UPDATE: Cowboys acquire QB Jon Kitna, send Anthony Henry to Lions
by Dave Halprin on Feb 28, 2009 2:47 PM CST
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Print[UPDATE] Confirmed by the Cowboys, Dallas traded CB Anthony Henry to the Lions for Jon Kitna.
The Cowboys search for a backup quarterback has ended with a trade for Detroit's Jon Kitna but it cost them cornerback Anthony Henry.
[END UPDATE]
The National Football Post and Adam Schefter are reporting that the Cowboys have traded for QB Jon Kitna from the Lions.
The Detroit Lions have traded quarterback Jon Kitna to the Dallas Cowboys. The compensation is not available at this point.
The Detroit Lions have just agreed to trade quarterback Jon Kitna to the Dallas Cowboys, sources close to the teams have just informed me. As of right now, all I've heard is that the Cowboys have given up "late picks" in exchange for Kitna.
Overall Update: Rafael here. There are strange things afoot at the free ageny Circle K, and I wonder if more moves are on the horizon. Note:
-- Kansas City just acquired Matt Cassell for a high 2nd rounder (34th overall).
-- The Saints, according to the National Football Post, are very interested in LaDainian Tomlinson, if he can't restructure his San Diego deal. The Saints lost Deuce McAllister to injury and Reggie Bush is also rehabbing, and has proven he's not an every-down, between-the-tackles back. Were New Orleans not in the NFC I wonder if Dallas would consider trading them a back for a high pick?
Or if San Diego would be a trade partner if they flipped LT? Does anybody think Darren Sproles can be the bell-cow back in a Norv Turner offense, and notch 300 carries a season? He's a very talented man. He's also a small one.
-- And let's not forget, the Cowboys have yet to fish or cut bait on Roy the Safety Williams. I doubt they shopped him for no good reason. He's either going to a new team for some compensation or getting cut.
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Its a small step in the right direction. I guess.
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
WHY???
Shouldn’t the team be looking for a younger guy with some experience to back up Romo. Kitna is what 36, coming off IR, and being replaced by ???? in Detroit? I think we parted with some draft picks we didn’t have to. Couldn’t they have waited a few more days till he was released if he was who they wanted? There was no way Detroit was bringing him back next season anyway….
We can still do get a young guy
Only now we have someone who is ready to play as well.
HATERADE: Two scoops of Eric Allen, add water and stir.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 28, 2009 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
That's very true.
As long as the cap hit isn’t too bad, why not? His arm was OK the last I knew, so he should still be an improvement on BJ.
I believe he is 34.
I may be one of the few but I like him for this role. He has plenty of experience. He can fill the back up role well. I dont think he is a great QB but I think he is better than percieved. He was always in the wrong place at the wrong time. Most of teams were in rebuilding mode and alway seemed to a young gun in the fold. Teams were always sure they could do better but few did. I think he will come in and work hard. He has never had talent like this around him and if he just gets the ball in the playmakers hands he will be more than enough. I really dont think their is anyone better for this job. We can still draft a young QB this draft and groom him the correct way.
Every back up QB out there has flaws.
What?
Those no talent WRs like Johnson and Williams? Didn’t he play with Chad and WhoseYourMama prior to becomming a Lion?
Computer says no
born on date: 9-21-72
Oh... Oh, that's giving me a clue. Yeah, ye-yeah, I've got a raging clue right now.
I was StarStruck at TBB/BSR, now...
+1 squidlo is the only sensable blogger i've seen so far....
this is a great move, no signing bonus, 1.95 million base salary…and the late round picks weren’t making this team anyways, and it keeps us from getting in a bidding war for his services.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 28, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
Im on board
HATERADE: Two scoops of Eric Allen, add water and stir.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 28, 2009 3:01 PM CST reply actions
i'm kinda torn on this...
he’s better than brad johnson but i’m concerned about his age, injury and his INT/TD ratio…. seems we’re big on trying to rectify last year’s problems…i just wish we anticipated them for once….
i’m anxiously waiting the never won a playoff game conference between Romo and him. excellent….
"They need security in the world, Craig!"
Name someone out there without flaws.
I cant think of someone younger that would give us a better chance to win now or someone we could coach up to be an eventual starter.
dumb move
They should have acquired Grossman instead. He is a free agent, younger, and has a better arm. Kitna is old, has a weak arm, and he cost them picks.
by beautifultyrant on Feb 28, 2009 3:07 PM CST reply actions
Dude, Grossman has only made it though one season as a starter without an injury.
He has only once in his career threw more TDs than picks and only threw for 3000+yards once. He couldnt beat out , hell he is so dam bad I cant even think of his name.
ahhhh crap!
Just what I’ve always wanted, a 36 year old who will throw a INT for every TD.
But I guess since he’s only going to be the backup, it’s better than BJ, right….. right? Sigh..
No it's not better.
BJ is washed up but at least he still has decent judgement. Kitna is way past his prime and still throws into coverage.
Henry gone...
Nick Eatman over at DallasCowboys.co is reporting that we got Kitna for Anthony Henry…. This just got interesting…
Brilliant
Give up a starter for a scrub – way to go Jerry!
I love the move
He’s just what we need as a backup. Remember, we’re not gonna get some flawless stud, young QB for cheap to play backup for us. Just not gonna happen.
This guy has a live arm that can keep defenses honest if Romo goes down for a couple games again. He’s fiery, if not a little too much so, enough to maybe rev up the team and provide a plus in practice.
Plus, HE’S OUR BACKUP!….
Wait, holy crap…for Anthony Henry…uh oh….
It's true!
I heard it from one of hos best friends, we coach our sons on the same team. Kitna signed about 2:00 and we should hear about it anytime now. Just took my Cowboys leather jacket over to my buddy and he took a picture and sent it to Kitna!!
Please say it isn't so.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 28, 2009 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
no
The Lions got a capable CB; the Cowboys got another washed up backup QB.
by beautifultyrant on Feb 28, 2009 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
I'm find with it
I like it for no other reason that it puts an end to the endless Henry to FS speculation.
For all the complaints about Kitna’s age, he’s a 36 year old QB who was traded for a 32 year old CB who:
— is entering the last year of his contract;
— is at the end of is rope as a CB. I talked to somebody spoke to Giants scouts last year before the Meadowlands game, and was told the Giants were targeting Henry over Mike Jenkins, even though the rookie was making one of his first starts because, ‘they don’t feel Henry can run anymore."
For all is warts, Kitna is a better QB than Boller or Grossman.
It’s highly doubtful that Henry would be a better CB than Jenkins this year.
Plus, Henry misses about five games a year through injury. Dallas also got a modest cap boost dumping Henry’s bigger cap number and picking up Kitna’s much smaller one.
It’s time to move on and plug Mike Jenkins in.
yes. kitna has a better arm than b. johnson and provides better insurance in case romo misses time with any injuries
plus, jenkins and scandrick are ready to be the #2 and #3 corners.
this definitely is a sign though that there’s still yet a move to be made to acquire a rangy safety to start opposite hamlin.
great point about the savings in salary cap for this season, raf.
didn’t realize.
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I do
Henry wasn’t going to beat out Jenkins/OScan anyhow.
He was a liability in the defensive backfield.
At least we have a Backup QB WITH AN ARM!!!!
You'll never get in a traffic jam,while going the extra mile. -Roger staubach
agreed
For a late draft pick I like this move. For an actual player with at least some value, not so much
Unbelievable...
I was joking with my friend who’s a Browns fan that if Dallas ever signed Kitna, I would be a Browns fan until Kitna was no longer a Cowboy.
I hate Jerry Jones.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
Kitna
He will be a goo addition… the IR thing was not true.. I talked to Kitna he was fine! He’s a great guy and will hopefully bring leadership and good character to the locker room! Not to mention his arm is just fine!!
Yes, thank God
what made people think a 33 year old declining CB with durability issues would be the answer at a spot where he would take MORE hits than he did at CB?
Jerry can make me happy if he can bring in shawn springs.......
Is Shawn Springs old? Yes, but he can still cover with the best of them.
Ah, to see Ron Springs running those screens once again. He was a very good player.
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Surely, they've got a plan for another CB....
because I can’t see them sticking with just the young-uns and Newman
Henry sucked...can you all face the friggin facts....he was slow, couldn't play man, and lost his agression to tackle...
please give it up…WE were going to CUT him as it is…..WE AVOIDED paying a signing bonus to pick up a quality back up QB, and saved over 4 million in cap space trading Henry…..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 28, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
20/20 hindsight
Where was the hornblowing for Henry to be gone before the trade? We now have another depth issue at a position we didn’t have before the draft. However, I agree with you that we probably pick up another aging corner with durability issues like Shawn Springs to replace Henry. We do have a legitimate backup QB though.
as much as this forum has bashed henry continuously the past few years...
… it cracks me up that so many now passionately wish da King didn’t trade him away.
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NO opinion
as adamant as now, after he’s gone.
by cow_fanatic on Feb 28, 2009 10:11 PM CST up reply actions
Remember last year?
Newman was out hurt, Pac Man-hurt, Henry banged up as usual. In other words, you need depth.
Does it look to you like Jones has a plan for this offseason?
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
I'm so pissed about this move.
Kitna better be cheap and not be dissing the star or anything. This is so stupid.
I need a cigarette.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
Jerry just added more needs.
Now they added a CB to the list of long needs.
I still believe they should have added Losman or Grossman.
by beautifultyrant on Feb 28, 2009 3:16 PM CST reply actions
You're top 3 corners
are T-New, Jenkins and Scandrick. That just about covers three-wide. Who do you have when one of them goes down which two did last year? There’s your depth problem you didn’t have before the trade
I understand that.
But that happens all the time. I mean its not a huge need. You’re talking about you’re Dime corner more then likely.
You pick up a FA for that.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
We had too many to start with last season..had to get rid of a few top quality back ups...
we draft a CB, pick up a few cut players, and we’re back in business….geez…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 28, 2009 7:55 PM CST up reply actions
How easy is that
to hit on a 5th round CB that you trust his rookie year in the slot. My bad. You’re right, get rid of your depth at CB and hope for another 5th round gem. The odds are against it
by cow_fanatic on Feb 28, 2009 10:22 PM CST up reply actions
dude...are you seriously worried about who our 5th CB is going to be ???
seriously ???
I have posted three mocks thus far, and all have had a CB listed…..meaning I had anticipated losing Henry already, and even if he stayed here, it would have been at FS, and not CB….CB was going to be an area to address anyhow…I can name over 20 rookie CB’s in this upcoming draft that are faster, can play man, and are flat out better options than Henry, and can play for about 4 million dollars less than Henry….and your going to gripe about where we’ll find our next 5th CB like it’s a neddle in a haystack proposal……
You make it sound like we lost a quality starter and he needs to be replaced ( He was being replaced by Jenkins ) and you don’t keep 4 million dollar reserves 4th CB’s……..We got rid of a liability for cryin’ out loud, and gained precious cap space……you should be applauding the move..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 1, 2009 9:43 AM CST up reply actions
Well,
Henry could have been a capable, valueable backup.
by beautifultyrant on Feb 28, 2009 5:06 PM CST up reply actions
I'm sure Bradie James and Terrence Newman are thrilled.......
Remember all the crap Kitna talked about them a couple of years ago?
The best thing about this trade is we can finally put the Henry to safety to bed. Thank goodness.
Now if we could just eliminate the Jerry the owner fire Jerry the GM B.S.
Looks like we're gonna go hard after DBs this draft
at least our backup QB position is solidified. It hurt us more than CB did last year.
I feel like that viking guy on that Snickers commercial when he throws the garbage cans.
NOOOOOOOOOOO!
Hopefully, they get someone they can groom at the end of the draft still.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
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This one
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Hellyeah!
I’m cool with the trade now.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 28, 2009 6:51 PM CST up reply actions
Me 2.
Like cap room, just wanting to move on with the Henry situation, etc.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 28, 2009 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
Like the Cowboys are trying to pull a Kurt Warner/Kerry Collins?
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 28, 2009 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
I agree.....
Unless the Roy Williams rumor was just a smoke screen
Igor?
Is Leonhard a Jet yet?
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 28, 2009 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
Like what?
Snyder will pay Jerry a $100 Million to start Kitna?
lol
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 28, 2009 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
Are we really that concerned about...
Anthony Henry? The same Anthony Henry most of us were cursing in man-to-man coverage? The same Anthony Henry with two years of knee problems? The same Anthony Henry who was like the 4th or 5th best cover guy on the team? Let’s not forget, Anthony Henry who will be 33 years old this year?
The Boys did try Henry at safety this year. It didn’t work. The defensive secondary positions are very different and Strong or Free Safety is not, by definition, a corner who has lost his wheels. They are very different from LCB.
Mike Jenkins time.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 28, 2009 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
Wait......defensive secondary? You mean there's an offensive secondary? ;)
You make a good point though.
PLAYOFFS?!
+1
Im one of the few who actually liked Henry and who has defended him and I dont have a problem with the trade. He would have never held up physically at safety . It was his time to go.
What about spot safety
like he did last year in the nickle and backing up one of the wide corners? We traded his ability to cover multiple roles for a player only if Romo goes down
The risk
is the fact you have a greater chance of losing a starting corner than you do a starting QB but otherwise I agree
I'll give you that
but it’s quantity vs quality with this trade. We would get more value out of Henry as a backup CB/nickle saftey than a backup QB that doesn’t play a down unless it’s mopup or injury to Romo.
My spin on it
is instead of using cap space to sign a backup QB we used that cap space to get Brooking. I’m okay with it that way
+100
I remember all the complaining about Henry’s coverage in these posts …. now he’s gone, everyone’s mad. It doesn’t make sense.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
I think the complaints are about value
Yeah Henry was a liability, but it doesn’t feel like we received anything significant in return.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
if
he sucked that bad in coverage, what kind of value does he really have?
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
The thought is more value than an aging Jon Kitna
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
Look
I thought Ayodele and Fasano were also expendable. But they were worth more than a 4th round pick. That is what I am saying. Its the difference between throwing something in the trash because you don’t need it, and trying to get something for it on ebay.
But maybe that’s all Jerry did here. Maybe he was going to get rid of Henry anyway…
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
that's what
Im thinking … I think both teams would get rid of each player.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
What is an aging, broken down, injury prone QB worth. QBs whether you like them or not come at a higher price.
Someone is worth only what you can get for them. They would have been a hell of alot less after Martellus and Zack signing.
That's true
But you have to admit, that two starters for an 11-5 team for a fourth round pick was a helluva steal for the Dolphins. I just hate being on the wrong end of that bargain.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
actually
after the trading was all done, that pick turns out to be the 69th overall this year (3rd round.) makes it a tad better.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
That I didn't Know
How’s that?
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
- Cowboys to Raiders. Dallas traded their fourth-round selection (#100 overall) to Oakland for their fourth-round selection (#104 overall) and seventh-round selection (#213 overall).
- Cowboys to Browns. Dallas traded their fourth-round selection (#104 overall) to Cleveland for their fourth-round selection (#122 overall), and fifth-round selection (#155 overall).
- Cowboys to Browns. Dallas traded their fourth-round selection (#111 overall) to Cleveland for their 2009 NFL Draft third-round selection.50
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
btw dave33...when did you become owner ??
to actually think YOU lost out on the bargain….sometimes there aren’t winners….BOTH players were going to be cut…..it was a good deal for both teams, neither have to sign large contracts, and pay out huge bonuses…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 28, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
I'd much
rather have Orlando Scandrick and the 69th pick this year over Fasano and Akin. Easily.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
Fasano looked better with Miami than he ever did with us. We may have gotten rid of him
just when he matured into a decent TE. That is not to say I’m not thrilled with Bennett.
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Well I meant
“I” in the same spirit that cowboys fans say “we” when referring to the team. In the future I’ll try to make sure to be more exact in my phrasing. My apologies…
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
I thought there were some decent FAs
that could be had without trading anything. Is Kitna so much better than anyone out there that we had to trade someone?
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
that's the part that is weird....
Kitna was going to be dropped anyway because they owe him a big roster bonus pretty soon so that’s why I think there has to be more a coming unless Jerry has totally lost his mind
Lost his mind (that's what I think)
but he could have been planning to get rid of Henry all along and was trying to get something for him.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
in other words,
he was trying to get out from under Henry and so it was a horse swap-value type of thing.
The Jets were rumored to covet Kitna.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 28, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
Okay let me get this straight.
You think Kitna or Henry is part of a 3way? Which one?
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 28, 2009 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
No, I think that Kitna and Henry was a straight up.
Unless Jerry is throwing a smoke screen concerning Roy, there has to be more a coming imo.
Yup.
It’s a way to avoid overpaying a guy like Boller who thinks he’s still a baller.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 28, 2009 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
a bidding war over Kitna?
Are we talking about the same Jon Kitna?
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
jesus ,henry had like the 4th highest cap total on the team good riddence i think this is more capclearing than anything . I am crossing my fingers for springs though
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
You don't think Springs will command a significant cap hit?
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
Actually...
That would be a good move for the boys.
Get springs for a small three year deal and he would make a wonderful nickel/dime corner.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
I am not sure that he would. He's been on the market now for two full days,he's what 34? I think he'd come over to play with TO as well aren't they boys?
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
Yeah i think you may be correct
Just a comment on the lack of quality QBs in the league
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
yes...he was better than all others...
i don’t see the problem here..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 28, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
Is Ron Springs still alive in Dallas?
I haven’t heard lately, but if he is Shawn may want to come play in Dallas to be closer to his Dad. Just a thought.
I thought Ron passed away
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Feb 28, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
He's still alive I believe, but remains in a coma
Oh... Oh, that's giving me a clue. Yeah, ye-yeah, I've got a raging clue right now.
I was StarStruck at TBB/BSR, now...
BTW Numba1
remember I brought up Kitna over a week ago? Kinda interesting huh?
Another thing that I just thought of:
Kitna has worked along-side Palmer (one of the best) Hasselbeck (another good QB). I don’t know if he helped those guys out but that’s a pretty impressive resume.
lol...I thought I brought him up....but you may be right...and I agreed then he was the best possible #2QB available in the league...
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 28, 2009 8:06 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, you and I agreed.....
Terry thought that it was goofy and others scoffed. Anyway, I think it could be a great deal especially since Roy is really excited about Kitna coming according to Eaton. He thinks that he will help Romo out a lot.
I can see that...
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
Jerry may have cut
Pacman for PR reasons and plans to bring him back once all the tickets are sold. Pure speculation fueled by the Henry trade. But that would explain Pacman’s public displays of confidence.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
We need a
General Manager!
I live and die with the Dallas Cowboys
I'd trade the entire draft for that!
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
I think the Cowboys should leave the GMing to a democratic board of BTB members.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 28, 2009 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
Hard to say how that would turn out actually
seem to be a lot of true blue Jerry supporters on this site.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
They'd kick him to the curb if they got a share of the GM seat.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 28, 2009 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
Paper, Scissors, Rock
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 28, 2009 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
All the Cowboys needed to do was get a decent QB in case Romo gets hurt
And do this instead.
Pray that Romo doesn’t have a knee injury that knocks him out for 2 months.
PLAYOFFS?!
That's true
Just Kitna has been tossing all those picks for an extra decade. I would hope that a younger QB could grow while holding the clip-board (Carr with the Giants) what’s the upside with Kitna? Does anybody here like Kitna over Garcia? TO might not be happy.
Yes
Garcia’s a system QB. Unless the Boys switch to a West Coast offense ….
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
exactly. why can't people see that?
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That's in the past....
so move on. We can’t change it.
I'm going to repeat myself again guys.
Remember Romo and Roy had zero chemistry last year together. Maybe they feel like Kitna can help with that. After all, remember we did give up a boat-load for Roy already.
Maybe that led to them not wanting Kyle Boller?
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 28, 2009 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
Ummmm
Kitna is a decent QB.
Guys you act like this guy is garbage.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
+1
far from it and a lot better than Boller.
#1...he may never touch the ball his whole career....
#2…IF he has to play, I have all the confidence in the world he can drive the ball, score, and win with this stable of talent….talent to the likes he’s never seen…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 28, 2009 8:11 PM CST up reply actions
I'm warming up to it.
Henry is clearly on the decline, and it’d make things worse to move Hamlin just to accommodate an aging player.
Now we don’t have to worry bout missing Romo for a game or two. Kitna can step in capably.
All we gotta do is draft like we did last year and we’re money.
It's not accommadation
The Boys need a safety. Jerry can buy a free agent, hope to hit one in the draft or slide Herny over. Now that option is gone, and backup QB was upgraded to effing Kitna.
You think Kitna will light a fire under Romo's ass?
by beautifultyrant on Feb 28, 2009 3:27 PM CST reply actions
I hope it does
Unfortunately I think Romo’s smarts are his flaws sometimes. Too much of a realist. Too much so to think his job is in jeopardy to Kitna, though it’d help if he did feel some pressure.
Stop throwing picks
Or Kitna will come in and throw a pick
LOL
Funny but true
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Feb 28, 2009 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
LMFAO!!!
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YOU Decide...
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Kitna's not afraid of anybody.....
He will get in your face and I kinda like that.
I
think he did a really good job mentoring Carson Palmer.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
at least push him a little
There’s no sense of urgency in Romo.
by beautifultyrant on Feb 28, 2009 3:28 PM CST reply actions
Are we talking about the same Jon Kitna?
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
Henry sucks....
It’s good we finally got rid of him. Kitna won’t make a difference since our season will go down if Romo gets hurt regardless of who’s back there (unless we get Peyton…and not even since our OLine wont give him 3 seconds back there).
Im ready for Pacman II….. I feel the rotten apples coming at me.
I'm not going to throw any
I think you may be right. I don’t know where else Jerry could turn that is as cost effective.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
I'm with you
Jerry has done nothing to address the locker room issues, so why not bring back pack
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
What do you want Jerry to do?
HATERADE: Two scoops of Eric Allen, add water and stir.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 28, 2009 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
You don't really want me to go into that.....
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
please do
HATERADE: Two scoops of Eric Allen, add water and stir.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 28, 2009 3:38 PM CST up reply actions
I'll give you my short list
Fire Wade
Fire GM
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
But I know, I know
its never going to happen so why insist on it
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
Fire the GM..Not sure if coaching is all the bad
But this team did not listen to a heavy handed BP. They do not listen to a friend in Wp.
But they might
have listened to both, if they wouldn’t have thought they could go around the HC to Jerry.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
No Glory...
You really don’t.
You’ll be reading a post about the good old days and all of that crap.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
Airforce
Can you just disagree with me without being mean about it. I am an old man, please go easy : )
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
I'm just joshing.
It’s all in good fun. Didn’t mean to offend.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
LOL
So its your idea of fun to pick on old men who dream of glory days that never really were all that glorious?
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
yeah its kinda like watching kids fall down. funny but mean but mostly funny.
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
YEAH!
I was driving around the block a couple of days ago and saw some teenager whiff on a skateboard, it was AWESOME.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
He was probably moving too fast for my old eyes
But that would have been funny
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
NNNNEEEEEVVVEEEERRRRR!!!!!!
I’ll be damned if we should bring him back!
He's already issued a muzzle
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 28, 2009 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
Anybody know what this means cap-wise?
Taking on Kitna and dumping Henry?
HATERADE: Two scoops of Eric Allen, add water and stir.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 28, 2009 3:30 PM CST reply actions
I would assume they'd have to renegotiate Kitna's contract
unless he recently did so with Detroit.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 28, 2009 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
According to DMN
We might be saving a couple mil.
Henry was due a $1 million roster bonus in June and was scheduled to make $3.6 million in 2009. Kitna, who was a candidate to be released, has a year left on his contract and is scheduled to make $1.95 million, according to NFLPA figures.
"So you can’t stiff arm at all? What about the throat?"- Marion "Barbarian" Barber
Hot Lindsey Soto just said that Kitna's roster bonus is due in March.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 28, 2009 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
Uno million.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 28, 2009 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
i love me some alex flanagan myself : )
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
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she's quite da hottie IMHO....
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YOU Decide...
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No way.
Soto’s sooo hotter.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 28, 2009 6:52 PM CST up reply actions
i think the true question here is… what does our fellow brotherin, montecico tex feels about this????
Well he is a hard core christian. Wont be no talk of playboy bunnies, loose women, or Cabo.
Though he may be pear shaped.
and
let’s not forget …. Kitna threw for over 4,000 the 2 years before he got hurt …. just sayin
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
true
but we didn’t trade for him to be a starter, they wanted a capable backup. A guy who has thrown for over 4,000 yards (and has thrown to RW11 a lot) as a backup isn’t that bad at all.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
Yeah but he was under a Mike Martz system where QBs throw like hell and garner nothing in terms of wins
Jason Garrett on the other hand is just a confused individual.
PLAYOFFS?!
i don't know about trading henry...
he’s not the greatest in coverage but he’s certainly not a liability. and i thought we were going to move him to safety?
does this mean we’re definitely going to address the safety position in the draft and/or free agency?
i hope so….
"They need security in the world, Craig!"
He's gotta be better than Brad
At least Kitna could come off the bench and finish a game. He’s no huge threat that will make teams cower, but I think if Kitna was at the helm, we could have beaten the Rams.
How Bout Them Cowboys!
I'd just like to say
Between Blogging the Boys and Bleeding Green Nation I’d say as far as the community are the tops among the NFL SB Nation blogs.
PLAYOFFS?!
I'm sorry guys
but I really don’t see the problem here. Some folks are acting like we gave up Newman. We paid Jenkins 1st round money so let’s see if he can earn it. As for Henry, the guy was always hurt, is 33 years old, has lost a step and was never going to be able to play safety. We improved the back up QB position (and cheaply I might add) and saved cap space while still keeping all of our draft picks. I just don’t see the problem. If you want a 5th corner draft him because we don’t need Springs either.
What if Kitna
and Roy W. make a Lions clique in the locker room and cause more issues?? OMG
and about Henry, he was a liability at times, he left Mason wide open throughout the ravens game. I supported moving him to safety but I guess that’s over with.
"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips
Kitna, 36, was happy enough with the idea of ending up in Dallas as Tony Romo’s backup that he reworked his contract to give the Cowboys more cap room.
Kitna added an undetermined number of years to the deal, according to a source, but he still will earn the $4 million.
Henry, 32, who had been with the Cowboys for four years and was a starter for the past three, was surprised by the move, according to a source. Henry was scheduled to make $3.6 million, including a $1 million roster bonus that was coming due.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
Key words "BACKUP" QB
“Well he throws more INTS then TDS”
Him and almost every other backup QB in the league.
Thats why they are backup QBs.
Yeah you have a Kerry Collins who managed a team and you have a Kurt Warner who fit into system.. but they are few and far between.
People now are talking about Byron Leftwich like he’s god.. why because he finished a game against a couple of teams?
Did I miss the part where he was beat out by David Garrard?
I know Kitna can throw it accurate 15 yards down field, THAT I KNOW.
More then likely if you lose your QB for more then a few games your screwed anyways, so hopefully we never have to find out how good Kitna still is.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
Airforce, one thing though...
He knows how to get the ball to Roy. It’s apparent that Romo doesn’t. He can work with Romo on that since they gave a boatload to get Roy. We are in agreement on everything but I don’t think the season’s over if Romo goes down. I refuse to believe that.
I don't refuse to believe it...
I just know that statistically it isn’t in anyones favor with a backup.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
I know it's just there are some on here....
that act like the sky is falling if your QB goes down. You’re correct many times that is the case, but sometimes it works out.
Well...
there are many on here that think the sky is falling when you’re backup kickoff returner is done for the year… so I wouldn’t judge football on that haha.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
LOL.......
I just get tired of some on here that act like Romo is the second coming and if he’s out we can’t win a game. As you can tell, I don’t believe that. I like Romo but he’s not the entire team.
Yep...
Last year he definitly being out hurt significantly though.
The dropoff was huge.
Have you read the board during a game yet?
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
No, usually I'm too busy screaming at the Tv....
I won’t tell you what I’m screaming…..lol
Just check it out one time...
Trust me, the word overreaction is put to a test.
It becomes 3-0 at the first of any game and there are at least four people who are like…“Its just going to be one of those games guys.”
Haha, I’m serious.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
Now that's funny!
I’ll have to check it out.
QB is only 1 of 22 positions guy...I am sure Kitna could take this team to 9 victories if he had to go the whole year...
not saying I want to see that…..but don’t underestimate him in a talent filled line up like this…I’ll put it like this…He’s better than Matt Cassel’s, and hey got 11 victories in NE….catch my drift ?
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 28, 2009 8:18 PM CST up reply actions
A Step in the Right Direction
Tex is cautiously optimistic… Kitna, a man of integrity and honor, is the perfect backup; however, he’s not going to push Romo on the field. If this is coupled with another move in April, drafting a quarterback of the future, this is clearly a step in the right direction.
PS: Here’s hoping Romo spends more time with John Kitna than Joe Simpson.
a man of integrity and honor
I’m sorry, I know I said I wasn’t going to respond to him but…
“a man of integrity and honor”.. what do you hang out with him?
Integrity and honor are pretty strong words.. I mean the dudes a football player, its not like he’s a medal of honor winner.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
I hate to admit it guys.
but I agree with Montecito
AirForce,
not the inegrity part, but the mentoring and drafting part.
Well that...
of course is solid.
I mean that’s what you want out of a good veteran QB.
I like the Kitna trade, I just don’t think he’s running for mayor anytime soon.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
Good Trade
I would liked to have signed Leftwitch or Simms but they would be more expensive. Also they are probably looking for a starting gig or a chance to start. Kitna is a decent qb and a major upgrade from Johnson. If he has to start some games I think the offense can score some points. True he would probably throw some picks but he can throw the ball downfield and a defense cant put everyone in the box.
Another Detroit Trade?
We keep getting players from an 0-16 team – this can’t be good.
I live and die with the Dallas Cowboys
Remember
They practice harder than the Cowboys
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Feb 28, 2009 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
LOL! We're talkin' 'bout PRACTICE?!?!
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YOU Decide...
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I'm a little blurry here
In the last thread, people were praising the Patriots for getting a 2nd round pick for a guy who won’t play and an aging overpriced veteran. We get a competent backup QB for an aging overpriced veteran, and its a terrible thing. I feel better with Jenkins at RCB, Henry was never making a full time move to FS, and we cleared a salary that just might give us the cap space to goafter Leonhart(sp?) orr maybe J. Philips from the Bucs.
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
Just life...
on the boards.
Everyones trash is someone elses’s treasure.
Not everyone is going to agree, and sometimes you just have people who don’t know what the hell they’re talking about.
Yeah… I said it. haha
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
From DMN
A day after he was unable to reach a deal to remain in Atlanta linebacker Keith Brooking has joined the. Cowboys.
Brooking will sign a three year deal.
The move reunites Brooking with coach Wade Phillips, who was his defensive coordinator in Atlanta.
We will have more on this later.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
Love it. Brooking is a no-nonsense, hard-ass baller who can still bring it. Great addition.
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YOU Decide...
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Now, that's funny....
Ya need to post pics like Montecito does
LMAO!!!
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YOU Decide...
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Someone share some info on Brookings
I know almost nothing about him. Is he another longtime vet?
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Feb 28, 2009 4:45 PM CST reply actions
He's
been with Atlanta since 98. 5 time pro bowler. 33 years old.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
Not sure what to think
I wasn’t a fan of the Zach Thomas experiment. Maybe this will be different.
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Feb 28, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
one good thing about Brooking
He hasn’t missed a game since 2001. (Knock on wood) He’s also much bigger than Thomas at 6-2, 242 lbs. And he’s worked with Wade before.
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
I guess that's 3 things........
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
Is it a good thing that he's not Ray Lewis?
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
Depends on how much his contract is
As much as I like Lewis, I think we just got an aging veteran to play ILB for much cheaper than it would cost to sign Lewis, who is an aging veteran ILB.
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
Yes. Because he doesn't cost nearly as much as Ray-Ray's gonna want.
And this is comin’ from a HUGE FAN of Lewis and The U.
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Zach Thomas was...
ok.
He definitly was better then Akin.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
I guess this move will pretty much put the Ray thing to bed....
It further explains why Ray backed off his comments yesterday saying that he never said that he dreamed of playing for the Boys.
Brooking was probably the better value
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
Yea, hes definitely alot less expensive than Ray
but we’ll have to see how he plays next year. Will be a starter or will Burnett/Thomas/Carpenter or someone else start if they’re resigned or here
He is old and I remember him giving up the winning play to the Cards in the playoffs. I’m mixed on this. I thought we were going young.
"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips
We are going old
I think this is what happens when you are tight against the cap. Seems like we only sign our own guys if they are already in their 30s (e.g., Flo and Tnew). We let other teams acquire our talent if they are young and moving into their prime (e.g., Canty, Burnett).
Ideally you would probably want to keep these guys. But you can only resign so many. Jerry already made his bed with the likes of Flo, TO, Tnew, (any other aging veterans I’m missing?).
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
TNew
Just turned 30 last season, he’s still in his prime.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Feb 28, 2009 5:58 PM CST up reply actions
It's not really his age that I'm concerned with....
It’s the injuries the past 2 years that concern me.
I think you
are right about that. I just wonder what Bobby Carpenter is thinking? This is twice now that the organization has gone out and paid an aging player to basically take his spot. Ouch!
So you think Brooking was just signed to play ST?
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Feb 28, 2009 6:00 PM CST up reply actions
But Brooking is bigger than Z. Thomas and IMHO an upgrade.
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
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exactly
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YOU Decide...
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Alright a little action today.
I knew Jerry couldn’t hold out long. Looks like Burnett is going bye bye now.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
Thomas yes...
But I don’t necessarily think so for Burnett.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
Agree, about Thomas....
Not necessarily Burnett.. It could be the same type scenario as last year
He actually played pretty good last year.
I saw a couple of games while I was waiting for the Boys to come on. He did mess up pretty bad in the playoff against AZ, but you can’t hold that against him.
So anybody wondering why
the hell the Chiefs only had to give up a 2nd round pick for Cassel?
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
I was real suprised over the compensation
Belichick must really respect and like Scott Pioli. It looks like a gift to me…
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
I heard...
That they’d rather have the second pick then the first because of salary cap issues.
Honest to god.
Which is why the NFL needs a rookie salary cap.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
Agree with you on the rookie salary cap
Its the 34th pick overall, so its at the top of the second.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
Plus they could control where he went....
They didn’t want someone in their own division to snatch him up.
I dont think I like this Brooking thing.
Good to cover the need but, not much of an upgrade from Zach. At least he’s a good locker room guy I guess.
HATERADE: Two scoops of Eric Allen, add water and stir.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 28, 2009 5:02 PM CST reply actions
I like it.
I still can’t believe they traded Henry for Kitna. I mean, Henry pissed me off many times last year, but this leaves us with Jenkins starting at corner? I’m not sure how I feel about that.
Plus, who are our starting safetys at this point and time? Roy and Hamlin?
Can Scandrick beat out Jenkins?
I think he can.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
We drafted Jenkins in the first round
He didn’t play poorly when needed (sans tackling), and if we waited another year to start him, people would start calling him a bust because he couldn’t beat out Henry. I’d say the staff thinks he beat out Henry, and that’s why Henry is gone.
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
I think the only...
horrible game he had was against the Giants.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
Did you see his play against the Rams?
Granted the whole defense played poorly… but still….
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
He wasn't horrible
He did have a pick six and was solid in coverage. It’s that one play where he forgot to tackle or even move at all.
"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips
Brookings best year ever
stats wise, was playing ILB when he played with Wade.
I was just looking at Brooking's stats
Is 2003 the year he played for Wade?
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
Raf can he still play.
Tim was leery of him and felt he lost speed. I have to admit I saw Atlanta several times and dont remember much of him. I think he said he was on the outside but would be better suited on the inside for us. I also wonder if he really lost his speed or was his wheels dinged up.
Here's an interesting little note
This will be the first time he’s ever played for a team outside of Georgia. He played high school football there, went to Georgia Tech, and was drafted by Atlanta.
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
Looks like the Chiefs will be one of those teams
that makes a quick turnaround this year.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
Why not?
good GM and HC. Had a good draft last season. Good time to be a chiefs fan.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
Although I read a couple of their veterans aren't
so fond of Pioli and Haley.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Feb 28, 2009 5:09 PM CST up reply actions
Isn't that a good sign?
Veterans hate change…. especially when change is needed.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
Yeah I guess your right
but it seems theirs a good number of players Haley has dealt with that aren’t big fans of him.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Feb 28, 2009 5:13 PM CST up reply actions
I'm still skeptical...
They still need better pass rushers.
Ten sacks all year long is pathetic.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
Yeah that is really pathetic.
They can take Orakpo with their 1st pick though.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Feb 28, 2009 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
I like Jenkin starting for Henry.
I thought that was the road they were taking anyway. Scandrick is best in the slot and looks like we’ll be relying on Alan Ball alot more, unless we bring back Pacman, uh oh…
"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips
I say we bring back pac
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
I don't know anymore
Jerry says the locker room stuff was overblown. So why not? We can probably get him on the cheap.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
I'd much rather bring in Springs any day
than have to put up with Pac any more.
What did we have to put up with?
I thought we didn’t believe the mediots about the divided locker room. If there are no chemistry issues, and why not take jerry at his word, then I say bring him back
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
Wait a second
At times he was one of the better corners out there this year. I actually thought you, Airforce, would be on board with this one.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
Oh hell no...
He made a couple of tipped balls…
But he was lost in coverage sometimes and had as many ints and long punt returns as I did.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
So if jerry made this move
you would criticize it?
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
Yeah...
I think you have me wrong.
I’m very critical of alot of Jerry’s moves.
I just don’t criticize every move.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
agree... but esp if Springs can stay healthy and not miss any games
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I'd even look at other corners as well.....
what a lot of guys don’t realize was that the reason that the Titans let go of PacMan wasn’t just because of all the off field crap. When he got in trouble, they realized that Finnigan was much better than over-rated PacMan to begin with. It just made it easier for them to let Pac-Man go. Basically, Jerry got suckered into that deal imo.
plus, pacman had zero value at the time, so da king was trying to get him on the cheap
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YOU Decide...
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+1
Jerry tried to sucker someone but he ended up being the one that got suckered.
HA-HA-HA!!! I know right...
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YOU Decide...
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Yeah another 30 something year old
Who is injury prone.
by joey7289 on Feb 28, 2009 5:13 PM CST up reply actions
Well...
You’re bringing him in for dime situations.
I mean the only other alternative is drafting one really for age.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
For a cheap price yes
I would rather draft one.
by joey7289 on Feb 28, 2009 5:15 PM CST up reply actions
No, we need someone with experience....
too many young-uns. We need someone back there to help out Newman. There’s also, a good chance that Newman goes down again. Do you really want another rookie back there if that happens?
So what we sign yet another 30 year old guy?
We just traded one, I guess if we did it for salary then it makes sense but how much do we really save on the trade.
by joey7289 on Feb 28, 2009 5:17 PM CST up reply actions
Shawn Springs is about twice as good as Henry.
It’s not all age. It’s ability
When he's on the field
He missed more games then Henry last year, and if the ability is so sought after why would we sign him just to play the dime.
by joey7289 on Feb 28, 2009 5:19 PM CST up reply actions
does trading
Henry give us cap space to signeither spirngs or buchanon?
Maybe burnett?
by oneforthethumb on Feb 28, 2009 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
I forgot about this.
and awkwardly with Bradie James. After the Lions beat the Cowboys in 2006, Kitna made some disparaging remarks about James, but the two patched things up after Dallas beat Detroit in 2007.
any chance
the cowboys cut kitna and not pay his bonus due 3/3?
by oneforthethumb on Feb 28, 2009 5:15 PM CST up reply actions
So the point of trading for him would be...................?
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
kind of like bball
take expiring contract and a lower cap hit with a higher bonus?
by oneforthethumb on Feb 28, 2009 5:18 PM CST up reply actions
Am I the only one who doesn't like Kitna
Or the Brooking signing, the guy hasn’t had a pro bowl year since 2005, and doesn’t he have a concussion problem?
by joey7289 on Feb 28, 2009 5:12 PM CST reply actions
On this board, mostly yes.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
I don't like him either
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Feb 28, 2009 5:17 PM CST up reply actions
Kitna isn't a bad sign...
He can push the ball down the field and is better than alot of what is out there. Henry was injury prone. Was either going to be the 4th CB or FS….His time here was short anyways..
Doesn't Kitna have injury problems as well
Not to mention attitude problems.
by joey7289 on Feb 28, 2009 5:18 PM CST up reply actions
Don't let him predict what our final record in 2009 will be
He sucks as a prognosticator.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Feb 28, 2009 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
Injury problems? He's the backup. The only injury problem we have with him is the injury that forces him onto the field.
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
yeah, too many post on this board....here's a better one..
Burnett is about to sign with the Dolphins…..Anyone have that??? lol
What a surprise,
Miami signed another Cowboy.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Feb 28, 2009 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
and that'll probably mean da King will be drafting a linebacker or two come April.
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
He'll probably excel there and be healthy for 5 years straight.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 28, 2009 5:19 PM CST up reply actions
Now, that ticks me off......
I’m tired of Miami getting all of our guys.
Burnett
I don’t care what the experts say. I think Burnett would have been really good next to James; he’s quick, athletic, and can cover. They should have singed him and given him a chance.
by beautifultyrant on Feb 28, 2009 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
Welcome to the party, Hans
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
Kitna???
I’m nauseated.
Brooking, OK, a good choice for solid vet since Zach didn’t want to return. They’ll still be looking for the future ILB in the draft.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
brooking
Isn’t Brooking washed up? I hope he can still play. I’m tired of the Cowboys picking up old players. He’ll be nothing more than a band-aid. Just let Carpenter play to see what he can do.
It’s high time to find a young ILB to pair with James.
by beautifultyrant on Feb 28, 2009 5:18 PM CST reply actions
IDK
I don’t like it, hasn’t had a pro bowl year since 2005, and is always injuried.
by joey7289 on Feb 28, 2009 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
Brooking's gonna make a nice mentor for McKillop
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 28, 2009 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
+1
time to let carpenter play.
i have a feeling he is another vrabel.
by oneforthethumb on Feb 28, 2009 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
Carpenter
You know, Parcells wanted him last year instead of Akin. He has to know something. He obviously believes in him if he wanted him.
by beautifultyrant on Feb 28, 2009 5:27 PM CST up reply actions
He played with Wade in 2001 when he was with the Falcons so there is a connection.
They played the 3-4 there so he is familiar. Brookings is old in the tooth and I’m not sure if he is an upgrade over Zach. At least we didn’t get Ray Ray….
Jerry Jones -YOU ROCK!!
Thanks again buddy!! First you took Roy Boy Williams from us, now Kitten. "The Cancer is spreading to Texas. " They are both a couple of cry-babies wanting their way all the time. Mr. Mayhew has got your number Jerry!!!
I take it your from atlanta
Any props to jerry for acquiring Brookings?
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
You guys will probably screw up that 1st Rounder from us anyways.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 28, 2009 6:56 PM CST up reply actions
How anyone can actually broadcast being as Lions fans is beyond belief...
and any Lion’s fan that comes on another teams site to talk trash is just outright lunacy………
GET A FRIGGIN LIFE GUY…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 28, 2009 8:29 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not sure about the kitna move
I liked it when it was for draft picks. But for Henry? Now, I know that both of them are old and declining players, and kitna surely seems to have more left in the tank then henry, who was starting to lose his coverage ability. But Kitna can’t have more than 2 years left himself right? is it worth it to lose the cb depth to gain qb depth? I guess qbs are harder to come by. Jenkins and Scandrick are now thrust into the spoltlight. If/when newman goes down, these two are gonna be covering some good wrs in this division and the nfc south.
The secondary and oline are now our primary positions of need i think.
Points to 2010
These two moves are more about 2010 than 2009. Jerry is trying to shore up a leaky boat so he can get to a safe harbor. Neither one of these moves is any kind of down payment on reaching the SB. He needs to keep the salary and length of contracts low so that the real house cleaning can begin next year. He also has to give Wade enough rope to hang himself. Mission accomplished
by steelyeyedmissle on Feb 28, 2009 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
I think your right
Jerry put all his eggs in the 2008 basket. Now he’s going to have to spend 2009 making up for it. seems a never ending cycle though…
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
Kitna
Wish they would have taken Carpenter for Kitna. Henry was okay and more than a throw away player to me. Maybe Henry cleared more cap space than Carpenter. I liked some of the FA QBs better than Kitna, but he’ll be a pretty good back-up.
I like the Brookings signing. Our D is really pretty young, so I don’t worry about adding a little age if the price isn’t too bad. I’m sure we’ll darft an ILB too.
I think Burnett is good player. It worries me that we will let him go b/c of concenrs about his size in a 3-4, yet Miami and 3-4 guru Parcells are willing to sign him. I would have liked to let him try to play more last year (over thomas) to see if he ould have held up. I miss th sppedy defenses of Cowboy teams in days of yore.
kitna
kitna will help monitor romo on the side line on the philosophy of mike martz complex timing offense, which is a hybird of ernie zampesee, norv turner, but the father of this offense was the great don coryell of the cardinals, chargers fame. the quarterback of the future is not on the roster yet. if romo does not bring home a lombardi trophy by 2010, can u say colt mccoy of texas.
Oh give me a break....
So if Romo doesn’t win a super bowl by 2010 he’s gone?
Pssh.
That’s ridiculous.
I’ll say that they need to draft for a QB to groom, but IF and I think its a big if.. Colt McCoy goes in the first round of next year, do you REALLY think Dallas will draft him.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
McCoy is a beast
we should draft him next year after Kitna retires with a superbowl ring and let McCoy grow under Romo the 09 MVP. (sarcasm and hope combined)
"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips
I need some of the glue or the paint that is being huffed at Valley Ranch. Somebody down there is Trippin’. Kitna? Brooking? I was gloating earlier how Albert Haynesworth’s signing made Jerry look like a model of fiscal sanity compared to Little Danny. Now..I think Jerry picked a bad week to stop sniffin glue.
Fine with the moves today...
…although I’m not that psyched about Brookings— I think he’s similar to Zach Thomas (can play 1st and 2nd down, best against the run, suspect in coverage), except he’s a bit worse than Zach in every way. So I think we downgraded there. But he was cheap and maybe Wade can help him improve over his performance in ATL last year.
The HEnry/Kitna thing is cool— we save a bit of cap, we get a top 10-12 backup QB, and we ditch a CB who the coaches clearly don’t feel they could count on anymore. So it surprised me a bit but I’m not complaining.
But at the end of the day I’ve still got one big question— WHAT ABOUT SAFETY???
We’ve had a safety hole for 5+ years now, since Darren Woodson’s career ended. It was a gaping hole in the Parcells regime, when it cost us game against the lowly Lions and Jon Kitna at the end of the 2006 season and when McNabb and Hank Baskett ended Pat Watkins’ career, all the way through the Wade years, when we’ve seen everyone from Jeremy Shockey to DeSean Jackson eviscerate whatever safety is assigned to cover them.
Hamlin’s still decent as one part of the puzzle, but we desperately need a SS who is tough enough for run support but can also cover. Roy and Keith Davis only get the first half of that statement done (and sometimes not even that). So where’s our starting SS for 2009 coming from? It looks like it’s gotta be the draft at this point, but are there guys out there in the 2nd or 3rd round that you feel comfortable starting from Day 1?
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Kitna is as good as any other qb out there
and he’s worlds better than BJ. We could have definitely acquired a worse backup, thats for sure. Hopefully he’ll never take a snap this season anyway.
In Romo we Trust
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