Don't Chase Shiny Things, Episode 52: Why the Romo/Cutler Meme Must Die
by Rafael Vela on Mar 17, 2009 12:57 PM CDT
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PrintSome dumb memes won't die. Now, everywhere it seems, we see Dallas shoved into the Jay Cutler discussion, with Tony Romo proposed as trade bait for the unhappy Bronco. Proof positive that fantasy football really does distort people's eyes.
Setting aside the fact that trading Romo's salary would be a cap killer, let's look at their sample sizes:
- Romo -- 39 career starts;
- Cutler -- 37 career starts;
These guys became starting QBs at roughly the same time. Cutler started earlier in his NFL career, but he never had to change systems. Mike Shanahan, the desired replacement of so many here, nutured young Jay from day one. Romo has made the shift, however slight, from the Todd Haley passing playbook to Jason Garrett's.
That said, they've been QBs for the same amount of time. And for all the talk of development, we should be able to put their developmental curves side-by-side, to see how they're doing. To my eyes, one stat says "forget it" better than any other -- bad decision percentage.
Scientific Football tracks bad decisions by QBs, which KC Joyner defines as,
"something [the QB] does with the football that leads to, or nearly leads to, a turnover. The most common bad decisions are forcing passes into coverage or staring at a receiver."
What's the biggest complaint among the Romo rippers? That he forced too many passes to T.O. That he didn't protect the football. That he threw dumb passes early in passing sequenes, especially on first down.
Okay, so why then would anybody contemplate trading him for a guy who's even worse at this? Here's Cutler's entry in SF '08:
Jay Cutler has been an NFL quarterback for two seasons now. In that time he has shown one overriding characteristic -- forcing passes into coverage. Cutler had a bad decision rate of 5.8% in 2006 and 5.0% in 2007... Those rates are incredibly high (Cutler ranked dead last in bad decision percentage in 2007) and they show he's much more of a gunslinger than Jake Plummer ever was.
Romo's BD percentages, by comparison, were 1.9% in '06 and 4.0% in '07. He got a lot sloppier with the ball in '07 but his '08 numbers, as much as they were bashed, improved just slightly over '07.
I don't have the full '08 numbers, but I spoke to Joyner about Cutler mid-season and was told that after a strong September, he was back to his bad decision tricks. And for the apologists who want to talk about his poor running game, give it up.
Culter has had Shanahan holding his hand every step of the way. (Raise your hands if you're still clinging to the hope that Mike will be Dallas' HC next year. Come on, don't be shy.) Cutler may not have had the best running backs behind him, but he had the best pass-protecting line in football last year, something Romo didn't enjoy. Cutler also had Brandon Marshall, Eddie Royal, Brandon Stokely and Tony Sheffler to catch his passes, so he had options. Yet he's still the most mistake-prone QB in the NFL.
Stop the myopia. You may hate Romo's gunslinging ways, but trading him for the biggest gunslinger of them all won't solve any problems. It's simply creating change for its own sake and hoping for something better. Hope, as the military folks are fond of saying, is not a plan.
There are plenty of real problems for the Cowboys to attend to and for us to obsess about. Focus on some of those, please.
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Raf you bring in a beacon of reason to these silly season seas that we can chose to
navigate through. I know the talk is done more out of trying to stir up attention for the msm members. This very morning Meathead and Munchkin in the morning were talking about the idea of a trade, just rediculous, especially when munchkin tried to frame it as plausible by saying that JJ never met a deal he wouldn’t take, jee talk about thought provoking stuff.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
Excellent writeup, Raf.
Let’s leave conspiracy theories to the JFK assassination.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
......
Cutler wouldn’t last a season with the criticism from the Dallas media and fans, and personally I don’t understand why this is even an issue. I hate how every free agent and, or problem child in the NFL is linked to Dallas.
Well at least somebody might finally strangle JJT.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Mar 17, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Good thing it wasnt Dale Hansen that said it
He singlehandedly got TO cut. He could have had this trade done by now and we would have thrown in out second rounder with it
Red nose Dale *wishes* he had the power to get somebody run out of town
that guy is lucky anybody pays any attention to him these days.
+1 + infinity
I am so tired of every single free agent or possible trade bait guy deserves his own fanpost. It is a little ridiculous. I started a crusade against it last year and was strongly rebuffed. (and not the good kind of rebuffing)
I just had to keep myself from clicking on them.
SI is reporting that Julius Peppers has Dallas on his wish list
It would be refreshing if a Free Agent and/or Problem Child said HELL NO when asked about Dallas
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
I would be curious to know Romo's BD% for December.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
good question
Looking at Romo’s QB rating for the 08 season. He seems to perfer home day games, when it is warm and not much wind.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6624/splits;_ylt=AjTUcKSTAvbsW2tD2fDyZ1n.uLYF
Sunshine Superman
I think that’s the nickname, um, the non-offensive one, that he has been given.
by Baked Potato Soup on Mar 18, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Right
Remember during the Parcells years, how all the MSM guys would preface speculation about the Jerry-Bill relationship with, “and I know Bill Parcells.”
Like Parcells had 50 reporters outside of Valley Ranch on his speed dial.
Raf > msm
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
very well said Raf
and I’ll go back once again to the quote by JJT which says it all.
“only a fool would trade Tony Romo for Cutler” and thats the truth.
In Romo we Trust
please
don’t lump me with JJT. I’m gonna break out in hives.
No,
he has a stronger arm. That’s about it.
The crazy part of this whole discussion is these are two good QBs, and its pushing people to rip on their guy and to overlook the other one’s warts. I actually like Cutler, but there’s no sense in shaking things up to get him.
He can do more reps at 225 then Romo
I think the number was 23. More then some offensive linemen that year. That being said, Romo can make all the throws. I rarely saw him miss short last year when his thumb was healthy.
haha, point well taken,
but i’ll worry about that when coin tosses are replaced by bench press contests…
by AikmanNailedMySis on Mar 17, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I most certaionly was a joke.
So along with players with checkered pasts and questionable work ethic, the next group Terry will want banned from the team and the fan base is those with a hint of a sense of humor.
Dont you think you are taking your Romomancrush to a whole new level?
I know
You missed the entire point. I was mocking the fact that for some reason, Cutler’s bench press was a big deal to people when he was drafted and that regardless of arm strength Romo can make all of the throws. He doesnt leave one wanting for anything from a talent perspective.
You're darn right hes got a stronger arm.
He can throw a strawberry through a battleship!
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Mar 17, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Who can't??
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
He's younger
Cutler also comes across as a big fat diabetic cry baby
Dude...
Please do not bring Diabetes into this…I am a Juvenile Diabetic..have been for the past 15 yrs…let me tell you its not even remotely FUNNY….its a constant struggle to keep the disorder under control and for a guy to manage that and be as fit as Cutler is in the NFL..speaks volumes for the guy’s courage…if you want to compare romo and him, please do it on talent and football skills.
I'm sorry, didn't mean to offend
Well not offend too much, the point is Cutler would/does have to manage his disorder during games and practices. Romo doesn’t. The QB’s abillity to remain at his peak is part of the total package.
PS Cutler is a big fat crybaby.
I like them both too.
And what’s cool is that I had Cutler in my fantasy league in ’08…
AND
…Romo in my fantasy league in ’07.
Both times I made the playoffs.
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
are you saying diabetics are fat and crybabies?
You and I need to have a talk…
Dont you talk for me!
I’m saying for all Cutler ‘s upside, he comes with baggage, and I don’t want a big fat crybaby for a QB. Think back to last big fat crybaby QB – Ryan Leaf. Not saying it will happen, but it looks like Cutler is headed for a meltdown.
I'll cut you real bad
Sometimes I have trouble getting my point out without making jokes.
I agree
this is silly talk. Yes, both QB’s are gunslingers but I think good OL play will limit Romo’s bad decisions. Remember, he was under constant pressure for most of this last year. If you want to make this a Romo friendly team then the need to address the OL play should be #1 on the list.
You wouldn't have to ask...
…me twice about taking Cutler for Romo. Cutler has a bigger arm and far more upside. What we’ve got out of Romo thus far is his ceiling. Cutler has much more room to grow.
I'm used to all of the....
…apologists from BSR. You can count on every offseason for Raf to come to the defense of pretty much any Cowboy player that recieves criticism in the offseason. I love his writing regardless.
So the years of
Quincy Carter and such have not taught you to appreciate Romo? So along with Cutler, who else would you like us to get? Peyton Manning? Tom Brady? Resurect Aikman?
Let me guess, Roger Dodger took too many chances too.
What's your point?
Cutler is available the other guys aren’t. Look if you like Romo that is your opinion and you are welcome to it. I don’t like Romo and could care less how he looks compared to Quincy Carter. Is Romo good? Yes. Just because I like Cutler better doesn’t mean I"m bashing Romo.
you don't like Romo???
holy hell I would have never guessed. Must really suck being a Cowboys fan for you.
In Romo we Trust
Cutler certainly doesn't have more upside, thats nonsense
and his arm isn’t that much stronger, as if that really means anything. How strong was Montana’s arm?
In Romo we Trust
Do actually....
…watch the football games or do you get all of your information here?
Why not more upside?
you always point to Romo’s “youth” as a reason to expect more upside, Cutler is younger and greener.
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Mar 17, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I think upside is in the eye of the beholder.
Upside is strictly a prediction of what you think someone can achieve. It’s an opinion not based on fact but intangibles IMO. Personally, what I saw from Cutler last year is about what I expect to see from him this year. I don’t see that team as getting better overall and have no idea if they’re new head coach will even be able to duplicate the offensive success that Shanahan had.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
Because Cutler is a little crybaby!
The whole Cassel situation should have lit a fire under his butt. Instead he took it as a personal insult. Being the face of the franchise should be earned, not given to you. When he heard about this he should have thought about what he could do to improve, and earn the spot as a franchise quarterback. Would you really want some whiney kid on your team? I think this shows a great amount about Cutler and his poor attitude.
I would've agreed with you before this offseason
but compare the way Romo and Cutler conduct themselves. Last thing we need on this team is a guy like Cutler. Seriously, he has not handled himself well at any step in this whole josh mcdaniels takeover process.
In terms of play at the qb spot, cutler is younger and does have more potential. If the trade were offered, i think any of us would be seriously ignorant to not consider it. That being said, we know what we have in Romo, and right now cutler’s negatives FAR outweigh Romo’s
Again...
….everytime TO has been out and Romo has been in he’s layed eggs. I’m trying to remember one good game he’s had with TO out and I’m drawing blanks. I remember when everyone thought Culpepper was going to tear it up after Moss left.
So he didn't miss any games in '07?
I swear he had a high ankle sprain. You’re smart.
Check it our for youself
Smart guy…
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=1056
Games played in 2007 – 15 + 1 game in the playoffs
TO played against....
…the Giants but he was hurt. Without TO as a threat Romo was incapable of moving the ball. Sorry bro, I want improvement at the position. If you like being laughed at by Eagles and Giants fans year in and year out at our inability to make it happen when it counts then continue to look like a fool making excuses for the team.
There is no need to attack people, who are fans of the Cowboys, for wanting to win Super Bowls. If you are content with mediocrity then that’s you.
Iggles and Gints fans werent laughing at the beginning of the season
Oh by the way, how did Cutler do last year? Remind me how the Broncos December went.
I thought you said
Teams win or lose games, not Quarterbacks?
Please expand.
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Mar 17, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
What is the relevance of wins and losses
When Cowboys losses are in any way attributed to Romo, you rally to his defence. Why are you so quick to apply a different standard to Cutler?
What was your thinking when you said he lost his last 4 games. That seems contrary to your fundamental beliefs about football and quarterbacks. Do you apply your standards in a selective manner?
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Mar 17, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
no I don't
Romo lost the Steelers game and I’m the first to say so and my reply to Cash’s comment.
In Romo we Trust
So was your point
That Cutler is to blame for all four losses?
Quarterbacks don’t win games, teams do, correct?
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Mar 17, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't say he was to blame
like I said I was responding to Cash’s comment, go up and read it and you’ll know why.
In Romo we Trust
Not only did he lose the last four
he only had to win one of those against a pretty poor set of teams to clinch the AFC west and clinch a 4th seed in the playoffs
Watch it there......
We lost 3 out of 4 in Dec. as well
I'm not trying to get into the Cutler debate....
but in all fairness to Cutler-they didn’t have any RB’s left and their defense was terrible.
again, that's a stretch....
we had a RB named Choice that was pretty darn good compared to Denver and I wouldn’t insult our Defense saying it was in the category of Denvers. I’m not saying trade for Cutler but your argument is very weak to say the least.
actually terry... our defense is a hell of a lot better than denver's. come on now.
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
i'm talking about the entire 2008 season
now i will agree that our D royally SUCKED in the two games you mentioned above.
however, that denver defense was practically a sieve all year long.
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
Are you judging that
against Denver’s entire season, or are you going to pick and choose their worst game and worst two minute stretch as well?
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Mar 17, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
"attack people"
Are you serious Cash?
For two years now I’ve seen you post and thats ALL you do.
I have been known to be aggressive at times because of stances, but I generally apologize and more times then not I just get really heated and I’m not going out of my way to be a db.
But if you want to bring up the Giants game, why don’t you talk about the special teams not being able to cover, the defense missing tackles,…
OOOOOOOH and the fact that Tom Brady and Randy Moss were ineffective against them as well. The Giants outplayed Dallas, you don’t always have to suck to lose, sometimes the other team is just better on that given day.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
the Washington game doesn't count
Wade was resting starters and Romo played only a qtr, clearly the team wasn’t interested in winning that game, home field was clinched
In Romo we Trust
Ya I went...
….back and looked at the record from that year. The league didn’t count that last game. They said they called you and you told them it didn’t count. Thanks for clearing that up.
that's a fundamental problem with the team then....
quote from Terry"clearly the team wasn’t interested in winning that game."
I come from a totally different approach. You always try to win the game. You see where it got us don’t you?
And never never ever forget these words...
… from this unforgettable clip
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
Hes played 2 without TO
I didn’t think he played that poorly against carolina, and our current weapons are far more dangerous than the ones we had back then (2nd year Austin, Crayton, Witten and Barber).
The Washington game was a joke, nobody on the team took it seriously. THe only two goals we had were setting records and to incorporate terry glenn into the offense.
Hell, I don't remember a good game Aikman had without Irvin on the field. It helps to have good WR's.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
manning to Harrison or Wayne
Brady is once again the exception
by AustonianAggie on Mar 17, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Cutler has had options
but not the options Romo has had, and not the running game or All-Pro lineman. Cutler and Romo both make careless mistakes, which is why trading one gun slinger for another is not ideal.
As critical as I am of Tony Romo, Jay Cutler is no improvement.
True enough ...
… but I would still take the young gun. You can’t teach a guy how to have a stronger arm.
and how is having a slightly stronger arm
mean he is better?? If arm strength was everything, Jeff George would be in the HOF right now.
In Romo we Trust
If arm strength was everything
Where did he say it is the only factor? He only suggests it is a factor, not the only factor to consider.
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Mar 17, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Where'd he say that?? I read that he'd take the young gun because you can't teach a guy to have a stronger arm??
The only other factor he mentioned was “upside”.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
Not slightly stronger...
…..much stronger. Cutler throws the ball with zip and can go much further down field. Romo throws floaters. See the Baltimore game.
When half of the Raven defense
is in your face on every throw, it is a little hard to get anything on the throw
So if half of the defense was in his face....
….how could they have had anyone back in coverage?
they couldnt.
The other half was on the Cowboys sideline enjoying the wonderful Kool-aid Wade made before the game.
Ya ok..
….take the Romoroos off buddy. Your right Romo is awesome. I mean he was constantly underthrowing recievers deep all season, but ya your right that means nothing.
Didn't your parole officer tell you
Not to ask people on the internet to take their underwear off?
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Mar 17, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Hi, take a seat
Are you Chris Hansen from Dateline To Catch a Predator?
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Mar 17, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Does that mean the Boys should draft a QB
Those guys have zero playing time and are %100 upside
BTB drinking game
Development of my BTB drinking game is going a little slow, but you can add meme to the list of obscure words (another favorite is ballast) that Raf likes to throw around that will most certainly trigger a drinking requirement in said game …
I had to look that one up
Hey I learned a new word today. Meme.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Mar 17, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
My BTB drinking game...
Every time an ordinary post turns into Romo haters vs. Romo supporters, we drink. But then again the arguments would probably become more frequent, and violent, and several of us would experience alcohol poisoning.
Raf you can't win for losing, you should know logic does not stand a chance against fandom.
At this point I cannot tell if cash is just trading barb for barb with Terry, because Terry has shown a history of chasing all Romo (shiny) comments or he really believes what he is typing. Right now I just think this Cutler/Romo thing will have to run its course and will not die down until Cutler is traded or until something else comes in. I also think that with TO gone Romo has become the focus of fan concerns about the team, because everybody knows a lot is riding on his shoulders next year; and not everybody is okay with that idea. So when a new “shiny” thing comes along some will grab hold and try to rationalize the idea no matter how far fetched it may seem. The people who are less okay with this idea are those who believe that cutting TO and do not believe that romo will measure up without him. I look at a lot of these posts and laugh at the silllyness, but a few commenters make me a little sad, they carry a flag for ideas/players that are irrelevant.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
I want to get into an argument with someone...
about McBriar.
Shortest debate ever.
I definitly think that this team needs a controversial punter.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
McBriar is an injury prone sissy.
Paulescu came in and made one of the best tackles all season. He’s a man. Only in his second year and 5 years younger than McBriar. Trade that old fogy Mcbriar for a 3rd string QB. They need to get the younger player on the field so he can develop.
Game Recognize Game
by pretty ricky on Mar 17, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
You are kidding right?
because if you aren’t this is crazy.
Yeah
All punters should be able to play with broken feet. Thats right. The rubbery consistancy of the foot helps the ball to go further
I agree
I would have been like “cut it off mick!” and then kicked with my nub.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
LOL
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Mar 18, 2009 2:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Nope.
I look at the two QBs and see nothing intangibly better in one over the other. I know Romo has regressed since taking the starting job and he doesn’t have equal physcial tools to Cutler. I’m taking the guy with more upside.
The thing is, most of these guys that came over from BSR have a history of making bad personel predictions. They tend to support everything that comes out of Valley Ranch. I would say 90% of them probably still think Carpenter was a great pick.
It’s the ability to be honest about the team while still being a fan.
Yes but did you think...
….it was a good pick at the time? Some of us were in the Manny Lawson camp and some were in the Carpenter camp. Had we taken Lawson we wouldn’t have needed to draft Spencer the following year. Until further notice I believe you liked Carpenter when he was drafted.
ummm Lawson also sucks
We should of drafted a CB or SS or so
by AustonianAggie on Mar 17, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
As long as we are talking the 2006 Draft
And staying true to this thread, we should have taken Cutler LOL
Yeah
I was rooting for the Lawson pick, but it would have made no difference based on his play so far.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Mar 18, 2009 2:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Bro...
Who the hell are you to come out every 2 or 3 months and take jabs at people on the boards?
I wasn’t a big Carpenter fan, but even if I was, does the fact that I might have a different opinion really offend you that much?
I’m sure you’ve never been wrong on anything in your life.
I’m sure there hasn’t ever been a playere you liked that ended up being a bust.
Come down from your ivory tower and join the commoners once in a while.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
I'll admit it: I WAS A BIG SUPPORTER OF DRAFTING BOBBY CARPENTER!!!!
And I don’t care who knows it!!! So there!!!
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
You man hating she devil!
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
You mean Hall of Famer Manny Lawson??
Not only that but if we had drafted Lawson then we could just get rid of Ware since they play the same position. Would have saved us a lot of money!!
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
LOL, Lawson!
Hi, Cash, yes, it’s me, on of those Carpenter supporters… And you’re the Lawson supporter… We’re both awful talent evaluators…
And both of us wanted Wimbley ahead of Carpenter and Lawson… That was a pretty poor Draft for 3-4 OLBS…
wooo wooo woooo
1. First of all dude I think you are totally off on all of the guys that came from BSR having a history of making bad personell predictions. I think there are more people who are overlycritical than supportive of every move.
2. You can have a bad year, with a bad injury and bad injuries around you without regressing.
I think I’m a pretty realistic fan, but I don’t think having a little optimism is a bad thing either.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
Carp pick make since at the time
I’m almost always for a trade down. It didn’t happen so a pick had to be made.
It's all hindsight...
That was overall a really crappy draft.
Dallas has ZERO starters from that draft.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
Depressed.....
…..avoiding all things Cowboys. :)
Everyone likes to blame it on Terry
But honestly, its also the fault of every Romo hater combined that see a post about Romo and start to bash. Many represent the Romo haters, only Terry represents the lovers, so its easy to point the finger.
Calling people
who dare criticize Romo as “haters” doesn’t exactly help the situation. If I say Romo doesn’t protect the ball well enough, or made stupid passes against Baltimore, does that make me a hater?
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Mar 18, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
No, its just the semantics
I am young, as much as I don’t want to kill the language, but its tough to avoid using certain terms. That’s all i meant by haters was those who criticize Romo, which I do myself on occasion. Didn’t mean anything by it. But I would not say those who “dare” criticize Romo, because it seems like a majority of the people on this blog criticize him. Defending him seems more daring to me.
"hater" is a sports term
made famous by Stewart Scott at ESPN when he coined the term “player hater” during Sportscenter segments.
Hater in sports world really means someone who harshly criticizes or dislikes a player on a consistent basis. It doesn’t mean you actually hate the person as some have thought on this blog.
In Romo we Trust
But
who decides what is fair criticism and what his harsh? Using terms like haters attacks the posters, not the posts, and reduces the level of debate.
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Mar 18, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
It doesn't matter
You missed my original point. All I was saying is we are all to blame for everything turning into a thread all about Romo. Just as many times as someone jumps in praising Romo, someone jumps in criticizing him. Usually each side is based on opinion too, making neither side more right or wrong than the other. I can’t speak for everyone, but in saying hater I mean no harm, or no personal attack, because as much as we all disagree, we are all on the same overall side.
I disagree
calling somebody a hater is no different than calling somebody a pollyanna, it’s not a personal attack at all.
In Romo we Trust
I did just hear something funny though.....
they were debating trading Romo for Cutler and they said that Jessica would be included in the trade. If that’s the case, I say go for it. LOL
Newman is Right
Romo is 4+ years older, is a declining player, and never had the skill sets of Cutler to start with. He’s proven to be one of the biggest choke in sports, and treats the quarterback position like an casting call for the Bachelor. As Newman correctly pointed out, the Simpsons are the biggest distractions in Dallas, and that has to change.
Tony Romo, with his laissez faire approach to the football, will never win a playoff game with the Cowboys and his value will never be higher. The opportunity to land one of the five best young QB prospects in all of football, has to be looked at with all seriousness. Take the cap hit, eliminate the distractions, and set the franchise on solid ground for the next decade.
You know what I thought of when you posted that?
This is an example of when an animal has been trained specific response to a specific trigger.
Ex. Romo is not good
Terry comes in to defend Romo, etc.
It kinda makes me think of an episode of a show my daugher watches The Mighty B. The main character’s brother cannot stand to have any type of food combinations on his plate, let alone any food touching. So she tries to break him off that behavior by locking him in a room with her and her friends dressed as different foods hugging to show that it is okay for foods to be put together. In the end he is cured of his malady and can eat normal food.
The point is I think Terry needs the same treatment his profile needs to be locked in a post that has nothing but negative/constructive criticism of romo until he learns to develop a thicker skin against opinions that affect his sensitive thin-skin.
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Do you know what show I am talking about, it has Amy Pohler and it's pretty tolerable for a kids tv show.
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Does it remind you of ren and stimpy, not from the content (becasue R&S was out there)
but kinda from the animation style, it has that ren & stimpy nostaligia to it.
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Newman is right
Terence Newman believes Tony Romo is a great quarterback. Reached Monday, Newman said he doesn’t believe the relationship affects Romo, “but the public perception is that it does affect him.”
“The thing they don’t see is he might go [out of town] but at the same time he comes back and works out,” Newman said. “He’s been in there the past couple of weeks with the rest of us. Roy Williams and me and a bunch of guys are in there busting our butts, and he’s right there with us. They don’t see him working out. They don’t see what he puts into the preparation.”
http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/
As usual, Tex is FOS.
In Romo we Trust
How many starlets has Romo knocked up?
I guess you would want to throw Brady under the bus too? Two years ago wasn’t Eli one of the biggest draft busts ever. Michael Vick pick sure didn’t work out.
As far as I know
None. I dont recall any of them being pregnant. But then again I dont frequent TMZ ot perezhilton’s sites very often
Romo can knock up a starlet for every Super Bowl trophy he has won
Using that standard, Brady can bag Jessica Alba and Megan Fox without any problem
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
Dude! You're slow today. A Romo story should be catnip to you.
Were you not advocating Brady Quinn all last year? Scratch that, the last two years? The NFP the last few days has been on Cleveland to jump into the Cutler sweepstakes cause Pretty Boy Brady isn’t cutting it.
Look on the bright side, Tex. He can join Henson in your cabana boy stable.
He only has certain times that he's allowed computer access at the funny farm
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Mar 18, 2009 2:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Mike from Denver
I live in Denver. I am a Cowboy fan and not a Denver fan and I think Romo is a good quarterback. However:
Cutler has had no running game (lost 6 running backs last year) to support him, Romo has had some studs and a good line blocking line.
Cutler has had no defense, Romo has had a pretty good one.
Cutler has had to take chances because of no defense and running game. Romo take chances because he likes to.
Both guys have not won in the post season.
In the past two years (16 losses by Denver), Cutler lost 11 of those games when the Denver allowed 30 points or more. Cutler is not a miracle worker. Look at the Colts record when they have allowed 30 points or more.
Cutler is someone that wears his feelings on his sleeve, Romo says he has had a nice life so far and if nothing changes he will have a good life.
Unfortunately, the economics of this trade may make Cutler not attractive. Cutler is looking for a long term deal, probably in the neighborhood of what Romo got. I am not sure that Jones will pay out another blockbuster deal to Cutler and eat the ROMO signing bonus. However, we know that Jerry can become a little crazy when there is a player out there he likes.
And by the way, for all you commenters that use words like stupid, dumb, ignorant … and the like it is only a reflection on you. I think most of us are informed, just have a different opinion.
OK
Just to be devils advocate…
Dallas has played in the NFC East… one, if not THE BEST division in football.
The AFC West… not so much.
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also he must not watch many Cowboys games
if he thinks our OL and defense are good.
In Romo we Trust
Terry, calm down......
cause now your blaming our OL and Defense? Come on that’s a stretch. Go take some more of your meds
so you actually think they're good??
If they were, we would have made the playoffs. Looks like you’re the one that should be taking meds
In Romo we Trust
The defense...
was pretty good dude.
I mean it was an above average defense, not great but above average.
Romo didn’t play great this year, but it wasn’t all his fault either.
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I disagree
the defense was horrid in the last 2 minutes against the Ravens and the Eagle game which is when we needed them the most.
Romo played better than Aikmans best year…
In Romo we Trust
Ok, I hope you're not saying
Romo is better than Aikman. His numbers may be better, but that’s just silly.
I'm not obviously
I think Aikman was the best qb I ever saw play, but statistically speaking Romo has put up better numbers than Aikman ever did, so if you think Romo didn’t have a great year, Aikman must not have had any good years as well.
In Romo we Trust
This is were i have to step in
OK if romo play like he was suppose to in the steelers game when the D played their heart out. Romo made two cruicial errors in the final minutes of that game to cost us the playoffs.
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I agree...
The D had some bad moments in the Steelers game, but that was REALLY bad play by Romo.
That is IMO the second worst performance of his career.
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you cant be perfect all game
but the O was doing nothing.. and the D just stepped it up every time.. you can only have some many goal line stands
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I disagree
He cost us the Steelers game but not the playoffs. The rest of the team had a hand in that as well.
In Romo we Trust
but he is apart of team
you say the D let us down in the ravens game to cost us the playoffs i say the steeler game was more important and he let us down
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If Dallas has one thing to blame
this team lacks mental fortitude – Tony’s INT shouldn’t of been the end of that game; I’m hoping with excitable TO gone, this team’s emotional composure will be stronger, more consistent
by AustonianAggie on Mar 17, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
But they weren't a....
BAD defense.
It wasn’t like they were horrible.
They let up some big plays, but Romo had his share of crappy plays in those games too.
I mean, it can be argued that the defense won against Tampa Bay and had a huge part in that Giants and Washington win.
They had the most sacks in the NFL, they didn’t suck.
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Yeah...
But so did the entire Dallas Cowboys roster.
No one played great in Philly.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
I disagree that the defense was bad.
Frustrating but not bad.
The O-line on the other hand was frigging puke IMO.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
How about the previous 58 minutes?
When Wade took over, the D clicked it up a gear and look good for several games. Sure getting beat my Big Ben, gutted by the Ravens and thrashed by Philly kinda sucked, but they did have a good run.
I'm not saying they sucked all year
just when we needed them the most they did. For a portion of the season, they played very well.
In Romo we Trust
+ a kajillion and one.
Last season I would watch the whole game to see how they would pull it out (Buffalo). This year I hid my eyes and listened as they found a way to blow it. Either the defense would brain fart and get burned or the offense would drive down and fumble or throw a game ending int.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
hahaha......
I meant meds as in blood pressure meds. You’re getting yourself all worked up and your blood pressure must be thru the roof.
Agreed, as far as last year goes the west was a joke in both conferences.
Romo lost the ravens, skins, game after scoring 24 points on offense, if the defense cannot hold a team to under 24 points against two teams that are not known for putting points on the board then maybe the losses that romo had against them this year were team related.
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I remember
Romo almost bringing us back in those games. He giveth and he taketh away. Thank goodness he giveth more in the forth quarter then he taketh
Romo would have lead a 4th qtr comeback in the ravens game
if it wasn’t for our horrid defense that game.
In Romo we Trust
well the defense
would of been heros if not for romo in the steelers game. If romo doesnt throw that int and doesnt completely choke on the next drive our D probably gets the biggest confidence boost ever heck probably our team and They ride that high all the way to the superbowl
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I don't know about that...
I mean that’s a little overboard.
You don’t know that Dallas would have won in OT.
AND Dallas came in the next week and beat a damn good Giants team.
The defense in the Steelers game had a meltdown as well in the last half of the 4th quarter.
That one play didn’t kill the season.
I mean the fact that they lost to the damn St. Louis Rams definitly didn’t help.
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good giants team?
you can only survive with so many injuries i dont remember all who was hurt But i think an OL AND jacobs and burress you can only be so good when your number 1 WR and RB go down.
And after the steeler lost i think is when stuff hit the fan. Thats when the romo witten stuff probably started to rise.
Not to mention the D played their Heart out for what the Defense did in that stadium and for Choice to step it up was amazing. Romo just seemed off in that game. If they win that game They would of been in the playoffs not to mention the morale boost it would of created. Winning cures all…
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I get what your saying...
But thats still a Giants squad who kicked the crap out of Baltimore without Burress and Jacobs.
I don’t think the one INT is the season.
That was what was frustrating with the team this year, they were in ALMOST every game.
The defense played HORRID against Washington the first game.
You can go back to any number of plays.
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you can but you cant tell me the steeler game wasnt
the biggest game of the season up to that point. Nothing would of been better for this squad was to get a decemeber win against a steeler team at home.. and the fact they came so close yet to lose it on one of romos gunslinger calls made it even worse then just getting blown out… it really took alot of them
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I don't know bro...
That was a bad game by Romo, but I don’t think the entire season was busted on one play.
I mean there were alot of wasted opportunities, like that muffed punt, and the two 4th and goals that were stopped by the Steelers.
Shouldn’t have lost the game, but it is what it is.
Those last 5 weeks, every game was a big game.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
see below haha
my point is we needed our QB to step it up when it mattered the most when it was obvious the rest of the team was doing it most of the game.. namely choice and the defense…
Romo needed one drive, two minutes, 3 points,,, thats all romo had to do and instead he did a bone headed move and threw a horrible pass for a pick six… maybe i should blame garrett either way.. the rest of what happened snowballed from there
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Oh I agree
He screwed up THE game, but that didn’t have to be the season.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
only because romo lost us the steeler game
Ill forgive him for his poor play all game because the D was amazing but we only needed him to be good not amazing not perfect just good and responsible for 2.. TWO! MINUTES. and whats he do…. pick six! Fine he has a chance to redeem his THIRD INT of the game and whats he do nohting.. four and out i believe.
Win that game pressure is off somewhat.. the team rides a morale boost runs over a injured giants team and all but locks the playoffs before the raven game even happens.
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Ugggg
So much hindsight.
There is no way to tell with Dallas anyways.
They were a pyscho team in terms of who would show up last year.
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really?
2mins away from winning the steeler game im not talking some crazy butterfly effect theory we win that game and we obviously beat the giants the other two games dont matter..
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clearly this speculation comes
because the cowboys need to be more mentally tough, respond to adversity better, and not be a rudderless ship getting tossed about on the waves of the season
by AustonianAggie on Mar 17, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Bingo
They were super unpredictable, and everything else that might have happened would have been speculation.
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If we want to go down that route...
then lets blame the entire season on Nick Folk.
He doesn’t miss one FG against Arizona, Romo doesn’t break his pinkie, McBriar isn’t out for the season, and Dallas gets into the playoffs…
All speculation though, who knows?
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You don't obviously
beat the Giants though.
You can’t say that.
Who knows how this teams makeup would have been like if they had beaten the Steelers. You say, “oh they beat the Steelers”, yeah but this is the same team that barely beat Cincy at home.
You have no idea what would have happened.
You can’t agree with me that Dallas was ridiculously unpredictable?
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i said
i wasnt getting in the butterfly effect.. everything else stays the same…
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Haha...
Well if thats the case then you could do that with tons of plays during the season.
If Sam Hurd gets that onside kick against Washington.
If Nick Folk makes that field goal.
If Tashard Choice doesn’t screw that option toss up.
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ok ok but romo is the leader the qb the general
it wasnt just that play but it was those two drives pick six and four in out.. it was in his hands
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how about we never call that option toss
by AustonianAggie on Mar 17, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
haha...
you know what thought, if choice makes the catch he has the first down
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agree.....
admittedly, our defense let us down vs the Ravens and Philly, but I wouldn’t put them in the same category as Denver’s.
I still to this day can only barely recall our D being on the field in that game
and that game more than any other supports my conjecture that this team was mentally weak in 08; bad things kept getting worse and mistakes kept snowballing.
Still my memory is of the offense giving up TDs 2 or 3 times
by AustonianAggie on Mar 17, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Geez,
you’re cutting and pasting this story on other sites.
We’re worthy of an original post, darnit!
I would stick with Romo!
They are both good. Cutler has done nothing to prove he is a better fit for this team. 0-3 down the strech when they needed to win ball games is not special.
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
How about that 60 yard run after the over the head snap
With Cutler, that’s 6 the other way. If Tony goes, Andre the Giant would have to fix his erratic snaps.
Dallas is on Pepper's Trade list...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3990124
Man I hope Jerry’s not interested. Not at his price tag, and not at what it might cost us. And don’t the Panthers play a 4-3?
Ware or Peppers?
They both won’t fit under the cap. I choose Ware
Oh good grief! The media is recycling stories now!
Wasn’t this front page news two weeks ago. Didn’t we have a story about
it, with Mr. Roarke and Tattoo?
Bring on the draft. Next thing, we’ll read Herschel Walker is making a Cowboys comeback (he’s going to guest on Michael Irvin’s reality show, naturally) and the Vikings are intensely interested in him!
I heard from ESPN that Duane Thomas will become the new OC if Carrot has a bad 09
"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips
Naw... Herschel's too busy on Celebrity Apprentice
And you’re right. Now we’ll see misleading tags all over the web of Peppers to Dallas possibility.
by Boundforbeach on Mar 17, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
when do you we get Joiner's numbers?
I want to study up on our running attack; it seemed last year to often be mired in frustration. Most of the frustration came after Koiser went, I want to see Proctor vs Koiser vs averages.
The 2 games Barber went over 100 yards was the Green Bay game and the second Washington game.
Both games Kosier played. That sums it up nicely. Procter was better at pulling on draw plays which Choice excelled at.
"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips
I noticed all year we were pretty good at draws
until it became obvious we were going to do it because we did so often
by AustonianAggie on Mar 17, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Personally
I like the idea of having a home grown QB, and not someone else’s re-tread. Cutler has a lot of upside, but the kid has a lot of downside as well if he cannot handle the fact he was talked about being traded and alledgedly being lied to.
Call my opinion old fashioned, but I enjoyed watching the QB’s and others that we have drafted over the years. To me, that’s what makes Romo, Barber, Felix, Choice, Whiten, Bennett, Gurode, Newman, Ratliff, Scandrick, Jenkins and others special to me. I’ve watched their progression and they are home grown. I always root for the free agents we pick up because they are Cowboys, but it’s a little extra special when they are on the roster from the start. So all things being equal, I will take Romo because he was home grown over someone else’s QB.
I have resolved and accepted the fact that TO won’t be here next season and that Romo will have to lead my team without TO’s presence on the field. Win or lose, I will root for my team. I will not judge Romo on last years performance, because there were a lot of factors involved in determining wins and loses. I am a person who believes that the sky is not falling because of one player not being here. It’s a team sport like no other. Just my opinion.
it's like Romo's under attack from a zombie horde
TO’s gone, new body to chew on
by AustonianAggie on Mar 17, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions
They were making a meal out of him befoe TO was let go, but, yeah, some of the
hostility toward the guy is getting bizarre. He had an off year, was injured, had a lousy O line in front of him. It happens. Cutler is whiny, moody, and, according to Raf, has at least as many flaws, if not more, in his game than Romo. But people need a scapegoat, and I guess Romo is it. The O line, the D line, and the coaches should be thanking Romo for taking the heat they all deserve, too.
they should be thanking him for the wins too
he really does make the team more competitive
by AustonianAggie on Mar 17, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Anybody remember "The Statue" aka Bledslow
He was a strong armed and accurate QB, but he held the ball too long and had slump block feet. Romo came in, and his ability to throw on the run changed everything.
The sports radio guys here in Austin referred to him as the "concrete slab"
because he couldn’t move.
+100000000
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
That's what I like about the guy. The feeling that the Cowboys are
never out of a game until the final gun sounds.
Agreed
Many here I believe have short memories and what it was like with Bledsoe and Quincy at the helm. It was a helpless feeling when we fell behind with those guys at QB. I still remember the day Romo took over at QB. There was this feeling that he could and would deliver as needed. Just because Romo didn’t have a good year last year, I’m not writing him off. The injuries, pathetic OL play and the constant drama surrounding TO was too much to overcome. Sometimes the stars aren’t in alignment and things happen. I expect a more focused team next year and hopefully it will result in a few more wins along the way.
+1
I remember the Detroit game in 2007. As bad as we played I just knew that Romo would bring us back. And he did. We haven’t had that in a QB in a long time.
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Didn't Quincy take us to the playoffs?
I thought in Quincy’s only full year as a starter, we were 10-6 and one and done in the playoffs. How is that worse than what has happened with Romo as the starter?
by Baked Potato Soup on Mar 17, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions
.....
Are you serious?
Rex Grossman has made it to a super bowl, but he wasn’t a good QB.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
I'm completely serious.
The post I responded to said many have short memories as to what it was like with Quincy at the helm, and I believe that to be true, but ironically. Everyone seems to forget that we were 10-6 and lost in the first round of the playoffs. I don’t see how that’s much different than what we’ve done the past 3 years with Romo as the starter.
by Baked Potato Soup on Mar 18, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
we also had the best defense in the league
If Romo would ever have the best defense in the league, he’d definitely lead the Cowboys to SB titles.
In Romo we Trust
"Definitely"?
you can’t say definitely….maybe hopefully but not definitely.
okay..more than likely
he certainly would have been more successful than Carter in playoff games
In Romo we Trust
And Romo has a lot more offensive talent.
He was also given a few years to improve, instead of being thrown to the wolves like Quincy. If Quincy had the same players around him, TO, Witten, MB3, etc., and been given 3 years to mature and develop, he would have definitely led the Cowboys to SB titles. He certainly would have been more successful than Romo in playoff games.
by Baked Potato Soup on Mar 19, 2009 1:50 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm looking for the sarcasm....
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
Amazing question.
Record wise, they’re both 0-1 in the playoffs. So no worse comparing that stat. But I hope your not suggesting that Quincy was just as good a QB as Romo because of that stat, because that would be just ludicrous and offensive based on body of work done and who those men are.
Quincy certainly wasn’t a playmaking QB and was not the answer to this franchise with his lack of character and lack of brains. Going thru life in the NFL"baked and stupid" will be his legacy. Out of all the QB’s this franchise has ever put behind center, Quincy has to be the most embarrassing choice selected to be a leader of men.
I agree.
But at the same time, I don’t really think it’s an argument in Romo’s favor that he has been able to lead the men precisely as far as Quincy Carter has. If Romo were to retire today, his legacy wouldn’t be that great either.
Jerry pulled a great management move by cutting TO, because he needs to find out if Romo really is the future of this franchise. He has eliminated all of Romo’s excuses now, and it’s time to find out if he was for real. I think that if Romo and TO had been the same age, that TO would still be on the team and we would be drafting competition for Romo. But because of the potential of the uncapped year and the fact that Romo continues to not get it done, Jerry needed to find out what he has. There are no more excuses for Romo to fail.
by Baked Potato Soup on Mar 18, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
and Romo hasn't failed since he's started
if you want blame him soley for playoff failures, you can but you’d most certainly be wrong.
Romo has a career 90+ qb rating and more than likely always will, that in and of itself makes him light years superior to the coke man Carter.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Mar 18, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up