Free Agency '09, PM Edition: Cowboys' Canty Playing Musical Chairs?
by Rafael Vela on Feb 27, 2009 9:56 PM CST
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A quick tour around the division:
Washington: Hey, big spender! The money flows like burgundy at Redskins Park. A nine figure deal for DT Albert Haynesworth. A huge deal for CB D'Angelo Hall. And tonight, the Redskins welcomed OG Derrick Dockery back after two years in Buffalo.
Washington jettisoned CB Shawn Springs to make cap space for Hall. A meme developed, first on the Washington Post's Redskins blog, then on an ESPN blog, that Springs could find his way to Dallas. I've seen nothing other than name association -- Springs father Ron was a Cowboys fullback for Tom Landry -- to give this idea merit. It may be the internet echo chamber at work, were one person tosses out an idea and it gains some creedence as more people repeat it.
New York: The Cowboys Nation cringes in December. This year, Giants Nation did too. The Giants entered December 11-1, staggered through the month at 1-3, and went one and out in January.
Many point to Plaxico Burress' absence as the prime reason for New York's slide. The team appears far more concerned about the defense. New York made a strong push for Haynesworth, but was outbid by Washington. New York now has two other DTs slated for visits. Seahawks DT Rocky Bernard is visiting and says he will cancel his other visits if he "hears the right things" from the Giants.
A Bernard signing could leave Chris Canty on the outside a second time. He was the Redskins fallback option and cancelled there after Haynesworth signed. The Packers, Seahawks and 49ers have expressed interest in him as well.
The Giants may lose S James Butler to the Rams, where former Giants DC Steve Spagnuolo wants to bolster his secondary.
New York did sign former Falcons LB Michael Boley today.
Philadelphia: The Eagles signed former Bengals OT Stacy Andrews and hope to pair him with brother Shawn on the right side of their line. Andrews replaces long time RT Jon Runyan.
The reception there has been lukewarm, because Andrews is rehabbing a torn ACL and MCL suffered late last year.
Many Eagles fans are apoplectic about news that long-time S Brian Dawkins may soon sign with Denver. Reports that the deal had been completed proved false, but Dawkins is in Denver at this time. The Broncos also signed former Eagles RB Correll Buckhalter today.
The Eagles are close to trading CB Lito Sheppard to the Jets for a 5th round pick this year and a conditional pick in 2010 that could rise as high as the 2nd round.
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Here, I'll post this nugent here too...I FOUND our Nose Tackle..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 27, 2009 10:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
this guy looks good
he looks even better cause i am sure we can get him in the 6th or 7th. we pick one early and this one late
by Becho on Feb 28, 2009 12:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Remember last years NT from no where who could do a back flip at 300+. He lasted 15 minutes in saints mini camp.
by squidlo97 on Feb 28, 2009 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no stone unturned...when 2/3 of the league is sending scouts out to see the guy...he's got something going on..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 28, 2009 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So because
Two years ago the Saints signed a guy who went bust, Dallas should not scout this guy? I fail to see a connection.
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 28, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Scout him, but dont let your panties get moist.
by squidlo97 on Feb 28, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What does a fan's interest
have to do with what the team does? Again, no connection. Dallas did nothing with Harris two years ago, there is no cause for concern.
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 28, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh im not concerned. The connection is
fans getting worked up over nothing. Whats the point. To get worked up over nobody. If thats your deal their is a 6’3" 400 pound man at my local Dunkin Donuts. Want me to ask him to run a forty.
Seriously though,thats the kind of info I can get on the DMN blog. Im interested in in players as much as the next guy but I want to talk about guys who at least have a track record. Someone we can watch or find info on. A guy with some history against competition.
by squidlo97 on Feb 28, 2009 5:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
btw thumb...your third....don't get it twisted !!!
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 28, 2009 3:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
I guess the servers operate slower when they are not on the East Coas!!!
by oneforthethumb on Feb 28, 2009 10:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Canty can take
a hike.
I’ll take the guy Igor from SD.
A better pass rusher and DE!
by oneforthethumb on Feb 27, 2009 10:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
you do not know what u have....
you will miss him no doubt….The guy is solid nothing spectacular but solid…not easy to find a 3-4 end at his size …he is very good against the run but needs to improve his pss rushing ability which i think he will…..You do not know what u have until he is gone….
by canty99 on Feb 27, 2009 11:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes
you don’t know how much better another player is until you sign them.
Canty is a good solid player. Not worth all the money he is trying ot get.
by oneforthethumb on Feb 28, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This ends HERE
And I’m not sure why you have it in you’re head that the dude is so much better then Canty.
He has one more sack then Canty and has played in the league one more year.
His stats are virtually identical if not a little bit worse then Canty’s if you put them in a year to year basis.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Feb 28, 2009 12:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because
Canty wants absurd money. Igor will not want that much money to again play for Wade.
We over value our own free agents. Let’s see how much $$$ Canty gets.
by oneforthethumb on Feb 28, 2009 10:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What?
That has nothing to do with what you said.
You keep saying that Igor is better then Canty, which is statistically just not true.
I never said to keep Canty.
Why don’t you just man up and admit that you’re wrong.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Feb 28, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong
because my opinion is Igor is a better player.
Just going by stats is absurd. Maybe Igor could be the leader we need in the locker room that Canty is not!!
By stats we should have won the SB 2 years ago!!!
by oneforthethumb on Feb 28, 2009 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Igor is such a big leader...
That San Diego with one of the worst defenses in the leagues last year let him go.
He’s so much better then Canty that EVERY media outlet has him rated as a better prospect then Igor.
This isn’t about resigning Canty, this is about you being completely wrong of your assessment of Igor… he’s not THAT good.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Feb 28, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well...not to butt in...but..NOT EVERY publication thinks Canty is rated higher than Igor...
DraftDaddy.com is probably THEE BEST and most knowledgeble site on the NET, and they have IGOR rated higher…..just so you know…If you had said practically every site…you’d be right…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 28, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
btw..I agree with Thumb that going strickly by statistics isn't always an indicater of who's better..
I don’t see any merit to rate one over the other, going by publications certainly isn’t any more accurate than your own opinion of each player…They’re about as identical as they can get, but I think Igor can be signed for a little less, furthermore I really am not looking to fill the DE spot through FA with several very good prospects 3-4 DE available in the draft…..Ratliff, Spears, Hatcher, Bowen, and possibly Dixon are just fine with me….BUT we must address the position in the draft, because after this upcoming season, there may be wholesale changes at that position, with the possible losses of Spears and Bowen.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 28, 2009 10:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha....
This isn’t even about keeping him.
I don’t want to keep Canty for the prictag.
I just commented because this is like the third time that he has mentioned Igor like he’s sooooo much better then Canty, and it’s just not true.
“A better pass rusher” is what he said above and apparently it isn’t true.
You CAN measure pass rushing my statistics and Canty has averaged more sacks a season then Igor.
It’s not opinion, it’s fact.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Feb 28, 2009 10:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think both will be overpaid IMO
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Feb 28, 2009 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That I agree with.
I’m not talking about money.
I’m just saying that one isn’t significantly that much better then the other.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Feb 28, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that's all i'm saying in my post, both are equal....and both will be overpaid...just like every other position out there..
heck….punters are getting franchised nowadays…never thought i’d see that day
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 28, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Brian Dawkins
this site is currently being run by the guys at profootballtalk.com. I guess there site crashed sometime today. Anyway, it has the Dawkins deal finally being done.
http://blogs.nbcsports.com/home/archives/2009/02/dawkins-finally-a-done-deal-in.html
by TARHEEL PAUL on Feb 27, 2009 10:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
LMAO....good find TARHEEL
The Philly fans are in morning on the site….quite funny actually, comments are worth reading,
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 28, 2009 3:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Eagles apparently tell TJ Houshmandzadeh to take a hike
once they discovered his agent had hiked the asking price from what he was offering other teams. Ouch…
This is according to kffl.com via CSNPhilly.com: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl
Oh... Oh, that's giving me a clue. Yeah, ye-yeah, I've got a raging clue right now.
I was StarStruck at TBB/BSR, now...
by icStars on Feb 27, 2009 11:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Go peek at the Eagles SBN blogsite
not too many happy campers over there.
by Benthere on Feb 27, 2009 11:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
so is jerry gonna sign anyone?
he has 16 mil and no 1st rounder, start spending that money jerry. maybe he is running out of cash????
probably just being impatient
by Becho on Feb 28, 2009 12:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
that would be Jerry's being patient...
unless it’s yourself being impatient..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 28, 2009 10:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is my kind of free agency
I simply hate free agency. It’s the NFL’s version of a crack house. Just one more, Mr. Pusherman, and I’ll be fine. (See Dan Snyder). Free Agency is no way to build a team. Its only value is securing the last piece after a series of good drafts and good coaching. The ‘Boys have had neither. Some good drafts in the last few years, but not a series of them. Let’s not go into coaching. I’d be happy if Jerry continues to sit on his wallet.
by steelyeyedmissle on Feb 28, 2009 12:40 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
-1 Hate it or not, FA is part of the NFL's fabric...
Agree that drafting good players is still the most important taks to building a winner, but FA still plays an important role. Why are you happy if Jerry does nothing? You happy with last season’s outcome? You happy about not having a first round pick? We have a good team with a couple of very critical areas of need. You can’t rule out FA to address at least a few of these areas.
by Boundforbeach on Feb 28, 2009 8:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree to disagree
I agree FA plays an important role. We just disagree on what that role is. This team is not ready for a run at the SB in 2009. In my original post I stated what I think it takes. A series of good drafts and good coaching. We can go the ‘Skins route and year after year add high dollar pieces. But that is nothing more than pimping your mother’s mini van with nice wheels. FA is for adding the last piece or two. It’s a black hole for cap dollars otherwise. Look at the Charles Haley and Dieon Sanders signings versus what Jerry has done the last decade. He’s used FA to build a team that can compete for a playoff spot. That’s not the definition of success.
If Jerry holds true to his word about no splash this year, then that means one of two things. Either he thinks this team, despite all evidence indicating otherwise, is ready as is. Or, he realizes 2009 is a year to re-group, hope for a miracle, and get ready to for major changes in 2010. Only Jerry knows the answer to that. I’m happy if he does nothing because I fall into the latter group. 2009 is a hope-for-the-best season with this staff and there is no sense in signing players your next coach may want to cut.
by steelyeyedmissle on Feb 28, 2009 10:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats an interesting take.
The problem is thats just not Jerrys way of thinking. He would never give up a year.(unless rebuilding from scratch) I do think he is wising up some. Their will be some good value 2nd tier FA available. Guys who can make contributions at a reasonable cost. The key is are we smart enough to find and sign these guys. Another Kosier type guy.(for offense and defense)
I would like to find some guys that are fundamentally sound and disiplined. Cantys replacement doesnt have to be a monster pass rusher, just a guy that holds his position and ties up his lane against the run. We have enough pass rushers and Wades blitz schemes provide enough sacks. We need to be sound against the run, someone with gap disipline.
by squidlo97 on Feb 28, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"This team is not ready for a run at the SB in 2009"?????????????
Wow…. why the heck not? Arizona made it last year. We were 13-3 a year ago. This is not Detroit. I’m not saying we’re odds on favorites to win, but man, you just can’t write off the season as a “regrouping” year as you put it. Dude, we couldn’t disagree more.
by Boundforbeach on Feb 28, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Arizona at least had a coach
We do disagree. Hope springs eternal and everybody from the Lions to the Rams are gearing up for a SB run. I’ll give Jerry enough credit to know in his heart he’s made a mess of 2009 already. There is really no sense in throwing good money after bad when you know you’ll be making a coaching change. He just can’t say that. So the business man in him puts his finger in the dike and gags everybody in the organization. He’s the master salesman and he has to find a way to get through next year without losing his shirt. He’s keeping his powder dry, so to speak. Wade knows he’s done. The players know he’s done. Jerry knows he’s done. Why pour more money into that rat hole? Draft some good players this year, stay away from FA and let’s get on with 2010. All the while, hope the fans don’t figure it out.
by steelyeyedmissle on Feb 28, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's 2010 or bust
To me JJ is going to tinker this year, and let the chips fall where they may, then do his push in 2010 with an uncapped agreement, and a better understanding of how the $ will work.
After all to us this is a sport, to him it’s a business
by oldtimer on Feb 28, 2009 12:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Done right is the way NE has done it
They’ve been extremely strategic and it’s worked. Contrast that to Danny Boy who has to sleep with the hottest chick every year. I think it’s some freaudian thing with him making up for his own deficiencies.
by StillHateTheGiants on Feb 28, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
-1
Boundforbeach is right, and you can not just discount this year and not try to win it all
by Becho on Feb 28, 2009 9:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Becho, agree with you.....
Not saying that you have your whole team full of FA’s but look at the Pats. They keep doing it year after year. Not all the key positions but some. Example: They just got RB Taylor,TE Baker etc. They never go over-board paying FAs like Danny Boy, but they get good solid,leadership kind of FA’s to plug in perceived holes.
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's because...
The core is strong, and there is a strong philosophy in place. That’s when you can get role players, over-the-hill vets and malcontents for cheap and still expect to compete.
Cowboys are not built that way…actually most teams are not.
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Feb 28, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not talking about over-the-hill vets or malcontents....
I’m talking about good solid players that are not tier 1 players but can still offer a lot to a team. Not the Haynesworths or Hall’s by any means.
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm probably not explaining myself very well...
I’d be picking up those good solid players before someone else picks them up.
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 11:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
NE goes big sometimes too
Forgot his name, but the LB from the Ravens they signed a couple years back was a perfect example. He was the best/most expensive LB in free agency. I would just call what they do very strategic.
by StillHateTheGiants on Feb 28, 2009 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Adaelius Thomas
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Feb 28, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Sit on that wallet, Jerry! Let those other East teams destroy their future by locking up discarded vets for half a decade.
I’m all about bargains. Ain’t no bargains this early in FA.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 28, 2009 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ah the deadskins stirke back will they ever learn? How do they do this every year?
by DooSTan on Feb 28, 2009 12:51 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Except for last year the Skins never have more than a handful of draft picks each year under Snyder.
Look for a lot of trading down for picks next year from the Skins.
Game Recognize Game
by pretty ricky on Feb 28, 2009 9:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so is jerry gonna sign anyone?
he has 16 mil and no 1st rounder, start spending that money jerry. maybe he is running out of cash????
probably just being impatient
by Becho on Feb 28, 2009 1:06 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
So I guess the Eagles will draft a running back.
Did they even pursue Fred Taylor? I’m glad he didn’t end up there as he would’ve been just the right compliment for Westbrook.
by MadMick on Feb 28, 2009 4:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I could see them drafting the big fella Beanie Wells-OSU
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 28, 2009 5:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
actually 4.56 40 for a 230lber isn't all that slow...
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 28, 2009 8:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
Beenie is not slow..
He doesn’t look graceful, but he gets the job done. I Dallas needed a back he would be my pick out of this draft class.
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on Feb 28, 2009 9:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wells...
Isn’t slow, what he is however is a runningback who runs like a coward.
I watched quite a few Ohio State games this year and even the commentators talk about how he’ll be racing down the sideline and if there is someone in front of him, he’ll run out of bounds rather then try to cut it inside or run someone over.
He CAN break tackles, and he does when there are guys on him, but he won’t try and pick up the extra yards if he can.
IMO Moreno is going to be the best overall runningback in this draft.
He is super versatile and is played against much faster competition.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Feb 28, 2009 10:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And remember
That’s a new field in Indy where they had the combine. Everybody was slow. Slow track.
HATERADE: Two scoops of Eric Allen, add water and stir.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 28, 2009 10:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Donald Brown of UCONN just end up being the best RB....
I like Andre Brown from NC State as well…..if I was looking big back….a better value than Wells if taken in the 2nd -3rd round..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 28, 2009 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would not say Beenie ran like a coward, he was injured this year at the begining and was saving himself.
I watch him the last 3 years and the dude is athletic for being that big!
by DooSTan on Feb 28, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
athletic and tough are two different things...
and he’s not tough..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 28, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
He’s athletic but I saw him running out of bounds when a corner was zooming in on him.
You don’t have to run like Barber to be tough, but I didn’t remember alot of times when Darren McFadden was running down the sideline that he didn’t try to either juke a corner or stiffarm one.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Feb 28, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Me too.
He will be the best back out of this class.
I like Andre Brown too.
HATERADE: Two scoops of Eric Allen, add water and stir.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 28, 2009 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
GreenBay DT Colin Cole, 6'1" 330lbs...who I thought we should at least poke and prod at....
Is being poked and prodded down in Tampa Bay, as his former DLine coach is now working in Tampa, and has the inside tract…..c’ mon Jerry…at least should be looking to sign some NT depth like this guy…I have a good feeling this guy is better than the two futures slobs we already have on the shelf…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 28, 2009 5:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
this is exactly why i am fustrated
at least fill some needs jerry, instead the news is about kyle boller
by Becho on Feb 28, 2009 9:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
GREAT POST RAF
It is great to check in with BTB and get posts like this one… really underscores the “one stop shopping” idea.
I don’t know why everyone wants to run Canty out of town… all the guy does is hold up his spot on runs and take up blockers for Ware.
On another note, the Cowboys will regret letting the Dolphins steal their future SS. BIG MISTAKE. Roy W was one of my favorite players, but until he shows it again on the field, I like most will believe his best days are behind him. Hoping things change is not a good enough strategy.
Duane Thomas, Calvin Hill, Dorsett, Herschell, Emmitt ... and now MBIII, Felix, AND Choice!
by DalaiLuke on Feb 28, 2009 9:08 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Refreshing Stats I sent to all my skins fans
Jay Ratliff Dallas Cowboys
$4.1 million per year
2008 stats
51 tackles
7.5 sacks
http://www.nfl.com/players/jayratliff/profile?id=RAT586227
Albert Haynesworth Washington Redskins
$14 million per year possibly reaching $16 million
2008 stats
51 tackles
8.5 sacks
http://www.nfl.com/players/alberthaynesworth/profile?id=HAY746506
Granted those stats don’t show the value that Haynesworth brings by taking on double teams and clogging the middle but man they are damn near identical.
All I did for the salary numbers was take the total $$/total years of their current contracts, not sure if that is the most accurate way of doing it but gives an idea of how much the salaries differ.
Game Recognize Game
by pretty ricky on Feb 28, 2009 9:22 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Somebody actually signed Pacman..........
by TARHEEL PAUL on Feb 28, 2009 9:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Good for him.
Is American Gladiators still going?
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 28, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
CASSEL TRADED
Schefter Reporting Cassel traded to the chiefs, Damn Pats are masters at flipping their roster
by TONYINCC on Feb 28, 2009 12:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
hmmm....
that’s interesting. Was it on NFL Network?
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 12:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yup
just broke about 5 min ago, details were undisclosed at this poin, schefter said they are trying to figure out what cassels new contract will be and what they gave up to get him. I can gaurantee its at least a first
by TONYINCC on Feb 28, 2009 12:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
think about this
What kind of position would we be in if when Romo got hurt, Bollinger lit it up, and teams were clamoring for his services. Hey if any Nfl team wants to give up a first for your back up qb, you are doing something right. Dont tell me this is a coincedence either, cause the Pats continually stock pile picks every year.
by TONYINCC on Feb 28, 2009 12:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I bet they had this all worked out when they franchised him to begin with?
Think about it, why would you franchise a back-up with that high a tender unless you knew something. Good move for teams
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
All they had to know was that there would be a market
And of course there would be. I’m surprised only because last I heard Brady making it back for the beginning of the season was questionable. I guess they’re confident he’ll be there and 100%
by StillHateTheGiants on Feb 28, 2009 1:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
Plus they have another back-up already in the fold lined up.
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Poli was in NE last year so he knows and can work with those guys,
NE also kept Cassel from going free and signing in the AFC east ,who would have loved to get their hands on this guy,
by squidlo97 on Feb 28, 2009 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Pats only got a second rounder for him
That’s shocking. Pioli played his old team like a fiddle.
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
by BigDinSC on Feb 28, 2009 1:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
NFL Netwrk (via kffl) is reporting that the Cassel deal just got complicated
with a third team involved and no certainty that he’s even going to KC
Oh... Oh, that's giving me a clue. Yeah, ye-yeah, I've got a raging clue right now.
I was StarStruck at TBB/BSR, now...
by icStars on Feb 28, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Vrabel and Cassel for second round pick
Chiefs | Cassel and Vrabel acquired for second-round pick
Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:14:12 -0800
The Kansas City Chiefs have announced they have traded a second-round pick (No. 34 overall) in the 2009 NFL Draft to the New England Patriots for QB Matt Cassel and LB Mike Vrabel. The deal is contingent on both players passing a physical and reporting.
by Boyzfan94 on Feb 28, 2009 1:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I knew Pats weren't getting a 1st rounder for him
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Mar 1, 2009 8:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They almost did
- is a good player in waiting. Plus they cleared a ton from their cap to extend Wilfork. I’m jealous.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Mar 1, 2009 9:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
1. = #34
I don’t know what happened there.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Mar 1, 2009 9:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think...
Any body plays the Patritos like a fiddle.
IMO the fact that the Patriots get anything out of him is a testament to the great work of the staff.
They basiclly got a second rounder(if it goes through) for a backup QB.
AND I think he was in the perfect position to succeed in New England. I read a statistic that his receivers YAC counted for more of his passing yards then any other team in the league.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Feb 28, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But is it that nobody plays the Pats like a fiddle
Or that nobody plays Pioli like a fiddle?
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
by BigDinSC on Feb 28, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Had to add this
PFT is reporting that Cassel and Vrabel were traded in exchange for just the Chief’s second rounder. I can’t see where that’s good value for the Pats.
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
by BigDinSC on Feb 28, 2009 1:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
34th pick
For one player that they hope wouldn’t play that year and a linebacker who probably was close to getting cut soon anyways.
Not great but not horrible.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Feb 28, 2009 1:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Plus they get to choose where he’s going…they were afraid someone like the Jets might pick him up otherwise. The Pats always do things the right way. I bet they had this all planned out even before Pioli left the Pats.
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1 ...I am sure that deal was in place to serve either Pioli or McDaniels if deemed a good fit..
they will continue to be dancing partners for many years..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 28, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And Pioli...
What I’ve always read and heard is that Billichik has had more to do with the success then Pioli.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Feb 28, 2009 1:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Belechik was probably the lead dog but Pioli has more than pulled his weight.
by squidlo97 on Feb 28, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just telling you...
What I’ve read.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Feb 28, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Come on now, you can read anything. Ive read and heard that Pioli was good.
He has work with/ under Belechik and Parcells. He has done a good enough job for Belechik to concentate most of his energies on coaching. Wasnt that guy in Atlanta with those guys last year. He has done well and knows how to put it together. Pioli was above him. Belechek will always get the credit. Remember this though, Belechek didnt have him in Cleveland and he wasnt near as successfull. It takes 2 top guys to be successfull. Holmgrin was thought of the same and he wasnt as successfull withour Wolf. Jimmy was thought to be the brains but he wasnt as good without JJ.
by squidlo97 on Feb 28, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They really couldnt pay a franchise tag on him for him to sit on the bench. Its also an early second and probably the best deal they could get.
by squidlo97 on Feb 28, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
See,,,this is exactly what Jerry should have been doing with Canty...knowing there was going a pretty good amount of interest in him..
we could have gotten a 2nd rounder for him easily, as I mentioned in a prior posting.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 28, 2009 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope this doesnt sound to dumb but was he eligible. Cause if he is, your right it was pretty stupid.
Are you limited to the number of players you can do this on in a given year.
by squidlo97 on Feb 28, 2009 5:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes he was eligible and I agree....
we were stupid not to franchise him
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 6:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the franchise number was off putting as his contract demands
I think DC.com said something in the $7-$9mil range for 2009, if memory serves. It’s the average of the top five salaries at his position.
Oh... Oh, that's giving me a clue. Yeah, ye-yeah, I've got a raging clue right now.
I was StarStruck at TBB/BSR, now...
by icStars on Feb 28, 2009 8:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah...it would have been in the 9 million range...but if he's asking for 8 million....it would have been worth seeing who's interested...
teams can also cancel the tag if they choose not to sign him…but teams may have been turned off if they had to drop a draft pick to aquire him…and as it looks now, teams were obviously interested….but not that interested to pay 8 million……but i think he team that really could use him, like GB or Denver would’ve ponied up a 3rd-4th rounder at least…….water under the bridge now..he may come back here for 5 million..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 1, 2009 9:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldnt have franchised him. but a second round tender seems smart.
I just dont think anybody will pay that type of money.(1st) You have to be a bull in the middle or a pass rusher deluxe and he isnt either of those. He is just a solid big guy nothing stands out. Cant hold the midlle and cant bring the heat.
by squidlo97 on Mar 1, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It would be smart but I don't think Canty was eligible for it
The guys who got second round tenders are three-year players and restricted FAs; Canty is a four-year player and an unrestricted FA, which you know. This left the franchise tag as the team’s only option to retain or restrict him. I don’t think it carries any compensation.
I could be wrong though.
Oh... Oh, that's giving me a clue. Yeah, ye-yeah, I've got a raging clue right now.
I was StarStruck at TBB/BSR, now...
by icStars on Mar 1, 2009 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Holeeeeeeeeeeeeeee cow!
I’m loving this time of year!
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 28, 2009 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling that KC might become Pats West
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 12:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why not?
Coach and GM from the Parcells tree. Wish Jerry would have been thinking about continuity after Bill left…. oops sorry, must think only positive thoughts here…
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
by dave33 on Feb 28, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
KC has one of the youngest , most talent laden rosters in the entire league
Their draft last year rates as one of the best ever …imo..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 28, 2009 12:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1 They will be a force in the coming years. They just need to find the right QB and they could be a multiple SB winner.
by squidlo97 on Feb 28, 2009 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that the AFC West just got really interesting....
with KC and Denver
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And you know Oakland will go after Crabtree if he slips to them.
They may not be good, but they’ll be fast.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 28, 2009 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Being a Tech grad.....
I just pray for the kid’s sake that he goes somewhere else but the black hole.
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't you think thats a BIT
too early to tell?
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Feb 28, 2009 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It may be a little early but....
at least they are being aggressive in trying to upgrade their team. They were so bad that anything should/could be an upgrade right?
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well yeah...
I was referring to the comment that said that draft was one of the best ever.
You can’t judge a draft realistically until 3 years down the line.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Feb 28, 2009 4:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What a lot of people don't realize about KC....
was the fact that they were in a lot of games last years, but because they were young, they didn’t quite know how to finish the games. That whole division could be very awesome
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 12:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I realized that...
That is true…
But they have MAJOR defensive issues.
Demarcus Ware- 20 Sacks
KC- 10
Not good.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Feb 28, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bringing in Vrabel is a start....
I know that he’s past his prime but his leadership will help tremendously with the young-uns.
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it will take a few years...but that division is going to get better quick..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 28, 2009 12:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1....btw...
Denver’s making quite a bit of noise in FA also
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ya know the more ya think about it.....
it was a brilliant move by the Pats. First off, they get to pick who to trade him to-i.e. keep
Cassell away from Jets and secondly they get compensation. Gotta give them credit, they know what they’re doing.
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 12:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Anyone want Tyler Thigpen as our backup?
I assume his days are now numbered.
by Boundforbeach on Feb 28, 2009 12:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I bet they get rid of Croyle instead?
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
They keep thigpin. He’s cheap.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Feb 28, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't follow the Chiefs....
but would Croyle be a good back-up? I’ve heard that he’s injury prone but I don’t know anything else?
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ya know the difference between the Pats and the Boys?
They’re pro-active and we are re-active……
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 12:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with that. We have jumped into FA agressively most every year. People seem to forget we made our big splash mid season with Williams.
by squidlo97 on Feb 28, 2009 1:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I don't necessarily agree with that.
It just goes year to year.
Dallas went on a spending spree two years ago where the Patriots did almost nothing last year.
You can’t go on a FA tear every year.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Feb 28, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What I meant to say....
the Pats always seem to be on top of their needs. Good example: Roy Williams was average at best last year but when he went down the drop off was significant with Davis/Watkins etc. The Pats always seem to bring in someone else before they are at that point. In other words, depth. Am I making sense?
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There D was lacking serious depth last year and had holes. They just didnt have thei injuries where they lacked depth.
by squidlo97 on Feb 28, 2009 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed....
they definitely are getting older on the defensive side of the ball. As much as it pains me to say though, as many injuries that they had on the defensive side of the ball, they still had an 11-5 record. Unlike us. They had injries but still found a way to win.
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They always have
They’ve always had that mentality. Even when Brady went down, they didn’t sense the gloom and doom. I’ve always been envious of that mentality.
by illcowboy on Feb 28, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dawkins to the Broncos a done deal according to Rotoworld.
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
by stoproyce on Feb 28, 2009 12:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Lito Sheppard only worth a 5th and maybe a 2nd?
To this day, I think the Eagles picked the wrong CB to shun.
Am I the only one that feels this way?
In a league where spreading the field is becoming more and more a normal thing, how is a near top tier CB worth that much less than RW2 was?
by j1veturkey on Feb 28, 2009 1:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
All though Sheppard was kind of injury prone.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Feb 28, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
denver paid a boatload for dawkins
5 years 17 mill…7.2 guarenteed…however eagles just lost the heart and soul of there defense
by canty99 on Feb 28, 2009 1:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
that's a great contract for denver...it's a mere 3.6 million a year...big deal..
pretty much on tract with exactly what he’d get……making the same as Roy Williams…I would doubt he’s kept past two years of that contract..
.it’s essentially a 2 year 7.2 million contract………something Jerry should be doing with Springs…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 28, 2009 3:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gentlemen we have a backup
HATERADE: Two scoops of Eric Allen, add water and stir.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 28, 2009 2:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
BEST NEWS I'VE SEEN IN WEEKS...
Excellent job obtaining Kitna./…BY FAR the best possible back up QB out there for under 3 million per season….I’m all aboard with this signing…bout time….sign Ray Lewis and we can call it a day……
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 28, 2009 3:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
good
Oh... Oh, that's giving me a clue. Yeah, ye-yeah, I've got a raging clue right now.
I was StarStruck at TBB/BSR, now...
by icStars on Feb 28, 2009 2:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ray Ray
Any word on us looking into signing Lewis. When I first head that rumor a while ago I thought it was impossible. However, with the extra $4 million added to the cap this could happen.
by eightball on Feb 28, 2009 2:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
wait a minute...I forgot the trade implications....Kinta comes here with existing contract.
Kitna is signed through this season only, costing us 2.95 million for his services this year, and he becomes a free agent after the season, if a new deal isn’t worked out…which i’m sure there might be, to make his cap hit lower than 2.95mm..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 28, 2009 3:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Dallas Traded Henry For Him.
~Texas Massacre 08~
by TheHeat on Feb 28, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
just read that he reworked his contract for something like 4 yrs 10 mil
"I feel like a million bucks...a million and 81 bucks." T.O.
by D.WareDaWhiteWomenAt? on Feb 28, 2009 4:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
How about Leigh Bodden to replace Henry?......
just a thought,… He did play underneath Grantham in Cleveland. He would be a good pickup and from what I heard he wouldn’t be too expensive because he’s trying to resurrect his career….
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 10:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
problem is he wouldn't resurrect anything being the 4th CB here...
he would want a legit shot at playing time……if he’s got FS skills, then i’m all for him coming at a reasonable rate..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 1, 2009 9:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
OUR best hope is that Utah's Sean Smith falls to us at # 51....not only is he a big time CB, but is the ideal rangy FS we so desire as well...
He is the best possible pick we can get in this draft…imo..versatility and depth at two positions….
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 1, 2009 10:06 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
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