Cowboys Free Agent Signings Equal Draft Freedom
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Mar 12, 2009 6:58 PM CDT
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PrintSay what you will about Jerry Jones, but he has undoubtedly been rewarded for his patience this off-season. While NFC East neighbor Washington made it rain like Pacman Jones at Magic City, Jerry Jones and company sat on their wallets and waited. Once the smoke cleared, and the prices dropped after the initial free agent feeding frenzy, Dallas quietly walked away with three defensive starters and a backup quarterback. Sure the team still needs another corner. They still need depth at both inside and outside linebacker. The offensive line could use some capable backups and Jay Ratliff still needs someone who can give him a breather. With the draft still more than a month away, the Cowboys currently have a full cache of solid starters. By cashing in on bargain free-agents, the Cowboys have afforded themselves the ability to draft unbound by need.
It may be possible for a rookie fullback to supplant Deon Anderson. Maybe a more dynamic safety could come into training camp and hold off the newly acquired Gerald Sensabaugh. Outside of those exceptions, there is not a starting spot on this team that can realistically be had by a rookie.
The fact that the Cowboys will not enter the draft in dire need of a starter at any position allows them great freedom and flexibility. When the Cowboys make their first selection, they will not have to sacrifice value to fill a need. Having 22 starters already in the fold, the Cowboys will not be forced to panic or reach if the talent pool begins to thin out at a certain position in the draft. If they so chose, the Cowboys can simply hold their water and take the best guy on the board with the 51st overall pick.
The Cowboys currently hold nine selections in April's draft. That number will move to eleven after compensatory picks are awarded. Dallas has an abundance of picks and an already well-stocked roster. These two factors give the Cowboys a lot of flexibility as far as draft position. There is no conceivable way that 9-11 players can make this team. The Cowboys should realistically be looking to reduce their number of total picks by either packaging selections to move up, or acquiring picks to stash away for next year. Either way, Jerry Jones will enter draft day with few needs to fill and a ton of ammunition to move around.
By filling needs via free agency, the Cowboys have also allowed themselves the freedom to choose a player with high ceiling as opposed to a player with a high floor. If the Cowboys prefer a player with more upside, they now have the freedom to chose him over a player with less upside who is ready right out of the gate. This does not mean the Cowboys are looking for "project players", but any player they select will truly have time to learn, as he will not be called upon early to start barring injury. The team can now focus on things like finding Flozell Adams' heir apparent, or adding another pass rusher to coach Wade Phillips' already potent mix. The team can now look for a fourth corner, a backup nose tackle and a punt returner.
The Cowboys still have needs, but have patched all major holes with cost-efficient free agents. Even before the draft, the Cowboys have enough capable bodies to suit up and be competitive right now. No other team can call Jerry Jones and pressure him into anything. The Cowboys will now operate on draft day from a position of power, and not from a position of desperation. With a full deck of starters in place, the Cowboys can now focus on the future while putting key role players in place for 2009.
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Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
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yes
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Yeah, as long as you're passing out cookies I hope you brought enough for everyone.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
both of them ended up in NE.
Still some decent CB’s out there.. I think we missed the boat on Bodden though.
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
our roster is close to the point of saturation salary wise, so we need fresh blood
if our draft is as good as last year’s we will be in very good shape.
one area that might become bothersome is OL, we spent a lot of money to lure FA and we definitely need to get lucky in the draft at OL
I don't think we'll find a safety better than Gerald Sensabaugh in this draft
so I think we should use our first pick on a NT like Dorell Scott or maybe package those extra picks to move up to the top of the second to get a LT like Jamon Meredith.
maybe
you would have to go back to the film room to make sure there is nothing missing in this guy’s game that would raise serious concerns after the offseason he has had.
his play got Alabama to the #2 ranking it achieved
I really believe Alabama’s success was built on their offensive line, and as the LT he played the most important position, and SEC always packs a punch at the DE position too.
that said, wtf… is he crazy or what?
by AustonianAggie on Mar 13, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
he's not going any later than 15...i don't care what his pro day/ combine fiasco results were...
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 12, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions
No way it will happen though
Some team will take him in the 1st thinking they can fix him.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Mar 12, 2009 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions
We got enough things to fix...
He’ll never make it to 51, but if he drops to the top of the 2nd, I hope we don’t even consider moving up.
by Boundforbeach on Mar 12, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Having to fix something implies that something is broken
We need backup OL, backup CB, backup ILB and a developmental S. The only thing that seems to be “broken” is S and that is debatable.
I think the problem is that people hear that you're drafting "backups"
and they panic. That’s just not the case. You’re drafting guys who will probably be backups but have the potential to either start because of injury, or down the road they’ll be ready to step up. That’s what we need.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
+1....we've been drafting backups since 2006....no need to panic...Gotta keep churning the bottom of the roster..
Like Glory sez…No matter who we draft, it’s unlikely to be a first year starter…Heck, If we come away with 4-5 players that make the roster we’ll be looking good..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 12, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I like the thought
of packaging for higher picks..
I would be happy if we ended the day with 4-7 draft picks
by nicholas.rodriguez on Mar 12, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree
It would take too much to move up near the top. If they do move from #51 it would only be a few spots up or down.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Mar 12, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd say no, anyone remembers the OL Parcels drafted that
did not want to get in shape and was constantly injured, Smith is probably like him.
I dont know whats going on in his personal life, but his timing to get lazy and fat is atrocious, I am also sure his “wanderlic” score rivals VY
Jason Smith is the one guy that I find to be an amazing story this year.....
I’m a little biased because my son goes to Baylor, but I think that it’s pretty amazing that he came to Baylor as a tight end out of high school and now could be the first left tackle taken in the draft. I heard him on Sirius a couple of weeks ago and he said that he only weighed about 180 lbs. his Junior year in high school. The other thing that I really like is the two guys-Smith and Curry-are not coming from normally power house football schools.
Wooo!!
Sic ’em Bears!
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Mar 13, 2009 7:15 AM CDT up reply actions
That's awesome
What years were you there?
Think we’ll make the NCAA tourney? Texas tonight.
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Mar 13, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I can
OU is really good but very inconsistent
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Mar 13, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
OSU always gives OU a hard fought game
I think that win sealed my other Cowboys a spot in the Big Dance :)
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Mar 13, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
There is never EVER
a reason that Blake Griffin only takes nine shots in a game.
I put that loss right on the coach.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
I didn't see the game......
he really only took 9 shots? Unbelievable-but I’m happy!!!!
My UCONN Huskies went down in defeat....6 OT's....damn, what long game..
I’m bummin’..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 13, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Numba, some reason I thought you were a Florida fan....
where did I get that from?
I live in Florida, but a UCONN grad..
Even when growing up in Conn, and playing ball at UCONN, I was a lifelong Florida St football fan……but now I have no favorite or allegiances to any college football team..I’m a follower of players now…I go to college games all over Florida..But I follow my UCONN hoops as much as I can down here…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 14, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I think they probably cashed their ticket in.
That was a really good win against Kansas, I’m not sure what Baylor’s RPI looks like but I’d imagine that they are at least sitting square on the bubble.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 13, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
From what my son said, they need to pretty much beat UT today....
which is very possible because UT is so up and down this year. I like UT as well. My school, (TTU) is pretty bad but they do know how to beat A&M-lol and spoil it for Kansas
Actually
If they don’t get the automatic berth from winning the conference tournament, they’re going to be watching it from the couch — their conference record this year was just abysmal (based on expectations)
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Mar 13, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
agree......
one good thing though was my son got his photo on the ESPN website because he’s in the Line. Good seats too. When did you go there?
'00 - '06
Never joined the Line though.
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Mar 13, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
He just joined because ya get the best seats in the house....
and it’s a good way for freshman to meet others.
Really?
I didn’t know the conference record was that bad.
Eh, proably the first and only time I’ll ever be accused of giving Baylor too much credit.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
Airforce.....
gotta brag a little….guess ya saw that Baylor’s in the championship?
Missouri's gonna be tough....
but anything’s possible right?
Haha yeah...
I watched the game.
Good for them.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 14, 2009 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions
What was weird.....
was I was in a restaurant watching it on the big screen tv’s wanting both teams to win. Being in Austin, everyone were UT fans.
To quote Terri
I disagree
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Mar 13, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
there have been many quality LTs that start out as TEs
once they become too big teams usually move them to OT.
In Romo we Trust
it's true.. the LT in Buffalo is like that
for big guys, they are very athletic, thats why they started as TEs, then got huge… and thats why they end up as LTs
by AustonianAggie on Mar 13, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I know that it's true......
it’s just everytime I bring up a point, I can count on Terry to dispute it. LOL
Great post GD
The great thing is that of each of those 4 FA signings, each one is either at the very least an equal replacement, or a slight upgrade over who they replaced, and it didn’t cost us much.
Sensi-upgrade
Brooking-upgrade
Kitna-upgrade
Olshanky-equal
If you can do that in FA every year you’re doing well.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
I agree 100 percent
I think jerry is starting to get it…JJ and company did a great job filling holes on the cheap…
Agreed
I keep hearing about Jerry being a bad GM I don’t think that’s accurate. He may be an “incomplete” GM. Just like a player may have some things to work on so does Jerry.
Right now he’s got the most important things down pat: player evaluation, drafting, listening to his advisors, and salary cap management. He still needs to work on the things that get him in trouble like interfering with his coaching staff and some of the things he says in the media (i.e. the stuff about MB3). If he works on those things then there wouldn’t be very many GM’s out there I’d want over him.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
How can you argue with...
Three Superbowls?
So pardon my disposition; why should I listen to a system that never listened to me?
Great Observations
You nailed it Carl. Forget about signing the top guys in free agency – it backfires against you far more often than it works out. Free agency should be used to sign stop-gap guys to make sure most or all holes are filled before the draft. Take need out of the occasion and draft the top guys on your board. It seems Jerry has learned that lesson very well over the last 4-5 years, and the results prove that he has become an outstanding GM as it relates to the draft. He has other issues as a GM but when it comes to the draft, he clearly has figured it out.
I love your quote: "By filling needs via free agency, the Cowboys have also allowed themselves the freedom to choose a player with high ceiling as opposed to a player with a high floor."
Since Jerry is also the owner, he never has to worry about being fired after next season. That can work both for and against him, but in the case of the draft, it works for him because he can draft for long-term success as opposed to someone stepping in right away the next season.
by Cowboy Louie on Mar 12, 2009 8:17 PM CDT reply actions
Here's my first mock draft
2nd round – FS Rashad Johnson
3rd round – OG Kraig Urbik
4th round – NT Dorell Scott
4th round – WR Brooks Foster
5th round – ILB Scott McKillop
5th round – CB Bruce Johnson
6th round – OC/OG A.Q. Shipley
7th round – FS/SS Reshard Langford
7th round – QB Mike Reilly
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
nice mock kameleon...
i’d be cool with that….I really like Urbik, he’s a road grader at OG….
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 13, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks
I still need to tweak it. Start looking at more pro-days and stuff. Overvalued Foster and Johnson. I keep hearing that Shipley is moving up. I’m also starting to think Scott may go 3rd round.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
I agree with all you said...
swap McKillop with Foster…then Shipley with Johnson and you’ll be more accurate. Scott will go third, so swaping with Urbik is more realistic as well, although i can see Urbik going mid third as well..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 14, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
Urbik and Scott may go around the same time in the 3rd. So it may be a choice between which one we value higher. Of course, that’s all if the Cowboys are even interested in either one. LOL
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
new mock ??? McBath at #51 ??
I’d turn my TV off if that goes down…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 12, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, you would not
Unless you turned it off by throwing a remote control through the screen.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Mar 12, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions
no needs?
maybe i’m too picky, but i think the cowboys are in desperate need of some offensive linemen. columbo is solid, and gurode and davis can be really good when they’re playing well. but when kosier went down (and he went down hard twice in one season), the whole line seemed to buckle. flozell is iffy, and his replacement must be found soon. given the recent record drafting OL, i’m not super hopeful. but something has to be done.
i can’t believe jones offered procter a second round tender – and since none of the other offensive linemen could play well enough to keep him off the field, i don’t know what to think of them. but i can’t think they’re tearing up the practice field.
I'd like to see better OL, but all our starters are locked up to big money contracts, thus no immediate need.
Maybe we can get some young guys who will let us cut a starter or two, but the guys we have aren’t going anywhere next year.
Develop a Romo-type at third string QB
“7th round – QB Mike Reilly”
I was thinking about something like this. Draft a QB with the extra low picks. You need at least four arms in camp to throw to the WRs.
Take a shot at a Romo-type young quarterback to develop for a few years. I hope they have a few of these types in mind. It’s a great opportunity for a young guy—plus you get a Jessica Simpson-quality dates if you move up.
Texas slang in a Big Apple minute, by a friendly OED consultant. http://www.barrypopik.com
Never mind a 7th rounder
Now is the time to draft Romo’s replacement. Get a high round QB and let him ride the bench for 2-3 years. Give old Cabo Boy something to think about. There will be no pressure on the kid to play and in a few years we’ll have our franchise QB.
by steelyeyedmissle on Mar 12, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions
There will be no pressure on the kid to play and in a few years we’ll have our franchise QB.
Damn, why didn’t we think of that a couple years ago?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
That's right
Continuously grooming a young QB is delusional. After all, we found out after Aikman left all you have to do is keep bringing in has-beens, drafts busts, and the occasional no name and wah la, ten years later you have a decent QB. I don’t know why I didn’t think of that first.
by steelyeyedmissle on Mar 13, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
The way you put it
assuming that it was just so simple.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Aikman was over 30
and only retired because of multiple concussions. Romo is the present and future qb of the Cowboys for at least the next 5 years.
I have no problem drafting a qb to groom as a backup, but as a replacement for Romo in the next few years?? Yeah, thats delusional, especially since this qb crop stinks.
In Romo we Trust
Doubt
Romo can stay interested in playing for five years. Plus that is a long playoff drought for Jerry to swallow.
Time to look to the future.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
thats complete nonsense
Romo loves playing football and will probably play well into his 30s, health permitting.
He’ll also win multiple playoff games as well.
Romo is the future, get used to it.
In Romo we Trust
What is delusional is your total faith in your crystal ball
Jerry should put you on salary. That would save a lot of bad drafts and poor FA signings. I don’t have any thing against Romo. We found out over a ten year period that it is delusional not to be investing medium level draft picks in QB’s and grooming them. (If nothing else, they become great trade bate.) We had no need as long as Aikman (and Romo) was here. It’s a shame your Great Karnack skills didn’t foresee the end of Aikman’s career. Besides, what is wrong with making investments with QB’s. You just might find a young gun that makes Romo expendable. Aside from ruining his chances for more cracks at bubble blonds, it will only improve the team. Get past the “in Romo….” stuff at look at what is best for the team.
by steelyeyedmissle on Mar 13, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm a Romo fan..
But there is nothing wrong with taking a 3rd or 4th rounder to groom.
Maybe not this year, but within two years.
Even if Romo isn’t expendable, if the guy you draft is good you can trade him ala Matt Shaub, Matt Casell, Matt Hasselback…. maybe you should always draft a backup named Matt. Haha.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 13, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
now that's funny......
seriously, IMO, most people on this blog really like Romo but when Terry keeps fighting back and saying such off the wall things, it provokes people to say things. At least that’s what I do. I find myself saying things just to fight back which get me nowhere. Anyway, I’m not saying anything about Romo because I don’t want to get in trouble again.
thats funny
because my so called “off the wall” comments are always made when fans make unjust criticisms and throw him under the bus.
If fans here would say nothing about Romo, neither would I.
In Romo we Trust
Hmm
So we should have no opinion, least of all negative, about our favorite team’s starting QB?
Yeah, good luck with that, guy.
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Mar 13, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Peter Pan
Cause Greyhound sucks so much, you can’t even throw your QB under it
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Mar 13, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe not this year
But I think next year, the Cowboys definitely need to draft a qb. The round they pick one will depend on how Romo does this upcoming season.
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Mar 13, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Win a playoff game
When does he start?
Kid has talent, no doubt, but he lacks maturity and heart. No leadership.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
Actually Romo is all heart
that is one of the qualities that makes him a special qb.
In Romo we Trust
Romo has been very successful
because he has a burning desire to be the best and will do whatever it takes to accomplish that goal.
If he wasn’t all heart, he would have never made it from unknown div I-A undrafted FA to one of the very best qbs in the game today, would have been impossible.
Think Rocky Balboa.
In Romo we Trust
Romo
gets credit for getting as far as he has gotten, but he seems happy with where he is and doesn’t seem to have the drive to take his game to a championship level.
Here is what happened after “leading” his team to a humiliating azz-whupping by the Eagles:
“If this is the worst thing that happens to me, I will have had a pretty good life.”
By contrast, the first thing the Eagles’ Brian Dawkins said after his team was eliminated from the playoffs was to apologize to the fans.
Crashing in the post-season seems to be just fine with Romo
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
"seems" is the key word
thats your perception, but it isn’t reality.
Romo’s comments after the game came from a mature, rational man and I thought they were extremely appropriate.
In Romo we Trust
I do
express my opinions and don’t represent them as indisputable fact.
You, on the other hand, believe your inflated opinion of Romo is the Gospel. It ain’t.
They show these games on TV, Terry. We can all watch the team play and form our opinions.
So far, Romo has proven to be a choker. Time will tell if he takes his game to a higher plane and wins the games that count.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
I will say this....
The only game where I’ve considered it a Romo choke was in Seatlle.
I have never thought of the Giants game as a choke job.
Has he won a playoff game? No.
But he won alot of big games in 2007. Green Bay for homefield advantage essentially, I thought was a HUGE game. As were both of the Giants games.
Terry states things as fact, like he lives with the dude, but I see things pretty realistically.
If Crayton doesn’t drop that pass, Romo’s entire persona could be viewed differently. I hate putting that on one dude, but I’m pretty sure it’s true.
You score a TD at the end of the first half and defense/special teams lets a teams go down the field and score a TD with less then two minutes left on the clock…. I don’t put that on a QB.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
Don't judge Romo by those comments...
I pains him to lose. Read “Spags” article on DallasCowboys.com for a different perspective.
http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/news.cfm?id=FCD30BD8-D828-CC34-156633F83354903C
Romo hates to lose and maybe he has gone overboard trying to disguise how much it hurts him. Remember he was unconsolable after the Seattle loss.
Garrett needs to get a clue!
You're R-something your @ss off?
Rolling
Ricocheting
Rollicking
Romo-ing?
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Mar 13, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions
He looked devastated after the Iggles game last season
Anyone who thinks this guy doesn’t care about winning isn’t paying attention. His problem is he tries to do too much. One complaint that is justified about Garrett, is that he puts too much on Romo’s shoulders with his pass heavy offensive game plans.
Get some more balance with the running game, and work on shorter developing pass plays, etc.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Mar 13, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep
blame the coaching.
Hey, if Romo is ever half as good as Terry thinks he is, I will be ecstatic. He may very well mature into a championship quarterback, and I hope he does because he is wearing the Star.
But Romo is a long way from Canton right now.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
+1 Tom...I actually believe Garrett is a major determent, or obsticle in the way of Romo's progression.
He should be focusing on game management, driving the bus skills, and getting away from the 3 WR’s 20+ yards down field crap….Run, run , run…..then go with the occasiona steak pattern to Austin.
Romo is most effective under Center, handing off, establishing the run, then his play action, and roll out skills expose every defense…In ‘06-’07 Romo was outside the tackle more so than in the pocket, and it gave him space to see the field, AND the ability to dodge the oncoming rushers…
I want teams to fear our running game, and fear Romo scrambling and even taking off for 10+ yard running plays while moving around. Since they’ll have no fear of our pass receivers anymore, He must get back to …roll outs, boot legs, heck even some option sweeps with Felix would freak teams out…They actually ran a little pitch out from a Romo roll out last season i believe…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 13, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
agree but.....
I didn’t like when Barber ran the sweeps cause he’s not fast enough to hit the edge. Too many times, he was dancing around and not hitting the hole.
that's his game...dance, juke, and jive...throw a stiff arm, and throw a shoulder into it...
which is why he sure looks better than he is, and is the rave of YouTube fame……..I"m a fan, but I see two better backs on our depth chart, making less money combined……
btw…..I mentioned Felix on the sweep…not M “olasses” BIII
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 13, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Shocked that didn't get you bombed
Saying there are 2 better backs on the roster is pretty provacative here. BTW, I tend to agree with you. Regardless who may be better today, I think Barber will be done in 2-3 yrs.
by StillHateTheGiants on Mar 13, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I think
This last season was hard on him… It seemed like he didn’t enjoy the game as much as he used to.
now that's funny....
kinda puts a new perspective on Rocky doesn’t it?-lol
This was my first mock for the year
After the Dorrell Scott pick I made a couple too early. LOL. I’d move McKillop and Shipley up and Foster and Johnson behind them now. Shipley is starting to move up.
The same with Reilly. I read that most teams have him rated as a lower round pick but the 49’rs like him and see him as a mid-round guy. It’s a crap shoot. LOL
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
GloryDayz88... from your mouth to Jerry's...
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/29667763/
I’ll call you Nostradamus. Or Kreskin. You choose. Jerry just said “The good news with our team right now is we can go about any direction we want to in the draft and pick the best player”
Oh… and it doesn’t look like he’s going to take a WR.
Yeah but that is the way JJ wants it, he is not going to tip his hand in what direction he wants to go
in the draft, we all need to face the fact that the team’s plan on how they are approaching the draft is completely speculative and to not believe a single word that comes from JJ in regards to player or roster moves.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
GM Jerry hates drafting a WR
So all those wishing for one can join the long line of second-guessing analysts behind Galloway & Hansen.
Res firma mitescere nescit
I'm glad Jerry wasn't the GM...
in 1988 then…. :-)
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And unfortunately he was the GM in ‘98…
When he passed on Randy Moss. :-(
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Brace
I was watching NFL network and Mike Mayock claimed he spoke to Matt Ryan about playing with Raji and Brace. Mayock said that Ryan almost gushed talking about Brace and his run stopping abilities. That exactly what we need, lets get him in the second round!
by beautifultyrant on Mar 12, 2009 9:17 PM CDT reply actions
being a run stuffer at Boston College
doesn’t mean much to me – still if he can at least take on a double team and not buckle thats good enough
by AustonianAggie on Mar 13, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I heard that last night on NFL network as well.....
maybe I heard it wrong because I was huffing and puffing on my exercise machine, but I thought Mayock said that Brace was stiff in the hips. He didn’t sound like he was that impressed with Brace. I may be wrong, but that’s what I thought he was saying. He did say that Matt Ryan did really like Brace alot though.
let's make a few things clear here....BJ Raji was not playing in '07- which was Matt Ryans last year
I am sure he’d be going gah gah over Raji more so than Brace if he had to face him in practice his final year..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 13, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, they were saying last night that there's a big difference.....
between Raji and Brace. If I heard correctly he didnt lke Brace’s hip movement.
That's because you can't see Brace's hips with all that girth surrounded them..
:-)~
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 13, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions
so true......lol
from my very limited knowledge of judging DLineman, his stiff hips meant that he would’nt be the best at lateral movement. He would be a good run stuffer but he questioned the lateral movement.
btw.....
it’s gettting real interesting in Denver with Cutler/McDaniels. Apparently, Cutler has put his house up for sale.
Talk about being a big baby
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Mar 13, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, the media's turned on him....
saying how he better be happy he has a job cause there’s a lot of unemployed QB’s right now. Oh man, these QB’s with the egos!
He's really ruining his rep....what a friggin baby.....security issues or what ?
Ryan Leaf II
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 14, 2009 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Cutler wants out, he wanted out before the trade talk started
back when one of his coaches left (not shanahan) to USC. I do no know where he wanted to go but now he has sold one of his homes. The part that irks me is that he is trying to put the broncos over a barrel by turning this on them even though he wanted out to begin with. I do not like that kind of two-faced approach of indignation when it’s what he wanted all along.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
Cutler is going to command a huge contract
if he moves from Denver – he’s highly desirable
by AustonianAggie on Mar 14, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree.....
what we really don’t know though is what is really being said behind closed doors. Right now, the media is making Cutler look really immature but we don’t know really what the Broncos are doing. The story could be very slanted. I’m not taking up for the guy, but something smells kinda fishy.
Agreed
It’s very important to fill your needs in FA as cheaply as you can in the position the Cowboys are in. Talent in the first 22, you’re looking for the guys that can catch on with ST/backups and work thier way in when the opportunity presents itself.
This is an awful draft for ILB but I believe they would like to solidify this position as quickly as possible to discontinue the aged fill-in.
You can’t draft quality tackles in the draft position the Cowboys are in year in and year out. Tackles are drafted in quantity in our situation. We need a young one and I hope that is Free. Otherwise spend three to four on tackles.
Safety in the 2nd is not the way I want to go now. It appears plenty of safeties will be available at 69. My priority with the 1st 2 picks are DT and and OL
He'll be starting for the Cowboys in 2009 Tex.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
And 2010, and 2011 and 2012 and most likely 2013...
Get over it
by nicholas.rodriguez on Mar 13, 2009 2:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Damn
I was really hoping the Cowboys would win a playoff game before I died.
by StillHateTheGiants on Mar 13, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Offensive Linemen...
Again let me repeat… Offensive Linemen…
This team is just one injury away, on the line, from another disastrous season. Do any of you think they will go all 16 games without a single injury to the line?
I was hoping they would add depth both through free agency and the draft.
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especialy when we will rely more on the running game
OL seems to be clear priority, if same thing happen like last year, we dont have TO to throw to and make up for bad run blocking.
LOL too many “to’s” in the line above
I am really suprised OG Mike Goff-SD is still on the fee agent open market...He would have been my choice at OL upgrade....
Maybe his price drops over the coming weeks..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 13, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Dirty Dozen
Remember 1975? It is error to think we couldn’t add 10 to 12 players; this team is not that good. There is a problem with that silly new rule that any cut rookies salary counts against us next year, or something like that . . . but, our special teams, o-line, d-line, both safety spots, third tight end, blocking fullback, third QB, ILB, — it is not hard to find 10 to 12 spots; and remember that guy Horton the Redskins found in the seventh round; Dallas had the very first pick in the sixth, and basically flushed it down the toilet last year.
Dude, its 2009. The draft has considerably less rounds.
I would love nothing more than a draft like 1975 but I would also love to win the powerball. I just dont see either happening though I wont give up hope. Terry and others have listed where 9-12 positions could easlily be replaced. I agree with those position but in every round that passes those chances get less and less. It might be easly to get the first 3 guys with picks in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th picks but then things start getting iffy. I hope it can happen and it has happened but its a reach. I dont need to look at Horton in the 7th, I can look at Ratliff or even Romo undrafted.
I disagree Glory
with your assertion that there is no conceivable way 9-11 rookies can make the team. I think it’s extremely conceivable actually for 9-11 rookies to make the team over some of the current backups we currently have on the roster.
You can’t argue that the following can’t conceivably happen.
rookie QB > B Bollinger
rookie WR> S Hurd or Stanback
rookie OL (2) > Proctor and McQuistan
rookie DL (2) > Tank and Bowen or Hatcher
rookie LB (2) > Carp and Rogers
rookie CB > A Ball
rookie S > Watkins or Brown
In Romo we Trust
You got a point here. We need a lot of roster upgrades
I do not think Bowen, Hatcher or Ball are failing to make the roster. Carpender is tradeable for a low pick and I can see the team moving on if they again do not like what they see in camp. It is very likely that Protor is making the team. His ability to play center and the fact they considered him worthy of a second round tender are two reasons.
There are corner spots open other then Balls and if things go well then both Watkins or Brown fail to make the team. Eight or nine rookies is not unlikely and having 11 shots to pick them does not seem outragous.
im interested
in seeing what carp and a ball do this year…
as well as seeing if stanback and watkins come in healthy
by CowboysFan4Life on Mar 13, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah i think we should just play carp
if he is terrible lets live with it for a loss or two. we need to see if he should be released next year
Pat White
How far does QB White drop after not running WR drills on his pro day?
Kitna is a catastrophic insurance policy, but we still need to look to our future at QB. If Romo doesn’t get his act together, the future may be sooner than we think.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
don't think, Romo IS the future
Regarding your White question, if he goes into the draft just as a qb, he’ll be selected in 6th or 7th rd at best and might not even be drafted at all.
If he tells the league he is willing to play other positions and holds some private wrokouts for teams where he can run routes, catch punts, etc…he might go as high as 2nd rd.
To think he could eventually become our franchise qb someday is ridiculous, he’s simply another Seneca Wallace..no more, no less.
In Romo we Trust
Oh Heck No.
Don’t be getting us another running qb. I don’t mind some scrambling ability, but a running qb will not make it long. If we just look at his offensive stats we are going to delude ourselves. Defenses are alot faster in the NFL than any running qb ever faced in college.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
Pick another
QB in the late rounds then. Romo has talent, no doubt, but he just loses interest in playing football after November. That won’t get it done in Dallas.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
Dude...
You are making me defend Terry, and I don’t appreciate it.
That’s simply a bogus statement.
If you simply lose interest in something, you probably don’t put any effort into it at all and I have never thought that.. well maybe besides the Eagles game but that was EVERYONE.
Romo leads a comeback against Detroit in december of 07 and leads a semi-comeback against the ravens TWICE just to watch his defense give up two huge TD runs.
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Romo is now and hopefully the future
The Packers drafted a number of quality QB’s in Farve’s tenure. Eventually one of them replaced him. The others retured trade value beyond their draft cost and in the mean while protected the team in case of an injury or a fall off in play. Dallas would be wise to follow thier pattern.
Ron Wolf used to do that
And I always liked his system. Didn’t , mean they were there to replace Favre, but they had insurance.
Left Tackle
I have the feeling that in next years draft (2010) we will go LT in the first 2 rounds. I hope we can develope a LT but our recent history says we arent that good at developing Oline. Its kind of frustrating. This seems to be one of our bigger problems. I can also see us waiting til the 2011 draft to draft a QB early for the future. Its not that we wont attempt to take a 2nd day flier but rather it seems a reach to think we can bank our future on 2nd day guys and undrafted FAs.
I havent heard anyone yet mentioning the trading away any of our picks for next years picks. I believe draft picks are worth a round higher if traded away for next year. If we do end up with 11 picks and they will count against the cap if cut then why not take an opportunity to invest in our future. I wouldnt have a problem with trading away 2-4 picks for next year. If the right guys fall at the right time and we can pick up guys rated high on our board with picks in the 2nd- 4th round why not.
Raf, I realize our history doesnt show us taking a oline in the 1st but at one time we had a much better track record of developing those guys.
It is frustrating that
the only way Jerry gets a good O lineman is FA – why have we missed on so many OL draft picks in the past?
Is it really because
we just don’t have the coaches to help them develop, or is it that they were bad draft choices to begin with?
Im with you on that. I cant figure it out. Is it our guy that grades college lineman.
Our we picking guys that fit our scheme. Is our Oline coach(es) not as good as we think. Are we to scared to pull the trigger on playing Free and McQ. It maddening.
There has been a few OL coaches
It’s hard to imagine at least one of them wasn’t any good.
by StillHateTheGiants on Mar 13, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions
lineman
in my personal opinoin, i think lineman should be had through free agency, drafting lineman is far too risky, especially high.
well being how i base most of what i assume is good for THIS TEAM, i will have to respectfully disagree.
in all honesty, there has been a handful of lineman out of the last decade that were taken in the first round that really awed me. Lineman are best chosen in free agency where you know what your getting.. the game is way to fast for a lineman to make the jump, feet have to be incrediblly fast, you have you get your head in the game, and pushing around other college guys, isnt anywhere close to being pushed around by demarcus ware
by missingthe90s on Mar 13, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
I believe QB, WR, TE, S are all higher bust position the Oline.
The beauty of drafting a tackle is if he doesnt end up with the right feet it an easy slide to guard. Tackles are already big an athletic but often fail because of short arms or bad feet. Moving them to guard keeps it from being a bust.
Draft Rounds 2 and 3 have been good
for THIS TEAM as far as OL goes
2nd round – Andre Gurode
2nd round – Flozell Adams
2nd round – Larry Allen
3rd round – Eric Williams
3rd round – Mark Stepnoski
I’m not sure if we ever drafted an OL in round one? Maybe back in the 60’s or 70’s?
i thought gurode was a 4th rounder?
Al Johnson was a second… Jerry was a guard, you’d think we’d be very good at this.
by AustonianAggie on Mar 13, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
OK, here is the breakdown of OL we've drafted since 2000
2008 – none
2007
3rd – James Marten
4th – Doug Free
2006
7th – E.J. Whitley
2005
6th – Rob Petitti
2004
2nd – Jacob Rogers
3rd – Stephen Peterman
2003
2nd – Al Johnson
2002
2nd – Andre Gurode
6th – Tyson Walter
2001
5th – Matt Lehr
7th – Charron Dorsey
2000 – none
Raf is right. You really have to go back into the 1990’s to say that we’ve drafted great OL.
Since 2000 all we have to show for today, as a starter, is Gurode.
That’s 1 out of 12 – STUPID DRAFTING or SORRY COACHING?
wow that's going back
only gurode in the last 10 yrs. The other guys might as well be another franchise it’s been so long.
by StillHateTheGiants on Mar 13, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions
LT seems to be a position that doesnt have a high bust rate in the 1st round.
I have said in the past that LT is a position that everyone knows exactly what to look for to find a guy that can play the position. In last years draft 8 were taken. It seems 5 years ago some of those guys last to the late 2nd to early 3rd round before being picked. Now teams are so confident in their ability to access players they dont fear over drafting them.(maybe they are that valuble) Pittsburgh and Philly both have no problem with big guys early and are better teams.
His first two years McQ was
considered our next LT. Parcells was very high on him. Then he was downgraded to Guard because he had slow feet, now the guy is in the doghouse and could be bumped by a rookie this year.
because........
o lineman are so hit and miss through the draft youd be better off trying to find a WR, and there bust rates have been well documented via this site, theboysblog, and blueandsivlerreport.
You draft a lineman anything past the top 10 picks your probably going to get a lemon.
by missingthe90s on Mar 13, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
I still dont understand why he was not tried earlier at guard during the season instead of Proctor.
Ive been told he is an agressive guy who wouldnt have been pushed back. He at one time was though enough of to have the feet to play LT and suddenly didnt have the feet for Guard. He is bigger and stronger than Proctor. He backed up LT. Yet the guy didnt play until the end of the year. Ron Stone anyone.
Risky? Draft analyst ususally say that the OL are some of the "safe" picks
that’s why the go so high in round 1
Just last year
Round 1 OL drafted included Jake Long, Ryan Clady, Chris Williams, Branden Albert, Gosder Cherlius, Jeff Otah, Sam Baker, Duane Brown
OL in recent drafts
just have not worked out…Al Johnson, Jacob Rogers, Stephen Perterman, James Martin, Doug Free = 2 #2’s, 2 #3’s and a #4 – only Doug Free is still with the team. I just think the Cowboy scouting Dept needs to do a better job of researching and targeting an OL player and go get him in the 1st round – the boys have spent alot of high picks on D since 2002, many that are no longer with the team or are ready to go ( Roy Williams, Derek Ross, Bruce Thorton, Kevin Burnett, Chris Canty, Bobby Carpenter and Anthony Spencer hasn’t shown much yet ) I just think the Boys don’t have the ability to develop OL – they’ve done well in FA – Koiser, Colombo and Davis – why not just continue to go after FA and trade picks for decent starters ( Holland)
We need to improve at picking, going the FA route is expensive and we have even gone after a Tackle yet.
Columbo doesnt count. His injury changed his value. Good LTs rarely if ever are available in FA. FA should be used when we miss on draft picks and WRs.
round 2 and 3
ya, good players , but over how many years -count them = 20 – so once every 5 years we hit on a guy in rounds 2 or 3 – time to go after talent in round one
I think I saw a stat during a game that said Dallas has never drafted a round 1 OL player
by AustonianAggie on Mar 13, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Funny
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Mar 13, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
None Recently
But we’ve done it four times in the past:
Scott Appleton, T, 1964
John Niland, G, 1966
Robert Shaw, C, 1980
Howard Richard, T, 1981
haha
I think there is interest in 90 % of the guys for the right price.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
I'd absolutely sign him for million this year
He’s a proven vet who could sub for any of our CBs in case they got injured.
In Romo we Trust
yep we missed on Bodden, but should go for S Role
it will give us more flexibility, plus you are not marrying the guy, if something comes up you can always cut him
Because...
He’s not young and he’s had some injuries mainly.
He’s a 32 year old corner who has lost a step.
If you get him for the right price then yeah sign him, I think he’d probably bring you pretty much what Henry brought you.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
I'd probably go for Dre Bly over Rolle....
cause he’s a little younger by a hair.
Maybe...
I don’t think Bly would be a horrible nickel or dime corner, but he’s not longer a starter.
And one of the problems with guys like Bly are that sometimes they have a hard time taking a backseat role.
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I haven't really seen him play for Denver.....
but some of the analysts on Sirius were saying that a lot of the fault with Denver’s defense is their Dline and not their secondary. I don’t know. They were saying her still had some game.
I would look at Ken Lucas instead...
You can never have enough Good Corners….
Lucas...
would be more expensive.
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+1 Rolle has always been a favorite of mine...
He will come cheap too….concerns over the neck injury though…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 13, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm a Seminole fan
But Samari is finished. I know some of his troubles have been the result of Ed Reed’s unwillingness to stick to the coverage, but Samari is still toast.
Pour out some liquor for the homie T.O.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Mar 13, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
But won’t he want a starting role?
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Mar 13, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Think of it
TNew and Role on the corners
Hamlin and Sensabaugh at safety
Jenkins and Scandrick as 3rd and 4th CBs (nickle and dime)
I like the sound of THAT!
I think Jenkins is already better now and by week 16 Jenkins will be top 10 corner in the NFC.
We draft him in the 1st. He needs to play.
yea...we really need another CB for depth
based on the last couple of seasons, its almost a given that a CB or any DB will go down at some point during the year. Role could fill this spot pretty well if we can afford him…If it were me, I would only want to offer hima a 1 year contract, but you know hes looing for a 3 year starting job. However, if somehow he did land w/ us…we REALLY could pick the overall best player on the board.
Samari Rolle is gonna be released...
Any takers?
A Cowboy fan from Dallas residing in enemy terretory since 1990..
whats his age again?
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
Doesn't he have a seizure disorder?
Pretty serious ailment for anyone, let alone a football player.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Mar 13, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
yea...it would be nice to have him for a year..
but its just not worth it for anything longer than that. I don’t want to start a trend of adding a ton of seasoned vets to the team. I think a few are important for leadership and experience. However, I would prefer vets that are “house-raised” through the cowboys’ organization. I feel like throwing money at vets from the outside (like Zach Thomas and all the ones this season) is less effective than extending contracts for veterans from within.
+1
I’m not really getting the frustration about the lack of free agent signings.
These guys that are getting released, although there are a small percentage that is about money, there is a reason.
I’m not against signing free agents don’t get me wrong, but this isn’t madden. You can’t just throw money around like crazy.
The funny thing about it, is the same people who are complaining about not picking up free agents are some of the same ones who say, “you gotta build through the draft”. Haha
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
i'd take Holt in a heart beat.
he’s still a player, and would be an incredible asset in the slot. He and Austin would share reps as the no. 2 in 2 wide formations.
Rolle, not so much. The same production can be found in cheaper younger CB.
Dude, it's Miles Austin time - full time
this guy has a chance to be special, but Dallas has to give him the reps. Injury concern? Every player is an injury concern
by AustonianAggie on Mar 14, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
u dont say...they need #1 not #2 WR
on the other hand, knowing them I’ll be surprised to see them signing FA WR.
Pacman Jones...
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9321684/No-longer-sure-how-to-feel-about-Pacman
I wish we would give him another chance. He wasnt very good at punt returns but he was doing a good job at CB. We’ll sure need him.
He had...
One good game that I can think of, and that was against PIttsburg.
He looked lost out there to me.
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by AirforceBat on Mar 13, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I actually felt sorry for him in that Pitt game...
he took a couple of dirty hits if you ask me.
like that punt fumble pile
where he was yanked out of the pile and almost gave him a career ending injury
What the French?! Toast!
yeah, don't get me wrong.....
I’m not a PacMan fan, but that was really dirty and he was lucky to get out of that okay.
Pacman
Puke and lick it up and puke again. Use the Reagan doctrine, just say no
when the Pac was released he made a comment about being back with the boys. Then yet another incident surfaced same week as I recall.
Perhaps Jerry……….never one to give up on anybody………..told Pac keep your nose clean after I cut you and you can walk on at Camp.
Still I don’t think we need him. He played ok early on but looked rusty after the whole bodyguard incident……..and only Tony Romo dropped more balls than PacMan.
But with Jerry turning over a new leaf in the locker room and supposedly returning to character guys I don’t think Pac gets a 2nd chance.
He has had a lot of chances. Funny how now he sounds remorseful…………still how does JJ release TO and then bring back PacMan?
cant see it happening, he had his chance with JJ
and Jon you’re right after booting TO, cant justify bringing Pac back, nevertheless, signing of Sensi (whatever the rest of the spelling is) is making me nervous, JJ didnt exactly shut the door to trouble kids closed, did he?
Aikman called Big Game Torry Holt the best wide reciever playing the game………..for several years in a row.
If Roy Williams suffered from his surroundings then it had to be equally bad for Torry. Pretty much only Fitzgerald has any quieter off the field presence than Torry Holt.
Not sure how much gas is left in his tank………….but if the price is right?
I checked out the stats of Holt....
and up until last season he went over 1000 yds. every year except for his rookie year in 1999. He still caught 63 passes for over 700 yds. last year. That’s not bad if you ask me.
Yep check this out...
I remember(just from fantasy football purposes) that at one time he was the most consistent WR in football.
I think that he had something like 6 years in a row with 1300+ yards.
Just to put that into perspective, Jerry Rice didn’t even even do that.
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by AirforceBat on Mar 13, 2009 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd take him.....
Remember when Hakim,Bruce, and Holt were at their peak together with Warner? He can sure stretch the field and can take it to the house.
Yeah...
It didn’t hurt that they had the best all purpose runningback of all time on the team.
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by AirforceBat on Mar 13, 2009 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions
true.....
I always liked Faulk as well. If I were Jerry, I’d at least be checking this out. It would be pretty sweet to see Holt,Roy, Austin on the field together with Felix Jones in the backfield. What do ya think?
Yeah...
but not very feasible cap wise.
Tennessee will give Holt more.
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by AirforceBat on Mar 13, 2009 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions
holt would be awesome but look at the amazing optons out there
Drew Bennett http://www.nfl.com/players/drewbennett/profile?id=BEN215426
Marty booker http://www.nfl.com/players/martybooker/profile?id=BOO033965
bobby engram http://www.nfl.com/players/bobbyengram/profile?id=ENG735656
dj hackett http://www.nfl.com/players/d.j.hackett/profile?id=HAC504279
dante hall http://www.nfl.com/players/dantehall/profile?id=HAL247893
marvin harrison http://www.nfl.com/players/marvinharrison/profile?id=HAR608874
ike hilliard http://www.nfl.com/players/ikehilliard/profile?id=HIL717184
amani toomer http://www.nfl.com/players/amanitoomer/profile?id=TOO338982
tory holt http://www.nfl.com/players/amanitoomer/profile?id=TOO338982
I wouldn't call those...
amazing
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how about we sign Dante Hall as the punt returner
I don’t know how fast he still is but he had it for a long while
by AustonianAggie on Mar 14, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Torry Holt has silently put together better numbers than any other WR in the league, and was always considered top 5 overall this whole decade...
He’s an 8 time Pro Bowler…The only reason his numbers dipped over the past year or so was missing or banged up entire O linemen, QB, and RB…….He will/can demand big dollars on the open market, and I don’t expect him taking anything less than TO’s 6.5 million per year to sign somewhere…He’s 32 with plenty in the tank………He’s better than TJ Housh who signed for 7 mil per…IF I was Jerry, I’d be working something out, with an incentive laden 4-5 year deal voidable, or cap friendly after 3…….then trade Crayton for a 5th rounder….
He’s a stand up guy, well respected, doesn’t bicker over balls, and is better than Roy Williams..still at 32…….He’s got my endorsement….BUT very unlikely being discussed……
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 14, 2009 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Agree with you completely Numba....
Talk about explosive offense……
I think Holt is a great player
who’s on the peripherary of the hall of fame … depends on how many of those Rams get in… Faulk for sure, I’d say Warner for sure too now; Issac Bruce and Torry Holt will probably keep each other out, contending for each others votes.
That said, it’s time to roll with our own players that we’ve developed, I’d strongly prefer young journey men back ups to Austin, Hurd, Roy… guys who can play special teams so Miles won’t have to.
by AustonianAggie on Mar 14, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Not that I think that the Boys would go after Holt.....
but he did excel in Martz’s system which a lot of people say is very similar to Garrett’s. Just a thought.
haha.........
seriously though, think about it if Roy W and Holt both excelled in Marz’s system (very much like Garrett’s) it could be pretty awesome. I know, I’m dreaming, but it’s raining outside here and there’s nothing else going on.
Garrets first year was Martz like...........in points and a descendant of Air Coryell
His 2nd season was also Martz like………..like the Martz in Detroit maybe.
+1
Holt would only hinder the progress of Austin, Hurd and Stanback, these guys have to see the field, with Holt they wouldn’t.
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that's where you and I disagree.....
Not impressed with Hurd-just another Crayton. Austin or Stanback possibly, but this team is made to win now, not 2 or 3 years down the road., IMO, the only reason Austin was able to catch half the balls his way last year, was because TO took the coverage away. Whether you want to admit it or not, other teams are not scared of Austin,Crayton or Hurd. TO did scare these teams and that’;s why you need to find a good replacement if he was available. You do realize that RW is going to be double teamed every game right?
The double team argument...
It might be true, but I think that its time to find out.
You can also say, how many opportunities for catches can you get as the #4/5 option receivingoption on a team.
Austin has tremendous ability, he goes up for the ball and his fast as hell.
He could be crap, but it wouldn’t be because of the lack of ability.
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by AirforceBat on Mar 14, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I know where you're coming from...
and it makes sense but on the other hand I keep thinking back to 2007 when T.O. went down and our whole offense cratered. I guess we will find out this year, what these guys are made of but I hate to set our offense back because I feel like if we don’t do it this year, the window is closing. I’m not trying to be negative or pessimistic but if Roy gets hurt then we are stuck with Crayton,Hurd,Austin, and Stanback.
Yeah....
And I think it’s a totally different perspective going into 09 then when Owens went down at the end of 07.
The offense had already started to sputter when they played Philly the game BEFORE they played Carolina.
I don’t count the Washington game.
And the Giants… well New England only scored 14 points against them.
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by AirforceBat on Mar 15, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Austin's speed scares teams
just as much as T.O.’s did. I hope they double RW all season because Austin, Crayton and Hurd can all beat one on one coverage.
Who says we have to wait 2-3 years, these guys are ready to produce now..just have some faith…Jerry does.
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But more importantly......
Can he catch the ball consistently? Don’t anoint him just yet as the Pro Bowl receiver because he’s only caught 18 passes over 3 years. Teams are not afraid of Austin like T.O. If you don’t believe me, ask the Giants. They were ecstatic when we cut T.O. because they were scared of him. Maybe Austin will develop into a good receiver but to put him in the same category as T.O. is way off base.
He's not even close to TO. TO wasn't perfect but he understood playing WR like Austin doesn't.
Look, I was on board with cutting TO but these guys ARE NOT TO. TO had an off year, and I happen to think with just some basic improvement, and a renewed running game, that we might be able to absorb what TO did last season STATISTICS wise. But stats don’t show everything. These guys are going to have to hustle their a**es off to do it. I hope Austin and RW turn in monster seasons, but realistically if they can both just give us around 800 yards a piece that will hopefully be good enough.
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I never put Austin in the same category as T.O.
I said Austin has speed that teams fear, like they fear T.O.‘s speed, and it’s the truth.
I never said these kids were going to become all-pros, but they can produce well enough to get the job done. Don’t forget, they have an all-pro throwing to them, that makes a difference.
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They still gotta get open for him.
We saw last year that Tony didn’t have the time to always wait and let someone get open. Austin’s not only going to have to be fast, he’s going to have to be explosive off the LOS so that he can get open quickly. Getting open down the field only, when Tony’s already underneath a 325 lbs. D-lineman, won’t help.
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Kameleon.....
couldn’t have said it better. There’s a lot more to it than speed. Teams weren’t just afraid of T.O.’s speed-more his explosiveness off the LOS plus being very physical.
If I was Torry I'd be trying to go to a team like the Colts. Imagine playing with Peyton. He'd be a perfect fit.
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Did you guys see the post about Ted Leonis 10 step plan.
Its currently on the Redskin site but its excellent and it goes in to your guys drafted and FA. Believe in your young guys and dont sign guys that will limit their growth. If you believe in your program and you belive in your draft then play them and give them a chance. Its really worth trolling on their site for.
You hit the nail on the head.....
I don’t quite have enough faith in these other guys to step up and take over T.O.‘s spot yet. Not trying to be negative but they haven’t shown me enough yet. How many times have we seen guys like Peerless Price go from being a secondary receiver in Buffalo to being the go to guy in Atlanta-then totally bombing out?
These guys can be great and not be TO.
All we want is wins and an O that doesnt go in the tank when it gets cold.
I hope you're right....
because I’m not so sure about it yet.
Regardless of what they are they will never be TO.
For anyone thinking that heading into the season will be miserable and make us miserable with every other comment about how life sucks without that kind of Talent.
NE won 3 SB with quality guys who got open.
Sorry to disagree with ya Squid....
but Austin,Crayton, and Hurd are not “great players”. Apparently Bellichek thought that the WR position was something to be addressed because he went out and go Moss, Welker, Stallworth, and Gaffney. If you’ll look back to 2006, they should have beaten Indy and gone to the Super Bowl but their WR’s were very average to say the least. That’s why they went and got the ones that I just mentioned. That’s also why he went and got Galloway to add to his corps this year. I’m not saying that you have to get someone at the caliber of TO but we need someone better than our current crop.
Yes but NE didnt win with those new guys.
Welker is actually an Austin kind of guy. He is not great as far as an atheletic freak he just works hard and gets open and catches the ball. Thats what Im talking about.
Moss is a freak athlete and I would take him over Welker but its closer than you would think.
I know what you're saying.....
but a lot of the reason that Welker gets open is because the opposing defenses are scared of Moss (which they should be btw). All I was trying to say is that at this moment, Roy W. doesn’t scare opposing defenses like T.O. Therefore, these other guys are going to have a lot harder time getting open on their own without TO there to draw the coverage away. I forgot where I read it, but the Giants are very excited now because they feel we will be a lot easier to defend now. At this point, I think Welker has better hands than Austin anyway.
Austin is no Wes Welker...put that to bed..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 15, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Well...
Wes Welker wasn’t Wes Welker his first few years in the league.
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he actually did pretty good his last year in Miami.......
even in college he always had a knack for getting open. He has great hands and runs very good routes. The only thing that people didn’t like was his size.
Yeah but...
it took him a few years.
This is year 4 fo Austin, which is the same year that Welker ended up putting up numbers.
It’s all hindsight.
Regardless of what some people might say, no one KNOWS how good a person will be or won’t be until they get put in the spot.
I’m sure Miami wouldn’t have traded Welker if they’d known how good he was.
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by AirforceBat on Mar 16, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
unfortunately, that's why Bellichek is so smart.....
he sees a lot of things in players that a lot of other coaches do not see.
I Just said they could be Great and they still wouldnt be TO.
The comment was meant to be more of how unbelievably skilled TO was not some endorsement of those guys being great. I just want them to get open and catch the ball. I dont see greatness for either one either,.
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