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Size Doesn't Matter -- The Case for Coverage Safeties

I think that the safety position has become more and more of a corner position in the National Football League. There were times when some of the safeties, particularly the strong safeties, fit more almost like linebackers than they did as defensive backs.

I think that’s changed gradually, but now to the point where your [safeties] a lot of times have to cover wide receivers or they have to cover tight ends who are very, very good in the passing game. It’s not guys running 5-yard hook routes, and stuff like that. The tight ends in the league, and it seems like just about every team in the league has one, can get down the field and make athletic and acrobatic catches … I think the demand for that position has changed and I think that’s changed the evaluation a little bit.

-- Bill Belichick

Belichick has a point.  Lets take a look at the safety tandems for all the 2008 playoff teams:

Star-divide

AFC

Strong Safeties (all weights from NFL.com)

  • Jim Leonhard -- Baltimore -- 186 lbs.
  • Bob Sanders - Indy -- 206 lbs.
  • Yeremiah Bell -- Miami -- 205 lbs.
  • Ryan Clark - Pittsburgh -- 205 lbs.
  • Clinton Hart, San Diego -- 207 lbs.
  • Chris Hope - Tennessee -- 208 lbs.
  • Average -- 203 lbs.

Free Safeties

  • Ed Reed -- Baltimore -- 200 lbs.
  • Antoine Bethea - Indy -- 202 lbs.
  • Renaldo Hill -- Miami -- 202 lbs.
  • Troy Polamalu - Pittsburgh -- 207 lbs.
  • Eric Weddle -- San Diego -- 200 lbs.
  • Michael Griffin - Tennessee - 202 lbs.
  • Average -- 202 lbs.

Notice there's practically no difference in overall size between the strong safeties and the frees.  Jim Leonhard, a darling of the blogging crowd here, played at a minuscule 186, dripping wet, with no Creatine to pump him up, and nobody accused the Ravens of being weak up the middle. 

NFC

Strong Safeties

  • Adrian Wilson -- Arizona -- 230 lbs.
  • Lawyer Milloy -- Atlanta -- 216 lbs.
  • Chris Harris -- Carolina -- 205 lbs
  • Darren Sharper -- Minnesota --  210 lbs.
  • James Butler -- N.Y. Giants -- 215 lbs.
  • Quentin Mikel -- Philadelphia -- 206 lbs.
  • Average -- 214 lbs.

Free Safeties

  • Antrell Rolle -- Arizona -- 208 lbs. 
  • Erik Coleman --Atlanta --  206 lbs.
  • Charles Godfrey -- Carolina -- 205 lbs.
  • Madieu Williams -- Minnesota -- 202 lbs
  • Michael Johnson -- N.Y. Giants -- 207 lbs.
  • Brian Dawkins -- Philadelphia -- 210 lbs.
  • Average -- 206 lbs.

As these numbers demonstrate, the king-sized, Roy Williams-type strong safety is almost extinct.  There are only three safeties on this entire list over 210 lbs. and only Adrian Wilson qualifies as a big-time, big-thumper safety.  (Lawyer Milloy did, at one time, but Atlanta is trying to replace him with all deliberate speed.)

More and more teams are going to two quick. all-around types, who can cover and fill on run plays.  Look at Pittsburgh, with the 205 lb. Clark and the 207 lb. Polamalu, or Philadelphia, which moved the 206 lb. Quentin Mikel from corner to SS and reaped the benefits of two safeties with outstanding range.  Mikel and Brian Dawkins let Jim Johnson blitz freely, with full confidence that his backstops would cover up most mistakes up front.

Belichick?  He has the 200 lb. Brandon Meriweather paired with 210 lb. James Sanders.  He just signed the 207 lb. Shawn Springs to provide corner and safety depth.

How does this relate to Dallas?  They have the 208 lb. Ken Hamlin holding down one safety spot.  They have 204 lb. Gerald Sensabaugh, for the moment anyway, penciled in as the other safety.  The Cowboys appear to be adopting the interchangeable-safety model.

When it comes to college safety prospects, don't stereotype a player according to size.  The days of the mini-linebacker strong safety and slighter, center-field type free are done.  That does not mean you should eliminate bigger guys like William Moore and Patrick Chung simply because they're big.  I am saying you should not automatically elevate them according to a SS template that's no longer followed by most teams.  Dallas may draft one of these two, but they'll do so because they're confident he can cover as well as hit.

It's an open field.  Judge the prospects by performance over time and their overall skills.  The team will.

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Wow, de-evolution in size at a position, almost unheard of

these days. Is this attributable to the west coast offense directly (and all of its variations)? This is the part of the game I sadly lack in knowledge, and its why I come here for info. Great post Raf. An angle that I never would have noticed.

by Benthere on Mar 21, 2009 1:23 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No, the creep towards a spread

Lots of teams using three and four WRs as base sets. Think New England with Brady in ’07 and you get the idea.

by Rafael Vela on Mar 21, 2009 1:38 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Man did Brady light us up in 07.

One of the worst defensive efforts by the Cowboys in recent memory.

"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker

by houseofprime on Mar 21, 2009 1:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not true at all

It was a simple mismatch. Dallas got a rush and the defense scored in that game.

But Newman didn’t play, and New England got Wes Welker on Nate Jones. When their number two, and one of the best number twos in the game — gets four quarters against your number four — and a bad one at that — bad things will happen.

by Rafael Vela on Mar 21, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For sure.

I was at that game, it wasn’t an effort thing.

It was a COMPLETE talent mismatch.

Dallas got very good pressure, comparitively to other teams, they Welker just ripped Dallas apart because of mismatches.

Oh and then there was the bomb to Stallworth that Pat Watkins (I believe) looked like he was trying to tackle Brandon Jacobs.

Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.

by AirforceBat on Mar 21, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

U hit it on da nose. I remember when one of our D-linemen or LBs hit Tom Brady...

…and the NE quarterback fumbled and Jason Hatcher picked up the ball and ran it in for a TD. We were actually in the game for awhile before they pulled away in the 4th quarter.

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by silverblue5 on Mar 21, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok let me clarify.

By effort I meant sheer amount of points and yards given up. Watching Nate Jones on Wes Welker was an absolute travesty.

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by houseofprime on Mar 21, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm really not sure what to think of William Moore.

Had a really good junior year followed by a disaster senior year. It seems injuries played a role but Missouri’s defense was awful. He followed that up with a poor senior bowl week but apparently looked good at his pro day. I really hope we end up with Smith, Delmas or Johnson all of whom have good range.

"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker

by houseofprime on Mar 21, 2009 1:57 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I love this kind of post

Great work, Raf

Which DBs in the draft are great cover guys in that same 200-210 lb range?

by BishopWest on Mar 21, 2009 2:02 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Raf, that's what I keep telling the girls too!!!

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by kameleon_o on Mar 21, 2009 2:34 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

An article that totally shifts the conversation about NFL safeties … great stuff.

It will be interesting to see if Scandrick makes the switch. He certainly has the talent. And if so, should conversation about secondary guys be more generic? If there is a quality CB available at 51, would anyone be surprised by the pick? Having 4 lightening-quick coverage guys that know how to tackle would certainly open up the blitzing schemes a bit!

Duane Thomas, Calvin Hill, Dorsett, Herschell, Emmitt ... and now MBIII, Felix, AND Choice!

by DalaiLuke on Mar 21, 2009 3:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Leaves you wondering ...

Why not keep Henry for a safety spot???

Duane Thomas, Calvin Hill, Dorsett, Herschell, Emmitt ... and now MBIII, Felix, AND Choice!

by DalaiLuke on Mar 21, 2009 3:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too fragile, I suppose

I was not opposed to this, but the move should have been made last year or the year before. Instead, we got a bunch of talk, and Henry’s skills at CB kept declining.

Everything's looking up, Milhouse!

by accidental innuendo on Mar 21, 2009 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its a fair question...

After all, Detroit’s talking about possibly using him as a safety. He is, however, aging, declining, and injury prone. I’m not upset we traded him, but as Raf points out, with all the 3 and 4 WR base sets out there, makes you wonder why they didn’t keep him just for depth. The Iggles kept Lito Shepperd as a third corner last year. At least keep Henry through the draft to see who we pick-up, then reevaluate. The lions would have released Kitna anyways.

by Boundforbeach on Mar 21, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stiff hips

If the idea of the post is that safeties are looking more and more like CB’s and Henry was looking less like a CB, well…

you have your answer.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Mar 21, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kitna Was Not A Given

Sure Detroit likely to release Kitna but then we have a bidding war on our hands. Kitna is a nice piece of the puzzle and will be a great pickup for us. Henry was money well spent to make sure we landed Kitna. If not Kitna, I can’t think of another candidate that would have fit with Romo and with our new one WR Roy Williams

by Iowacowboy on Mar 22, 2009 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scandrick is money against the slot..

Who in their right mind would move him to safety? Of course, as you point out Raf, the paradigm is shifting in NFL Safeties but I would leave Scandrick as a CB as Newman is as fragile as they come…

by Keys80 on Mar 21, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OScan would still play slot CB

even if they had tried him at hybrid safety, most likely they would have put on the field as S in 2-WR sets as a way to add flexibility to get their best coverage guys on the field at one time… but sounds like they changed their minds anyway.

by scottmaui on Mar 21, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Get this through your head people....

Henry was great when healthy. But he CANT run anymore.

by THEjarhead on Mar 21, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1000000

Don't believe everything you think.

Your causes are cute!!!

by stoproyce on Mar 21, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm starting to wonder if the Cowboys would truly take a chance on someone like William Moore at 51.

If coverage is the #1 trait that we want from our safety then he would not seem to be the guy based on last season. But the season before he had 8 INT’s and looked like a surefire 1st rounder. Which is the real one??

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by kameleon_o on Mar 21, 2009 4:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If injuries are the reason for his diminished performance

Then we should be grateful that we have the opportunity to draft a top-notch safety at #51

Everything's looking up, Milhouse!

by accidental innuendo on Mar 21, 2009 7:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dang enter button

I was going to add that he’s got the measurables, and he’s passed the eyeball test. Injuries can be overcome, especially when younger, and if he develops like we hope, we might have a steal.

Of course, I’m giving him the benefit of doubt. An equally strong case can be made for not drafting him if you think his senior year is his true valuation.

Everything's looking up, Milhouse!

by accidental innuendo on Mar 21, 2009 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

INT's don't equal coverage safeties...

Mizzou’s D has been putrid the whole time he has been there. Teams had to throw against them because the high-powered Mizzou offense put up so many points. Moore isn’t worth a #51.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Mar 21, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok....i guess he was supposed to take the responsibilities of the other 10 players on D as well ?

your sorta explaining for everyone the deficiencies of their D…..when teams are behind and forced to pass to keep up with them, you are going to have breakdowns, ‘08 Cowboys are a perfect example……Is that the fault of an injured FS ?…or is it absolutely no pass rush ? Or were the CB’s that the FS was covering for blowing their initial assignments ? …Lots of variables….and no answers….just opinions from very little info, or no direct evidence..

Sorta like calling Pittsburgh’s Defense the best in the league, yet they gave up over 350 yards passing to Arizona in the SB…..care to explain that ? Does Troy Polamalu suck too ? nuff said..

You all can have your own favorites all you want, and you can grade them, project them, and love them or hate them………….

My favorite SS is Will Moore…..My favorite FS prospect is Sean Smith…..who’s yours ? or yours ? or yours ?

by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 21, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't like Moore

He’s got Roy Wiliams written all over him.

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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Mar 21, 2009 8:15 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i've been watching film, and i agree about William Moore.

but, the real issues are with Rashad Johnson. RJ is the true RW clone. He has bad technique, and often arrives late at the scene, tackling by a shoe string that won’t be there at the next level. William Moore has more phyiscal tools, which increases his value, if he can be coached up.

i also feel that Louis Delmas has major issues, as well. the first issue being his lack of speed and burst. i’ve seen him miss too many tackles, although i like him better than, RJ. Delmas is like a very, very poor man’s Troy Polamalu. He’s a reckless with his body.

The best safety in this draft is Sean Smith. Naturally, the guy will gone by 51. I’d be most comfortable, then, if the Boys snagged someone like the Macho Man Victor Harris, out of VT. i think his CB game translates well to S.

by falconPUNCH on Mar 21, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shhhh Carl

Don’t let Numba hear you. That’s his boy.

Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.

by AirforceBat on Mar 21, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's a player I covet..I'd prefer we not use our 51 pick on a Safety...I rate Sean Smith - FS over my SS choice Moore btw.....Better value in 3rd-4th rounds.

if you don’t think there is a difference between a SS and a FS… little off base to prescribe that notion..

SS- Will Moore, Pat Chung, Chip Vaughn, David Bruton, Mike Hamlin, Curtis Taylor, Courtney Greene, Otis Wiley, Glover Quin CB

FS- Sean Smith CB, Louis Delmas, J Bryd CB, Rashard Johnson, Darcel McBath, Chris Clemons, CJ Spillman, Keenan Lewis CB

My Overall Safety Order:

Smith
Moore
Delmas
Byrd
Chung
Vaughn
Johnson
McBath
Hamlin
Clemons
Taylor
Greene
Wiley
Spillman
Lewis
Quin

by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 21, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just read your signature, Bat. That's so hilarious, yet true!!! I can't stand Keyshawn.

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by silverblue5 on Mar 21, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gracias

Yeah, I don’t really dislike the guy that much, I just think he’s a huge hyporcrite.

Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.

by AirforceBat on Mar 22, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought Stanback was his boy?

CRN1, you sure have lots of pet projects, dontcha?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Mar 21, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

projects ?

one’s (Stanback) is already securely on the roster – project
other’s not yet property of the Cowboys are called – prospects..

do i need to hold your hand through this proccess ??

;-)

by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 21, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow check this out. Teams who figure to have untouchable passers are New England (Tom Brady), Indianapolis (Peyton Manning), New Orleans (Drew Brees), the New York Giants (Eli Manning), San Diego (Philip Rivers), Pittsburgh (Ben Roethlisberger), Cincinnati (Carson Palmer), Green Bay (Aaron Rodgers), Atlanta (Matt Ryan) and Baltimore (Joe Flacco).

No romo on this list. Posted by: By Mike Klis
The Denver Post

by Football Guy on Mar 21, 2009 9:32 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow.

And you even add rookies to the list? LOL

Hooah.

by .FRoST.USAF on Mar 21, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting

What keeps Romo off that list is that he is under the most pressure to perform next season.

Think about it — how many of the other teams on that list will entertain the thought of replacing their QB in the next draft if he has a(nother) subpar year?

If not that, then Romo absolutely deserves to be on that list.

Everything's looking up, Milhouse!

by accidental innuendo on Mar 21, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guarantee that no matter what happens this season

Jerry will not entertain thoughts of replacing Romo, just ridiculous.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Mar 21, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tebow for what?

Maybe he can slap on 15 pounds and play fullback.
Maybe I am missing your sarcasm?

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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Mar 22, 2009 1:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

His arm is only okay,

and he has the slowest, longest windup delivery this side of Hideo Nomo.

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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Mar 22, 2009 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tebow's a winner....a leader....and a damn good football player..

I’ll take my chances he’ll get the pass off in time……and I’m sure he can make every throw possible..

by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 22, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Tebow...

but I don’t think he’s that good of a passer.

I think he’s a good football player and I think you can do alot of different things with him but I don’t know if you want him as your every down QB.

I also think that his legs will be way less effective in the pros, and he won’t be running over NFL linebackers quite as much.

I think that he’s a utility player that you can do alot with, maybe an H-Back and specialty QB, but his game relies on alot of getting the ball to one of his blazing fast receivers and letting them get yards after the catch.

Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.

by AirforceBat on Mar 22, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vick..

Has won more playoff games than Romo.

~Texas Massacre 08~

by TheHeat on Mar 23, 2009 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

so what, he still sucks

and he didn’t win any BTW, the Falcons did.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Mar 23, 2009 7:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

so predictable.....lol.....

I’m not a Vick fan, but he had a pretty big hand in them getting to the Super Bowl. This flip-flopping is actually quite humorous “QB’s don’t win games-teams do”. Ha Ha, except for Romo

by texstar on Mar 23, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vick never played in the SB

The Falcons only SB appearance, in SB XXXIII against the Broncos, Chris Chandler was the qb. Vick was drafted a few years later.

BTW, I don’t flip flop, I never once said Romo wins games.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Mar 23, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are correct.....

Vick wasn’t in the Super Bowl. You do flip flop on Romo but let’s not argue that.

by texstar on Mar 23, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Mar 23, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can't say that for sure...

But I personally don’t think he will.

He’ll have a place in the NFL, but he does have a very long delivery and I don’t think he can throw a ball into small windows.

I hope I’m wrong, because I think he’s a good dude. (Not the second coming like ESPN makes it sound, but a good guy anyways.)

Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.

by AirforceBat on Mar 22, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right

Safety is a real need . I’ld like to draft 2 this year. The choices are certainly not great. the cb class looks stronger. Any that you see there that jumps out as possible answers Raf?

by oldboysfan on Mar 21, 2009 9:37 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

safety--- definition

safe·ty (sft)
n. pl. safe·ties
1. The condition of being safe; freedom from danger, risk, or injury.

I havent felt any sort of “safety” since darren woodson, and thats clearly no secret to anyone. it needs to be addressed as soon as possible, and think that could have been solved with dawn landry, from the ravens, i would have nabbed him in a second… I loved him in college and think his skill set hasnt been fully utilized at the nfl level yet.. i seriously hope we do somthing STAT

by missingthe90s on Mar 21, 2009 10:26 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Woody got burned too

It’s been since Brock Marion that we had the deep middle well covered.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Mar 21, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Woody>2004-present

I’d take one for the team and give BOTH testicals to have Darren Woodson back in uniform…

Woody had his moments of confusion but even the all mighty ed reed does as well…. all im saying, is that every since DW, we have gotten our ass’s handed to us via coverage and more recently even with poor tackling..

Darren never gave up plays with regularity, in fact he made them with regularity, thus, allowing single demensioned players such as roy williams to flurish while covering flaws

by missingthe90s on Mar 21, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boy would that change your name

from missingthe90s to missing something else.

by Benthere on Mar 21, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe he refers to his boys as "the 90's"

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by BigDinSC on Mar 23, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It seems to me safety would be a relatively easy position to fill

The guy has to be able to cover, but doesn’t have to be quite as good at it as a CB. So that should mean there would be a large group of players who aren’t quite good enough to be NFL cb’s. Have to be able to support the run, but not quite as strong as a LB. On top of that, every team really only needs 2, so there isn’t that much “demand”. Teams need 4-5 CB’s and 6-8 LB’s. I just don’t get why good safetys are so hard to find. My football playing days ended many years ago just a couple of years out of HS. Can someone explain what I’m missing?

by StillHateTheGiants on Mar 21, 2009 10:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

heres an analogy for you….

Its like finding the perfect girl, one who comes from wealth and will allow you to have a night out with the guys. You want a girl intelligant enough to be able to withstand a ten minute conversation unlike a certain quarterbacks girlfriend. That same girl has to be able to look like megan fox after waking up the next morning from a hardcore night of partying. The perfect girl buys you season tickets to the cowboys games on your birthday, and comes with you and cracks open a coors light with you, paints her face up blue and sivler, and acts like a moron the entire game (gettign more into it then even you)..

That my friend is what its like finding the perfect safety.. just not all that easy to find the right mix of brains, braun, physcial attributes, leadership, and chemistry.

Ed Reed happens to be the Ravens perfect girlfriend

by missingthe90s on Mar 21, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus, I hear Ed Reed puts out on the first date

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by kameleon_o on Mar 21, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Polamalu has the hair for it

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by 5Blings on Mar 21, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

roy williams

sounds like a girl…..

"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips

by MrMinority on Mar 21, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reed is great but...

There was a time a few years ago when Rex Ryan wanted to get rid of him because he refuses to stick to the script. Ed Reed will abandon coverage, and hang guys out to dry looking for picks. He’s a big reason Samari Rolle has fallen off. Rolle was passing guys off to the safety and the safety wasn’t home.

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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Mar 21, 2009 12:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

GD, that being said, can you imagine with all the media coverage in Dallas........

how that would have played out? I can hear the backlash coming-LOL

by texstar on Mar 21, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know what they say ...

plagiarism … ooops … imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

by GalTex on Mar 21, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Swagger jackers!!

At it again.

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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Mar 21, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You guys laugh but i think it is sickening...

how unoriginal they are on that blog, anyway great article makes me think Roy just had bad luck the game changed on him and he couldn’t adapt.

by MdFan24 on Mar 21, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have they no shame?

Of course they don’t. Just follow the themes of this blog and you’re guaranteed to see Timmy Tabloid and Jean-Jock-Sniffer try to pass the thread off as their own.

Proof positive that they’re still mediots.

Res firma mitescere nescit

by Fighter15 on Mar 21, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol...nice..
Jean-Jock-Sniffer

I can’t stand that punk.

by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 21, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the funny thing about that nickname?

the players started it back in the ’90s.

by Rafael Vela on Mar 21, 2009 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Adrian Wilson is a Hammer!

He is probably the only prototypical BIG SS that can cover and hit. I wish Roy was still like that; he would still be on the team intimidating receivers.

by beautifultyrant on Mar 21, 2009 1:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

this is even more proof that Delmas

should be our target at #51 if he’s still there, he and Smith are the only safeties in the draft that can tackle and cover equally as well.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Mar 21, 2009 2:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

NFLDraftScout.com report

Positives:

Good height and great length for a boundary corner. … Very quick feet for his size. … Runs well with taller receivers down the sideline, but also lines up in the slot. … Former receiver has great ball skills and the vertical to go up and get the ball. … Able to locate and high-point in coverage. … Elusive runner with some vision to flip field position after the interception. … Forces fumbles by using his length to get a hand on the ball. … Has the size and closing speed to be an effective blitzer. … Very quick to support the run or attack quick screens and passes in the flat. … Reacts quickly on plays in front of him and finds the ball well in the air.

<——- These are the traits I like and look for in a ballhawking certerfield FS.

Negatives:

Might be seen as a corner/safety “tweener.” … Stiff in the upper body. … Does not play with the physicality scouts would like given his size. … Is slow to adjust when backpedaling if a receiver cuts his route short or goes to the skinny post. … Catch-and-drag tackler whose height is a disadvantage when trying to bring down ballcarriers with a low center of gravity. … Inconsistent using his hands at the line of scrimmage. … Gets stuck on blocks

<——-reasons why I see him being a better FS than CB….

Takes poor angles to make tackles in space or when attacking a screen. … Just a little more than two years of experience on defense. … Cocky and talks trash.

<——- reasons that scare me using our first pick on the guy.

I would love to get him, and others I like as well in : Moore, Byrd, and Delmas at #51….but I still contend our best value at Safety is early to late in round 3, and we can get there by trading down with our 3rd rounder, or up with our top 4th pick……..

by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 21, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

need

Don't believe everything you think.

Your causes are cute!!!

by stoproyce on Mar 21, 2009 3:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well Raf the site just got the recognition for the same content subject, and with that

you get your hat tip, great write up Rafeal.

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Mar 21, 2009 5:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I posted something too.

The only other one was a post by Lunging Wolf that mentioned Raf. I’ll see how long these comments last.

There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.

by kameleon_o on Mar 21, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

next time

get screen shots of your comments, before and after.

and there will be a next time.

by Rafael Vela on Mar 22, 2009 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just took screenshots of the four comments that were still there that mentioned

plagiarism. We’ll see if they get rid of them. Wonder why they only got rid of stoproyce’s?? There’s absolutely nothing that he could say that would qualify his comment to be scrubbed like that. They had one post mentioning a gerbil sized pen** and crap like that but they get rid of a comment calling them out?? Jerkoffs…

There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.

by kameleon_o on Mar 22, 2009 4:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Grizz, Raf what would you guys think of an offer from DMN that had content sharing

would you be interested in that type of offer?

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Mar 21, 2009 5:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No,

they want content sharing, they need to buy the stories.

They pay those turkeys on their staff. If they’re going to “share” content, they’re going to share money too.

by Rafael Vela on Mar 21, 2009 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

here here, Raf why let them get paid for YOUR genius…

by SmittyCityMo on Mar 22, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

DMN threw a link on there to BTB.

Not sure thats enough if BTB wants to push the issue. Thats not the first time they’ve reached into the information highway to find a post.

by THEjarhead on Mar 21, 2009 7:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Size does matter

Else ExTenZe would go out of business.

I promise, guys, I’m not trying to be a contrarian. I also tire of quoting BP, but he seems to have solid theories. To paraphrase:

I’d rather have a big athlete than a smaller one

If you have the choice between two equals, go with the big guy. The list shown has two outstanding small players, Sanders, and Reed and one big guy (Wilson) and two tweeners that lean toward the bigger side (Polomalu, Dawkins) and two more that while not outstanding are very good safeties (Butler, Malloy).

Each of the bigger guys is 6’+ and has the nasty disosition of the Roy Willy-type hitter in run support. Hell, even the small guys have that trait. It’s just that the little guys can’t hold up. Sanders is constantly hurt and even Reed has started to wear down.

Nevertheless, the underlying premise that the safetyposition has changed is a truism. No longer can either of the spots be manned with someone who can’t cover.

The ideal is Darren Woodson. A big, physical safety that can cover and support the run equally…and at a Hall of Fame level at each.

So until I see another Woodson (whom I believe would have been Washington’s Sean Taylor had he not died), I’ll still hold out hope that Woody’s specs are still obtainable.

Res firma mitescere nescit

by Fighter15 on Mar 21, 2009 8:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

“I’d rather have a big athlete than a smaller one”

I think this qualifies as a “no kidding” statement. Of course, given a choice of two athletes with equal skill, you take the bigger one. But that isn’t the point. There aren’t a dozen Darren Woodson’s in every draft, that’s why people are taking smaller players - because they value the coverage skills more than the run stopping skills and the bigger ones haw trouble covering. I suspect that’s because, if they can catch, cover, and have speed, they aren’t playing safety, they’re playing reciever.

The problem is you need two of them because the smaller guys get hurt tackling the 260lb RBs (Polalmalu, Reed, Dawkins, Sanders are all hurt a good bit). This is why playing Scandrick at FS is not a good idea, regardless of his coverage skills.

E Tan! E Epi Tan!

by Bill in DC on Mar 22, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Darren Woodson....ideal size/power/speed ratio...

Will Moore and & Chip Vaughn are the closest in that regards since the late great Sean Taylor – Washington….the real prototype for which all Safeties should be rated..

by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 21, 2009 11:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Let's not apply the Tupac rule to Sean Taylor.

Im not trying to be insensitive here but it seems like people’s legends tend to grow after they die.

Tupac is one of the most overrated rappers of all time, and Sean Taylor’s brain lapses in coverage have all of a sudden been forgotten. Sean Taylor was a freelancer and pretty shaky in coverage. He would knock you out on a consistent basis though.

Draft Day Rules: Rule #4: If Bill Parcells calls, just hang up. Because whatever he want's to talk about ain't gonna be good for you.

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Mar 22, 2009 1:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but Taylor was putting it together when he died

Joyner told me Taylor was having the best statistical season he had ever recorded. The guy had figured it out in coverage. Chris Horton is a very good replacement but Taylor was going to be a Roy Williams sized hammer with Darren Woodson’s game.

by Rafael Vela on Mar 22, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Will Moore is going to be drafted by the Eagles to replace Dawkins, probably with their 2nd 1st rd pick #28. They recently had a private workout with Moore and the Coaches had dinner with the guy.

E Tan! E Epi Tan!

by Bill in DC on Mar 22, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That doesn't mean much.

That’s pretty much protocol.

Draft Day Rules: Rule #4: If Bill Parcells calls, just hang up. Because whatever he want's to talk about ain't gonna be good for you.

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Mar 22, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah that doesn't mean anything...

Plus if they are picking Moore with the first round pick, I think thats a HUGE reach.

Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.

by AirforceBat on Mar 22, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well he's not a consesus...

first rounder this year.

Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.

by AirforceBat on Mar 22, 2009 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oooohh

Delmas dropped a 12 spot on the Wonderlic.

I don’t think it matters much though.

Draft Day Rules: Rule #4: If Bill Parcells calls, just hang up. Because whatever he want's to talk about ain't gonna be good for you.

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Mar 22, 2009 2:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

and Dan Marino scored a 13. Big deal

I wrote on this a long time ago.

The Wonderlic was developed in the ‘50s. It was designed for office workers. It doesn’t measure football intelligence.

Teams need to get cognitive psychologists to design tests to measure spatial intelligence and accuracy of quick, either/or decisions. The Wonderlic measure mathematical and verbal intelligence, some trivia and some logic.

There is no direct correlation between guys who score well on the test and good performance and guys who score poorly and bad perforance.

It’s a stupid test and should be junked. What’s more, every year guys who score poorly get their scores leaked and the teams which draft them get slammed because they’re supposedly dummies.

by Rafael Vela on Mar 22, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Mar 22, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe, but not enough

Look at player scores and player performances over the years.

There’s NO correlation between Wondlic scores and play. It has no value as a predictor of future
performance.

And isn’t that why teams give it? Why measure something that won’t help you pick effective
players? Isn’t that the point?

by Rafael Vela on Mar 22, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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