Cowboys Draft Profiles '09: Assessing the Safeties
Let's get to the point. Dallas needs safeties. Sure, they've toyed with moving Orlando Scandrick and Stephen Jones recently mentioned the team is considering moving Alan Ball to the back center, but that's shuffling deck chairs on a listing ship. Dallas needs a talent infusion at safety. One look at Dallas' safety template and you'll see why.
The Cowboy value five skills.
- They want safeties who can tackle.
- They want tough players, who can support the run with abandon.
- They want smart players, who will not be duped by play fakes.
- They want players who can recognize formations and route combinations and adjust on the fly.
- They want safeties with good coverage skills, who can cover ground and track passes in the air.
These may seem like obvious points, but how many Cowboys' safeties can check off every one of these boxes and say, "I can do this" with regularity?
Ken Hamlin? He was this type of safety in '07, but his tackling was erratic last year. The Rams fiasco and the end of the Ravens' loss show he can improve here.
Who's left? Roy Williams is gone. Pat Watkins isn't the smartest guy on the roster, and his coverage skills leave much to be desired. Courtney Brown? He gave way to the slightly-built Tra Battle, because Brown's tackling didn't assure the coaches. Balls movement to safety suggests the team wants more speed and range.
At the moment, Gerald Sensabaugh is the default strong safety. With Watkins on thin ice, the Cowboys have three safeties with any experience -- Hamlin, Sensabaugh and Battle -- as of March 18th.
Does this list suggest the Cowboys are ready to go forward with the guys they have? Not a chance. Safety remains a high priority for Dallas. The question then becomes, what type of safety do they pursue? The templates suggest they want an all-around type, a Hamlin clone who can play a half of the field, drop into centerfield, or fill on toss plays to his side.
The Cowboys believe that a safety candidate with only modest coverage skills has to be exceptional against the pass. Of free safeties, they want guys who can blanket tight ends and backs in man-to-man coverage.
Which players in this year's crop best fit the Dallas template? To help, we should add a sixth quality Dallas values -- they want safeties who have been productive over time. They'll move a Brown, or a Ball or a Scandrick inside, but they would much rather have a guy with some experience managing a secondary.
If you look at two year production, a short list emerges. Here they are, in tiers, according to where most mocks predict them to fall:
Out of Reach
Sean Smith, Utah,
King-sized prospect, at 6'3", 215 lbs. Has 16 passes broken up and 9 picks his last two years. Played corner in college and may be tried there in the pros. Played out of his mind in Utah's Sugar Bowl win over Alabama. Has risen up draft charts and will likely go in the very late first or very early second. I've heard the Cowboys like him, but they'll have to move up if they want him.
Maybes
Louis Delmas, Western Michigan
A bit smaller than ideal, at 5'11", and a bulked-up 202 lbs. He's the top rated free safety on most lists and is all over the mocks. Some have him going very early in the 2nd. Others have him falling to Dallas' 51st pick or later.
Size aside, Delmas fits the Cowboys' profile. He's a productive four-year starter, who had a strong senior year. He stood out during Senior Bowl practices. Look at his profiles and you see consistent praise for his coverage skills.
William Moore, Missouri
Prototype size -- 6'0", 221 lbs. Posted outstanding numbers his junior year --117 tackles and 8 INTs -- and entered '08 as the top-rated safety. Was injured a lot last year and his production dropped. He struggled at the Senior Bowl, raising questions about his coverage skills. He had a strong Pro Day and may be rising back up draft boards. The Cowboys could have him as an option at 51 but will need to research him carefully. Will good health restore him to elite status, or is he another Roy Williams?
Patrick Chung, Oregon
Another big, tough prospect who rates in the 51-69 range. I've seen split reviews on his coverage skills. Some profiles laud his coverage skills, while others claim he struggles matching up in space. The Dallas scouts' tape reviews will determine how strongly he's pursued in the 2nd or 3rd.
Rashad Johnson, Alabama
Like Delmas, his reviews are all over the place. Look at one list and he's the top rated safety. Look at another and he's a late 3rd round talent. He's fallen behind Delmas in the ratings, though they are very similar size-wise. Some teams appear concerned about his size and wonder whether he can tackle aggressively and consistently at the pro level.
Nobody can deny his production. He quarterbacked Nick Saban's pro-style Alabama secondary and posted 19 breakups and 11 picks the last two years. He knows how to find the football.
The Sleeper
Sherrod Martin, Troy
If Dallas passes on a safety with its first pick, and takes a pass rusher, or an offensive lineman, don't be shocked to hear Martin's name later on. He's another tweener like Smith, who some teams project as a corner. He played free safety in college and produced for four years. Was rated lower initially because he has an injury history and will be 25 years old this year. Appears to be rising late: the National Football Post put Martin among its top 60 prospects this past week.
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Red and Black!! Red and Black!! Red and Black!! Congrats boys first time in team history over .500
by aussie_cowboy on Mar 18, 2009 12:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Depends on how the chips fall
I think Dallas will pick the best player on the board in the area’s of need for the 51st and their 3rd round pick. DT, ILB, OLB, SS, CB & possible WR. I really don’t think they will get a tackle at 51. Jones doesn’t like picking O-line high anyway. I think CB and WR could be later round picks along with O-line picks. All grooming backups. We need starting backups for DT, SS, ILB and OLB. There are more needs than has been written lately.
by torchindefenses on Mar 18, 2009 12:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I say SS and DT first, then pick up those linebackers.
Unless all the 3-4 defensive teams pass on the OLB’s and one falls to 51.
by torchindefenses on Mar 18, 2009 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Post As Always Raf
You just can’t find this kind of in-depth Cowboys draft strategy anywhere else!
I’m lovin’ it.
If Sean Smith drops into the 2nd round, I wonder which teams, ahead of DAL are also looking for safties?
Which teams would DAL have to leap over in order to get a shot at Smith?
Moving up from #51 to the top of the 2nd round could probably be had for a 2nd round swap and an additional 4th rounder, if a “dance partner” could be found.
by BishopWest on Mar 18, 2009 12:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Its a weak Safety year .....
I say get the sleeper.
Of course ‘weak’ is relative. I don’t want to talk about the 2010 draft where at least THREE safeties are going to carry consensus first round grades, but before you chide me for not knowing what year it is, I know. Just dreaming bout that Kid in Tennessee ………
by alanTdot. on Mar 18, 2009 12:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that would be creepy if you weren't talking about football lol
"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips
by MrMinority on Mar 18, 2009 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorta off topic safety question
Having never played organized football, what exactly is the technique for knowing whether to play run or pass when you’re a safety? I mean, I know the safety can look at down and distance, and queue off hints from the other players, but at the end of the day, aren’t you just playing the percentages? Which means almost all players are going to end up biting on the fake at some point?
Sorry for being off-topic (sort of), but I figured you guys know football, and it’s always bothered me…
by alienasia on Mar 18, 2009 1:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you answered most of your question
I would just add the prep film study plays a big part of increasing your odds of reacting correctly. Recognizing what personnel packages the offense uses for different plays, and what plays they have a tendency to run in a given down and distance with those packages. That’s one reason Ed Reed is so damn good, he’s got the physical ability and the dedication to breakdown opponents on film.
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by APerfectStar on Mar 18, 2009 2:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
relevant to Raf's #4 S skill above
“recognize formations and route combinations and adjust on the fly.”
but to take it one step further, as Raf alludes to with Johnson, it is not just the ability to adjust themselves, but to QB the secondary and make sure the other DBs are lined up and reacting properly as well. Hamlin plays this role, and it is an somewhat intangible skill that i’d think would add to the draft value of those players who have the smarts to do it well.
by scottmaui on Mar 18, 2009 3:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so if Hamlin is already the QB of the D , why draft another with our first pick ?
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 18, 2009 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how long is Hamlin going to be around?
and would it hurt to have 2 guys back there who could both help play this role?
by scottmaui on Mar 18, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
our safeties should be interchangable
you have to stop thinking about FS and SS as all of our safeties have to have both skill sets.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Mar 18, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
because he's the only member of the secondary who can cover
and he’s shown his tackling is inconsistent, that’s why.
He get hurt and Dallas has NOBODY who can find a football in the air, and then we’re back to ’06.
14 TD passes in the last month. I’ve had enough of that, thanks.
by Rafael Vela on Mar 18, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I should say he's the only SAFETY in the secondary who can cover
by Rafael Vela on Mar 18, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, but also don't see Hamlin being placed in the box either..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 18, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It' slowly becoming a spread league
who lined up and tried ramming the ball down Dallas’ throat last year? The Giants did. The Ravens did. Washington did from time to time, but the rest of the time, teams were passing.
I can see Hamlin moving down. He’s 207, which is the same size and Keith Davis, and nobody seems to be arguing that Keith and his Amazing Technicolor Bullet Attracting Backside are too small.
Having watching this secondary hemorrhage TD passes the last five years, I’d feel a lot more confortable with two Hamlins than I would with Hamlin and a traditional thumper who’s trying to prove he’s better than Thong.
by Rafael Vela on Mar 18, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your saying is you don't believe any Safeties over the weight of 207lbs can cover ?
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 18, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No,
but I’ve scoured every report on the guys coming out this year and I don’t see any of the big guys getting even decent reviews for their cover skills.
I don’t want Dallas spending a high pick on a guy who’s simply a younger, cheaper version of Thong. It will take the OCs in the division about ten seconds to dust off their old Roy-centric game plans and rip him to pieces.
by Rafael Vela on Mar 18, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and to flip your argument on its head
I don’t know why 207 isn’t big enough to play in the box.
Bob Sanders is 206. I know there was a lot of sentiment for him among the Dallas brass in ’04 but Parcells — the guy who had the final say on these picks (not Jerry) — ruled him out of their 2nd round plans because he was “too small.”
You’re a football player, or you’re not.
by Rafael Vela on Mar 18, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That kinda matches what scandrick said in reference to a question about his
size in regards to him possibly playing safety; he said it has more to do with attitude than size.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Mar 18, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Attitude
is a big part of what Scandrick brings, something the Dallas secondary can use.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Mar 18, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To add
Troy Polamalu is 207. You think he’s too small to play in the box?
Ed Reed is 200.
You’re a football player, or you’re not.
by Rafael Vela on Mar 18, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
And Rashad Johnson is a football player.
by Johnny Cage on Mar 18, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+2
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
by kameleon_o on Mar 18, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you haven't noticed Bob Sanders hasn't played a complete season since he entered into the league...a poor example..if you ask me...
Ed Reed doesn’t play in the box….another poor example….
Polamalu is thee exception….but if you think any of these guys come close to his ability…your kiddin yourself..and if you asked Terry, you’d realize his coverage ability isn’t what he’s known for….
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 18, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Polamalu's SS buddy Ryan Clark is 205
but he’s obviously too small, what with all the kill shots he delivered last year.
by Rafael Vela on Mar 18, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not against any Safety that weighs a legit 205lbs +.....I'd like to know what Safeties you think Dallas is targeting ?
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 18, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You yourself mentioned Chung and Moore in your posting, yet you think they'll strickly thumpers ?.....some have questioned both their abilities in deep coverage...
from what your saying now, neither would be considered because of a perceived difficiency in their coverage …..leaving you with Rashad Johnson and Louis Delmas……..I personally think Delmas is sure to be gone by #51….leaving you with FS prospect – Rashad Johnson, who’s game weight at Alabama was 187lbs to 192lbs…….
1) You think this guy is a top 50 player ?
2) You think this guy is big or strong enough to come right in and contribute ?
3) You would take this guy over all other positions of need ? He’s rated 64th to 90th on most most respectable draft services..He should be there at #69 of the 3rd.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 18, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear u
Numba1. Also when was Joihnson ever required to tackle anybody in Alabama’s defensive scheme? I don’t think that because you want to have a safety with better coverage skills than Thong, that you have to give up tackling or the option of playing in the box. If that combo safety is not there at #51 than you pass and wait.
by jevans1729 on Mar 18, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking the same thing, Sanders can't stay on the field
and Polamalu is going to have a very short career. He’s one concussion away from being done.
by StillHateTheGiants on Mar 18, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you miss...
I assume you’re talking about David Bruton (whom I like), William Moore (also like), and Curtis Taylor (don’t like).
But Michael Hamlin from Clemson and Chip Vaughn, Wake Forest seem pretty good. Summaries from Scott Wright’s Draft Countdown:
Hamlin
Great size and bulk…Has long arms…Nice instincts…Reads and reacts quickly…Tough and physical…Reliable tackler…Does a terrific job against the run…Good hands and ball skills…Can do some damage in the open field…Active and aggressive…Smart with a fantastic football IQ…Has a ton of experience…A team captain and leader…Productive.
Vaughn
Terrific size and bulk…Superb tackler…Real tough and physical…Will deliver the big hit…Very active and aggressive…Good range…Does a fantastic job against the run…Smart and instinctive…Very productive.
Res firma mitescere nescit
by Fighter15 on Mar 18, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hamlin and Vaughn
Good options 3rd round or later. I also like Otis Wiley, and Reshard Langford 5th round or later. Lots of options
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by APerfectStar on Mar 19, 2009 6:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly Tom..."lots of options" and not much of a falloff in talent either.
This group of Safeties are good, not great…the differences between the supposed “top guys” at Safety is very minimal between the 3rd- 4th round rated guys…..which is why I personally don’t think we should be looking strickly Safety in round 2, and we shouldn’t be upset if we don’t land one of the “top guys”.. None are starting over Hamlin at FS, and none are good enough to push Hamlin to SS, and devalue the Sensabaugh-SS addition, to make room for a rookie centerfielder as our last line of defense..
But if Dallas brass are sold on Delmas, Moore, or Chung, I’ll be alright if they’re chosen.I am sure they’ll make their way on the field in dime packages, and be great additions to special teams..
.I also believe the 2nd round is too early to go LB as well, unless Conner Barwin or Clint Sintim can be had at #51 or by moving up to get them. The value at LB begins in the middle of round 3, early 4th round for us…So I would trade down in the 3rd, and move up with the top 4th rounder, and the mid 4th pick…….
That leaves possible….2nd round options :
OL- Mack, Robinson, Beatty, Unger, Meredith, Wood.
CB- Alphonso Smith, DJ Moore
CB/FS Sean Smith, Jarius Byrd
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 19, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so why spend a pick at all on Safety in round 2 or 3 ?
btw…If your refering to Will Moore for instance, a former CB, who has displayed abilities in coverage, and play making ability at 233lbs…..He’s now down to 222lbs, and could probably gain lean muscle and even lose more weight…play in the 215-220 range…closer to the line,
Johnson and Delmas are 195 soaking wet (don’t let that creatine filled torso at the combine fool ya)…I don’t care if they cover, and jury is out on that..believe me…they lack the speed to cover a WR……Sean Smith is better than both, and twice the size…I would rather be looking at larger physical cornerbacks like Jarius Bryd who can play nickle CB or FS when in subpackages….
Better yet is waiting till the 4th round and pick up a Macho Harris, Glover Quin, Keenan Lewis, Ladarius Webb, or even a few rounds later to grab a Bradley Fletcher or DJ Clark. All mentioned are legit cover CB’s with Safety measurables and tenacious tackling abilities or ball skills…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 18, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care what you think about any of these guys
I know what the team is thinking and you’re way off base.
by Rafael Vela on Mar 18, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
alrighty insider...
OK draft room insider….what players under 200lbs are being considered with our 2nd round pick ??
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 18, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like I'm gonna tell you
You know the universe with absolute certainty. Why can’t you read my mind?
by Rafael Vela on Mar 18, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
myself, i only know the velocity of your mind's constiuents
not their respective positions
by AustonianAggie on Mar 18, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Great Numba Speaks

Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 18, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're tugging on Superman's cape
…spitting in the wind…don’t mess around with
Rafael has been the most informed, best blogger on the Internet for nearly a decade. When he says something, it’s almost always gospel.
You can disagree (and I do occasionally), but never question his integrity. He’s got more skins on the wall than all of us combined.
Res firma mitescere nescit
by Fighter15 on Mar 18, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want Dallas drafting a younger, smaller, cheaper version of Keith Davis either.......
with the addition of Sensi…I no longer place Safety as our biggest need….Still very important, and i’d like two of them, one so called thumper, and one supposedly good in coverage….There are many many coverage FS’s, but very few thumpers, some smallish SS’s that translate to FS, and CB’s that translate to FS in this years draft……Sean Smith, Louis Delmas, and Jarius Byrd in the 2nd….
Maybe Rashad Johnson and D McBath in the 3rd
D Pegues, CJ Spillman, Bradley Fletcher in the 4th-5th…..just to name a few that can be had later…
My personal favorite FS prospect is Chris Clemons of Clemson, who can be had at the top of the 4th round…..A team leader, captain, and QB of their vaunted top ranked defense for the past three seasons….Has the size to work inside,at about 6’0" 207lbs… and the speed to cover any WR in the league, with a timed 4.41 40, and is the fastest of all Safety prospects, and has nearly 300 tackles over a 3 year period..
Everyone is focused on the top round guys, when it’s all said and done, I’m pretty sure this Chris Clemons guy will be as good or better than any Safety taken in round 2…..
In his third year as Clemson’s starting free safety…has made at least one tackle in all 38 games…Clemson has finished in the top 25 in all four major categories in each of the last two years, as he has had a lot to do with that…big reason Clemson has not given up many big plays…has 229 career tackles, more than any other active Tiger and second among active ACC players…has a chance to join just a handful of defensive backs with 300 career tackles..has a 38" vertical jump, fifth-best on the team…has 197 tackles in the last two seasons…has started every game (26) the last two years and has played 38 in a row over three years…has three interceptions and 13 pass breakups in his career…has played over 700 snaps each of the last two seasons…has nine career games with double-figures in tackles, received his degree in community recreation management in August, 2008.
http://clemsontigers.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/clemons_chris00.html
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 18, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
second round focus
With Sensi (he’s only a one year rental) onboard it’s not as big a concearn, but what happens if there’s an early second round run on safeties? Does Jerry step up or hope to land his guy later?
For every players that moves up another comes down. I can’t see leaving Max Unger, Duke Robinson, Phil Loadholt or Jamon Meredith to get the 3rd or 4th best safety at #51
by birdness on Mar 19, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but...
I long for the days Woody roamed the secondary as much as the next guy. Hell, he made Roy Willy look good. He made Larry Brown an elite corner…ok, that’s a stretch.
But I think you’re ignoring Sensabaugh. The dude’s a playmaker that loves to hit and can flat out cover.
True, we need depth, but with Hamlin’s contract and Sensabaugh in a contract/career-saving year, I simply don’t think that this is a “need” area.
Next year’s class is clearly better and we can survive with our current group just fine.
…and don’t bring up injuries, because you could say that about every position save RB & TE.
Res firma mitescere nescit
by Fighter15 on Mar 18, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fighter
They’re looking hard at safeties — NOW. Trust me on this one.
by Rafael Vela on Mar 18, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know I do
And I don’t disagree that Safety (or DB in general) is a priority.
But at 51, I simply don’t think the value is there. We really need help in the trenches.
Res firma mitescere nescit
by Fighter15 on Mar 18, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And if you're both right
That suggests looking at the slightly lower round choices Raf mentioned rather than with the 51 pick. If you’re both right, that’s the perfect solution to me.
Having said that, I would do whatever is reasonably possible to get in the game for Sean Smith. If he starts to drop AT ALL, I would burn up the phone lines.
by StillHateTheGiants on Mar 18, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Raf
Do you have the feeling we are trading up from 51 to get the man we want ? I don’t see any of the elite safeties at 51. Good but not elite.
by oldboysfan on Mar 18, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Jerry doesn't try to move up beyond #40
It all depends on what can’t miss first rounder slides to the top of the second. I would much rather see a move up fron the 3rd ro 4th to get ‘the guy’ instead of burning good picks for the early second round hot prospect.
by birdness on Mar 19, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a Question
On this post, what does it mean when, at the bottom, it reads, 9 comments, 1 recs?
I understand 9 comments, but what in the world does 1 recs mean?
by BishopWest on Mar 18, 2009 2:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You can recommend a post by clicking the REC link
It’s located just below the line that shows how many comments have been made at the bottom of the post.
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by APerfectStar on Mar 18, 2009 2:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
with the front page posts I'm not sure what effect it really has
but with the fanposts that’s how they get on the rec list so they stay visible longer…
by scottmaui on Mar 18, 2009 3:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Patrick Chung is the perfect fit for us and would be real happy to get him at 52.
That’s bad news about Sherrodd Martin shooting up the boards as I had him drafted by us in the forth round in the mock I was doing :( Scouts Inc. has him currently rated as the 121st overall prospect and NFLDraftCountdown doesn’t even have him in their top 150. Guess he’s making quite a leap up.
by Luke. on Mar 18, 2009 6:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Arghh,
actually my mistake, NFLDraftCountdown has him rated as the 76th prospect.
by Luke. on Mar 18, 2009 6:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow things change fast
Just checking Scouts Inc now and it’s was just updated and Sherrod Martin has just moved up to 71 on their list.
by Luke. on Mar 18, 2009 7:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Smith drops to the second
The Cowboys should try to move up. Don’t sell the farm, but give it a good attempt.
There’s no guarantee about next year’s prospects, and it might be tougher to maneuver in the first round next year.
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Mar 18, 2009 6:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No more Roy clones
If we draft Chung I’m gonna vomit
by connery on Mar 18, 2009 6:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why do you think Chung is a Roy clone?
The guy is much smaller than Thong. He brings a big hit, but can cover too. Take another look at the Senior Bowl.
by birdness on Mar 19, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
better to look at his career film.....one week at a all star game doesn't prove anything...
he’s not the best of coverage guys, and lacks any ball hawking skills at all..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 20, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even Belichek says the safety postition is more about coverage nowadays
by connery on Mar 18, 2009 6:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah and Rodney Harrison was his Strong Safety.
Harrison wasn’t great in coverage but he’s smart tough and strong against the run. Safety isn’t just about coverage, look at the first two responsibilities on Raf’s list. Yes a Saftey need to be able to cover but they need to be strong against the run too, that’s why no-one fields 4 CB’s in the base defense.
by Luke. on Mar 18, 2009 6:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Safeties HAVE to tackle
Exactly, Luke. As Raf pointed out, weak safety tackling cost the cowboys vs. Baltimore, and were a huge reason the freaking Rams put up 34. A safety has to be a willing, sure tackler whether he’s a FS or SS. Ken Hamlin use to be that guy, but there’s no question he was soft and hesitant in 2008. Hopefully he finds his aggro again, else that will turn out to be a very poort signing, and he will no doubt be cut this time next year. This team needs young, hungry, aggressive talent at Safety. It’s the #1A priority (#1B=offensive line youth infusion).
by egtuna on Mar 18, 2009 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hammer Hamlin always had a rep as a thumper
I hope he gets it back together this year. I hope he wasn’t playing for a contract in 07 and playing with one in 08?
by birdness on Mar 19, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really like Delmas
and I’ll be rooting for him to be our pick at #51 if still available. I think he has the skill set and production that the Cowboys are looking for.
I think he’s the best safety in the draft as I see Sean Smith more as a CB.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Mar 18, 2009 7:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There's nothing special about Delmas
He could be a quality NFL starter for several years, but he his measurables/production don’t make you say wow. Sean Smith brings a much higher ceiling.
by birdness on Mar 19, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Delmas has great intangibles and is a great leader
and thats what we really need. I really don’t care about his measurables, it’s his production in college I’m more impressed with.
That being said, Smith would also be a great choice but like I said, I see him more as a corner than a safety.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Mar 19, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's go Jerruh!
You’ve got a full clip. Identify your man and go get him! Dictate, don’t wait!
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Mar 18, 2009 7:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
That’s what JJ needs to do. Look at that film and decide which one he thinks is going to be playing safety for the Cowboys for years to come and then go get him. I like Sean Smith but I think he’s going to be out of reach.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
by kameleon_o on Mar 18, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's only out of reach if somebody wants to draft him early
He’s no better than the 3rd or 4th CB prospect, maybe lower. So how many teams need a FS?
by birdness on Mar 19, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need another Free Agent In Secondary
This analysis proves a point; Dallas is woefully undermanned on defense. When you add in the need for DT, ILB and depth at corner to the needs we have at safety, this is frightening. Forget about backup offensive line or third quarterback for a moment, the needs in the secondary are huge. I am wondering if we don’t have another verteran identified somewhere. The idea of Battle and Watkins even making the team ought to sound the alarm bells.
by Iowacowboy on Mar 18, 2009 7:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Battle is a good special teamer so he could have a place on the team
Watkins I’m not impressed with at all after last year.
by scottmaui on Mar 18, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't Watkins make the team last year?
He’s long and fast, just can’t stay with his man or find the ball. That and he tackles with his head between his knees.
by birdness on Mar 19, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another name for the safety "short-list"
Derek Pegues Miss State
All he does is make plays. I know he’s under 5-10 – but then so is Bob Sanders – and who wouldn’t take Sanders if he was available? Too much is made of the tangibles, size and speed – this guy has instincts – how many times have we seen bad angles and bad plays on the ball in the air kill us over the past few years….
He will slide down the lists due to his size – we could pick him up cheap – and I am guessing he will then play with a big chip on his shoulder a la Scandrick and Ratliff
"Where's Woody? - We need another Darren Woodson
by BoyfromOz on Mar 18, 2009 7:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pegues
How dueable is Pegues? Despite Sanders’ talent and zeal, he is ALWAYS hurt. He misses more games than Gilbert Arenas (ok, a bit of a stretch, but you get the idea). I guess you can take a flyer on Pegues if he is available in round6/7 especially if he’s good on special teams, but in the NFC East when you have to tackle Brandon Jacobs and Clinton Portis, size matters.
by egtuna on Mar 18, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pegues has some red flags on his reviews
I don’t think the Cowboys scouts are going to chance it with so many other options available.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Mar 19, 2009 6:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love the post Raf!
The skills that you list are great. I would like to know how the Cowboys consider the “intangibles”? What kind of emphasis to they place on intelligence, film study habits and personal accountability? Or, does Jerry get “Blinded” by the light and look solely at talent? I would rather have a safety that may not be as fast or have 100 int’s but knows what is going on and can recognize the play instantly, than one who is clueless, but has blazing speed and has ok hands that gets by on talent alone.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
by GunsUp on Mar 18, 2009 7:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"Amen" without hats
S-s-s-s A-a-a-a F-f-f-f E-e-e-e T-t-t-t Y-y-y-y
Safe, dance!
We can cover if we want to
We can leave your friends behind
‘Cause your friends don’t tackle and if they don’t tackle
Well they’re no friends of mine
I say, we can run where we want to
A place where they will never find
And we can act like we come from out of this world
Leave the real one far behind
And we can cover
If the Cowboys could only play like a team with passion and unity like my beloved
Boston Celtics, I would be happy.
by Captain Comeback on Mar 18, 2009 8:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just say no...
to Disco.
Res firma mitescere nescit
by Fighter15 on Mar 18, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
btw, thanks a lot
i’ve got this frikin song stuck in my head now lol
by scottmaui on Mar 18, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Captain Comeback
You are a brave man putting that song on THIS blog! I think it’s funny…
Celtics though? hmmm.. Lakers all the way baby..
by torchindefenses on Mar 18, 2009 10:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Celtics will repeat..you heard it here first
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Mar 18, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Romo playing for the Celtics now?
"Where's Woody? - We need another Darren Woodson
by BoyfromOz on Mar 19, 2009 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
been a Celtics fan before Romo was born
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Mar 19, 2009 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Raf if dallas can land smith, do you think they would take the sleeper you mention
as well to try and secure the position or is it better to not put two picks on safety due to next year’s crop?
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Mar 18, 2009 10:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Supposedly this is the newest version of the NFL Draft Trade Chart....found on Florio's web site dated last season..
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/15/teams-circulating-new-trade-chart/
1st Rd 2nd Rd 3rd Rd 4th Rd 5th Rd 6th Rd 7th Rd
1 2,000 33 570 65 265 97 112 129 43 161 27 193 14.2
2 1,900 34 560 66 260 98 108 130 42 162 26.6 194 13.8
3 1,825 35 550 67 255 99 104 131 41 163 26.2 195 13.4
4 1,750 36 540 68 250 100 100 132 40 164 25.8 196 13
5 1,675 37 530 69 245 101 96 133 39.5 165 25.4 197 12.6
6 1,635 38 520 70 240 102 92 134 39 166 25 198 12.2
7 1,570 39 510 71 235 103 88 135 38.5 167 24.6 199 11.8
8 1,505 40 500 72 230 104 86 136 38 168 24.2 200 11.4
9 1,440 41 490 73 225 105 84 137 37.5 169 23.8 201 11
10 1,375 42 480 74 220 106 82 138 37 170 23.4 202 10.6
11 1,320 43 470 75 215 107 80 139 36.5 171 23 203 10.2
12 1,275 44 460 76 210 108 78 140 36 172 22.6 204 9.8
13 1,230 45 450 77 205 109 76 141 35.5 173 22.2 205 9.4
14 1,185 46 440 78 200 110 74 142 35 174 21.8 206 9
15 1,140 47 430 79 195 111 72 143 34.5 175 21.4 207 8.6
16 1,110 48 420 80 190 112 70 144 34 176 21 208 8.2
17 1,070 49 410 81 185 113 68 145 33.5 177 20.6 209 7.8
18 1,040 50 400 82 180 114 66 146 33 178 20.2 210 7.4
19 1,010 51 390 83 175 115 64 147 32.6 179 19.8 211 7
20 980 52 380 84 170 116 62 148 32.2 180 19.4 212 6.6
21 945 53 370 85 165 117 60 149 31.8 181 19 213 6.2
22 920 54 360 86 160 118 58 150 31.4 182 18.6 214 5.8
23 895 55 350 87 155 119 56 151 31 183 18.2 215 5.4
24 870 56 340 88 150 120 54 152 30.6 184 17.8 216 5
25 845 57 330 89 145 121 52 153 30.2 185 17.4 217 4.6
26 820 58 320 90 140 122 50 154 29.8 186 17 218 4.2
27 795 59 310 91 136 123 49 155 29.4 187 16.6 219 3.8
28 770 60 300 92 132 124 48 156 29 188 16.2 220 3.4
29 745 61 292 93 128 125 47 157 28.6 189 15.8 221 3
30 720 62 284 94 124 126 46 158 28.2 190 15.4 222 2.6
31 695 63 276 95 120 127 45 159 27.8 191 15 223 2.3
32 670 64 270 96 116 128 44 160 27.4 192 14.6 224 2
Our picks =
2 #51 = 390
3#69 = 245
4#97 = 112
4#113 = 68
5#148 = 32.2
5#158 = 28.2
6#184 = 17.8
7#193 = 14.2
7#210 = 07.4
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 18, 2009 10:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
this means we could trade #51 and #97 for #40
and get Delmas…do it Jerry, do it!
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Mar 18, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Comparing the Old Chart with the New Chart...
Old Chart
http://www.profootballtalk.com/draft/draft-trade-chart/
New Chart
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/04/15/new-draft-trade-chart/
Every single pick from Round 2 (34) to the bottom of Round 7 is EXACTLY the same as before.
As long as Jerry doesn’t try to move up into the 1st Round, nothing has changed.
by BishopWest on Mar 18, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, but I had not paid much attention to the 1st since Dallas isn't picking there
I’ve been running some trails on what it would cost to move up into the 41-44 range and the numbers on this chart are identical to the old one.
by Rafael Vela on Mar 18, 2009 10:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sherrod Martin - if he can be as reliable mentally as T_new
was his rookie year, then I’d go with him, hoping he could start and be productive because his mind is more settled as a 25 year old – like T_new was. One thing I like about Sherrod Martin they mention in his profiles is his speed. I don’t go in for streaks, but Troy has a good streak of producing good defensived NFL players, at about 1 per year it seems
by AustonianAggie on Mar 18, 2009 11:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think they are definitely looking at Martin
He could be a dynamic FS or a solid option at CB.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Mar 19, 2009 6:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a good looking prospect, but I hate his age and injury history...
25 years old and surgery on both shoulders doesn’t bode well for a guy making a living using his shoulders to tackle..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 19, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good points
I didn’t know he was already 25, add in the injury history and he could drop into the 4th round or later.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
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by APerfectStar on Mar 19, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was a 4th round prospect prior to the combine...now they're talking 3rd round...
i do not want him with our 3rd rounder..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 20, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Draft...
Who else really needs a safety that’s going to pick up some of these guys?
by Big50 on Mar 18, 2009 2:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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