Would Anyone Like to Dance?
by Jim Vance on Mar 14, 2009 9:56 PM CDT
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If you're going to dance, you have to have a partner. If you are going to trade at the NFL draft you need another team to be that partner. Who might be a dance partner for the Cowboys in this upcoming draft?
The one thing the Cowboys have an excess of this year is draft picks. A total of 11 picks with nine that can be packaged and traded for a player or higher draft picks, the two compensatory picks are off the table as they can't be traded. The Cowboys could also deal actual players drafted or next year's draft picks.
The Cleveland Browns were a disappointing team last year. They have a new head coach and a limited number of draft picks (5) in this year's draft. Two of those selections are in the second round. Would Cleveland benefit by swapping their #36 pick overall for the Cowboy's #51, Round 4 #113, Round 5 #148 and #158, Round 6 #184 and both Round 7 picks?
If this were to happen the Cowboys would still have their Round 3 #69 and Round 4 #97 as well as their two compensatory picks added to Cleveland's # 36. Moving up to #36 would put the Cowboys in better position to grab an impact player.
The Browns would still have their first-rounder at #5 overall, and two second round picks at #50 and #51 added to the late round picks if they trade with the Cowboys. The Browns have several needs to fill and could decide that quantity would give them the best chance at filling those needs. Another interesting scenario to consider is that the Browns' NT Shaun Rogers wants out of Cleveland and is a native Texan. The Cowboys are looking for an experienced NT and the nine-year vet has been rumored to have been shopped around recently. This is the crazy season.
Another possible dance partner could be the New Orleans Saints. They have 4 total picks in the draft - one in the first round at #14, two in the fourth round at #112 and #114 and one in the seventh round at #205. The Cowboys are just shy of having enough draft trade points to make a play for the number #14 pick even if New Orleans was willing. Based on what New Orleans has to offer, I don't see the Saints as a trade partner this year unless they would possibly offer up some future selections. Now, if B. J. Raji somehow slipped to #14 - I could see the Cowboys trying to make a run for him if New Orleans were willing to pass on him.
The Redskins have a limited number of picks this year, but with their recent signings and being a division rival, I can't imagine we would be willing to work a deal that might benefit them.
Here is a link to The Huddle Report where you will find a list of team draft selections as well as trade values. I've also provided a copy of the draft trade value chart with the Cowboy selections high-lighted. Don't be a wallflower, do you see any other dance partners out there?
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You want to trade seven picks for one?
Man, Dallas isn’t one player away from the title.
And nobody they get at 36 assures them he’ll put them over the top.
Dallas will try to move up. Be sure of it. There are a couple of players they really like who will almost certainly require a move up.
I’m looking at teams that like stockpiling picks, like Green Bay at 41, and maybe San Francisco at 43. It would cost one of the 4th and a 5th to play, but I can see that with Dallas having multiple picks in those rounds. But I can’t see cleaning such a satchel of picks.
Look, Roy Williams is Dallas #1. Start with that fact. He’s the first player from this draft.
by Rafael Vela on Mar 14, 2009 10:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
If that is what Cleveland wants to move up 15 spots, then they can get the next team on speed dial. I dont want to discount your point because it is valid, but seriously???
by Impatient on Mar 14, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a better and simpler idea
Talk to Jeff Ireland and see if he’ll flip you the #44 they got from Washington for Dallas lower 4th round pick. The numbers are about right on the old charts.
Moving up seven spots should get Dallas a quality player. And getting him with Dan Snyder’s pick would cheese off the Skins faithful, so you get a twofer.
by Rafael Vela on Mar 14, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you are right
But I dont think anything happens until draft day. Has there ever been a draft in the 20 years Jerry has owned the team that he hasnt made a draft day trade?
The Cowboys will be working their board hard and if the value gets anywhere in reach, they will pull the trigger.
Raf, any ideas how many players will get a first round grade this year?
by Impatient on Mar 14, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Raf, a question
In your post a few days ago, you wrote:
I was told this week that any draftees cut during trainin camp this year will have their salaries count against this year’s cap. That means Dallas could accrue more dead money should it use all eleven picks and see only five or six make the final squad. A source hinted that Dallas might seriously consider packaging picks to move up, in order to lessen the risk with its early picks and perhaps trade for 2010 selections if it finds itself at an uninspring section of its draft board.
If this is truly the case, it has enormous implications on how teams will apporach the draft. As you suggested in your earlier post, it could well motivate the better teams (who don’t have a lot of holes to fill) to unload their Day Two picks, thereby creating a huge buyer’s market. In essence, Day Two picks would be rendered virtually worthless as trade bait under such a rule change.
Because this new rule has such potentially huge ramifications, I’m surprised that I’ve been able to find absolutely nothing about it apart from your post. Is this change still just a proposal or is it a fait accompli? If the latter, do you have any links to any articles about it? I’d think that someone somewhere would have written about it as it would appear to violate the league’s “Rule of 51” which states that only the top 51 player salaries (and prorated bonuses) count against the cap in the off season. I know that the owners have opted out of the CBA but they have still chosen to honor the cap rules in the 2009 season.
So, considering that it apparently contravenes the rules currently governing the cap, such a change would seem unlikely – at least not without a great deal of corresponding public controversy and discussion. How reliable was your source on this? And do you have any additional info about this aside from what you mentioned in your earlier post?
by knickfan on Mar 15, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had not heard about it either
but a source passed it on and it is significant. I was told the team may
look hard at swapping this year’s picks for 2010 ones if they see better value.
also tells me they’re thinking really, really hard about whether this year’s or next’s
year’s draft will be better.
by Rafael Vela on Mar 15, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry Jim
That would be asking far too much to get Ragi. I think we could get a much better deal out of Cleveland. I realize the points don’t add up but they do have many more needs in this draft and only 5 picks. We could get a quality player at 36 and many have said that there is good players to be had in the middle rounds. It might just be one of those years to let our draft board come to us.
by oldboysfan on Mar 14, 2009 10:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Raji wont sniff 26
much less fall to 36.
by Impatient on Mar 14, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Firstly Jerry said he doesn't want a first rounder this year
A. It’s going to be hard to sign first rounders this year with the upcoming uncapped season.
B. The first round talent pool isn’t all that great this year.
C. Trading your entire draft for one player is dumb
by quincyyyyy on Mar 14, 2009 10:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
C.
Yep ask Mike Ditka how it worked out in New Orleans.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 14, 2009 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
which team traded with NO and
how did those picks fared in the league, does anyone know?
by dcfanz on Mar 15, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure if this is exactly right but
I think the Deadskins got Champ Bailey, Jon Jansen, Lavar Arrington, and Lloyd Harrison. I’m not sure if that’s all because I know that the Saints gave up all their picks that year, plus their 1st and 3rd rounder the next year, but it looks like with typical Deadskin stupidity they traded most of those picks away. The picks they did make that year in the later rounds I can’t tell if they were the picks from the Saints or not but it doesn’t look like it. I read somewhere that the Bears ended up getting most of the Saints picks out of the Deadskins.
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by kameleon_o on Mar 15, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
one would think with all those picks a team can rebuild for the long haul, but again
it is the deadskins lol
by dcfanz on Mar 15, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like for Jerry to trade around and come up with as many 2nd and 3rd round picks as possible. There's some real good players slotted to go in those 2 rounds.
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by kameleon_o on Mar 14, 2009 11:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would too
Unfortunately, the draft value chart says Jerry doesn’t have the ammo. Maybe he can squeeze a 2nd or 3rd in 2010 as they are typically devalued by a round.
by birdness on Mar 15, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please re-read the post
I’m not advocating the Cowboys trade up into the first round, nor did I advocate we swap 7 for 1. I speculated about different scenarios – and that’s all anyone does at this point, speculate.
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by Jim Vance on Mar 14, 2009 11:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's so all the kids at home can play along too - Draft value of our picks using the old outdated chart...
- 51 – 390 points
- 69 – 245 points
- 97 – 112 points
- - 68 points
- - 32.2 points
- - 28.2 points
- - 17.8 points
- - 14.2 points
- - 7.4 points
——————————————————————————-
Dallas – #51 & #97 = 502 points
for
Oakland – #40 = 500 points
—————————————————————————————- OR
Dallas – #51, #113, #210 = 472.2 points
for
San Fran – #43 = 470 points
—————————————————————————————- OR
Marion Barber III & #51 , #158
for
Shaun Rodgers & #36
(provided the deal is done after they take BJ Raji at #5)
——————————————————————————————— Then
Trade down with our 3rd rounder to retrieve earlier lost pick, giving us 3- 4th rounders :
Dallas #69 & #184 = 262.8 points
for
Houston #77 & #118 = 263 points
——————————————————————————————- Then
Package two of our 4th’s to get back in the mid-late third.
Dallas #113 & #118 = 126 points
for
Tennessee #94 = 124 points
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 14, 2009 11:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Barber for Rogers trade....
Has there hasn’t been any speculation that Marion Barber is out on the trade block?
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 14, 2009 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No trading Barber...
I want him back next year healthy and ready to smash all the other NFC east teams
by nicholas.rodriguez on Mar 15, 2009 5:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am sure Dallas braintrust realizes that MBIII is their only piece of trade bait over the next year or so...
Jamal Lewis will be 30 this year, so Cleveland can use a bonifide power running back.
We can use a pro bowl NT to shore up, and strengthen the middle of our D. Spears will not be resigned after this season…Ratliff moves out to DE, and we’re set on the D line for the next 4-5 years…With the 36th pick we can go any direction , OLB.ILB.SS,FS,OC,OG,OT
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 15, 2009 7:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you really want rogers?
I swear every time i see the guy hes huffing and puffing on the sideline always needing a breather.
What the French?! Toast!
by thebigham on Mar 15, 2009 7:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barber can't be traded
He just signed a contract last year with a big bonus. Remember that remaining bonus would all hit the cap the year he is traded. Choice is the tradable RB.
by StillHateTheGiants on Mar 15, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Choice goes nowhere...he's the future here..along with Jones..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 15, 2009 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't advocate trading him
I was making the point that Barber isn’t tradable.
by StillHateTheGiants on Mar 15, 2009 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know...I'm not wanting him traded either...just throwing out a scenerio....
Of course cutting TO, and taking a 9.665 million cap hit wasn’t expected either……especially seeing we didn’t have dynamic talent behind him, like MBIII does..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 15, 2009 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Choice Not Going Anywhere
I wonder if MBIII might actually have more value since we have already paid him; that presumes we could absorb the accelerated signing bonus that would hit our cap. Seems that the Redskins and other teams manipulate the cap; I guess we could roll some contracts over and create the space. I think we need the three headed running monster in place, however.
by Iowacowboy on Mar 15, 2009 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A 3 headed monster is great
But with the cap you have to manage the total. To have an abundance of talent at one position while you have significant needs at another doesn’t make a lot of sense. I’d prefer a 4 headed montster, but it wouldn’t make sense.
by StillHateTheGiants on Mar 15, 2009 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see one more season with MBIII....you just can't pay a guy 7 million a season that touches the ball less than 20-25 plays a game..
Your paying millions to Felix, so he’s going to need 15 + touches, and Choice has played his way into the mix and also deserves 10+ touches a game….That’s a minimum of 45 touches out of the RB per game…not going to sustain that for much more than a season…As we found out in NYG…you just can’t keep 3 top notch RB’s…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 15, 2009 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
btw....we averaged 29 rushing plays per game last year...
MBIII – 16 carries
Felix – 8 carries
Choice- 5 carries
Is that really the distribution we want from our RB’s over the next 4 years ?
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 15, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should average 35 next year.
Felix will get another 10 touches in the kicking and passing games. I just dont under stand worrying about money after the contact is signed. When the deal is done it not about what you pay its all about the CAP space.
by squidlo97 on Mar 15, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you just can't pay a guy 7 million a season that touches the ball less than 20-25 plays a game..
Which is it, 20 or 25 times/game. He averaged 24 touches/game before he got hurt including 53 receptions. That’s worth 7 million/year
by cow_fanatic on Mar 15, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But think what else that $7 million could buy
We all love Barber, but it’s not like however many touches he got wouldn’t have gone to Choice or Felix. Those guys aren’t bad either and I’m thinking they might have produced pretty well with those touches.
$7 million could pay 2-3 starting quality players at positions of need.
by StillHateTheGiants on Mar 15, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya see the problem here is MBIII has many fans here, and I'm one of them, BUT
It doesn’t make any fiscal sense to keep a high paying RB when we have 2 replacements already in place that are more than adequate to replace his production….when we have major depth problems at LB, NT, OL, WR, S
If we lose any of our starting LB’s, OL’s, WR’s, Safeties, or Ratliff….we are going to have serious serious problems..There are a few untouchables on this teams (Romo, RWilliams, Ware, Ratliff, Felix) everyone else is potential trade bait to me…
We’ve had numerous fan post made here saying Choice should start,
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2009/3/10/788420/tashard-choice-should-star
Jerry Jones himself discusses bring in Felix to start, etc. etc…
People want to bring in MBIII for goal line and to close out games ?? Give me a break with that…If the guy isn’t starting and rushing 20 times a game….He’s not worth 7 million a year…plain and simple…Seattle’s BJ Duckett or Baltimore’s McClain can do that…and they make less than a million.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 15, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The best argument to release TO IMO
was Rafael’s when he outlined how there were just too few passes to go around. How could an offense satisfy TO, RW, Witten and Crayton and yet find out what guys like Bennett, Austin, and Standback have?? Those guys were never going to develop without the opportunity.
It’s SORT OF the same situation here. I don’t think MB3 is going to be traded but the argument to me is how do we satisfy all three of these good RB’s with only so many carries to go around?? I mean, even at 30 carries a game that still just doesn’t break out the way any of us want it. Even if MB3 got 20. That would only leave 10 for Choice and Felix and that’s not enough and if you’ve got MB3 down to BELOW 20 carries a game then I don’t think that’s worth the money. This DOES NOT mean I don’t like MB3, or think he’s a very good RB. It’s just is a RB who carries less than 20 times a game worth that much??
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by kameleon_o on Mar 15, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's really a very simple question.
And the answer is that he isn’t worth what he is being paid. I absolutely love the guy and think in some ways he is exactly what the Cowboys need more of; a guy who plays his guts out all the time. But from a strictly business perspective, he is wildly over paid.
I disagree though with the concern over how to split carries. Barber handled JJ starting over him very well when he was clearly a better back. He isn’t like TO in that respect. TO would have caused major issues.
by StillHateTheGiants on Mar 15, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't mean that MB3 will start complaining because I don't think he will
I just don’t see him getting enough carries is all. And if he IS getting enough carries then that means Felix or Choice is being left out and I think that would be a mistake. I just don’t see enough carries to go around.
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by kameleon_o on Mar 15, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You worry about the over paying when you do the deal. Thats water under the bridge.
by squidlo97 on Mar 15, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I didn’t like the deal when Jerry did it. Typical of him, over paying guys because of his loyalty. That contract might haunt the Cowboys the same way Roy Williams did.
by StillHateTheGiants on Mar 15, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Witten not an "untouchable" ... or was that just an oversight?
by GalTex on Mar 15, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
had to have been an oversight...
he’s the best TE in football…
even though we have a quality te in bennett to groom as the starter of the future, witten is still the man and is one of the most consistent players on the team
by CowboysFan4Life on Mar 15, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that Bennett was brought in to replace Witten...
because Witten is still very young (26 yrs. old). I think he was brought in to be another TE addition.
by texstar on Mar 15, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly...
was just saying that if anyone thought witten was expendable bc we brought in bennett last year, they are wrong..,
by CowboysFan4Life on Mar 15, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Witten was initially was an oversight, but even he's not going to be untouchable forever...
unless they do away with the cap…ALL of these recently paid players contracts will be coming to the end at the same time…..do you keep a 30 yo TE at that point ? Or do you let your 25 yo super sub take over, and get value in trading away an aging vet for valulable draft picks..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 15, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you think so.......
He sure held up at the end of the year too, huh ? I expect more than 3.7 yards a carry for 7 million…..as do most GM’s.
.If fact, there was not a RB in the league that made more money and produced less yards per carry than Marion Barber..
There were only 2 other RB’s among the top 32 ball carriers that had averaged less than MBIII paultry 3.7 yards per carry..One being an old washed up bum in Jamal Lewis, and the other being draft bust gone off to Cincy Cedric Benson….Not the company I’d like to associate my supposed high dollar star RB running with….
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 15, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Choice but we have a good recent history of picking RBs. I actually trust us to be able to find another if needed
by squidlo97 on Mar 15, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
??? ya see....that makes no sense at all thinking of getting Choice before MBIII....
none at all..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 15, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This just isnt about a NT. Its about Ware as well. If MBIII is traded it roughly 10 million cap hit this year.
Thats 10 million less we could give Ware this year. Ware is going to have a Monster contract. If we get an extension done early enough we can word to get as much of it as we can on this years cap. This gives us one more year to stretch his signing bonus. I also think, and would love some help with this, I think if we redo his contrat early enough we can actually redo his salary for this year, by paying him 10 million in salary thats 10 less off of his signing bonus, ups his garantee and makes it better for both parties. He gets his cash and we get it as cap friendly as we can.
I love Choice but if he could get us the NT we want then trade him. We found him him in the 4th along with MBIII. I have no reason to belive we cant find another diamond in the rough. If we dont then I am more than confident in MBIII and Felix’s ability to get the job done.
Dont blister me if I get the Cap crap wrong. Im not an MIT graduate and the wording can be brutal and hard to dicipher. I get most of my info on this stuff from you guys.
by squidlo97 on Mar 15, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some scenarios
To move up in the 2nd round for a better quality player, but stay out of the 1st round:
To get to 50 (CLE) – takes 10 points – trade 51 (1st) and 210 (7th)
To get to 49 (CHI) – takes 20 points – trade 51 (1st) and 184 (6th)
To get to 48 (DEN) – takes 30 points – trade 51 (1st) and 148 (5th)
To get to 47 (NE) – takes 40 points – trade 51 (1st) and 113 (4th) for NE 47 (1st) and 151 (5th)
To get to 46 (HOU) – takes 50 points – trade 51 (1st), 148 (5th), and 184 (6th)
To get to 45 (NYG) – takes 60 points – trade 51 (1st), 148 (5th), and 158 (5th)
To get to 44 (MIA) – takes 70 points – trade 51 (1st) and 113 (4th)
To get to 43 (SF) – takes 80 points – trade 51 (1st), 113 (4th), and 193 (7th)
To get to 42 (BUF) – takes 90 points – trade 51 (1st), 113 (4th), and 158 (5th)
To get to 41 (GB) – takes 100 points – trade 51 (1st) and 97 (4th) for GB 41 (1st) and 201 (7th)
To get to 40 (OAK) – takes 110 points – trade 51 (1st) and 97 (4th)
To get to 39 (JAC) – takes 120 points – trade 51 (1st), 97 (4th), and 210 (7th)
To get to 38 (CIN) – takes 130 points – trade 51 (1st), 97 (4th), and 184 (6th)
To get to 37 (SEA) – takes 140 points – trade 51 (1st), 97 (4th), and 158 (5th)
To get to 36 (CLE) – takes 150 points – trade 51 (1st), 97 (4th), and 148 (5th)
To get to 35 (STL) – takes 160 points – trade 51 (1st), 97 (4th), and 113 (4th) for STL 35 (1st) and 194 (7th)
To get to 34 (NE ) – takes 170 points – trade 51 (1st), and 69 (3rd) for NE 34 (1st), 120 (4th), and 186 (6th)
To get to 33 (DET) – takes 190 points – trade 51 (1st) and 69 (3rd) for DET 33 (1st) and 159 (5th)
by BishopWest on Mar 15, 2009 12:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Each trade
already includes our 1st round (51) to move up and looks for the point difference through draft positions only, not including any players already on the team.
by BishopWest on Mar 15, 2009 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You may need to change..
..your calculator battery after that exercise Bishop. That was some high-falutin’ computin’.
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by Jim Vance on Mar 15, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and I guess you mean our 1st pick, not 1st round
by TONYINCC on Mar 15, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
thanks for the explanation
by BishopWest on Mar 15, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Outstanding Chart!
Well done.
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by 5Blings on Mar 16, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Compensatory Picks (non-tradeable)...
If anyone would like to see a breakdown of which teams will receive (and an estimate of their value) compensatory picks, check out the link below….
Or wait another 9 days. I got the above from the Football Outsiders (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/extra-points/2009/projecting-2009-compensatory-draft-picks).
Enjoy!
by BVandy on Mar 15, 2009 12:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good find
That guy’s estimates are very reasonable. Either a 5th and 6th, or two 6th’s sounds right.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Mar 15, 2009 2:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
-1
shaun rogers dont want his out of shape butt here
What the French?! Toast!
by thebigham on Mar 15, 2009 6:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
out of shape ??? seriously ?? YET everyone wants to draft a NT.....too FUNNY..
Does Ron Brace look like he’s in shape to you ??? YET ..All you forked tongued guys would go gah gah if we drafted that fat bastard……
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 15, 2009 7:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
idk about that but
theres a difference rogers has been in the league how many years? He’s been working with a pro team of trainers dieters etc.. and yet he still cant manage to stay on the field for 4plays in a row.
What the French?! Toast!
by thebigham on Mar 15, 2009 7:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All those 320+ lb guys are fat
Show me a guy who is slightly over 6 feet tall who weighs that much who isn’t fat. It’s just the way it goes. People think Rat is too small but you can’t have both. How many of those “rotund” NG’s are 4 down players? (none of them)
by StillHateTheGiants on Mar 15, 2009 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL! Seriously, has anyone not seen a 330 pound behemoth not sucking wind after a play or 2.
by squidlo97 on Mar 15, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Flo and Bigg
They play the entire game. but I agree, a stout run stuffing NT is a 2 down position, then Rat slides over on passing downs.
by birdness on Mar 15, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He stayed on the field long enough to garner Pro Bowl honors last season ?
Hopefully he doesn’t go 4 plays in a row…that would mean a few 1st downs were given up ?
He would preferably be on the field for 1st and 2nd downs….like most NT’s..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 15, 2009 7:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Put Rogers on a good defense and he won’t need to play passing downs because it will be 3rd and long.
Add an above average offense and this guy will excel.
Not sure you can get excited playing for the Lions than the Browns.
by oneforthethumb on Mar 15, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by CodeNamedG on Apr 13, 2009 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the point chart
that jimmy came up with is terribly terribly out of date. its based on an NFL that doesn’t have free agency. between the inability to hold players with minimum contracts for several extra years, and the exhorbinant of guaranteed money now involved in high drafted rookies, the point chart is incredibly top heavy and has lost a lot of the accuracy it once had.
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by ivysafety39 on Mar 15, 2009 8:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd agree the value chart
is not accurate at the top because of the changes in compensation and the salary caps. But I’d also argue that the values after certainly the first round, and maybe midway through the first round, are not unreasonable. Given that we’re largely talking about 2nd round picks and lower, the chart probably isnt far off.
by Ridgelake on Mar 15, 2009 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is out of date
but no one should be looking at it as a “locked in stone” thing anyway. It just gives you something that you can look at quickly when offered/offering a trade. If someone offers you their 3rd and 6th round picks to move up and get your 2nd rounder then all you have to do is look at the chart and it gives you an IDEA of whether or not it’s something you can live with.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
by kameleon_o on Mar 15, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barber
How often does a team have the depth at a specific position which would allow them to trade a great player who won’t really be missed? I love Barber, but this is an opportunity for us. I think we could get great value for him now. In two years. . .no. Anyone who thinks we can run this three running back rotation for more than a year is nuts.
by connery on Mar 15, 2009 8:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The cap hit to trade Barber would be about $10.3 million
So between Barber and TO, that would be almost $20 in dead money. Dont see it happening.
by WB3forMB3 on Mar 15, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is my thing...
I like all three of the runningbacks, but there is alot of faith going into two runningbacks that really don’t have that much experience and one of them has already missed over half a season with an injury.
Plus, no one is going to want to pick up Barber’s contract.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 15, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah they would
He has $16 mil guaranteed, of which, we have already paid $12 mil of it. His yearly base salaries are manageable. The problem, again, is that we cant afford to trade him and take a $10 mil cap hit.
by WB3forMB3 on Mar 15, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MBIII played
hurt most of last year.
I am not ready to give Jones the reigns at RB.
Let’s see him play a full 16 games season without injuries.
by oneforthethumb on Mar 15, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trading the Barbarian...
… would not really fit into the Romo-Friendly offense this year, IMO. Romo-Friendly is Jerry-speak for ‘more focus on the running game’. If indeed we are going to be more of a running team, we would need 3 good backs, right?
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
by Jim Vance on Mar 15, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree Jim
If we ever wanted to become a “running team” then now is the time…We are LOADED at RB!!!!
You'll never get in a traffic jam,while going the extra mile. -Roger staubach
by TrueBlue24 on Mar 15, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How big an opportunity?
Last year showed you won’t get a big return for a back, because there are so many quality backs found in free agency or in the lower rounds of the draft.
Nobody will give Dallas a king’s ransom for Barber.
Show me a team willing to part with a 2nd for Barber. There may be, but I’m not aware of any
teams out there ready to spend a big pick on a runner with miles on his odometer and a big
contract.
by Rafael Vela on Mar 15, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's see Jones
play a full season before any predictions
I have been reading the same thing about Stanbeck the last two years.
by oneforthethumb on Mar 15, 2009 9:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There's a man with perspective.
Finally some sense.
Pour out some liquor for the homie T.O.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Mar 15, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL apples to oranges
1. Felix is/was a RB coming out of college
StanbAck is?was not a WR in college
2. Felix still averaged 8+ ypc in college, and that translatedto the NFL(at least over the small sample size we saw
Not sure how many Catches StanbAck had, but I know it wasnt many
3. we are talking first round, come right in and produce back
StanbAck was drafted in the 4th I believe as a project wr with huge RAW potential
the comparison is ridiculous
by TONYINCC on Mar 15, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And don't forget, Felix has already demonstrated he can be a NFL star
Stanback hasn’t even demonstrated he deserves to be on an active NFL roster.
by StillHateTheGiants on Mar 15, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
by kameleon_o on Mar 15, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
how many games did jones play last year?
what makes you think he can pay 16 this year no less a full 16 games of NFL hitting?
by oneforthethumb on Mar 15, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because his injury wasn't a contact injury
Stanback is the one you should be asking about, he’s had more than 1 yr and hasn’t stayed healthy yet. Using your logic, we should also be very concerned about Barber since he got hurt last year, his first as a starter.
by StillHateTheGiants on Mar 15, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No not really
I never said MBIII was injury free. That’s why I like the 3 RB’s.
Everybody loves Jones. All I want is to see the guy play a full year injury free.
MBIII plays a much different game than Jones.
Regarding Stanbeck I don’t disagree with you. I would cut him. Hasn’t done anything but been hurt since we drafted him. I rather sign Holt and cut Stanbback.
by oneforthethumb on Mar 15, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 15, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope we do trade Barber
Then after we go 7-9, I want all the people who wanted to trade Barber to put on the dunce cap, and stand in the corner next to all the people who wanted to cut T.O.
Pour out some liquor for the homie T.O.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Mar 15, 2009 9:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We will get over T.O. fairly fast
As long as were winning.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Mar 15, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
as for TO pssssh, next question, been there done that, TO is not here anymore, so for the TO apologists its time to move on
by TONYINCC on Mar 15, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You will hear and read about TO all through the 2009/10 season
The Whata- shoulda -coulda’s are always going to be there. Get use to it
by 082288 on Mar 15, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You do realize that.....
T.O. has already helped that poor Buffalo team. Their ticket sales have picked up, his jersey is selling etc. Say what you want but his signing has helped that poor team a lot.
by texstar on Mar 15, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling you might see the Bill's on a couple of national braodcasts as well
by 082288 on Mar 15, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1.....
Considering how bad they were last year, it was a brilliant move if you ask me. What do they have to lose?
by texstar on Mar 15, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
The Bills definitly needed something to pump their fanbase up.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 15, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad we don't play them...
That’d be a Monday nighter to see
by Realist Larry on Mar 15, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
GD dont tell me you are blinded by shiny things
My only jersey left of current Cowboys is Barber, However, I think taking from one position of abundance to add to a position of need is smart. Also, with RBs they only last so long, and there value drops significantly once they hit their wall, so I dont know how close to Barbers wall we are, but if we ARe going to trade him, we need to do it while his value is hi, not when its too late.
by TONYINCC on Mar 15, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blinded?
Wouldn’t Shaun Rogers be a shiny thing?
How many backs did we go through last season? And what is Barber like 27 or 28? With a low number of career carries. I don’t think the “wall” is anywhere close.
Barber got banged up down the stretch, in a season where the entire offense struggled. I need a better look at Barber than that before I am ready to dump him. I also need a longer look a Choice before I can say he needs to be a lead back. I would also like to know if Felix’s injury was a fluke, or the beginning of a trend.
Shiny things? No, I’m interested in known commodities like Barber. With a playoff caliber roster, I don’t like to allow entire seasons to rest on the unknown.
Roy Williams is a question mark. Miles Austin is a question mark. You want to add another question mark in the backfield. Be my guest.
Pour out some liquor for the homie T.O.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Mar 15, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
MBIII is one of the things right with the Cowboys
by Iowacowboy on Mar 15, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree but,
The way barber plays that wall could only be one play away. having said that. I would hate to see him go any time soon
by 082288 on Mar 15, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everybody is one play away from being done.
Pour out some liquor for the homie T.O.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Mar 15, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
The entire offense struggled last year.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 15, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We went 9-7 with TO.
So what that we cut him?
by Johnny Cage on Mar 15, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And won zero Playoff games
when the gamechanging, big-name/big-money guys are supposed to make a difference
by Realist Larry on Mar 15, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who's this T.O. guy? Never heard of him...
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Mar 15, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+100 Glory. dead on.
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
by stoproyce on Mar 15, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here is Barbers contract...
5/20/2008: Signed a seven-year, $45 million contract. The deal contains $16 million guaranteed, including a $12 million signing bonus. 2009: $620,000, 2010: $3.86 million, 2011: $4.25 million, 2012: $5.75 million, 2013: $6.25 million, 2014: $7 million, 2015: Free Agent
above from rotoworld.com
12 million signing bonus prorated over the life of the contract (7yrs) means a little under 2 million per year prorated. He has only played 1 yr so far. RW1 and Owens dead money is around 15 million and if you add another 10 million for trading Barber the Boys couldn’t sign for the Pizza Hut delivery guy much less a player for the team. The Boys have to keep him this year and probably next because of the signing bonus as much as I would like to trade for a player at a position of need. Unless the uncapped season happens next year then who knows.
by DaBoys on Mar 15, 2009 10:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that issue is pretty much settled
Nobody has argued that Barber could be traded from a cap standpoint. If it was possible, I would be leading the charge. I love the guy but I think he will have a VERY short career and there are 2 guys who are younger and very productive. One of them playing on a 4th round rookie contract.
by StillHateTheGiants on Mar 15, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It not about dead money. That means nothing. It about CAP space left. Ware is due, lets hold on to some cap space.
by squidlo97 on Mar 15, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
huh?
Barber would count about 2.5 million against the cap this year. If he were traded it would cost about 10.6 million this year (all of remaining signing bonus counts). That costs an additional 8 million against the cap this year. So how can you say that that means nothing? Reducing your cap space by an additional 8 million is an issue. It is dead money and cap space because what you would be paying in dead money you can not sign someone else if you’re broke (up against the cap).
.
by DaBoys on Mar 15, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cap space is how much left we have to spend this year. Dead money is money spent on guys not here..
I guess its the same in most instances but it dead money bothers the crap out of some people like its coming out of their own pocket. Its just the price of doing business to me. You definitely try to hold it down but it will get you from time to time.
by squidlo97 on Mar 15, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
To trade someone who just received a signing bonus decreases your available cap / increases your dead money. I don’t mind “old” dead money. It is the new dead money / lost cap space that would bother me if Barber (or anyone) got traded after just signing a new contract.
by DaBoys on Mar 15, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MBIII
Is vastly under appreciated as a receiver out of the backfield. Remember that catch in the endzone? Point is that MBIII is a perfect back if used correctly; he is not the kind of back that Peterson is so for example you can’t just pound him into the line expecting the eventual break out . . . he needs to be used creatively out of the backfield as a receiver; he needs to be a closer; he needs to help pound the inside against certain defenses; but with a healthy Felix and Choice, MBIII can be used efficiently. Forget the contract momentarily. The three headed monster is exactly what is needed; it provides depth and versatility.
by Iowacowboy on Mar 15, 2009 11:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah
lets enjoy the 3 headed monster while it lasts. Worked well for the…ugh…Giants
by fretman on Mar 15, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we all agree that the 3 headed monster is nice and lets say if we let
Choice start, as somebody mentioned “sprinkle Felix” here and there and use MBIII as a closer or goal line or short yardage.
that combination is sweet, but in reality players contracts dictate playing time and it goes like this MBIII, Jones and than Choice.
So there is the dilemma, if you follow contracts we are not using them according to strength and we will end up with MBIII hurt again, because he is no starter every down type of back. Say what you want but his best production came when Julius was the starter. I think that JJ over payed MBIII (he had no choice btw) and now our offense will suffer because of it.
by dcfanz on Mar 15, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The offense suffered because...
Jerry overpaid for Marion Barber?
Did Marion Barber grab a baseball bat after he got a contract and decide to take it to Kyle Kosier and then ram Jason Garretts head against a brick wall when nobody wasn’t looking?
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 15, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
dcfanz is saying the O WILL suffer this year because we HAVE to make MB the starter. We might have the most depth and dynamic talent at the position, yet we’ll suffer? Please! The problem last year was JG wasn’t ready (or afraid) to utilize all the potential we have at rb thus overworking MB. Wont be the case this year. All these guys are gonna be workin it
by fretman on Mar 15, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant suffer in terms of suffering like last year, misusing players ie RB's
of course OL has a lot to do with it, but MB was overworked,
now if we change the way using our RB I am all for it, but I think it wont happen. and AFB is right with the notion that JG head was malfunctioning. anyway I will be surprised if we have the highest paid RB play only at goal line stands and a no name RB be a starter
by dcfanz on Mar 15, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think...
Barber’s money will dictate anything.
He doesn’t have a problem being a closing back. I never thought him either as just a goalline back.
The dude has split time his entire career, I don’t think he’ll have a problem not being a starter.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 15, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what makes you think
JG wont use the other guys more this year? They have certainly proven now they can play and I think JG will learn from his mistakes. Gues Im just a glass half full kinda guy
by fretman on Mar 15, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but I do agree with dcfanz
MB will be the starter
by fretman on Mar 15, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry but I dont buy into contracts determine PT. Production does. How much money you make on Sundays means
nothing compared to what can you do for me today.
by squidlo97 on Mar 15, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly when
did MBIII become unproductive??
by fretman on Mar 15, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually I beg to differ in turms that
more production translates to higher contracts and
less production translates to June 1st cut (if not earlier).
and if you have a player with big contract you want to get your money worth and you play him until something in that perceived equilibrium changes
by dcfanz on Mar 15, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Squid..
..Roy (Thong) Williams had a big contract but wasn’t getting that much field time. I don’t know what Bobbie Carpenter’s pay is, but I’m assuming 1st round draft pick money is more than Brady James or Burnett got. What coach would sit a more productive player because another guy has a bigger contract?
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
by Jim Vance on Mar 15, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
again thats not the point
who do you play the most, if you have three productive RB’s
by dcfanz on Mar 15, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The one...
who gives you the best chance to win.
Barber has value, he’ll get plenty of touches, maybe not enough to warrant that contract but he’ll still get the money touches.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 15, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Each one has a definitive skill. Let down, distance, situation, and play determine.
Why does it have to be figured out in March. Long ways to go, injuries happen.
by squidlo97 on Mar 15, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carpenter doesnt play because...
he stinks. This is a different situation. MB has already proven his worth and wont have to compete for playing time. In this case we start the vet and use the younger guys accordingly…and oh yeah…RW stinks too
by fretman on Mar 15, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2nd Day Draft Picks
Recently it seems our 2nd day picks have been as good or better than day one.
Crayton, Ratliff, Scandrick, MB3, Canty, Choice even Reeves and Jones saw plenty of playing time and were serviceable………..
First Day questions remaining are Carpenter, Spears……..Rogers has been mentioned ad nauseum. But it appears the Dallas Cowboys scouting department does as good and possibly better day two than day one.
Oh yeah they also found Austin, Hurd and a guy named Tony Romo all as undrafted rookie free agents. Matt Moore may well be the fish that got away.
11 picks may give them some leeway to trade a couple picks and move up for a certain player or two on day one…………but their 2nd day choices have been an important part of our success.
by Jon B. on Mar 15, 2009 12:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
O-line
Off topic but… Why can’t the Cowboys ever hit on offensive lineman? It doesn’t matter who’s been there Campo, Parcells, Phillips. They never seem to draft offensive lineman that stick.
by beautifultyrant on Mar 15, 2009 2:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Andre Gurode
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 16, 2009 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One out of five....
aint that good-lol
by texstar on Mar 16, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't say it was good...
Just that there have been some.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 16, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know....
I was just messin with ya.
by texstar on Mar 16, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
I don’t know why either. Especially since statistically it’s the easiest position to draft good players. I’d like to see how we do this year ‘cause it’s going to be a big problem with the age we’ve got at LT and the fact that this is Kosier’s last year.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
by kameleon_o on Mar 15, 2009 2:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LMAO.....Did I open up a can of worms or what ?????????
I just threw the trade scenario out there guys…I realize full well MBII can’t be traded right now at this moment due to his extraordinarily overpriced conctract, cuz Jerry the knuckle head, likes to reward players before they prove they’re worth it in most cases…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 15, 2009 2:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Switching subjects...
I just read an article that said that if Josh Freeman were available the Jets would pick him with #17.
I’m going on record right now and saying that is one of the biggest reaches I’ve ever seen if the Jets got that route.
I hope he proves me wrong, but there is nothing that I’ve seen how of Freeman that would make me think he’s a first round pick.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 15, 2009 4:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you on that....
I don’t get all the media loving on the guy but Freeman always did play well against the Horns.
by texstar on Mar 15, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha...
Thank you for reminding me.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 15, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just read that Freeman's stock is starting to fall.
He’s still the 3rd ranked QB by most scouts but he’s introduced some more doubt with his bad mechanics and a release point that’s “all over the place” as I read in one report.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
by kameleon_o on Mar 15, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think part of what has been making the media gush....
is his height-they want to compare him to Flacco-which is not a good comparison imo. I think Freeman would have been better to stay in school another year with the new coaches coming in.
by texstar on Mar 15, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just messing with you airforce.....
actually don’t tell my parents but I even own a couple of burnt orange tshirts.
by texstar on Mar 15, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh...
doesn’t bother me.
There is only Big 12 schools I absolutely can’t stand.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 15, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm watching the NFL Replay of the Eagles/Cowboys game in week 2.
It’s magical. I forgot what Felix Jones looked like. I’m so pumped for the draft, and the season to get here.
by jsams on Mar 15, 2009 6:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I forgot what TO looked like. Were there even any other receivers except Witten and TO playing that night??
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
by kameleon_o on Mar 15, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just watched the Space Shuttle Discovery take off
You wanna talk magical….you’ll never witness anything like it..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 15, 2009 6:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
always good for a good laugh numba....
you see, I don’t take you so seriously like some here do. I like your sarcastic humor.
by texstar on Mar 15, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he meant he was actually there in person
and really felt that way!
Let us know.
by Realist Larry on Mar 15, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
YES...I was there...I live within 5 miles of The NASA Space Center in Cape Canaveral....It's one of the most unbelievable sights, the power, the thrust,,during a night time launch, the whole sky lights up like it's da
I watched right outside my door like it was a mile away…If you ever get a chance to see one live, it’s well worth the trip…There were over 300,000 people from all over the world that came here to see it tonight…..There are less than 10 remaining scheduled launches remaining until they disban the program.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 15, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there you go making me look stupid.....
I thought you were being funny….way to go-make me look bad-lol
by texstar on Mar 15, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
off topic, I just read that fat Albert and Stalworth
that had driving ‘irregularities’ recently both went to Tennessee
furthermore, Lenard Little who killed a woman while driving under influence went to the same place as well as
our own (but forgotten) Dwayne Goodridge second round draft pick of Campo, who also killed a person while driving. They all played ball in Tennessee
by dcfanz on Mar 15, 2009 7:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I saw that.....
and that’s goofy. You can’t blame a school for people getting behind the wheel and drinking.
by texstar on Mar 15, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stallworth is screwed if his blood comes back over the limit of alcohol...heck...he's screwed anyways...
vehicular manslaughter is no joke…..ONE DAY after receiving a 4.5 million roster bonus…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 15, 2009 7:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I just dont get it, why the hell they dont get drivers
are personal drivers dying breed? obviously football players can easily afford them
by dcfanz on Mar 15, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what are other states laws?
here in Texas, they are trying to clamp down on bars that serve alcohol to someone that is drunk. I know that you don’t necessarily get it from a bar, but they have tried to crack down on some of these bars to keep these guys off the streets.
by texstar on Mar 15, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in Cali also it is to the discretion of the bartender not to serve alcohol to a drung person, but
it is very discretionary process and the notion is that drunk people will be trouble for the bar itself
by dcfanz on Mar 15, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I've heard of cases....
where they have gone after bars and charged them. I have no mercy for drunks that get out on the road and kill someone btw.
by texstar on Mar 15, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no mercy indeed, I always get my wife to drive or just get a cab 10-15 bucks
can save you turning your life upside down in no time
by dcfanz on Mar 15, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was it his fault though??
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
by kameleon_o on Mar 15, 2009 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Happy to be a fan:-)
Hi there, I admit that my football knowledge is lacking when compared to almost all that post. I have enjoyed being a BOYS fan since the early sixties. and would have no problem if the season was to start tomorrow and we were to go with the “very good team” we currently have. I would be expecting “us” to advance to the playoffs. I expect “us” to draft well and at this moment I just want the season to start, so that I can enjoy watching the BOYS play. I have watched the BOYS through many ups and downs which have stayed with me and this is probably why I dislike the Steelers—-never pat a kicker on the back/head after a miss. I do know one thing: after the season starts all pre-season stuff is blowing in the wind!
by rangerider on Mar 15, 2009 8:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Glad to have you aboard
Don’t worry about your football knowledge. Except for Raf and Grizz we’re all just amateurs.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
by kameleon_o on Mar 15, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
speak for yourself......I'm just kidding of course......
by texstar on Mar 15, 2009 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
by kameleon_o on Mar 15, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shaun Rogers Would Be Great
A Texas talent who has languished away with crappy teams for years. He would take up 2 blockers (easily) and allow Rat to move to end.
by GhostofGaryHogeboom on Mar 16, 2009 1:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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God 1st, Family Always & Dallas Cowboys 4 Life!!!!!
by CodeNamedG on Apr 13, 2009 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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