Dallas Cowboys afternoon roundup (Dan Reeves update)
Yesterday was a practice in the highs and lows involved with being a Dallas Cowboys fan. I was texting my dad, my brother anyone I could think of on how ecstatic I was about Dan Reeves coming on board to help the team. While I know he wouldn't be the only solution to our problem, it told me that at least Jerry knew something had to be done. Then it all came crashing down when the deal fell apart.
Our first instinct is to blame Jerry Jones. Some feel he may have been up to his "power hungry" ways, too stubborn to give up the amount of power Reeves felt necessary to do the job Jerry was asking of him. Some said it had to do with the actual job title.
Well, it turns out the dispute was over a few basic items in the contract that neither Reeves nor Jones would budge on.
Reeves, a former player and assistant coach with the Cowboys, wouldn’t disclose what language in the contract he objected to, saying only: "The deal was basically done. Then I got the new contract and there were things in there I felt I couldn’t live with. I talked to Jerry at noon [Wednesday]. He felt those things were important to him but I felt they were important to me. In the end, we thought it was best to move on."
It turns out those few things were items that hadn't been discussed until the actual contract was the table to sign. During a radio interview today Reeves elaborated.
"Well, I don't want to get into those things that were the sticking point," Reeves said on 103.3. "But let's just put it this way, in the 29 years that I've been coaching in the National Football League, I never had that in my contract. Well, he said it was important for him that it was in there."
I would love to know exactly what was in that fine print that caused all of this hoopla.
[UPDATE by Brandon Worley, 02/06/09 6:38 AM EST ]
It turns out the issue that caused the deal to fall apart was a clause in the contract that stipulated the amount of hours Reeves would be required to work.
Dan Reeves said he objected to having a clause put in his contract about the amount of hours he was to work at Valley Ranch."Oh, definitely, big-time," Reeves said when asked if he was surprised by the clause. "For someone to question how I've done [my time] for a lot of years, I've never been questioned. Plus, as a coach, how can you verify that? Nobody punches a clock."
When Reeves said he couldn't sign such a contract, he and Jones declined to work together.
So there you go.
Earlier today in another radio interview Reeves also gave his thoughts on the franchise as a whole.
"I see an organization that's awful close to getting things done the right way," Reeves said. "But I've also been in the league long enough to know that it's the little things that make all the different."
The little things. Like allowing consecutive 75+ yard runs to lose the last game ever in Texas Stadium.
Much, much more after the jump.
The Bob Hayes family tragedy continues...
Earnest Hayes, Bob Hayes' brother, has brought it to the attention of the national media that he claims Lucille Hester is not the Hall of Famer's sister.
"Bob didn't write that letter," Ernest Hayes said.
The Eastside of Jacksonville is where Ernest Hayes said his brother met Hester. Bob Hayes and his family lived on East Third Street. Ernest Hayes said Hester grew up just around the corner.
"After Bob won the gold medals in the Olympics, she began to follow him quite a bit," Ernest Hayes said. "When he died, she claimed him as her brother."
Ah yes, the letter. While the most conclusive course of action would be to have a court order a blood test, the cheapest route seems to be to focus on the infamous letter Hester read when Hayes was announced as being selected to the Hall. As Raul so diligently covered, the first uproar came about over the difference between a proven Bob Hayes signature and the one on the letter. While there are some clear discrepancies between the two, it's still left to subjectivity.
The Dallas Morning News however, has come across some hard evidence that could prove the letter fake.
But on Wednesday, the focus turned to the letter's typeface. At The Dallas Morning News' request, one of the world's most noted typeface designers examined a photo of the purported Hayes letter, which was dated Oct. 29, 1999. Dutch designer Luc(as) de Groot said the letter's typeface is "definitely Calibri," which he designed for Microsoft in 2003. It was not available to the public until the debut of Microsoft Office 2007. Hayes passed away in 2002. So if the designer of the font, who is in Berlin, independently determines the font of the letter didn't exist until after Hayes died then Hester's claim of being his sister is without a doubt questionable. I just wish this wasn't happening now. Bullet Bob deserves better. In the realm of what else can go wrong in the Cowboys universe, Terry Glenn was arrested on Jan. 25. Even though he was cut prior to last season, I'm sure this doesn't help the image of a floundering Cowboys franchise.
Nick Eatman has an article up saying that after Emmitt Smith, the next Dallas Cowboys to be inducted into the HOF will have to be put in the Ring of Honor first.
Todd Archer names five key players whose improvement will be the key to success next season. Here's one:
By the end of the season he was the starter, essentially, playing more than Greg Ellis. With Ellis' future uncertain, Spencer has to prove he wants the job. He needs to find the motivation to be a consistent pass-rush threat and the coaches need to keep him on the field to rush the passer. He faces a critical season, entering his third year. And he must deal with his off-field arrest that will likely cost him a game check for violating the league's personal conduct policy. Ellis was not the same pass rusher in 2008 as he was in '07. The Cowboys must have Spencer be a threat opposite DeMarcus Ware. Here's a video of DeMarcus Ware at the Pro Bowl. Don't forget! If you're a Dallas Stars fan and are looking for a place to talk about Texas' best hockey team head on over to Defending Big D.
0 recs |
79 comments
|
Comments
Sigh
It’s only February… should be a fun filled off season.
by AirforceBat on Feb 5, 2009 5:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I heard the interview on Sirus Radio
I hate to say it, but Jerry tryed to pull a fast one by sneaking a few things in the contract at the last momemt. I’m not sure what he tryed to pull, but it sounded distastfull if it was something Reeves never saw in 29 years. Sorry, Jerry your an idiot. You should’ve been honest with the man from the start and it didn’t sure didn’t sound that way. I would love to know also what those things were that he snuck in…
by Boyzfan94 on Feb 5, 2009 5:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Jerry is an Oil man heart...........
And like most big wig millionaires he has a little bit of snake in him. And i just about bet you that whatever the “thing” is that Reeves didnt like, is in every single coaches contract at the Ranch. I’m sure Jerry didn’t single out Dan, Dan Reeves is as old school as it gets. And some things have changed since he was in the NFL last. I AM NOT DEFENDING JERRY. I’m just saying that Jerry is what he is. I admire Dan Reeves for following his heart and doing what he thinks is right. The man has integrity, and thats something Jerry hasn’t been able to buy. And as much as i don’t like it, I admire Jerry for sticking to his guns and not giving in to something that was important to him. The fact that Dan Reeves was even in the building tells me that Jerry was serious about changing some things.
by TARHEEL PAUL on Feb 5, 2009 6:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
speeding faster and faster....
towards disaster. This season/off-season seems to be heading down hill quickly. Lets see, the disciplinarian is shown the door, while captain cupcake is given a reprieve. I want to point out, that Brad Johnson is STILL a cowboy. Don’t be surprised if they keep him for next season. Just more dead weight. I have yet to see any signs of real change. Only cosmetic changes and talk. The time for talking and looking like you give a %#@ is over, it’s time for real change and real disipline. But that won’t happen until after next season, when this team goes deep deep deep in the tank. It’s just a needless waste of a season with talent to go deep into the playoffs
by just4fun on Feb 5, 2009 6:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So now...
We’re giving up on the entire 2009 season?
The Super Bowl is only five days removed. We’re now totally forgetting about the first time they give up a first down and going straight to totally giving up?
Nice.
by AirforceBat on Feb 5, 2009 6:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What team did you watch this season?
What makes you think that this team will play better next year?
by just4fun on Feb 5, 2009 6:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Healthy Kyle Kosier for one
maybe even a mediocre back up in his stead. A mediocre back up for anywhere on the line is highly desirable
by AustonianAggie on Feb 5, 2009 6:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
uh, because that is exactly what happens in the NFL.
Dallas was 13-3 two seasons ago. With Basically the same team they have now. With out all the injuries. Maybe because the Cardinals sucked ass for 50 years and were able to turn it around. Maybe because the Dolphins went from 1-15 to AFC champs. If you would like me to go on i can. Just as you have the right to be miserable about this team and believe that they dont have a chance in hell, people like AirforceBat and myself have the right to believe in next year. Its part of the glory of sports. If you dont ever have hope for next year, why even bother being a fan. You have the right to be pissed off about this season and so am i. I just choose to have hope for the upcoming season.
by TARHEEL PAUL on Feb 5, 2009 6:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So, you guys buy the "it was just bad luck" theory
The team was not heavily injured. Baltimore for one, had many more injuries than this team did. Arizona and Miami were the result of coaching changes. Teams are good for a reason. This team underachieved. If you want to buy the everything is rosy and will the team is good no matter what, go for it. But don’t criticize those of us that like to live in reality. This team has not won a playoff game for several years, and frankly that sucks.
As for Kyle Kosier, are you kidding me? Kosier is the weak link among the starters. I’m not even sure he starts next season. Most of the O-line problems wasn’t talent, it was missed assignments and a horrible year by Flozell Adams. Apparently Flozell is going to dog it now that he has his money. This o-line is the biggest problem and there all signed to long term contracts.
by just4fun on Feb 5, 2009 7:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if I recall games started by Kosier or even that Denver player
dallas was 4-0
by AustonianAggie on Feb 5, 2009 7:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So
The losses to Arizona, Pittsburg, Baltimore, the Rams debacle, etc.. was all because the starting left guard was missing? I guess he would have made the tackle on either of the 75+ runs? I guess TO would have beat press coverage if Kosier was on the field?
A better argument for you to make would to be to mention T-New’s injures, but thats two years in a row…. and he was around for the meltdown in December.
by just4fun on Feb 5, 2009 7:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In the Zona and Rams losses our qb had a broken hand
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 6, 2009 12:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh ok, so having hope is being rosey.........and nobody said anything about bad luck.
For god sakes man, chill. Nobody is attacking you for being critical of the team. It does suck that they haven’t won a playoff game in 12 freakin years. Arizona didn’t have a coaching change between this year and the year before. But thats besides point. And they did have an ass load of injuries. And say what you want about injuries but we had at least 12 players miss multiple games. One of those being there starting qb. But again, none of that matters. And im not making excuses. You have to win with what you have. And say what you want about Kyle Kosier, but the line played ALOT better with him than they did without him. And you are right about the line, they missed a ton of assignments. Nobody is being rosy or living in “make believe land”. AGAIN, NOBODY IS CRITICIZING YOU. As much crap as i see on this team, i also see just as much good. Like you said, they did underachieve, but to underachieve means you are capable of more. I know they are and you know they are or you wouldn’t have said they underachieved. So, sense i believe they are capable of being just as good as the Steelers or Cardinals. Don’t forget they had the Steelers beat and took Arizona to O.T. and both of those games on the road. Those two games alone are enough to give me hope. And that doesn’t mean i think everything is “rosy”.
by TARHEEL PAUL on Feb 5, 2009 7:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They don't lack talent
they lack focus and discipline. The lack of focus and discipline are hallmarks of Wade Phillips teams. It’s why he’s called coach cupcake, it’s why his training camp is called camp cupcake. No changes, indicating a increase in discipline have been made. The “we’re gonna change” speech was made but no evidence of that has surfaced. Furthermore, when reports of players being late to meetings and such is made by the DMN, they protest and to get a partial retraction instead of “we know that was a problem and it will be corrected next year”. I have yet to see any of signs of a more disciplined atmosphere. I don’t have a problem with some fans believing there team will win no matter what, but back your argument up with some kind of evidence.
by just4fun on Feb 5, 2009 7:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree with you
just4fun. Until I see this team change the way it goes about its business i will have to say nothing will change. IMO this team is going in the wrong direction and then add to that the loss of players that will happen every yr, I’m not expecting much.
by jvw on Feb 6, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Insanity is
traveling down the same path and expecting something to change
by cow_fanatic on Feb 6, 2009 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not giving up
I just don’t see anything right now that indicates JJ is going to make any of the drastic changes that are clearly needed. That 44-6 debacle was not a matter of simply losing a game.
by Elwood62 on Feb 5, 2009 7:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
by all this garbage going on
how can Wade honestly stay? Reeves said that Wade was the one that wanted him on board and so Jerry has now nixed it. The players read the paper, see the news. You don’t think this affects them at all? Yeah, I know, they’re professionals blah,blah,blah but would you want to play for the Cowboys right now?
by texstar on Feb 5, 2009 7:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Believe me, many of these players are breathing a sigh of relief
This team is filled with too many players who are just around for a paycheck. They could careless if the win or lose. They do not want to work hard, show up or pay attention. Supposedly there will be more discipline, but how can you have more discipline when you won’t even admit it was a problem? (see the DMN dispute).
by just4fun on Feb 5, 2009 7:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
why is everyone calling for dallas to get a disciplinarian coach? was bill parcells not one of the biggest disciplinarians as a coach? How many superbowls did we win with him?
how many playoff games did we win with him?
what was our best record with him? 9-7? the same record we had this year? seriously?
get real. stop buying into espn and the msm
by mahuebel on Feb 5, 2009 7:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Disciplinarian?... not necessarily, but
it would nice be to have a strong willed coach who the players feared a little.
by Boundforbeach on Feb 5, 2009 7:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
10-6
Our best record with Parcells.
Team needs a controlled atmosphere, and Wade has let the inmates take over the asylum.
That said, I wasn’t too fond of Parcells, his bend but don’t break philosophy on defense, and his refusal to make in game adjustments. I love Wade’s defense, but as far as a HC goes, I’m very iffy. I’m pretty sure staying the course with him wasn’t a terrific call.
by the red scare on Feb 5, 2009 10:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea I wasn’t saying Wade is the best coach ever or anything, I’m just trying to figure out why everyone seems so enamored with tough coaches, seeing as we JUST had one and our team wasn’t any better.
We had THE tough coach, the consummate “football” guy, and our team wasn’t markedly better.
The problems I see with Wade and linked with some of his best features. He will support his guys(players and coaches) to the end, and I think the players know that he’ll have their backs. On the other hand, he supported bruce read far too long, same with Brian stewart. It seems to take a blowout for him to want to change anything… the first blowout (the rams) he took over playcalling, the second (eagles) he finally let stewart go.
Another instance of the support too far is his defense of roy williams the safety or the defense last year… you know, the defense that “went 13-3 last year”?
I think respect works just as well if not better than fear. That’s the short version anyway. Now the debate is can wade get respect?
We dont have to have a disciplinarian for a functional team, just a coach that gets respect.
I think respect can work as well as, and maybe a bit better than, fear.
by mahuebel on Feb 6, 2009 12:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would settle for a
coach who held players and coaches accoutable for there actions and a coach who is a leader…… Wade is neither of these…..
by jvw on Feb 6, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Losing Reeves Was a PR Disaster
But I don’t know if it will make much difference to the team in the final analysis. The team is dysfunctional, but was Dan the guy to set them straight? The guy whose finest hour was losing a Super Bowl by more than two touchdowns? Who lost Super Bowls by 45, 32, 19 and 15 points? Is that the best we can do?
The team needs discipline. It has a few but not many needs on the roster. It needs leadership. We can still get there without Dan Reeves. And I wouldn’t just assume Jerry’s off his rocker. He might be, but not just based on this.
by kindablue on Feb 5, 2009 6:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
OH MY!
Don’t you know that Dan Reeves was the first person to disribute sliced bread and parted the Red Sea?
by AirforceBat on Feb 5, 2009 6:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
To disrespect Dan Reeves for losing superbowls is rediculus
If this team lost the superbowl this year by two touchdowns I think most of us would not be complaining. He took more than one team to the superbowl as a head coach. He is a proven disciplinarian and offensive mind. The only hope is that he replaces him with someone of equal standing. I can’t even fathom of who that might be. But until some of the dead weight is unloaded, nothing has changed. Pac-man was a cosmetic move as he never played much anyway, Tank was not cut, he was a free agent that didn’t want to return. The other dead weights are still on the team, Brad Johnson, TO, etc. More importantly is some of the players no starting that slack off in meetings and practice. Until some of these smaller role, problem players get cut, and we hear why nothing has changed. Hiring Dan Reeves would have been a good sign, but almost hiring him is not. I don’t care how much make up you put on, if you don’t lose the fat, your still ugly.
by just4fun on Feb 5, 2009 6:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Puh leeze... Don't put Reeves on that pedestal
Reeves purportedly won’t say what the contract provision was that caused the deal to fall apart out of fear that people will think it is “trivial.” You know its gonna leak out. And if it is trivial, and stupid, and all the other coaches had to sign it, then good riddance.
Reeves also apparently only declined the San Fran job in favor of Big D because he has family in the area.
He doesn’t bleed silver and blue. Disappointed? Yes. But AirForce Bat is right, this is not the end of the world, please…
by Boundforbeach on Feb 5, 2009 7:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
To judge a coach by losing superbowls is rediculus
This alone is not the end of the world. But not firing Wade, making no significant changes after a disaster of a season, continuing to do things that caused the disaster in first place is very disappointing. This team tanked and quit at times last year. When a team quits on its coach, drastic changes must be made. What happens next year when things get tough?
Reeves has a record for turning bad teams in to playoff winning teams. Wade has a record of turning playoff winning teams into average to bad teams. Wade is here, Reeves is not. Those are facts, not opinions. Reeves has a better coaching record than anyone on this staff.
Until real substantial changes are made, this team will fail.
by just4fun on Feb 5, 2009 7:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's also 'rediculus' to deify Reeves
Yeah… he’s a good coach and a good football mind. He gets credit for having reached the dance. He would have been a nice addition in the right role. But it didn’t work out. Too bad. You make it seem like we whiffed on Vince Lombardi himself. I’m not losing sleep over this.
One more thing, I’m no Wade fan either, but when just when did this team quit on its coach? I don’t recall hearing any player throw Wade under the bus, and certainly never heard any suggestion that he had lost the locker room.
Most of us wish there had been substantial changes this offseason. But I’m not writing off this season, let alone ready to proclaim “this team will fail.” Step back off that ledge my friend
by Boundforbeach on Feb 5, 2009 7:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This team quit against the Rams, and the Giants
and the rams players reported saying that if they got up on this team, we knew they would quit. There is no way a team this talented loses by that much to a team that bad with out quitting. The long 75+ runs was a result of certain members of the team dogging it when the going got tough. It’s not the whole team, but several players that need to be weeded out. They aren’t being weeded out. Reeves, Shannahan, Cowher, etc.. any disciplinarian will do, but there is none. When someone else is hired I may change my tune, but that hasn’t happened. I was here for the Dave Campo and Barry Switzer years and this feels eerily similar. To spell it out. Everyone in the country it seems can see that your head coach needs to go, but Jerry digs his heals in refusing to admit he was wrong or made a mistake.
The reason the Reeves thing is bad, is many of us fear Jerry is refusing to instill the discipline necessary to turn next season around. I do believe Wade will be fired after next season and a good coach will be hired and good times will be had in 2010. But next season is needlessly being wasted.
by just4fun on Feb 5, 2009 8:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"I was here for the Dave Campo and Barry Switzer years..."
Dude… it wasn’t that long ago. Who wasn’t? Maybe I’m just getting old
by Boundforbeach on Feb 5, 2009 8:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha...
Yeah you don’t have to be that old to remember that.
by AirforceBat on Feb 5, 2009 8:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That was my point
It wasn’t that long ago.
by just4fun on Feb 6, 2009 8:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My friend
you had your disciplinarian in Parcells. Sometimes stuff happens. This team has won 22 out of 32 regular season games and you want to start cutting people, firing coaches etc. You make it soundlike they went 2-14. They made some coaching changes, some rookies will make the team, some veterans won’t so some changes are going to be made.
Nobody fired the Cards coach when they lost 44-7 to New England and got 55 dropped on them by the Eagles. It’s only February man, chill just a little.
by jevans1729 on Feb 5, 2009 8:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just4Fun....
I don’t think I ever said that there isn’t problems.
But if you think this season is a waste, than why are you even on these boards dude?
I watched every game and I actually attended a couple of them this year.
It isn’t like they CAN’T show discipline or heart.
Tampa Bay and Washington and then for the first 3 quarters of the Pittsburg game, I thought they looked like a totally different team.
I’m not going into the season thinking that Dallas should win every game, but I’m not jumping ship yet.
I’d like for the offseason to get rolling, training camp to begin, etc. etc. before I just start going into Eeyore mode.
“Looks like greeeey ski’s aheaaaaaaad.”
If a team takes the identity of its fans than no wonder Dallas is a divided locker room.
by AirforceBat on Feb 5, 2009 8:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'd also like to say...
That I have made a reference to biblical scenarios, the Kennedy assassination, and Winnie the Pooh all in one day.
Not as easy as you’d think. Haha
by AirforceBat on Feb 5, 2009 8:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well done!
Someone’s been taking their Ginko Biloba pills!
by Boundforbeach on Feb 5, 2009 9:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nice.well said you are on point with this.
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
by stoproyce on Feb 5, 2009 11:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes everyone on earth is cabable of discipline
the point is that many of the player don’t appear to care. If you don’t care enough to prepare properly for a game as important as the Philadelphia game, what makes you think they care about winning next season?
The reason most people see grey skys is the direction the team is heading. Sure they could change the environment that caused losing in the first place, but their not so far. Instead we hear excuses, denial and cosmetic changes. They are not consistent enough at playing good football. The Cause IMHO is lack of execution due to a lack of preparation (even spags admitted they didn’t prepare properly this year). The guy in charge of getting them prepared is Wade Philips. Wade Philips is still in charge. He has NO respect in the locker room. So why would things get better? If you keep doing the same things that caused you to fail, you will continue to fail. The problems are correctable, but the primary source of the problems is still in charge.
So do you honestly believe Wade is going to be tougher next year? Is that what your counting on? Wade has taken over playoff teams three times, in his second year each team got worse. He got fired in his second year at the last two stops. He loses control of the team and gets fired, it’s what he does. Now, for the first time, he gets a third year. In six years of failing he has not changed, but this year he will? Sorry, but I just don’t see that happening.
by just4fun on Feb 6, 2009 8:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not totally disagreeing with you but....
Your quick to bail out on a season that really hasn’t even began to start.
Do I believe that sinners will become saints? No. Do I believe its possible? Yes.
It’s also crazy that you think that just because there will be a coaching change that will make it SO much better. This is a group that was basiclly doing the same thing under Bill, so if your going to cash in on this season you might as well just hang your Dallas jersey up for about 4-5 years.
by AirforceBat on Feb 6, 2009 8:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
7 habits
I wouldn’t doubt that Reeves subscribes to the 7 habits of highly effective people in doing business. One of which is negotiating for a Win-Win, or no deal. Rather than many iterations of give and take and asking for more than what you really want, a negotiator presents the minimum that they believe will result in a win-win. They inform the other party that it is a final offer. If the other side doesn’t give it to them, they walk away from the deal.
I can see Jerry trying to wheel and deal and require Reeves’ presence at all new stadium functions as a representative of the Landry era. I can see Reeves’ saying that isn’t acceptable and walking away from the deal entirely.
by JimmyJohnson on Feb 5, 2009 9:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ray Lewis on the Cowboys
Lewis declared that the Cowboys need “one general” when asked about the dysfunctional Valley Ranch atmosphere. He said that needs to be a player, not a coach. And he obviously believes he’d be a great fit for the job.
by quincyyyyy on Feb 5, 2009 10:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Jerry Jones and Terrell Owens
I have always deffended Jerry as an owner who wants to win and who woulddo anything to bring in the best players. I have also deffended T.O. because most of his issues are because he hates to loose and simply cant control his mouth when he does….but damn….what a mess we got ourselves into. The wde receiver doesnt talk to half of the offense and half of the offensive coaches, the head coach is a lame duck with the most predictable moron on the NFL soon to replace him, the deffense aaargghh……oh well….
I guess we have to wait for another three 5-11 seasons for Jerry to decide to give control to someone else or to finally sell this team or what?…..
by ManTab on Feb 5, 2009 11:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
No deal because of hours clause....
Maybe I’m missing something, but how can a clause spelling out how many hours a week a person has to be at work a deal breaker. I mean if I accept a job and its full-time I know I have to be there 40 hours a week, it is also on the paperwork you sign from HR. Usually a box that is checked that says full-time with an explanation of what full-time is considered in hours. How that can make Reeves not want to sign a contract is ridiculous. Blame Jerry all you want, but I for one am not. If Reeves can agree to work a certain number of hours during talks, then why does he not want it in writing????
by bigkat74 on Feb 6, 2009 6:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's all because "consultant" jobs are BS.
I applaud Jerry Jones for trying to work in an hours clause. Everyone knows that consultant positions in the NFL are just handouts to has-been coaches who want a cushy sunset job. Jerry Jones wanted a guarantee that Reeves wasn’t just a figurehead. Good for him. Anyone who thought hiring Reeves was a good idea, they should be relieved that Jones was persistant about this. Reeves’ naive comment about how “a contract should be like a handshake anyway” tells me that he is completely out of touch. We should be glad that this deal fell through.
by Tex34 on Feb 6, 2009 8:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Epitaph of this version of the Dallas Cowboys, 1996-?
“Not one time with any head coach in 20 years does anyone have an authority to hire a football player, fire a football player, draft a football player, hire a coach, an assistant coach,” Jerry [Jones] said. “In 20 years, not one coach has ever had it. I’ve always had it. I want to make that clear.”
We have conclusively identified the defective gene in this organization that is mutating our once proud Cowboy organization into Oakland East. However, the patient is resisting all efforts of medical intervention.
by NCCowboy on Feb 6, 2009 6:55 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The media is out to cause a fight, and you're getting suckered right in
The Cowboys are not that dysfunctional. It is funny how 8 months ago everyone was touting Jerry as one of the best GMs in football for assembling an amazing roster, and handing the Cowboys the Lombardi Trophy in August. Now, after a season of injuries and Werder-inspired BS, the Cowboys are suddenly the Raiders? Please. Get over it. I remember when the Giants were out of control and Coughlin was on the hot seat two years ago — hell, they’re still a mess with Tiki/Strahan/Jacobs running their mouths and Burress being a thug. Bottom line is that games are won on the field. Every season is different, and there’s a good chance the Cowboys will click next year with the same cast of characters.
Have you been ignoring anyone with a brain on the Cowboys who has spoken about the team? Ware, Romo, and Witten have all said the team gets along well and that TO did a really good job avoiding landmines. You can either trust them, or get all hot and bothered reading media speculation. I choose the former.
by Tex34 on Feb 6, 2009 9:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think there is a disfunction...
But possibly more smoke than fire.
There definitly needs to be some PR control, but I agree that the majority of the fans are reacting as if it was total anarchy.
by AirforceBat on Feb 6, 2009 9:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's Jerry trying
to get himself out of a PR hole. Yesterday when he came on The Ticket he was trying to cover his butt because apparently he is getting blasted in the Dallas area. Fans are in an uproar because of this latest thing. People are calling for his head and saying all kinds of nasty things about him. IMO what’s getting over-looked thru all this is Jerry doesn’t have faith in his current coaching staff . If that is truly what he feels then cut thru the chase and make changes in head coaches etc. Why go thru this charade?
by texstar on Feb 6, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Now THAT
I totally agree with.
Although alot of the problems with his staff can be drawn back to the fact that they essentially have no power over the players. Which is Jerry’s fault.
by AirforceBat on Feb 6, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
These are self-inflicted wounds, not media-inflicted
You say no dysfunction? Then, how do you explain the following:
(1) Our Owner/GM says continuity is key for the coaching staff, then proceeds to fire 2 out of 3 of his coaching coordinators, and presumably was on the brink of hiring Dan Reeves to either help his head coach or offensive coordinator, and probably both, leaks to the public that he is going to be hired, then botches the hiring.
(2) Our players love each other so much, yet sources that can only be on the coaching staff or front office leaked to the media that there is a heavy campaign to release Terrell Owens. Now, despite his obvious declining skills and production, Owens is still the team’s most productive receiver. Why would the team contemplate releasing him? And note, the media only reported a story that was obviously leaked by someone from the Cowboys organization that wanted the story reported and no one from the Cowboys organization publicly refuted the story (unlike the story of the delayed flights).
Note that neither of these facts can be blamed on the media, and cannot be attributed to media speculation.
by NCCowboy on Feb 6, 2009 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Keep in mind also. Dan Reeves worked 48 hours without a signed contract. Don’t know what that says about his work ethic but obviously there was work to be done based on the initial parameters he was hired under. Is anyone talking about a replacement for Reeves to assume the work he was going to inherit? As my post said which went over like a lead balloon, the cat is out of the bag. With all the talk of hiring Reeves it’s evident help is needed. Who assumes that role?
by cow_fanatic on Feb 6, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with you about Reeves
He’s a workaholic personality. I don’t buy the dispute over an “hours on premises clause” in the contract.
My guess to fill the consultant role is nobody.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Feb 6, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Something sounds fishy here
because I can’t believe that Parcells did not have the authority to get rid of a player. Maybe he didn’t actually fire them but he sure had a lot of influence. Remember Antonio Bryant? I forgot the guy’s name that Jimmy Johnson used as an example to the rest of the team on the flight back from Wash. but he got cut. Hey Tex34 are you new here cause our names are very close?
by texstar on Feb 6, 2009 9:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
dumb both ways
reeves said that he doesn’t need the hours thing in the contract because he will work hard and a lot of hours anyway, bla, bla, bla, So if he feels this way and he’s going to work all those hours then sign the contract. And if Jerry trust this guy so he can fix the ship, then are you letting him go because he does not want to put how many hours he’s going to work ? all seems fishy to me, there should be something else going on in that contract.
by farawayfan66 on Feb 6, 2009 10:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, something else is going on because the hurs clause doesn't make a whole lot of sense
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Feb 6, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if that's the case
we need to put both these guys in diapers and haul them off. There has to be more going on than this. Both have big egos and are prideful but come on? I wonder if it’s somehow tied to Wade being there or not the following year? Just a thought so guys don’t blast me okay?
by texstar on Feb 6, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
pretty simple
For whatever reason Dallas lost out on chance to better overnight. Missing an opportunity to add someone with 30 years of NFL offensive knowledge HURTS..
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on Feb 6, 2009 10:54 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
You are so right
it HURTS! When it’s obvious that your OC needs help and your head coach needs help and so you put all your fans on this roller-coaster getting us all excited that maybe, just maybe, you are trying to change some things. Then you have this petty little clause in there to insult someone that has 30 years of experience. The only other option you have at this point is either suck up with your pride and make it work or get rid of JG and Wade and go get a real head coach and OC instead of putting your fans on a roller coaster with our emotions. WE ARENT THAT STUPID
by texstar on Feb 6, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
NFL consultants are a joke. Furthermore, it’s not like bringing in a guy like Parcells, who demands respect. Reeves is as passive as Wade and wouldn’t have brought a lick of accountability. There is no way giving Reeves a semi-retirement office on the Ranch would have made this team better overnight.
by Tex34 on Feb 6, 2009 1:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
really.
Reeves passive? Interesting..
I know after listening to him on the radio the guys knows his stuff, especially on offense.
If the guy can make Vick functional, imagine what he could have done for Romo.. Im just saying..
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on Feb 6, 2009 6:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Passive and Reeves do not belong in the same sentence
+1 Wmillion
by texstar on Feb 6, 2009 9:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
one thing that really bugs me
is a lot of young guys seem to have this mis-guided thought process that just because someone is in their 60’s that the game has passed them by. That is total garbage and it’s totally dis-respectful to Reeves and others. BTW-I’m not in my 60’s not even close so don’t say that its because I’m older. Reeves is very bright and deserves respect and he’s nobody’s little whipping boy like Wade
by texstar on Feb 6, 2009 9:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 6, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think jerry changed his mind
otherwise why would he put such a clause in the contract, when I have never heard of that in any NFL contract including players. I never heard of that type of clause for any top level management position, so Jerry put that in knowing that reeves will balk and the contract won’t get done. for what ever reason Jerry changed his mind and saw this as a way out and saving face and just dealing with a little media backlash.
by CowboysFanatic on Feb 6, 2009 11:11 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Jerry decided in the last hour the hiring Reeves wouldn’t be the right move and used this “hours clause” as a way to break it off. Still, you have to wonder why Reeves didn’t just say OK, whatever Jerry, and sign it.
Also you have to wonder what really changed Jerry’s mind.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
by APerfectStar on Feb 6, 2009 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont know about that
Its obviously all speculation, but I think the disagreement was more mutual
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 6, 2009 4:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

by 

























