better than Curtis. But TE is the least of our worries, that’s for sure.
by sublimezg on Feb 26, 2009 7:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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