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Time to Make Things Right Set the Left

Frankly, Greg Ellis’ drafting in 1998 instead of Randy Moss’ was shocking and maddening.  On film Randy Moss had superstardom written all over him.  At Marshall Moss caught an inside screen and took it to the house, Moss made the unbelievable acrobatic catch look easy, Moss sped by everybody on the field.  Greg Ellis was just another name (I did not keep up with the draft back then like I do now).

 

Considering what has happened the last eleven years maybe, and that’s a big MAYBE, the Cowboys made the right choice.  Ellis has been the consummate professional (for the better part of his career), has produced, and has been a good albeit outspoken teammate.  Randy Moss is a special receiver and has shown no signs of slowing down.  His character is questionable; therefore he is on his third team.  Both had an outstanding 2007.  However, many people (including myself) would have taken Moss.  It’s tantalizing to wonder how Moss would have produced with Aikman, Irvin, and Smith and beyond (along with all the drama).  But that’s purely speculative and another story.

 

All that being said, it’s time to cut ties with Ellis.  His production has slipped dramatically, his insecurities have affected team chemistry, and his whining is as annoying as Tucker Carlson’s bowtie.  A team can deal with a player’s whining and insecurities if the player produces at a high level (well, maybe not; look at TO).  However, Ellis’ playmaking days are over and so should his career with the Dallas Cowboys.  Why would a team need a slow, aging OLB that can’t play in space?  Some people will say that he’s still serviceable as a “pass rush specialist.”  Ellis did not prove that last year.  Add one more football year to his age and the task becomes even harder.  Give Ellis his walking papers; the team will benefit from it and so will Ellis.  Maybe he’ll find a team that can still use him.  How will Ellis’ release benefit the Cowboys?  It will open the door for Anthony Spencer as a full time starter without having to look over his shoulder.  Spencer is big, fast, and showed ability as a pass rusher, a solid complement to Ware.  What about a back up for Spencer?  There is always the draft.  I’ll let you do the research!  Nonetheless, it’s time to fix the LOLB.  It’s time to make things right and set the left.  Imagine what Ware can do with a "Robin!"

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I still believe Greg Ellis can produce,

but I also believe Anthony Spencer should become the starter and Ellis should be the backup. If he’s pissy about it then cut him.

"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips

by MrMinority on Mar 14, 2009 2:28 PM CDT reply actions  

He is an expensive

backup…counting 6 million against the cap. i don’t know if Jerry will save money himself but we can free up roughly 4 million to cut him, but there aren’t too many FAs out there that I would personally want..Lucas would be a good addition but at what cost, he might be willing to take a back seat to Jenkins and backup Newman but I’m not so sure and our #1 priority is to sign Ware for 100 years so it might be in our best interests to keep him around till at least we know what we get from the draft.

by nicholas.rodriguez on Mar 14, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Patience now...

We have a draft coming up. If we get a viable replacement , then look at the opportunities to trade or cutting. He is not a liability at present and it would be a concern to cut him without having a better or at least equal replacement. We are having a lot of changes on the defensive side of the ball. This would save cap room and thats good too. Will we lose too much continuity ?

by oldboysfan on Mar 14, 2009 3:39 PM CDT reply actions  

+1 oldboys....

I say proceed cautiously. I’m not saying that I particularly like his complaining and whining but you can’t just blow up the whole defense without having something firmly in place. I thought Spencer was okay last year, but I wouldn’t exactly say he played at a near Pro-Bowl level.

by texstar on Mar 14, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

We did...

proceed cautiously by letting the old folks like Ellis and Henry play. It seemed like the coaching staff was afraid to let the youngsters make mistakes. Let them play; let them learn.

Spencer did not play at a pro bowl level because he hardly played and he was hurt. He might if given the chance. You never know.

by beautifultyrant on Mar 14, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think you understood my point beautiful...

I’m trying to say that if you let Ellis go, you better have another good backup in store because so far Spencer either has been hurt/injured or hasn’t shown a lot when he’s been in there. I’m not all for keeping the old guys, I’m just saying that when you cut guys like Roy W, Henry, Ellis, you better make sure you have someone that can do better than them or you are opening up a can of worms. You can’t just cut your whole defense and start over.

by texstar on Mar 14, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1 on that

I remember alot of folks wanting to cut Ellis last year. What would have happened after Spencer went down with his injury then?

by WB3forMB3 on Mar 15, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree...

Cut Ellis and move on.

He was always meant to play DE in a 4-3 anyway.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Mar 15, 2009 12:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Spencer MUST step up

There are a bunch of available transition (4-3 DE’s in college moving to 3-4 OLB’s) in this draft, many of which will be available in the 4th round. I just can’t Jerry paying Ellis $6 mill for what he brings to the table.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Mar 15, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm starting to think that another OLB is a must

With safety at least somewhat taken care of, it might just be a top priority. I wouldn’t mind them using their first pick to take care of the need, assuming the value is there.

I know it’s beating a dead horse, and won’t likely happen, but after seeing Carpenter at just about every LB position that isn’t occupied by Ware, I think he’s best suited to play outside, backing up/pushing Spencer. I’m not sure he’ll be any better, but he’s played his best football at that spot, so might as well optimize his output or cut him. Just my two cents.

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by the red scare on Mar 16, 2009 3:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1...I believe LB is by far our biggest need at this point....an injury to any of the 4 starters and we're screwed...

Jasper Brinkley
Clint Simtim
Conner Barwin

Any of them there past #40……Best jump on one of them..

by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 16, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think

you’re right red scare. Even If Ellis is kept around, he was mostly ineffective. I know NT and S are high priorities, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the Cowboys drafted two OLB and a signed a couple through free agency like they did last Darrell Robertson for GT last year. Does anybody know what happened to him after they cut him?

by beautifultyrant on Mar 16, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

first of all...

Spencer will replace him. As far as backups if Jason Taylor has not been picked up and is cheap then give him a one year contract and let him compete with Spencer for the starting job while the boys draft somebodhy like Robert Ayers or Lawrence Sidbury.

by beautifultyrant on Mar 15, 2009 2:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Ayers will be long gone...

but Larry English, David Veikune, Connor Barwin or the aforementioned Sidbury will be available. Lots of options there, plus some backups still out there in FA for far less than $6M. I’m not worried. Cut bait.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Mar 15, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

we can't cut Ellis without a viable replacement

going into the season with just Ware and Spencer outside is simply moronic. Ellis will play for the Cowboys this season unless we draft a rookie who really impresses.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Mar 15, 2009 3:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Agree with ya Terry...

but is the word “moronic” your word for the day cause every post that I’ve seen of yours, your calling everyone a moron-lol?

by texstar on Mar 15, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not calling anyone a moron

I’m calling a statement moronic…big difference. If someone says something stupid it doesn’t mean they are actually stupid.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Mar 16, 2009 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know the difference Terry....

but you have a way of insulting people by putting someone down with different opinions than yourself. I said that I agreed with you so don’t be so sensitive. You might try disagreeing with someone in a less harsh way and then you wouldn’t offend so many people.

by texstar on Mar 16, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't put anyone down

just their comments and I’m sorry you don’t like my writing style, but its no different than you buddy Rnumba’s

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Mar 16, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's cool.....

didn’t mean to offend you but your writing style comes down a little harsh. I’m not trying to offend you, but moronic and clueless seems a little harsh.

by texstar on Mar 16, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

well, to me eliminating

your only depth at an extremely important position like OLB in a 3-4 seems very moronic to me.

Just calling it like I see it. ;)

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Mar 16, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you'll check my earlier statement.....

I was agreeing with you. You can’t just let Ellis go without someone else as good/if not better to take his place. I’m not completely sold on Spencer as the starter btw.

by texstar on Mar 16, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would be okay with Spencer

if he stays healthy, he gets hurt too much.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Mar 16, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

my point exactly....

so far, he hasn’t been able to stay healthy. I may be wrong, but I was at the Ravens game and I believe that Spencer was in there on those two long runs because Ellis got shaken up earlier in the game. If you go back and look at it, whenever Ellis was in there earlier, the Ravens couldn’t do a whole lot against us.

by texstar on Mar 16, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I happen to really like Ellis

I for one hopes he plays out his contract

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Mar 16, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like him as well.....

I don’t particularly like his whining to the media but he’s still a very good player.

by texstar on Mar 16, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pehaps...

you can be a little more open-minded like 5blings and numba1. Throwing a word around like “moronic” is pretty stupid, but you seem to have all the answers. Anyway, I obviously don’t agree with you. Cutting Ellis wouldn’t be the end of the world. Trust me, Spencer is gonna have a break out season, and the boys will draft an OLB this year to “groom”. They need one to back up either side. Hopefully Sidbury or Barwin.

by beautifultyrant on Mar 15, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

My only reason for cutting Ellis is the cap hit.

I’ve heard it’s around $6 mill and he’ll actually be paid around $2 mill. Around $4 mill dollars extra just in cap hit is a little unpalatable for me. I don’t mind paying $2 mill for a proven situational pass rusher but to take such a large cap hit is unreasonable when we could used the cap room to resign Ware.

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by kameleon_o on Mar 21, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

no trade value and what's the hurry

ellis still produces enough as a back up. he is in the last year of his contract. he is 34 so he has no trade value and we might as well wait until after the draft and see how spencer is doing in training camp. he may fetch a very low round pick and we got plenty of those with 11 picks, so we might wait until training camp and his trade value might be higher in future picks.

by CowboysFanatic on Mar 16, 2009 1:15 PM CDT reply actions  

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