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by Dave Halprin on Feb 8, 2009 10:03 AM CST
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PrintWhat's up with the ‘Boys you ask? Why, it's another playing talking to the press. This time it's RW1 and while we won't be able to hear the whole interview until a little later today, the DMN sums it up this way.
*Williams believes he's a better fit for a 4-3 scheme than a 3-4, which happens to be what the Cowboys use.
*Williams thinks the Cowboys miss the firm hand of Bill Parcells.
*He's willing to move to linebacker if that's what the Cowboys want him to do.
Well, if he wants to go to a 4-3 team, I say accommodate that request. But here's the kicker.
*Williams thinks too many Cowboys talk too much.
Really, aren't you talking, too? But at least he's talking mainly about himself...
*He believes that T.O. creates distractions by consistently being in the middle of controversies.
Oops, so much for the self-analysis. Can't wait to hear the full report and see if these bullet-point teasers really match his words.
Meanwhile, from a couple of days ago we got this report from Jason Cole at Yahoo Sports.
According to two sources here where the Pro Bowl players and coaches are staying, Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones has had some veteran players come to his home in recent days to discuss how the team can work out problems with Owens. Jones is hopeful he can manage the situation with Owens and repair the troubled relationship the wide receiver has with numerous teammates, including quarterback Tony Romo.
Sources say that among the issues players are having with Owens is his refusal to talk to other players on offense and acknowledge them in the huddle, in the locker room or at other team functions.
Hmm, I'd sure like to know if this is actually happening and just who the players are that Jerry is talking to. More from the 'source.'
"I really believe that Jerry is going to get the message from people that Owens just can't work there," one of the sources said. "It's just a bad, bad situation."
An article in The National Football Post has suggestions for passing the slow month of February for NFL fans. Things like research the draft or start a new Madden football league. Then there's this:
7. Read about the Cowboys
Forget reality shows (unless they concern T.O.) because MTV can't give you the action that comes out of Valley Ranch every day. If you're thinking about watching "The Real Housewives of Orange County" or "The Hills" - don't. Just Google "Dallas Cowboys" on the Internet search bar and enjoy story after story on your desktop that will last all day long. Gotta love them ‘Boys!
8. Make a rap video and post it on YouTube
Sorry, that should go under No. 7. My bad.
We know we rule and everybody else is just jealous!
The Pro Bowl is later today and the versatile Rat talks football.
Everybody in Bob Hayes' family is getting along now for the sake of his memory.
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First!!!
ugh… I’m really starting to doubt TO is sticking around for next year
Also, I hear Michael Huff will be released from the Raiders?! I’d give him a shot and drop Patty Watkins if the price is right…
I'd drop Watkins
for a baloney sandwich
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 8, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
Why?
he is relatively cheap, he is a relatively good backup, and is a good special teamer. I don’t really see the point in getting rid of him.
He is a terrible backup
and took a boatload of penalties on special teams. I’d rather have someone with more upside.
For just ST play, he is probably okay, but if our depth is going to improve, we need better players. It’s not a big deal though – Watkins is not exactly a deal breaker either way.
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 8, 2009 10:35 AM CST up reply actions
I think last year was an aberration in regards to the penalties
he also had an injury problem last season
I just hope someone better comes along
but that could be said for lots of players/backups. I have a soft spot for Bullets though.
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 8, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
Watkins will be entering his 4th season
when is he going to begin covering somebody?
That’s too long for a career backup. He’s not going to push for a starting spot.
Well we are not going to drop him just for the sake of dropping him
someone is going to have to beat him out in TC.
And he isn’t that bad in coverage.
He's terrible in coverage, Quincyyyy
the man blows assignments every single game.
He’s a stupid football player.
You may be right that he’s around
because there’s nobody else to replace him, but that’s just
luck on Watkins’ part.
Which brings me back to point A
that if Michael Huff wasn’t going to be breaking the bank, I’d like to bring him in to compete…
I don't think I agree with that assessment
he is not great in coverage but he is not terrible either.
His neck injury is pretty serious..
from what I can recall. And it’s not like it’s an unavoidable injury again by the way he tackles… it’s just not good form… I’m all for using Pacman’s roster spot for Michael Huff instead, I just liked the guy coming out of college, and I can’t believe he isn’t successful thus far into his career
He's pretty bad dude...
I don’t know if there is any upside to keeping him.
He isn’t a project player anymore, and he’s a good special teams player but not great.
He led the team in Special teams tackles in '07
if my memory is correct, but he got injured last year
I liked Watkins too, but after 3 seasons
where is the progress? If the neck injury is serious enough to put him on the sidelines, can he be relied upon next season to be the backup FS/SS and good ST player?
Time for a rookie to replace him. That’s how you can free up cap money.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
Watkins can't count that much against the cap
he was like a 5th rounder. But if a rookie could beat him out that would be great, but it won’t be as easy as you guys make it out to be. Watkins isn’t trash.
Not saying he's trash
Just that his spot is a good area for a talented rookie to make an impact. His cap cost in 2008 was $ 496,410 according to USA Today.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
+1 Raf....he's on my list of cuts for sure....
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 8, 2009 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
There's a simple game I play
what 3rd year players show no sign of making a push for a starting job,
or showed they were not up to snuff when they did?
Watkins
Courtney Brown
Carpenter
Proctor
McQuistan
What have you got?
Two Ss
One ILB
Two OL
And you notice that’s where my mocks look. And it isn’t as if the team hasn’t been weak at S and OL depth for, what, six, seven years?
Carp, Proctor, McQ and Watkins are 4th year players
Brown is a 3rd year player.
And unless we trade Carp he is not going anywhere. We are so thin at ILB, and to be honest he is decent enough to be a backup.
semantic nit picking
they have 3 years of experience.
I think Brown should get one more year, but agree all the rest were given enough time to prove themselves...and all failed....cut 'em all i say...
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 8, 2009 7:06 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, they just robbed da king for six-digits worth for each of those years -- ha-ha-ha!!!
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
yea
he’s not a good back-up. i had hopes he would be, but with his neck injury and bad form tackling, we must cut our losses here…
Watkins Good Special Teamer?
Hardly; Dallas has few, if any, such players on its roster. This explains why Cowboy special teams are among the worst in the league.
he's a weak, frail, non-tackling twig. he needs to spend more time in the weight room.
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
I'd give Huff a try as well.
How many players have come out of Oakland and turned out pretty good? Quite a few actually. Speaking of Watkins, I can’t get the 12th man on the field vs. Skins that started our ugly downward spiral. He did something else in that game that I forgot.
yeah, and huff is a much better tackler than weak-tkins.
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
when he played at UT
he made ypu pay if you caught a pass over the middle. Kind of like Roy “USED TO DO”
so true, texstar. but i also saw some hits wearing the silver and black.
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
I didn't really ever get to see him in silver and black
but I know he had a bad year last year. However, the year before he did really well. I don’t think you can just write off a player when you have to consider he played on a really bad team. I mean, look at Shaun Rogers. When he was with the Lions, everyone really put him down because of his weight. Now, everyone talks about what a beast he is.
TO is gone....it's going to happen...it's just a matter of when.
Too much BS surrounding him. He has to go in order for the team to move forward
when = after the 2010 season....more like it..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 8, 2009 11:02 PM CST up reply actions
i hope you're right.
i’d like to see what this offense would look like with RW2 being with Dallas for an entire TC, improvement to the O-line, the new three-headed RB attack, a fully healthy Miles Austin, and TO/Witten/Romo returning.
Red Ball needs to step it up in 2009. Be more imaginative. Make better in-game adjustments. Be more deceptive.
Point blank.
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
What
would be the difference in safety play from a 4:3?
I had understood it was pretty much a plug and play deal between 4:3 and 3:4…
It's not a big difference
Whether you play a 3-4, a 4-3, or a 5-2, the safeties responsibilies mostly stay the same. Think about it….
If a cover 2 or cover 3 zone is called in either scheme, the safeties cover the exact same areas disregarding who is in front of them (linebacker wise). If it’s a 3-4 or a 4-3 man coverage, it will still eventually put the safety man to man on a running back or a TE… Obviously its more complex than that… but it’s not like switching from a Tackle to the Center
No real difference, secondary play is pretty much the same in both defenses
Sounds like an excuse more than anything.
by Dave Halprin on Feb 8, 2009 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
Have you ever heard anyone described
as a “great 3-4 safety”? No. Only Roy would make such a distinction.
Roy is so soft, weak and shellshocked that he externalizes everything now. He has never shown much willingness to take any blame whatsoever.
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 8, 2009 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
+1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 10, 2009 12:14 AM CST up reply actions
co-sign
when is RW1’s excuses ever gonna run out?!?!
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
Roy is just trying to blame his problems on something and someone
And 3-4 and TO are his culprits.
From what I understand, Marion, RW2, and Crayton like TO. They’re probably many more. Marion and Crayton were chiling with TO in Las Vegas recently.
Anyone else get a little nervouse
about MBIII hanging with Crayton and Owens?
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 8, 2009 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
nervous
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 8, 2009 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
He is quiet, if you keep Werder off his grill..You heard maybe 2 interviews in the past year...and 12 months of fabricated, regurgitated nonsense from the media since..
he just wants to go out on the field and do his job.
nobody works harder than TO..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 8, 2009 7:09 PM CST up reply actions
I can't find the link
But I remember when Parcells asked Jim Johnson about TO. Johnson said that “no one works harder.”
by ym on Feb 8, 2009 7:18 PM CST up reply actions
Are you serious?
Look I’m a TO fan, but he is NOT quiet compared to the other WR’s in the NFL.
How many sit down interviews with Deion Sanders and Michael Irvin has Larry Fitzgerald done lately?
I’m not saying he’s not a hard worker, but he isn’t quiet.
The media does embelish, but its not like they spun a wheel and decided one day that he was the guy they were going to attack.
here's my point...
decided one day that he was the guy they were going to attack
without the media sharks baiting him on a daily basis…you would not hear a peep from TO…..He went on to interview with Prime and Play cuz he felt obligated to spread the real story, and not the dog crap coming out of the mouths or pens of these hack journalist in todays society……Was he wrong for saying he wasn’t being used properly ? and that Garrett’s scheme doesn’t utilize his talents to better serve the team? Did he feel compelled to right the media’s misrepresentation of his true beliefs ? That he basically had to represent himself against the hatred of these whore monger sell out journalist ?
Simple…IF Jerry Jones and or Wade Phillips made it policy for his players to not speak with the media…This would be a more harmonious situation for everyone…But for any of you to hate a guy because he was interviewed more than the next guy, and you may not like what he said is rediculous in my opinion…Do I think TO should refrain altogether from speaking with the media ??..You bet your ass I do….I think it would put the media in their place, drive them nuts, and they would have nothing to talk about…Will TO refrain from talking ?? Time will tell ….Haven’t heard a peep out of him in months..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 8, 2009 11:17 PM CST up reply actions
And the funny thing is
that when Ware said that TO’s not a distraction, people were saying that no player is going to call out another player personally.
Instead of saying “TO has to go,” we should be saying Roy has to go.
Roy has the worst contract on the team
I remember being at Oxnard the day he was re-signed. The tag was
“Cowboy for life.”
Jerry is carrying that deal around his neck like a dead chicken.
Roy's Contract Is Not The Only Dead Chicken
Flo, TO, even Roy uno uno are among many bad contracts.
Flo...
Isn’t that bad.
He played an entire month with a bad wing, and had to help out with Cory Proctor… worst guard of all time.
The only play I watched from the Pro Bowl...
was Mathis (?) running right past Flo and getting a strip sack…pretty much sums it up. I turned it back to the Cavs-Lakers game after that…
by AikmanNailedMySis on Feb 9, 2009 8:35 AM CST up reply actions
Freeney was the guy that made Flo look terrible
Or I should say it was Freeney who exposed how old and slow Flo is. If you had seen the play before that, you could have seen Flo make a false start.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
Throw Newman in that group
giving a 30 year old CB that is showing signs of being injury prone a contract like that…It’s going to turn into another RW1 deal if he keeps breaking down. They should’ve franchised him before giving him a new deal
Rolling eyes
He’s the best CB on the team, the best DB on the team, one of the guys Dallas will need to make it to the promise land.
Forget the injury prone stuff, he’s had a couple freak injuries the last 2 seasons (and still managed to play through them in 2007 and make the ProBowl), not anything to be that concerned about.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
+1
"Ask Philly was it hard tryin' a stop TO, he da main reason that the fans would come fo'."
by aussie_cowboy on Feb 10, 2009 12:17 AM CST up reply actions
Grizz you said the secret word
AAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
The Report Says Owens
refuses “to talk to other players on offense”, yet he’s hanging out with MBIII and Crayton. I guess they’re using sign language to communicate, or texting each other all the time?
Something here just sounds fishy. Maybe Owens is the cancer the rumors are making him out to be, but why have all the “Owens is the cancer” stories suddenly appearing in the last month? He was basically on his best behavior in public this season, despite being constantly baited by Ed Werder. The fact that the season ended in disaster and several people, including coaches, found themselves on a hot seat, might have something to do with it. Whether he’s guilty as he’s portrayed, he’s certainly a convenient target for those trying to find scapegoats and consolidate their political power.
I know the article didn't say he didn't talked to every offensive player
The Report Says Owens refuses "to talk to other players on offense", yet he’s hanging out with MBIII and Crayton. I guess they’re using sign language to communicate, or texting each other all the time?
He probably just doesn’t talk to some offensive players, at least that is what I gathered after reading it.
Guess It Depends on How You Read it
Looking more closely, the article isn’t completely clear. You could be right. Usually, when someone says a person won’t talk to the other offensive players, that means everybody. Other = remainder. But actually the article doesn’t say “the other players”, like I originally thought, it says “other players”. Maybe it just means some other players.
I know TO has ripped at Gurode on the sidelines..more likely out of frustration with the poor snaps and blocking....
Of course Romo yells at the same o linemen all the time…it’s part of the game..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 8, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
Gurode didn't pick up that fumble
The ball was lying on the ground for about 1 – 2 seconds, and he was right next to it. I was upset at Gurode, too. He deserved that.
by ym on Feb 8, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
Look...
I know Owens probably gets more blame than deserved sometimes, but I can’t feel sorry for the guy.
He is his own worst enemy.
I've swung from being in favor of T.O. to being agnostic to now wanting him to go
I’ve long wondered how much of the press reports were just intra-locker room politics that should never be aired in public.
But if this story has any juice, and Jerry is inviting players to sit down with him and discuss this, then T.O. is on thin ice.
Because there’s no stronger advocate for T.O. in that organization than Jerry. And if it’s come to this then Ed Werder’s piece fingering Stephen Jones as being opposed to T.O is just the tip of the iceberg. It goes beyond Jason Garrett as well. Jerry is in damage control.
I was a strong advocate of keeping TO as well...
in the past. Then for a while, I sat on the fence. With everything that is coming out, I’m leaning towards just cutting our losses… I love the player, and he’s a game-changer, but it really makes me wonder what kind of impact he is having on other players and staff.
Jerry Wants To Be Henry Kissenger
Sound like Jerry is in his element; negotiating and preening among the malcontents, trying to forge a unit out of disparate parts. Hasn’t worked so far, and it is unlikely to ever work to the level necessary to challenge for a championship. TO is impossible to integrate into a true team. TO has to have enemies; Romo and Witten are the victims.’
Yep
TO has got to go. Just the fact that he is generating this much buzz on the board is a clear indication that he is too much of a distraction.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
I have no doubt TO will be gone...
He has to go. That’s the only way this media circus will settle down.
Haha
does anyone find it ironic that we have heard both Roy Williams’s and Bradie James now talking to the media about too many players.. talking.. to the media…
I don't remember James ripping other players
before he said that.
But Roy the WR just got done ripping the entire team and coaching staff before he said “it’s time to stop talking and just play football”
I think Roy the SS would be just as happy to leave Dallas and get a new start with another team at this point.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
He wasn't ripping anyone
but I’m looking for the link… I’m pretty sure he mentions too many players talking to the media as a problem… while talking to the media.. but I also believe you are right in the fact that his talk was more positive than the bashing that both Roy’s had in theirs
Maybe
they mean players talking to the press anonymously.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
I'm Not Raf
But why wouldn’t they keep him? From what I saw, he was a good special teamer and played decently when called on (I’m thinking in particular of the Tampa Bay game).
He might stick
He’s played two years. Watkins, Carpenter, Proctor, McQuistan, those guys have all played three.
And Ball was effective when he played last year. He’s cheap and he’s improving. I agree with kindablue. That’s the type of player you root for. Every year it seems one guy in year three has the light go on. In ’06 it was Bradie James. Last year, it was Miles Austin. This year it could be Ball.
And the bar is not that high. The team doesn’t need him to become Mel Renfro Jr. It he became Kenny Gant Jr. he would help this team.
Carpenter....
To me is the biggest enigma.
This has to be his last shot I’d think, and it’s probably only because he is a first round draft pick.
Well he was a CB converted to a Safety right?
I knew they were making that positional transition because the kid has potential, but with all the injuries we had a Safety (Hamlin missing practice every day for the last month, Roy Willy’s broken arm, Keith Davis’s knee, Watkins neck put him on IR) it didn’t seem like Ball got extended time.
With all of that mess happening in the Safety position, I would think if he was worth keeping around, we would have seen the kid more.. ya know?
Are You Thinking of Courtney Brown?
I thought Ball was at CB the whole time.
If you were talking about Brown, I agree with you. He was supposedly a playmaker who never made any plays while he was playing safety, and wasn’t much of a special teamer, from what I remember. Just going from memory, and no film study on my part, of course.
I think because he is a CB playing at safety
I don’t know why they just don’t move him back to CB, that is his natural position
Vick: "I pick the rottweiler!"
Pacman: “I got the pit bull!”
by Realist Larry on Feb 8, 2009 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
I thought Courtney Brown and Alan Ball were both drafted as CB's
but Brown got cut and Ball got converted to a Safety? maybe?
Brown didn't get cut
I think there was a log jam at CB so they moved him to safety and because of his size. But he is not an aggressive tackler. That is the problem.
No, Ball was either cut and joined the PS in '07 or was on IR
He made the team when the Cowboys cut Oglesby.
Brown was moved in S in San Antonio. He got a lot of camp reps this year and
the coaches said it would come down to his tackling ability. They seemed
more comfortable playing an injured Watkins, a gimpy Keith Davis and a fresh
off the waiver wire Tra Battle over Brown.
What does that tell you?
They play him at safety because they say he has no speed burst
good CBs accelerate FAST, he can go fast but he takes all 40 yards to gain speed
by AustonianAggie on Feb 9, 2009 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
Brown gets another year, like you had mentioned, he's probably one of the best athletes on the team...
just hasn’t translated yet in his one full season after the switch….He must step it up for sure though this training camp, lucky for him, he doesn’t have too much competition going into camp….I would keep him over Watkins though….Watkins has hit his ceiling, and i’m not liking the view from up there…
I've never been a part of the "Cut Roy" crowd, but....
…..it really looks like it’s time to move on. He sounds like a person who simply doesn’t want to be here anymore, and that’s a shame (was hoping he’d turn it around in 2008).
Come and whisper in my ear, give us dirty laundry - ESPN
It's so hard to trade these guys with the salary cap, it's too bad.
It’d be nice if some team would give us a 4th rounder or anything, he would restructure his contract, and everyone could move on.
Doesn’t happen much in the NFL.
Since we’re stuck w/him anyways (asuming no one better is coming) I’d keep him, tell him he’s likely to be a backup to some rookie, and a special teamer, and that he can either whine and quit giving effort, or play with fire. And that the team will need him at some point, either to come in at safety, or maybe to even win a game with a big play on sp. teams. If DWoodson could play sp. teams, so can RW.
Yeah but Larry...
Would you give a 4th rounder for him.. even if his contract was low?
You can still get damned good players in the 4th round.
If I Was a GM
Roy Williams would have zero trade value, I wouldn’t part with a seventh rounder for him.
His best years are behind him. He can’t tackle. He can’t cover. He complains, makes excuses and has zero leadership value. He’ll turn 29 before the start of the season. There’s a chance if I keep that seventh rounder I can hit on a Jason Ferguson, Jay Ratliff or Matt Cassel. Any smart GM would let someone else take a chance.
Sadly...
I have to agree with you.
He doesn’t play special teams, he doesn’t play nickel or dime, AND everyone in the league attacks him when he’s on the field. He has little to no value.
he wouldn't
crack the Redskins’ starting line up, or the Eagles’. He could maybe start for the Giants.
No, but someone might. He's not too old, like these guys who are 35 and free agents.
Trades rarely happen in the NFL, was my point.
And while most teams wouldn’t, maybe one team would, to take a shot, if he could take a pay cut. But the salary cap doesn’t allow that in cases like this.
by Realist Larry on Feb 8, 2009 11:16 PM CST up reply actions
I actually think he'd make a decent weak side LB in a 4-3 ...
taaaahh…I just want him gone…
well he still needs to tackle with fundementally better technique
thats the worst part of Roy, he doesn’t execute the basics of football
by AustonianAggie on Feb 9, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
A few thoughts
Why is Jerry Jones meeting with some of the players to see if TO should stay or go? How wrong is this? Let’s count:
- Players should not be involved in personnel decisions. The inmates are running the asylum. If you are going to get the input of one player, a real leader, then you do it on the QT and never let the press get a hold of it.
- If you are going to meet with that one player who is a leader….shouldn’t the head coach be having that meeting, not the GM?
- After three seasons in Dallas, you mean to tell me that the coach and general manager STILL can’t figure out the correct personnel decision regarding TO without help? Aaarrugh.
- Romo was probably forced to miss an A-list party in LA to fly back and meet with Jerry. Scandalous! Romo should not have to pay attention to football matters in the off-season! (Sorry, couldn’t resist that one)
This is truly a circus. Long-time readers of this blog know that I have been an ardent supporter of Jerry Jones. However, his continued foray into the coaching realm causes me great concern. He simply undermines his head coach at every turn. The management of this team is so very screwed up. I simply don’t see this collection of players, coaches and owners jelling into a team anytime soon. That means the 12-year playoff drought continues….
by Cowboy Louie on Feb 9, 2009 12:55 PM CST reply actions
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