Roy Williams and Tony Romo interviews
Yesterday, we discussed Roy Williams the safety and his comments about not wanting to be in a 3-4 and maybe a little T.O.-bashing. We only had the bullet points then but the interview ran last night. Thanks to the DMN blog and Timmy Mac, we have some transcribed quotes.
"I'm not playing the position I played in my first three years when Mike Zimmer was here and we ran a 4-3. OK? I got used in the defense. I don't make excuses. I don't need to make excuses. But just take my first three years and my last four years and see the difference in where I'm lined up. Yes, I'm better in a 4-3 scheme than in a 3-4 because it's gap sound."
My first reaction to this is nobody runs a defense in the NFL that isn't gap sound. That's about execution, not design. Wade Phillips' 3-4 defense isn't designed to be gap un-sound. Sure, it's a more aggressive scheme, but players still have gap responsibilities. My second reaction was why am I even debating that fact? When a safety says they can only operate in a 4-3, not a 3-4, we've gone over the ledge.
I want to like RW1, at one time I really liked his play. He's never been great in coverage, he's never had the instincts needed for that and has been noted many times the guy has stiff hips; he just can't get turned quickly enough. But he made up for it with intimidating, bone-crunching hits that caused fumbles, or caused alligator-arms or basically fired up the whole team. Sadly, those days seem to be long gone, I haven't seen that kind of play in a few years. The best I can say now is he does support the run pretty well - most of the time.
There's a litany of theories on why Roy's play has dropped off precipitously. From the rational - he needs someone like Darren Woodson to play next to. To the romantic - he was never the same after Kelly Rowland left. To the religious - his faith has replaced football in priorities. To the cynical - he was never that good to start with. To the infamous - with his horse-tackling days over, he's over. To his own theory - he's a 4-3 guy.
You know what, I agree, you're a 4-3 guy and we should make an effort to get you to a 4-3 team. I'm not hatin' on ya RW1, I'm just at the point that if you don't think you can excel with this team, then you should be somewhere else.
Here's Roy on T.O. - the other buzz point from yesterday.
"When you do those things, you create distractions. We have younger players on the team that are like, 'Man, I feel Terrell. Maybe I should be saying and doing the same thing.' That's just a trickle-down effect. And I feel at times that can hurt and that's not being a good example, because we do have a lot of young players that look up to him. But it's not always good to have your name in the midst of situations.
"I mean, I love the guy. I see you over there looking at me, like, 'You're lying,' something. But I'm just being real. I really do. He is a great guy."
Here's RW1 giving another interview where he says similar things.
Hat tip DC Fanatic
BTW, if you haven't read GloryDayz88's post on RW1, you should.
Make the jump to read about Tony Romo's interview.
There was another interview last night, this one with Tony Romo by Babe Laufenberg. CBS 11 TV sent me an email about it, so here's the link. I thought Romo was kind of subdued in the interview. He doesn't appear as whimsical as we've seen him in past interviews. Gone is the "golly-gee, this is just a great ride I can't believe I'm here" attitude. It seems to have been replaced by a more sober, "wisdom through experience" take on life and the game.
Or maybe he was just tired.
Anyway, of course he was asked about T.O. coming back and he said everybody wants everybody back. Kind of a cop out answer, but the smart answer. No need to dump gasoline on a few embers. The T.O. story will play itself out over the next few weeks; Tony took the diplomatic approach which is good. Although by not coming out 100% enthusiastically for his return, a "Heck yeah I want him back, why wouldn't I, he's a great receiver" answer, I think it's safe to say their relationship has changed. Not necessarily unworkable, but not as tight as it once was, just my opinion.
Romo did talk a lot about the team having a different mindset this year, they will be stricter about their work and all of that stuff. Good to hear but basically worthless to fans until we see it in action. Still, he was saying a lot of things that I wanted to hear.
But there was an interesting exchange about leadership. Timmy Mac made the effort to transcribe it, it's pretty long so just go over there and read it. In short, Romo was not buying the "emotional leader" scenario, he thinks that kind of guy is not what is needed. Sample quotes:
"Saying, 'C'mon! Let's go! Get ready! C'mon! Do better!' ... OK, I will. (rolls eyes) It doesn't solve anything.
"I mean, we're not 18 or 17. We don't need to be motivated to play harder in that regard."
Romo argues that what a leader needs to say is techniques for improving, details on what was wrong on the play instead. Interesting take.
Parts of the Romo interview on YouTube here and here.
Hat tip DC Fanatic
Couple of quick notes:
- Peter King jumps on the bandwagon predicting T.O. will be released.
I think everyone doing free-agent lists should add one name in pencil: Terrell Owens. I'll bet you a month's worth of lattes he'll be free in six weeks.
- Jamie Dukes does not agree.
- Troy Aikman gets his degree from UCLA. bruinbabe 2000 posted a video of Troy at UCLA in the FanShots.
- Pacman can be officially dumped from the Cowboys starting today.
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Romo completely misses the point of leadership
it’s not about being a cheerleader. It’s keeping an eye on your teammates, and if they are not doing their job (skipping meetings, practices, causing locker room problems etc.) you jump on their butts and call them out for it. Being a leader means making your teammates accountable for their actions. It has nothing to do with being a cheerleader.
He still doesn’t get it. Sigh…
thats not a players responsibility
that the HCs responsibility to hold players accountable. The starting qb doesn’t determine who plays, who gets benched, who gets fined, the HC does.
A qb calling out a player means nothing and has no teeth unless the HC does the same thing and takes action.
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I'm sure you're right
I’m sure Troy Aikmen never got in anyone’s grill. Give me a break. You are probably right though, if Tony tried to do it I’m sure someone would just laugh at him and give him a wedgy
by StillHateTheGiants on Feb 9, 2009 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
Aikman lead by example as well
Jimmy Johnson lead by holding players accountable, which is the way leadership should work within the team.
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And Aikmen stopped leading when Johnson left?
So what you’re saying is that the only leadership on a team comes from the coach? And team members aren’t accountable to each other. Wrong. I know you can’t handle any criticism of Tony Romo, but that’s not how it works. Great QB’s lead by many ways just like real leaders in any facet of life. I’ve known many good and great leaders who had no actual authority, just like other players on a team can lead.
by StillHateTheGiants on Feb 9, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
thats not what I'm saying
players lead by example, HC’s lead by holding players accountable. How can players hold each other accountable? That makes no sense because they don’t have the power to bench or suspend other teammates.
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Irvin was the real leader
he was the heart of the team and kept everyone in line (there is an obvious pun I could make but I will avoid it at the moment)
I don't think that team had any one "real" leader
There were plenty.
by StillHateTheGiants on Feb 9, 2009 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
you know this brings up a good comparison
I kind of forgot about it, but remember the last year we won the Super Bowl, Deion brought up all that garbage about Troy being prejudiced. It almost blew up the whole team. It’s kind of ironic that we had all this in-house stuff this year as well. Unfortunately, it tore up this team. Kind of interesting that Deon is taking T.O.‘s side. Maybe, it’s just coincidence?
Irvin was the heart and soul of those 90's Cowboys teams
go and ask anyone close to those teams….its been in print many times
NOBODY wanted to win more than Irvin, nobody worked harder than Irvin….he was forgiven for being a knucklehead off the field because every player on that team knew that Irvin left everything he had on the field….nobody ever questioned that guy’s heart
the guy was crying on the field during an intersquad scrimmage against the Chargers in pre-season
completely different personalities....
could not disagree with this statement more….
all of irvin’s troubles were off the field – and TO has never had any trouble with the law
Different situations yes
But the media would eat Irvin up because he constantly had run ins with the law. Everyone talks about all the distractions this team has, Pac Man, Romo, TO, as if Irvin and the Boys from the 90’s were such angels. And TO may stir some things up in the locker room, but if you don’t consider stabbing your teammate in the neck a team chemistry issue, I don’t know what is! (see Everett McIver). There aren’t cover ups in TO’s life, the media is everywhere watching his every move.
And for anyone who has ever been to BangCartoon.com
“If I needed a headline, I could count on Michael to get arrested in a mexican whore house with an ounce of cocaine in his pocket.” hahaha… a joke, not a part of my argument.
JJ did not hold
all players accountable.
First off he never liked Aikman. He envisioned walsh being the Qb. JOhnson gave walsh every chance to beat out Aikman.
Secondly Jonson always picked on the non stars. Curvin Richards, Robert Jones, etc.
He never ever stood up to aikman,irvin, or as much as JJ said he did Charles Haley.
JJ was a punk who picked on defenseless people. He was lucky he had great players and great leaders. Look at his draft record with all those picks. More busts than stars!!!!!!!!!
Better than that what did he do in Miami. A person in the right spot at the right time.
by oneforthethumb on Feb 9, 2009 9:25 PM CST up reply actions
Even the best personnel guy will have more busts than stars
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
Aikman also...
Was surrounded by a much better situation.
I don’t want to get into the Wade Phillips bash party, but if Romo pulled RW2 aside and got in his grill, if he got mopy and was being a biznitch, than I don’t know if anyone on the coaching staff would hold him accountable…
HOWEVER, Roy did that with Jimmy around and I think Jimmy would let him know that he’s expendible.
And in all honesty this comes back on Jerry, he cripples his coaching staff by letting players come straight to him.
The problem I have with the leadership debate is that in the 07 playoffs when Romo was pissed off at his line and yelling, there are people who pointed out that he lost his composure, but then when something goes wrong there are other people that are like “he should grab them by the helmet.”.
He has flaws for SURE, but sometimes I’m under the impression that he can’t win either way.
I agree with you Aikman was surrounded by a bigger group of players who demanded more of each other.
For all their faults, I always had the impression that team had a lot of players who simply could not stand the idea of losing. Irvin, Haley, Emmitt etc. I don’t think this team has that. A leader doesn’t have to be the biggest baddest MF on the team. That’s not what it’s about. I also don’t think leadership just happens on game day. If Tony Romo yells at players on the sideline but has not earned their respect the weeks before, they will just ignore him or laugh at him. We’ve all seen Tony Romo smiling on the sidelines when they’re losing, or even making comments about if that’s as bad as it gets then that’s ok. Who are those players on this team? I don’t care if it’s Romo, I don’t think he’s capable of it. But I don’t accept his comments about leadership either, just because he can’t fill the role.
by StillHateTheGiants on Feb 9, 2009 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
Aikman was a #1 draft pick
He played for 2 major college programs, and started for the Cowboys from Day 1. He was groomed early on to be a franchise QB.
It was lucky for us he was also smart, a natural leader, and used to being in charge.
Romo came up through a small program, was an undrafted rookie, sat on the bench for 3 years and finally got his shot in the middle of a game, at about the mid-point of the season. It was his talent alone that got him to that point.
I could not think of 2 more different routes to starting QB of the Dallas Cowboys. I don’t think it’s fair to compare the leadership of the 2 men. Romo is still learning how to be the leader. I can totally understand why he thinks his best shot is to lead by example and not get into the faces of guys who have been highly drafted, highly paid and had success in the NFL longer than he has.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
the guy has had 2 1/2 seasons as QB of the Cowboys...
he is playing the most important position on the most visible franchise in the NFL – arguably, the highest profile position in pro sports….and he is probably the highest paid player on the cowboys (one of them anyways)
do you not think that highly drafted players like FeJo, Witten, MB111 etc are going to follow this guy?? they should…i dont think it is a matter of him getting into people’s faces or where they were drafted
sure – it starts with what he does on the field – no doubt….but IMO – its all the off the field stuff that stops players from taking him seriously….the cap on backwards, Carrie Underwood on sidelines, the sh!t eatin grin all the time, the trips to Cabo, the lackadaisical practice habits, the photospreads in US Weekly, the philisophical ramblings ‘well if i dont win anything in my life – i still have had a good life’…..
IMO – if this guy locked himself down for 6 months, hit the books, hit the gym, stayed out of the mags, came to training camp with his hat on straight and a guerilla mentality – you dont think guys would go run thru a wall for him??? i think they would for sure – but that’s just me
I agree with you McLovin
I said he's still learning how to be the leader
The point of my comment was that you can’t compare Aikman’s style with how Romo thinks. Maybe he’s heading in that direction. But he’s only been the main guy for 2 seasons now, and really only just signed the big contract last year. He doesn’t have the attitude that Aikman had.
I agree with some of your points: work harder, practice as hard as you play, buckle down and make sure are leading by example.
I could care less how he wears his hat or that he smiles too much for your taste, and he doesn’t have to be a freaking monk. I’m telling you, if it wasn’t for Jessica Simpson and golf events, you would never see this guy in public. He’s very low key.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
i disagree APF.....
falling in water hazards, qualifying for US Open, Carrie Underwood, Aly Sims, Britney Spears, Sophia Bush….he’s not low key….far from it
the guy can't even get a little side action....
with a mysterious brunette without it being tabloid material…
i have lots of married friends that know hopw to get side action on the DL….its not that difficult….but no – he cant do that
LOL
That is so wrong, but you have a point, and that’s a point I agree with, if he would date a non-celebrity, or even a minor celebrity who isn’t a publicity hound, things would be much smoother.
I can’t fault him for the golf though, he’s too good to give it up, and a lot of famous athletes do the same thing.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 9, 2009 11:55 PM CST up reply actions
your friends also aren't
the starting qb for the Dallas Cowboys, huge difference there.
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please Terry.....
the gossip rags and TMZ would not even be interested in what Romo does if it werent for Jessica….
what you do not realize Terry, is that these people are not following Romo around because he is the QB of the Cowboys – they are following him around because of Jessica Simpson
why is that so hard for you to understand??
Again he was dating a celebrity.
You can’t tell me if he was dating Julie Jones up the street he would be getting the same Publicity. A lot of that was Jerry Jones wanting more publifity for the Cowboys. In fact he introduced them on the sidelines.
maybe Romo
doesn’t want to date Julie Jones up the street. People can’t help who they are attracted to or are interested in, falling for someone of the opposite sex just happens, you don’t go out and plan who you are going to date.
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I strongly disagree
It makes no sense to me. Professional athletes are still human beings and have human emotions, these guys aren’t robots.
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Of course they're human beings
but you’re missing the point again. If you don’t want your life to be so public, then don’t hang out with those type of people like Jessica Simpson or Carrie Underwood. You can’t have it both ways. The truth is, Romo likes being in the spotlight or he wouldn’t keep finding himself in it.
Like playing
in a made for TV golf event with Matt Lauer and Timberlake?
Why do the media seek him out so?
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 10, 2009 4:38 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with Tom, Romo is very low key
its being the starting qb of the Dallas Cowboys thats not low key. He doesn’t seek out the cameras like T.O., they seek him out.
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Like the NBC special with Matt Lauer and Timberlake
Just a low key round of golf
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 9, 2009 8:24 PM CST up reply actions
i think that you're delusional
TMZ doesn’t find the QB of the Dallas Cowboys and follow him to Cabo and hide in the bushes….
if the guy had a regular GF – nobody in the world would know his business – and nobody would care….his life is all out there because the way he is living and the company that he chooses to keep
Exactley
I mean sitting courtside at b-ball games is very low key. And going to Cabo was suppose to be a secret. Except his publicity seeking GF and her father called the paparazzi
In Romo we might Trust!
Tony Romo
is in a place he never ever thought he would be.
QB of America’s team.
You think all of the stars on this team respect or listen to him?
He’s happy to be where he is and all the stars know that!.
You don’t think Romo wakes up every morning thankful for being where he is?
You think Romo every thought he’d be dating Jessica.
Not!!
by oneforthethumb on Feb 9, 2009 9:29 PM CST up reply actions
hat on backwards??
what the hell does that have to do with anything?? Roethlisberger and many other qbs wear their hat backwards as well FYI.
In Romo we Trust
Yeah I agree here
Not only Big Ben, but Cutler, Rivers, Rodgers, McNabb, Hasslebeck. Hell, if its only the hat that matters, Brady would be the worst leader in the league. The metro hats that he wears embarass me as a member of his gender.
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
And I would take
of thse QB’s before Romo.
by oneforthethumb on Feb 9, 2009 9:29 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, after she's done wearing them
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
its got nothing to do with the hat alone terry....
its a package deal…a culmination of all of these things….
the guy comes off like a goofball…..you dont play your @ss off for goofballs
Is it really a problem for a guy to wear his hat backwards???
Not callin you out, McLovin9, but that’s like the 20th time I’ve read that…
by AikmanNailedMySis on Feb 10, 2009 7:16 AM CST up reply actions
well - do you want me to go into my meeting today with a hat on backwards?? want me to tell you how that goes??
i already told you terry - its not really the hat itself
its the total goofball package…the hat is just a simplified, visual image for you
i am starting to think that you probably understand visual images better than written text
You are discussing something that not all people understand
I know EXACTLY what you mean, it comes with maturity. But I was also one of those guys at one point in my life. They honestly don’t get it, maybe they will some day. You may as well whistle at the moon.
by StillHateTheGiants on Feb 10, 2009 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
so mature people never wear their hat backwards?
that again makes no sense whatsoever.
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I wouldn't exactly
call going on 29 a kid. Many people have children by this age.
Romo isn't a goofball
he’s just a fun, loving kid and I think very mature for his age. Too bad you can’t understand that.
In Romo we Trust
If your job involves playing a game
Then yeah, go for it.
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
Where they were drafted has nothing to do with it.
I am so tired of people using Romo’s age (“he’s young”) or the fact he was undrafted as some sort of excuse. The guy will be 29 yrs old when the season starts. There’s a pretty good chance his NFL career is more than half over. He may look 15, but he’s actually a veteran player by the standards applied to everyone else. What round was Tom Brady drafted? Roger Staubach? How about Jerry Rice? There is a very long list of guys drafted late that were or became leaders. It’s hard to tell by most of my posts but I actually have always been a huge Tony Romo fan. I am just so tired of excuses for him by people who refuse to see reality.
by StillHateTheGiants on Feb 9, 2009 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
......
Jerry Rice was drafted in the first round and staubach was only drafted that low because he had to serve in the military first… I mean the guy did win the heisman.
But I do see your point.
This “I’m a young guy” thing doesn’t work anymore.
This is year 3 of a starter, time to be the franchise QB.
I stand corrected about Jerry Rice
Just to be safe, substitute Johnny Unitas for him, I think Unitas was like a 16th round pick.
by StillHateTheGiants on Feb 9, 2009 6:28 PM CST up reply actions
nobody is saying he's young
in terms of age, we’re saying he’s young in terms of experience. It takes a lot more than 2.5 years to master the qb position.
In Romo we Trust
uh, but
Aikman won the Super Bowl in his 3rd year.
Actually Aikman won in his 4th season
89 1-15
90 7-9
91 11-5 Won wildcard game, lost in Divisional game to Det
92 13-3 Won SB XXVII
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Tom Brady and Big Ben won SB's the first year they started
by StillHateTheGiants on Feb 9, 2009 6:47 PM CST up reply actions
That's pretty outside the norm though
Tom Brady’s don’t come along too often.
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not true
Ben lost in AFC Championship his rookie year, both had championship defenses
In Romo we Trust
But he (Ben) won a playoff game to get to the AFC championship
Please Romo had the opportunity to sit 3 years and learn from vet qb’s. QB’s that had some success in their long careers. Until Romo proves something on the field (winning a SB) then he will always be a second tier QB. Even if he is on my team. Atleast the team I have rooted for the past 20+ years.
Ben didn't win anything
If you actually remember watching that game, he threw mutliple INTs and played horrible in that game against the Jets, if it wasn’t for a great Steelers D and Jets kicker missing 2 game winning kicks, they would have lost.
Giving him credit for that win is a joke.
QBs don’t win or lose games, teams do.
In Romo we Trust
So why are coaches and the QB's the only ones
who have their career win-loss record kept? You don’t ever hear that a wr went 45 wins and 23 losses,
because the media
needs something to debate and talk about..it’s totally media driven and like Parcells used to say..you’ve been sucked.
Its ricidulous to think one player can win or lose a football game, no less a HC.
In Romo we Trust
I can read wikipedia also
As a rookie, he went 13–0 in the regular season (14-1 including playoffs) as a starting quarterback, helping the Steelers become the first AFC team to have 15 wins
+1
in fact he beat Dallas that year Roc. Let me give you a piece of advice, I’ve been arguing w/Terry for a while and he will never concede anything where Romo is concerned. Kinda gets under you skin right? It has been suggested that Terry is really Jessica but I think he has a crush on him. Just teasing Terry. I admire you for being so devoted to him but man is it frustrating when you blame everybody else on the team but him.
That game sucked
Vinny Testaverde had the ball knocked out of his hand by his FB trying to cut across in front of him to pick up a blitz. One of the big DL guys scooped it up and ran it back like 30 or 40 yds. If it wasn’t for that screwed up play, Dallas would have beaten PIT.
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Well Ben played well
B. Roethlisberger 21/25 193 2td’s
But that is besides the point. I think the point is Romo needs to stop being a Tool and man up!
just like Romo didn't single handedly lose this years Pittsburgh game, right ?
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 9, 2009 8:32 PM CST up reply actions
He used both hands
Remember when he had #11 wide open for a major, and threw southpaw – he was having so much fun.
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 9, 2009 9:11 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not sure he couldn't as he didn't try
and spotted Williams way too late.
Just pointing out that technically he didn’t lose the game singlehandedly, but doublehandedly.
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 10, 2009 9:34 AM CST up reply actions
it was impossible
try running full speed and then turning your body 180 degrees to throw..can’t be done, his only shot was throwing it left handed.
In Romo we Trust
maybe if he had been paying attention in the first place
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 10, 2009 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
I didn't read wikipedia
I actually remember watching the game and I even can tell you what bar I watched it in.
In Romo we Trust
Terry
you just said that you were at that game and now you are saying you watched it at a bar. So which is it ? Plus I do believe Ben was the QB of the Steelers in that game and so He beat the Cowboys. He wasn’t exactly sitting on the bench sucking his thumb.
Terry one question and then I can move on
So ir the Dallas Cowboys can get out of Romo’s way he will win a SB or two?
you can't be this slow dude
for the millionth time, players don’t win or lose games, teams do, so therefore Romo will never win a SB, hopefully the Cowboys do while he’s the starting qb.
In Romo we Trust
no, I said I was at the Steelers/Cowboys game in 2004
I watched the Steelers/Jets playoff game in a bar.
Must read carefully tex
In Romo we Trust
Just because he was the qb
doesn’t mean he beat the Jets, that makes no sense.
Teams win games, not players.
In Romo we Trust
oh come on
you’re nit-picking. His team won with him as the QB. HIS TEAM BEAT THE JETS. ugh
So Bledsoe should have won three SB's
Not Brady? Because those teams were great?
Teams do win games, but most if not all of those teams have great leaders. Whether coach or players. Just look at the Cowboys 95 SB team, Switzer not the leader, Aikman Leader.
Is their any doubts who the leader of the Colts is? Their D sucked their SB year.
don't get me wrong
the qb is most important position on the team and you have to have a good one to win the SB, but the qb is not soley responsible for wins or losses.
QBs need help from their OL, backs and receivers and their defense to succeed, its really that simple.
If Romo continues to improve, he’ll become a great leader with his great play on the field.
In Romo we Trust
I'm with you
I remember that happening. Tony can’t win this one.
What he/rest need to do is just go out and execute, cut down penalties, bad decisions, and the wins will come. With that the " lead dogs" will emerge
That pretty much...
sums it up.
Of course easier said than done, but thats what wins football games.
I'm pretty sure he said in the interview
Its not about being a cheerleader, not word for word, but thats essentially the point he made. There are no players in the NFL that could keep complete control of their teammates. These guys (NFL players in general) are typically there, playing for themselves, and playing for money. What he said was correct.
Romo argues that what a leader needs to say is techniques for improving, details on what was wrong on the play instead.
That is what a leader can really do for the team. Help people improve on the field.
Try being the QB
on a team with TO in the huddle and no support or discipline from your HC. There’s only so much a QB can do and that doesn’t include enforcing team rules
Tony Romo and leadership...
A lot of fans Peyton Manning and Tom Brady and Kurt Warner spitting and cussing on the sidelines and are convinced that’s what a starting quarterback should be as a leader. Ray Lewis is a great leader because of the emotion he brings to his team….but all these guys have a couple of things in common:
Their play on the field backs up their words on the sidelines.
Romo’s point was that you can cuss and yell all you want but if you aren’t backing it up on the field it’s just hot air. I remember during last season’s playoff game against the Giants Romo was getting pissed and yelling at his offensive line and the receivers and the reaction was that he was becoming petulant and over-reacting.
Bottom line, Romo is just not the type of guy who is going to walk up and down the sideline slapping guys upside the head and yelling at his teammates. No matter what, he will never do that. And if he does do that, it will immediately become apparent how out of character it really is for him. Romo’s strength is in spreading the enthusiasm he has for the game, inspiring his teammates by making big plays on the field. And when things aren’t going well and the team isn’t winning, well it’s tough to keep that enthusiasm going. It’s tough to keep that up when you lose and you get berated by fans and the media over not being good enough.
What Romo needs to do his back up these words on the field. Make the plays when needed and lead your team to success, through your actions. Hold yourself accountable and lead by example. Work harder than everyone else on the practice field, do what you did to get yourself this job in the first place.
Is Romo’s leadership style effective? Not for everyone. But yelling at people doesn’t work across the board, either. Romo is still the best option at quarterback this team has and is the best the team has had since Aikman. Has he brought us a championship…no. Can he? I still think so.
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A lot of these players are just immature boys with big bank accounts (i.e. Martellus Bennett and Spencer)
Even if they don’t want to say it, they need someone like Ray Lewis to jump on them and tell them what’s right from wrong. Sadly, most of these players are not mature enough to learn by example. They need to be told what to do.
+1
I don’t expect to have a cheerleader on the sidelines but you can be a leader in other ways not just sitting on the bench by yourself looking defeated like I saw a lot this year. How about gathering up your receivers on the sidelines when things are going wrong and talking with them. I didn’t see much of this. Remember when Witten fumbled in the Lions game in 07 and Romo told him not to worry about it that he was going to go back to him for the winning touchdown which did happen. That’s what I want from my leader. Not pouting, making up excuses. I personally, liked it when he got in his line-man’s faces when they were messing up.
What I'm trying to say
is I want a leader to always believe that they are going to win no matter what and pass on that belief to his followers.
Good examples
I liked it when he reassured Witten when he fumbled. I also like that he got upset with the linemen in the Giants game. The end of the 07 season I can hardly fault Romo for. (Except the Eagles game, he couldn’t hit the side of a barn that game.) I still think he has it in him.
If they need someone
like Ray Lewis to keep them in line, what do you expect Romo to do? Romo isn;t the same type of leaser Ray Lewis is
I was about to post a very similar defense of Romo's leadership
What this guy brings, what hes always brought to this team, is a joy for playing the game. People talk about how when this offense does well, they do REALLY well, and i think that has to do with Romo’s enthusiasm and confidence. Now, what he needs to learn, and what hopefully last year will in part teach him, is to not get down when things are going bad, and to always have that confidence.
I think Jerry deserves some of the blame for this – the media seems to have complete and total access to this team, and he needs to limit that. Not once last season was there some sort of positive reinforcement for these guys. In the first 3 months, all we heard was about how the only thing that mattered was january and the playoffs. After 1 game against pittsburgh, where we played outstanding football for 3 and a half quarters, all we heard was they’re gonna collapse again. The media just controls the mindset of these guys.
As for needing an emotional leader…the offense doesn’t. No offense needs an emotional leader. Offensively, a great leader, as Tony said, will get his team to EXECUTE better. You don’t need to be in your guys faces like brady or manning or warner. Its not about playing hard, its about discipline. Its about the receivers running the right routes, the lineman getting the right protection schemes and the qb not playing like every play is his last and throwing the ball away or running for a short gain occasionally.
Defensively…thats a different story. I think theres a lot of emotion that goes into defense. Having a true emotional leader would get these guys to practice harder and tackler better, which i think is half the battle for this team.
I agree with Romo, I think what he's saying is true
I mean all the leadership in the world wouldn’t get Proctor to stop backing in to the QBs. Unless that leader gave him rabbies or something. Real leaders give people rabbies?
I don’t have game film but I’d like to look at the film of WR routes to get a sense of what people are saying.
Martellus Bennett maybe immature but he delivers at a high level on the field. I have horrible memories of the 90s Cowboys making country albums.
Dallas needs to quit the FA fix, its like heroin. We need to draft better, and draft O line players better. Also, Dallas has been wanting to draft a safety for years but they keep rising out of Dallas’ reach.
I jumped around a lot in the post but the gist is last years problems were caused by
injuries and foolish loyalty to bad players, Proctor, the safeties and Brad Johnson. And at times I bluntly thought Jason Garrett was being uncreative.
by AustonianAggie on Feb 9, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
We do draft well, and we generally haven't spent too much time in FA
The key for the next two years offensively, in my opinion, is the oline. I’m sorry, but our guys just don’t have the brains/wherwithall to play at a high level consistently. Gurode still has major issues snapping the ball. Flozell is old. Our whole line is very penalty prone that force our offense into ridiculous situations that few teams in this league will overcome. If we cna draft some olineman that can actually play in this league, it will help us tremendously. We look great at qb, wr, tight end and rb, but my position has always been that the lines make or break your team. Our Dline is average-good, and our oline is prone to flat out falling apart (especially in december).
Romo is dead on correct
leadership from a player is leading by example. Ray Lewis isn’t a great leader because of his pre game speeches or in your face rants on the sidelines, he’s a leader because he’s a great player and the younger players look up to him and want to equal his great play.
The accountability aspect of leadership is beyond a player’s control, that simply has to come from the HC who has the power and authority that a player does not.
In Romo we Trust
I disagree
I think you need an emotional leader on defense. Offense, your leader should be exactly what romo described – a guy who knows where everyone is supposed to be and whats going wrong. They should expect perfection.
Bye Roy!
You were nice to have for a little while. At least your legacy is frozen in time thanks to YouTube…As for Romo, I don’t care what kind of leader he wants to be, or thinks the team needs. Just get it done! I think all of us fans are sick of the lip service from this franchise as a whole. I’m glad to see he’s getting that fire back (seemingly). Based on what I read, he seems like he’s pissed off and ready to prove to the world what he can do…like he’s taking that me against the world, jump on my back and I’ll carry you to victory sort of approach. I’m glad. Can’t wait for camp to open up…
by AikmanNailedMySis on Feb 9, 2009 1:47 PM CST reply actions
A-Rod Fesses Up...
Wow… He just admitted to using PED’s over a three year period while with the Rangers. Sorry to get off topic and off sport for that matter, but I was kind of taken aback that he copped to it.
EXACTLY!!!
That’s what got Bonds and Clemens in trouble in the first place. Americans are incredibly forgiving towards the people they love, such as athletes. The fact that he came out and admitted to it, especially since the drugs he took (as I understand it) were something you could buy at GNC at the time. Props to him!
by AikmanNailedMySis on Feb 9, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
welp scratch that, can't buy testosterone at GNC haha
by AikmanNailedMySis on Feb 9, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
You used...
To be able too actually.
I don’t know about 2003, but in 2000 you could get some of that for sure.
agreed
I have no personal opinion on arod, and follow baseball rather loosely, but I’m very happy he did confess. I would bet quite a few players, maybe even the majority, have done some sort of performance enhancing drugs, and as more information comes out, it would be great if they just admitted their mistake. The sport couldn’t deal with another guy blatantly lying while the general public knew it.
I guess if they cut T.O.
Today’s the day. Maybe, it would only be the second story on Sportscenter. (Not that I watch anymore anyway)
these interviews show two uncomfortable facts
Almost everyone agrees that the two biggest offseason issues involve T.O. and organizational culture/leadership. And these interviews show why they are very tough to solve.
1) TO is a team cancer that is a really likeable guy. Notice what Roy says about T.O.? He loves the guy. I think he’s being honest. Most players who play with T.O really really like him. He’s apparently a mensch. The problem is that T.O. has a total inability to take constructive criticism. He’s so psychologically warped (probably by a childhood that would leave anyone warped) that he inevitably feels “betrayed” by his QB’s, position coaches, Offensive coordinators, and (sometimes) head coaches. All of these positions have in common is that they will be the people to criticize TO, to tell him where he is failing…and TO’s fragile psyche can’t take that. It’s why, given enough time, he’ll fall out with ANY QB, from a narcissist like McNabb to a nice guy QB like Romo. He’ll fall out with a screamer like Haley or a lower key guy like Garrett. Notice, in the latest saga, the “defense sides with TO”? Of course they do! They know the “helluva guy TO,” and the “practicing hard TO,” not the TO who tunes you out in a film meeting because his wittle feewings are hurt when you suggest he ran a sloppy route. TO is not a traditional locker room cancer. He’s a charismatic nice guy who befriends most of his teammates, but will always fall out with QB’s and (most) authority figures. It’s why I’m convinced he must go. But getting rid of him will piss off the 75% of his teammates who think he’s pretty great. On the other hand, maybe it will strike fear into at least some of those guys.
2) Romo is correct that sideline screaming won’t improve the team, but probably underestimates the degree to which the team’s organizational culture prevents winning. Romo is right that chemistry tends to follow victory (backbiting anonymous quotes don’t appear for 14-2 teams). He’s right that sideline rants by "leaders" don’t lead to improved play. He’s wrong that Michael Jordan wasn’t a "leader" before championships, but inadvertently right because a charismatic alpha dog can’t transform the culture of a 45 man football team the way a Kevin Garnett can transform an 8 man basketball rotation. In football, discipline and accountability have to run through the team culture.
Jerry Jones has chosen at least three "ways of doing business" that make organizational discipline virtually impossible:
A) His role of owner and GM are at cross purposes. The marketer in him wants "famous" players who promote the ball club. And that works, as his team is worth more than any in professional sports, despite 13 years (!) in the playoff wilderness. The GM in him should be looking for unheralded players whose performance is better than their fame and perceived value (think Jay Ratliff). But owner Jerry gravitates toward guys with big names who think like stars and don’t create a culture of discipline. Collectively, those kinds of players stimulate the kind of drama that makes ESPN churn and Jerry richer.
B) His role as owner allows him to be a GM with too much power. Where else in the NFL does a GM set team fines? Where else can players end run the coaches and get a sympathetic ear when they feel they aren’t being used correctly? Where else does the GM enter the locker room to give post game speeches? By setting the contours of discipline and emotional leadership himself, Jerry prevents even a strong personality coach from instilling discipline and accountability. How much worse is it when we have a coach who barely ever raises his voice?
C) He’s learned the wrong lesson from the early 90’s ‘Boys. Jerry always talks about talent, talent, talent. He "takes risks" in his mind on high risk, high reward guys because he "remembers" the "lessons" of Deion and Charles Haley. What he is failing to realize is that a) you can’t "out talent" people as much in the salary cap era, and b) Deions and Haley’s only work when you already have an organizational culture that is disciplined. Deion and Haley walked into a team culture that had been built by Jimmy Johnson. And Deion and Haley were Hall of Fame-level players. High risk talent acquisitions (think Moss or Corey Dillon) only work where you have a really strong coach and really strong locker room leaders already in place. The Cowboys have neither.
+1
Very good post Tim. This should be upgraded from comment to fanpost.
T-New, shutting down WR's for Dallas since 2003
+1 Echo that
Dude. You killed it. Passion and reason. I agree completely. Now, since you’re so smart, tell us how to fix it
by Boundforbeach on Feb 9, 2009 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
+2
Agree – it starts with JJ. Its all done with the best of intentions (we should be thankful for an owner who is truly passionate about winning) – but it is exactly what you have said: too many “stars”, not enough role players and a team culture that lacks discipline and accountability.
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Certainly the....
Deions and Haley’s only work when you already have an organizational culture that is disciplined.
I had never thought about that, but it is so true. It’s also the reason that Barry Switzer couldn’t screw things up.
great post
I agree completely.
What I want to know is how many players believe that Jerry is too involved – it kinda seems like a few have hinted at that this offseason.
I agree
T.O. is a hard worker and a good guy, but he is not a “team player.” Doesn’t mean he is a bad person, but he can’t function well with a group. Take the “rat in the locker room” situation for example. Did someone wrong T.O.? Probably. Did he need to go off accusing everyone under the sun as being a rat (i.e. Todd Haley and Witten)? Definitely not.
What T.O. is adept at doing is forming a clique around him that disrupts team chemistry.
I agree
The reason why the Cowboys are a dysfunctional team is because Jerry Jones undermines the authority of his HC, its that simple.
The Cowboys are the only team in the league where players don’t really answer to their HC, but to their GM and owner. This is really the root of the problem with the chemistry of the team. It wouldn’t matter how many strong leaders the team had as players, until the players know they will be accountable to their HC instead of their owner, the current culture and chemistry of the team will not change.
For the Cowboys to succeed, they need a strong willed HC who will hold players accountable like Johnson or Parcells, guys like Phillips who are “yes” men to Jones just won’t cut it because of the reasons just stated.
In Romo we Trust
I give props to Parcells, his team gag order to the media should be reimplimented.
I thought Jerry already began that gag order philosophy at the Senior Bowl….but appearantly clowns like S- Roy Williams didn’t get the memo…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 9, 2009 9:02 PM CST up reply actions
I actually think it's irresponsible for you to question an appearant defect in TO's psyche.
He’s so psychologically warped
I take it your the resident blog shrink ?
And to take your preceived personal bias, and hatred for TO, and manifest it into some sense of reality by assumption of others is downright rediculous. Not once has there been any rumbling or rift between Tony Romo and TO, yet you’d never know that from reading your piece.
Other than that, the rest of the comments were commendable.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 9, 2009 8:59 PM CST up reply actions
Wrong and false
I’ll get to the deficiencies of your post as regards T.O. in a second, but first things first:
Jason Witten — shut up. Stop freaking talking about T.O., as it is virtually certain that you did at the Pro Bowl to Jason Cole of Yahoo that Clarence Hill mentioned in a recent blog post.
The more Witten keeps trying to get T.O. bounced off of the team, the more convinced I am that he was the ‘rat’ and ‘coward’ that T-New and others have discussed. And, unfortunately, he’s also starting to look like a liar because Witten told Randy Galloway, I believe, that no one on the team said to him that he was the rat or whatever. According to the report(s) about the team meeting that occurred after the Ed Werder story broke before the Giants game, both Gurode and Roy Williams 2 called Witten out. Someone’s lying, and with the almost certainty that Witten is one of Cole’s sources here and that he’s pushing the “T.O. has got to go” storyline my bet is on Witten as the liar. I’ve lost a huge amount of respect for Witten this year, and I really believe the Romo/Witten/Garrett axis has become detrimental to the team. That doesn’t mean that they are individually bad for the team, but Romo has to get his head out of his rear end, Witten needs to shut his mouth and Garrett needs to also shut his mouth and work on overcoming his sophomore slump. Basically, less Cabo and buying the celeb QB hype and more hard work is needed here. Stop worrying about T.O. and do your own jobs, practice better, etc. Anyone who thinks that getting rid of T.O. is going to solve these issues is in fantasy land.
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Now, back to Tim’s points on T.O., and how they are incorrect.
As I just mentioned, the two guys who supposedly stood up against Witten (and for T.O.) at the team meeting were Gurode and Williams. Both offensive players. That is, guys who could, conceivably, be in film sessions/offensive meetings with T.O. A guy that’s cutting T.O. down is Roy Williams 1, a defensive guy. That’s hole #1 in the assertions that Tim is making.
A further hole: The guys who T.O. hangs with the most seem to be Barber, Crayton and Williams. Two receivers, one running back. All on offense. Guys who would, according to Tim’s thoughts, know all about T.O.’s sloppiness and supposed tuning out of people in huddles and such.
What we have, then, is basically the exact opposite of Tim’s theory: The guys who spend the most time with T.O. in training and film study — receivers, especially — are the guys who choose to hang out with and defend him the most. Pretty simple and easy refutation of the Tim Hypothesis.
As Jamie Dukes points out in his blog about T.O., the people who seem to not be able to handle T.O. are the people who tell the truth. Was Garrett’s offense stale? You bet is was. Ask the Ravens. Did Garcia suck at throwing deep balls in SF? Yes, he did. Was McNabb a spoiled baby company guy in Philly? Absolutely.
Now, does this mean T.O. is blameless? No, it doesn’t. T.O. is extremely sensitive and confrontational. He’s a pain in the ass sometimes, no doubt about it. I blame what happened in SF on him, all the way.
However, T.O. is also the only sure-fire Hall of Fame player on the roster currently and he was the best playmaker on the team last year, and one of the only people to show up in the last Philly game (over 100 yards). While people like Romo fell apart at the seams, T.O. did what he could do. Does he drop too many balls? Yes. Is Roy Williams ready to be a #1 based on one year in Detroit? I don’t know. Will the team be worse off, offensively, without T.O.? Yes, especially considering you will still be paying for him if he’s gone (actually, paying more).
If Tony Romo or Jason Witten can’t handle T.O. as a teammate, that betrays, to me, their own weakness. Romo is mentally weak, his head isn’t where it needs to be to be an elite QB. Stop worrying about T.O., and I mean that sincerely. Stop trying to force him throws. Just play your own game and tune him out. That’s what Aikman would have done. You can do it, too.
As I said above, T.O. I blame for what happened in SF. I do not blame him for Philly and I don’t blame him for what has happened here. I’m not saying he’s blameless, but he does not deserve all of the blame he is getting and is only being made a convenient scapegoat. And that’s bullsh*t. I don’t care about the fat sack of dung that is Peter King, or Mike Wilbon or any of the rest of the haters. Or Jen Floyd Engel or Galloway. All of these people have an agenda and that is to vilify T.O.
Stephen A. Smith, who covered McNabb before and after Owens went to Philly, will tell you that what happened in Philly was more McNabb’s fault than it was Owens’ fault. I agree with that. Apparently, what happened in Philly is that McNabb came hard at T.O. from the early going, trying to be “Alpha Dog” guy. Well, guess what? If you do that with a guy like T.O., he’s going to respond. Particularly if you are a choking dog who throws up in the Super Bowl and who is also seen by players as a company man who thinks he’s better than the rest of the team. Did T.O. go to a bad place once the feud started? Yes, he did. Did McNabb start the ball rolling on the feud? Yes, it seems he did. Did the Philly organization totally take McNabb’s side, because he was ‘their guy?’ Yes, they did.
The whining you have heard from McNabb this offseason and as the playoffs wore down about his contract is because Donny knows he is no longer the ‘favored son’ by the Philly organization. Now, he’s like many of the players who sided with T.O. during that period of time. In other words, he’s starting to understand how the rest of the world lives when they’re not The Golden Child. And that’s why you’re hearing Donny moan about wanting to retire in Philly and how he doesn’t want to hear questions about his contract next year, yada yada. Remember McNabb pointing at his jersey with his thumbs in the Dallas game? Hmm, that seemed a lot like Owens, don’t you think? Amazing how McNabb seems to be becoming more like T.O. now as his run in Philly may be coming closer to an end. McNabb is a punk, a spoiled baby who is incredibly mentally fragile. T.O. is mentally fragile, too, but the difference between the two men is one performs well in the clutch (SF playoff game vs GB, Super Bowl) and one doesn’t. I want the guy who performs well in the clutch on my team.
As far as T.O. here in Dallas, again I go to the ‘coward’ and Not Ready for Prime Time, Cabo Guy Romo as the culprits. T.O. has been very calm in Dallas, relatively speaking. Should he have bitched to Deion about plays? No. That’s when the team was sucking, Romo was out and they were like 5-4. Once things started to get in gear there wasn’t much of anything. Until Werder Gate and cowardly leaks. That’s when we were trying to get to the playoffs. Different situations. I’m not excusing what T.O. did, but giving it context.
The Philly game and the awful, early INT by Romo showed me, definitively, that Romo is not ready for the next step. He is the gating item on the team, or one of them. Witten didn’t even turn around for the pass that was an INT in Pittsburgh at the end of that game. Are they cancers? Do they need to go for the team to be ok? Because it seems that at least as many guys support T.O. as do them. Think about that.
For a guy who works as hard as T.O. does, and no one works harder, Romo supposedly screwing up in practice is going to grate on your nerves. Again, T.O. is going to the Hall of Fame, and deservedly so. He worked his tail off for it. He’s near the end, and knows that he’s only going to get a ring if Romo is on board all the way. T.O. saw that wasn’t the case, and said that after Werder Gate broke. AFTER. After the coward and others came out against him. But I believe him, I’ve seen how Romo plays and others have reinforced what Owens said about Romo’s practice habits. Aikman and others have called out Romo, too. Romo seems to be learning. Good. So, it’s time to back off on T.O. as the sole issue here. He’s not, and, again, he was the top playmaker on the team last year.
Again, to another of Tim’s points: T.O. and constructive criticism. Is T.O. fragile? Yes. Is what Werder and McNabb did ‘constructive criticism?’ No, it’s isn’t. It’s called punking you out. I don’t blame T.O. for reacting as he did. Media and people like Witten and Romo may be shocked that much of the team backs Owens. I’m not shocked, nor am I shocked with the new spin about ‘charismatic’ T.O., like he’s some Mephistopheles in tight pants and shoulder pads. The guy works his tail off, is the most accomplished player on the team and calls it like he sees it, straight-up, without going to Ed Werder on the sly. Guys like that, like how hard he works. He’s not perfect, but you know what you’re getting. And he produces.
In summary: The guys who seem to like T.O. the best are the guys who play the same position as he does, unlike what Tim said about T.O. and defensive players. Other offensive players have come to his defense and took a stand, apparently, against purported ‘coward’ leaker Jason Witten. Defensive players like Roy Williams 1 are speaking out against T.O., as seen in the post here. What The Coward and McNabb did with T.O. is not ‘constructive criticism.’ If guys like Haley call out T.O., good. Haley got into it with Boldin, too, and the Cards made the Super Bowl. In other words, this stuff happens with all teams, you just don’t hear about is so much except when Cowards leak it out like it was an A-Rod steroids test, and teams can still make it all the way. T.O. is not the main problem in Dallas, and the team will be worse off if he is released during this offseason. Jerry Jones is not a perfect owner, but he is right in trying to reconcile things with T.O. and those who need to be convinced, whoever they are (and we know who some of them are). Guys like Peter King know that with Wade calling the D and with people like Felix Jones implemented in a hopefully-upgraded Garrett scheme, Dallas could be very good next year. They do not want T.O. to enjoy that success, or contribute to it. It’s very, very simple.
Do not fall into the lemming trap that people want to make you believe. T.O. has baggage, he has things to work on (like routes and drops), but he is not the main or sole problem here, and the team will be worse off without him. Other people on the team and in the organization need to focus on their own weaknesses, button their lips and work on making less predictable gameplans.
T.O. is a drama queen. He is not the only such person on the Dallas Cowboys, nor should he be scapegoated for others’ failings and dysfunctionalities. When Witten has as many TD’s or yards as T.O., then talk — on the record, not with BS to an adversarial source. I have no confidence Williams is ready to be a #1, and I’m also not comfortable with people like Peter King becoming the Cowboys GM. If there are issues to be worked out, work them out. Sounds like that is what Jerry is doing. Good.
by PaulFVillarreal on Feb 9, 2009 10:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
EDITS
1. “As Jamie Dukes points out in his blog about T.O., the people who seem to not be able to handle T.O. are the people who tell the truth”
Should be: the people who seem to not be able to handle T.O. are the people who can’t handle the truth.
2. “I’m not shocked, nor am I shocked with the new spin about ‘charismatic’ T.O., like he’s some Mephistopheles in tight pants and shoulder pads.”
Elaboration: Mephistopheles — the devil — often is portrayed as appearing in a nice package. That is, as someone who looks good, is wealthy, is ‘charismatic,’ etc. So the allusion here is that T.O. is devilish because, the ‘charismatic cancer’ line goes, he seems so nice and compelling but it’s all just a front for his true, as Tim puts it, “psychologically warped”-ness. That’s the point I was getting at, by saying T.O. is supposedly the devil here.
The people pushing the ‘charismatic’ line are ones who hoped the team would turn on Terrell, and who were shocked when they did not. I’m talking about media types here. When they saw the reality of the situation, they began the ‘charismatic’ mantra. In other words, the players THINK Terrell is a good guy but they are oh so wrong, blah blah. Terrell is really the devil, etc.
What this line implies is that guys who like Terrell are basically idiots who can’t think for themselves and who are taken in by T.O.‘s incredible guile. It’s insulting and pathetic, and if I were a person who liked Terrell, I would be offended by such prattle.
by PaulFVillarreal on Feb 9, 2009 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
damn bro....that gets a looong winded thumbs up..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 9, 2009 11:55 PM CST up reply actions
Jeez, how long did it take you to write that?
I don’t agree with most of your points, but if you have enough passion and conviction to put that kind of time into a comment, I have to give you props. Nice job.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 10, 2009 12:12 AM CST up reply actions
Too long...
…and thanks.
Tim’s post is good, and there’s a lot of people who think as he does. I’m not trying to take shots at him, just that line of thinking.
I’m tired of the “T.O. has to go — NOW!” line from people like Peter King and so many Dallas media. That’s where my passion on this subject comes from, just to counter that drum beat.
by PaulFVillarreal on Feb 10, 2009 2:39 AM CST up reply actions
Wrong and False?
Paul:
I am struggling to agree with many of the premises that support your conclusion of “TO good and true/everyone else wrong and false.”
(1) You assume Jason Witten was the source to Jason Cole, and from that conclude he is the infamous “snitch” despite his public repudiation of that charge. Is it possible that there were other Cowboy coaches and players at the Pro Bowl who did not play that could have been the source? Jamie Dukes came pretty close to calling out Romo as the snitch.
(2) You want to debunk the TO is cancer theory by showing his support among players on offense such as Crayton, Barber and Roy William-"[t]he guys who spend the most time with T.O. in training and film study." Yet, you even acknowledge that Owens "is extremely sensitive and confrontational. He’s a pain in the ass sometimes, no doubt about it." Isn’t is possible that his closest teammates know this and are the least likely to denounce him in public? Isn’t that the very reason everyone in the Cowboy organization for 3 years has been walking on eggshells to prevent Owens from blowing up, famously captured by Parcells refusing to even refer to him by name? I give you Exhibit 1—Todd Haley, now the Head Coach of the Chiefs. Haley was most probably the source of the stories to the media about Owens sleeping through team meetings in 2006; remember Owens confessing to that, citing his sleep apnea (as an aside, the man can afford his own hypobaric chamber, but can’t spring for a CPAP machine?). For someone who has been such a model teammate for 3 seasons, I can recall the following: the mocking Tour D’Owens during Training Camp 2006, the suicide attempt, blowups with Haley, sleeping through meetings, the JJT story of Owens not knowing the playbook, endless sideline tirades, too many dropped passes, Jerry Rice’s "sloppy route running" observation, going on NFL Network with Owens apologist Deion Sanders (another model teammate) to call out his QB and Offensive Coordinator BEFORE the Werder/anonymous source story. A more plausible theory here is that after 3 seasons some people in the locker room and front office are tired of walking on eggshells and finally are calling Owens out—if Witten is the source, can you think of a better character to be the one—the man who played with a separated shoulder, broken rib and sprained ankle last season—if you have lost respect for someone like Witten, I’m not sure your respect has much to commend it. It is not surprising that Owens has his own defenders on this team, but those defenders are more enablers than actual character witnesses.
(3) Your defense of Owens is riddled with inconsistencies. After acknowledging that Owens "is extremely sensitive and confrontational", you then advise Tony Romo to "[s]top worrying about T.O . . . and tune him out." And then you state that McNabb’s problems with Owens, for which you blame McNabb, is that McNabb tried to be the "Alpha Dog" guy. So, our QB must tune out the confrontational WR, but can’t be an assertive leader either. Leaving as the only viable alternative . . . not talking to him at all. Sounds like precisely the situation described to Jamie Dukes, doesn’t it?
(4) And finally, lets stop the urban legend of "no one works harder." When the greatest WR in history observes that Owens route running is sloppy, when the current Offensive wunderkind who turned Larry Fitzgerald into the greatest current WR in the league can’t keep Owens awake in team meetings and tells our Owner/GM we can’t win with Owens on the team, then whatever Owens is working at hard, isn’t what he should be working on.
Wrong and false, correct
I wrote a long piece here that got lost because I answered Cowboy78 below first, so I’ll do my best to reconstruct my original answer.
First of all, the ‘wrong and false’ is towards what Tim said and the reasons that he gave, those specifically being about defensive players vs offensive players liking T.O. and the ‘constructive criticism’ remark. If I recall correctly, the first words that started the feud between McNabb and T.O. were allegedly along the lines of “Shut the f*ck up and get back in the huddle” or some such thing that McNabb said to T.O. during a practice when T.O. said something regarding a pass thrown his way or whatever. That’s not constructive criticism, nor is Ed Werder implying that T.O. is living in a fantasy world by saying that Witten and Romo are plotting to exclude him. It may be true, that T.O. said it, but it’s not constructive criticism. Particularly when you tell a guy from an organization you know dislikes T.O. and when the info comes out when you’re trying to make a playoff push. T.O. was booed during the pregame after that junk, and Romo and Witten were cheered. No whining from T.O. about that, he just went and helped get the “W.”
Now, I’m not sure if you read all of what I wrote, NC. Because had you, you would have seen that I said T.O. is fragile, a pain in the butt, etc. This isn’t dichotomy time, and that’s the problem with T.O. Haters — he’s the devil incarnate to you people. I know what T.O.‘s warts are, and admit them. But I also don’t excuse others’ weaknesses and foibles because supposedly T.O. caused them, too, the same way T.O. apparently ruined McCain’s campaign, caused 9/11, etc. I’m saying that T.O. is a drama queen, but he’s one worth keeping. Please don’t distort my argument.
Break I have to go answer Cowboys78 again…back in a second
by PaulFVillarreal on Feb 10, 2009 8:25 AM CST up reply actions
Continuing
1. Clarence Hill also assumes that Witten is the source of the Pro Bowl dirt on T.O. I’m going with Occam’s Razor here, and trying to minimize assumptions and causality. That is, Witten is supposedly the “Coward.” People on the team apparently think that. Clarence Hill thinks Witten is behind the Pro Bowl stuff. So those are two inferences I don’t have to make. Could the source be Flozell? Or a coach? Yes, it could. But I’m just trying to keep this simple. I could be wrong, but Witten seems to be the logical choice.
Dukes says that Romo is the problem, I’m not sure if he says that Romo is the snitch. But I could be wrong about that. I agree with Dukes that Romo is a large part of the problem in Dallas, as I said.
2. My purpose in bringing up the offensive players liking T.O. (vs only defensive players, or more than defensive players) and the ‘constructive criticism’ thing is a response to what Tim said. That is, they are not pillars of my own argument in defense of T.O. but ones brought up off of someone else’s argument. There is a difference.
Here’s a good counterexample to what you’re saying regarding Haley, etc. This also helps to go against what you’re saying about Witten as Model Character Guy:
One of the people who supposedly called out Witten was Roy Williams 2, new Cowboy. That is, someone who has not been here for 3 years, who doesn’t have the history with T.O., who is not someone with “treat him with eggshells” baggage regarding T.O. Yet Williams has repeatedly and vigorously defended T.O. So Williams wouldn’t have the impetus to defend T.O. based on that history yet he is doing so. Is he doing it, defending him, because he doesn’t realize just how bad T.O. supposedly is yet, since RW2 hasn’t been there long enough? I don’t know, but he’s definitely defending him and he doesn’t have the 3 year script to work from.
Now, Witten as character guy and RW2. Williams supposedly called out Witten. Why? Because he felt Witten did something wrong. And he must have felt pretty strongly about it to do so because he knows Witten’s rep and RW2 is the new guy in town who didn’t exactly have a great year. But yet he still apparently called Witten out. It sounds as though RW2 just went by what he thought happened this year and not on Witten’s rep. That’s what I’m doing, too. I have always been a huge Witten fan since he played with the broken jaw his rookie year. I’m extremely disappointed that I’ve lost respect in him, but this is the position I find myself in. You have to constantly update your mental database with new information, and that’s what I’m doing. The Werder stuff was Exhibit A to me, and the Cole info is Exhibit B. I hope Witten wasn’t behind this stuff, but I believe he was. I also wish he and Tony didn’t go to Cabo last year, but they did. You can disparage my judgment in doling out respect as much as you like, but it is simply based on the information I’ve received. If I’m wrong and Witten isn’t behind this stuff I’ll be happy to recant and to restore my full confidence in Witten again. For now, it’s not there.
3. My ‘defense’ of Owens is not riddled with inconsistencies, but your reading comprehension and logical process may be. Don’t assume mutual exclusivity where it does not exist.
Owens is fragile and confrontational, but that doesn’t mean Romo or anyone else has to give in to him. That’s my advice to Romo: Don’t placate T.O., just play your own game. You don’t have to get into a public showdown with him or try to show him up with harsh language in front of the team like McChoke did, just blow him off and run the offense. I HATED the forced throws to T.O. that resulted in INT’s and lost drives. If T.O. wants to bitch, let him bitch. Keep your own focus and stay above that. If you need to yell at T.O., go ahead and yell at him. I think that’s fine. Unlike the McNabb situation, this one’s already been blown up by The Coward and others. So, the feud already exists or whatever. McNabb initiated the Philly thing and it went from there. This flame is already burning hot, there’s nothing to start in this case. And, unlike with Philly, T.O. still likes Romo whereas he hated McNabb. Different circumstances. The more assertive Romo is, the better. And I mean that. Just don’t try to be a punk like McNabb was, and go outside of your normal personality to try to punk out T.O., a guy who still is in your corner even if he thinks you may be able to practice better. Listening to future Hall of Famers isn’t necessarily a bad idea, even if T.O. has his own performance issues (drops, routes).
4. Nobody works harder than T.O., that is a known fact. No. 1 all time receiver guy always had issues with T.O., and that is because No.2 (or 3 {Moss}) all time receiver guy outshone him at the end of his SF days. Does T.O. run bad routes? He can, sure. Did he fall asleep in meetings? Yep, sounds like he did. Did Haley argue with Boldin during the Eagles game? Yep. Did the Cards go to the Super Bowl? Yep. Is T.O. better than Boldin? Yep, at least for his career. If the Cards can get to the dance with Boldin, the ’Boyz can get there with T.O.
T.O. still has top-level speed and is in sick shape because of his work ethic. Ask Jim Johnson of the Eagles. He told Parcells, I believe, that no one works harder than T.O. That’s a defensive, old school coach saying that, too. Hard work doesn’t always give great results — ask Shaq about free throws on that score. But you can’t be great if you dont work hard. T.O. works his tail off. I wish T.O. had better hands, but that doesn’t mean he’s not working on it. He’s always been that way, and some guys are better at this than others.
We’ve all seen the highlights of T.O. chasing down guys on interceptions and blocking downfield on runs. Does that mean T.O. doesn’t cut routes short? No. Does T.O. run perfect routes? I guess not. Can he work on that last thing? Yes. Can Jason Witten work on turning around on the last plays of games that lead to INT’s? Yes. Can Romo work on not throwing idiotic INT’s in big spots? Yes. Does any of this mean T.O. doesn’t work hard? No. Is T.O. widely accepted to be one of the hardest working guys in the NFL? Yes. You do not look, or perform, as T.O. does at his age without working your rear end off. T.O. is faster now than he used to be, or at least as fast. That isn’t an accident.
by PaulFVillarreal on Feb 10, 2009 9:13 AM CST up reply actions
What evidence do you have that JG called out TO, first he does not do many interviews with
the media, two when he did make a comment at the senior bowl all he said was “I respect TO as a player, and we’ll leave it at that”; not a commendation but far from calling him out and making insinuations like TO has done. Witten has nothing but good things to say about TO as well and says matter of fact that TO’s presense makes him a better TE because of the attention he gets from the defense. Do you think Witten would need to be so descriptive if he loathed TO and wanted him gone, he could have kept all his answers short. Romo has never said to the media something like TO has: “I can’t throw it and catch it” in his case it could be “I can only put the ball in his area I can’t catch the ball or be in the right location for him” as an example. When has Romo thrown TO under the bus? When has Romo been on the sideline giving TO the cold shoulder (like McNabb)? Not one interview that he has done says anything else other than supporting his teammate. Now this latest interview he had with Babe was a very diplomatic answer, you may try to conceive that now he is perhaps less supportive due to his last statement about TO. I would say the answer he gave is from someone who realizes that with all the discussions about TO possibly being cut he does not want to say anything that will used to say that he had influence over that decision. But you know what I hope they do cut him, not because it’s what is right or wrong but because then you can feel satisfied if dallas fails; you can come back and say I told ya so.
I want this to happen to put this discussion to rest and see next year if the offense can do anything without TO; I know it is a risk but I have more faith in the offense without him than with him at this point. If TO is in decline he will be the last one to acknowledge the fact that he cannot be the No.1 option anymmore and most likely not accept a lesser role.
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The evidence that JG called out T.O.
…is from the circulated report that Garrett was playing a “him or me” game with T.O. while he was on his coaching search that he got punked out on. That’s been out there. If you didn’t get the memo, that isn’t my fault. I will tell you this, though, for future reference: I never bring up anything that hasn’t got sources or reporting behind it. Can I vouch for that report? No. Was that information out there? Yes.
I don’t want Dallas to fail, that is one reason why I want T.O. to stay in the fold. I don’t want to be correct about the team being better off without him. Being correct in a bad situation is no solace, at least not to me.
by PaulFVillarreal on Feb 10, 2009 8:14 AM CST up reply actions
A speculative report, just like the ones you base your assertion that Witten is a liar,
the same stories that say TO is a cancer, they are all in the same arena of credibilty. So as far as I am concerned TO is as much a cancer on this team as JG wants him to go. None of the stories have more weight than the other so it’s just your opinion and my opinion. Also you last statement contradicts itself “I don’t want Dallas to fail, that is one reason why I want T.O. to stay in the fold. I don’t want to be correct about the team being better off without him.” Your belief is not that the team will be better off without him, it’s that it will fail without him.
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Here's the difference in 'speculative reports'
…ones given by cowards to Ed Werder don’t name the players making the accusations. The report about Williams and Gurode calling out Witten did name the players involved. If I have to choose between two competing reports, I’m going with the more specific one every time, until proven otherwise. Do you think someone just magically came up with Gurode, of all people, and newbie Roy Williams to call out Witten? I don’t. Is it possible? Yes. Do I think that the report was made up? No. You are free to choose what you want to believe, and to drink the JG Kool Aid. Have fun.
Again, Garrett was named in the ‘him or me’ report. I read it on ProFootballTalk, among other places. It wasn’t speculative, it was Garrett supposedly saying he didn’t want T.O. back or JG wasn’t coming back. Is the report correct? I don’t know. Are there more specifics about who was making the accusation than the cowardly info delivered by Werder? Yes. Did Garrett lose his negotiating leverage when no team chose to give him an offer? Yes. Is Garrett back in the fold? Yes. Would Garrett have made less money as St. Louis’ head coach, supposedly, than if he stays on to try to rectify his sophomore slump in Dallas as an assistant? Yes.
My last statement was written wrong, that is correct. Thanks for pointing that out. It should read:
"I don’t want Dallas to fail, that is one reason why I want T.O. to stay in the fold. I don’t want to be correct about the team not being better off without him."
by PaulFVillarreal on Feb 10, 2009 8:35 AM CST up reply actions
We will agree to disagree, I do not feel that your belief in these stories has any
real validation over the idea that TO has been a problem where ever he has been. I would also say that the gurode and RW calling JW out angle swings both ways. First, if it was true, then why has no one asked them about that specific situation, wouldn’t the media want to know from the two if they had indeed called out JW? Second they could have said somthing for to show their defense of TO or their defense of JW but instead have chosen to remain silient. I do no know of any other sources that mention the Gurode and RW angle other than PTF; remember that NFL fanhaus cribs from PFT and that could be one of the other sources you know of besides PTF.
I take exception to the idea that JW is a liar, the guy has been a good teammate, he doesn’t complain, he works hard too, he plays through injury, and he does not throw anyone under the bus (this is a not a comparrison to TO). So from everything we have seen from witten he carries himself as a professional; so as far as I am concerned I am willing to take what witten says at face value; until someone from the team comes out and publicly calls him out.
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Fair enough
For what it’s worth, Galloway asked Witten, indirectly, about the ‘call out’ incident. And Witten denied it, essentially. And that is another instance where I think Witten is lying. If he’s not lying, let Werder name his sources. T.O will say things on the record, I wish others would do the same.
I don’t recall if PFT was the source of the Gurode/Williams thing. They may have been. Not sure. PFT was the source of the “him or me” thing with Garrett, but that was a different report.
I have always been an enormous Witten fan, and it saddens me to think now that he’s a liar. But that is what I think and I hope I am shown to be wrong in the future.
One further thing: There is a difference between Witten’s and T.O.‘s circumstances, and that is why people like myself are more vocal. One guy is trying to be forced off the team by outside forces, and one isn’t. I think this is being done for the wrong reasons. So, it doesn’t matter if I think Witten lied, he’s not going anywhere. For T.O., though, the consequences of getting all this info correct are much more important. And that is why I feel it is essential that more than just the Peter King-type garbage is put out regarding Terrell, because so much is at stake.
by PaulFVillarreal on Feb 10, 2009 9:23 AM CST up reply actions
He was also on the NFL Network with Deon calling him a mole
before the interview but does not ask him any questions, it was Jamie who had the balls to bring up the TO issue and Witten denied it there too. But I agree that the media does have an axe to grind with TO. As far as TO staying or going is concerned I really do consider myself like Raf in that I am agnostic, he stays fine, he goes fine. But as some of raf’s analysis shows that this year could be (I preface it could be) an indicator that he is in decline and may drop off more next year is also a possibility, would TO be able to reconcile himself to a lesser role in the offense? I would venture to say no, he maybe the last one to see that his skills may have diminished and that he can still be a homerun threat by going deep but the amount of throws his way should be reconsidered if his play has fallen off.
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Thanks, Cowboy
…great info.
I really like Jamie Dukes’ work. Yes, he’s more of a ‘players’ guy, but you need that to balance some of the player haters.
Many in the media, as you know, hate T.O. and will do all they can to make things miserable for him. It’s BS.
Raf’s analysis of T.O. scared the hell out of me. That’s the first thing I saw that made me think I may not be too sad if T.O. goes. Still, with the salary cap ramifications being what they are, I would like to see him stay because I think he can help next year, especially with a full training camp of RW2, Felix Jones and Choice. T.O. can still do a lot of damage (in a good sense) on the football field, especially if he can get some single coverage. I think so, anyways.
I agree with you, though — he should be targeted less, or at least that should really be looked at in keeping with the kind of analysis Raf did.
Thanks, again.
by PaulFVillarreal on Feb 10, 2009 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
First let me say thank you for this spirited discussion, and I am
glad we could keep on message and feel that we could express our opinions without getting snippy. I would like to pose the question again. If we agree that TO may no longer be the main target of the offense, would TO’s personality be able to accept the idea that he may only get a more even distribution of the ball?
I do agree that in single coverage he is still a threat.
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It's a great question, Cowboy
And I’m not sure what the answer is. I think if the team were doing well, yes, T.O. would be able to handle it. But I could be wrong about that conclusion.
Thanks a lot for a great discussion, and have an excellent night.
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by PaulFVillarreal on Feb 10, 2009 9:59 PM CST up reply actions
A small point that relates to this, when Darren Woodson says if you have to make a
choice between JG or TO you take JG because he feels that in the future he will be a successful coordinator and eventually a HC; TO will only be around for at most two more years. Darren is a man of high character and gives his opinion in regards to a business decision not a personal one. I take what DW has to say with serious weight for a franchise that he cares for and makes time for.
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I love Darren
…and have huge respect for him. What he says has to be listened to, in my opinion.
To me, though, there’s no dilemma. Garrett is back, already. The bluff, if it existed, has been called. You’re going to pay more cash to have T.O. walk. Bring the guy back, calm people down, retain last year’s best playmaker and make peace. Where’s the fire, in other words?
What Woody said implies that the report I read was correct — that is, that there was a ‘him or me’ situation started by Garrett. Or it seems to, anyways.
by PaulFVillarreal on Feb 10, 2009 8:38 AM CST up reply actions
You can read it that way if you want to but have you listened to the Lunch Break
sessions he has been on? I do not think that he believes that JG was making a power play but was answering a hypothetical situation if you had to make a choice what would it be? The quesiton came up because of the rumors and speculative reporting not because he believes it to be the case, he brought up the question to cut to the chase, regardless of whether or not it was accurate, DW gave his opinion.
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Ok
But the fact that he raised it at all leads me to think that this info wasn’t coming from a sole source, the “him or me” thing. Thanks for the info.
by PaulFVillarreal on Feb 10, 2009 9:25 AM CST up reply actions
Taking the Owens apologia to new heights
Paul:
I just examined this one paragraph again that begins: “As far as T.O. here in Dallas, again I go to the ‘coward’ and Not Ready for Prime Time, Cabo Guy Romo as the culprits. T.O. has been very calm in Dallas, relatively speaking. Should he have bitched to Deion about plays? No. That’s when the team was sucking, Romo was out and they were like 5-4. Once things started to get in gear there wasn’t much of anything. Until Werder Gate and cowardly leaks.”
I have already listed for you my recollection over the last 3 years of how “calm” Owens has been. But really, the lid on Pandora’s box came off when Owens went on national TV to call out both his offensive coordinator and quarterback. You may respect the fact that he did it openly, and not as an anonymous source, but he did it nonetheless. It was only 3 weeks later that the Werder story broke. Yet, you excuse Owens, but blame Romo and Witten?? Nonsense.
No, there you go with the dichotomy again
…this isn’t an ‘apologia.’ As I mentioned above, I am plenty critical of T.O. This is about whether or not he is staying on the team. He should stay, that is my position. Witten and Romo aren’t on the chopping block, T.O. is.
The Deion interview came with Dallas at 6-4 and fighting for their season. Romo, at best, was only mentioned in passing but once in the interview, when T.O. said that he could not throw and catch the ball. The entire interview was essentially about Garrett, and how T.O. wanted to help the team make the playoffs by being more involved. Which would make sense, since he was the top yardage and TD producer on the squad. Should he have done the interview? No. Did he call out any teammates? No. Was Garrett’s offense whacked last year? Yes, ask the Ravens and other teams. It was predictable, and the league had caught up with it. T.O. was right on that count.
Now, contrast what T.O. said to Deion with the Werder crap. T.O., by name, was depicted as delusional, selfish, jealous and such by The Coward and others. Right before one of the final three games of the season in the midst of a real playoff drive at 8-5. T.O. was then booed at home while Coward and Romo were cheered. When T.O. had the chance to take a shot at Witten after the game he did not, instead ripping Werder. HUGE differences. I hope you are able to see them.
I am not excusing T.O. for anything, and did not write that. This is about whether or not Owens should stay, not about whether or not I think he is blameless or without flaws.
by PaulFVillarreal on Feb 10, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
Good post, but...
Paul, you raise some really good points, especially about the apparent fact that (at least) 4 other offensive players seem to be in T.O.’s corner in this thing. Let me address a few of your points.
1) I actually think we agree on a lot of this stuff. I haven’t been a T.O. hater, and I’m not now. I despise the Pete King/Werder/etc. axis. I really do. To me, T.O. is a cost/benefit analysis question. I think the costs now outweight the benefits.
2) I don’t remotely think T.O. is Mephistophales. I think he’s more like Achilles. T.O is a legitimately great guy. (thus my use of the term “mensch.”) There are people in life who are legitimately great and likeable, and will be rightfully seen as such by almost everyone they encounter. But those people may, in certain situations, have incredible weaknesses that make them professional liabilities in certain contexts. Gurode defended TO in the Werder affair, and rightly so. The Werder thing was crap, though I think the source was Jimmy Sexton (the agent for Parcells and Witten, who has a longstanding relationship with Werder). But last year, you had NFL analyst after NFL analyst watching tape of the Boys saying a) TO is running sloppy “chasing cats out there” pass routes and b) TO isn’t getting off the line like he used to. I’ve never heard TO ever ever say “I need to play better.”
3) My post was really a way to try and make sense out of the apparent paradox that a) so many people like TO but b) he has huge “falling outs” with QB’s and coaches everywhere he goes. To me, the only way to make sense of it is, as Hugh Douglas recently said in a recent partial defense of TO, is that he’s “like a 5 year old.” He has very little emotional maturity. He needs more verbal stroking than the average star. Contra Larry Fitzgerald, who thanks Todd Haley for “keeping his foot on my throat” and worries that he will get the “Kurt Warner death stare,” Owens can’t accept negative feedback. That would be something that would not be super apparent to defensive players, and while it might be apparent to his friends on offense, Roy and PC (at least) seem to have their own problems accepting responsibility. This doesn’t make Romo/Garrett/Witten blameless, and this doesn’t mean cutting TO is the cure for the team’s issues. If I had to choose to cure only one of the two main offseason issues, I’d take “Jerry changes” any day. But I think that’s less likely to happen.
by TimSchultz36 on Feb 10, 2009 9:06 AM CST up reply actions
Good post
And count me in as “not a TO hater” but just a Cowboy fan. And the conumdrum posed by Owens is best viewed as a cost-benefit analysis. If he did not have significant benefits, he would have been gone a long time ago. But read this site for the numerous hand-wringings about Romo maturing and developing as a leader of this team (something we universally should support), and then try to reconcile that goal with a key player who can’t accept any criticism or accountability? If fact, Owens is a microcosm of all that ails the ’08 version of the Cowboys—long on talent and reputation, short on execution and taking responsibility, which is why releasing him would send a very possible message to the rest of the team.
Great stuff, Tim
…and I appreciate your thoughtful response. I know my post likely seemed like an attack at you, personally, but it was not intended to be. My post was about the general gist of what you are saying, though it is clear that you are thinking about this at a much higher level than many who simply want T.O. gone. Thanks for your kindness and calmness.
1. Peter King and Werder are T.O. haters, plain and simple. They’re punks. I have no respect for them at all. They’re Joe Blow with a megaphone and think they are some great surveyors of truth. Not. They’re simply more insistent and have more resources to spread and cultivate the message they want to put out then Joe Blow does.
I respect what you are saying about the cost-benefit analysis. It’s a fair point, and many feel as you do.
2. T.O. as Achilles is great. Nice work. I absolutely could see The Coward being Sexton, no doubt. That idea has been floated and it makes sense. I love Witten, always have and it kills me to think that it’s him and that he’s lying about it being him and such. I just want these insane T.O. leaks to stop, whoever(s) it is.
T.O. is not a master route runner, but he runs his routes reasonably well (at least when he finishes them), it seems. He should continue to work on that aspect of his game, however, and I’m not going to make excuses for his failings in that regard. It should be noted, though, that many of the NFL analysts don’t like Owens. People like Carter, Keyshawn, etc come to mind. Any shot that can be taken at him will be taken.
T.O. does not get off the line as he once did, that is likely the biggest dropoff in his game. I think this has to do with quickness, and it is why T.O. faces press coverage so much. Changing directions and the start-stop isn’t as easy as you age, even though T.O. still has outstanding sprint speed straight ahead. I agree with you and the analysts about this, there really isn’t any way to deny it in my opinion. That said, T.O. can still produce and especially so when you have weapons like F. Jones, Choice and RW2 more integrated. RW2 was acquired, in part, to help T.O. see less double teams. My point is that I think T.O. can still be very effective if he has other good players around him and he is used properly.
3. Your post was good, and I’m sorry that I came with an attitude that I was taking you on personally. That was my fault. I understood and understand what your point was and you’re right on. T.O. is incredibly child-like, no doubt about it. He cannot handle negative criticism and he feels he has to respond to every challenge that comes his way. I guess my thing is that I feel that if you can harness his passion he can be an enormous weapon. The guy who did the hyperbaric chamber for the Super Bowl after the leg injury and the workout fiend and competitive guy who always shows up for big games can help the team, that is my belief. I don’t want to see that thrown away, especially for more money, because of possibly weak-willed characters on the club or because of the Peter Kings of the world. Guys like T.O. don’t come along that often, and I just want to see him unleashed for us in a good way. Maybe that can’t happen; maybe it’s too late. But I don’t feel ready to give up on that yet and I think that it should be given another go round, particularly with the salary structure as it is and how he would affect the cap this year.
What you said is clear and sensible, Tim. Thanks for writing this second post and for being more level-headed than I often am. Take care, friend. Glad to have you as a fellow fan and we’ll see how this all plays out.
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by PaulFVillarreal on Feb 10, 2009 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
I like me some Paul...
Thanks for the gracious response…I never mistook your passion for a personal attack. One beef: you manage to weave into your posts Mephistophales and Occam…but you fail to explain the Cowboys’ offseason through the lens of Nicomachean Ethics? I must say Paul…you’re slipping…
Kidding aside, one takeaway from all of the palace intrigue is that there is so much information and pseudo information out there on the Cowboys that one can support pretty much any conclusion she/he wants. It’s quite hard to tease out the reliability of the sources, and so no matter where you fall on these questions, one can always cite to some decent source backing it up. This makes it difficult to figure out what’s what. Here’s what I’ve come to believe:
1) All right thinking people can agree that Ed Werder is ambulance chasing scum. Skip Bayless with a moustache.
2) I take as authentic the reports that Stephen Jones is leaning toward pushing TO out. Stephen was last seen gushing on the phone on Hard Knocks about TO’s dominant camp. TO reminds me a little of Shaquille O’Neal. Shaq worked in Miami because he became the #2 guy. He humbled himself enough to make it DWade’s team. Football is different, of course, but the principle is the same. Stars that are no longer at their elite level can win, but only if they accept a key but reduced role. I think TO’s slipped. You think TO’s slipped. Everyone thinks TO’s slipped! Everyone except TO. If TO were doing to do a “Jerry Rice goes to Oakland” gig, I think he’s worth what we’re paying. But I don’t think he’s willing. He still thinks he’s Jerry Rice in SF, and that’s incompatible with how we’re trying to construct our roster.
by TimSchultz36 on Feb 10, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
In regards to your second paragraph I believe the msm likes it that way because
then the stories can take countless directions and lead to several stories during one of the slowest periods in the sports calander (until march madness).
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
Thanks for a great discussion, Tim
And you’re right — I am slipping. I should have worked Aristotle and his writings into my post, and I failed on that account. Heh heh. :)
You’re right on about the amount of information out there and how it can be used to prop up almost any viewpoint one wants to take. Good point.
1. Gosh I can’t stand Ed Werder. Or Peter King.
2. I agree with you about Stephen. He does seem to be of the opinion that T.O. should go. And that has to be taken into account, especially, as you say, considering where Stephen was about T.O. during training camp.
You might be right — T.O. just might not be able to handle being a #2, especially given his childlike nature. If that is the case, then it’s probably time to ship him out, particularly given Rafael Vela’s recent statistical analysis of where T.O.’s abilities were this past season.
Tim, thanks for a great discussion you started with your initial post. Thanks also to Cowboy78 and NCCowboy. We all care about the team and it’s great to talk with other passionate Cowboys fans in a fun, civil way.
Take care, guys.
by PaulFVillarreal on Feb 10, 2009 10:06 PM CST up reply actions
boring
What a bunch of boring, level-headed, correct-perspective posts about the “emotional” issues bogging down the Cowboys.
Yawn. Where are the screeching yahoos to balance out cogent thought?
Tony Romo!
Will never be anything because he’s spending too much time being a frat boy!
…..is that better? haha
a leader...
is someone that leads by example…but also someone that inspires others to win, if not for themselves – then for them…
think Bill Parcells as an example…..how many times did you hear a player say ’ i just want to win for the guy – i feel like i have failed him if we lose…."
think about Michael Irvin crying after losses early in his career or on the sidelines during Switzer’s last season (6-10)
think about Aikman getting in a lineman’s face after a blown assignment…..
NOBODY ever questioned that these guys wanted to win – it was obvious that these guys wanted to win and they inspired others to the next level to win for them….that’s where i question Romo…everytime the guy opens his mouth he says the right thing – but then he goes on to add a caveat or a rationalization and it drives me crazy….not only does it drive me crazy but it disturbs me because if you dont have that will to win – then its unlikely that you can lead a team to a championship
the thinking that you lead by just going out and doing your job is incorrect….for every Trent Dilfer or Eli Manning there are 5 Aikmans/Montanas/Youngs/Bradshaws…those are the facts
Ray Lewis leads the Ravens by example – but he also raises the level of the lesser-lights around him….you dont see him saying in the warmups ‘lets go get em guys – but if we dont win – its ok – its not what defines us….we can still be happy’…..this guy goes out on the field willing to put everything on the line to win
everytime Romo talks about something he always has to downplay the significance of it….yeah – i want to win – but if i dont – i can still be happy….yeah – its good to have vocal leaders but somebody yelling at people doesn’t work…we’re not 17-18 year olds…..
then what does work Tony?? what drives you??
the guy could just say – look, we have an awesome team, we have had a phenomenal opportunity with the team we have had over the last 2 years and we blew it…..the window closes quickly in this era of free agency and the salary cap and i’m going to be on the wrong side of 30 very soon…we need to seize the opportunity before it is gone because nobody will ever remember how good this team was if we dont win it all – end of story
if the guy could say that – i would do a cartwheel…
Now we're talking git er done
and not roll his eyes either.
don't kid yourself
Romo is extremely driven with a burning desire to win…I think thats obvious, don’t let his philosophical comments fool you.
In Romo we Trust
extremely driven with a burning desire to win.....
but if he doesn’t – its not going to phase him…..who is kidding who Terry???
look – i am a Romo fan for the most part….i have been here through all the QB fiascos since 2000 and believe me – this guy has more talent than all of Aikman’s successors put together and I wholeheartedly believe that the best thing for this franchise is to work with this guy and get his head straight…..100% better option than trading for someone else or drafting someone….he is by far our best option….and not just because of salary cap or the window of opportunity for this team – i think this guy’s skill set should have him in the top 3 QBs in the NFL every year
what worries me is the things that you can’t teach – like heart….and also the cerebral things like not chucking up ducks to Ed Reed on 2nd & 3, tucking the ball when you run through the pocket…not focing the ball into the endzone….
maybe the guy is just a knucklehead??? i mean, i hang out with knuckleheads every day – they are endearing….but most of them can’t be changed…and they can’t lead either…they need to be supervised at all times and told what to do
it will phase him
he just doesn’t want everyone to know it does. Romo is all heart, thats one of things that make him special, the things you can’t see.
Romo is actually the opposite of a knucklehead, your preception of him couldn’t be more wrong.
In Romo we Trust
Romo is a 'cutesie boy', still thinking he can...
get by on his personality and talent. As far as Romo’s leadership goes, he needs to lead through on field production. He needs to have his team mates believe that if they do their jobs, Romo will make great things happen. Much like Aikman, in that regard, he does not need to cheerlead, he just needs to produce. The ball has to be delivered on time with accuracy. That was what Aikman was all about. Everyone knew that with time, Troy could get the ball exactly where it should be. Couple that with Romo’s ablity to escape and still make a play and we’ve really got something. Last year, Romo’s throws were all over the place. Finger healed, Romo should be a much better QB this year. On another note, I hope Owens is working on his ball catching techniques. He has far too many drops for a number one receiver.
Family, Friends, Cowboys, Beer & BBQ. Life is good!
Romo should watch 'Missing Rings'. If he goes into retirement...
without an SB win, he may well be ‘what-iffing himself forever. I don’t want to see that happen. This team has great players. Tony should be able to get them to the SB with any luck at all.
Family, Friends, Cowboys, Beer & BBQ. Life is good!
Vanderjagt has RW1's back
He was a 4-3 kicker and the new scheme messed him up.
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
Romo doesn't have to shout and cuss on the sidelines
But every once and awhile he needs to be louder than T.O.!
Grew up
What Tony really needs to decide is to be an NFL QB not a Celebrity QB! There is nothing wrong to getting into players faces when needed or patting them on the back when needed, ala Payton and Brady….
He needs to stop his go luck act… notice he is like a lost puppy on the side line after an interception sitting by himself and holding his head between his hand… I tell, as player it doesn’t provide much confidence in me when I see my QB/leader shows lack of confidence.
I agree
He needs to quit that sulking appearance on the sideline after INT’s, or other bad plays. He needs to appear calm on the outside even with turmoil on the inside, like Capt. Sully described himself during the emergency plane landing in the Hudson River.
Feb. 18-24 -- NFL Scouting Combine
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
+1 Capt Sully should be brought in to inspire these ass clowns..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 9, 2009 9:08 PM CST up reply actions
Or
to land a plane on them
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 9, 2009 9:11 PM CST up reply actions
Not quite
He needs to stop the stupid plays and give-me interceptions and then there won’t be a need for the pouting on the sidelines.
by steelyeyedmissle on Feb 10, 2009 12:35 AM CST up reply actions
Romo still doesn't get it.
Most people who don’t understand what leadership on a football team means simply equate criticism they get for not being leaders to fans wanting them to shout at other players. I would normally assume that they are just making an intellectually dishonest argument because they just don’t know how to defend themselves otherwise, but in Romo’s case, I don’t think he gets it. A quarterback is a field general. He’s the player that inspires the rest of his unit through his focus, his fire, and his attitude. We saw little of those things from Romo this year. When he made a disastrous play, especially in December, he would get that goofy little “I’m okay, you’re okay, we’re all okay” look on his face and in an “aw shucks” manner, amble over to the sideline. That kind of attitude will kill an offense. The reason Aikman is justifiably revered as a great quarterback is because he was intensely focused on every play. When he made a mistake, you had confidence that he was going to get to the sideline, review the play pics, talk to his OC and figure out how to fix the problem. His players knew that, when he came back on the field, he was going to be even more focused and determined. He expected great things of his teammates and, more times than not, they gave him that effort. Romo doesn’t inspire that kind of confidence in his teammates and you can see it on the field.
All we heard last night was a guy that obviously feels unjustly criticized for a bad result that could have happened to anybody. After all, if he can play 10 years and win a title or two, then he’s exceeded expectations. Does Tom Brady look at it that way? Did Aikman? Hell no. They took the field expecting to win every game. Anything less than the Super Bowl was a failure to those guys. Knowing your field commander feels that way gives you a boost and inspires confidence. With Romo, you get the goofy grin and the pouty “why is everyone picking on me” attitude when things don’t go well. Does that really inspire confidence? Does it make you think, “This guy is going to get it right on the next series, and I’ll be damned if I’m the guy that lets him down”? You’re lying to yourself if you think it does.
Romo has incredible talent. If he ever grows up and decides he really wants to win something, he’s going to be unstoppable. Until then, we’d better get used to sickening Decembers and short playoff runs in those seasons we manage to sneak into the playoffs.
Wow I think you just described what I see on the sidelines
in the head coach. Something that bothered me besides Wades’ looks of indifference though. How many times did you see Romo and JG looking at pre-snap pics of defensive alignments, or even talking at all? Every other game I saw last year that didn’t involve the Cowboys I could swear I was seeing this same scenario.
I think there is an inherent dysfunction between our 2 head coaches and it bled out all over the team last year.
Jason Garrett is the major reason for Romo's regression
as noted above, they are never in discussion on the side lines, and he doesn’t present Romo with packages to excel or regain confidence in……
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 10, 2009 12:01 AM CST up reply actions
I have seen them several times sitting down and going over slides of the game while the
defense is on the field.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
A post for the HoF
I couldn’t have said it any better, and I’ve tried many times. We’re all Tony Romo fans, we want him to be what we know he is capable of being. If he doesn’t get the mental part you described, it will never happen. BTW, I also agree with CowboysRnumba1, Garrett isn’t helping him.
by StillHateTheGiants on Feb 10, 2009 7:52 AM CST up reply actions
If you didn't implicitly exonerate the O line, the receivers, the defense, and the
coaching staff for their failures, I might take your post more seriously. I must have watched a different interview, since I missed the pouting and since it sounded to me like Romo repeatedly said that he and everyone else on the team has to practice harder, play better, be more intense. I suppose he could put on a hair shirt and whip himself bloody to please some of the so-called fans, but then they’d complain that he didn’t scourge himself hard enough.
I wouldn't call myself
a “romo Hater”. Hate is such a strong word and I don’t think the majority of people on here hate Romo. We definitely think he needs to show some maturity and make smarter decisions. Why is it if someone criticizes Romo, you have to go to the extreme and call us haters? Romo is human, he makes mistakes, both on the field and off, but never call me a hater.
I agree, and I also agree that Romo has some learning left to do. But the
intensity of the criticism (and even dislike or hate at times) amazes me, particularly when so much less onus is put on a whole lot of other people who bear a whole lot of responsibility for what went wrong, too. The “if only Romo were just like Troy, and the Cowboys would win” schtick is getting old.
I don't just blame Romo for all the things
that went on this past year. What I don’t understand, though, is some people want to give Romo a free pass, but have been really nasty towards Roy Williams. I know Roy Williams has a lot of issues and I don’t even know if I want him on the team, but IMO Romo has screwed up just as many games as Roy EX-Pitt. and so when there are some people that act like Romo doesn’t do anything wrong, it kinda get to you. I really think Romo could use a good publicist and someone to work with him.
I have no problem with people calling out Romo for whatever
boneheaded thing he does, and he’s certainly done some. But it’s the level of anger at him that bothers me; nothing he says will be right or enough. I watched that interview, too, and I can’t figure out what people are finding to ream him out for now. If he says his life doesn’t end if the Cowboys lose, he sucks. If he says that he’s going to work harder and play the game harder, he somehow misunderstands his role. Whatever. The few people around here who are truly giving him free passes aren’t any worse than the folks here who will blame it all on Romo while ignoring every other unit on that team that didn’t do it’s job when it counted.
I never called you out as a hater
I’m sick and tired of fans unfairly criticizing him as though he is directly responsible for the failings of the Cowboys, it’s absolutely ridiculous.
I just think it’s a shame for Cowboys fans to constantly throw him under the bus when so many other players, who are as equally at fault, get a pass.
It’s always Romo’s fault.
In Romo we Trust
Romo is responsible
for his own repeated failings, not the teams.
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 10, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
Football is a team sport
His failings are related to other teammates failings. Romo doesn’t play qb in a vaccum.
In Romo we Trust
If he throws an idiotic interception
that is his failing.
If someone misses a block or a tackle, or drops a pass that is their failing. The team may or may not overcome all of the individual failings that occur in a game.
Of course they don’t play in a vaccuum, but that doesn’t mean that a player can’t fail on an isolated play. I am not discussing wins and losses, but individual responsibilities. To say football is a team sport is trite; players have tasks to perform and team success depends on the cumulation of those tasks.
For instance, when Romo botched a perfect snap in Seattle, he completely failed on that play, and that failure is his sole responsibility. Even you wouldn’t deny that. If Ladouceur had snapped the ball over his head, it would be his failing.
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 11, 2009 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
and Romo's isolated failings are few and far between
they don’t happen as much as you think. If you look at his INTs this season, about 6 were PURELY his fault and no others.
In Romo we Trust
strange....I feel the same way about TO Terry...yet you criticize him regularly
I’m sick and tired of fans unfairly criticizing him as though he is directly responsible for the failings of the Cowboys, it’s absolutely ridiculous.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 15, 2009 10:19 PM CST up reply actions
Where did I implicitly exonerate anybody?
The topic is Romo. I therefore addressed ROMO. As to what he could have said differently, the answer is “nothing.” Frankly, I would have rather he kept his mouth shut and done his future talking on the field. But since he just had to address the issue in an interview, he has to be accountable for what he said and how he said it. He said they all have to play better, certainly. But that isn’t exactly saying anything that wasn’t painfully obvious. He spent the majority of the interview trying to explain why his cavalier approach at the end of the season shouldn’t really be held against him. And then he tried to explain how talking had zero effect on him, etc. He basically said that if he’s going to suck, that’s just the way it is and nobody saying anything to him is going to change it. That’s not accountability. Why should the rest of the offense have any confidence that Romo will ever have enough focus to win the big one?
As to the performance of the rest of the offense: the o-line stunk, their performance cannot be defended. Period. The receivers pouted their way through December, but considering that when Romo managed to throw a pass in their direction it was so horribly off target more times than not, their frustration was understandable. As to how to respond to that adversity, they decided to bitch rather than help figure out how to make the situation better. They started running poor routes and, in some cases, just plain loafing. But then, their QB obviously didn’t think the losing and their inability to move the football was such a big deal, so why should they bust their ass when their field general was so indifferent. That’s not right, but that’s typically what happens when a QB doesn’t have the respect and confidence of his unit. I can’t fault Choice or MBIII, and Witten is the only guy that never seems to take a play off or let adversity affect his effort on the field. Hell, he even tried to deflect some of the criticism Romo caught for the Pitt game in an effort to protect the guy that is supposed to be the unit leader. He’s a class act all around.
What makes a leader is not how he acts when the team is winning—it’s how he handles himself in the face of adversity. A QB is like the captain of a combat company—even when he doesn’t know what to do, he sure as hell better act like he does or he’s going to lose the confidence of his troops. When you look at Romo after a bad series or a turnover, you just don’t see that in his eyes. Like I said above, with his talent, if he ever develops the edge that you see in guys like Brady or Aikman, he’s going to be unbeatable. Until then, he’s going to keep the Pokes at .500 or better, but he’s not going to get them over the top. As for the comments about “haters” and “so-called fans”, all that kind of crap does is degenerate these discussions into slap fights. I think we all want to see the Cowboys succeed. If we didn’t, those of us that are “haters” wouldn’t care enough to comment. I want Romo to get better, but he shook my confidence this season. I saw some things that have me worried about his prospects for long term success as the QB of my team. I, like many fans, am not satisfied unless the Cowboys win the championship—EVERY YEAR. I want the QB of my team to have the same attitude. I really don’t want to hear “if I manage to win once or twice, I’m good.” And I doubt his teammates want to hear that either.
it's unrealistic and ridiculous
to think you can the SB every year and thats all Romo was saying.
In Romo we Trust
Sure it is.
If you don’t have the heart of a champion, it is completely realistic to expect not to win. Now, honestly, putting your obvious adoration of Romo aside for a moment, if you were playing on an NFL team on the offense, would you rather be playing with the QB that expects to win every game and demands the best from those around him? Or would you rather play with the guy that grins in an “oh well” manner when he makes a mistake and says, “gee whiz, I guess you can’t win ’em all”?
If you pick option two, you’re lying to yourself.
I think it's possible to have both attitudes
which Romo has, but realistically, even Brady and Manning know deep down they’re not winning the SB every year.
In Romo we Trust
I think we are arguing semantics here.
Of course everyone knows you can’t win every game you play and you aren’t going to win the title every year. When one fierce competitor competes against another fierce competitor, somebody is going to lose. But I will guarantee you that both players enter the game expecting to beat the other one and the one that loses is never going to be satisfied with a loss. Romo’s problem is that his attitude gives the appearance that he’s satisfied. That “gee whiz, I tried my hardest but you just can’t win ’em all” position that he takes, coupled with that scolded child tone he delivers it in, is not a confidence builder to his teammates or to Cowboys fans. He needs to show that he has some fire under his ass, which is the way a leader handles adversity. I hope he changes. I’m certainly rooting for him to change. But if he doesn’t, he’s not going to captain this team to a title.
+1
but take it from experience, Terry will never agree with you. I’ve been arguing with him for weeks to no avail. He has blinders on his eyes with Romo. Either he’s trying to be a devil’s advocate or he’s somehow related to Romo. I can’t figure it out but I sure as heck have never seen a man defend another man like that.
I disagree
I don’t think his teammates care one bit what tone he delivers a post game speech to the press, completely irrelevant.
Romo is as competitive as anyone and I for one see it on the field each and every game, I don’t need to hear it after a loss, makes no difference to me.
In Romo we Trust
yet teammates are really concerned about what TO sez to the media ??
I don’t think his teammates care one bit what tone he delivers a post game speech to the press, completely irrelevant.
locker room divide my azz…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Feb 15, 2009 10:22 PM CST reply actions

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