Job title nixes Dan Reeves deal with Jerry Jones
by Dave Halprin on Feb 5, 2009 12:30 AM CST
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So everybody is wondering what happened with the Dan Reeves deal with Jerry Jones. Why was Reeves working at the Ranch for a few days, actually breaking down film and working on some stuff for the offense, then suddenly he leaves the building and the relationship is terminated in its nascent state?
Power struggle? Money issues? Disagreement over a certain high-profile receiver? All conjecture that's been presented in different places.
But, according to Chris Mortensen and Ed Werder over at ESPN, it came down to a dispute over a job title and the duties that went along with that.
Veteran NFL coach Dan Reeves told ESPN on Wednesday that he believed he had successfully negotiated a multiyear contract with Cowboys owner Jerry Jones that would have created a senior management position in Dallas. But the partnership dissolved when Reeves became uncomfortable with changes Jones insisted upon after Reeves rejected a job title that would have included him as a member of Wade Phillips' coaching staff. Reeves preferred an executive title with broader authority.
Make the jump for plenty more on the deal and why it died.
So Reeves thought he was creating a position with executive authority and Jerry was viewing it more as an assistant coach.
"I thought the thing was done, and we finally agreed on what the title was going to be," Reeves said. "I didn't want to have a coaching title and not have authority coaching-wise. I wanted to work with him [Jones] and Wade and help in any way that I possibly could. We finally agreed the coaching thing wouldn't be in there, but then the contract changed and there were some things in there I couldn't see being in there, and they were important to him. He made a lot of concessions, but this was something that was important to him, and I just didn't feel like I could live with it. So it didn't make sense for us to go forward."
Well, that's kind of vague, it doesn't appear that Reeves harbors any ill-will but he's obviously very disappointed. So money wasn't the reason but it looks like that areas of authority were something they disagreed on and according to Reeves those changes came from Jerry.
On whether #81's future in Dallas had anything to do with the deal falling apart, Reeves said:
Asked if Jones had made a decision on Owens' future, Reeves said, "No, I really don't think one has been made yet. They have a lot of decisions to make and that's one of them because they understand they have to become a unified team. It's one of the things that needs to be addressed."
We all know where Reeves stood on that issue.
And finally, since Rafael asked the question at the bottom of a previous post, here's who initiated the hiring of Reeves.
Reeves credited Phillips, his defensive coordinator with the Denver Broncos and Atlanta Falcons, with initiating the attempts to return Reeves to the organization with which he began his career.
Now, the Star-T has another source with a slightly different take.
According to another source, there was never any contentiousness in the negotiations, while saying the two sides differed on Reeves' schedule and how much he would be at the team's headquarters and practices, with Jones wanting more of a full-time commitment than Reeves, 65, was willing to give at this point in his career.
But that could be a similar issue to the job title and responsibilities. Maybe Reeves didn't want the coaching duties partly because he didn't like the schedule that would involve. Perhaps he thought the executive position would be a more reasonable schedule for him, I don't know.
Anyway, that's were we stand on the issue right now. The DMN blog has more Dan Reeves quotes, here.
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yeh thats obviuously what happened
everything is always TO’s fault
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 5, 2009 12:52 AM CST up reply actions
*obviously
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 5, 2009 12:53 AM CST up reply actions
It was a joke relax...lol
Well…..I think everyone knows that Reeves would’ve pushed for getting rid of TO. TO needs to go period!
i'm disappointed
because the situation brings more negative press.
just when it was getting quiet ’round here….
Its hard to blame Jerry for this
If Reeves had of come in and not been classified as being on Phillips staff it would have created further confusion about the aurthority level at the club, something which is already diluted. All this would have done is create a power struggle between WP and Reeves, furtherundermining our HC.
I beleive it is a good thing JJ didnt cave to these demands
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
?? Wade wanted Reeves...
Aussie…. I don’t see a potential power struggle if Wade was the one lobbying to get him in here. And we still don’t know exactly what demands JJ would, or would not, agree to…
by Boundforbeach on Feb 5, 2009 6:40 AM CST up reply actions
aussie you are dead on here. its not that it would have been a power struggle with wade its that it would have undermined his authority with the players.
If you have 5 different people bossing the players around you will have issues like i said before this was a horrible idea from the very beginning.
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
I'd Wish JJ Would Think That Way However......
If JJ believed that Reeves had to come in as being on Phillips staff to avoid further confusion about the aurthority level, he would’n have hired Garrett as the OC before hiring WP……
then to further confuse the WP chain of command….JJ pays JG $3mil., the same salary of the HC……..
for some reason…..I think JJ wanted Reeves under his total control…….ei. you directly report to me any and all things before anyone else…….then I will pick and choose what I want…….and what I want I will share with the rest of the organization…….
I know…….I am very cynical…….but JJ, though he has learned many things during his ownership of the Cowboys, has never learned to hire the best and allow them to do their job with the authority to carry out their responsibility…………
I must say that Jimmy Johnson was the first and last that he allowed that experiment and, of course, to some extent, with BP…….
HOwever, JJ hates that position……even though….. he is totally in charge either way= he is the 100%owner …and at any point, if not satisfied with a GM’s work …… can fire and hire someone new..
All the "I's" should've been dotted and All the "T's" should've been crossed...
… before Dan Reeves moved in to his office.
Sounds like a mutual bungling of da situation. That’s why these kinds of decisions should be more deliberate and not rushed… so as to not create negative press.
And the hits just keep on comin’.
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
+1
All this could have been avoided.
Jerry usually pulls the trigger on deals quick and decisively, but this one seems forced and sloppy. I feel sorry for Reeves for getting dragged into it. Also feel like Jerry kind of screwed Wade over, since Reeves said Wade was behind him coming back to Dallas.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
Time Cop
The reported comments that Jerry needs help in the worst way because he is stretched too thin trying to market his team, prepare for the draft, oversee the new stadium, and quell the mutiny brewing in the locker room is concerning. And it makes perfect sense.
Out of everything to be written or speculated on the subject of the Reeves fallout, this is almost certainly true. Jerry needs help. It’s hard to wear all those hats. Especially this year with the new stadium.
It’s also distressing that Wade is out there pining for a new voice in the front office or the coaching staff, depending on who is to be believed. I would have liked to see a change at Head Coach, but I think its now a bit too late.
I don't really care...
I really do not believe for one second that Reeves was going to turn this team into Super Bowl champs. He’s never done it anywhere else and I do not believe it was about to happen here.
Jerry already had the best guys for this organization in place. He could have made an effort to keep Parcells around as a front office guy and promoted Sparano to head coach. But nope.
He’d rather be both a GM and an owner and stretch his resources so thin that he’s practically incapable of doing either job effectively.
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
it wasn't that
he wasn’t going to coach this team. he was a consultant. btw, he did take three teams to the superbowl although he fell short each time, looking at the talent on those teams, he did really well by taking them there. so let not fault him for that. however he would have offered a voice to balance out Jerry Jones who is making too many decisions while wearing and playing different roles sometimes with different objectives such as a GM and President.
he was also going to be the person to bring an objective view of things including how to manage the players and locker and discipline on the team, which sorely lacks.
by CowboysFanatic on Feb 5, 2009 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
Jerry’s done this before.
Whenever the team is at the absolute bottom of the barrel he’ll make very wise head coach and front office hires, (i.e. Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcells). Once the team turns around he feels emboldened and steps in, replacing what he has with a more meager and subservient staff.
I wish he would have waited until they at least won a playoff game this time around.
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
very true
then he gets a little confident, feeling that the team is close and he meddles in thinking his move will put the team over the top and he screws up. he did that by brining in TO and then paniking and trading for Roy Williams. A smart GM wouldn’t have made either of those moves or would have made sure that TO is on a year to year contract without impact to the salary cap so that he could be let go to open up all kinds of possibility. as it stands, we can’t take the hit by releasing TO so TO knows he ain’t going anywhere and when he knows that he is king of the hill.
by CowboysFanatic on Feb 5, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
This is just more proof Jerry will never concede
any decision making authority regarding the Cowboys. It sounds to me like Reeves wnated to become a co-GM with Jerry and Jerry said no, you’re going to be a co-HC with Wade.
As I’ve stated many times, Jerry will never, ever concede any authority of this team ever again after the Parcells ordeal, and this just confirms it.
In Romo we Trust
well maybe...
he did it for 2 years with BP and then he thought he has learned and he can now manage again and started meddling and screwing up. so he will concede when we do hit rock bottom. just for a couple of years or so.
by CowboysFanatic on Feb 5, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
+1 Terry
That is the best description, of what essentially happened, that I’ve seen so far.
Maybe he will give Stephen Jones more power and responsibility now and let him ease into the GM spot.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
I thinik Jerry will groom Stephen
for being his eventual replacement someday, and that someday is when Jerry is dead and buried.
In Romo we Trust
I hope the grooming you're talking about
involves a comb and hair gel. I don’t want Jerry grooming anyone re: the juggling of president, owner and GM duties
Well, I hope it doesn't take that to pry the GM title away
I can picture Stephen running day to day GM responsibilities and free up more time for Jerry to wheel and deal. Of course any major decisions would have to still be approved by Jerry, but it would be a start.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
I think as Jerry gets older
he’ll have Stephen do more, but as you stated, all final decisions will go through Jerry. Just look at Al Davis, he about 100 years old and looks like death warmed over, but he still calls all the shots…Jerry is no different.
In Romo we Trust
::sigh::
Do these guys have to keep making it so hard to root for this team. I’ve been a Cowboys fan for 30 years now, and I can’t remember ever being this down on the team. Even the 1-15 season had the promise of a future stud QB, and a nice win over the Deadskins.
Maybe I'm just ignorant.
While I was intrigued over Reeves coming in, I find it hard to get really upset about it dying down.
I don’t know how so many people can be upset over a hiring/non-hiring of someone that we didn’t even know what exactly he would be doing.
I think it's because
we all just want to see some sort of change because we’re not getting it done the way we are now. One interesting thing is that it was Wade that pushed for Reeves. Doesn’t this just kinda prove that Jerry doesn’t respect Wade? Just guessing. You would think that if Jerry really believed in Wade he would do everything possible to make things work. Maybe I’m just grasping at straws but?
Oh I understand that...
Don’t get me wrong, I’m disappointed.
But after seeing this team lay the biggest stinkers of stinkers in Philly, not hiring Dan Reeves isn’t crushing.
I don’t know, maybe my expectations have changed dramatically. Maybe I’m just burned out on the drama. I
Yeah, I can't say I'm upset that Reeves won't be a consultant
More just confused and disappointed by how totally unprofessional the whole episode went down.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
well i will say this...
i have a whole new respect for Reeves…..i wouldn’t touch that job with a 10ft pole
It just makes you realize
that Wade is more of a puppet than I thought. If I were Wade I would be getting out of Dodge before sunset. Who needs the headache at his age?
You have a new respect for him...
Haha… I don’t know about that.
Considering he was going to take it, but backed out because of a few disputes.
I think there would have been more respect if he had taken the job and made a difference.
to me it says
that he’s not going to take garbage off of anyone instead of being a puppet like Wade.
well - what it says to me....
is that the problems start at the top….there is no focus, the inmates are running the asylum and it is total f-ing chaos….there are a lot more important things than advertising, making money and getting exposure for the team…..you know, WINNING takes care of all of that other nonsense….if the focus was on WINNING – all of that other crap would take care of itself
here we are coming off of probably the 2 most disappointing seasons that I can remember…the fact that they were back to back is NOT a coincidence IMO
so any reasonable human being (or fan) would think that you would get back to basics – you know?? meat and potatoes football stuff, get the right coaching staff in place, lockdown any leaks to the media, keep a low profile and right the ship – so to speak….TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS…and the last time i checked this was a football team and the focus should be on WINNING on the field
everything with this team is just a total clusterf@&k right now….
we have idiots like RW2 who has caught what?? maybe 10 passes with this organization?? spouting off about JG getting or not getting a HC job with another team – all of this disrespect for the coaching staff – whether it is deserved or not – it shouldn’t be in the press
you have this complete idiot TO doing a reality show this offseason….for what purpose?? to follow him around and see how he gets his groove on? can we not leave this nonsense to Paris Hilton?? yo TO, you actually have a god given talent…why dont you focus on that? Paris Hilton does this crap because she HAS NOTHING ELSE…you do…so why dont you play to your strength and concentrate on football
at a time when this organization is the laughingstock of the NFL, we are having a reality show run by Michael Irvin and endorsed by JJ himself on Spike TV to bring a contestant to training camp…are you kidding me??? if i was in a prison camp or a castaway on some island and someone told me this i would not believe it….especially not at a time like this
we can’t even get Bob Hayes into the HOF without a circus…
now the Dan Reeves thing…i just dont get it….dont you normally discuss employment details in private, hammer things out and then announce it to the public? isnt this how it works in the real world? who lets something like this get out into the media, allows the guy to actually move into valley ranch and then they start to negotiate the job details?? WHO DOES THIS???
and dont even start with Tony Romo…i see this clown with his head up his @#$ every week in People, US etc etc….my GF knows more about TR than i do…but can we fault him?? i mean really – can we??? maybe he is just a product of the disfunctional environment around this team
hey – we’re the Dallas Cowboys….we may not win – but dammit you’re going to hear about us every day, you’re going to read about us on ESPN.com every day, you’re going see us on the top of the Forbes list of pro sports franchises, you’re going to see us on ESPN, Fox, MNF, SNF, Spike TV, HBO etc etc etc…..
JJ has made a fortune off this team….hey – maybe WE ARE THE FOOLS
Maybe.....
You need to lay off the coffee.
I mean if it really bothers you that much, perhaps you shouldn’t read about the offseason.
I’m serious. Take a break and then turn on the tube in September.
To me it says the old man didn't want to work like a coach the hours were too much for him.
But what do i know i just read the actual article that says that very thing . Dan Reeves was a loser , we are better off without him especially if he couldn’t take the grind. Good riddence.
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
Sham-wow guy might get something done
by AustonianAggie on Feb 5, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
That guy would definitely bring some enthusiasm
and plenty of Sham-Wows
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
Darren Woodson.....
He is on DC.com right now making some great points. One of them was to get rid of TO if he is not on board.
AMEN
I couldn’t have said it better myself. In fact I have said this before even on other forums and I have been blasted and labeled as a Jerry Hater and Emotional. give me a break.
by CowboysFanatic on Feb 5, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
Well at least we stopped talking about things that don't matter
like the draft and free agency. Its hard to care about any of that when you perceive the need for fundamental change. What we should be talking about is how we can get Jones to relinquish control. And don’t tell me we can’t. Just because its a difficult and time consuming prospect does not mean that its impossible. If we refuse to support Jones (in the addiction business its called “enabling” then one of two things will eventually happen:
1) sensing his bottom line is hurting, he will be forced to relinquish control and hire a GM or 2) unable to fill the new stadium, he will go bankrupt and be forced to sell the team.
By the way, I had this dream last night (or maybe it was just a fantasy) that Jones was forced to sell the team because of financial reasons. And he sold it to a group led by Roger Staubach. Well, I can dream, can’t I?
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
What we should be talking about is how we can get Jones to relinquish control
Stop buying tickets and gear. That makes you a better fan than the ones that continue to support the team financially. It appears to Jerry that everything’s ok. A brand new, empty, billion-dollar stadium may get his attention. Will it happen immediately, probably not. I will be taking my son to the first game but after that…
thats not going to help
I don’t care if nobody shows up at the new stadium, Jerry will always control this team until the day he dies…just a fact and as fans we have to accept it or find another team.
In Romo we Trust
If the stadium was empty
He would relinquish control of his team, no question
So you think....
That an entire stadium… the biggest pro football stadium in the NFL, EVEN with the crappiest of teams, would be empty?
Would an empty stadium make him relinquish control?
Probably.. but it will NEVER happen. “Oh but it could.” No, it won’t.
Probably.. but it will NEVER happen. “Oh but it could.” No, it won’t.The freaking Lions didn’t ever have an empty stadium, the Cardinals never had an empty stadium.
Probably.. but it will NEVER happen. “Oh but it could.” No, it won’t.The freaking Lions didn’t ever have an empty stadium, the Cardinals never had an empty stadium.The NY Knicks never have had one, and they’ve been crappy for the past few years.
By empty
I don’t mean hollow. How about some blackouts at home games next year because they didn’t sell out. I’d find a way to watch but would that get his attention, yes.
Ok....
Good idea, but not going to happen.
There are alot of people that are going to go just because of the new stadium.
Plus, even with all the distractions, Dallas isn’t just going to be the crappiest of teams. Talent will make most of their games intriguing to say the least.
Take an active role in your support for Romo
Don’t allow Jerry to screw up his career and legacy
"or find another team"
Who the hell does that? For most of us, our fandom is a continuation of our childhood. You don’t just pick a team and start feeling passionately about them. Do you? Instead we should be LOYAL Cowboys fans and stand up for our team against the owner. If you love something, you don’t abandon it, you work to change it. I am starting with myself. I will not buy anything and for the first time in years, I will not be making my annual pilgrimage to a Cowboy’s game. I have even decided not to wear any of my gear, because such a move might be construed as support for the current management.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
So...
I should be a loyal Cowboys fan and not attend any games or wear any gear?
I shouldn’t support the team out of loyalty?
look
try to appreciate the nuance of my argument before you dismiss it. Look at it from the opposite perspective: if you do attend games, etc., you enable the current regime to continue the status quo. What enables Jerry to continue doing what he does is loyalty in the form of ticket sales, merchandise purchases, etc. I propose the opposite of enabling—in some circles its called tough love.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
that's a little mean
but you might be correct.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
You're wrong
So you don’t vote in the presidential election because how can your vote make a difference. It seems an insurmoutable task but it has to start with Terry or we will get nowhere. C’mon Terry, this will fail without you actively involved
Oh and...
Comparing the presidential election to this is laughable.
Last time I looked there wasn’t an election for NFL owners.
read the analogy again
It’ll make sense if you slow down
It makes sense...
It’s just stupid.
Your talking about a boycott, which means your going to actually go out and campaign for other people to do things.
There is a system set up in the United States that allows me the right to pick an elected official.
If Terry just stops going to football games (and this could relate to anyone.) it won’t effect me.
His seat? Will probably be sold to the next a-clown that wants to go see a football game.
I get the entire, “well one person can make a difference” shtick, but there are no campaigns being driven to do it.
Your not talking about going into a booth and filling out a form, you’re talking about not going to football games(Which I LOVE.), hanging up all of your jerseys, and trying to convince people to do the same.
Now if you have the money/resources to lead a full out campaign and convince people to stop wanting to be entertained for the sake of your “team”, then good luck.
Otherwise the analogy is weak.
Are you saying I can't campaign for a boycott on this website?
If you read through some of these posts I’ve already got some fans in my camp. If they simply start sending some $ I will go get a banner and a poster and start the campaign ground roots style.
Movements are started by small groups and then grow.
If anyone wants to send money for the movement I’m sure we can work out the transfer
Back in the Seventies
the Giants were awful and had been for years. A group of season ticket holders started showing up int he parking lot and burning their tickets before games. Someone rented one of those planes that drag banners behind them and flew it over Giants Stadium with a banner saying “The Giants Suck” (or something along those lines). It took a while, but the Mara family, and especially Wellington, who had run the football operations like JJ does now, realized that the game had passed them by, and they hured George Young as GM and Ray Perkins as coach, and then Bill Parcells after Perkins left. Since then the Giants havebeen to five Super Bowls and won four of them. Not a bad track record.
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
Make that been to four Super Bowls and won three of them; Still not a bad track record
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
Agreed...
It COULD work, but Dallas would have to start sucking.
True they haven’t won a playoff game in a while, but you think Jerry Jones would think a team that went 13-3 a couple of seasons ago was heading in the wrong direction?
My guess is no.
It would take more than a banner….
Sean, learn they SB history
Giants won SB XXI, XXV and SB XLII. They lost to Balt in SB XXXV.
In Romo we Trust
I already corrected myslef, but my point is the same: The Mara family and Wellington specifically recognised the game had moved beyond them and brought in competent football guys to run the show.
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
Because Jerry is more pig headed than the Maras were?
I was pointing out a historical occurrence of the ownership of an NFL team responding to criticism of it’s fan base, at least in part. I saw an intereview with Wellington Mara in which he said that those fans’ actions hurt him and helped to open his eyes.
Yes it was a different era, and different personalities involved, but it did happen. I am not saying it would neccessarily work now but how is it a bad analogy? Would it be a good analogy if Jerry owned the Giants back then or if Zombie Wellington Mara owned the Cowboys now?
And are yu ever going to go give us that itemized list of the errors made by Tony Romo in the Seattle playoff game? I know you said they were obvious, but that means it should only take you a few minutes to lay them out for us.
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
Its a bad analogy
because Jerry Jones is a much different person than Wellington Mara, its not even close.
Errors, the bobbled hold of course, other than that, I thought he played a great game.
In Romo we Trust
Why don't you
respond to that possibility above instead of worrying about minutia. You said it was impossible, is Seanrude’s comments above incorrect based on the impossibility?
Loyalty
is wanting what is best for the team. Obviously Jerry controlling this team isn’t working. Wanting what is best for your team isn’t defined by what jersey you wear or how many games you go to. The answer to your first question is yes. Watch the games, scream at the TV, drink heavily when they win or lose, continue to provide your opinion on this site but don’t give the impression to JJ that he can make marketing this team a priority instead of winning
well dave, then just accept reality
and reality is fans can’t stand up to owners, thats absolutely laughable. Fans can’t change anything, I don’t care how much you boycott, it will never happen.
In Romo we Trust
Is that you Jerry?
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
What's your solution Terry?
You’re the one that likes to shoot down everyone else’s opinions as laughable but lazily doesn’t attempt to provide your opinion on how things need to change. Romo is fine, nothing needs to change, right?
we need a HC who is going to change
the culture and make everyone accountable. It won’t happen in 2009, hopefully it will in 2010.
In Romo we Trust
Won't ever happen unless
Jerry allows it to happen. Doesn’t matter who the coach is if Jerry doesn’t allow it.
Wooooooo
Things need to change.
Your a moron if you don’t think that.
BUT, we can’t influence it. This is a NFL team, not voting to get a road paved.
People are going to go see games. People are going to buy jerseys and crap.
Would it work if people didn’t go to games. Maybe, but thats just unrealistic.
Then go out there
and support the status quo. Make Jerry doesn’t see a drop in attendance or merchandise sales.
Actually
Sports franchise ownership these days is inextricably entwined with local politics. I am not from Arlington, and have not read much about the politics behind the new stadium, but it would surprise me if the people of Arlington didn’t have a vote or at least some say in the matter.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
I'm in Arlington
but don’t ask those people. They need that stadium filled every home game
explain
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
Stadiums supply jobs and bring in revenue through taxes on concessions
Game Recognize Game
by pretty ricky on Feb 5, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
I probably just disagree with the cynics
But I think fans can influence ownership decisions (by most reports, St. Louis fans influenced there most recent coaching hire). And if we are ever going to influence Jerry, now is the time.
I don’t know, but I think Jerry could be in the midst of a perfect storm that could really hurt him. Both the team and the economy are crumbling at the same time. Who knows how in debt he is with that stadium. Plus, I think we have seen signs of possible economic troubles—some have suggested Jerry refused to change coaches because he couldn’t afford to get out from under the current contracts. This is not the Jerry we know from the past—that Jerry always seemed willing to spend his way out of trouble.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
This is a cry for help
A cry for help? "I think Jerry has an awful lot on his plate with the stadium and the football team right now," Reeves said.
Maybe folks in Texas have a more up to date view, but I seem to recall that the Cowboys organization is on the hook to finance the cost of the stadium beyond $650 million (that $650 million coming from tax revenues). The current price tag is $1 billion, so the Owner/GM needs to come up with $350 million. The Cowboys were trying to raise that difference through the credit markets and, unsurprisingly, were struggling to do so. If the Owner/GM is struggling financially (who isn’t these days), then we should expect some retrenchment. Perhaps you can justify cutting Owens to save the cash necessary to extend Ware in these circumstances and work with the weapons you got, no?
All in all, given the multitude of issues the Owner/GM has to deal with, it would seem to me an ideal time to bring in an experienced hand like Reeves.
That remark by Reeves
Was the one that really caught my attention, probably because its what I always assumed.
Is Jerry on the verge of collapsing under the weight of his own excess? The numbers certainly suggest that possibility.
At any rate, Jerry needs to fill those seats, so don’t underestimate the potential power of a fan boycott. In this economy (and those numbers) even the whisper of a boycott would have me a little concerned.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
The draft...
How does the draft and free agency not matter?
I agree that there is needs to be a change in structure, but there is no way a serious football fan can say that the draft doesn’t matter.
Good luck getting one of the biggest fan bases in the United States to stop supporting their team to get rid of Jerry Jones.
Are the Cowboys even popular anymore, or are they just a compelling soap
opera? I’m not even sure these days. JJ seems to be satisfied with being a soap opera in lieu of winning if winning means accountability, discipline, and bringing in coaches and players who are less interested in the limelight and more interested in doing what it takes to win.
That being said.
Yes, they are popular.
I’ve lived in a few different places and there are two NFL franchises that you always see apparel too.
Dallas and Pittsburg. There are fans of both everywhere.
I'd add the Patriots to that list, especially among younger fans, and the Raiders among older fans, but the Cowboys and Stellers are the biggest
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
I don't see much love for the Pats
I see more fans for Payton Manning himself than for the whole patriots organization. I’ve not spent much time in NE but they can’t even out do a lousy baseball team
by AustonianAggie on Feb 5, 2009 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
I see some pats gear (mainly brady jerseys) among younger kids in NJ and Eastern PA
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
NJ and PA aren't NE
but I myself never get to those areas. Most folks I know dislike the pats, they’re an effective but boring team to watch
by AustonianAggie on Feb 5, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
Being from NJ, I know that NJ and PA are not New England
I thought your point was that Dallas and Pittsburgh have large followings outside of their home turf. My point was that the Raiders also have a national following, and that New England seems to be getting that same following among younger fans, at least anecdotally. Sorry if I misunderstood you
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
boring?
what? they were 18-1 last season and set records for TD passes, TD receptions, passing yards and points scored? Uh… regionally biased much?
I like running games
and watching someone run up the score in Madden is very dull
by AustonianAggie on Feb 5, 2009 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
Please don't question
my level of seriousness as a fan. Its the middle of the workweek, I have a ton of work to do, and I am on this board talking to you all because I can’t get this team out of my mind. I am so serious I am starting to scare myself.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
Dude...
Well as a fan, you should know that the draft is still important.
Because I would SERIOUSLY like to get a better safety situation, o-line depth, ILB’s, or anything else that would help.
No matter what turmoil lies within, the draft is always important.
On some level yes
But on a deeper level, NO. By most accounts, last year’s draft was very good and promises to be great (if Jenkins pans out). But did that matter this year? And did spending close to cap level get this team into the playoffs? NO. Fundamentally, nothing matters when this level of dysfunction rules.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
On some level?
Haha, look I can talk about how all day this team has locker room issues, but its going to sound the same no matter how you spin it.
You definitly want the players there intact if the disfuction gets sorted out.
The draft matters quite a bit.
this conversation is maniacal,
in that one of you is suffering from mania.
If Kosier is healthy, or RW, or Romo, or maybe even the punter… then circus or no, Jones being the anti-christ or no, and the team probably makes the playoffs. And you maniacs out on the ledge now would be saying we’re just a NT or SS away, and wouldn’t be saying things like… Don’t go to the stadium or buy paraphenalia or visit their web site so the Cowboys fail.
Haha...
Joey I know you and I have our differences from time to time, but I feel the same way.
You can’t deny the fact that Dallas has internal problems but they were a game away from making the playoffs after losing their star QB,punter, top 2 RB’s were hurt, Witten was hurt even though he was playing, starting guard, missed their #1 corner for most of the season, RW1.
well hell
I forgot about MBIII being hurt, and Felix Jones. Those two are healthy along with Kosier, and Romo still gets hurt, and this team wins the Super Bowl. They’d still be ugly and squabbling and all divas, but I don’t care if they get along.
The injuries narrowed the margin for shenanigans, and the Cowboys did pay for that I think.
I’d say Jones’ only shortcoming as GM is not having better back up linemen and QB. And maybe being too slow to get Wade to really focus on the defense.
So it's your opinion
everything is okay except, unfortunately, we had injuries in the game of football. Well, I hope we don’t have any injuries next year, or the year after, or the year after. Lack of injuries will prove JJ is handling things very well.
Let me ask you a question in a different way. I f we are simply a NT or SS away and going injury-free next season, why is JJ trying to hire Reeves, for what purpose? Is it to reduce the amount of injuries for years to come?
No.....
I know there are internal problems.
But the injuries definitly magnified them. Just start your boycott, I’ll watch for you on the news.
I was under the impression that Jerry was in Palm Springs for the owners meetings. The sudden reversal of opinion makes me wonder if perhaps more than one person was involved in the decision from the Cowboys side. Stephen has been taking on a bigger role with the team, and perhaps working around his needs as well as Jerry’s needs just made things uncomfortable for Dan Reeves.
“Jerry was very good as far as everything was concerned,” Reeves said. “It was one thing that came up that I felt was important for me but not being in the contract he felt like it was important to be there and that’s basically it.”
http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/ar…es-speaks.html
If really hope that this type of miscommunication is not going on at the top of the organization.
Could this also be a harbinger of Wade losing his position as the head coach of the Cowboys? It is not preposterous to think that Wade asked Dan to help in order to afford Jerry an opportunity to show substantial change within the organization to the Cowboys fan base and facilitate ticket sales.
There appears to be more to this story than just a difference of opinion.
Idiot Jerry Can't Get Anything Right
I can guaran-damn-tee you what Reeves wanted to do. Get rid of TO and have a strong hand in the running of the team. And Idiot Jerry felt his ego threatened and blew it up.
I will always be a Cowboys fan, but until Idiot Jerry is gone I have no expectations above a first round playoff loss at best. His stupidity and incompetence has poisoned the soul of this team, and I’m disgusted to see it.
by GhostofGaryHogeboom on Feb 5, 2009 9:54 AM CST reply actions
If not Reeves, Ditka?
Another hardnosed Landry Protoge who has dealt with a Hollywood QB (and put one QB in a psych ward).
Just a joke… But he was one helluva Special Teams Coach for the Cowboys in the past.
mwahahahahaha jeez old timers get off of the memory express youall pined like unrequited lovers for a 5 time superbowl loser now you are begging for someone anyone with ties to the "Glory days"
Now you wantr Ditka? Seriously? What did he do to the last team he coached? Some of yall just need to relax . Maybe grab a Calvados by the pool.
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
Ha ! Good one.
Imagine Ditka milling around the lockeroom and kickin ass out on the practice field?
Poor Coach Cupcake would just stand there and listen to Ditka lay down the law. To bad the players in this day and age couldn’t relate to him.
is very sad
1- Reevs did not want to work extra hours.
2- TO is always in the middle and everything is his fault (this is stupid and false)
3- If it was Cupcake idea I am glad he did not come to the Boys.
4- We need a real HC and Jeery should put some dollars in Cupcake pocket and make him take the DC job.
5- Can we please stop blaming TO for everything ! I think Romo should be more mature and take control of the team, WE HAVE NOT LEADERS ANYWHERE !
Agreed
‘Asked if Jones had made a decision on Owens’ future, Reeves said, "No, I really don’t think one has been made yet.’
So if letting go of T.O. were the issue that would mean a decision had been made.
Game Recognize Game
by pretty ricky on Feb 5, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
The decision will be made when they front him his next lump sum
until then there’s no reason to force the issue
by AustonianAggie on Feb 5, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
Something is wrong with that theory
Reeves did not want to work extra hours.
This doesn’t make sense because Reeves wanted to get back into coaching. I think Jerry should’ve hired him and if he only wanted to work 3 days a week so be it….they should’ve given him the option to increase his hours at his discretion.
Good point
Didn’t Reeves just apply or interview for the SF OC position? That would require plenty of long hours.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
Jerry needs to make this happen.
Reeves wants to do it, Jerry wants to do it, Wade wants to do it. This team obviously needs some help at the management level. If Jerry truly wants to improve the climate at Valley Ranch, Reeves is the perfect candidate. I don’t know what the clause or condition was, but whatever it might be, Jerry needs to resolve it. Just like when he went after Deion, T.O., Roy Williams, and other big time free agents, he needs to figure out what it will take to get Reeves in here and make it happen. If there is something that is that important to him, such as Deion not playing baseball, he needs to figure out what it would cost to make it worth it to Reeves and pay him.
You’ve got a guy who is comfortable with your coaches and loves the organization, and is a respected professional. He wants to work for you and you have a position available that suits his skill set. If there were a free agent player that fit our needs and wanted to play for us, I’ve got to believe that Jerry would figure it out. He needs to do the same for this important free agent executive/coach.
by Baked Potato Soup on Feb 5, 2009 11:44 AM CST reply actions
I'm pretty dissappointed I thought Reeves was a step in the right direction
but what do I know.
I seriously doubt Jason Garrett doesn’t know what he’s doing.
I also doubt Wade doesn’t know whats up either.
If Wade wants to be great, crawling out of this will do it.
I’m frustrated with Owens because I thought Dallas would be the team to redeem his career.
It may be tougher now to raise money but if there I seriously doubt Jerry Jones has trouble finding financiers; Cowboys do nothing but grow. I can’t get squat out of the credit market but I’m not the man who made NFL franchises average a billion dollars in value. Jerry is also the one who initiated the move to Fox that saw the league’s TV contracts rocket in value, if I recall. I’m sure he has plenty of financier contacts.
More than anything this team needs Oline depth and a safety, and DEDICATION to the running game.
When Dallas wins they do it by innovation
more than anything Dallas needs to stick it to rest of the league by out smarting those dolts. Thats what Dallas management, when succesful, has done. Who knows, maybe two elite TE players is the offense of the future.
But of late, Dallas has a reactionary feel. Instead of inventing the draft chart, or drafting historically black school college players, or designing new Defenses and offenses, Dallas is reacting: over paying in trades, over paying in salary, under valuing young players on the roster (we didn’t need Roy E, Pat C and Miles were fine as 2 and 3s), and unable to make an Oline that works.
I mean, what the hell was Pittsburgs Oline? pretty bad right, but that line won a SB.
After listening to the lunch break they said that the Reeves issue was not about authority
Darren said that really Reeves was a guy that WP wanted and that WP wanted to have someone he knew who could look into the offense for WP; and that was probably a sticking point to where JJ was not going to give Reeves any authority over what JG was going to do. Look the comments I just wrote are a paraprase while I am listening to the show; check it out and give your thoughts.
http://www.dallascowboys.com/multimedia/multimedia_center.cfm
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I agree it had more to do with having any offensive authority..
Knowing how Garrett is with his “TO or me comments” , more than likely a seriously threatened Jason Garrett pulled a Brian Stewart ( I don’t feel comfortable), and asked Jerry to exclude Reeves from any authority over offensive duties..and with Reeves experience, and feeling he was a offensive guru, and really wouldn’t have any defined input into the offense, said screw it….It’s not like Reeves was going to do anything on the defensive side of the ball….that’s where the problem lies….a scared Coordinator cost us…imo.
Cost us what?
Reeves would hold TOs hand and everything would be wonderful? Flo would never get beat by another speed rush? Thong would learn to cover. Henry and Tnew would be healthy? Maybe Pacman would join the choir.
I do not think that JG was scared or uncomfortable but probably said a flat out no that he runs the offense.
You could say that JJ should come in and say well its what I want, but this was a WP idea so this may lend credibility that JJ favors JG and sees him as the future. Whether or not we agree with that assessment is debatable but based on what Darren was talking about it does lean that way.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
On the TO or me comments that JG made, where did he ever say that. I could understand if you
feel that all the other stuff that has been sourced (aaaaaaahhhh!!!!!) or rumored has pointed to this idea, but other than saying “I respect him as a player”. So you could intimate what you like out of that comment but he has never commented it’s “TO or me”.
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something is fishy
Well, Reeves is 65, so the work hours could be a reason, but maybe is true that he wants more control and it sounds about right, but if Jerry wants his red ball in charge does not seem like red ball is ready to enforce authority with main players such as Romo, T O, Flozell from what I saw this season, and if you are bringing a coach with so much experience then Jerry have to let him participate as much as this coach thinks he has to.
Great entertainment
I’ve gone from a life long Cowboy fan to watching the team just to see what circus rolls into town next. I’ve come to despise Jones and all of his money grubbing. The dumb b@stard needs to stop selling jerseys for $120 dollars to the fans that have stayed with this sinking ship and put himself in timeout. He’s wrecking this once great franchise. No, it’s not TO’s fault. It’s not Pac Mut, or any other player. Romo can do all the starlets he wants to in any beach community on the planet. The demise of this franchise is Jerry Jones. Until he reigns himself in, I will be one among a growing number of fans rooting for more stupid to afflict the team.
by steelyeyedmissle on Feb 5, 2009 12:51 PM CST reply actions
You don't hafta boycott buying jerseys...
Just don’t buy em at the stadium/DC.com/NFL.com. Go on eBay and get rip-off jerseys from Singapore and South Korea. You can’t tell the difference between them and officially licensed gear and you’ll pay a fraction. I’ve been doing it for years. Once JJ wins me a Super Bowl (and by that, I mean he doesn’t get in the way of the Boys getting #6), I’ll buy one from him at a ridiculous amount of money haha…
by AikmanNailedMySis on Feb 5, 2009 12:57 PM CST reply actions
I saw them made in the Philippines
It is amazing the detail these things have. And you can get them customized with old player’s names or your own.
Definitly...
Well actually some of the ones in Korea are even licensed by the NFL, they are just their international costs.
I don’t care if JJ wins a Super Bowl, I’m not spending 150 on a jersey! haha
I haven't spent more than $50 on a jersey in a LONG time...
And all my jerseys have the letters/numbers stitched on, all the “Official NFL Licensed Gear” patches on them, and the sleeves with the elastic in them. They’re perfect, you can’t tell the difference. They’re only THAT expensive because shipping is $20-30 bucks…Plus it’s nice when you get a T.O. jersey, then he drops 16 or 17 balls and you can just cut the name off the back like I did when I was pissed after the Seattle playoff game…
by AikmanNailedMySis on Feb 6, 2009 7:18 AM CST up reply actions
A different perspective
Matt Mosley has a different take on the “one thing” that Reeves wouldn’t agree to: getting personally involved in marketing for the new stadium. (full story here: http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfceast/0-8-18/Another-Cowboy-rides-away.html)
Now, I love a good “Reeves wanted to get rid of T.O. or Garrett or Wade” theory as much as the next guy, but this actually makes sense in terms of Jerry writing things into the contract that hadn’t yet been discussed or agreed upon. Reeves would have smelled Jerry’s true intent for bringing him in—being a figurehead more than a real influence—and put the brakes on. All the other stuff (T.O., job description and title, amount of hours, level of official power) either would have been agreed on already or wouldn’t have been written into a contract. Unless you really think that “I will not lobby for the removal of #81 from the DC organization” was written into the fine print…
this makes sense
more than anything else.
Anyway, why does the team need Reeves? specifically, what would his role be?
I believe it would be a miracle...
If we win 5 games next season. The way this is shaping up, T.O. will be bitchin after we loose our first game and then the shit hits the fan…..
Impossible to work this way.
Cheers to another failure next season.
i don't know I'm watching implosion after implosion
how divided is the coaching staff?
by AustonianAggie on Feb 5, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
like the eddie murphy song
My OC wants to throw it all the time throw it all the time throw it all the time
by AustonianAggie on Feb 5, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
I think most of us are wanting and see a need to change in the head coaching style that Wade puts forth
and that’s why the disappointment over Reeves not coming on board with our team. We understand as fans that accountability and change will be hard to change with Wade at the helm when he’s already “stamped” this team with his personality and style, coupled with JJ’s constant undermining of the head coach posisition. This is where my frustration for the day starts.
Wade needs to change the mindset and culture of this team for next year and get the players to buy into what he wants to do because he’s the “head coach”. What does Jerry do? He listens to Wade and brings in Reeves, only to have Wade’s wings clipped again. If indeed Reeves wanted to have some control over the offensive side of the ball and Jerry nixed that because he didn’t want Garrett unhappy, that should’ve been Wade’s call as the head coach not Jerry’s.
Undermining the head coach is not healthy nor has it proved to be productive and has contributed to the state this team is in. I will be very interested in how the mindset gets changed around there without bringing someone else in to be the “bad guy” and make players accountable. To me, it’s a joke that Wade isn’t being allowed to go that direction because his moves to make change are limited. Jerry needs to pull his head out of his sphincter, back away and support the head coach he hired or cut bait. What a mess!
Tea Leaves
For once, I think we all may be trying to read to much into this. Jerry had his own plans as to a role for Reeves. And Reeves clearly had other ideas. Apparently, the two tried to work it out but it didn’t mesh. Simple as that.
This may be one of the most dysfunctional teams in the league, but Reeves not joining the team is not necessarily another glaring example of the dysfunction.
What the heck happened. Didn't Reeves pay his taxes?
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I want Owens to stay in Dallas. I get down on him...
once in a while, but he is really a great player. I could, however, go a full season with a sideline shot of him. He’s got four basic looks. Over the top happier than hell, sulking like a put down bully, not interested in the game, really interested in the game. The only one I like is the last one. I can take the first one, following a TD catch, if we’re leading. My guess, If he departs, is that he’ll be on the Redskins squad next year. OHNOTO.
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I've been hopeful for him to win a SB in dallas
but calling out his coordinator, his public persona and his drops are killing my brain
by AustonianAggie on Feb 5, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
Siruis NFL Radio
Anyone hear the Dan Reeves interview?
I heard most of it- basic points-
Wade called him a couple of weeks ago, asked if was interested in getting back in to coaching, he said yes. Didn’t hear back from Dallas until the rumor leaked he was interviewing for SF job. Then Jerry called him the night of the SF interview and flew him out the day after the interview with SF and they discussed what Dan’s role would be Dan was excited.. Dan Reeves talked to the wife and decided the Dallas position was a better fit because he could do more then coaching.
So Monday he came in to work and started reviewing the running game noticed a couple of things we could have done better, went home feeling good. Came back on Tuesday to review the contract and there was language in there he didn’t like detailing who he reports to, he said he had never seen that type of language in a contract. He wouldn’t sign it with the language in there, Jerry wouldn’t hire him with it not in there- So they decided it was best if Dan didn’t become a employee of the Dallas Cowboys..
I am sad because he went on explain what he saw in the running game; man that guy knows his stuff. For example he said Dallas showed it hands to early on the draw plays, he explained how the tackle was giving away the play. In my opinion we lost out, we would have been a better offense when Dan Reeves 30+ years of NFL knowledge.
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
Agreed
Garrett better pay better attention to detail if he wants to elevate and take his game to the next level because we don’t have players executing and we need the element of suprise. Experience in knowing what to look and where to look at areas of upgrade is one area Garrett needs help with. Where is that expertise coming from?
"Garrett better pay better attention..." That's nine t's in only five words. Pretty good.
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That is discouraging
A former head coach with a lot of success and ties to the Cowboys, excited about wanting to help, already working on reviewing film, then Jerry sticks some language in his final contract that must have been the deal breaker. Man, WTF Jerry.
I’d really, really like to know what the sticking point that couldn’t be negotiated was. Just going through some of the possible causes:
1)Threat to Jerry’s power? No way. When you are the Owner/President/GM there is no such thing.
2)Threat to Wade’s power? Doubtful. Wade was the one who suggested Reeves and has a good working relationship with him.
3)Threat to Garrett’s power? I don’t know, but what else would be important enough to squelch the deal.
If we assume #3 is the root cause, then Garrett is THE man in Dallas. Jerry has made it clear when he hired him before Wade, paid him $3 mil to be OC, and now, avoided risking him feel like he had lost power by Reeves hiring. This doesn’t bode well for TO’s future as a Cowboy. Jerry loves the guy, but I doubt he’d take his side over Garrett’s in any disagreement.
Of course this is all merely assumption and could be totally wrong.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
What?
Are you going to spend half of your salary on QBs?
Cassell isn’t going to be going somewhere for peanuts. You can’t have them both.
you and Tex must be smoking buddies
Thats the most absurd thing I’ve seen since the last Tex post. Cassell is going to suck with another team, bank on it, he’s a product of the Pats system.
In Romo we Trust
Stop it! Romo will be the Cowboy QB for the next decade or more. Stop the BS.
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Probably just using it as a negotiating tactic with BAL
Just like almost every high priced FA seems to do.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
Who cares about Reeves?
“Consulting” positions are nonsense and I’m glad Reeves didn’t come here. Football games are won on the field, not by giving an office to a has-been coach who is looking for a cushy sunset job.
All Reeves would have done is cause more “Who’s calling the shots?” controversy.
One post like this
and then I won’t repeat myself. Who takes the role Reeves was going to have?
My guess would be nobody
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 6, 2009 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
This reminds me of that Seinfeld episode where George is interviewed...
for a job. The interviewer is amibiguous about whether George is hired or not. George confides in Jerry, Cosmo, and Elaine, and then decides to just go in and act as if he was actually hired.
The question is, what was said that made Reeves report to work in the first place?
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