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Cowboys mock drafts: Are they mockable?

Draft season is here, that wonderful time of the year when hope springs eternal and everybody becomes an expert. One of the joys of draft season is mock drafts; anybody can make one and nowadays anyone can publish one. You never know, the mock draft you're reading could have been created by a monkey locked in a garage banging away on a keyboard, coming up with an updated mock before he types the complete works of Shakespeare. Or it could be Mel Kiper, which is virtually the same thing. Still, they're like crack; if crack didn't take over your life, bankrupt you and force you into a life of crime on the streets. Otherwise, they're just like crack. You can't stay away, they're too fun. Even their very name begs the question of how serious you can take them. They're a dichotomy. On one hand a mock is supposed to be an accurate representation of something else, as in a mock-up. On the other hand, mock is to imitate in a derisive or unflattering way, to make fun of. They're begging to be ridiculed by their very name.

Anyway, I love to look at them. Not because I believe them, unless of course their pick matches up to my own thoughts on who we should pick at that spot, then they are gospel! Otherwise, they're mainly fun because they focus attention on players or positions that we can sit around and endlessly talk about. Because that's what we do, especially in the offseason. We really need to get a life.

One problem this year is the Cowboys lack of a pick in the first round. That limits the number of famous mockers we can mock. They're just too lazy to go to the second round.

See the mock drafts after the jump.

Star-divide

Here some Cowboys mocks:

The National Football Post.

51.  Dallas Cowboys: Louis Delmas, FS, Western Michigan

The Cowboys need to add more playmakers to the safety position.

The Football Expert. 

51.  Dallas Cowboys - William Moore, SS/FS, Missouri
It remains to be seen which safety spot Moore fits into. The fact that some teams are undecided reflects that he might not be suited in either role at the NFL level. His stock went into the tank after a poor Senior Bowl showing. This was no surprise to me because although analysts point out "look at the tape!" every time they mention him this guy was the last line of defense for a defense that gave up loads of points. He did not stand out to me at the Alamo Bowl which was a close game against a very beatable opponent (Northwestern). If you are a top shelf NFL prospect you should be popping off the television screen in big college games. Still, they need a good safety after parting with Roy Williams and the drop in his stock might make him a little hungrier.

NFL Draft Countdown.

DALLAS COWBOYS: RASHAD JOHNSON, S, ALABAMA

A playmaking free safety with excellent intangibles and the coverage skills they need.

Walter Football. 

Dallas Cowboys: Pat White, WR/QB, West Virginia
Jerry Jones loves flashy players. He also needs a receiver across from Roy Williams and a long-term backup for Tony Romo. Pat White has improved his stock enough that he can be drafted in the second round, so I think this selection makes sense.

I was very good with Louis Delmas, and OK with William Moore and Rashad Johnson. But Pat White? In the second round, for our team? Please, make it stop.

DraftTek. 

51. Dallas - Sean Smith - CB Utah +5 Value

Football Draft Analysis. 

51) Dallas Cowboys - *Sean Smith, CB/FS, Utah
The Cowboys parted ways with CB Anthony Henry, so it might make sense for
them to get another quality CB in case Newman or Jenkins gets injured. Smith can also play Safety which is a huge plus.

A conerback/safety combo? Not a bad idea.

The Draft Zoo

51.    DAL - William Moore, S, Missouri, 6001 221, 4.43

Dallas needs a...safety.  Yeah that's it.  They've only needed one forever.  Moore could finally be the guy that knows how to stay deep.  He had a good pro day, and has seen his stock rebound some.  Dallas needs to get rid of the guys who think they are linebackers, and Moore has the ability to be a true ball hawk who can bring the big hit.  Previous pick:  Patrick Chung

Mocking The Draft.

Michael Hamlin, SS, Clemson: The Cowboys recently released Roy Williams. Why not draft someone who plays just like him?

Arrgh. If we were going to draft someone just like him, we wouldn't have released him.

NFL Draft 101.

19. Dallas Cowboys S Patrick Chung  Oregon 

With the top 7 wide receivers off of the board the Cowboys look to the hard hitting Chung to fill Roy Williams' vacancy at safety.

NFL Draft Dog.

CB, Mike Mickens, Cincinnati

A very talented corner with nice size  (6' 0" 185 lbs), long arms and speed. Suffered a late season knee injury and didn't run at the combine. The Boys are thin at corner.

This is a new name for me.

Draftniks and draft gurus, have at it.

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Haha

Yeah I saw that Pat White one earlier too.

Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.

by AirforceBat on Mar 16, 2009 1:18 PM CDT reply actions  

unless

the safety picked is projected as a sure thing, I’d prefer the Cowboys go with a Guard or Center or mix thereof.

by Joey2zs on Mar 16, 2009 1:26 PM CDT reply actions  

As I've said before

Sean Smith would be the perfect pick for the Cowboys. I don’t think he’ll drop to us though. Wouldn’t mind seeing us trade up for him.

by hiafex on Mar 16, 2009 1:32 PM CDT reply actions  

I'd love Delmas, but is he even a possibility.

Scouts Inc. has him ranked at 28. Is it possible he falls to 51 — probably not.

I’m trying not to fall in love with any prospects this year. I went through it last year with DRC. I’d rather just enjoy the draft, and be happy with the selections. After last year’s draft, I’m on board with the Jerry Jones regime. I hated the draft class at the time, but how can you argue with Felix, Mike, Tellus, Choice and Scandrick?

by Jordan Sams on Mar 16, 2009 1:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Delmas will probably be the first safety drafted

and more than likely will be long gone by #51, however, I always remember thinking the same thing about Steven Jackson in the 2004 draft.

Thats the great thing about the draft, anything is possible and usually is.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Mar 16, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

True enough...

You can even look back to Mendenhall of last year really.

He was a top ten pick in most circles.

Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.

by AirforceBat on Mar 16, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

exactly

you just never know how a draft will play out and thats what makes it so fun…the unpredictable factor.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Mar 16, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jackson didn't fall much more than he should have ?

Delmas more than likely will be the first Safety selected, and it will be before #51, which is one reason why i don’t tout him as much….I’d like LB’s Barwin and Sintim as well, but I’m not getting too excited knowing both will probably be gone within the first 40 picks..

by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 16, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

he fell into our laps

which I didn’t think was likely heading into that draft.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Mar 16, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

I even understood the Ellis>Moss thing a bit more.

Moss had some major character issues.

Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.

by AirforceBat on Mar 16, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

I even understood the Ellis>Moss thing a bit more.

Moss had some major character issues.

Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.

by AirforceBat on Mar 16, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I accidently double posted...

Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.

by AirforceBat on Mar 16, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

CBs Rise, Safeties fall

Who would have thought in their wildest dreams that Jenkins would fall?

Res firma mitescere nescit

by Fighter15 on Mar 16, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

RBs are hard to predict in this way too

last years draft was pretty special though, I mean REALLY special.
from that 1st round-
2 QBs take teams to the playoffs; every RB is a stud; only a few LBs seem likely to be let downs

by AustonianAggie on Mar 16, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Draft the strength

QB, RB, and DB was really deep last year. The OL was strong at the top. LB was a down year (diametrically opposed to this year).

Especially if the strength of the draft matches your needs, you go with the deep positions.

This year seems awfully good at OT, OG, C, LB, and DT. DBs look really weak. mmmm

Res firma mitescere nescit

by Fighter15 on Mar 16, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope you're right, we could use some young OL talent

Maybe a deep draft can overcome the jinx that is the Cowboys drafting of offensive linemen

by StillHateTheGiants on Mar 16, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

No way

Sean Smith will be on the board at 51. I think Delmas will be selected before Moore or Johnson. I would go Moore over Johnson. I actually like CB Mike Mickens a lot but wouldn’t take him at 51. Wonder if he last until the 3rd round? No way Dallas would select Pat White that early. I think Chung may be on the board when Dallas picks in round 3 – same goes for Hamlin. If Dallas stays at 51 then (in my opinion) it’s either S or OL. Duke Robinson or Moore!

by tyler2 on Mar 16, 2009 2:12 PM CDT reply actions  

It's always possible...

You really never know with safeties.

Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.

by AirforceBat on Mar 16, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think Sean Smith makes more sense than any player out there, if available....He's got the frame of Henry,

but much faster, can play CB, FS, two positions in need of depth…also a special teams contributor….If there at #51, I’d take him over all secondary players available

by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 16, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

I doubt that he will be there though..

by nicholas.rodriguez on Mar 16, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

+2

He’s the best fit out of all of them. I haven’t touted him as much because I just thought there was no way he’d be available.

There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.

by kameleon_o on Mar 16, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

ha, here is the embeded problem,

everybody assumes we draft on need and then assumes the biggest need is S or CB, but we did address those needs already. I’ll be happy if we go S or CB, but because they are the best player available.

by dcfanz on Mar 16, 2009 2:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Out of nowhere...

I really think it sucks that Matt Jones is such an idiot.

That guy had the physical ability to become a freakish wideout in the NFL and wasted it all away.

He was starting to turn it around after the cocaine incident too, he was on pace for 1000 yards.

Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.

by AirforceBat on Mar 16, 2009 2:25 PM CDT reply actions  

Unfortunately, I think

he needs to go to a drug treatment center and get himself straightened out.

by texstar on Mar 16, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

once you start sliding down the slope, velocity just picks up

its a shame, but he has only himself to blame. He was a first rounder right?

by dcfanz on Mar 16, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep...

Oh it’s definitly his fault, without a doubt.

If he had half the heart Hines Ward has, I think that he would be one of the next generation stars.

Instead he’s just another person in a long line of busts.

Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.

by AirforceBat on Mar 16, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Off subject, btw, did he play with

Felix and McFadden at Arkansas or was he before them?

by texstar on Mar 16, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Before...

Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.

by AirforceBat on Mar 16, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

He won't be playing in September...

He was already suspended for the cocaine and the alchohol broke his parol.

If he doesn’t get suspended at least 4 games then I think that there is something wrong.

He isn’t done in the NFL, but he’s not going to get a huge contract from anyone.

He’s not going to be poor, but I don’t think the words “wasted talent” are too bad.

For the first three years he was touted as being lazy and then it takes an incident cutting cocaine up in a pickup truck to get him motivated.

THEN when he gets going, he breaks a stipulation in his parole and is cut. So as of right now, yeah I’d say he wasted a golden opportunity.

Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.

by AirforceBat on Mar 16, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

There’s a very short list of players who have turned their careers around and really amounted to much after that kind of thing happens. Who did that other than Chris Carter?

by StillHateTheGiants on Mar 16, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sean Smith's name is popping up more and more

I like the kid, but he reminds me of Watkins a bit.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Mar 16, 2009 2:49 PM CDT reply actions  

this is getting interesting.....

remember a few weeks ago that Peppers was saying that “he wanted to play in a 3-4”?

by texstar on Mar 16, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

At least...

.we won’t have to play him next year…even thought Flo seems to play better against good competition Peppers when motivated is like Ware…he can’t be stopped

by nicholas.rodriguez on Mar 16, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

And they've got plenty of 2nd rounders

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by kameleon_o on Mar 16, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Big time

There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.

by kameleon_o on Mar 16, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

wow!

panthers probably wont get offered much more than that too… wow who is running the show at pats come they seem to make all the right moves haha

What the French?! Toast!

by thebigham on Mar 16, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

That Cassell move...

was a stroke of genius.

They freed up alot of cash and so now they have the resources to get a guy.

Well done.

Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.

by AirforceBat on Mar 16, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Possibly...

The market for a starting QB is just alot higher then a DE with potential.

Teams might not have been intrigued with enough to part draft picks.

Dallas would have looked good if it had worked, but looked equally as stupid if it didn’t AND be in major cap hell.

Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.

by AirforceBat on Mar 16, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

no....the team can withdraw the franchise tag.....

there were quite a few teams that would have taken a chance on Canty over a prospect given his body of work to assess…..There were more than a few teams interested in him with the additional of several 3-4 teams …

by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 16, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

....

If Dallas had franchised Canty they would have had to pay him that if they didn’t trade him.

Either to a long term contract or the franchise tag.

Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.

by AirforceBat on Mar 16, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bro...

They probably didn’t have an intention on that, but Cassel had signed the tender.

If they hadn’t have traded him, they would have HAD to pay him.

It’s not like they could have been like “hey bro remember that franchise thing. GOTCHA MOFO!”

And then yanked it out from under him.

Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.

by AirforceBat on Mar 16, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah if the player doesn't sign the tender...

Then it’s considered a holdout though.

Either Dallas would have had to sign him to a contract, have him sign the franchise tender, or traded him.

If they didn’t have a buyer and he didn’t sign the contract, it would be considered a holdout.

And you can trade someone until they signed the contract because you can’t trade a player not under contract.

I’m 110% sure on this.

Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.

by AirforceBat on Mar 16, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

But if he had signed the contract then they'd be stuck

I probably would have still tried it but I remember when the Raiders tried this with Charles Woodson and then the guy actually signed it!! They were screwed because they didn’t even have the money under the cap to pay the franchise tag. He really got them good.

There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.

by kameleon_o on Mar 16, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

The thing is...

Once you tender the guy as your franchise player, you can’t trade him until he’s signed it anyways.

Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.

by AirforceBat on Mar 16, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not true, exactly

Franchising (or tendering RFA) basically says that you have a contract in place for a specific amount. That amount is charged against your cap immediately (whether or not it’s signed).

If you trade the player, the contract goes with the player (though not the tag). It is then up to the receiving team to either renegotiate or honor the contract, which is stupid. That’s why most teams require that the contract be renegotiated prior to the trade so that the don’t have to take that hit.

Res firma mitescere nescit

by Fighter15 on Mar 16, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

But one way or another it counts against your cap.

Once you tender someone, your stuck with the franchise contract unless you trade him or work out a long term contract.

Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.

by AirforceBat on Mar 17, 2009 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

They’ll be good.

They still have corner problems though.

There isn’t a corner on that team that is really scary.

If you have a good enough pass rush though, I guess it doesn’t matter.

Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.

by AirforceBat on Mar 16, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

2007....

Was also something crazy.

They’ll be good maybe even great, but I don’t think they can make a run at being undefeated again.

The Patriots were extremely lucky with injuries that year.

Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.

by AirforceBat on Mar 16, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1.......

I’d be willing to say that they don’t have a weak spot on their roster unless maybe OLine? I think it’s pretty good as well though. This just makes me sick how they continually know how to beat the NFL system and keep re-loading year after year.

by texstar on Mar 16, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

we've seen how allstar teams fare here but they may have the structure to make it work. BTW

wtf is jerry waiting for on Ware,seriously.

Don't believe everything you think.

Your causes are cute!!!

by stoproyce on Mar 16, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ware needs to wait till right before camp, a full year needs to pass by before he can restructure other contracts...

just one thought….i can see MBIII, Flo, Newman, Hamlin, Romo, Davis, etc all possible canidates to restructure…

by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 16, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

me too, how come we cant do the same, if they make a run again

can we also go back to 13-3, I’ll take our chances in the playoffs LOL

by dcfanz on Mar 16, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah,anybody else hear Bruschi last week on NFL Network?

He was talking about how they had a locker-room full of guys that bought into the team concept and just wanna win. They have great leadership in their locker-room. When they lose someone, they still have their core together.

by texstar on Mar 16, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

He probably won't be saying that when the Patriots draft a young ILB to replace him

and tell him to hit the road ‘cause he’s only averaged 1.375 sacks the last 4 years and only had 1 FF in that whole time. Then he’ll realize why the Patriots are REALLY so good. It’s because they stockpile draft picks so they can get rid of old guys like Bruschi when they stop being impact players.

There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.

by kameleon_o on Mar 16, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

We most certainly...

can get back to 13-3…even with our “holes” we still have a more talented team than any other team in the NFC East IMO…Giants are real close but if they can’t get to the Qb their secondary doesn’t scare me at all…their WRs are nothing special..Eli is still just average to me…Overall if we can get the locker room issue fixed, I think Brooking and Igor will do wonders with that being that they are Wade’s guys, than we could get back there.

by nicholas.rodriguez on Mar 16, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

O-line may be a little iffy but

I’d say their weakness is still LB. If they got Peppers that would alleviate it somewhat but he’s going to have to learn a new position and they would still need LB help. Of course, they’ve got the picks to fix all that too.

There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.

by kameleon_o on Mar 16, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

But one is old and the other had a horrible year.

Quality but neither one of them just scare the crap out of you.

Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.

by AirforceBat on Mar 16, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

But see one area that they are smart in....

they just sign these guys like Bodden and Springs for 1 year deals. That way if it doesn’t work out -NBD. If it does, then they either re-sign or go somewhere else for the big bucks. Pretty smart if you ask me.

by texstar on Mar 16, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

No doubt...

But they had alot of money to toss around this year.

I’ll never doubt the intelligence of the Patriots.

Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.

by AirforceBat on Mar 16, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just checked the story out on NFL.com....

they are projecting the Pats. to go for a linebacker-maybe Maaluga (hope I spelled it correctly).

by texstar on Mar 16, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nothing but DBs and some moron at Walter's

OK, some of these may have been completed before we signed Sensabaugh.

But let’s give ‘em a pass. Safety is a need pick. It’s very hard to come up with another long-term need.

But as we’ve discussed ad nauseum, there are several long-term needs. Secondly, these pundits never consider two basic tenets of drafting by most teams…the “Planet Theory” and BPA limitations of scheme.

The first should be well known to all here. There are only so many players the size of NFL linemen on the planet. Which flows into the second tenet of scheme. Being a 3-4 puts a HUGE emphasis (pun kinda intended) on the D-line.

These tenets also explain why these mediots are always so wrong when it comes to the draft.

As for the mocks, these guys need to put NT, OL (especially guard), and DE far ahead of DB, though it would come in a close third on my list, far ahead of WR.

Res firma mitescere nescit

by Fighter15 on Mar 16, 2009 3:21 PM CDT reply actions  

I think the biggest question will be between...

A safety and an offensive lineman.

I think if Duke Robinson falls, that you almost have to get him.

I think he’s more of a for sure guard then any of those guys at safeties are for sure.

Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.

by AirforceBat on Mar 16, 2009 3:21 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't see why many ppl think we need G so bad...

I’m sure Kosier will be back and healthy, we still got Davis, and Holland will be back as well backing them both up. Now we need a 4th Guard but thats it….the Oline we need is Center, Gurode can also play guard, and Tackle… even if we draft bpa we don’t want to end up with 6 guards and 8 qbs…

by nicholas.rodriguez on Mar 16, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah but...

Kosier won’t last forever, and he’s already been injured some.

He’s never been a dominant guard.

You don’t want to be in a position where you are having to rebuild everything at once.

Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.

by AirforceBat on Mar 16, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's the problem.

Since we’ve been so dang bad at drafting O-linemen, we’ve got nothing behind Kosier. When he leaves then we either better have a young guy waiting in the wings, or we’re going to have to go out and plop down at least a $8 to $10 mill signing bonus down on a FA. That’s what we’ve been doing but it’s unsustainable IMO. Have to start getting some young guys in there. A couple of blue chippers. Duke Robinson or Kraig Urbik later on would be perfect.

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by kameleon_o on Mar 16, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Guard has best value in the 2nd

Everyone is saying guard because at 51, we have a chance to get one of the 2 or 3 best prospects.

If we were talking about 20, then OT would be the debate.

At 51, you can have the 8th or 9th best OT or the 1st Guard. Same for Center, though I think we’ll have to move up a spot or two to get Mack or Unger. The dropoff to Wood, et al is pretty steep. Same for Guard after the top 2 or 3.

Res firma mitescere nescit

by Fighter15 on Mar 16, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kosier's contract is up after this season...THAT"S WHY

Then you go into next year with Holland and some rookie fighting it out….Time to groom is NOW

by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 16, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure but I think this is Kosier's last year.

I like the guy and all but he’s a “try hard” player. I don’t see him getting resigned and the cupboard is pretty bare behind him.

There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.

by kameleon_o on Mar 16, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

You think they've got the safeties rated higher Raf??

If it came down to Duke Robinson or Louis Delmus who do you take??

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by kameleon_o on Mar 16, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

There are lots of OTs rated higher than any S

but they’re 1st rounders and Dallas won’t get withing sniffing distance of them.

by Rafael Vela on Mar 16, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

would Larry Allen of rated above these SSs?

he was a 2nd rounder right? did he have the assets to be rated over 2nd round safeties?

by AustonianAggie on Mar 17, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

I respectfully disagree

Sure, there are probably 5 tackles rated ahead of any Safety or Guard, for that matter.

But in this draft class, I’d be surprised if any of the safeties was ranked ahead of Robinson.

Delmas, et al, seem to be a real weak class.

That said, I think Bruton, Hamlin, or Taylor have just as much talent and can be had in the 4th. Heck, the way Moore is dropping, he could be available there as well.

Res firma mitescere nescit

by Fighter15 on Mar 16, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

The difference between the top Safeties and the second tier doesn’t seem to be that much. Whereas the difference between the top OG/ OC’s and the second tier is very noticeable.

At #51 (or wherever the Cowboys end up in the 2nd round) I think they’ll be most likely to take interior OL or DL. A LB or DB would be a wildcard depending on what player falls within reach.

Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft

by APerfectStar on Mar 16, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I really have No Idea of which way they will go!

I believe they will try to trade up to the last of the 1st or top of the second round; I just don’t see that many open roster spots so why not make a concerted effort to get Quality not Quantity this year, we can always use the UDFA market to throw spaghetti against the wall and see if any of it sticks; or, they may just sit tight and draft the leftovers who knows!

by bad knees on Mar 16, 2009 3:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Lol...

i think the one spot that they didn’t shore up is NT….that is the one place where we didn’t go out and get a guy to play…Safety…check…ILB…check…..Qb….check….G….we got 3 quality….T….we have 4…….NT….hmm…just one.

by nicholas.rodriguez on Mar 16, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

REMEMBER WHEN THE DB BOARD GOT LEAKED?

I cant remember if it was accurate to who was available at the time we picked up Jenkins or not

'he nails an open three from the corner....just like you and me, this one was made by penetration' - Truthaboutit - Round 1 Game 5 Recap

by KD Drummond on Mar 16, 2009 3:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Yup...

I think I remember seeing Jenkins as their second rated CB so when he fell…we got him…besides for DRC I wanted him the most

by nicholas.rodriguez on Mar 16, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Smith

I would mess my britches if we were able to get Steve Smith. He’s going to be a very good FS. However, I don’t think he lasts that long.

Delmas probably won’t be there either.

The guy that seems reasonable to be there that i like is Johnson. He’s been an all-SEC safety to 2 years. That says a lot to me. I think he would fit in nicely next to Hamlin. By all accounts, Johnson has a high football IQ and would make a good QB back there.

by Macarthur22000 on Mar 16, 2009 4:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Would you rather have Hamlin at SS Raf??

Then draft a FS?? A cover guy??

There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.

by kameleon_o on Mar 16, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because he knows...

Just like he knows that Felix Jones is going to be up there with Tony Dorsett as an all time Dallas Cowboy.

Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.

by AirforceBat on Mar 16, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

<------

Just a joking btw.

Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.

by AirforceBat on Mar 16, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, gotcha.

There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.

by kameleon_o on Mar 16, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Folly

The National Football Post has Clint Sintim still around at…63?

Several have Jarron Gilbert there at or around 64…Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

Walter Football is one of my faves in terms of info and database of mocks, but never even close on their own mocks.

BTW, Mickens was a good corner on a team that performed better than it’s talent level should have allowed. I read a Sporting News article about how Cincy had the best winning % vs. # of highly touted high school prospects on their roster. Having someone from a program like that would be fine with me.

Still, you hit on a topic near and dear to my heart. The NFL Draft is unlike anything else in pro sports. This is the REAL March Madness!

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Mar 16, 2009 4:04 PM CDT reply actions  

The don't even follow their own board

Their team needs have:
1. Two Safeties (before Sensabaugh) and no faith in Hamlin
2. DE – If Canty replaced or Ratliff moved, then NT
3. OT – To replace the declining Flo
4. G – Kosier’s absence was obvious
5. ILB – minimized by Brookings
6. NT – Moved to #2 with offseason moves
7. WR

Not bad…then they go picking White, 2 safeties and a scrub OT in Rounds 2-4. That with the host of OL, LB, DE, and DT prospects all still available. What a bunch of mediots.

Res firma mitescere nescit

by Fighter15 on Mar 16, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

The safety position

was something that I thought would be addressed with pick 97. After getting Sensabaugh, I figured they would go oline at 51 and nt at 69 or vise versa.

by oldboysfan on Mar 16, 2009 4:14 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm starting to think we will grab

Ron brace…..personally I want Chung but we can move up w/ our 3rd to grab him

by nicholas.rodriguez on Mar 16, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha...

What’s that from, that sounds very familiar?

Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.

by AirforceBat on Mar 16, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Simpsons

I remembered Mr. Burns saying it when Grizz posted that and found the whole line at the Wikipedia link Grizz gave out.

There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.

by kameleon_o on Mar 16, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

H2G2

Please tell me Grizz is not so young that he was going off the Simpsons.

First time I heard about it was in Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy. Later in Statistics class.

It’s also a premise in my diatribes against using statistics to prove your point (even a thousand monkeys…a blind squirrel…etc).

Res firma mitescere nescit

by Fighter15 on Mar 16, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well...

You really don’t have to be that young to go off the simpsons.

The show has been on for twenty years.

Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.

by AirforceBat on Mar 16, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's right. They're fun for all ages. LOL

There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.

by kameleon_o on Mar 16, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Have you read H2G2?

It is the seminal work lampooning all things “known”. Imagine Men in Black in literary form.

Just hoping Grizz was referencing “true” literature and not sophomoric cartoons, though I think Bart was based in part on my childhood.

Just remember, the answer to life is 42.

Res firma mitescere nescit

by Fighter15 on Mar 16, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I believe

I first heard of the ‘monkey typing’ theory in a ‘probability and statistics’ math class in high school.

by Dave Halprin on Mar 17, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

the infinite monkey problem is pretty old

but calling out the monkeys for being stupid when they were purportedly random is pretty funny. BTW, what are the odds any one monkey actually duplicates a Shakespeare play? Something like the number of letters and spaces in the work times the number of characters in the language, factorialed right?

by AustonianAggie on Mar 17, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

THEY MAKE ME SICK

Patriots just traded for J Peppers… the 2nd round pick they got from KC for Matt Cassel

Matt Cassel for Julius Peppers… ugh

'he nails an open three from the corner....just like you and me, this one was made by penetration' - Truthaboutit - Round 1 Game 5 Recap

by KD Drummond on Mar 16, 2009 7:11 PM CDT reply actions  

sorry- it's a prospective trade

'he nails an open three from the corner....just like you and me, this one was made by penetration' - Truthaboutit - Round 1 Game 5 Recap

by KD Drummond on Mar 16, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

somebody please explain that to me

how can NE constantly have good picks, reloads every year and have the salary cap to do it, eventhough they have to pay huge money to Brady, Moss, Welker, Maroney, and on top of it will have enough for Peppers too, they have 3 second round picks, plus will get a third rounder for Samuel. Even last year when they got decked their first rounder by the commish for spy gate, they still got top 15 pick I think from SF.
JJ ought to pry away whoever makes those decisions and pay him big time to get him in Big D

by dcfanz on Mar 16, 2009 8:36 PM CDT reply actions  

They draft well and let 'em leave

Seldom does a superstar get a monster contract on re-upping with them.

The veteran salaries are usually bargain basement and if they want more, they can leave as well.

That’s why Ellis, T.O., etc should leave.

Res firma mitescere nescit

by Fighter15 on Mar 16, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

and yet we do the exact opposite

QB-you got to pay him
WR-one expensive supposedly #1
TE-re upped
RB-re upped and additional first rounder
OL-all of them fat contracts
DB-one CB re upped, another first rounder, S re upped
LB- one re upped, Ware got to re-sign him, Spencer is first rounder and Carp onother first rounder who is not even playing
DL-little better monewise

by dcfanz on Mar 16, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Look at our drafts and Franchise tag amounts

QB, DE/3-4LB, CB, WR, and OL are enormous amounts.

We have signed everyone of those positions to top 5 contracts recently. Soon, Ware will join Romo, T.O. (he’s still counting) & Roy Williams, T-New, Davis, Gurode, and Flo as among the highest paid at their positions.

Most (especially the oline) came as expensive FAs, rather than getting a few years at cheap rates when you draft well.

Res firma mitescere nescit

by Fighter15 on Mar 16, 2009 9:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Only Bigg was an expensive FA addition to the O-line

Kosier was relatively cheap, Colombo was cheap, Flo and Gurode were draft picks.

Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft

by APerfectStar on Mar 16, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

The team had 5 of the 20 highest paid players in the league last year.

However, letting Henry, TO and Williams go is heading in the right direction.

If Jenkins and Scandrick work out the team will save big time for the next 3 years at an expensive position.

by T. on Mar 16, 2009 10:16 PM CDT reply actions  

If all it takes is a 2nd round pick why are we not in on

this Peppers deal. I know hes looking for big money but how exactly is New England going to afford him then?

"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker

by houseofprime on Mar 16, 2009 11:05 PM CDT reply actions  

NE's is at the top of Rd. 2, D's isn't

2) NE has way more cap space.

3) NE doesn’t have Ware to sign.

4) Dallas has Spencer and Ellis opposite Ware

by T. on Mar 16, 2009 11:10 PM CDT reply actions  

NE doesn't have anyone as good as Ware

they hope Peppers will play at that level if they get him

by AustonianAggie on Mar 17, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just to respond to Grizz...

I HATE mock drafts. No offense to it’s fans/participants, but I can’t look at em. They either get my hopes up or piss me off. Sure, I’ll watch the combine like a crack head, but I can’t get into these mocks. Especially when we all KNOW that JJ is gonna do some wheelin’ and dealin’ all day…

by AikmanNailedMySis on Mar 17, 2009 9:02 AM CDT reply actions  

+1

i love imagining who we will draft but i hate cowboy mock drafts because he will never stay put. One reason i love watching the draft you just never know when the team icon will flip around and be like wow now dallas is on the clock!

What the French?! Toast!

by thebigham on Mar 17, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly! And don't get me wrong...

Me and my boys have a draft day tradition to watch it and get bombed. But I certainly love watching all the trades and bouncing around that goes on. We’ve made quite a few drinking games out of it too. For example, pick the funniest name (obviously a subjective task, but fun when your drunk. One year was DeBrickashaw Ferguson, last year was Limas Sweed) and drink 5 every time they’re mentioned. Kill your drink when they’re drafted. Also, wagering on who teams pick is a great way to get drunk quick…

by AikmanNailedMySis on Mar 17, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

That draftzoo site just did an interview with UNLV running back Frank Summers. Real high character guy, who ran a 4.58 at 240 pounds. I like him as a late round pick for somone. The interview is at http://draftzoo.com/2009/03/18/frank-summers-interview/ if anyone wants to check it out.

by finnbar on Mar 19, 2009 2:34 PM CDT reply actions  

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