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Our Boy Roy: What Happened?

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Never has the importance of impact safeties been more evident than it was on Championship Sunday two weeks ago. Only four teams remained in the hunt for the coveted Lombardi trophy, and each of the four had a safety who was a starter in the Pro Bowl. The Eagles’ Brian Dawkins, the Cardinals’ Adrian Wilson, the Steelers' Troy Polamalu, and the Ravens’ Ed Reed all have a catalytic effect on their respective defensive units. They direct traffic. They make tackles in the backfield. They separate backs and receivers from the football. They pick off passes, and they take them to the house. It was not that long ago that the Dallas Cowboys had a guy like that. The troubling thing is that they still have that guy. The name and the smile are the same, but Roy Williams is no longer the game-changing fire starter he once was.

Star-divide

On October 6, 2001 Oklahoma’s Roy Williams made one of the biggest plays in the history of one of college football’s biggest rivalries. In the fourth quarter with Texas pinned against it’s own goal line, Williams leaped over Texas fullback Brett Robin to disrupt a Chris Simms pass. Williams’ valiant leap, and linebacker Ted Lehman’s consequent pick-six would go on to be known simply as "the play." While his leaping effort cut his image into the minds of casual football fans, he had already been on the radar of NFL scouts. After an impressive showing at the NFL scouting combine, Williams was selected eighth overall by the Dallas Cowboys in the 2002 NFL draft. At last the Cowboys had an enforcer, and the Robin to Darren Woodson’s Batman.

Roy Williams burst onto the scene in 2002. He racked up 85 tackles, 2 sacks, 3 forced fumbles, and 3 recoveries. He even had 5 interceptions, one of which he returned 85 yards for a touchdown. It's hard to imagine Roy weaving through traffic to run one back 85 yards today isn't it? His sophomore campaign was full of more disruptive plays and enough bone-jarring tackles to earn him a First Team All-Pro selection. Williams was never great in coverage, but your were literally gambling with lives when you threw the ball into his area. He was selected to his second and third Pro Bowls in 2004 and 2005 as the Roy Williams fear factor continued to mask his deficiencies in coverage.

It was not until the 2006 season that Roy's coverage began to become probable cause for concern. He was routinely victimized by tight ends and was caught in trail position on deep ball after deep ball to wide receivers. Teams began to dictate match-ups that forced Williams into man coverage and he became harder and harder for the Cowboys defensive staff to hide. While he was delivering hits worthy of felony charges, his tackling skills eroded. Roy still made the Pro Bowl, but purely as a result of name recognition. Midway through the 2007 season he had become a league wide punch line, and even the big hits were few and far between. Wade Phillips and his staff took Williams off the field altogether in passing situations after Roy's coverage skills proved too poor to even hold down a linebacker spot in the nickel. The 2008 season was a complete wash for Williams, as a twice-broken forearm cause him to miss all but three games.

Roy Williams’ descent  has bared the characteristics of the demise of an aging player. It is hard to believe that we are talking about a guy who will not turn 29 until midway through training camp. There is no denying that Roy Williams has dramatically fallen from grace, but there is some debate as to what the cause may be.

Is it possible that Roy has been out of position all this time? As has been the case with a lot of players, Roy Williams may have fooled a few scouts at the combine back in 2002. At an even 6 feet and 219 lbs., a 4.53 forty yard dash probably well exceeded the expectations of many. Maybe the big hits and the great straight-line speed were enough reason for scouts to turn a blind eye to Williams’ marginal change of direction ability - and stiff hips. Roy’s struggles with his weight have been well documented and he has always had the look of a 245 lb. guy trying to be a 220 lb. guy. Almost every training camp there is a story about how Roy dropped 20 lbs. and is quicker than he has ever been. It just seems that he has had Tampa 2 weak-side linebacker written all over him from day one.

Let’s not forget that Tony Romo is not the first Cowboys’ player to have a celebrity girlfriend. In late 2003 Williams began dating Grammy Award winner Kelly Rowland, and the two became engaged in May of 2004. As much as we point the finger at Tony Romo’s high profile relationship in relation to his lack of on-field focus, we have to make the same consideration for Williams. When Jay-Z and Beyonce pop up at your barbecue, your life is no longer normal. By 2006, Roy had the woman he was going to marry and a big fat five-year deal from the Cowboys. It is conceivable that he may have taken his foot off the gas a bit at that point. Add to that a 2006 breakup and Roy has had his fair share of off the field distractions. Not that other players haven’t effectively dealt with similar situations, but it just doesn’t seem that Roy is wired the way that they are. Which brings us to what may be the real issue.

There are more important things in life than football. Unfortunately, the NFL is for men who have yet to reach that conclusion. Roy Williams has been very public in recent years about his religious faith. He has been recently scrutinized for saying that God took his anger away. Of course, Roy is not the only guy in the league with a strong religious faith, but not everyone can balance it the way that Reggie White did. The Falcons’ Byron Hanspard and the Raiders’ Napoleon Kaufman both walked away from the game in their twenties to get closer to God. It’s possible Roy’s decline can be attributed to football no longer being number one in his life, and that is not a bad thing. When Roy Williams’ life has run it’s course, his faith is going to get him a lot farther than his coverage skills. If Roy feels the way that Hanspard and Kaufman felt, then maybe he should follow them.

If this off season spells the end of Roy Lee Williams with the Dallas Cowboys, his career will likely be remembered for what it could and should have been, rather than what it was.

As it probably does for the defenseless receivers in this video, this hurts to watch.

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I think its a real shame that he didnt get a chance to turn his career around this year

But I agree with your point that physically he has always seemed a bit out of position

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Feb 6, 2009 6:19 AM CST reply actions  

What about last year... and the year before?
I think its a real shame that he didnt get a chance to turn his career around this year

by quincyyyyy on Feb 6, 2009 9:23 AM CST up reply actions  

I realise that

but I was looking foward to him coming back this season much improved. It just didnt happen, although there is no guarentee that it would have even if he stayed healthy.

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Feb 6, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

so why did you think it would happen this year

that is the definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result

by quincyyyyy on Feb 6, 2009 7:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Well I never said I thought it would happen

I just said it was a shame he never got the chance

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Feb 6, 2009 7:54 PM CST up reply actions  

agreed so here is a thought that's been bounced around

move him to a LB position. He is pretty solid against the run and having him gain some weight might have him lose more of his average speed but at LB that shouldn’t matter. he might be undersized for a 3-4 LB but so are burnette and Zach THomas. getting Roy playing much closer to the LOS is better than having him run around loose in the DB field. he could still get to hit some WR coming across in short crossing pattern :)

worh the experiment.

by CowboysFanatic on Feb 6, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

No thank you

Shoulder tackles do not work whether you’re closer or further from the LOS. He is not good against the run because he doesn’t wrap up. He will be less likely to wrap up now due to exposing his twice-broken arm

by cow_fanatic on Feb 6, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

well if we got him next year anyway, why don't we bravely line him up

opposite Demarcus Ware, my hope being what quickness he still has allows him to get around blocks

by AustonianAggie on Feb 6, 2009 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

No way...

He will be WAY out of position playing that close to the line.

0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.

by gee-roj on Feb 6, 2009 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

He is just too stiff

he has no wiggle to get around blocks

(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud

by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 6, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Huh?

Can you see Roy taking on OTs and 250-260 lb. TEs head up?
They would chew him up.

You think OCs target him now, wait till he’s on the LOS. Every play will be run directly at him.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 6, 2009 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

i didn't really mean it seriously, i think he's an albatros

Gosselin wrote that a while ago. Though when Roy was at his best he was pretty good at shooting gaps

by AustonianAggie on Feb 6, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think so

Roy has played saftey all his career Zach played LB there is a big difference

by dallasfansince75 on Feb 9, 2009 5:25 PM CST up reply actions  

If I’m not mistaken…

Roy’s effectiveness changed around the same time the Cowboys switched from a 4/3 to a 3/4. Perhaps he is just not cut out to be a 3/4 safety.

0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.

by gee-roj on Feb 6, 2009 7:15 AM CST reply actions  

The scheme....

of a safety doesn’t change that much from a 4-3 to a 3-4.

If you blow a zone in a 3-4, you’d blow a zone in a 4-3. Taking awkward angles on tackles isn’t effected by scheme either.

This is a simple answer really.

Darren Woodson was good enough that it allowed Roy to kind of freelance around and jack people up.

After Roy was exposed as a liability in coverage (soon after Woodson left), he started getting criticized. It’s obvious he doesn’t react that well to it.

In all honesty, I think it comes down to a lack of want from Roy. Whether that comes from his faith(which Ray Lewis has, but hasn’t effected him) or maybe he’s just lazy.

I think he’s kind of lazy myself. There are times that he looks lost on the field, which shows a lack of preparation.

by AirforceBat on Feb 6, 2009 7:37 AM CST up reply actions  

something's wrong

we’ve agreed in consecutive days

by Joey2zs on Feb 6, 2009 7:39 AM CST up reply actions  

You're right

Football ain’t for him.
It was once. It’s not now.
The why of it probably is related to his personal life (wife, no wife, money, momma whispering in his ear, Jesus whispering in his ear, aches and pains, etc…). He’s got all the physical skills, he’s got none of the emotional drive any longer and we can’t know his mental capacity for the game.

by Joey2zs on Feb 6, 2009 7:41 AM CST up reply actions  

maybe he's not producing as much testosterone anymore

maybe what we need is to royally anger him, like Bart did to Homer, in the Angry Dad episode

by AustonianAggie on Feb 6, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

+1

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Feb 6, 2009 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

It started when we extended his contract....

Remember, Jerry rushed to sign him one year early and he went down the toilet from there…

by Boyzfan94 on Feb 6, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

You're Right, gee-roj

In the 4-3, Roy was more of a roamer with less responsibilties. The LBs such as Coakley and Nguyen would cover the TEs more than Roy would. That all changed in the 3-4, where he had to cover the TEs alot more -therefore getting burnt by the likes of Cooley and Shockey.

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by TheHeat on Feb 6, 2009 8:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Ummmm

Negative. Perhaps the LB’s covered tightends more, but that doesn’t explain his poor tackling and being out of position in zone coverage.

Safeties shouldn’t be effected that much by a scheme change.

by AirforceBat on Feb 6, 2009 8:21 AM CST up reply actions  

AFB is right

coverage does not charge regardless of whether you play 4-3 or 3-4.

And a lot of his problems are with bad angles and free lancing on running plays.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 6, 2009 10:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Hey!

You gonna write something on this entire Reeves scenario/non-scenario?

by AirforceBat on Feb 6, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

No

I’m off this week. I might dip into the threads, but I’m taking a break. I’ve been writing four years and have never taken more than seven days away from blogging. My brain turned to paste about the time Roy E. opened his pie hole last week.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 6, 2009 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

probably not

I don’t have any more information on it than anybody else.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 6, 2009 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

I thought Roy was done for sure in a season opening game against the Jaguars

Where he shot in to the backfield like a hero, lowered his head and totally missed Fred Taylor on a tackle because Roy wasn’t looking at him when he went to tackle

by AustonianAggie on Feb 6, 2009 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

The thing

that really sucks is that if he does leave, in 2 tears all anyone will remember is how he sucked the last three years he was here.

When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.

by GunsUp on Feb 6, 2009 7:35 AM CST reply actions  

so?

Who cares about his “legacy?”
This is the NFL, no a rose-filtered slow-mo documentary on the life of Roy Williams. NFL – Not For Long
What have you done for me lately?
I’m a Cowboys fan. I want to win. Roy Williams the safety sucks and blows. The only jersey I have is his and I’m ashamed to wear it. It’s TERRIBLE luck when I put on that miserable thing.

by Joey2zs on Feb 6, 2009 7:38 AM CST up reply actions  

so what????....

the guy got more money than god – and has remained relatively healthy thru the years….its unlikely that he will be crippled by the time he is 50….he’ll never have to work another day in his life and i’m sure he’ll have no problem finding another B-list songstress/celebrity to bang…..dont feel sorry for him

if you or i had half assed it at work the way that this guy has for the last 4-5 years we would have been canned years ago

by McLovin9 on Feb 6, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't buy the religious revelation

Troy Polamalu is one of the players most prone to name-dropping god in this entire league, and he’s never been excused of being anything but furious on the football field.

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by Conjunction on Feb 6, 2009 7:35 AM CST reply actions  

I spoke to that

I said that Reggie White pulled it off. But guys like Hanspard, Kaufman, and Roy may not be able to.

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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 6, 2009 6:11 PM CST up reply actions  

years

When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.

by GunsUp on Feb 6, 2009 7:35 AM CST reply actions  

it's simple

them taking away horse collar tackles killed his career.

4th and 26!!!!

by kingofnorth on Feb 6, 2009 7:36 AM CST reply actions  

It all happened at the same time so it’s hard to point to one particular thing—but I agree that the horsecollar thing was a contributing factor. One minute he’s an instinctive headhunter, doing whatever it takes to bring down the guy with the ball and the next he’s over-thinking everything, resulting in back angles and missed tackles. Taking away his signature move made him doubt his instincts and I think that the realization that he was messing with other people’s careers took some of the headhunter out of him as well. He’s clearly a fragile personality, so being seen as the bad guy didn’t help.

by greatwhitenorth on Feb 6, 2009 10:48 AM CST up reply actions  

In this instance,

I’ve always been certain that it’s the off the field stuff that diverted his attention from football. I get that a woman, a lifestyle, getting paid enough to change your family for all future generations, and a breakup will divert your focus away from a physically demanding career playing a game. But religion? That’s fantastically unimpressive. He’s soft. He’s lazy. He’s looking for an out into a different lifestyle.
The Reverend Ray Lewis has hunks of mean in between his teeth bigger than two Roy Williamses.
Ed Reed is an evangelical bible banger too.

If football was just an aggression thing for him, and he was singular in that dimension, then shame on Jerry Jones for being seduced by the guy’s raw physical ability.

by Joey2zs on Feb 6, 2009 7:36 AM CST reply actions  

True true...

In Jerry’s defense though, thats kind of something hard to see.

I honestly just think it comes back to laziness in his game and lack of preparation.

by AirforceBat on Feb 6, 2009 7:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Roy and Reeves.... Lazy?

I don’t know if Roy is lazy or not. But he play has not been befitting of his pro-bowl caliber early years. I’m through with the recriminations on Roy. Injuries, psyche, systems, desire, coaching, lazyness. Bye bye Roy… I’ll remember you fondly for your early years.

And speaking of lazy, how about poor Dan Reeves. How dare an employer who is about to pay millions in salary demand something so petty and trivial as a committment to work a certain amount of hours in return? Jerry is so un-american. Poor Dan Reeves. Let’s have a pity party for him.

by Boundforbeach on Feb 6, 2009 8:20 AM CST up reply actions  

I think Raf brought up the point about how that in 04 Woody went down and did not

come back and he was the one that could cover for Roy’s inability to cover. The curtain was lifted during the course of the 05 season and in 06 the writing was on the wall. Woody said that when he was there the relationship on the field he had with Roy allowed Roy to just go make plays, he did not have to breakdown the offense; Woody covered that part. When Woody was gone Roy did not have the same support and could not adapt.

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Feb 6, 2009 7:57 AM CST reply actions  

True

And unless you’re deion sanders, you have to work hard to adapt.

by AirforceBat on Feb 6, 2009 8:08 AM CST up reply actions  

That's not totally accurate

I don’t believe it’s accurate that Rafael said Woodson played 2 safety positions at once. What Woodson was doing was Captaining the defense and call out plays and warnings and advice and was careful to put Roy in the correct position pre snap with instructions post snap.
Woodson was sloooooow in the last two years of his career and was playing out of position – FS – because Roy took the SS role.
It was his wisdom that made the difference. I assume everyone thought, because I sure did, that that wisdom would transfer to Roy in some way and he’d fill Woodson’s role. That did NOT happen, and not even close.
He’s too big and slow to be out there not knowing what to do.

by Joey2zs on Feb 6, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Okay a different way to phrase how Woody managed the secondary on the duties of the safetys but

I did not say that Woody played both positions but he did allow roy to go make plays and he had a big impact on covering up Roy’s inability to cover and if he did not have that back injury that shortened his career we as fans would not have know about the problem until Woody retired. I feel that we are essentially on the same page.

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Feb 6, 2009 10:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

Here’s how you fix it.
Next month you have a meeting with Roy and the defensive coaches. You tell Roy that it’s his defensive secondary. He’s their captain. He calls all coverages in all preliminary camps… he welcomes the rookies and new signees and is responsible for their being up to speed… he dresses down blown assignments… he tells players to run and runs with them… he helps with technique…
If he declines, he’s cut. If he tries half hearted, he’s cut. In both scenarios, it’s leaked to the press that he’s lazy.
The downside is he sucks and can’t teach anybody anything… the upside is he is immersed in football basics and is re-invested in performing, and rekindles the excitement he used to feel.

by Joey2zs on Feb 6, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

I think this is a nice idea

but its doomed. Roy had new secondary coaches last year. A new position coach in Brett Maxie and a new guy overseeing the who secondary in Dave Campo.

He was making the same on-again/off-again mistakes three days into camp.

He’s done.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 6, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions  

I now have confidence our scouts can find tail backs and corner backs

and TEs, and shot 50-50 on LBs. What the heck can they do to get a safety? go 4-12 and get a high draft spot?

by AustonianAggie on Feb 6, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

You saw it first hand

So I believe you. But I also don’t see the downside in Joey’s idea.

BTW – Congrats to GD88, this is a really well written piece, you’re a great addition to the front page!

by StillHateTheGiants on Feb 6, 2009 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Roy was far more responsible for the Seattle playoff loss

Romo’s dropped snap took Roy Willie off the hook, but that was a terrible, terrible game.
His mistakes and inability to match up with Jerramy Stevens, or tackle Bobby Engram, hurt Dallas more than anything else.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 6, 2009 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Don't forget

he whiffed on Sean Alexander in the backfield at a critical moment.

He did get a pick when he got a chance though – I will give him credit for having decent hands and getting picks when he gets the chance.

(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud

by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 6, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

He whiffed on Alexander

because he freelanced on that play. He left his gap open. Had he played his responsibility he nails Alexander for no gain and Dallas gets another shot at a game winning FG.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 6, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes, and I recall

He caught Alexander flat footed and still got beat. At that point in his career, SA was not too elusive or shifty, but he sure as heck wasn’t as stiff as Roy.

(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud

by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 6, 2009 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Chiefs

Looks like the Chiefs found their head coach… Tod Haley

Was I the only one who wasn’t very fond of Haley while he was with Dallas?

by Prime-Time on Feb 6, 2009 8:06 AM CST reply actions  

No,

our celebrity reality-TV starring wide receiver wasn’t too fond of him either. Wouldn’t let him catch up on his sleep during team meetings, as I recall.

by NCCowboy on Feb 6, 2009 8:46 AM CST up reply actions  

well

while that’s a tantalizing quote, it’s also out of context. I think he meant that Dallas is a great opportunity for any NFL ball player to step up and take a leadership role on a great team. He didn’t specifically say it’s what he wanted to do.

by Joey2zs on Feb 6, 2009 8:23 AM CST up reply actions  

I would say that Ray is playing it smart by just talking about dallas he can raise his asking price

for the team he would really consider going to, the Jets. The HC was Bal’s DC and they had a good working relationship so Ray-Ray plugs dallas to help his agent get a good asking price and get the last big payday before he gets too old; so I doubt he is coming here.

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Feb 6, 2009 8:37 AM CST up reply actions  

co-sign

it’s called “posturing” for a better deal.

even to the point of saying he likes TO…

…all in order to possibly get the Jets and Ravens into a potential bidding war for his services.

and like you said, land his “last big payday.”

great comment.

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by silverblue5 on Feb 6, 2009 8:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Agree

Baltimore wants him to take a “hometown discount” and Ray’s comments, especially his excessive love for Dallas, scream “PAY ME FULL PRICE” to the Ravens.

Let’s remember, Dallas has the 5th least cap room of any team and wants to re-up Demarcus Ware.

On a related note, dumping Thong will probably free up some cap space.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 6, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Not to mention

That 2010 is not guaranteed to be a cap free year.

0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.

by gee-roj on Feb 6, 2009 12:35 PM CST up reply actions  

And if 2010 does have a cap...

The cowboys are done. It will take 5 years to clean it back up again.

0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.

by gee-roj on Feb 6, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

He's campaigning

I wouldn’t buy into it too much.

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by Conjunction on Feb 6, 2009 8:50 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't want Ray.....

long in the tooth on the downslide of his career. Were better off with Bart Scott… Younger with more upside. God, I hope Jerry doesn’t get fooled into signing him…

by Boyzfan94 on Feb 6, 2009 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Dallas needs to focus on youth

look at the last two drafts, excluding the failures of Oline… our scouts are pretty good

by AustonianAggie on Feb 6, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions  

I think money will keep Jerry from going crazy

Ray won’t be cheap. If he wants a budget Ray, I’d go for James Farrior. Same age and can still play. He was an every down LB for Pittsburgh. He stays on the field in their nickel and covers very well. Something Zach Thomas can’t do any more.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 6, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

I like this idea…

I’ve always been a bigger fan of looking for more bargain basement free agents who do a good job under the radar. Big name free agents rarely pan out.

0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.

by gee-roj on Feb 6, 2009 12:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Good piece

but “the play” will always be when Hershel Walker ran over Bill Bates back in college.

by SB2008 on Feb 6, 2009 9:13 AM CST reply actions  

on that note

“The play” for Herschel Walker, in a Dallas uniform, came, IMO, in the ’87 season opener. Cowboys are playing the Cardinals in St. Louis. They trail 17-13 late in the game. They face a 3rd and 7 on their own 35 or so with about 3:30 left in the game. Walker catches a swing pass at five yards and is one-on-one in the right flat with a Cards cornerback.

The peerless Herschel stepped out of bounds at five, rather than lowering his shoulder and trying to grit his way to a first down.

I knew then the guy was a fraud.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 6, 2009 10:44 AM CST up reply actions  

True

he should have a mention in the ring of honor with a purple square next to it, with three Lombardi trophies in the square.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 6, 2009 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Raf I think his comment points more to the fact that Dallas did a good sales job

on a Min Team that fell in love with the name instead of giving true value.

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Feb 6, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

That was my point

Side note: When Walker played for the New Jersey Generals, he lived next door to a close friends of my parents. I met him a few times (I was probably 17 or 18 at the time) and he was a genuinely nice guy. He was very gracious, soft spoken and humble. He was also an absolute physical specimen. I always had a soft spot for the guy. He had immense physical gifts, but you are right in that he lacked that killer instinct and drive that someone like Emmitt or Walter Payton had.

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Feb 6, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

What really annoys me about the Roy lovers is

they think, “oh if we change this about our system he’ll do better.” and when we do and he still sucks, they will come up with another excuse. They always say, “well next year he’ll be better.” It gets old after awhile. I have never seen one player get so much undying support no matter how much he sucks.

Here’s the hard truth: Roy sucks. He’ll always suck, and there is nothing anyone can do about it. So deal with it and move on. Geesh.

by quincyyyyy on Feb 6, 2009 9:29 AM CST reply actions  

really?

who’s defending Roy Williams? There was a sea change 15 months ago, when he casually mailed in the 2007 season. (Sweet mixed metaphor, eh? but, i don’t feel like re-writing) Midway through last season, even the most devout apologists on The Boys Blog/Blue and Silver Report changed their minds.
He may still be a celebrity to passive fans, but anybody who watches with the merest discerning eye can see he’s a weak link… he’s a net negative… he makes the team worse… he causes others to play out of position… he forces too safe/vanilla defenses to be called… he puts tons of pressure on all the other defensive positions because offensive coordinators call plays specifically to take advantage of him.
All that said, though, the passive fans pay to watch Roy Williams the name, and Jerry has to respect that, so I doubt he’s released.

by Joey2zs on Feb 6, 2009 10:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Reasons to Release?

The only reason I can see for not releasing him is if we fail to pick up a good safety in FA or the draft. I don’t think Jerry keeps him around because of all the ‘Williams’ jerseys out there or the fans (if there are any left) who still thinks he’s a pro bowl caliber safety.

Anybody know offhand his ’09 salary or the cap hit if we let him go? Would these be reasons to keep him?

by Boundforbeach on Feb 6, 2009 10:14 AM CST up reply actions  

I love mixed metaphors

it’s all just spilled milk under the bridge

by StillHateTheGiants on Feb 6, 2009 11:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep...

I don’t think there are too many roy williams fans anymore though.

I haven’t seen too many of them in the last couple of years honestly.

by AirforceBat on Feb 6, 2009 9:33 AM CST reply actions  

great write up, Glory

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Feb 6, 2009 9:47 AM CST reply actions  

I like Roy the person

He’s a good guy and doesn’t bring attention to himself, doesn’t need the spotlight. But it is time for him to go. Any perceived liabilities need to be addressed and this has been one for some time.

Insanity is the belief that you will get better results doing the same thing.

by cow_fanatic on Feb 6, 2009 9:55 AM CST reply actions  

ILB

I still believe he would be better off as a linebacker. He could become an Urlacher type LB. Urlacher if you remember was a converted safety now playing linebacker at a Pro Bowl level. Roy can cover the flat well (passing routes not so much) which is all you need from a linebacker, and he can hit like a linebacker. So why isn’t this guy a linebacker again?

Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!

by DerekSTheRed on Feb 6, 2009 10:14 AM CST reply actions  

I don't think he'd be able to shed lineman that move to that second level.

Granted he won’t hafta deal with this too much playing on the outside, I just don’t see it happening. I like him, but he’s donesky’s…

by AikmanNailedMySis on Feb 6, 2009 10:21 AM CST up reply actions  

He would have to play WOLB in a Jimmy Johnson 4-3

or a Tampa-2 4-3.

He’s best suited to play Dexter Coakley’s role. Won’t happen on this team.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 6, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Why bother?

when Kevin Burnett, who is the same approximate size as Roy, covers RBs so much better than he does?

That’s Thong’s problem. If he’s moved to LB he’s still at best the 3rd best cover LB on the team. Ware and Burnett cover TEs and RBs better than him right now.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 6, 2009 10:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Raf do you want Burnett back?

I’m not sweating his size and I do… I wish he was Enstein but I’ll still take the Devil I know

by AustonianAggie on Feb 6, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

I'd like him back at a decent price

It all depends. If some Tampa 2 teams offers him a starting job and some good money, he’s gone. But Tampa 2 is going out of style. Not many teams are running it any more and more teams are going to blitzing schemes, especially blitzing 3-4s, so there’s a chance he’ll either get an offer Dallas can match or he won’t get a huge deal.

I think he has a much better chance to return than Canty and I’d welcome him back.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 6, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions  

i can't believe he hasn't become a force on the dline...

i know hes a steady contributor, for the position he plays… but when we stole him and he ended up being able to get 100% healthy… i really had high expectations for him… i still feel he’ll be a force later on in his career tho

by CowboysFan4Life on Feb 6, 2009 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Canty is more of a force than Spears....

If your going to call Canty a disppointment, what do you call Spears who was the 20th overall pick?

by Boyzfan94 on Feb 6, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

to me, Canty had a stat line I had never seen of a college player

he averaged over 100 tackles a year! playing a DE in a college 3-4. I thought for sure he was going to be a hurricane on the line

by AustonianAggie on Feb 6, 2009 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

i call them both disappointments...

we had high hopes for both, even tho canty was a 4th… and spears was a 1st… i had high expectations for both… both have shown flashes of near dominance on the dline… but thats it, flashes…

by CowboysFan4Life on Feb 6, 2009 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Watch the replay of McGahee's TD run against the Cowboys . ..

and that will tell you what you need to know about Spears. Biggest play of the season, and not only does he get too high and blown out by the doubleteam, but he manages to take Bradie James and Zach Thomas out of the play as well. When teams wanted to run at the Cowboys, they ran at Spears.

by NCCowboy on Feb 6, 2009 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Let's see

Not enough instincts to play LB or SS, too slow, doesn’t tackle well, takes poor angles, doesn’t play with a meanstreak. The man is not a complete player at LB or SS. If it weren’t for these shortcomings, he would be a really good player.

by T Zig on Feb 6, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Hahaha

If I wasn’t short, skinny, slow, and weak, I’d be a really good player too!

by AikmanNailedMySis on Feb 6, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions  

lol

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Feb 6, 2009 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Linebacker

I would think his poor tackling would pretty much make him toast at LB as well.

(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud

by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 6, 2009 10:20 AM CST reply actions  

And who's spot would he take?

Zach Thomas? I like creativite thinking, but this won’t work.

by Boundforbeach on Feb 6, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions  

I mean on any team, anywhere

He doesn’t have the goods to be an LB.

(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud

by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 6, 2009 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Ugg this LB thing again....

That would be great. That way we could see him shoulder tackle running backs more often than usual.

by AirforceBat on Feb 6, 2009 10:35 AM CST reply actions  

I personally like Roy

I wish we could afford to keep him around.

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z

by Wmillion on Feb 6, 2009 11:16 AM CST reply actions  

yes.

We are both from CA, he went high school with a college a freind of mine, and he used to come out and hang out.

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z

by Wmillion on Feb 6, 2009 5:41 PM CST up reply actions  

You personally like him... seriously?

everytime I see him talk he acts like a whiny dips@#$. When is not calling out his teammates on the field for his own mistakes, he snaps back at people who dare criticize and calls them ignorant. The guy is a jacka$$. As soon as he got paid he stopped trying. He stopped putting time in in the film room, he stop practicing consistently, he is one of the biggest waste of talent I know of. I can’t wait for that sorry excuse for a football player to be kicked off our team.

by quincyyyyy on Feb 6, 2009 12:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I do.

Our D played better the previous year with him back there.

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z

by Wmillion on Feb 6, 2009 5:42 PM CST up reply actions  

then you should invite him over to your house for a BBQ......

but as far as football is concerned – he hasn’t done a thing on the field in years…..sayonara lard @ss!!!

there’s only room for one overpaid, underachieving malcontent named Roy Williams on this team

by McLovin9 on Feb 6, 2009 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Using the logic of Tex....

Roy Williams strong decline started in 2006 and thats also when Tony Romo became the starter.

Must be Romo’s fault.

by AirforceBat on Feb 6, 2009 11:24 AM CST reply actions  

You know when you've "made it"......

when other posters pull your name out of thin air and explain “your” logic. I always enjoy Tex’s posts, especially the ones he writes himself.

by StillHateTheGiants on Feb 6, 2009 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

The same thing applies in the real world, for example I used to work for an nat gas tesing company

and one of the veteran operators was a real azz, he was nosy, lazy, but he knew his S$(t out in the oilfield but he would get on you nerves and he was a complete character. Imagine a guy of german decent who talked like he was a character from “born in East LA”. So even though just about everybody could hardly stand to work with him he was one of the most impersonated and talked about guys in the yard and in the field.

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Feb 6, 2009 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Bingo

It isn’t fame, it’s infamy.

by AirforceBat on Feb 6, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

We are Seinfeld to Tex's NEWMAN!!!!

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Feb 6, 2009 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Romo says "everybody is mad at everybody"

What this team needs to do is hire Andy Warhol as a consultant

Andy, what do you think of Racism?
“I think everybody should like everybody”

by AustonianAggie on Feb 6, 2009 11:27 AM CST reply actions  

Dude that just mad me SAD...

like hardcore depressed. I just to be so freakin giddy when receivers came over the middle because I knew Roy would swallow them whole. My giants fan/roommate used to talk so much smack about how great Brandon Jacobs was and how he’s so punishing. I remember Roy nailed Jacobs on the goal line and popped the ball loose, we recovered. GOD THAT WAS AWESOME!

by AikmanNailedMySis on Feb 6, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, but here's the point about that Jacobs stop

Dallas had to punt the ball from the end zone.

One minute later, Jeremy Shockey schooled Roy for a TD and the game was tied
anyway.

Roy takes for you with his power and then gives it right back with his suckaholic coverage.

And that’s in his “good days.”

by Rafael Vela on Feb 6, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

haha your memory is WAYYY better than mine...

Way to crap on my parade! But yeah, I completely understand that. Shockey OWNED Roy in every game they played.

by AikmanNailedMySis on Feb 6, 2009 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

and he schooled him

because Roy played zone while the other ten guys played man.

Parcells didn’t single him out by name in his presser that week, but he talked about “one guy did one thing and everybody else did something else.”

That’s been a problem on this team. Not playing for 60 minutes. Roy was probably all jacked about his goalline stop and forgot that the game was still in doubt and the lead was only 7 points.

Cutting off the field nuisances like Pacman and Tank is great, but I could stand to see a few of the 54 minute men shown the door as well. Especially one with a huge contract.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 6, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Roy really is a sad story...

im 21 years old right now, and when roy was in his prime, i used to watch his big hit tapes before summer workouts, 2 a days and before games… it really helped me focus and keep my self dedicated to strive to be great as a senior playing varsity ball… it really is unfortunate that his career dwindled so fast from being so great to barely mediocre…

by CowboysFan4Life on Feb 6, 2009 12:40 PM CST reply actions  

It really isn't

the guy is getting paid millions for doing squat. Maybe it’s sad for us fans, but for him he hit the jack pot, and Jerry was more than willing to oblige.

by quincyyyyy on Feb 6, 2009 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

the sad part...

is he was building a legacy.. and noo where better to build a legacy then with the Dallas Cowboys… he was playing unreal, on center stage for the premiere (or at least one of the premiere) franchises in the league… one of only a few players in the league that would make receivers turn ther head as they crossed over the middle… i remember one play against seattle when shuan alexander (during his quality years) was breaking a tackle, got by, then just got stonewalled by roy at the sideline… drove him back 4 yards… the sad part is he could have been one of the all time greats, imho

by CowboysFan4Life on Feb 6, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Too bad he cared more about conning Jerry out of his money

He stole so much from this organization: a high round draft pick, a chance to get Ed Reed, time wasted developing him (which caused the safety problem we have now), cap space, etc. I will never forgive that waste of space.

by quincyyyyy on Feb 6, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions  

building a legacy?

that would assume he had three or so really good years and fell apart.

He was very good in 2003. That’s about it.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 6, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Roy has lost his desire to compete and play

at a very higher level needed of a professional athlete. What has caused this who knows, but the fact is he transformed from being one of the best players in the league to a very average player really quick.

Quite sad actually.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 6, 2009 12:44 PM CST reply actions  

Interesting

Because when people suggest your boy has changed, you say such change is unpossible.

(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud

by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 6, 2009 4:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Just a random thought...

I think if there was a blog when Dallas went 1-15 under Jimmy that first year, there would have been rows and rows of people talking about his incompetence and how there needed to be a real professional coach and not some college lacky.

You’d have had people who were convinced that Troy Aikman was a bust and injury prone, and that Michael Irvin needed to be traded.

by AirforceBat on Feb 6, 2009 1:24 PM CST reply actions  

Oh heck yeah...

But you didn’t need a blog. The columnists, sportcasters, taxi-cab drivers and just about everyone else were up in arms. Jerry’s a clown, Jimmy’s in over his head, Landry was disrespected, Walsh is better than Aikman, etc… I don’t recall anyone hatin on Irvin though.

People really FREAKED out, however, when Herschel was traded. Everybody now looks back and remembers this as the steal of the century, the best deal ever made in Dallas. But at the time, alot of people were very, very upset.

by Boundforbeach on Feb 6, 2009 2:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, they were freaked about Herschel

And the funny thing is, I knew a lot of people who were telling me in mid-season ‘90, when the Cowboys were at .500, that Jimmy was going to get fired because he hadn’t done anything.

And those same people were crowing in ’92 like they had known all along the winning was coming.

Of course, I also ran into a vocal but tiny minority in ’92 and ’93 who were still bitter and insisted, “Tom would have done everything Jimmy did, if they had just left him alone.”

You see, at least people are griping now because the team has disappointed them, but I know there are always whiners and complainers — even when the team is winning Super Bowls. Some people just can’t be happy.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 6, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I think that's a good point...

Big D this year stands for Disappointment. Everybody thought this team would achieve so much more, and the pre-season hype this year was almost unprecedented. It’s understandable people are so upset. What amazes me, however, is the number of people (many of this blog) who have already written off ’09 altogether. It just goes too far…

by Boundforbeach on Feb 6, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Blogs, talk radio shows

they serve as a form of therapy for some folks. A talking cure. I don’t like it, but I’m coming to accept it, though I’m taking my time doing so.

I remember when I was in Oxnard three years ago and my laptop crapped out the day I arrived. I had to rent a replacement for a week and when I finally got online, there were a few frazzled people. Somebody wrote, “Thank goodness for the story. I’m twitching for news.”

That’s when I got it that big blogs like this are online methodone clinics. We roll the carts down the aisles and dispense the daily pills in paper cups.

Some people use them as bars, where they can debate. Others as seminars, where they can present and question, others as therapists couches. To each their own, I guess.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 6, 2009 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Well right now what's teeing me off is that the Boys are favored to represent the NFC

next year! I’d just like this team to coast under the radar for a little while, dang it!

Vegas already has the boys 9-1 to make it, playing the 8-1 pats. Pitt and NYG are 10-1

by AustonianAggie on Feb 6, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Now there's a thought

How do we attach taps to the blog, so we can pull a cold one while we engage in the back and forth.

Ah, the internet still has so far to go.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 6, 2009 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I would prefer the beer IV

Every time you make a good point or observation it increases the flow.

by cow_fanatic on Feb 6, 2009 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Then...

I would have to go out and buy my own

by cow_fanatic on Feb 6, 2009 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Roy is likely gone

I’ve come to accept that my one time favorite Cowboy will never regain his game changing ability. It’s sad, but I’ll remember him fondly from his first 3 seasons. One of the most intimidating hitters to ever wear the star.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Feb 6, 2009 1:46 PM CST reply actions  

to each his own.....

i prefer to remember his fat @ss running after guys like Jerramy Stevens, constantly whiffing on tackles, taking bad angles, launching his shoulder at WRs/RBs and missing, failing to wrap up on tackles and having guys bounce off him for the last 5 years….that’s what keeps me frosty

you’re romanticizing his career

by McLovin9 on Feb 6, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

if he were on any other team in the NFC EAST you'd be wishing that he'd play forever

can you imagine what we would do to that guy for 2 games every season???….my god – Witten would be in the hall of fame by now

by McLovin9 on Feb 6, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Not romantacizing anything

I’ve noticed most of your posts are negative and expect nothing less from you. I don’t think you’re even a true Cowboys fan. You’re just on here to instigate arguments.

Grizz thankfully deleted my previous response, because I fell for your crap and blasted you hard.

T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003

by APerfectStar on Feb 7, 2009 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

well a few things bother me...

and one of those things is repeating the same mistakes…fact is – he has done way more harm than good and the only reason he has been here for the last few years is because of his cap number – think of the whiff on Amani Toomer in that Giants playoff game

its not personal man

by McLovin9 on Feb 7, 2009 6:09 PM CST up reply actions  

that assessment is incomplete and unfair

the man popularized a lazy and dangerous tackling style inspiring the league to institute a new rule. He also laid some Cowboys out with big hits.

I always thought the puffy sleeves made him look like a sissy. Hard nosed killers don’t have clean white sleeves protecting them from turf burn. I wouldn’t let my sons look that pretty in Pop Warner.

(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud

by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 6, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I ahve no further comment your honor...

However I would like to commend Glory on an excellent post. Glad you’re aboard!

by Benthere on Feb 6, 2009 4:51 PM CST reply actions  

Why do we have to kill guys when they fall out of favor?

Why cant we just say “Damn, Roy just aint what he used to be. Too, bad” and move on. I think a lot of people feel like Roy hurt them personally by tailing off. Let it go.

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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 7, 2009 4:26 AM CST reply actions  

+1

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Feb 7, 2009 6:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Easy target

People love taking advantage of the easy target.

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z

by Wmillion on Feb 7, 2009 9:53 AM CST up reply actions  

People like

Every TE and OC in the NFCE?

(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud

by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 7, 2009 10:36 AM CST up reply actions  

haha

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Feb 7, 2009 6:39 PM CST up reply actions  

It's a nice idea

but their seemed to be an attitude change as well. He is only 28, and he started to fade around 2006. That is too young, too fast to be over the hill.

(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud

by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 7, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Why don't we compare

Roy’s stats against all other strong safties? We do it with QBs and RBs why not safties? If you use tackles, passes defenced, and ints. where does Roy rank amongst his peers? Everyone is comparing Roy against Roy. How about Roy against his peeers? Doesn’t that tell the real story?

by jevans1729 on Feb 7, 2009 10:40 AM CST up reply actions  

haha

i’ll expect to see the numbers you came up with by 5PM today (jk)

by commoncents on Feb 7, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

+1

and I know I’m going to get blasted for this ,but why is it when Romo does some stupid things,he gets a free pass with some of you guys who shall remain anonymous-wink-wink? I just don’t get it. When Roy makes mistakes, which I’m not defending, he get blasted but when Romo fumbles or throws a duck it’s everybody else’s fault or he’s just making a play? Isn’t it the same difference? Just explain what is the difference?

by texstar on Feb 7, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Romo still has more good plays than bad ones

Whereas Roy doesnt anymore.

"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."

by aussie_cowboy on Feb 7, 2009 6:40 PM CST up reply actions  

As I promised

a little comparison for the strong safety position. I will state from the outset that I am not apologizing for any of Roy’s bonehead plays but just tryingto give the guy a fair hearing vs his peers. The following stats come from NFL.com so if you have a beef take it up with them. Roy’s career stats tackles, passes defenced, and ints are as follows:
                                         Tackles P.Def Ints
2002 99 8 5
2003 72 8 2
2004 94 10 2
2005 81 10 3
2006 62 14 5
2007 92 7 2

Total 500 57 19
Avg 83 9.5 3.17

It should be noted that NFL.com classifies Roy as a FS for years 2002 through 2004. However, for this exercise, I am calling him a SS. It should also be noted that the 2008 year was omitted in its entirety for obvious reasons.

I next took the top strong safeties ranked by amount of tackles for the 2007 year to develop an average. Their rank is against all defensive players not just DBs to develop an average.

                            Team Rank Tackles P.Def Ints
Michael Lewis S.F. 30 104 7 2
Chris Harris Car 42 96 6 1
Sean Jones Cle 42 96 15 5
Bob Sanders Ind 42 96 8 2
Leron Landry Wash 45 95 0 0
Sammy Knight Jac 51 93 15 4
Roy Williams Dal 54 92 7 2

Total 672 58 16
Avg 96 8.28 2.2

Now surely arugments canbe made as to whether or not he is worth his contract and things like that, Also, there were no stats for how many times Roy got beat in man coverage and the like. However, the guy;s 2007 surely is right in there with the top strong safetys if tackles are used as the ranking stat. His passes defensed and ints are right there. I think this “cut Roy” thing might be a little overblown.

by jevans1729 on Feb 7, 2009 3:46 PM CST reply actions  

wow impressive

thanks for the effort…

puts a way different perspective on roy than i have been seeing…

by commoncents on Feb 8, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

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