Cowboys Free Agent Update: Canty Now a Giant
by Rafael Vela on Mar 1, 2009 12:35 PM CST
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PrintUpdate: Canty has signed with the Giants. He received a six-year, $42 million deal with $17.5 million guaranteed.
What to say about this? I think the Cowboys were wise. They:
a.) paid Jay Ratliff first and;
b.) paid him sooner, which means he got a lot less than Canty did today.
Canty had prototype size but not prototype production. He may be better in New York's 4-3, as he always seemed to rush better playing over guards than he did over tackles.
His inconsistency ultimately doomed him at Dallas. Take last year's Redskins loss as a prime example. Canty embarrassed Chris Samuels in the game's first quarter, going through him and around Samuels for a sack and a loss on a running play.
Then, he seemed to take satisfaction in his play and took the rest of the game off. Samuels whipped him in the second half. There's one play where Samuels and Pete Kendall rolled Canty five yards upfield and turned him 180 degrees; Canty was facing the Cowboys goal when Clinton Portis blew past him.
Canty's was one of Dallas' biggest problems the past few seasons. They have far too many 55 minute men and therefore lost too many tight, 60 minute games. Will he finally put it together, or will Canty remain the perennial tease who eventually wore out your patience?
The Giants just paid him a mint for the privilege of finding out.
Update II: Bloggers have tossed around Green Bay DL Colin Cole as a possible Cowboys player of interest. In the last hour he signed a five year, $20 million deal with Seattle, with $5 million guaranteed. Use these deals to guage what Chargers' DE Igor Olsansky is worth.
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Chris Canty continues his cross-country search for a warm, $20 milion pillow for his weary head.
The morning broke with Canty in New York, and NY Daily News blogger Ralph Vacchiano reported that the Giants were toying with the idea of adding him to their DT rotation, though he wanted $15-20 million in guaranteed money.
The latest report from Green Bay has Canty leaving New York, with both sides accepting that a deal there is not meant to be. This interests the Packers, who are desperate to schedule a Canty visit.
Both stories claim that Canty had a verbal offer for approximately $18 million guaranteed from the Redskins; the offer was withdrawn after Washington signed Albert Haynesworth. Sources are quoted who believe at least one of the teams still on Canty's list -- Green Bay, Tennessee, Seattle, San Francisco -- will meet his price.
Which means we're only waiting to see where Canty will land, not whether he will leave.
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News from New England has CB Shawn Springs visiting Foxborough "in the next few days." It's not clear if Springs is a player of interest for Dallas, but they are adopting a New England-style approach this offseason; they're looking for savvy, reasonably-priced veterans -- Rodney Harrison, Junior Seau, Kyle Brady, Randy Moss, Corey Dillon. Springs fits this bill, though Dallas would have to out-Patriot the Patriots if they want him.
Update: here's some info on Brian Dawkins' Broncos contract. It's basically a two-year, $9.5M deal with $7.5M guaranteed. As the linked story points out, if he lasts just one season, he pockets $7.5M, more than the franchise total for a safety.
In other words, he was never a serious option for Dallas.
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Canty
I’d like him back at a reasonable price, and he was a great fourth rounder. However, it is refreshing to see Jerry not throw money at a veteran like he has with much of the o-line, Hamlin, etc. Maybe this is evolution for him.
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
All about 2010
Jerry is trying to survive the mortgage on his new house and one more year of Wade. He really doesn’t have much choice than to keep his powder dry for 2010. The Wildcatter in him is coming out for 2009. Lowball the effort and hope to hit a gusher. He’d rather not have a lot of players tied up in long contracts after this year.
by steelyeyedmissle on Mar 1, 2009 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
this years draft is extremely important
we do not need any superstars but we defenitly need a solid NT, ILB, S, and OLman. we also need to find depth at DE, CB, TE, QB, WR, and OL. lots of needs to fill
I haven't said this yet...
But I love your avatar, and I bet I’m one of the only people who knows what it is.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
It's Capt. America right?
but I don’t know which incarnation
Oh... Oh, that's giving me a clue. Yeah, ye-yeah, I've got a raging clue right now.
I was StarStruck at TBB/BSR, now...
you probably are but...
comic books are coming back due to the growth of graphic novels. thank god. hope i dont ruin it for anyone but it is a shame that they killed off steve rodgers. he is an awesome symbol. I do not know how much i like that part of his history but at least we have earth x, universe x, and paradise x to truly give an appropriate ending to steve’s story.
Who’s the new one, the Bucky Barnes/Winter Soldier guy?
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Yeah...
Ok gotta stop this, I gotta keep my sports seperate haha.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
yeah bucky is the new cap
i think marvel killed him off because they wanted attention. i do not think he is coming back, like so many others. i hope they do not kill him off super quick in the movies. did you hear they are talking about will smith as cap. sorry, but cap has to be aryan it is part of his story in relation to the red skull. more importantly, i cant see will smith as cap.
I looked at the properties of the pic and discovered the "zombie" aspect
then quickly schooled myself on wiki & Marvel. So, I guess it’s actually Colonel not Captain.
Oh... Oh, that's giving me a clue. Yeah, ye-yeah, I've got a raging clue right now.
I was StarStruck at TBB/BSR, now...
I have a feeling Springs will not leave N.E. without a contract, but I love this free agent approach by the Boys. We’re in good company with the Pats, Colts, etc., who employ this approach. Raf, is it true the Pats are looking at Springs as a FS/CB versatile type player?
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
There is talk they are looking at him playing some safety
Springs played in nine games last season, with 36 tackles, one interception and seven passes defensed; there apparently was some talk of having the 6-foot, 207 pounder play some safety.
So...
Who would he supplant there?
Or would he be there just as backup safety?
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
James Sanders, right?
With Meriweather manning the SS spot? At that point you really have two interchangeable guys, not a SS vs. FS situation.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Safety James Sanders resigns with New England....maybe Pat's pass on Springs...
or maybe they still sign him for much needed depth…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 1, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
Harrison is gone, and FS-Sanders is a free agent
leaving a nice hole for Springs to fill…
Does anyone know if Dallas has any players scheduled for a visit?
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
u seroius with that?
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
"AMMIITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHH!!!"
Me too..
I still haveing gotten a call despite great hands and a solid 40 time!
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
heck, i'm up to 285lbs now...maybe they got use for a 41 year old situational rush DE...
I’m pretty sure I can run a better 40 than Ron Brace…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 1, 2009 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
Did anyone catch Rich Eisen (NFL Network) run the 40 again this year..lol
The best thing was they used the program to compare him to other runners……BJ Raja smoked him at 330 lbs..lol. Eisen is about as athletic as a snail..lol
hahahaha that made me laugh really hard
It reminded me of a line from one of my favorite comics
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
Guys I can't make this up....
The Lions and Raiders apparently have players that are lost at sea.
Thats really sad if something happened to them, but if your a Lions or Raiders fan you have to be really wondering what else can happen.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
Reported missing since last night...There were four aboard a center console fishing boat..
They are searching a 750 mile square area off the coast of Mexico. So far nothing….
it doesn't look good
They were 50 miles out in extremely rough seas in a 21 foot boat. I’d never do that.
This story is not going to end well. I hope I’m wrong.
The situation does look bleak.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 1, 2009 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
Corey Smith and Marquis Cooper
it’s been nasty down here all weekend, I can’t imagine being in the Gulf.
well
they did find one of the four lost men, so hopefully they can find the other 3
In reference to how good the Steelers have been in their history: "No one is even close to them."- Steal Home
Where did you hear that?
Oh... Oh, that's giving me a clue. Yeah, ye-yeah, I've got a raging clue right now.
I was StarStruck at TBB/BSR, now...
my bad.....poor info...I had read a second guy was found
appearantly not..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 3, 2009 7:13 AM CST up reply actions
Anthony Weaver?
My brother told me this morning that the Boys may be interested in DE Anthony Weaver. He was just released by Houston but played at Baltimore in a 3-4 before joining Houston.
http://www.nfl.com/players/anthonyweaver/profile?id=WEA508538
That's...
Interesting to say the least.
I could actually see that if anything just for a depth move.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
Dont know anythng about the guy
But his numbers do not impress me, plus 6’3, 274 lbs is a pretty tiny 3-4 DE. Cant do that, especially with an undersized NT.
i'd love weaver here
all he does is makes plays.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
"AMMIITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHH!!!"
he's nowhere near the money he was getting in Houston.....
depth move indeed….not worth it….Spears, Hatcher, Bowen, and possibly Ratliff and Dixon..
Sirus Radio said Springs is in NE......
They also talked about Canty….The latest rumor is if they sign Canty they were going to try and trade Kiwanuka and a draft pick to the Browns for Braylon Edwards…
That makes sense. Kiwanuka would be a good fit on the outside LB in a 3-4. Giants need a WR.
If Im Cleveland I keep Braylon and find a pass rushing OLB in the draft. Only cause WRs are hard to find.Of couse it could be I dont want to face him twice a year.
WTF is Cleveland doing?
First, their front office publicly says they’re not so sold on Brady Quinn.
Next, they trade away Kellen Winslow.
Now, they’re contemplating trading away Braylon Edwards (even though he drops a lot of passes)?
What da hell are they gonna do on offense?
Donte “The Human Hamstring Pull” Stallworth can’t play a full season to save his career and Joe Jurevicious is coming back from a serious injury.
Plus, Jamal Lewis is an aging RB with massive tread on his tires.
I’d hate to be a Browns fan right now.
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! That's a great analogy!!!!!!!!!!!
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
Would you . . .
trade Romo for Culer straight-up? All the talk about Cutler being on the block made me wonder. I don’t guess I’d do it, but it’s a pretty close call.
My initial impression of McDaniels and the new Broncos regime is not good. I’m a Vanderbilt fan and so a Cutler fan and if they run off Cutler I’ll be rooting for the the tenure of smarty-pants former NE assitant Mcdaniels to be an abject failure.
In a very slim decision, Id make that trade
If only because of the age difference. I put them on the same tier of quarterback ( Top 10, with the talent to be Top 5), and Cutler’s much younger.
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
agreed
Neither are perfect qbs though – the same issues many of our fans complain about with romo are also true about cutler.
But as of now, cutler’s younger and has the better arm, and has the more prototypical size which occasionally seems to limit romo (I think part of his fumbling problem is that his hands just aren’t as big as most qbs’)
Cutler's arm
is absolutely ridiculous. He and the kids in Oakland and Green Bay have the strongest arms in the NFL. I actually think it’d suck being a receiver with Cutler the QB.
who the hell cares what skip cluless thinks..
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
"AMMIITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHH!!!"
3 years difference in age doesn't make me take Cutler over Romo...
Cutler has a better arm, but Romo has more intangibles in my opinion. Although diabetes is a very controllable disease, I would be more concerned with Cutler’s health given the physical demands of playing in the NFL. The truth is that “the grass is always greener…”, but often times the hand you are dealt is better than someone elses…Romo has a better win-loss record.
explain please
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
"AMMIITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHH!!!"
I hate to admit it, but I'd pull the trigger.
HATERADE: Two scoops of Eric Allen, add water and stir.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Mar 1, 2009 5:27 PM CST up reply actions
Cutler makes even more
unforced errors than Romo does.
I’ll take the devil I know.
Yep
Cutler still has problems relying on his arm strength.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
and Romo is just flat out better
if arm strength was that important Jeff George would be a HOFer.
In Romo we Trust
Raf you called Cutler the 2nd coming of Roger Staubach when he was in college
I would take the trade………..
younger…………….stronger arm.
Off field issues are diabetes…………not the Matt Leinhart wannabe attitude that Tony Romo has displayed.
His escapability was Staubachesque
his ability to force passes is not.
Give Cutler the weapons Romo has and the Defense of Dallas.
And it makes the Shanahan to Dallas a done deal as well.
The Last time Shanahan replaced Wade Phillips he won two Super Bowls.
Yeah...
And he also had John Elway, who possibly is one of the top 5 QB’s of all time and a 2000 yard rusher in Terrell Davis.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
More unforced errors?
Based on what, exactly? Not only is Cutler younger, but i think the consensus around the league is he is better. Not that Romo is chopped liver, he’s still really good, but I think most expect Cutler to be a top 3 QB for the next 8-10 years. Of course, Denver was supposedly shopping him, so maybe I’m way off.
by Brendan Scolari on Mar 2, 2009 3:44 AM CST up reply actions
yeah, you're definitely way off
If the Cowboys tried shopping Romo, 80% of the teams would be offering mutiple draft picks and players for him, don’t kid yourself.
In Romo we Trust
Well, think about it.....
That could be another Herscel Walker kinda trade. Get Cutler for less money and get multiple draft picks. I’d do that deal in a heartbeat.
You don't think they'd do the same for Cutler?
by Brendan Scolari on Mar 2, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
Thats total BS if you believe that for a second
Cutler’s value is at least close to as high as Romo’s, if not higher. Saying they could get nothing for him is beyond nuts.
by Brendan Scolari on Mar 2, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
+1.....
he’s a pro-bowl QB with one of the strongest arms in the league..Lots of upside. Some people just have blinders on their eyes concerning other QB’s.The main reason that he had so many turnovers later in the season is because they didn’t have a run-game. They had really bad luck with trying to keep running backs heathy. Heck, they were even pulling RB’s off other people’s practice squads. Give him a more balanced offense and his turnovers would have been cut way down. I get tired of some people that always want to put down other QB’s and players on other teams.
This is the thing...
Terry- You’re love for Romo has gotten strange. Seriously. When someone says something about him, you defend him like he invented sliced bread… which I love, but he didn’t invent.
I would rather have Romo, but that’s because he plays for Dallas AND… while Romo has gotten the stigma for not being able to win a playoff game, I don’t think you’re improving that much with Cutler who hasn’t been on a team with a winning record since high school.
I like Cutler, but like Raf I would take the devil I know over the one I don’t. Romo makes some crazy throws sometimes, but Cutler forces’s balls into triple coverage WAY too much.
Of course this is all hypothetical.
If I was Detroit i wouldn’t hesitate to trade Dallas’s first and a third rounder for Jay Cutler.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
Agreed with everything
Except I’d probably take Cutler. It’s a close call though.
by Brendan Scolari on Mar 2, 2009 6:08 PM CST up reply actions
yea
It seems to me that some fans (Terry) will defend him to the end even to the point of it being illogical, while a few others on here seem to think any decent qb could play better than Romo has. The same people who are whining about Romo think cutler would be a savior, yet the problems that plague Romo are significantly worse for cutler.
The truth lies somewhere in the middle here – at this poitn in their careers, romo is the better player, but cutlers much younger and has more pure potential, even if he is pretty whiny sometimes.
Horrible Notion
And here is why;
Jay Cutler has Diabetes. Managing his blood sugar is an ongoing struggle for he and the team. Most of his poor physical performances can be traced to blood sugar anomalies that they can’t seem to avoid at times.
I like Cutler, but he has a disease that will only get more and more difficult to manage over time and it will continue to dampen his playing career.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
True and I'm sure it affects people differently
but Diabetes didn’t seem to dampen Wade Wilson’s career, at least its longevity.
Oh... Oh, that's giving me a clue. Yeah, ye-yeah, I've got a raging clue right now.
I was StarStruck at TBB/BSR, now...
the thing with Wade is
that he wasnt starting and taking a pounding a week in and week out. starting is a completely different story
In reference to how good the Steelers have been in their history: "No one is even close to them."- Steal Home
I believe he started for three seasons with the Vikings
but I’m not sure about the rest. Still, you make a valid point.
Oh... Oh, that's giving me a clue. Yeah, ye-yeah, I've got a raging clue right now.
I was StarStruck at TBB/BSR, now...
Not exactly. Health care has come a long way as well as the management of diabetes.
His poor performances mostly came before they knew about it. Im sure he has had some tinkering to do with his dosages and diet and brand of med but that will get dialed in soon enough if it isnt already. I might take Cutler if my team was still ayear or two away from the dance because of his youth, but Romo is the better fit for this team at this time.
another thing that would be tempting....
Cutler’s contract is somewhere in the 48mil range and Romo’s is 64 mil range. If we are talking straight up, that would be hard to turn down with the salary cap savings.
Canty just signed with the Giants.
Super lame.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
5 years 42 million.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 1, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
Surprised the Giants signed him
but not that big of a deal. I still don’t see why so many people think Canty is the “bees knees”
"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips
bees knees?
Never heard of that. Does that have something to do with his lazy eye?
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 1, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
i never even knew he had a lazy eye lol
but yea all week all the “experts” were calling him one of the best lineman in the nfl. He’s only a tad above average, and he could’ve gotten better or he could’ve remained the same. Let’s hope for the latter when we play him twice a year. But if he does well, we can’t be mad, because there are tons of players that left Dallas to find success in other places.
"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips
Dude, the "lazy" eye is a result of being hit with the beer bottle
Oh... Oh, that's giving me a clue. Yeah, ye-yeah, I've got a raging clue right now.
I was StarStruck at TBB/BSR, now...
Yes, a Corona bottle.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 1, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
he was an
innocent victim when a bar went berserk. A bottle was flung out of a crowd and happened to catch him in his eye. He nearly lost vision in the eye permanently.
He may be something to reckon with in a 4-3 defense. He could play DE and DT in a 4-3, I think.
I know. I remember the story when they drafted him.
He’s gonna be moved all around the line in some games, I bet. Just because Spags left doesn’t mean the scheme will change much.
I think he really fits their team. Too bad Colombo and Bigg are gonna maul him!
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 1, 2009 5:28 PM CST up reply actions
Spags leaving really hurts them
don’t kid yourself…
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
So, was the Corona bottle half empty or half full?
Just seemed to me in, ahem, bad taste to make jest of it.
Oh... Oh, that's giving me a clue. Yeah, ye-yeah, I've got a raging clue right now.
I was StarStruck at TBB/BSR, now...
lol
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 1, 2009 11:15 PM CST up reply actions
They have so many lineman now
Let them take him, no idea where he is going to play but i bet the media will LOVE the move because the Giants got him.
by joey7289 on Mar 1, 2009 4:16 PM CST up reply actions
They think he will play tackle.
When you think about it, I’m not so sure Canty fit Wade’s scheme. Hatcher seems more athletic; although, Canty did give us some size up front.
I hope we draft a DE in the midrounds.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 1, 2009 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
I'm a little shocked...
That Green Bay didn’t try harder.
Oh well.
How much money can you invest in a defensive linemen?
I think it was good move for the Giants, but possibly unnecessary.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
Guess he wanted to be on the east coast.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 1, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
apparently
according to a friend whose a big giants fan, both robbins’ and cofield’s contracts expire next year, so the Canty and Bernard signing are meant as some insurance – who knows how much those guys would get paid on an open market.
What's your source?
Oh... Oh, that's giving me a clue. Yeah, ye-yeah, I've got a raging clue right now.
I was StarStruck at TBB/BSR, now...
Adam Schefter.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 1, 2009 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
thanks
Oh... Oh, that's giving me a clue. Yeah, ye-yeah, I've got a raging clue right now.
I was StarStruck at TBB/BSR, now...
I just noticed that Raf updated this thread confirming the signing.
I’m kinda sad, but oh well.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 1, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe there is something to the Cleveland trade.
You can only put 4 on the field and the ones they had were the same or better so I can live with it. Of course he will be a beast against us just because everyone palys there old team harder.
What does the Cleveland trade have to do with this?
Just curious.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 1, 2009 4:40 PM CST up reply actions
Nevermind.
Just read the Kiwunuka rumors up there ^
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 1, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
So do we get a 3rd round compensatory pick for this signing?
How many FA’s signed bigger deals? Haynesworth and who else?
If we do get a 3rd rounder we basically turned a 4th round pick into a 3rd round pick.
That won't be determined until next year's draft
and is contingent upon Canty’s playing time and if Dallas replaces him through FA.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 1, 2009 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
Well with a $42mil contract, we know he's gonna play...the cowboys have been very selective in free agency and look to be getting their needs filled in the draft
…it would be pretty sweet to get a 3rd round compensatory next year…how many draft picks draft picks do we have this year? I’snt it like 11 even after the Roy Williams trade? I like how we’re handling our business…
Well yeah
and playing time as little bearing on compensatory picks, the contract mostly determines that
I thought they took into account his starts as a Cowboy
along with what he will do with the Giants minus any FA DE Dallas gets to replace him. If he is the full-time starter in NY we would be subject to receive the same pick we will be getting for Julius Jones. Both situations seems comparable.
I don’t think the contract has much to do with the compensatory pick as long as he makes the team.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 1, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
Here ya go
Compensatory picks cannot be traded, and the placement of the picks is determined by a proprietary formula based on the player’s salary, playing time, and postseason honors with his new team, with salary being the primary factor. So, for example, a team that lost a linebacker who signed for $2.5 million per year in free agency might get a sixth-round compensatory pick, while a team that lost a wide receiver who signed for $5 million per year might receive a fourth-round pick
.
I stand corrected.
Because wikipedia says so, that does suggest we will get back a 3rd rounder since Canty sold out for more than 5 mil a year.
That also means that we should get a higher pick for Reeves than Julius.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 1, 2009 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
That's cool
We should get a 4th in 2010 draft.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
That 5 million was for the sake of argument
wiki doesn’t know what qualifies for a 4th rounder, but it will probably be a 3rd or a 4th
wiki knows all
OK, I found an NFL.com article stating the Comp. picks begin in the 3rd round. I would think with that kind of contract, Dallas should qualify for a 3rd.
That’s sweet.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
+1....considering that about what i though we could've traded him for anyhow..
especially since he went to a playoff team…i am sure that plays into it as well..but his playing time will be dwindled with a rotation..i’m thinking 3rd rounder for sure…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 1, 2009 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
next season.....we will get a 3rd....imo..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 1, 2009 5:40 PM CST up reply actions
Do they have 3rd round comp picks?
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
Nevermind
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
Spears96?
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 1, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
lol...here's his new user name...
canty99
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 1, 2009 5:42 PM CST up reply actions
lol
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 1, 2009 9:13 PM CST up reply actions
Ratattack
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
Is that the new moniker?
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
F' em
Canty doesn’t have the consistent motor, neither does Haynesworth, let our rivals waste their money
That remains to be seen
I think Canty’s sack numbers will go up playing in a 4-3.
he couldn’t rush worth a damn in the 3-4, but in games where he played a lock inside in a 4-2-5 (the Rams and the 2nd Giants game) he got a great push.
but I'll stand by the midseason statement
the Giants just gave $17.5 M guaranteed to a guy who disappeared in the first half of
his salary drive season.
Better them than us.
Kinda hard to get too worked up about losing Canty...I would have been pretty ticked off with the Cowboys
if they had ponied up $42mil with $17.25 guaranteeed for him…
great point. cali
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
Yeah
I would have been just as ticked had Dallas shelled out that kinda dough.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 1, 2009 4:46 PM CST up reply actions
Hate to see him go to the G-men.
But losing him doesn’t cripple us. You’ve gotta think Wade will put in a to Igor at this point.
HATERADE: Two scoops of Eric Allen, add water and stir.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Mar 1, 2009 4:44 PM CST reply actions
that's my hope as well, glory...
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
Hate seeing him and Bernard and Boley go to NY.
With all the signings in Wash., the Cowboys have no choice but to up their game against the defensive additions in the East.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 1, 2009 4:47 PM CST up reply actions
I just hate the fact
that he has a chance to burn us twice a year. That would be painful. Still, I like the way Jerry played this.
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Mar 1, 2009 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
I look at it like this
Robbins and Cofield play us tough every year.
If canty replaces either of them let’s see if he hurts us like the other two.
by oneforthethumb on Mar 1, 2009 6:03 PM CST up reply actions
Let's see, how will the media spin this?
When Jerry spends his money, he’s frivolous or he’s Al Davis. This year he sits on his wallet, and they will call him an idiot.
I bet they will start calling Canty a “top flight” lineman. And if he has success in NY, they will ignore the possibility that he’s a better fit in a 4-3. They will just call Jerry dumb, and say he needs a “football guy” to help him evaluate talent.
HATERADE: Two scoops of Eric Allen, add water and stir.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Mar 1, 2009 4:51 PM CST reply actions
yeah, the anti-Cowboys bias among the msm bugs da hell out of me
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
Depends
Colin Cole just signed for 5 yrs/$20M and a $5M signing bonus.
Who’s still looking for a 3-4 DE? Green Bay, and San Fran, who has said they’re not going to
be big spenders.
Seattle had money to spend. So does Tennessee, but they want a 4-3 DT.
I’ve discounted Igor Olsansky, figuring he would cost too much, but the market may be contracting,
and the players left may not have lots of money to toss around. Canty signed with NY because the Packers kept saying they wanted a visit but would never put out numbers for his agent to consider.
But there's always Denver
which is going 3-4 and which has some serious cap room.
jeez
is it me or do players who enter free agency get just wildly overpaid? Jerrys done a good job staying for the most part out of the FA market the last 3 years (aside from TO and Davis)
both of which
seem to have paid off for us.
if you're gonna pay big money
you better get big play out of it.
Igor
will come to dallas becasue of Wade.
Again would you rather play for dallas,gb,den?
by oneforthethumb on Mar 1, 2009 6:00 PM CST up reply actions
dallas
most publicized team…an owner that pays big bucks, a soft coach with soft practices, brand new stadium, warm weather etc.
"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips
don't
forget the cheerleaders …….
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
and Mrs.Price
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 1, 2009 9:14 PM CST up reply actions
seriously
I think Jerrys have a great offseason so far, yet all they can do is ridicule him.
Do you feel the Cowboys are a better, deeper team now
Then they were at the end of the season?
Funny the differnce a year makes. This time last year I thought the SB window was open wide for us Cowboys fans. Today I view it as all but slammed shut.
exactly
one this this bad season does is it elimates the band wagoners from the 07 year
and we’re not preemptive favorites anymore so we can surprise again
"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips
Yeah...
And there were a LOT of bandwagonners.
I don’t know what would make someone think the door is slammed though.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
+1
The current team is almost identical to last season’s.
Plug in Brooking for Zach, Jenkins for Henry, and upgrade the backup QB.
Canty’s spot replaced by Hatcher, Bowen, Ratliff, or TBD.
I don’t see the reason to downgrade Dallas’ chances. Heck we haven’t finished with FA yet and the draft isn’t for another 8 weeks.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
exactly
and the thing is we were a good team last year talent wise, and i hate using that word talent
but its true we have the necessary pieces to do damage (barring safety)
we had a load of injuries and even though we grossly underperformed u cant say we would have the same record if felix, romo, newman, pacman, kosier hadn’t missed any games
"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips
+1...we are odds on favorites to win it all again....lol
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 1, 2009 8:09 PM CST up reply actions
no
The NFC East is, in my opinion, far more difficult a minefield than it was one week ago.
Those damned Giants and Redskins have really reloaded well. Let’s all hope Jason Campbell continues to underwhelm, and… well, the Giants look good.
remember when everyone
though jason campbell was the next tom brady half way into the season?
haaaa
"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips
The Redskins' approach has not worked for a decade now...
…no matter which players they have signed to monster contracts. As long as Cerrato and Snyder continue to follow the big-ticket free agency approach and ignore things like depth, coaching, and building through the draft, then I will not worry about them as one of our top 2-3 threats.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Just the fact that everyones healthy makes us deeper than at the end of last year
You have to remember how injured this team was last year – this year we have a healthy flo, barber, felix, newman, ware to start the year. The door is as wide open as it was last year.
In November and December (not including the eagles game), i think our D played very inspired football. We’re still a competent safety away from being that type of D full time, but the brooking signing is a good move to fill up the hole and i have faitht hat we’ll find a new DE and safety. This side of the ball alone, with a couple more improvements,will be enough ot keep us in every game.
Offensively, Romo is starting the year healthy, and now has a full training camp (only his 3rd as a starter) to improve and get on teh same page with Roy.
Our major rivals in the division (imo) ar ethe giants and eagles – this team, romo especially, has always played the giants hard and the eagles are going to lose a ton of veteran leadership – noone knows how they’ll handle adversity without those guys. We have just as large a change if not more of winning the division over these guys.
I'm pretty down on this team right now, but in the NFL the door is never closed.
Look at what Atlanto did last year. The Cowboys sucked and embarrassed at the end of the year, but they are still one good run of games away from the SB.
I hate parity, but it’s real.
Especially if Romo has a few games where he enters the ‘zone,’ that alone would carry this team far. If he pulls his head out, that opens up a lot for this offense.
by Realist Larry on Mar 1, 2009 7:04 PM CST up reply actions
I'm right there with you.
I’m not HYPED going into 09 season, but this is the NFL.
And this, despite not making the playoffs, is still a very talented team.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
I'm surprised
that Miami didn’t go after Canty. Does that tell us what Miami thinks of him? Still surprised that the giants landed him. No way would I have given him the contract that the giants did.
Nice point with the Miami thing.
The same spin is on L.Coles.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 1, 2009 5:30 PM CST up reply actions
Or does it say more about Miami's need for him
and the asking price
Oh... Oh, that's giving me a clue. Yeah, ye-yeah, I've got a raging clue right now.
I was StarStruck at TBB/BSR, now...
Todd Archer finishes his post about canty leaving with a stupid remark.
Dallas was limited in what the could do to keep canty, is he serious. Does he really feel that canty is worth all that money to be a starting DT or DE? I think he was adding a little jab a JJ trying to imply that JJ did not have the ability to keep him, and that he would have done so if there was cap room. Here is the link.
http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/03/chris-canty-is-a-giant.html
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
I wasn't that satisfied with Canty's production
I don’t think I would keep him; It’s time to try someone new there
i agree
its done, lets move, most of us didnt like him that much anway
im sure he was a good guy and everything but he was asking for a buttload so screw it
we have guys like bowen, hatcher who aren’t that bad…we can give them a chance or draft someone
or…get IGOR
"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips
I'm surprised the Midgets offered that much
A 6’7 DT in a 4-3 defense that already has Osi and Tuck, they really overspent on Canty.
And Dallas was never going to give him that kind of money so good for Canty.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
and the amazing thing
I’ve looked at some giants message boards today and they’re absolutely elated about it. I really don’t understand it – they pretty much are giving him 7 mil a year on the potential that he’ll be a disruptive 4-3, with not too much evidence to back it up.
i have
to believe they are cutting robbins and 1 or two other dl.
No way do yo sign canty and bernard for that $$$ to be bkups.
by oneforthethumb on Mar 1, 2009 7:18 PM CST up reply actions
very
disingenuous to say he took the rest of the game off.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
"AMMIITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHH!!!"
okay then,
he was inferior.
Whatever the case, he got his ass kicked.
of course you can say that about any player
including Ware at any point during a game…
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
"AMMIITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABHH!!!"
Canty was MIA the entire first half of the season
You can’t say that about Ware.
I would love to get Springs here
He is under-rated – being one of (if not THE) top-performing CB over the last 3 years according to KC Joyners tape analysis. He is getting into that age-range where CB’s start to drop off, but I think he would make a more reliable veteran CB and/or FS than Henry. And apparently he is a good team guy.
Hopefully Canty’s contract will keep Ratliff playing with a huge chip on his shoulder….
And glad Dawkins no longer an Eagle, that will have a big impact on the Philly D (see Woodson departure….)
And I still can’t believe NE only got a 2nd Round pick for Cassell AND Vrabel – was this a parting gift to Pioli?
"Where's Woody? - We need another Darren Woodson
The QB market wasnt as strong and the Patriots werent going to tie up 29million of their cap space on 2 QBs.
Patriots had to deal him and all the teams knew this. Their position of strength was over blown.
i think Pioli has blackmail pics of Bellacheat.
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
Good luck Canty
I think Bowen and Hatcher can give us the same production minus the big money. Canty was solid but not worth the contract he signed. You have Ware lined up behind him and Ratliff next to him and still no consistent pressure on qbs. You cant give big contracts to people who are inconsistent.
Is what it is....
I just hope that months from now there aren’t people on here saying “I told you we shouldn’t have let Canty go.”.
You can’t have them all.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
you can't make that argument anyway though
in no way is it worth 7 mil a year to keep him as a 3-4 DE. Even if he does great with the giants, I’ll still think we made the right move.
Cant' He
The Giant fans will be asking why “can’t he” get to the qb for 7 mil a year by this time next year.
by steelyeyedmissle on Mar 1, 2009 6:28 PM CST up reply actions
Nice
I like bad puns.
You’re right, he will be expected to live up to that contract and if he doesn’t become a superstar in NY, he’ll become a scapegoat.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
he may flourish there
and could never be all he could be in dallas. The two aren’t mutually exclusive. He went to UVA, so he can do anything.
Haha...
What does going to Virginia have to do with anything?
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
c'mon
you’re not going to tell me that Virginia isn’t the best state in the Union, and that UVA doesn’t produce the greatest Americans?
....
I haven’t really put that much thought into it honestly.
I’m going to go out on a limb and just guess you’re from there.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
Virginia is a place for lovers
Wasn’t that the license plate motto?
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Mar 1, 2009 11:25 PM CST up reply actions
Virginia Beach sucks....Never go there...
They got a cop on every street corner just looking to bust you for something, anything…I spent a night in jail for having a open beer bottle…funny part is, I got to suck it down before they can reach me to throw the cuffs on…can’t waste a full Budweiser.
screw them
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 2, 2009 8:31 AM CST up reply actions
Funny thing .....
I was saying before this whole thing with Canty went down, that I feared he might go to the Giants and a lot of guys on here were saying that I was crazy. It would never happen. Same with Kitna. I guess this woman isn’t so dumb after-all huh? Think the Boys should bring me in for GM? I’m kidding….haha
I agreed with you regarding Kitna
I thought if he ever hit the market he would be the best veteran qb to bring in.
In Romo we Trust
That was of course you agreeing to a comment I had posted saying the same thing...
I’m very happy with the Kitna trade….especially since it took care of one of the dead weights on my To Get Rid Of List….
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 2, 2009 2:58 PM CST up reply actions
Numba are you talking to me or Terry?
I don’t understand. Can you explain?
dude, I posted before you
that if Kitna ever came available, he’s the guy we should get.
In Romo we Trust
alrighty...but I'm pretty sure Charlie Batch was the guy you were touting all along...
no big deal….We got the guy who we all felt was the best possible back up QB canidate…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 2, 2009 8:07 PM CST up reply actions
A DE has to be a disruptive player to deserve that kind of money.
Canty was OK, but for that much change, no way can we ever regret it. What was JJ supposed to do, pay Canty $50 Million??
by Realist Larry on Mar 1, 2009 6:59 PM CST up reply actions
Not to get off of FA talk but has anyone seen the news that
Crabtree will not run on his pro day because he is going ot have surgery?
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
Now Let's Get a NT
So Rat can move to his natural position of end!!
by GhostofGaryHogeboom on Mar 1, 2009 6:37 PM CST reply actions
yepp
i thought ratliff was taking canty’s spot anyway so lets move forward with the offseason needs
"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips
Wouldn't mind
seeing Ron Springs’ kid wearing the star, at the price and in the right role.
We don’t have too many DBs.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
i would like it as well
hes a better anthony henry and we still have jenk and oscan
alan ball isnt that awful either
"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips
Jerry should bring in Ray Lewis and show him the new stadium...
with the response Brookings had…it might make Lewis give us a good discount on the price for his services.
Holy Crap, what did he ever do to deserve that kind of money.
In the middle of the 13-3 season, I was all over Canty as a future star. He had a run of games where he was very disruptive. I even compared him to Leon Lett! At least in the sense of “this guy’s coming from nowhere.”
Since then, he’s been a guy who makes a play every now and then, but disappears for looong stretches.
If it’s attitude, then he won’t do much in NY now that he’s got the Big $$. If he does well, then it’s a sign of how much easier it is to find 4-3 rather than 3-4 players.
He wore a star on his helmet.
Apparently.
I liked him but definitly not that much.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
coming from nowhere?
He’s from Virginia, Larry. The Cradle of Civilization.
He was all ACC, ACC defensive player of the year and so on and so forth. He was drafted late due to an injury, and also a freak bar fight that didn’t involve him left him with an injured eye. He’s like a deacon at his church and is a momma’s boy. He was first round talent, but his injury was a question mark, and the “bar fight” he was “involved in” left him with big question marks so he slid and slid and slid in the draft.
Y’know, I don’t care about the business end of things and how much a contract is worth and that sort of stuff. I want all the players to be great. He was never great. Like 6 times a season he’d do something noticeable, but otherwise, did you know he was on the field?
You're right about all that background.
But not exactly a guy known by anyone outside of Cowboys fans.
And still isn’t!
by Realist Larry on Mar 1, 2009 10:50 PM CST up reply actions
I've been out all day so there's a lot to catch up on....
there’s been over 400 posts to read….anyway, has anyone thought about Olgelsby-the guy that we let go at the end of training camp last year? Wasn’t he pretty good if I’m remembering correctly? I just saw that he is a FA from Ravens-hopefully, I’m not repeating anything anybody else has said. Also, would Olshansky be an upgrade over Canty?
where did you see Oglesby as a FA ??? He would be my choice for sure..
Olshanski is being seduced by GB right now, and will sign for far less than Canty…comparable numbers and skill, but not an upgrade over canty..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 2, 2009 8:35 AM CST up reply actions
Saw it on NFL.com
is says that he is a UFA. ESPN has him as a RFA but I’d think that NFL.com would be more reliable. I think he’d definitely be better than Ball and he should have stuck around last year. Agree? You’re right about Olshanski.
I have looked around and I saw Oglesby was listed as a RFA.....
and he should have been kept last season…but his near 1 million price tag was steep for a #6 CB…..Well….1 million for a #4 CB is alot better looking, and if he’s actually a UFA, (which I don’t think) I certainly would bring in the guy most familiar with our defense…..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 2, 2009 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think anyone's mentioned this, but the beauty of the Kitna trade is we got one of our primary needs for free.
IF you assume Henry was gone, or at least was not going to play much anyways, this was a very nice move by JJ. There were 4-5 decent backups available, all with warts. Any of them would have been OK, but getting one and moving Henry to clear the space was a good move.
We drafted 2 good CB’s last year, they should both be ready to go this coming year.
yeah hey need to play and henry would have only gotten in the way
this is also a good year to draft a CB and get young quick at that position. plus now there is not as much a need to draft a QB or carry a third QB.
I think Canty will excel in NY and we will be frustrated for years
Canty’s role as a 3-4 DE was not necessarily to be a huge disruptor, it was to hold blockers and let the LB’s make plays. The fact that his abilities often led to spurts of disruption was a bonus. No, I don’t think losing him is going to kill our D, but I think he will be great in NY’s 4-3. They have built a 90’s Cowboys-esque rotation with Osi, Tuck, Robbins, Coefeid, Canty and ??? (can’t remember the missing DT and DE’s). but no doubt, they will be stout, and the rotation will keep them fresh and therefore better as a unit.
I think there is something to be said when one of your biggest rivals, who had to play against Canty twice a year for 4 years WANTS him and PAYS him that much.
Am I the only person who is worried that our Division rivals are seriously improving themselves? Nobody is talking about it. The Giants add Canty and Boley, they are going to be better.
The Skins add the biggest bad ass D-lineman in the entire league.
The Sky is FALLING!!!!
the eagles
have lost alot of key players so not all teams are getting better
and both defensive teams in our divisions improved their defenses, nothing about their offense
both which had alot of trouble second half of the season
no need to panic until we actually lose to them
"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips
I want to
see how good dawkins will be with the denver defense.
wil he be worse than lynch?
by oneforthethumb on Mar 1, 2009 7:46 PM CST up reply actions
I call troll
On the original poster of this comment. This comment is the only comment he’s made – seems like he signed up just to come over here and concern troll. And he couldn’t come up with a screen name thats a bit more disguising than something that looks a lot like ‘G-MAN NY’. Hmmmm? Ignore the concern troll people. Canty is a decent player but has grossly underperformed what one would think someone of his talent/attributes should deliver. Or maybe he’s just not that good. In either case our O-Line went up against him for four years in practice. I’m not too sure how many of those battles he won.
okay, but who plays WR for them?
Are they bringing Plaxico back? Toomer is gone.
They’ve improved their front seven, but they’re not invincible. This is the NFL of the early 21st century.
There are no unbeatables.
As for Washington
Jansen may be cooked at RT. Thomas at RG had a serious surgery. Kendall is good but quite old.
And Campbell is in the last year of his contract and the team isn’t sure about him.
Until the games start, nobody knows anything.
Haha.
I made that statement earlier.
Their offense went to crap when Plaxico went down.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
Raf, you know how I felt about Canty when he was drafted
but I could see no justification for the money no matter how much I wanted him on the team. He just didn’t materialize in the NFL as he did at UVA. Having said that, I hope we don’t come to rue this day.
Oh... Oh, that's giving me a clue. Yeah, ye-yeah, I've got a raging clue right now.
I was StarStruck at TBB/BSR, now...
If Canty was as good...
as he thinks he is, Parcells would have been the first line to try and get him. The fact that he didn’t even give a nanosecond of his time to try and sign him speaks volumes. He is totally overrated, which Giants fans will come to appreciate at the end of 2009.
Quoted..."Am I the only person who is worried that our Division rivals are seriously improving themselves?"
YES!! Washington still has glaring holes on their team and they spent their money on 2 players. Philly has Oline problems they may not be able to adeqautely address. NY still has issues on the offensive side. Plaxico is gone and perhaps Ward. In comparison, the Cowboys look in relatively good shape.
Rumor is
They’re trying to trade Kiwanuka for Edwards.
I don’t see why Cleveland would do this unless they are sick of the current miss and want to totally rebuild… but if they do, NYG is scary as hell.
Kanye, you want to be the voice of this generation? Get in line! It goes me, Obamagirl, the Freecreditreport.com guys, then It's a tie between you-and Crocs.
-Stephen Colbert
They might be scary as hell...
Edwards is super talented but as I see it right now he’s had ONE big season and that’s it.
I’d rather NY not get him, but last year he was making drops like crazy.
Not the type of drops that Owens makes, you know most of the ones that an elite WR should catch.
No he was dropping passes left and right that Freddie Mitchell should make.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
the giants would improve drastically with edwards
but he still has ALOT of drops
and even in his breakout 07 season he still had a LOAD of drops
and pacman pretty much shut him down in week 1, im sure newman could do that
"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips
Their run game faltered
Once Plax left. The loss of their deep threat allowed teams to play in the box a lot more, they don’t have anyone else to stretch the field.
Kanye, you want to be the voice of this generation? Get in line! It goes me, Obamagirl, the Freecreditreport.com guys, then It's a tie between you-and Crocs.
-Stephen Colbert
You know its not even speed...
Hixon isn’t slow, neither is sinoric moss, but neither demand a double team.
Haha and I love you’re little statement. “you and Crocs” Thats great!
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
Yeah, It's not just speed
Irvin was one of the great deep treats of all time, and his speed was below average.
Larry Fitzgerald ran in the high 4.5s as I recall.
There’s more to being a deep threat than 40 times.
Kanye, you want to be the voice of this generation? Get in line! It goes me, Obamagirl, the Freecreditreport.com guys, then It's a tie between you-and Crocs.
-Stephen Colbert
Irvin wasn't so
much of a deep threat, but he was a threat to catch the ball and take it a long way. How do you think Emmit scored so many one yard TD’s. Irvin was the “Playmaker”, but more than that, he was reliable.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
Forget Canty
Nobody knows him better than the Cowboys staff. If he was worth his pay, then Jerry would’ve kept him. Canty has measurables, but is way inconsistent. I look forward to him getting pancaked by our OL.
As for the ‘Skins.. a majority of their big tickets FA’s flop. this is entirely true of their DL signings. Sean Gilbert, Big Daddy Wilkinson, Dana Stubblefield, Jason Taylor.
If Canty is the problem, vela,
what does that make Spears, the solution? This Dline is going to have a really hard time next year and should pale in comparison to the Giants line with the improvements that they have made to an already excellent group.
Who said...
He was a problem?
Plus Spears plays on the other side of Canty… so I guess I’m failing to see your point.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
im hoping ratliff takes canty's spot
and we draft someone to play nt or let the guys on the roster or fa signing fill that void
"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips
answer this question:
do you give Canty what New York did?
I don’t. He wasn’t consistent enough to merit that kind of money.
You clearly were asleep in logic class. What does Canty’s deal have to do with
Marcus Spears?
I like Canty over Spears alot, but know way I give that deal to Canty in Dallas..
Maybe he becomes a better 4-3 DT who knows…but were going to find out…
Your incorrect inference
suggests that you slept through it with me. My point was related to the big dimunition in the overall quality of the D-line with the possible loss of Canty, making Spears, the most inconsitent starter of the group, the second-best lineman at present. Regardless of what you think Canty is worth, and right now that is 7million per, about what he thought he was worth, removing him from the line means that you only have one quality starter, Ratliff, one placeholder (until someone relegates him to a backup role), Spears, and a bunch of guys who aren’t good enough to start, even over Spears, Hatcher and Bowen. So I take it you are on board with the Cowboy’s sagacious strategy that banks on finding 2 starting-caliber 3-4 d-lineman in the draft in the late-second through early fourth rounds, some of whom many have never played a lick of a 3-4 scheme in their life?
The cowboys d-line will suck next year and the linebackers will fare even worse because of it. You disagree?
Thats not awful logic
we have one great player (Ratliff), a reliable, solid player who does his job, albeit worse than canty (Spears) and some decent depth (Hatcher, Bowen). WE’re not that far away from fielding a similar or better DLine to last year – sign Holliday and draft a player and were right there
I think they are likely to trade
for a vet before the draft unless they pick up someone else who gets released. I think Holliday is more of a 4-3 end caught in Parcel’s transition to the 3-4 in Miami and he is old but could be a viable rotation guy I suppose if they couldnt find someone who was a better fit.
Ummmm yeah.
“d-line will suck next year”
So you know Dallas is going to actually draft this year and there is still I don’t know… a ton of days left to sign free agents?
So basiclly what you are telling me is that Chris Canty must be one of the most bad ass players on Dallas’s team and because of his departure the entire line will collapse?
Meaning that I’m turning over a new leaf I’ll start this with “All due respect.”
So with all due respect, I think that thought is worth as much as velvet painting of a whale and dolpin getting it on.
: )
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
Would that be blue velvet?
Oh... Oh, that's giving me a clue. Yeah, ye-yeah, I've got a raging clue right now.
I was StarStruck at TBB/BSR, now...
Free agents
like who? what starting caliber DL are worth signing and would dallas consider overpaying? I only see one solid average guy that has merit who will likely be overpaid by some other team newly converted to the 3-4, Olshansky. Put up or shut up, WADR. In addition, there is some mention of the draft in my post. If you were a more careful reader you could’ve addressed that instead of some other chimera.
As for your taste in art, well…
"If you were a more careful reader..."
Aaaah ok. So you’re one of those guys.
There’s turnover every year at most positions in the NFL.
I’m not saying this will happen, but the fact that Dallas let Canty goes tells me that they think one of their guys below him have progressed enough to become a starter.
I don’t think that’s a difficult concept.
Maybe you’re right, maybe the D-Line will suck, but there is no way in the world you could be as positive about it as you are.
Players step up sometimes when given the opportunity, Ratliff did it when Ferguson went down.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
Yeah, I really thought the D-line would suck when Canty took over for Ellis.
And to be honest, it wasn’t great. He grew into the job and was a “good” player for us. Especially considering where we drafted him. He wasn’t the best player on our D-line, and I would say that just IMO he wasn’t even the 2nd best player on the D-line last year. I think Spears played at least as well as Canty did. I think what happened is Jerry and Wade looked at the production that Canty had, what his upside was, the fact that he didn’t play very well in a contract year (Remember Raf telling us about players not staying in their lanes?? Wasn’t that supposedly Canty??), and how much he cost and said to themselves that Hatcher or Bowen won’t be much of a downgrade. Maybe not even a downgrade at all. The sad fact is that for all our hope that he would turn out to be a beast, Canty was far from irreplaceable.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
People have had a love fest with Canty over Spears since day one.
Yet yhe only thing I ever heard was Spears was a first rounder and Canty was a 4th. Thats just not logical. Production is almost a mirror image. I think Spears might have been better with lane disipline than Canty.
Yeah, Parcells wasn't making them bring him gatorade because he liked them.
It was to take them down a notch.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
Draft Tek. com's latest mock draft ..I don't see it going like this ...but damn....I'd take it !!!
round 2 – Patrick Chung – SS
round 3 – Jonathan Luigs – OC / OG
round 4 – Mitch King – DE
round 4 – DeAngelo Smith – CB
round 5 – Jasper Brinkley – ILB
round 5 – Sebastian Vollmer – OT
round 6 – Chris Baker – NT
round 7 – Mike Wallace – WR
round 7 – Everette Pedescleaux – DE
Wow besides Mitch King that would be a great draft
But I don’t see Baker, Brinkley, Wallace going that low.
c'mon
Brinkley in round 5? Is his knee that bad?
Me thinks Watkins is going to be the FS next year..
At first I thought no way, but it’s shaping up that way.
It had better not
He’s subpar and injury-prone. No, thank you.
I’m a proponent of signing Sean Jones or absolutely prioritizing drafting a safety, and wouldn’t have a problem with doing both.
Kanye, you want to be the voice of this generation? Get in line! It goes me, Obamagirl, the Freecreditreport.com guys, then It's a tie between you-and Crocs.
-Stephen Colbert
we can draft one, but the chances of him coming in as a rookie and starting are real slim..
especially when were talking about a 2nd or 3rd rounder..
This is the big question...
Is Watkins going to be better then a rookie?
Maybe not. He’s pretty aweful.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
I like Sean Jones
He’d do well with Hamlin.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
No way
If he earns the spot, after Dallas goes through the rest of FA and draft trying to upgrade the safety position, then either Dallas failed or Watkins took his game to the next level (which would be fantastic, but unrealistic to expect)
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
Ken Hamlin will NOT be playing SS....wish you guys would give up on that idea....
We will be looking for SS help in FA and the draft, possibly FS depth as well….BUT…They didn’t let Henry go because they didn’t think he couldn’t play FS as much, they let Henry go, because moving Hamlin to SS would be a mistake, would bring down the overall strength of the secondary, and he’s not as cut out for it as many here think.
How many RB’s does he have to bounce off of to realize this. He’s at his best 15 yards off the line…He can’t mix it up in the box…Guys like Will Moore and Chip Vaughn are what we need…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 2, 2009 8:50 AM CST up reply actions
Ken Hamlin is our Free Safety
And has been for 2 years now. We are looking for a STRONG safety.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
+1 exactly.....
which is why when people mention us drafting a FS-Rashad Johnson, and FS-Darcel McBath, I’m a little puzzled that some don’t realize it’s actually a physical SS with some coverage skills we’re looking for….BUT ….we still can use an upgrade at FS too…cuz if Hamlin doesn’t bounce back from a sub par ’08 season, he might find his azz outta here real quick…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 2, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
Looks like TJ is going to team sex boat or back to the bungles,
the iggles and gints are not in the picture, here is the link.
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/01/tj-waiting-until-monday/
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Ugh.
The Giants defense looks better today than it did one week ago. The Cowboys defense looks worse today than it did a week ago.
Maybe I’m still bitter about the Ray Lewis situation…bah!
Its 3-4 days into FA and there has been no draft. Can we lighten up on the everybody improved but us drama.
Its the 1st quarter and we havent even had the ball yet.
it is ridiculous
for some reason fans think if you’re not active in FA in the first day, you’re not improving your team when in fact all good teams are not built through FA but the draft.
Teams like Pittsburgh and Indy are never big players in FA because they build through the draft and it shows every year.
In Romo we Trust
+1....true...and has been pointed out for a long period of time that the real bargain basement deals happen after the first wave has subsided, then you get older vets in panic mode just looking to latch on before the rookies make them less appealing.
McCalisters
Springs
Rolle
Bly
Ivy
Law
ONeil
etc. etc……guys that will come relatively cheap if we go vet DB.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 2, 2009 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
I'm less worried about corner then safety.
Don’t get me wrong, you can never have enough good corners, but safety is a position that has been ignored way too long.
The dime and nickel corner are on the field about 60% of the time(I dont know exactly I’m just guessing) but a safety is there almost all of it.
Gotta get one.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
gone, canty, gone
i am also in agreement that canty will be overpaid. as i have kept up with the yankees over the years it becomes clear that playing in new york is totally different than other places. there have been quite a few good players that have failed under the bright lights and pressure of playing in new york. and with that big contract he signed there will be more pressure. if he succeeds then good for canty. we still made the right decision for our team at that time.
Dallas needs to mid-range starter money and keep Burnett
Rewatching the Pittsuburgh game and he was key on lots of plays. He played smarter then most defenders and really seems to be comming into his own in the Cowboys defense.
Smart and fast is a good combination and his best football is in front of him. He even manages to stay out of the news in Dallas. With the rotation ILB on board for a cheap contract he is worth the money assuming no one makes a crazy offer
lets hope burnett gets pinched to a lower contract due to the recession
i have heard that the elite can expect the same payday and that the mid range players will be the ones to feel the pinch.
not likely since he's going to visit Oakland...Land of the overblown contract.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 2, 2009 8:51 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah but that overblown stuff is for the flashy malcontents, hopefully he does not fit what they want.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
It would be
unlike them to pay for a truly talented player, instead of a talented players rep.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
Yeah I am not saying it won't happen but what is going to get the raiders attention to offer him
the big money. If Burnett leaves so he can be a starter for the black hole then I wish him luck because being on that team will make him long for the days he was back in dallas; if dallas is a circus then the raiders are the freak show.
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Now that is funny.
With Al davis leading the freak parade. He looks like he was mummified and has puppeteers running him from offstage.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
There was a funny KSK bit they ran when Kiffin was fired where they had Al
as Dracula saying the team needed to suuuck, Art Schell was the mummy, and Def Coord Ryan was the wolfman. It was hilarious and the dracula photo shop of Al was pretty good.
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If he goes there then he really has sold himself out....
BTW the guy that is missing off the coast, is he a linebacker?
RESPONSES
1. My quote that the Sky is falling was a bit of a joke…but I still stick to the point that the Giants and Skins are getting better while Dallas is not.
2. Just because some of the Skins’ moves didn’t work in the past, doesn’t mean this won’t. In fact, I look at it the opposite way, their odds should be getting better that one or some of their moves will actually finally pay off. Plus look at the difference in those other players vs. this one. Those were all guys at the end of their career OR guys whose name was bigger than their production. Haynesworth is neither. He’s a bad-ass, and his presence will force Dallas and other opponents to double team him, making their other players better. . .and let’s not forget, The Skins beat Dallas once this year.
3. My point on Canty isn’t that Dallas should have paid him that much money. It’s that, we are discounting him and his loss because he wasn’t the stud we all hoped. That doesn’t mean he wasn’t a good player (just look at how similar his numbers are with the much desired by this Blog Igor O.) and it doesn’t mean that in NYG’s system with that rotation that they won’t be VERY tough…and one mor thing on this, had Jerry shown interest to get a deal done during the year and up till now, maybe we could have gotten him for less, or at least he might not have gone to a Division rival.
TO SEAN N: I’ve been a member here under the name “Gmoney” since TBSR came over and was a member there for several years before that when it was TBB. I used to post regularly on the other blogs, but have since taken a new job where I travel extensively and have very little time to do more than read. However, I wanted to post and had troulbe signing in under my old name, so I signed up a second time under a similar name. . . I just received my set of 4 Texas Stadium chairs for my Cowboys sports/theatre room at home and Raf and others from the old blogs we came from should at least be able to vouch for me to some degree. I’m no troll, I’m just a realist.
G listen they started talks before the season started, before training camp and back then
Canty wanted Tommy Kelly money, this was not a situation where JJ did not try. JJ tried before the 08 season started and then again in a few days before FA started. Canty wanted too much money and JJ would not give in. So the people on this blog who follow the events know this agreed that he wanted too much because his play on the field did not warrant that much money. Canty is being paid higher than freaking Osi on that gints squad, do you think he is better than Osi? Please check your facts about JJ before you know what he did or did not do to try to keep canty, he made two attempts to sign canty and canty wanted too much money.
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“but I still stick to the point that the Giants and Skins are getting better while Dallas is not.”
We’re 72 hours into free agency. As we have seen the last few years, the Super Bowl is not won in free agency. Offseason Championships means nothing. Let’s relax, wait for the draft, and continue to hope that the guys we have on the roster play up to their potential.
Also, what in the past decade has made you fear the Redskins all of a sudden? They have been doing exactly this for the past 10+ years, and not ONCE have I been scared of them in a regular season game. The approach doesn’t work— their OL depth is still awful, their QB situation is shaky, their RB is aging, their coaching staff is suspect, etc. Let’s not panic here.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
They're Offensive side of the ball is what needed upgrading....
not the defensive side.
Bruce Smith wears his offseason championship ring with the same amount of pride he has in his
4 AFC Championship Rings.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
The Redskins
are looking like the 06 Bears. How many SuperBowls did they win? But, they do play us like they hate us.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
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