It Can Always Be Worse
by Rafael Vela on Feb 6, 2009 6:12 PM CST
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Down about the PR hit from Dan Reeves departure? Unhappy with the fingerpointing and bickering? Feeling hopeless?
Look, you could be a Cardinals fan.
Yeah, I know, that's a cheapshot. And a stale punchline. They just made the Super Bowl and played proudly. But have you seen what's happened there the last 24 hours?
- Their OC, Todd Haley, has become HC in Kansas City.
- They just fired their DC, Clancy Pendergast.
- WR Anquan Boldin is again agitating to leave, arguing that his relationship with the team, "can't be repaired."
And they won the NFC. The Cardinals Nation will now hold its collective breath and hope that Kurt Warner returns. Can anybody, even the most avid Arizona fan, see a repeat with Matt Leinart at the controls?
It's the first week of February. Free agency has yet to start. The team has yet to assemble its first draft board. We don't know who will be cut and who will be kept -- Adam Jones and Tank Johnson aside.
What's more, we don't know what the opponents are going to do either. Dallas can replace coaches but it will do so of its own volition. It didn't have its DC whisked away, as the Giants did. It's not facing the cruel news the Eagles and their DC have received.
Deep breaths, ladies and gentlemen. Deep breaths. It could be worse.
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It is a cold comfort
To have less frustration than a Cards fan.
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
Who's not frustrated right now?
I’m praying for the guy, but the Eagles might lose their DC. Dallas doesn’t have anything
close to that. Not at all.
Rafael, question:
What do you think has to happen for the offensive line to play smarter next year. Other than having Kosier come back can anything be done? I don’t see any of our current starters being replaced.
Stay healthy
They were a good line in ‘07, but they made mistakes. Flozell stayed healthy and that’s one big reason he struggled last year. He was a one armed man part of October.
They also need to keep Montrae Holland’s weight under control. When Flo got hurt they didn’t dare replace him with McQuistan because they had Proctor at LG and a left side of McQ and Proctor would have gotten all of their QBs destroyed.
They need to find one kid who can make a push. I’m really hoping Free adapts to Hud, because he took a step back this year. I’m really, really hoping they land one of the big C/Gs so we can put Proctor behind us.
i would say that
Marc Columbo had a good year. I know Davis disappointed, but Columbo was more than solid, save for the usual false starts.
Respectfully disagree Raf
The cowboys are an embarressment right now. The Cards can look back proudly on this season and they would have to suffer 12 years with no playoff wins to feel the disappointment I feel right now. Our star QB and his chunky significant other are all over the tabloids and Jerry Jones is doing his best impersonation of Al Davis with his wacky moves. In 23+ years of being a fan I have never felt the shame I feel now and can only hope that looks are extremely deceiving and there is a plan being drawn up in Valley ranch because I don’t see how any Cardinals fan is more disappointed than us right now.
At least they have a real head coach and a real star WR.
What Raf is getting at, is that
going into next season, the Cowboys still have chances of success because eery team has issues to deal with. Just because Dallas’ problems recieve more attention than the other teams i nthe league doesn’t mean that they are the lone troubled.
I’m sure Cincy is tired of Marvin Lewis and Chad Johnson. They would probably like to have TJ Houz back next year, as they’d like to stop wasting the prime time of Carson Palmer’s career. At least the have a dominant defense, right?
Cleveland is doing well with a solid QB situation… They’re great. Phil Savage has filled their roster with All-Pros.
The Ravens are stressing losing three LB studs. They’re offense is coming along, but they haave cap issues and Rex Ryan is gone. Flacco isn’t Peyton Manning. Mason and Clayton aren’t Fitz and Boldin.
Speaking of Fitz and Q, Raf mentioned Arizona’s issues.
The Rams have a rookie HC… and the same roster as last year (in before “they beat the Cowboys!” give it a rest).
The Niners. ’nuff said.
Buffalo. ’nuff said.
J-E-T-S … do i have to explain the QB problems? Rookie HC. What happens to their offense minus Favre?
Cheifs, Raiders, Lions… do i really have to continue?
i wanted to do an analysis on every team, but it should be obvious.
agreed
lets look at the actual contenders.
Eagles – about to lose a ton of veteran leadership and starters.
Giants – they are in dire need of a wide receiver. Spagnuolo is gone. Either jacobs or ward will be gone. They will likely give jacobs a big deal to keep him, which will cause cap problems down the road as they realize they’re starting a back that is only great behind a great oline.
Redskins- They’ll be anywhere from 7-9 to 9-7. As seems to be the case the last 5 years.
Cards-they’re an absolute mess, as stated above
Seahawks – not much better, but its tough to grade that team due to the incredible volume of injuries last year
Saints – they’re as likely to go 7-9 as be competitive.
Bucs – this team could definitely go downhill, but they have some good young peices in their oline and some defensive players
Panthers – will lose peppers for sure imo. They have an aging qb. I feel like the window for this team is closing.
Falcons – the only nfc team in my mind thats one its way up, but thats no guarentee they’ll finish with a better record.
Bears, Vikings, Packers…..maybe green bay could be a threat, but i don’t see the other two fielding a competitive offense.
We have as good a shot as anyone in the conference. If we can lose some of our dead weight and issues, we’ll be fine.
good post
i think fans have been a bit too pessimistic
let’s just wait and see how things go next year
"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips
Things look bad
the team has some REAL issues to sort through. Important issues.
But you can never look at the team in a vacuum. They play the other teams in the NFL.
And just about every one of them has real issues too.
Good post indeed
Although I think Minnesota could very well be on their way to being a great team. They need a QB, and maybe a better receiving core. They still have the best running back in the league(I’m a tad bit biased, but it seems most of the civilized world agrees). But yeah, I agree completely on Atlanta. They’re one of only a handful of NFC teams I can see improving to the point of being a major contender.
by the red scare on Feb 6, 2009 9:46 PM CST up reply actions
I think its still waay to early to be deciding on which teams are going to be contenders.
There are surprise teams every season
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 6, 2009 9:48 PM CST up reply actions
It is,
but I really like New Orleans right now.
They need some defense first…
New Orleans is just so bad on that side of the ball.
The thing is that every season someone who was great the season before falls way back while someone who sucked rises up out of nowhere. For all we know the Lions might go 10-6 next year while the Giants fall to 7-9.
Long gone are the years when you could adequately predict how a season would unfold by looking at the prior season.
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
Didn't mean to post that so quickly
Sean Payton has been a one year wonder everywhere hes gone. Their offense is good, but it fell apart in some key situations last year. Their defense is still absolutely awful. Thats gonna be trouble considering they play the nfc east.
where are they going to get a QB when they need one?
They need one and they don’t have anyone in the pipes
by AustonianAggie on Feb 7, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
You are right
but the problem is that so far this offseason, our moves have been confusing. With Wade in place and this recent Reeves fiasco, it is really hard to get behind our management/coaching and feel any sort of confidence. As Reeves said in his “exit” interview, he sees this team as really close but little things in the NFL make all the difference and JJ seems to be killing us with his little things.
give it time
this offseason is far from over. We’ve heard that the team is going to focus on character/leadership this offseason. We’ll see how it goes. They started off good with releasing pacman, tank will be gone, the new special teams coordinator, and the fact that they’re going to at least consider releasing star players like TO because of their character. While I don’t know if im for releasing TO, im glad that the coaches and owner want this circus to stop.
The Reeves situation is a negative certainly though, no doubt about it. It just looks awful.
1:06 pm CT 19 May 2006
Tex (aka MONTECITO TEX, the QB expert)
"Gotta love the critics… just save this post and apologize when Henson emerges as the next great Cowboy QB."
That's hilarious
And untrue. On what foundation can anybody build that argument?
by the red scare on Feb 6, 2009 9:42 PM CST up reply actions
Well
probably not, Tony probably still has the slight edge in that department despite the lack of video evidence.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
Fair and Balanced...
Post the beleaguered Brian Stewart comments from last summer in the ’Nard.
Tex will talk football… everyone else will talk, well, Tex.
If you keep throwing things out there...
You’ll eventually be right.
It’s like you can be the crappiest bowler in the world, but if you keep chunking it you’ll eventually get a strike.
Is it tough being the emperor of Candyland?
The only person that talks Tex is Tex
I really hope you are just writing as comic relief.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
Jerry Jones doesn't own any of those other teams,
ergo, they have a chance.
... wow. what an educated response.
the ESPN monster and mainstream media has filled your heads with over-blown nonsense and negativity for some time.
now, because of the dan reeves event, it’s the last straw! OMG! he’s horrible!
well this straw has broken the imaginary camel’s back. the “circus” in Dallas is an exageration. this off season is just another one. decisions will be made to put the team in a position to win. whether the descions work out is another story.
there will be a circus in Dallas...
because it’s the DALLAS COWBOYS. Every bit of success that Dallas has is going to be exemplified. Look at this past year when Dallas shot to 4-0; there was no doubt in anybody’s mind at ESPN that Dallas would be representing the NFC.
There will also be scrutiny to no end when there is “controversy”. No matter how real it actually is, anything to talk about the Cowboys is going to bring attention to that specific media outlet, and the media eats it up.
It’ll be a new season with new aspirations.. I’m not saying everything is fine down at Valley Ranch, but at the same time, we have a talented roster with some good character guys, and there is certainly reason for optimism. I would have laughed at your if you told me 1 year ago that Arizona would be in the Super Bowl.
I don’t feel better about my team because other teams are in turmoil, I feel better about my team because football is 1 season at a time. That’s the great thing about the sport. No matter WHAT happens the year before, there is always next year. And with the dissapointment I felt this season, I can’t sit here and give up on the 2009 season when this years Pro Bowl has yet to even take place.
Wow
This site is rapidly turning into an extension of Rich Dalrymple’s PR department. They must be getting nervous about ticket sales to send all these trolls here. Or have you guys just been drinking the Kool-aid again and are willing to do their bidding for free?
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
I think some people are too negative looking forward
Why does it have to be the ones who don’t think next year will be a disaster that are drinking the koolaid? If you know the story of Jonestown, it’s the followers who thought everything was lost and the world was not worth living in anymore who drank the koolaid, not people who had a positive outlook on life (except for the ones that were forced to at gunpoint)
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
very true Tom
Its never as bad or good as it appears, we as fans should always keep that in mind.
In Romo we Trust
You make good points
I do know some of the history behind Jonestown. What is traditionally meant by “drinking the Koolaid” is buying into the “company line.” For example, Jim Jones told his followers that they would never be left alone; that outside forces would always plague them and therefore they should commit mass suicide. That was the company line. It was the dissenters (those that had a more optimistic view as you point out) who did not buy into it and therefore had to be forced to drink.
To properly apply that analogy to the present situation:
The company line is: everything is ok; we had some tough injuries; if we can get healthy and make some roster updates, we will be just fine. This is the company line because that’s what the PR department (including dallascowboys.com) is pushing.
Therefore, to drink the Koolaid in this context is to agree with the PR department that no fundamental changes need to be made; that the status quo with Jerry as GM and Wade as HC is just fine.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
LOL
Good come back. I guess you could say we are both right depending on how you interpret the meaning “drinking the koolaid”
Agree to disagree.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
It Depends on Who You Think Is In Charge
dave33’s explanation cuts to the heart of the discussion, which is usually filled with lots of obfuscation. The Cowboys as an organization have a strong interest in reassuring their fans that everything is fine, when in fact things may be falling apart. Every organization does this; the Eagles when dealing with Owens first attempted to discredit those who spoke of a rift on the roster, then later portrayed him as a demon to be dismissed, without ever acknowledging those critics they were trying to belittle were in fact telling the truth. The reality was more complex than that, but the Eagles had a financial interest in maintaining the illusion all was well as long as possible. Otherwise the fans lose respect and interest in the organization, and start to lose confidence. It’s a basic exercise in public opinion manipulation articulated by Walter Lippmann a little less than a century ago. It’s also fundamentally contemptuous towards a democratic society, but that’s a different story.
The Cowboys are no different. They have and will continue to attempt to minimize any very real problems and paint a rosy picture. This will encourage optimistic thinking by their fans, and discourage those who are leveling criticism, whether legitimate or not. If one has access to Mickey Spagnola’s columns over the last ten years or so, you can easily see what I mean. He’s a company man whose job is to reassure the general public that the decisions made by those in charge are beyond criticism, and that everything will turn out fine. It’s very difficult to identify specific cases of public relations spin doctoring ahead of time, but it’s wise to recognize that the prevailing winds coming from a powerful sports organization like the Cowboys will almost always be blowing in the optimistic direction.
I suppose it’s possible that fans who appear overly negative can be accused of drinking Kool-Aid, but as dave33 pointed out, the connotation of “drinking Kool-Aid” means someone is following orders from above. It’s easy to point out the Cowboys organization as a PR force that attempts to drive the public towards optimism, but much more difficult to accuse those who are skeptical. Who is their management they are blindly obeying?
A very nice bit of perspective
It’s the first thing I’ve read regarding the Cowboys that made me feel good in a long while.
That's naive
to feel better about your team based on the hardships of three others. You’re paving the way for JJ to use these exact reasons to justify his hardships he had in the offseason. He gets to point at all the other teams in the NFC with personnel changes, FA losses, etc. However the problems we are facing are self-inflicted, the problems listed above have to do with successes of two of those teams(both making it to the Superbowl and 1 winning it) and another with cancer.
I wasn' t being overly optimistic
And I’m certainly not naive. I merely said it’s the first remotely positive piece written on the Cowboys to not come from the official site(their writers seem to be payed to spin everything in a positive manor) in quite a while. It’s not to say I’m brimming with confidence with their chances in 09. EVERY team has to improve drastically in order to compete next year. That’s the way the NFL is. But it was a bit of perspective I had lost recently, due to all the doom and gloom coming from Valley Ranch. That’s all I was saying.
by the red scare on Feb 7, 2009 12:20 AM CST up reply actions
That's my fault then
I tend to be overly doom and gloom as you can see
Not sure if thats actually how the blog works
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 7, 2009 6:46 PM CST up reply actions
That's how propaganda works
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
I'm Back!!!!! Not that i ever left.
The honeymoon is now officially over for haley, although the chiefs were so bad last year that he’ll be annointed if they win 8 in 2009. He wont have a solid year from warner to bail him out.
“Great googily moogily.”
Watch the fins in 09, dont be shocked if they regress a bit.
In other news, Tex is officially a jackass, and claiming to be the only one who called out b.stewart as a figurehead who isnt the real d.coord does not change anything.
turnovers my brothers. Wade said turnovers were the single biggest problem for the 2008 cowboys, and he was right. And he said it right at the end of the season, but it was clear no one was listening.
to date, no one has followed up on it either b/c they’re too busy ranting about TO and now dan reeves.
Fix the turnover issues and you’re right back on top.
Give credit where it's due
My memory is that TEX was the ONLY person who even brought up Brian Stewart back in the summer, when almost everyone else on the old blog was annointing the Cowboys to the SB. A lot of people laughed at him and proclaimed it didn’t matter because it was Wade running the D. Well explain to us then why the D changed so much when Wade officially demoted Mr. Wide Eyed. To me, Tex is entertaining and frankly more knowledgable than a lot of people here. He’s also like a lot of others here; he has a pet issue (i.e., in his case it’s jabbing Tony Romo).
So Wade identified the problem as turnovers? Big deal, what did he do (in his capacity as HC) to fix the friggin problem? Give me a break defending him. The team is undisciplined and under achieved. That goes directly on the shoulders of the HC as far as I’m concerned.
by StillHateTheGiants on Feb 7, 2009 8:40 AM CST up reply actions
Hi Jarhead...and welcome back.....
Spot on with the turnover issue….and it starts with the QB. Not fashionable to criticize Tony, but he needs to cut down on fumbles and throwing the ball to the other team….He has so many good things going for him, I believe with proper coaching he can improve. The wins will follow. There has got to be more to the Dan Reeves saga than working hours in a contract. Probably had more to do with his role during those hours.
The silence out of Cowboyland is deafening......
and some of it is by decree…..That might be noted as a very positive change. I agree with Raf….things could be a lot worse….Our cupboard is not bare…..and I doubt anyone is going to raid our coaches.
No they raided the coaching staff last year.
So we should be ok there. I think we’re an OL,safety, and ILB from kickin some major butt next season, but thats just me.
Yea, Wade mentioned turnovers
he said we gave too many away on offense and didn’t get enough on defense. Ware stripped a bunch but no-one recovered. Our first interception was from Greg Ellis in Week 5. In the 07 season it was Ant Henry and Ken Hamlin ballhawking, picking off passes every game; and when Newman was in (healthy), he’d get interceptions at crucial times (bills, redskins, jets (i guess)). It’s not all on Tony, yeah he chucked a few, okay maybe more than that, but if we give him time he can tear apart any D. That’s the o-line’s job, also Barber is awesome, but he fumbled alot this year. Luckiy we recovered a few of them, but we weren’t so lucky in week 17. Turnovers are huge, on both sides of the ball, solid coaching will help Romo be Romo again and not Tom Brady, also hopefully cutting down the “pick a game” subconscious philosophy. We throw the ball so much that he’s bound to throw a pick. It’s all on Carrot to run more, with our 3 very capable backs, and then unleash Romo.
I’m excited for next year, if we can stay healthy and make the necessary roster moves (safety switching/acquisitions).
"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips
If wade con't to be a cup cake coach dallas will be a 9 win team again
the lions even practice harder lol…thats a complete joke…
So explain this
how come nobody was calling it cupcake when his “soft” methods were winning 13 games?
Or when his dad’s methods — and Wade took this low-contact approach from Bum — were taking the Steelers to the limit in the ’70s? The Houston mediots were calling him soft back then too, and his answer was simple: “Houston is not on our schedule.”
Consider the source. Roy Williams has yet to prove he wasn’t a problem in Detroit. Look at it this way. They were winless with him and they were winless without him.
They didn't call it camp cupcake back then
because we were winning. Cures all ills. And I’m with you on Roy Williams. I’m starting to wonder if we now have 2 receivers to jettison in the next few years?
I think they were calling it cupcake in '07
but shut up once the winning started. It was resurrected in ’08 when the team dipped.
On Roy. His comments pushed me over the edge. But I notice that Matt Moseley wrote yesterday that Jerry is “feverishly trying to find the source of the leaks” that went to ESPN. He’s also muzzled his staff at the Senior Bowl.
You notice Roy’s comments came at the same time? And that NOBODY in the organization has spoken since?
This is a page from the Tuna playbook and of all his disciples. Belichick gives the N.E. press nothing. Pioli imposed a total press blackout in K.C. when he took over. Mangini is already being a tyrant in Cleveland (that boy is getting the second chance Belichick got but B.B. toned it down his second time around. The Mangenius seems even more tightly wound than before.
It took a hard thwack on the head — several ones actually — but it seems one of Bill’s lessons may have sunk in. It’s a little step, but this team needs about a dozen little steps to turn it around. So this one is definitely welcome.
It seems Roy E. was late getting the memo. It does appear that he got it. Everybody else too. And that’s good.
Yeah he pushed me over the edge too.
And he better make it up to me, because I haven’t seen anything from this guy to warrant his mouth opening ceremony.
The best thing that could happen to this organization is for the employees to start shutting the **** up when a camera or microphone comes in to view. I hope you’re right about the media blackout.
i be happy to explain...
what happened in dec and there home playoff game???? exactly they were worn down….Talent can only take u so far..they were injury free in that 13 win season which helped alot, but when it came down to the real season they did not show up..
Because "cupcakeness"
is a progressive disease. It took most of 2007 to reveal itself. It can also be hidden by a pretty easy schedule.
The Cowboys’ 2007 non division opponents and their records
Dolphins 1-15
Bears 7-9
Rams 3-13
Bills 7-9
Patriots 16-0
Vikings 8-8
Jets 4-12
Packers 13-3
Lions 7-9
Panthers 7-9
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
they played a close game and lost
to the eventual Super Bowl champs.
I want you to name the Landry teams that did the same thing. You’ll run out of fingers counting.
Look at wade phillips
Never won a playoff game…He is not a good head coach and his resume as one suggests that…He is a dc not a hc…Maybe I am being harsh with the cupcake comments but the guy is not a winner.
this 08 team underachieved bigtime...
Why jerry has kept wade as the hc is beyond me….I do not understand it…..A team with all the talent dallas has how can u only win 9 games? How can u go into philly knowing a win and your in the playoffs and get your azz kicked I just do not get it…yawn all u want but the facts are the facts the guy is a loser as a head coach..
ur making me tired with ur yawning
….when u have a record like wades i guess all u can do is YAWN…..
all right then, you're position is clear
I guess we’ll see you in 2010, since a smart guy like you certainly isn’t going to waste his valuable time on a loser.
lol
Been a fan to long not to pay attention…I suffered through many many rough years…so 1 more isn’t going to kill me…I want them to win like everyone else but I am just frustrated with them not winning a lousy playoff game with the talent they got…..I will be here in 2009 hoping wade proves me wrong…Enjoy your weekend…cheers :)
LOL
okay, fair enough. Enjoy yours. Times are slow, and the football withdrawl is making us all salty.
Just asking, no snark involved, but will you still be canty99 if he signs with another team?
1 more thing
Look at the eagles…I believe dallas is a more talented team. D you agree?…Why do they seem to always be in the mix and and are able to win in dec and win playoff games..What do they have that we do not I hope canty stays i really do..I like his upside even though i figured he be more productive than he has shown…Yes i will keep the name…I got his jersey too..I am most likely the only one sporting a 99 canty jersey lol…
I think the talent levels are quite similar actually
Their lines are very good and they have an excellent secondary.
People rip on their WRs but the difference I see between Philly and Dallas is that while Dallas may have a little more overall talent when you go position by position, the Eagles don’t have a gaping hole in their lineup. Max Jean-Gilles played well when Shawn Andrews went down.
They also have two very good safties. Dallas has a guy (Hamlin) who is either really good or really down. He’s due for his up year. But the other spot is a zero.
I’ve said for a long time that a unit — o-line, d-line, secondary is better off with four solid guys than having two superstars and one zero.
Until Dallas fills the gaping hole at S and ensures a quality ILB to replace Zach, they’re not a complete team, no matter how great their overall level may be.
IMHO
Hamlin was hurt by the time off before the season. His contract took FOREVER to get resolved, and not being there with his teammates really hurt himin the long run. The year he went to the Pro Bowl, numerous people stated how he took over the secondary and was a leader back there.
Also, by the end of the season, he couldn’t even practice because he was hurt, but he continued to suit up every Sunday. I haven’t given up on this guy yet.
Good points
I’d forgotten about the time off and the injuries until you brought it up. It’s easy to just look at the bottom line results and forget everything else.
they've also had better continuity
How long have Thomas and Runyan been their OTs? Have McNabb and Westbrook been together. Have Sheppard and Brown and Dawkins been together in the secondary?
What does Dallas have that compares?
That was pretty convincing
I think they lack a running back who can get those 3rd and shorts…They struggled big time in that area…Yes having continuity is huge i agree..I give them alot of credit for what they did this year..I just wish dallas could play as team like philly does…I think we have some players on our sqaud who play for themselves and not the good of the team…We need a leader on out team, a dawkins type guy…Thats why i want ray lewis if he becomes available….He be a good replacement for zach..A safety for sure is needed hopefully they can find one in the draft….But you do make good points as you usually do….We will just have to agree to disagree on wade..
Jerry is taking a HUGE PR hit right now
Anyone that is talking about the Reeves situation is bashing the hell out of Jerry. Apparently, there was a hours clause stuck in the contract at the last minutue. This was the last thing Jerry needed and this time it appears the bashing is warranted. Jerry, I lost some respect for you this week……
We all love Woodson, but that's a typical Dallas move
Hire a guy that makes everyone feel good. I have no idea what kind of coach or consultant he would make.
by StillHateTheGiants on Feb 7, 2009 8:46 AM CST up reply actions
Well
He has knowledge of the game, seems very intelligent, has a love for the game, is a great leader, and has ties with the organization. Why wouldn’t you want someone like that consulting a team like this?
How about Darren as a consultant period...did you hear his comments on DC.com the other day?
He made alot of great points…
It's pretty bad when
everyone on Sirius is calling us Oakland East and calling Jerry Al Davis. He has made us the laughing stock of the NFL. Every analyst on Sirius was blasting Jerry and saying how can you insult someone like Reeves? This is right up there with the poor handling of firing Landry IMO. Not quite, but close.
Analysts.....
Who care’s what analyst’s think?
In 2007 there were 30 minutes specials on why the New England Patriots were the greatest team of all time. They lost the Super Bowl.
In 05’ USC was given an entire entry every time to why they were the greatest team ever assembled in college football. They lost to Texas IN Pasedena.
When McNabb was pulled in the Baltimore game, most analysts made the statement that this would more than likely be McNabb’s last year. That is yet to be determined but they made the NFC Championship game.
Most Analyst’s ripped Houston for not taking Reggie Bush with the first pick in the NFL draft. You would rather have him now than Mario Williams?
Don’t pay attention to them, you know?
All it will do is piss you off.
This isn't a prognostication
It is a conclusion based on a pattern of events – much different than what you have cited.
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 8, 2009 6:46 PM CST up reply actions
we are a long long way to becoming the raiders
We are still drafting very well, our owner has kept our key players and generally not overpaid for free agents. Meanwhile, Davis has handed out some truly massive contracts to guys who have hardl performed at all. I think you have to really buy into the media BS to think we’re like the Raiders.
+1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 9, 2009 12:48 AM CST up reply actions
It could also be a hell of a lot better
Here’s a quote from Clark Hunt, the owner of the Chiefs concerning Scott Pioli and Todd Haley.
“I feel we’ve hired two of the finest football minds in the National Football League and collectively they know 20 or 30 or 40 times more than I know about football. The organization is best served if I fulfill my role on the business side and let them do what they do best.”
Are you freakin listening Jerruh? Or, is your head so deeply buried in your ego driven @$$ you can only here the sound of your own voice echoing off your colon?
by steelyeyedmissle on Feb 7, 2009 9:07 AM CST reply actions
A sensible post in the midst of all this PR rubish
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
Raf I think most outside this blog would rather be a Cardinal fan right now
there problems and distractions aren’t even in the same ball park as ours. They at least made it to the superbowl. Heck, we didn’t even make it to the playoffs.
Your probably going to see Grimm become the OC in Arizona.
An interesting take on Cards/Cowboys.....
Let’s just imagine for a second that had been the Cowboys in the Super Bowl and the game still played out pretty much exactly like it did; all the big plays that went for the Cards happened for the Cowboys and of course all the boneheaded mistakes that ultimately doomed the Cards sealed the Cowboys fate as well. What would the prevailing take on the game be?
A.) Romo leads the Cowboys back from 13 down in the 4th to take the lead with under 3 minutes left in the game.
OR……
B.) Romo threw one of the DUMBEST INT’s in Super Bowl history right before halftime that ended up deciding the game and fumbled away the Cowboys last offensive play.
Ask yourself that.
good points
So do you want to hold our team to higher standards or are you satisfied with Cards standards?
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
I live in Arizona.....
and I have been a Cowboys fan since they played their first game. I am not switchin"…..I have news for all the hand ringers on this blog….the Cowboys will be back with a vengence and will make the playoffs this year…Jerry will be faced with another decision then….which HC to keep…Yikes.
Send me what you're drinking
AZ,
You can’t be serious. I know it’s only February, but get out of the sun for your own sake.
by steelyeyedmissle on Feb 7, 2009 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
I am living in AZ also
Not sure what AZ Cowboy is drinking, but I wish he’d point me to that watering hole. I need a break from reality too.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
Do you have to insult anyone who dares to be optimistic?
Unless you have a crystal ball (that works) you don’t know if the Boys make the playoffs next season or not. They definitely have the talent and unless they get hammered by injuries again, I feel like they have a much better than average shot at making the post-season.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
I was making a joke
But do you really think that everything is ok? That this team is an injury bug away from serious contention? If you do, that’s fine. I just think the changes that are needed are more fundamental than that.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
Agree with you
What’s the excuse for 2007 when we didn’t have the injuries? Talent is such an over-rated word. You have to have talent to even be in the NFL so I don’t buy this talent thing. A good comparison is look at Shaq and Kobe. They were very talented but their egos got in the way and the rest is history. It takes much more than talent to win. On the other hand look at the Pistons that defeated the Lakers when Kobe and Shaq were together. I would venture to say they weren’t near as “talented” but they upset them in the playoffs because of team chemistry issues.
True, but I don't consider
one and done much of a play-off run.
its not an excuse
The GMen just executed better than us just like they executed better than the Pats in the SB, its as simple as that.
In Romo we Trust
+1
You are 100% right Terry. We lost to the champs, a team that also beat the #2 seed in Lambuea and the 18-0 Pats.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 10, 2009 12:00 AM CST up reply actions
Yes we made the playoffs
But finished the season losing 3 of 4.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
Haven't Won the Last Game
Of the regular season since 1999.
Which is incredible, when you realize we’ve had winning seasons five of the last six years.
I can't figure that one out
it’s really strange
I don't think everything is fine.
But I don’t think it’s as bad as some people are convinced of.
I might be in the minority on this, but I like Wade, and even though he might be more suited to be a DC than a HC, I’m glad he’s running the defense. I am hoping they continue to improve with continuity. As for Garrett, I haven’t given up on him yet. I still think the guy is smart enough to realize any mistakes he made and improve on last season’s decline. I do think that the injuries hurt the offense much worse than people want to admit. MB3, Felix, Romo, Witten, Kosier, were all necessary components that missed signifigant playing time.
I am encouraged to hear that Wade is going to take back some control over the offense, and that the plan for next season is to run the ball more. That’s a step in the right direction. I liked the replacement of the ST coach. That unit was horrible last season and really needs to improve. Hopefully DeCamillis is as good as his reputation.
As far as Jerry goes, what can we expect? I don’t know, probably not much change there. Maybe he’ll at least back his coaches up and get tougher on the players who break team rules. ($100 fines are totally ridiculous.) I think he’s improved on listening to his scouts more on draft day and hopefully that continues.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
IMO the problem is Jerry
It doesn’t matter who the coach is. Until Jerry let’s the coach control the locker-room and the players there will always be some sort of soap opera going on. It’s like when a Dad tries to discipline the child and the child goes to Mommy. Instead of sticking up for Dad she sides with the child. Until Jerry let’s go, they will continue to have problems. I’m not being pessimistic just realistic.
totally agree
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
Darren Woodson was on the Lunch Break
2 days ago and he made perfect sense. After Jimmy left, Switzer came in with the coaching staff already in place. Campo same thing. Now Wade already had Jason Garrett and the other in place. Some left but Jerry hired his old cronie Houck instead of letting Wade hire his own. As Darren said, all good coaches want to bring in “their guys” and you don’t go around the coach to Jerry. Makes perfect sense to me. Listen to Woodson and you’ll understand an insiders view.
Yeah, that's a pretty good analogy
I think most fans wish Jerry would be more hands off and not undermine the coaches authority.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
My dream.....
is easier to sleep with than yours….the talent is already there to be back….fewer injuries…fewer turnovers….we’re BACK…
Whatever
As long as there are folks like you in the world, Jerruh can continue to be serenaded by the siren sound of his voice echoing off his colon.
by steelyeyedmissle on Feb 7, 2009 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
+2
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 7, 2009 6:53 PM CST up reply actions
Only because this once proud franchise has become a worn out sitcom. If it weren’t for all the bad press, there would be no reason to follow it. I’ve been boys fan for over 40 years. I’ve lost the passion and interest. You have to wear rose colored glasses to believe the management of this team will deliver a Super Bowl.
by steelyeyedmissle on Feb 7, 2009 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
im sure there are other teams you can root for steeleyeyed. By the way the last time i checked the management doesn't play the games the players do. And i'd gladly take our talent over just about anyone elses.
BTW vegas agrees with me we are right behind the Pats as Superbowl favorites, right now.
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
Nuff said
I’ve been boys fan for over 40 years. I’ve lost the passion and interest
Yet here you are, commenting on a Cowboys blog. Hmmm?
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
nice point
it is a bit hypocritical
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 7, 2009 6:54 PM CST up reply actions
Jerry Jones isn't going anywhere....
either live with it or buy a different team’s jersey. I am stuck with the Cowboys…and whatever anyone thinks of JJ…..I happen to think they can and will be better….But then, maybe it’s too much sun.
Most of us are stuck
Real fans don’t buy a different team’s jersey. I also agree that Jerry can do better. But he’s a man in denial. Just the other day he effectively said there weren’t any locker room problems.
http://dcfanatic.com/files/1/3/2/0/2/128698-120231/jerry_notbuyinglockerroomproblems.mp3
If he doesn’t even think there is a problem, then how is he going to get better?
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
Do you agree there is a problem
at head coach? I think that’s all that is being pointed out and JJ doesn;t get a free pass because the unsound decision has been made. I agree it’s harped too much but we will be faced with the same inconsistencies next year we saw last and I hope I am 100% wrong
9-7?
Name another 9-7 team not in the playoffs that gets any press. That’s because they realize they aren’t there yet and are working on improving. All we hear about the ’Boys is we have the talent yada yada yada.
by steelyeyedmissle on Feb 7, 2009 10:21 AM CST reply actions
......
maybe its because Dallas is always in the press?
You’ve been a fan for 40 years and you don’t realize that?
Is this how it's going to be all off season?
Your going to have one faction that continuously talks about the distractions and the hell Dallas is going through.
You have another saying that it’s not the end of the world.
And the two are going to bicker back and forth over it?
Me? I’m indifferent about it.
I don’t think that Dallas will be the worst franchise or that it can’t be turned around.
I also know that there are issues that need to be dealt with, and I happen to think that it’ll take more than a “consultant”. I think that at some point a player/players will have to step up and take some control of the situation as well.
Not saying there isn’t a reason to be pissed, there is.
But all this “I’ve been a fan for 100 years and blah blah blah.” Give me a freaking break. So because you’ve been a fan for a thousand years means you care more about the team than anyone else or because someone has a a different opinion(Even though it’s not unrealistic) they’re wrong?
I don’t want to look up the definition of bandwagon, but I’m pretty positive a few of you are those guys.
You were cool when Dallas was winning superbowls, you hopped off during the 5-11 seasons(even though you say you were around), you jumped back on the last two years and one sign of trouble you’ll be back off again.
So see you again whenever Dallas is on ESPN for winning a Super Bowl, whenever that might be.
Between then you can rant and rave about the good old days, and tell everyone your expertise on football from when you threw 4 TDS in high school Al Bundy style.
I’m using my 40 years of wisdom to address you in a fashion a brat would understand.
by steelyeyedmissle on Feb 7, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
I wasn't making it personal towards him...
But now I’m being called names, so its whatever.
I’m not even an optimist, I’m just not doom and gloom.
Don't let him drag you down
He sounds like a depressed fan who wants everyone to be as miserable as he is.
I bet you he’ll be back on the bandwagon some time around AUG or SEPT.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
+1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 7, 2009 6:55 PM CST up reply actions
btw its bat not brat. and he is absolutely right. This smacks of the people who are bitter about the election and want Obama to fail just for some personal vindication. i am a Cowboys fan that has suffered thru all the BS , who lives and dies by this team
and i chose to have hope for next season.
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
A good thread might discuss....
The attributes of a good HC for the Cowboys. The sitcom in Dallas is sick, but I am not of the opinion that it’s the HC’s fault enirely. Wade Phillips is not a bad football mind. Does he get the support he needs to be successful? I doubt it….Who would you REALISTICLY replace him with? First you have to have a HC that can exist in Dallas. JJ casts a long shadow.
It's not the coach
Jerruh’s long shadow is the problem. The attributes needed are a hearing aid with a volume knob and the balls to use it when Jerruh starts acting like a football guy.
by steelyeyedmissle on Feb 7, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
That HC simply does not exist.....
The HC that can correct errors might exist….Holmgren had a terrible year in Seattle….why? What do the young guys have in common that makes SOME of them, successful?
Here's an idea
We can all share in the same vision Jerruh has. We can change the name of the team to the Dallas Colons. We can replace the Star with a sphincter`. We can rename the Desperados to the Semi Colons. HC will no longer mean head coach, but Head Colon. We’ll of course let Jerruh wear that title.
by steelyeyedmissle on Feb 7, 2009 10:39 AM CST reply actions
Blind Squirrel Syndrome
He hired Jimmy Johnson. He won three SB’s with Jimmy’s team. I’ll rest my argument with the last 12 years as evidence.
by steelyeyedmissle on Feb 7, 2009 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
Not saying he didn't have faults but...
he did hire Jimmy, I mean wasn’t that his money and his decision to hire him?
Socks and jocks
He was still sorting through the laundry and eying Aikman in the shower at the time thinking, wow, I own a football team. After the SB’s he really believed he played a major role in the succes besides just writing checks.
by steelyeyedmissle on Feb 7, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
Current state of team
Sorry. Jerruh has put the team in the toilet. A turd in the punch bowl can’t be turned into a Baby Ruth no matter how dark the rose colored tint of the glasses are.
by steelyeyedmissle on Feb 7, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
I think I am going to back out of this discussion.....
hard to find a place to enjoy on Saturday morning.
Airforce
is one you can’t win with either way. He said in an earlier post he’s indifferent. Does he sound like he’s indifferent? That’s another way of saying he wants to remain neutral and snipe both sides. It’s easier not expressing an opinion, that way you don’t have to defense a stance.
It's called...
Being realistic.
I’m mad at Dallas, but I know that the NFL can have alot of turns.
I know there are locker room issues, but I also know that there can be a turnaround.
The fact that Jerry has hired someone like Bill before to try and right the ship, it’s obvious he is capable of seeking help.
I have never sait there isn’t a reason for concern… EVER. NEVER EVER.
I have also never threw in the towel and said that it can’t be turned around.
So if that is riding the fence, than so be it.
No waste
2009 serves as further evidence that Jerruh doesn’t know how to GM a team. Put enough of these together and even HC will come to realize it.
by steelyeyedmissle on Feb 7, 2009 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
AF
I can’t even imagine your perspective ……why would you think there is no hope for 2009?
AZ
He’s saying he’s not wearing rose-colored glasses, but at the same time, he’s not gloom and doom.
He doesn’t want to be someone posting that thinks 2009 is a wrap already, where there are people stating we’ll go 7-9, we’ll never win, blah blah blah…
Kickers
Sorry but all this bickering makes me want to change the subject.
Cheers to having an awesome punter and an awesome kicker for years to come (knocking on wood).
I wonder if either of them are as disliked at Lechler from the Raiders who got punched in his nose by a reserve DT on the ride back home after week 15’s game.
It's amazing
Someone please share the koolade with me. I just don’t see what in the world could make someone believe that the dysfunctional stench the Cowboys have become is a contender.
by steelyeyedmissle on Feb 7, 2009 11:01 AM CST reply actions
Because...
we just had an awesome draft. Got young studs that can contribute in the future like Felix Jones, Mike Jenkins, Orlando Scandrick, Martellus Bennett.
Because Romo isn’t the perfect QB, but he has potential, we’ve all seen him light up a scoreboard. Did he regress? yea (bad decisions, fumbles). Did he regress b/c of factors outside of his own personal skills? yes (injuries, playcalling, bad o-line play)
Miles Austin is coming on, Roy E could potentially lead the passing attack for the next 5 years. Witten is an All-Pro. Our O-line when healthy can potentially dominate. Players like Deon Anderson play with just as much heart as anyone else in the NFL.
Our kickers are the s*it
Our defense, even with the holes we need to fill, can be very disruptive and very dominant. We have the best LB in football.
I know there are things we need to address, things we need to fix, but I’m excited to see what our staff does this draft to address needs. I’m excited to see which offensive or defensive player can step up and be a leader on AND off the field.
Just because we have hope/reasons to believe in our team doesn’t mean we’re drinking “koolade”. It means I don’t have to sit here and b*tch about things I can’t change. I only hope the right decisions are going to be made, and talk FOOTBALL which is why I read this site everyday.
i agree.....
"Let me tell you sumthin' son ! an ass whippin' hurts no matter what kinda shape your in ! " Stone Cold Steve Austin
+1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 7, 2009 6:58 PM CST up reply actions
I am not one of them......
I expect 2009 to be better….I do not subscribe to the “crazy” theory that has been mentioned here. (Crazy is repeating the event and believing the results will change.) I believe there will be changes. Jerry Jones is not going to be one of them….although some of his behavior MIGHT change…..The Reeves “incident” could be viewed as a change…not a PR failure. Both JJ and Reeves did what their principles demanded….at least that might be viewed as a start.
Have a great day
I guess I’ll trudge away for now heavy laden with my gloom. Wasn’t a certain AZ Senator that said the fundamentals are strong? The foundation is not in player potential, talent or otherwise when it comes to being consistently great. The foundation lies in how an operation is managed. This one is poorly managed and will continue to waste the talents of the above mentioned players. Enjoy your Saturday, folks.
by steelyeyedmissle on Feb 7, 2009 11:15 AM CST reply actions
Sorry to see you go...
I just answered a question as to why I think we can be a contender.
I’m not making any personal attacks, and I apoligize if it came across that way. I’m just as frustrated as the next person at some of the things going on, but I’m not going to burn my jerseys b/c Jerry is GM. He will continue to be, and I will continue to watch the show. I don’t agree with a lot of things within the organization, but I don’t think it’s “rose-colored” to take a positive stance.
PS
if we didn’t have people taking different angles and looking at the team in different perspectives, we wouldn’t have that much to talk about on here, would we?
How can it be personal
Like you said, I don’t even know you. Lighten up. Know when you’re being pimped.
by steelyeyedmissle on Feb 7, 2009 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
Not really frustrated
I make a living analyzing management systems for organizations. In every case, you start with who is benefiting from the dysfunction. Dysfunction is not a disease you catch. It creeps into organizations because someone or a group has a vested interest in maintaining it. The mess the ‘Boys have become isn’t an accident. Jerruh benefits from all dysfunction. It will remain the mill stone that sucks championships out of this organization.
by steelyeyedmissle on Feb 7, 2009 11:23 AM CST reply actions
Yeah and I think back with Aikman,Emmitt,and some of the others
because of their leadership I over-looked Jerry and ignored him. I got really mad at his poor treatment of Landry but I got over it. Without any strong leadership in this locker-room the bright lights are looking in on Jerry and it isn’t very pretty. People can say what they want as to whether it was a good move to bringing in Reeves, but Jerry’s handling of this is despicable. Here again, just like his handling of Landry, Jerry doesn’t understand the tradition behind the Star.
This is the thing....
What are you going to do about it though?
I mean, you don’t have to be an analyst to see that there are management problems.
In the military there is a rank structure. You have a chain of command. You go up it and go down it.
The Dallas Cowboys organization is hurt by the fact that the players have a direct go to the man making the decisions when it comes to it.
The only real thing you can do is not go to the games or not watch them.
And I’m man enough to say… that I just can’t do that.
Unless Bin Ladin buys the team, I’ll probably continue to do it.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Dallas is like that addiction for me.
The good times are never as good as the bad times are as bad.
Hope that didn’t sound stupid.
not stupid at all
I’ve chosen the other route. I won’t buy anything with a Star. I found it hard to break the addiction myself. I’d rather see someone with bin Laden’s management skill than Jones running things.
by steelyeyedmissle on Feb 7, 2009 12:00 PM CST reply actions
Well...
That’s your choice, but if your not a fan anymore than why do you bother coming to message boards that support the team?
Who says he's not a fan anymore?
We’ve had this discussion before. Support can come in a variety ways. As i said the other day, you can support your team against its owner, especially when the owner is detrimental to the team. From this perspective, steelyeye is supporting his team by voicing his concerns about management.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
It's just makes me realize how utterly
clueless Jerry really is. He thinks that he can gloss over everything and everything will be fine. It’s like Sirius said yesterday, “What really good coach would want to come to the Cowboys”? I’m stupid and I will keep watching my boys, but I guess I over-looked a lot of what Jerry did before. What’s really strange to me, is Jerry always seems to defend the wrong ones like Pac Man etc. and screw the really good guys like Landry and Reeves. I don’t get it.
windmills
Any place else would be tilting at windmills. Jones won’t listen to me. The rest of the NFL would agree with me. If I spew(I admit that it is only worthy of being called spew), it might as well be among those that at least react.
by steelyeyedmissle on Feb 7, 2009 12:06 PM CST reply actions
dave33
Don’t get caught agreeing with me. You’ll get branded with the scarlet T.
by steelyeyedmissle on Feb 7, 2009 12:17 PM CST reply actions
I think it might be too late, I've already been branded and called out
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
you guys keep railing against the only thing that cannot change and repeating the Einstein line about repeating the same actions hoping for different results?!
Jerry owns the team he is the leader this will not change you can constantly badmouth him and foist your negativity on AFb and others or you can get over it and hope for the best. Some people enjoy their misery, They are called masochists. You guys keep holding on to all that negativity and let me know how that works out for you guys.
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
I think
what you are forgetting is the control JJ gave up at one time when he hired Parcells and the control he didn’t possess when he hired Johnson. That gives the so-called negative hope that that type of decision can and will be made again. If fans didn’t care about what happened with the Cowboys Parcells would have never been hired.
Hoping for the best in a situation that obviously needs change(as was admitted when they tried and failed to hire Reeves) and accepting the dysfunction is what a fan does that really doesn’t care.
I agree with that.
But… its probably not going to happen this year, so you might as well deal with it, is what Royce is saying.
So in order to deal with it
is you don’t talk about what you can’t control, right?
parity
Sorry that I am off topic but I’m really tired of parity around the NFL. I wouldn’t mind the Cowboys dominating again, the good ole days. You had great championship games with the niners or packers, dominant teams making the super bowl, and Cowboy Super Bowl victories. I must admit I was spoiled.
Now you have 10-6 Giants winning the Super Bowl and a 9-7 Arizona team losing one. Take be back to the 92 13-3 Super Bowl winning Dallas Cowboys!
by beautifultyrant on Feb 7, 2009 12:34 PM CST reply actions
Well as much parity...
As there is in the NFL, you did have the Patriots who won 3 super bowls in 5 years.
Which is the result of parity
I don’t want to take anything away from the Pats, but they never dominated teams when they were winning super bowls. They just beat teams with great coaching, good role players, and mental toughness. That is what parity has brought to the game. Now you have to win in all phases.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
The days of buying a great team...
And picking anyone of 500 coaches to coach them are over.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
Blackouts
Jerruh World is so big and Cowboy nation is less than happy right now. Who wants to take odds on there being blacked out Cowboy games next year? That might get his attention.
by steelyeyedmissle on Feb 7, 2009 12:35 PM CST reply actions
Already a huge string of threads on this... and...
It won’t happen.
At least not this year. I’m going to tell you straight up, that there are people who don’t even like the Dallas Cowboys that want to go this year just to see the stadium.
I’ve heard numerous people tell me this.
Maybe one day, but not this year.
0-2 start
Let the current state of affairs metastasize into an 0-2 start and see how many folks are willing to shell out a couple of Franklins per person for the honor of seeing Jerry World
by steelyeyedmissle on Feb 7, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
True,
but according to Pro Football Talk with this economy Jerry may have some problems to work out like finding a sponsor etc. Not being negative, just realistic. At some point if this economy keeps going down, people will be forced to not attend his games. I mean look at the Pro Bowl-first time since 82 that it is not sold out. They may have a black-out unless something has changed since I heard last night.
look, I think this is a real possibility
If you criticize the management on this blog, you tend to get shouted down pretty quickly, which makes me think that point of view is underrepresented here. But if you look at fan reactions on other blogs, Cowboys fans seem generally unhappy with JJ and Wade. I certainly think that could translate into blackouts.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
I don't agree about the blog responses to critizing management
I think it’s fairly equal. I think you get shouted down when you start making statements about how bleak the outlook for the future is. I think you could probably slam Jerry Jones all day long and not get much disagreement. It just depends on how you frame it.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
So its a framing issue
to take the argument to its logical next step; that because Jerry Jones is a bad GM, the immediate future doesn’t look bright? I really don’t know what to say about that response. I guess I supposed to partition my thinking into what I am allowed to criticize and what I am not allowed to criticize. The only way the outlook isn’t bleak is if Jerry Jones has no effect on the team. Here’s what he said the other day:
“I don’t buy the locker room severity issue that you talk about. I think that comes with the territory when you don’t win.”
Hard to not see a bleak future when the guy in charge doesn’t seem to think there is a problem to fix.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
+1
JJ doesn’t get a free pass because the argument has been proven. Stay on him
Well, that's up to debate
1) Jerry is not going to admit publicly to any problems in the locker room. Even if he knows what is going on and is trying to fix things, he’ll still say everything is fine. I don’t really pay attention to the stuff he says.
2) He’s not all bad as a GM. Look at some of the talent he’s stock piled.
3) He just needs to let the coaches do their jobs without interference.
Taken as a whole, that doesn’t equal a bleak future. Remember this team was 13-3 and top seed in the NFC just one season ago. There is no reason to think they cannot repeat that type of season, they certainly could. Therefore how can you objectively have a bleak outlook for the future. Subjectively? Sure you can.
Now criticize away, just don’t tell me I’m supposed to agree with your choice to view the future of the Cowboys as gloom and doom.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
Not out of the question
Everybody from the ball boy to even Jerruh realizes there are foundational cracks. (We just don’t agree on what the real cause is.) The realization fell like only 44-6 thud can fall. That was over a month ago. The only real change since then is a memo telling employees not to talk to the press. Boss Hawg will be cranking every bit of snake oil he has to get folks to forget that and the fact he really hasn’t changed anything. But, it all goes back to whether an organization is well run or not. This one is not and an 0-2 start is not like discussing the possibility of pig flying.
by steelyeyedmissle on Feb 7, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
Now Roy Williams(safety)
is talking to the media according to DMN blog.
My fear is that
Wade has already lost control of this locker-room and so can he remain head coach? I have my doubts.
Reeves
Do you think that letting Reeves go was actually a good thing? What was he really going to do?
Jones needs to give Wade more authority to challenge players and coaches. That’s when you’ll see a difference. The question is does Wade have it in him to challenge players and coaches?
I didn't really see Reeves being a huge addition
Besides making a change for change sake. If Jerry was giving Reeves authority, he should have given that to Wade in the first place. If Reeves wouldn’t have had authority, then I believe there would have been too many cooks in the kitchen.
I agree
but how Jerry treated Reeves is just wrong. You don’t insult someone with 30 years of coaching experience like that. I mean you are paying millions of dollars out to athletes and you are going to balk about some little clause? Give me a break.
The way I read it
was it was something put in to writing that was never put in to a contract before. Something that was just “understood” in these situations. I think it was more of an insult to Reeves so I guess you could call it a pride thing. Reeves is a good coach, I don’t think he needed it put in to writing that he wasn’t getting a 9-5 job.
I thought it was vice versa...
I thought it was wanting a certain amount of hours for his money.. eh what do I know.
Let me see if I can explain this
according to my husband, who is not a big football fan, when you have 30 years of experience, whether it is football or whatever, when you are questioned about the time element it is an insult to your integrity. It is assumed with a certain level of seniority ,that you will do what is needed to finish the job. Remember, you are talking about a man that has been a head coach at Denver,NY, and Atlanta plus he was an offensive coordinator/player for the Cowboys for many years. Unfortunately, I think it’s a power play with Jerry because if you really believed in Reeves why wouldn’t you take the clause out? Does this long-winded explanation make sense?
Yes it does and you pretty much nailed my interpretation
of the events surrounding it. Or your husband did..lol.
+ Reeves doesn't really need the money
so it’s not like he’s desperate for a job. He truly wants to help this organization. When I read that he said that when he walked into the doors of Valley Ranch and saw the helmet when the star on it, he greatly touched him. It brought back so many memories to him to see all the pictures on the wall. He truly wants to help this organization win plus he truly wants to help Wade be successful. Reeves is a very high character man but he won’t take garbage off people. He has very high principles. In fact when I read Tom Landry’s book, he calls Reeves an offensive genius. It’s too bad it didn’t work out because Garrett could have really benefitted from his help.
Amen
Only thing that worries me about him is his heart, literally. He had a triple or quadruple bypass back when he was coaching the Falcons. I’d hate to see him get in to a full time job with all the stress and worry again. Maybe that’s why he was aiming for a consultant job instead of a coordinator?
Me too
the part that really upsets me with Jerry, is he could have had a job with S.F. but he turned it down to come to Dallas. Right there, it proves his loyalty to the Cowboys IMO. Now, Reeves lost out on another opportunity. I remember when I was a kid watching Reeves play for the Cowboys and he actually came up with the halfback pass. I don’t know if he came up with the play, but he was able to use it pretty effectively at that time when no-one else was using it. Together, he and Landry brought the shot-gun into the NFL when no-one was using it. So see, he has some wonderful abilities.
Yeah I understand what you mean
but even all the guys on Sirius are saying the same thing and they are very reputable. I don’t put them in the same category as ESPN etc.
I don't know how much Reeves would have helped
but I would never question his work ethic. I know that if I was contracted to do a job, it would get finished. Whether it took two hours or ten thousand. I would imagine coaches and consultants in the NFL are the same way. They aren’t factory workers. They don’t punch out at 5:00 when the shift is over. They go home when work for the day is done. If I’m understanding the story correctly, then yes, I think Jerry was wrong.
But if you're Reeves and you really want to help the organisation
and you are going to work the hours anyway, why not just sign the contract? If he really wantedto help the team he would have, but he let his ego gwt in the way.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 7, 2009 8:36 PM CST up reply actions
true, but there's probably
something attached to the hourly clause as well. It’s not just guaranteed hours etc. That’s too simple IMO.
Plus, I know from myself
that I’m a pretty trustworthy person in business for myself, if someone actually quesitons my trustworthiness it upsets me. Make sense?
off subject but Jason Cole
with yahoosports.com is now saying that several players in Hawaii are saying that Jerry has been having secret meetings at his house about T.O. to see if they can remedy the problems? Have you ever heard anything like this? I mean, where’s Wade on this ? I don’t know is this guy reputable?
I understnad what youre saying
but I think that if ti was a player putting his ego before the team, he would get criticised. If Reeves is that kind of person, I dont know if i really want him working for the Cowboys at all.
That beig said, there might have been something in the contract aswell as the hours clause that upset Reeves. Nobody really knows i guess.
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 7, 2009 9:34 PM CST up reply actions
*understand
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 7, 2009 9:35 PM CST up reply actions
I just listened to an interview that he had with
Galloway on Thurs. You can access it thru ESPN. I don’t think it’s ego driven for him. He really wanted to help Wade because he’s a close friend. He was actually offered the SF job, but because Jerry called him while he was out in SF, he turned the job down.
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