Cowboys Free Agency Update: Late Night Snack
by Rafael Vela on Feb 28, 2009 10:02 PM CST
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What have we learned today?
Dallas swapped a 40 year old Brad Johnson for a 36 year old Jon Kitna. They swapped a 35 year old, undersized Zach Thomas for a 33 year old Keith Brooking, who has the size to play inside. He also has the experience, posting his two best statistical seasons playing ILB for Wade Phillips in 2002 and 2003.
It's clear that Brooking could no longer play outside in a 4-3, which he tried to do for this year's Falcons, but he may be stout enough and smart enough to provide production. I hope so. My lingering memories of Zach Thomas are from the two Redskins games, where Thomas played the pinata and Chris Samuels and Pete Kendall played the stick swinging kids -- without blindfolds.
This increases the odds that Dallas takes an ILB in the earlier rounds, but takes the pressure off that draftee to perform immediately.
The moves also show that Wade Phillips is treating '09 as his last, as well he should. If Phillips is going down, he's going down with players he knows and trusts. Wade made Brooking a lot of money and Brooking can help prolong Wade's career if he has any gas left in his tank.
Other News of Note:
Funky Dollar Bill -- Chris Canty remains in New York and one report says the Giants are toying with the idea of adding him to their DT rotation.
The same report also claims Canty's agent is contemplating moving his agent to other stops. Canty apparently wants $8M a season, which may explain why he lost out to Albert Hayesworth in Washington and Rocky Bernard in New York.
That's right -- $8 million a year.
Springs Loaded? -- Free agent DB Shawn Springs will visit the Patriots tomorrow. Gil Brandt told Sirius NFL Radio tonight that the Cowboys should bring Springs in for a visit. They might not get the chance.
Note the linked story claims the Patriots are contemplating moving the 6'0", 207 lb. Springs to free safety.
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geeez....Springs would make a great FS while we groom a young guy to eventually take over in a year or two...
Jerry’s gota get on the ball….
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 28, 2009 10:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'd be checking out Leigh Bodden as well.....
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 10:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if healthy springs is still a bad ass and a steal for 2 years…
by raven on Feb 28, 2009 11:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess
Seems Kind of puzzling, But atleast we are trying something.
In Romo we might Trust!
by rocj55 on Feb 28, 2009 10:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Bodden would be alot pricier than Springs....
but what the heck, we got the money …..not sure if he’s free safety material though..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 28, 2009 10:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He's a corner but I saw somewhere when he got cut from the Lions...
that he wasn’t going to be that expensive because he wants to prove that he’s still a good player. He had a very bad experience in Detroit
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 10:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Man is it me or has today been just Crazy?
Cutler is still saying that he thinks he’s on the trading block. Can you believe that? Hmm….I’m tempted…Can you imagine what fire I would ignite if I said let’s trade for him?lol
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 10:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
?
I LOVE Romo, but would think about trading him for Cutler. I know it’s all nonsense and it’s fantasy talk. There are maybe 2 or 3 QBs I’d take over Romo, and Cutler is a close call.
by Blammo on Feb 28, 2009 11:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you....
this kid is the real deal. Hey, I got it. We bring in Cutler and then hire Shanahan next year. See how easy that was? LOL
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 11:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he's not as good as Romo
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Mar 1, 2009 7:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Man crush...
at its finest.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Mar 1, 2009 10:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
call it whatever you want
but Romo’s numbers are simply better no matter how you look at it.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Mar 2, 2009 8:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well....let's take that to the testing grounds...
These are averages per start statistics…
Romo-
21 completions per game
33 pass attempts per game
270 yards per game
63.6 completion percentage
8.1 yards per pass attempt
2.07 TD’s per game
1.11 INT’s per game
.82 fumbles per game
.3 fumbles lost per game
Cutler
20 completions per game
32 pass attempts per game
243 yards per game
62.5 completion percentage
7.4 yards per pass attempt
1.45 TD’s per game
.91 INT’s per game
.64 fumbles per game
.21 fumbles lost per game
Ok…Now you look into underlying factors like age and development…
Romo was slowly groomed, given 3 and a half seasons to learn the entire system, get reps as the scout QB, and throughout the OTA’s and training camps, while the understudy of pro bowl QB’s and established coaches. Some would even say he was provided with much better talent at skill positions and offensive line personel. The question is, Will Jay Cutler be better in three years, than he already is now ? hmm.. The betting man will indeed say YES, seeing that he is now going to be groomed in a very QB pass friendly Josh McDaniels run offense, with a multitude of weapons, and a soon to be drastically improved OL and RB corps…..
We’ll see………Jay Cutler in his first 37 starts is very comparable to Tony Romo in his first 39 starts. Tony Romo may average 27 yards more per game, but he also makes 1 more pass per game than Cutler. The real determining factor to me is TURNOVERS. which greatly reduces chances for winning. Romo also averages more interceptions and fumbles per game than Cutler. So it boils down to if you’d prefer 27 yards more per game passing, or would you prefer less turnovers, and a greater chance at winning ?
I am not saying Romo’s turnovers can’t be reduced, as I still contend it’s Garrett’s play calling that gets Romo in trouble, but Cutlers shown less instances of turnovers and poise without the added benefit of learning and progressing on the bench for three years, which is a really good sign for a young QB.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 2, 2009 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
Cutler’s propensity for committing TOs isn’t any better than Romo’s. They are both gunslingers who like to make plays and Romo numbers proves he makes more.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Mar 2, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I do like you're statistics...
And trust me I don’t want to get into this Romo vs. Cutler argument because it really doesn’t matter.
BUUUUT I’ll say that Cutler has had the benefit of playing against Oakland and Kansas City Chiefs.
That is all.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Mar 2, 2009 9:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
texstar let me help you out then
I would trade Romo for Culter in a heart beat. I would throw in his dumb blonde girlfriend as well
by 082288 on Feb 28, 2009 11:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!!!!
I’m glad to hear that I’m not the only one that feels that way.
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 11:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I love Cutlers upside
I wonder if he have seen all Romo has to offer. I think Romo took a step backwords in 08.
by 082288 on Feb 28, 2009 11:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree....
Plus the comments coming out of his mouth after the season didn’t exactly give me a whole lot of hope either.
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 11:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree when he threw his OC under the bus after the Philly game was strange
A QB can always change a play if he does not like it.
His I am ready to be more of a leader comment was werid as well
by 082288 on Feb 28, 2009 11:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Then I would send TO to Denver for Brandon Martshall
Just to pave the way for Shanahan coming to Dallas after this season :)
by 082288 on Feb 28, 2009 11:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lmao...i know...suprised Montecito hasn't said something..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 28, 2009 10:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
LOL....I'm tempted but I don't want to hear it from you know who?
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 10:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Terry would would hunt you down!
In Romo we might Trust!
by rocj55 on Feb 28, 2009 10:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know.....
Can you imagine the uproar?
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 10:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So guys, I'll ask the question ?
Who would trade Romo for Cutler?
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 11:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well
Cutler has more upside physically, but as of right now, both are completely victimized by dumb decisions. If you think Romo’s december collapse was bad….cutler was in a whole other league.
That being said, I think either qb is good enough to win a superbowl for a team led by its passing game. They just need better guidance from their coaching.
Given the fact that cutler is much younger than romo, i’d do that trade, and to be honest, cutler is one of only 3 or 4 guys in the league id say that about (Rivers, Ben being the other two that i can think of)
by foyesboys on Mar 1, 2009 12:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree.....
I really like this kid….he remains me a lot of Elway.
by texstar on Mar 1, 2009 12:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What do you guys think of Tyler Thigpen?
With the Cassel trade he should be released. I think he would be a great Back-up QB
In Romo we might Trust!
by rocj55 on Feb 28, 2009 10:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I doubt he would be traded..
More likely Croyle. I honestly don’t know much about Croyle but they say he’s injury prone.
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 10:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
HELLO rocj...we just found a back up...TRADED for him actually..
btw..Thigpen will stay in KC as back up..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 28, 2009 10:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but.......
If we just waited a little, we would have gotten younger and a higher ceiling on the QB.
In Romo we might Trust!
by rocj55 on Feb 28, 2009 10:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would like to get the Safety situation settled prior to the draft though...
I think we missed the boat on a young guy like G Wilson…also older stop gap types like Dawkins and Sharper…heck even Eugene Wilson or a Viincent Fuller should have gotten a look…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 28, 2009 10:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
G Wilson is JAG...he got cut from the Raiders...that's gotta tell you something...
by CaliFanInTx on Feb 28, 2009 10:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah but the Raiders also traded R Moss for a fourth round pick
In Romo we might Trust!
by rocj55 on Feb 28, 2009 10:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It tells me they paid him superstar money
even though he’s a good player and then got mad because he wasn’t Ronnie Lott’s clone.
It’s not his fault they can’t manage a checkbook.
by Rafael Vela on Feb 28, 2009 10:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I don't want to see the Thong still on the roster on opening day
what bright, shiny, skill position player can we trade Dan Snyder for Chris Horton?
by Rafael Vela on Feb 28, 2009 10:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How sick is that
to find Horton in the 7th? Luck is good
by cow_fanatic on Feb 28, 2009 10:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It was payback from the football gods for taking Sean Taylor
He was the only player in their draft class who did anything. I looked at all my draft books on him and the most enthusiastic rated him as a 7th round pick who should be moved to LB.
He was a true outlier.
by Rafael Vela on Feb 28, 2009 10:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I still remember
seeing him fly around in a preseason game before the year started.
by cow_fanatic on Feb 28, 2009 10:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I saw Horton play 4 years at UCLA
and I never dreamed he’d even stick with the Redskins, much less play well. I’m still not convinced that last season wasn’t an anomaly.
by DannyWhite on Feb 28, 2009 11:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Have you read Outliers?
Oh... Oh, that's giving me a clue. Yeah, ye-yeah, I've got a raging clue right now.
I was StarStruck at TBB/BSR, now...
by icStars on Feb 28, 2009 11:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we sign Joey Galloway, then polish him up for Snyder
In Romo we might Trust!
by rocj55 on Feb 28, 2009 10:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah....that he was a cap casualty....the dude had 129 tackles last season...that tells me all i need to know.,.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 28, 2009 10:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wilson was cut because although he had 129 tackles, the staff felt he was the main reason for the Raiders 2nd to last 2008 run defense.
by CaliFanInTx on Feb 28, 2009 10:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Say what?
That makes no sense. How can your safety be the reason for a poor run defense? Especially one with that many tackles. To me that says your DLine and LBs are getting blown up on regular basis, letting opposing RBs into the second level with shocking frequency. Or that the guy doesn’t have really good cover skills to knock down passes and instead has to tackle after the catch (amd yards) are made.
by WB3forMB3 on Mar 1, 2009 9:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We're kinda running out of options...
Bear with me numba but could a lot of the problems in the secondary have actually been on Henry instead of Roy? I’m probably just grasping at straws, but I’m wondering if a lot of those problem that we have seen over the last couple of years, were more on Henry and not Roy. I honestly don’t know enough about some of the coverages so be kind to me.
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 10:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I commented on that in a previous post, and I do blame Henry for leaving Roy to bail him out and try to cover for his defficiencies...
Henry was often so blown away in the short and intermediate phases, that Roy was basically taking on WR running full speed at him withen he was really just supposed to be over the top coverage…not the sole defender on plays…I’m not saying Roy’s not at fault, but he shouldn’t be blamed for every ball that gets by trying to save Henry when he got beat made Roy look bad. Strong Safeties shouldnot be 25+yards downfield anyways..that’s a CB handing off a receiver, or the pass rush not getting enough pressure…it was rarely just Roy’s fault…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 28, 2009 10:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Which leads me to my next question?
Was the Roy rumor a smokescreen because they were trying to dump Henry?
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 10:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Alot of deep balls
that Roy could beat on involved Henry as well, also Jacque Reeves. But Henry had a good season in 07, I think him and Hamlin lead in ints. So it’s not all Henry’s fault. I’m still not a supporter of keeping Roy, but if he is kept atleast give him a change to prove something with a heavier Wade approach on the D. Now that I think of it, heavier is a great word to use here.
But still, i’d rather see Roy go, move Hamlin to SS and get a new FS, through draft and/or FA.
"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips
by MrMinority on Feb 28, 2009 11:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a good perspective.....
cause sometimes watching the game on TV you don’t really know who missed their assignments/etc. By no means am I defending Roy, but I wonder if some of the blame is mis-placed on him? I know that he has probably worn out his welcome and it’s time to move on. I will say this though, we were better on stopping the run when he was in there, versus Watkins or Davis. d
by texstar on Mar 1, 2009 12:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Roy will be gone....you can count on that...Teams are still in need of a hard hitting Safety..
and the FA crop got real empty real quick….Roy is the best SS out there..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 1, 2009 8:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I should be nervous
…but for some reason I trust the Cowboys staff has the personnel issues under control. I was pretty nervous last year when they dumped Aaron Glenn but it was apparent in the end that they had a plan. The only disastrous personnel move was keeping Brad Johnson, but since they did sign and keep Bollinger as the 3rd quarterback (when they had gone with 2 before) showed me they saw the writing on the wall beforehand but didn’t have better options.
I didn’tlike he Roy Williams (WR) trade at the time, but now it seems like a very wise move getting out of the first round this year especially with 2010 looming. Gives me hope that our organizations knows what it’s doing…
by CaliFanInTx on Feb 28, 2009 10:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Come on Dallas
why didn’t you sign Ray Lewis? As a Ravens fan, I like the guy but hate paying a declining vet mega yesterday/sympathy big bucks. There’s all the talk about keeping him in Baltimore because he did so much for the team…sappy sappy sappy..I pay to watch live football not re-runs. yeah great career now lets get the young guns in. But noooo, you had to sign Brookings and now we have another Ripken on our hands. Since Cal’s last contract the Orioles haven’t sniffed the playoffs. Sympathy contracts suck. Thanks for nothing.
by raven on Feb 28, 2009 10:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
LMAO....one day they are crying cuz we may take some of their stars...now they are crying because we didn't....funnnnny
Baltimore was stripped like a hottie wearing a skirt in Central Park on Puerto Rican Day Parade.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 28, 2009 10:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, scott, their center, possibly Ray-Ray, is there anyone else they let go?
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Feb 28, 2009 10:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well the FA period is far from over but JJ may not be interested in paying Ray-Ray and Al Davis contract.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Feb 28, 2009 10:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You could almost say this is payback for beating us in the final game at Texas Stadium.
…but wouldn’t it be interesting if we did end up signing Lewis to a reduced price contract because he’s so PO’d at Baltimore?
by CaliFanInTx on Feb 28, 2009 10:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Rafael how about Abram Elam from the jets, he was on the team and
do you remember if he would be worth a look? The jets gave him a minimum tender and would not require compensation if he is lost.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Feb 28, 2009 10:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I liked Elam
and was upset when the Jets picked him up. I still like him better than any of our safeties, except Hamlin.
by illcowboy on Feb 28, 2009 10:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually like that idea
I saw a couple jets games last year and he made some plays. He would be a decent pickup for depth purposes.
by foyesboys on Mar 1, 2009 12:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I never saw anything in Elam....he is familiar with how to get to Valley Ranch though..
sign him up..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 28, 2009 10:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Kitna move
Means Dallas will be drafting a QB this year. They could have gone after younger options, but elected to get a guy to hold a clipboard for 2 years. Makes sense.
I still really like the Brookings move. I hope we can bring Burnett back
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on Feb 28, 2009 10:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I like the Kitna move....
I think it makes really good sense for both Roy W. development with Romo. I think that Romo can learn alot from Kitna if he will listen to him. Remember, Kitna and Roy W beat us pretty bad in 2006 and should have beaten us in 2007. He throws a great slant and fade route to Roys btw. That’s something that Romo hopefully could learn.
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 10:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yep, I like the Kitna move too
They never protected the guy in detroit
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on Feb 28, 2009 10:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Detroit played well against us because our defense sucked when we played them. Somehow I don't think Romo can learn much from Kitna.
by CaliFanInTx on Feb 28, 2009 10:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well he did mentor Carson Palmer and Matt Hasselbeck ....
Check out Roy E. comments about him on DC.com. He really likes the move
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 10:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and joey harrington
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 28, 2009 10:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hey don't bring uup that one...
I was doing good till you brought up Joey-just kidding
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 10:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
just came to me
I like Joey. Maybe they oughta bring him in as the 3rd!
2buckchucktonight
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 28, 2009 11:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Harrington blows that theory.
Seriously though, Kitna is not on the team to mentor Romo, he’s purely insurance against another Brad Johnson episode.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Feb 28, 2009 11:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I know but maybe he could teach Romo
a thing or two like slants/fades…you think?
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 11:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no way
If we are signing Kitna to help train Romo we are worse off than we thought
by cow_fanatic on Feb 28, 2009 11:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Feb 28, 2009 11:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't mean that...
but QB’s work together and help each other out all the time. Roy E. even said today on DC.com that Kitna helped Carson Palmer when he came to Cinn. Rodney Peete helped Troy out as well. It’s very common. He could learn some things though from Kitna.
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 11:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not the same situation here in Dallas...the other times he was the incumbent helping the new guy comng in...the roles are reversed.
by CaliFanInTx on Feb 28, 2009 11:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That is true...
but he has worked with other QB’s and he’s at that point in his career where he knows that he’s probably not going to be a starter. He’s probably like all the other poor guys out of Detroit. They just want to go somewhere and win at least one game a year-lol
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 11:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BTW, CaliFan....
are you a Romo Apologist or are you realistic?
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 11:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Aren't the two mutually inclusive?
by CaliFanInTx on Feb 28, 2009 11:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No.....
Realist accepts and blames him for his mistakes glaring as they may be. Apologists always blame either the OLine, Wide Receivers etc. It’s never Romo’s fault.
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 11:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.
Those are two polar opposites as you describe it. For the record, I think Romo is the real deal. He’s definitely a top ten QB in the league, maybe even top 5. Tony only has one big weakness, and that is that he tries to do too much sometimes. If he can figure out how to “ratchet” it back at times, his game would elevate. He needs to trust his defense more, even when sometimes they’re hard to trust.
However, I still want to see him run at full throttle most of the time because it’s fun to watch and when he finds the “groove”, he’s unstoppable. When he’s “on”, no other QB in the league can touch him.
by CaliFanInTx on Mar 1, 2009 12:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you....
so I would call you a realist.
by texstar on Mar 1, 2009 12:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know what you mean
Romo is definitely capable of taking this team places, but there are a few areas where he has to improve.
1. When things get tight, he looks to TO and Witten wayyy too much. Hes at his best when hes spreading it around.
2. He needs to learn when to tuck the ball, because the way he holds it when hes ready to pass, is just too easy to strip. There is a major advantage there in that because hes always ready to throw, he can beat the blitz better than most other qbs in the league, but as you said, he just tries to do too much. I think his INTs are kinda overblown – the ones at the end of last year were imo due in large part to just poor throws, not poor decisions. Usually hes very accurate.
3. he can get a little bigheaded i think. He needs a qb coach to keep him grounded.
Romo is one of only 10 or so qbs in the league competent enought o actually WIN his team a superbowl (and i’m not talking eli manning ride on your defense’ coattails win).
by foyesboys on Mar 1, 2009 1:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what do you mean by bigheaded?
i’ve never met the guy, but most people say he’s a great person, humble etc.
and No i’m not a hardcore Romo fan.
"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips
by MrMinority on Mar 1, 2009 2:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry bigheaded is the wrong word
but he can get a little too confident at times. That whole “put away the annointing oil” deal still seems to apply. I don’t think this is some huge character flaw on Romo’s part that will impact him through the rest of his career, we just need a coach who cna keep him a little more grounded.
by foyesboys on Mar 1, 2009 11:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He could help strengthen the connection between Romo and RW2
And if Garrett’s offense uses some of Martz’s offense, he could help there maybe.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Feb 28, 2009 11:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Romo threw the slant well for most of his first two years
starting the 2nd washington game though, his timing was just off, and that was true for most of the games in november and december.
Fades on the other hand, romos never even really thrown.
by foyesboys on Mar 1, 2009 12:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1 Romo was a few ticks off all season..especially on the quick slants..
I hope he plays more than one series in the preseason games this year…cuz his timing was off…..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 1, 2009 8:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nah i didn't notice it too much before the injury
but afterwards, he didn’t throw the ball real well.
by foyesboys on Mar 1, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it was there....not saying he was way off with his throws...but he wasn't crisp as the year before...
over throws, under throws, behind the receivers..it was there…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 1, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
his numbers indicate otherwise
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Mar 1, 2009 10:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
numbers shnumbers...i know what i saw...and I am sure several objective fans did as well.
lucky for Romo, he has top quality receivers that pulled in a few of his wounded ducks, and pigeon droppings you call accurate passes.
btw oh boycrusher of homo opps..romo-rosed colored glasses….when your completion percentage goes from a 65% career average down to a lowly 61% seasonal average…IT IS a huge indicator of a regressive season, and clearly backs up my contention that Romo was slightly off with his throws…….how’s that for numbers ?
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 2, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
there were many factors which contributed to that stat, it wasn’t all Romo, and if these so called top quality receivers would learn how to beat coverage, run correct routes and get open, I guarantee that number would be much better.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Mar 2, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He always has xray eyes when it comes to anything concerning
Romo. Have you ever noticed that?
by texstar on Mar 1, 2009 11:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just a realist......
BTW I had my eyes checked the other day and they are working fine so I know what I see.
by texstar on Mar 2, 2009 3:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This guy is funny
In Romo we might Trust!
by rocj55 on Mar 2, 2009 5:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Geez, are we reenacting goddfellas here or what?
Funny on how he never waivers on anything ROMO.
In Romo we might Trust!
by rocj55 on Mar 2, 2009 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
See, said the blind man....
I was thinking that you were enjoying my wonderful ribbing-lol.
by texstar on Mar 2, 2009 6:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am not sure (because I heard Kitna restructured his deal) but Kitna was supposed to be a FA after this season, so he's not looked at as being a long term back up...
I still believe we’re gonna bring in or draft a rookie…like Nate Davis of Ball St…would be my boy.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 28, 2009 10:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kitna's probably a one year bandaid
until they can develop a younger draft pick or RFA into a long term solution.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 28, 2009 10:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think it could be more than that
Hopefully we’re looking at a 2-3 year deal where he can coach a young guy to be our primary backup in the future, and be a reliable player if romo goes down.
by foyesboys on Mar 1, 2009 1:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Has anyone else noticed how many teams were releasing linemen that were due to
earn a bonus or big pay increase? Does anyone here think that due to the glut of lineman in the draft a lot of these teams are looking to the draft to fill their needs? BTW montrae got his roster bonus so he is not going anywhere this year, not to say that I wanted him gone but it does put his status in place.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Feb 28, 2009 10:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Canty and burnett are not out of play just yet, I would love canty to end up like
gurode, he also tested FA and found nothing better than what Dallas had to offer, so you never know some of these guys could be coming back home to the original price that JJ left on the table (maybe even less) and JJ will be looking pretty smart. The Ravens are feeling the pinch of letting their talent leave for FA and look to be getting the once over.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Feb 28, 2009 10:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So Burnett is not signed in Miami yet?
Someone said that he was.
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 10:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
rays in florida now..get an agent down there quick
by raven on Feb 28, 2009 10:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
My buddy texted me saying that he heard
“Anthony Henry backed out.”
What the hell does that mean? I can’t find anything and thought I’d inquire here until he texts me back.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 28, 2009 10:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He said he heard Henry backed out of the trade.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 28, 2009 11:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 28, 2009 10:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
suprised TJ
hasn’t cashed in..
If I were Washington I would have signed TJ and Canty vs Haynesworth.. The D wasn’t the problem.
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on Feb 28, 2009 10:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
just so you people know ( And this has big D Ware ramifications ) Haynesworth true contract is just 4 years for 48 million...........just alot of fluff making it look like it's 100 million..
he will be cut, or restructured at that time….but it was reported by Mortenson the deal is really worth 48 over 4 years, with 42 guaranteed…..In 2013 his salary goes to 30 million…and you know damn well they aren’t giving him that…
http://blogs.nbcsports.com/home/archives/2009/02/haynesworths-real-deal-is-like.html
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 28, 2009 11:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You always look at the guarnteed money..
LIke i said give me tj and canty vs. Haynesworth
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on Feb 28, 2009 11:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
dude...can you get off the TJ routine...we don't need a WR, especially a 31 year old that averages a RB like 10 yards a reception...
if it was another team…Canty and TJ would be a good option….but give me Haynesworth for 12 million a year any day…..I was told there were 6 teams interested…I’m wondering if we were one of them…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 28, 2009 11:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Swapping TJ for TO...I might have to pull the trigger on that. TJ isn't as explosive as TO, but he also wouldn't be trying to run the huddle, either...
by CaliFanInTx on Feb 28, 2009 11:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can see it now
TO, RW2 holding private meetings with Garrett to get Kitna to become starter. And Witten, Romo talking to Werder on the side. These are the Days of our Lives!!!!!!!!
In Romo we might Trust!
by rocj55 on Feb 28, 2009 11:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TJ does not put the fear in opposing defenses like TO..
he’s more a second WR imo
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 11:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't Roy E, brought in to be the future #1? Well, maybe the future is 2009.
by CaliFanInTx on Feb 28, 2009 11:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't think TO puts much fear into Ds anymore
by foyesboys on Mar 1, 2009 12:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no he still does
they double covered him all season
but in the niners game, single coverage, he had 213 yards
its not a coincidence
"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips
by MrMinority on Mar 1, 2009 12:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember quite a few games
where teams would just press him on the line and put a safety deep and that would be all for TO in the ball game. Washington pretty much owned him. If he can’t produce despite being doubled, i think its fare to say that defences don’t view him as the same threat they used to.
by foyesboys on Mar 1, 2009 1:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Springs owned him.
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
by stoproyce on Mar 1, 2009 2:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In addition
didn’t the 9ers refuse to press him? Which was especially bizzare since the last 6 Ds we had faced had limited him through press coverage.
by foyesboys on Mar 1, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't talking about Dallas
I said if I were Washington that is what I would have done..
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on Mar 1, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry has one trick left up his sleeve
TO out, TJ in
In Romo we might Trust!
by rocj55 on Feb 28, 2009 10:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't that be more Romo friendly?
by CaliFanInTx on Feb 28, 2009 10:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what's Romo friendly?
Jerry with a trick up his sleeve or Kitna?
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 11:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Websters
Romo Friendly: Jessica’s XXL pants
by raven on Feb 28, 2009 11:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
easy access in the farmer overalls..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 28, 2009 11:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yumm
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Feb 28, 2009 11:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No. Actually, Romo Friendly: Jessica’s XXL bra
by CaliFanInTx on Feb 28, 2009 11:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It was only XXL after she gained the wieght
Before that they were perfect
by cow_fanatic on Feb 28, 2009 11:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
won't happen
with the price tag for Ware going up 25 % because of the Haynesworth deal
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on Feb 28, 2009 11:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ware is in heaven and trying to figure out which island to buy
by raven on Feb 28, 2009 11:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
T.J. is kinda overrated to me.
Hes only had 2 1000 yard seasons in his career and only had 904 yards on 92 catches last year.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Mar 1, 2009 3:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TJ is the last big name FA left on the market, and I am glad to see that iggles
are too cheap to keep him from visiting other teams.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Feb 28, 2009 10:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
see that show Parking Wars? id never move to Philly.. they should have put a boot on Dawkins.
by raven on Feb 28, 2009 11:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Question?
Is Brooking an every-down ILB? I don’t think so which is why I think we re-sign Burnett. If we don’t, who plays the nickle in Brookings place?
by cow_fanatic on Feb 28, 2009 11:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
TBD. Answer depends on the draft and wha happens with the rest of free agency.
by CaliFanInTx on Feb 28, 2009 11:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't
want to depend on the draft for a nickle starter at ILB. I do believe they may have determined it was worth the backup QB trade to gamble on depth at CB in order to afford being able to sign Brooking and re-sign Burnett though
by cow_fanatic on Feb 28, 2009 11:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You don't have to depend on the draft...the Cowboys probably have a plan in place to how they will roll coverage in nickel, but that may change if they can upgarde that choice in th draft or free agancy.
by CaliFanInTx on Feb 28, 2009 11:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OK, that's fine
but we still have a problem at safety and I don’t think we have someone competent to roll coverage in nickle situations from the safety position.
If we don’t or can’t sign Burnett(because someone gives him starting money when he’s never started in his career) then I agree, there must be someone out there we have targeted in FA to take his place.
But you can’t target someone in the draft to take his place and know what to expect
by cow_fanatic on Feb 28, 2009 11:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wade has always said, he coaches and schemes with the players he has. Ratliff isn't the prototypical NT, but he is a Pro Bowl NT in the current scheme. The Cowboys will try to find the best upgrade they can and mdify the sceme to fit the players they get.
by CaliFanInTx on Mar 1, 2009 12:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would look into Derrek Brooks to fill a role as nickle LB...
sure he’s old..but still plays at a top level, was a pro bowler last season…he’s a top notch leader and probably would play for peanuts..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 1, 2009 9:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This should make for a great Camp this year!
Before the 2007 game Dallas won, Newman indicated during a radio interview his desire for revenge on Kitna. That came about the same time James said the game had been circled on his calendar all year.
“Y’all can ask me about Jon Kitna every day from here on out the rest of my life and I will get fired up,” James said then. “He talked like we weren’t ever going to play them again.”
In Romo we might Trust!
by rocj55 on Feb 28, 2009 11:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ol dnews. They all buried the hatchet last year. Kitna went up to Bradie last before the game started and talked it out.
by CaliFanInTx on Feb 28, 2009 11:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Key words being "before the game started"
Maybe Kitna isn’t as dumb as I thought.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Feb 28, 2009 11:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ware got his revenge when he body slammed Kitna in that game.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Mar 1, 2009 3:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What I like most about bringing in Brooking and Kitna...
is that both are strong character guys in the locker room. I don’t know how much is left in their respective tanks, but if nothing else they should be good influences on the team. I wish it were Thong going, and not Henry, but Henry and his one halfway decent leg are no great loss. He’s solid against the pass so long as he’s healthy and not matched up against anyone with speed, but when was the last time he was healthy for more than 4 games?
by DannyWhite on Feb 28, 2009 11:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
this means they really believe in jenkins and scandrick
by Becho on Mar 1, 2009 12:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know that we are quite at that point yet...
we’ll see if they bring in some other corner within the next few days. I do believe that the young-uns are good but I’m not quite ready to turn the reins over to them especially when the only true veteran corner is Newman. He has been injury prone the last couple of years and so I’d feel better have another veteran corner back there as well.
by texstar on Mar 1, 2009 12:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
they would have to get a young vet and not an old one (30+)
an old vet would be a nickle or dime guy. i would not think he would supplant jenkins or scandrick as the starter. a young vet on the other hand would certainly be asked to start.
by Becho on Mar 1, 2009 12:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no no no ...we're looking at an older lower tier CB to be our 4th CB......dime Safety.
a guy like Corey Ivy, Deltha O’Niel…maybe even a Ty Law if he can come cheap and except a reserve role..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 1, 2009 9:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take Corey Ivy
In fact he’d be a good fit as 4th CB. Lots of experience as a nickel back, looks like he started a few games too, should come with a reasonable contract.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Mar 1, 2009 8:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Figures, as soon as I type that
I read that the Jets are already trying to get a deal done with him. Oh well. There’s other guys out there.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Mar 1, 2009 11:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah....they've been workin out all the fee agent Ravens...Ivy was a key reserve for them...
Samari Rolle and Chris McCalister would be a few more Ravens worth looking into…depending on current health…..I just want a low cost seasoned vet on the bench to work with the young guys and incoming rooks..as well as offer insurance and possible nickle/dime action..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 2, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kitna is not perceived
to be a character guy I don’t think. He’s a loud mouth but I like his confidence
by cow_fanatic on Feb 28, 2009 11:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
when you say "character guy" what do you mean?
He’s doesn’t have a bad character like PacMan etc. He is sometimes perceived as being out-spoken but I wouldn’t call that a problem.
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 11:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
idk what "high character" really means, but
“Kit’s” teamates loved the guy. they would hoot and holler about how great of a leader he was. they would’ve gone to war for the guy.
by falconPUNCH on Feb 28, 2009 11:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i even remember
one of the lions said that you can have Brady or Manning, because they wanted nobody other than “Kit.”
by falconPUNCH on Feb 28, 2009 11:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sort of explains how they went 0-16 with that amount delusion...
by CaliFanInTx on Feb 28, 2009 11:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kitna is a clear cut vocal leader....don't kid yourselves..he has my leaderships qualities than Romo ever will...
Hopefully Kitna can work with Romo in that regard…Kitna is one tough dude..and respected by all that played with him..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 1, 2009 9:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
one thing that I do know about him is that
he is a devoted Christian man from what I have heard which isn’t a bad thing and he’s very fiery,competitive. IMO this teams needs a fire lit under their butts so I’m all for that.
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 11:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He should get along with Romo...Romo goes to church every week.
by CaliFanInTx on Feb 28, 2009 11:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's funny......
he probably goes with Jessica to her Dad’s church right?
by texstar on Feb 28, 2009 11:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Canty
Giants | Out of the running for Canty?
Sat, 28 Feb 2009 18:51:04 -0800
Ralph Vacchiano, of the New York Daily News, reports the New York Giants appear to be out of the running for free-agent DL Chris Canty (Cowboys) after signing DL Rocky Bernard (Seahawks). However, Canty is not scheduled to leave New York until the evening of Sunday, March 1, and a source said the team is still interested in signing both Canty and Bernard. One potential hurdle is money as Canty is believed to be looking for close to $8 million per year.
by Boyzfan94 on Mar 1, 2009 1:37 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
for now...
once canty drops his ridiculous asking price, they may be back trying to signhim. Whatever the case, i hope he stays out of this division.
by foyesboys on Mar 1, 2009 1:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Giants
Can’t have that much money left to spend as it is.
by joey7289 on Mar 1, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Reports just in , Seattle has signed GB reserve DL Colin Cloe to a 5 year deal....
NOW GB will be in serious talks trying to sign Canty, Canty was supposedly still in the plans of Seattle, but GB most get some beef up front at DE if they are going 3-4 next season……
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 1, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If anyone wants to read some funny (to Cowboy fans) stuff
I suggest the Lions blog, specifically how great some of them think Henry is as a CB.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Mar 1, 2009 2:10 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
When I last looked at the Lions blog
it had about 3 members.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Mar 1, 2009 3:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They will be in for a rude awakening
if they think hes in his prime.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Mar 1, 2009 3:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Henry will NOT be their starting CB....probably moved to FS there, or a top reserve if they don't upgrade in the draft, or free agency......
if he even makes their roster at camp…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 1, 2009 9:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I went over there and the 6-8 remaining fans were all acting like they acquired a great vet cornerback in a steak
I liked Henry, he seemed like a cool guy and according to the players he always had a “fresh cut” but we is wayyy past his prime and got burned every play. The Henry to safety talk is finally over I guess so now we can concentrate on getting a real safety now.
"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips
by MrMinority on Mar 1, 2009 3:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
steal*
im mildly intoxicated so i apologize and wow that took me like 3 tries to spelll
"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips
by MrMinority on Mar 1, 2009 3:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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