Cowboys Draft 2009: Is O-line the Most Pressing Need?
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Mar 21, 2009 5:43 PM CDT
in Dallas Cowboys General
Email
PrintThe Dallas Cowboys' front office has done an admirable job of acquiring low-cost free agents to plug holes on the defensive side of the ball. The offense is virtually etched in stone as far as starters are concerned. However, as you comb through the Cowboys offensive lineup one thing jumps out at you. There is zero depth on this offensive line.
Here is the Dallas Cowboys offensive line as it stands today:
Starters:
Flozell Adams (LT)
Kyle Kosier (LG)
Andre Gurode (C)
Leonard Davis (RG)
Marc Colombo (RT)
Reserves/Camp Bodies:
Matt Spanos (C)
Cory Proctor (G/C)
Montrae Holland (G)
Ryan Gibbons (G)
Doug Free (T)
Pat McQuistan (T)
Outside of a an in-shape Montrae Holland (cross your fingers) there is not anything better than a warm body among the offensive line backups. At this point we know very little about the capabilities of Free or McQuistan. All we know is that when Kosier first got hurt, the team felt it was worth it to send a future 5th round pick to Denver to acquire Holland, rather than plug in either Free or McQuistan at guard. We also know that the team felt better sending Flozell Adams out to battle with one good wing than it did the prospects of starting either Free or McQuistan at left tackle. Spanos and Gibbons are camp bodies, and do I really have to say anything about Proctor? As it stands, this team is one offensive line injury away from being in precisely the same quandary it was in last season. The confusion, the sacks, the constant pressure, the turnovers, the penalties. Continuity is key as far as an offensive line is concerned. When continuity is compromised by injury, it sure doesn’t hurt to plug in a new guy who can hold his own. The entire left side of the line was hamstrung by the injury to Kosier. Continuity and communication were lost. Furthermore, Adams and Gurode were saddled with the burden of trying to cover for Proctor’s inadequacies. Even in the instances when Proctor held his ground, Adams seemed to play as if he was watching Proctor out of the corner of his eye.
With all the talk of landing a new safety or nose tackle, it seems we have overlooked the Cowboys’ most glaring deficiency. Skim through the Cowboys roster and you will find that offensive line is the position with the least depth. The Cowboys have other needs, but you have to believe that if there is a Duke Robinson or Herman Johnson sitting there at #51 the Cowboys will pounce. Don’t be surprised if the Cowboys go o-line early in this year’s draft.
195 comments
|
1 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
I hope
we pay attention to the o-line. It seems the team might be setting up a pretty good running attack that won’t be able to go anywhere without some good help up front. Protecting Romo should just go without saying…….
Amazing
that our O-line backups are so inadequate.
Come and whisper in my ear, give us dirty laundry - ESPN
OL backups are an extreme need
our current backups really suck, they need replaced.
Also, you can say the same thing about all our defensive backups as well.
In Romo we Trust
The depth of this team at
OL, LB, NT and S is paper thin.
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Mar 21, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Well
we have depth the problem is we need QUALITY depth
by nicholas.rodriguez on Mar 22, 2009 2:16 AM CDT up reply actions
I hear
the name Robinson being mentioned often, but I also hear the words lazy and character issues. Is that just overblown. We need LG, LT and C to fill holes down the road. I look to get two out of this draft. Robinson would be good if the other stuff is bull.
Really?
I haven’t heard any of those things about Duke Robinson and I live in OKC.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 22, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks Afb
I think it was a talk show and pro football weekly. But, You know silly season, trust nothing you hear and only 1/2 of what you know.
he does lose focus, and slip on occasion, using shere raw ability to overcome his occasional time off.....
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 22, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not doubting it...
I just haven’t heard alot about it.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
here...
Work Habits: Robinson needs to have his offseason program monitored, as he does not show great work ethic (tends to get soft and overweight when not playing ball). He must keep his weight in check, as he has speed and stamina issues when he weighs more than 340 pounds (has ballooned to 380-plus pounds in the past). He will never be known as a great practice player and needs a “kick in the pants” every now and then (inability to follow team rules led to him being benched for the 2008 Chattanooga game and suspended for part of the Texas Christian contest). GRADE: 5.3
here’s the rsst of an extensive scouting report….::
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1263331
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 22, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I believe you dude...
really wasn’t necessary.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 22, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
So at #51, when we're on the clock
I think you kinda have to see what’s available at that point; whether you go S, NT, or OL. The trick is to see which good player is falling out of the 1st Round into the 2nd, and ask yourself the question, “Is he worth trading up for?”
Regardless of who we get 2nd, 3rd, or 4th Round, etc. I will be disappointed if we don’t come away with help at all three of those positions: S, NT, and OL – not necessarily in that order.
once JJ said that we paid dearly for inability to draft successfully at OL, and
it seems to me we keep doing this in more ways than other. He was refering to the fat contracts he shelled left and right on FA OL, but how about looking at another angle, if 08 version of the cowboys had lets say 11 and 5 or even the worst 10 and 6 record and goes in to the playoffs it sure seems to me that a certain WR will not be in Canada and still count 9 mil against the cap, or how about a terrific RB trio that cant make it past the LS. If we are to loose a OL like last year for prolonged period of time and consequently dont make the playoffs, who do we cut RW or MBIII?
Can we please have one discussion
Withoput turning it into another friggin T.O. pity/bash party. PLEASE!!!!!
I hate this post...
…because it’s so true. If one of those starters goes down the whole offense changes. We don’t have the same strong running game, we have to leave a back or TE in to block – aaggg.
We need some back ups bad.
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
the dilemma is (or the problem),
can you realistically expect a second or third rounder to contribute in his rookie season, because I dont see any alternatives via FA, on top of our salary cap situation
I think on the o-line you can absolutely
get production out of a 2nd rounder.
Draft Day Rules: Rule #4: If Bill Parcells calls, just hang up. Because whatever he want's to talk about ain't gonna be good for you.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Mar 21, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Wasn't Larry Allen a second rounder?
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
if LA was the last second rounder we hit from the draft,
we are in a dire straits LOL
Have you forgotten about me
Regards,
Jacob Rogers, Rose Bowl Champion
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Mar 21, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Keep moving along..............
there’s nothing to see here
by StillHateTheGiants on Mar 21, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I've been touting OL in round 2 the whole time...Safety in the 3rd-4th, NT in the 3rd-7th, LB in the 3rd- 5th, CB 3rd - 5th
Possible OL available and worthy our 51st pick, rankings by NFLDraftScout.com :
^ – may go higher than ranked
= – about where they should come off the board.
Eben Britton – OT/OG – ranked 29th overall – 5th best OT =^
Alex Mack – OC/OG – ranked 35th overall – 1st ranked OC ^
Max Unger-OT/OG/OC – ranked 43nd overall – 2nd best OC ^
William Beatty – OT – ranked 44th overall – 6th best OT ^
Eric Wood – OC/OG – ranked 45th overall – 3rd best OC =
Duke Robinson – OG/RT – ranked 53rd overall – 1st ranked OG ^
Jamon Meredith – OT – ranked 61st overall – 7th best OT =
Herm Johnson – OG – ranked 65th overall – 2nd best OG ^
Phil Loadholt – OG/RT – ranked 66th overall – 8th best OT =
Kraig Urbik – OG/OT – ranked 75th overall – 3rd best OG =
Jonathan Luigs – OC/OG – ranked 79th overall – 4th best OC =
Andy Levitrie – OG/OT – ranked 84th overall – 4th best OG =
Gerald Cadogan – OT – ranked 88th overall – 9th best OT =
Troy Kropog – OT/OG – ranked 97th overall – 10th best OT =
Ant Caldwell – OC/OG – ranked 101st overall – 5th best OC ^
Trevor Canfield – OG/RT – ranked 104th overall – 5th best OG ^
The fact is we NEED quality Offensive Linemen….MORE than any other position on the team. With no OL depth, we are essentially giving up the season if a starter goes down…It’s equivalent to having Brad Johnson as our reserve QB again…Do we really want that ??
I am sure there were a few exceptions I left off this list rated slightly below these guys…like Fenuki Tupou – OT and TJ Lang – OT
We NEED to draft one (preferably two) of the Offensive Linemen listed above….I would not venture off this list….After these guys, it’s a complete crap shoot…..I’d prefer we don’t draft a lineman at all, if he’s not on this list. If they draft a OL later in the draft, AFTER one of these guys, that’ll be cool. BUT
If one of these listed players isn’t drafted by Jerry & Company…I’ll consider this draft a complete failure…regardless of what else is chosen…
This is the most vital unit on a football team, and we’ve been grossly incompentant when it comes to drafting, replenishing, and grooming home grown, Valley Ranch fed USDA BEEF…..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 21, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
From that list...
I like Herm Johnson and Ant Caldwelll alot….Another guy that I wouldn’t mind getting is Xavier Fulton… he has only played LT for 2 years, came in as a Dline and has the frame to put more strength in him…He also has quick feet to handle speed rushers
by nicholas.rodriguez on Mar 22, 2009 2:20 AM CDT up reply actions
What's important are the deltas
How much ‘better’ is Duke Robinson than Herm Johnson or Kraig Urbik. It’s a lot easier to move up from the top of the 3rd to grab a sliding Loadholt then to step up for Duke in the mid second. How could a OG would Loadholt be if he wasn’t a RT?
Is Proctor that much better as a center?
Considering we tendered him at a 2nd rounder I hope he’s WAAAAY better as a center than he is at guard.
Let's hope we never have to see him starting again at either position
Can you imagine him trying to block Haynesworth? (cold chill up the spine)
Having said that, if any other teams are reading this, that Proctor kid has a lot of potential and would be worth your 2nd round pick.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Mar 21, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions
dude, don't be tipping off other team's scouts
not right
Tar Heels started this college Bball season with one goal in mind - that loss to Kansas in last year's final 4 will make this team all bid-ness!
I'm on board thinking safety is the biggest need for this team
and am hoping we snag a good one, but if someone like Duke Robinson is on the board at #51 then you better believe I’m for snagging the guy. We need to stop the influx of FA O-linemen to this team and start developing our own.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
My Dream Mock Carl is to...
Get Duke Robinson with our 2nd rd pick, then go after safety in the 3rd, and in the 4th rd get Dorell Scott, then the next pick would be reciever (hopefully Jarrett Dillard), then get that kid from Fla that’s a CB/PR/KR- what’s his name?
Would you be happy with a scenario like that Glory, and if you are, what safety do you think we get in the 3rd (I want Darcel McBath personally) but maybe you have a better suggestion?
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
I like that scenario.
I think if we pass on a safety in round 2, we might still have a shot at David Bruton from Notre Dame. I love Dillard by the way.
And I think the guy you are thinking of is Joe Burnett from Central Florida.
Draft Day Rules: Rule #4: If Bill Parcells calls, just hang up. Because whatever he want's to talk about ain't gonna be good for you.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Mar 21, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions
For WR...
I want Deon Butler, safety can be gotten in later rounds even though I like Chung alot… But all our Oline is at least 30 so its time to start grooming
by nicholas.rodriguez on Mar 22, 2009 2:22 AM CDT up reply actions
btw are FA's bonuses in the same predicament as Draftees bonuses, if
they don’t make the 53 men roster, to escalate against the cap this season?
OL not being drafted at #51..no way..
Safety, CB or WR will be taken there. I wouldn’t count out moving up in the top of the 2nd or bottom of the 1st if there is a player we really like.
We Should Have Signed a FA O-Lineman
There were some decent players available this year; my favorite would have been the Ravens’ center . . . or the Vikings center . . . this would have given us instant depth and given us an alternative to the no good snaps by Gurode.
Birk wasnt gonna sign on to be a backup
Draft Day Rules: Rule #4: If Bill Parcells calls, just hang up. Because whatever he want's to talk about ain't gonna be good for you.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Mar 21, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Birk Could Have Extended His Career
Birk has had some injury concerns; but I would have given him a chance to start and let Gurode contend with Kosier and Holland at LG; if Flo were to go down, we could move Bigg to LT and then had our choice of Holland, Gurode at RG. Just saying that a free agent center would have given us the most depth, and given us a chance to upgrade our center snapping ability.
neither was the Ravens guy...heck, he signed for about as much as Gurode..
Mike Goff of San Diego is still available….top FA OG out there..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 21, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Wonder if Pace could play LG?? LOL
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
I was thinking that earlier....I haven't seen him play in a few years...not sure what he's got left....
started 14 games last year though……i’m gonna look into that bum knee of his…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 21, 2009 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I saw somewhere that the Ravens were looking at Pace.....
for right tackle.
exactly....I will puke if we blow the #51 pick on a lineman
Drafting rookie lineman hasn’t worked out for us in years…acquiring quality OL like we did with Holland is the key. I understand the need to draft a lineman, but not at #51. We have more pressing needs like safety, ILB and WR. There are always guys through FA or trade if we need one. Any rookie we draft will be on the sideline for 1 to 2 years. We need impact players this year.
lmao...impact player in the 2nd ? at ILB ? a S ? WR ? Who ?
We need impact players this year.
there isn’t anyone we draft this year in the 2nd round that will make an impact or start….how many 1st -2nd rounders do we need to draft for people to realize our starters are in place, and there aren’t any positions that would be upgraded in this draft ….Carp, Spencer, Jenkins, Jones, Burnett, Bennett, etc. etc. etc…….Delmas wouldn’t start here day 1….there are no ILB’s worthy of pick 51…..and WR is NOT a need at #51 when we got 5 incumbant WR’s, and 3+ camp guys signed up already on the roster ?
Any rookie we draft will be on the sideline for 1 to 2 years
This is the most reasonable sentence in that comment……regardless of position..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 22, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
You want to draft a OL with the 2nd pick, especially with our history of drafting OL.....nope, i'll pass..
Get one in the 3rd and 4th rounds as a developmental player. I would rather draft a safety or WR that can contribute right away, if only on special teams. Screw the drafting of a OL high in the draft. It hasn’t worked in years and would be a waste……
I think history...
Is overrated when it comes to a clubs draft history.
I mean if a stud falls to you in the second round and he’s highly rated do you go,
“Nah we’ve sucked in the past so we’re not going to draft anymore.”
You get better at scouting O-lineman, you don’t just give up.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
there are no stud guards this year..not worthy of a 2nd round pick anyway.
Jerry is moving up from the #51 pick to land a safety, WR or CB….
Britton, Beatty, Robinson, Mack, Unger, Wood, Meredith, Johnson, Loadholt, Urbik, Caldwell, Luigs, Lavetrie = stud linemen
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 22, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I'm not exactly sure how Robinson doesn't qualify as a stud lineman??
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
If he is a stud than he will be long gone before #51
probably top of the first or early 2nd…….pass…can get a quality one in the 3rd and 4th rounds…we have more important needs.
No...
that doesn’t necessarily mean anything. Guards just usually don’t go real high.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 22, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
huh ?
If he is a stud than he will be long gone before #51 probably top of the first or early 2nd
more than likely , that’s exactly where he’ll go..
that’s exactly why if he slips to 51,. he becomes a steal, and a very good value pick.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 24, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
+1 Bat....
If we go by past drafts…..we should not draft any OL ever again….that’s rational thinking right there…..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 22, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions
sorry man, just not a fan of selecting lineman that early and I think Wade and Jerry will pass on taking one that high also.
there is nothing wrong with rolling with Kosier and Holland this season.
Except they are coming of injury and Kosier is over 30. I don't understand the argument
You draft the BPA and the area the Cowboys pick in the second round is ripe with interior lineman that are rated at the top of the field.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Mar 22, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Peterman and Rogers come to mind thats why.....
If your looking to add immiediate help,drafting a rookie is not the answer. Acquiring a vet via FA or trade is the way to go like we did with Holland. 30 for a guard is nothing…..He has 3 to 5 good years left
Why are you getting hung up on those picks
Those guys were not the highest rated picks coming out, and I think BP ignored the injury history on Rogers. But that’s not the point anyway.
It doesn’t matter if the pick is able to win the starters job right away precisely because they do have Kosier and Holland. But are those the guys you want starting the next 5 years? I’m not looking just at what they can immediately contribute, I’m looking at long term stability.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Mar 22, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Bingo
Thats the point Perfect, you’re looking for stability for the future, not just now now now.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 22, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
This immediate satisfaction needs to stop.....If your a team like the Cowboys, that are loaded with talented starters across the board...very few, if ANY rookies are being looked at to become major parts of your team on Day 1...
The only starting jobs that even have a chance of being filled by a rookie LG, ILB, FB, and SS, and that would be a complete shock if any of this years crop are better than Kosier, Brooking, Sensabaugh, and Anderson…especially without a 1st round selection.
Just because Safety is perceived by some as our biggest need, DOES not mean it needs to be your first pick, as there are several really good ones available in rounds 3-4…But if we grab a Safety, I have no problem with it…I .just see better value in round 3.
Same goes for NT….There is only 1 NT with a 2nd round grade, and that’s Brace…who is a major question mark, if you asked me..
Same goes for ILB, There is a good chance NO LB will be available to us that is graded out as a 2nd rounder, unless Barwin or Sintim drop…which I highly doubt..
Mack, Britton, Beatty, Unger, Wood, Robinson are rated higher than any ILB or Safety we may have available for the choosing.
Forget about this 2nd round on a WR…..That alone would be the dumbest possible move, with little or no chance of seeing rewards for the pick.
DL ?? Hood or Gilbert…only worthy DL’s available in round 2….IF they even drop that far..which i doubt..
Just go with the highest rated player, regardless of position…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 23, 2009 6:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
The only highest rated player I wouldn’t go with would be either a QB,HB, or TE.
You don’t need a TE,HB and you don’t need to pick a QB that high to develop.
but there isn’t a single other position that I’d be like OH NO.
I’m not really for drafting a WR in the second either, but if like someone just fell ridiculously low that has great value I’d even pick them.
BUT I think it would have to be a Percy Harvin like guy, someone that offers a different set of skills then the guys currently on your roster.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
Point is we don't need to use a second round pick on a guard..
There are quality ones in the later rounds. Were not selecting a guard with the second round pick, just not happening. I don’t know why you guys are so hung up on taking a guard when it’s not the most glaring need on this team right now.
"It's not happening"
Wow I didn’t know that you worked on the staff of the Dallas Cowboys.
It might not happen but it could happen.
“glaring need”… really? Because I think Cory Proctor just got pushed back into my back yard.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 23, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
We need O-linemen. We need a NT. We need a LB. A safety. Or two. A CB would be nice. Even a developmental prospect as a 3-4 DE wouldn’t be too shabby. We’ve got so many positions that we could go in ALL the rounds that like you said, unless we snagged a RB, QB, or TE early I’ll be pretty happy with whatever position they go. Now, I might bi*** about the player they select. But that’s a different story.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
exactly
I got news for Boyz, if the best player available at 51 is a guard, we’re selecting a guard, it that simple.
In Romo we Trust
+1 Terry....
If Delmas, Smith, Moore, and Chung are gone at 51…you can count out S in round 2.
( very good possibility)
If Sintim, and Barwin are gone by 51, you can count out LB in round 2.
( very good possibility)
If Hood, Gilbert, and Brace are gone by 51, you can count out DL in round 2.
(very good possibility)
If Harvin, Heyward Bey, Robiskie, Hicks, Britt are gone by 51, count out WR in round 2.
(very good possibility)
If CB’s Smith, Moore, and Bryd are gone by 51, you can count out CB in round 2.
(Byrd might be there- i’d take him)
If OC’s Mack, Unger, and Wood are there at 51, you can count on them being considered
If OG’s Robinson, or Johnson are there at 51, you can count on them being considered.
If OT’s Beatty, Meredith, and Loadholt are there at 51, count on them being considered.
IF ALL these players are gone at 51….We need to trade down…..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 24, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
We have 11 friggin draft picks...who cares where we draft a OG, S, LB ,WR ...
every glaring need your talking about is DEPTH….we have 22 starters locked in…not going to change…
You keep mentioning OG, not sexy enough ??…..How bout a all star OCenter that also can play OGuard……I think that versatility alone makes an OL more important than any other position.
2nd -
Mack
Unger
Wood
3rd-
Caldwell
Luigs
Lang
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 24, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
His name is Roy Williams
You don’t always get an impact player in the 1st it only gets more difficult in later rounds. This year, Jerry needs the best available player with his lone first day pick. Most likely that player will be OL or S.
What is up
with Free and McQuistan? Amazed that one of these guys hasn’t panned out.
Time to go hard or go home.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
You got a prett clear scouting report last year
When neither of them could get on the field to replace Procter it spoke volumes about what the coaches think of those 2. I was pissed. it wouldn’t surprise me if they are both cut this year.
by StillHateTheGiants on Mar 21, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Remember McQuistan's first two years?
Everyone raved about him. Last year some thought he would take Kosier’s job.
If Kosier is so crappy, why do so many fans blame our lost last season on his injury?
Then the bizarre decision to put him in for mop up against the Eagles.
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Mar 21, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions
When Parcells was here one of the reporters asked if they were going to put McQ on the practice squad.
And he said something like “Are you crazy?? They’d be on him like Panthers!!” Oh, how he’s fallen…
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
New coach, new player evaluations
The Broncos just dumped half their team. The new coach or GM needs to put his mark on the team. Previous favorites quickly become yesterday’s news.
Flozel Adams
Flozell Adams our (LT) hurts are line play more then people will thank. It seems like we have a good drive going and he does something to kill it. I know about the hearing problem but that should be more reason that hes not off sides, if he cant hear why is he always jumping. His over all plays has really sliped the last 2 or 3 years .
He was injured last year
and not playing for a new contract.
Draft Max Unger with the 51st pick
After a good spring training he may push for playing time at center and then Gurode can push Kosier for his job. IMO the OL is the biggest need and this guy or maybe Alex Mack if he falls to 51 would really help the OL. Smart, talent, leader, are all characteristics the OL could really use. Here is what the huddle report has on Max Unger.
Max Unger OC Oregon
STRENGTHS
Max has the athletic talent and intellect to play all the offensive line positions. He is an excellent center with quick feet and a wide base. He shows good lateral agility and strength. Max keeps his feet moving when blocking both for the run or the pass. The kid is a technician and understands how and why he is supposed to block his opponent. He has excellent leadership qualities through his play on the field and through his obvious work ethic. Max Unger reminds me a lot of the Hall of Fame offensive lineman Bruce Matthews. Bruce was drafted in the first round, (9th over all) in 1983 by the Houston Oilers. Bruce played all of the offensive line positions (guard, center and tackle) before he retired. Bruce went to the to the Pro Bowl as a guard and center. Max Unger has this type of talent.
NEEDS TO IMPROVE
Max could get a little bigger so that he could anchor more on the bull rush; however, if getting bigger cuts into his quickness, then I suggest he stay at the weight he is right now. Give him a year to get stronger and you have yourself a hell of an offensive lineman and a leader.
TALENT BOARD ROUND 1
In my opinion, Max is a top ten pick in this draft and just maybe the best offensive lineman in this draft even after the Juniors declare. Don’t give me that garbage about level of competition. That’s just something thrown out so that a player will drop in the standings in the hope that the team that questions level of competition can draft the player they hope others will pass on for just that dumb reason. Max could play LT for you as well as become a Pro Bowl center. His strengths are his intelligence, sound technical skills, quick feet, leadership and his ability to get to the second level and block on the move. You can use him in any type of offensive system. He could be a Pro Bowl left guard or center; no matter where you put him on your line, he will give you everything he has. Max analyzes his opponents very well and although he struggles a bit with a man right over him and gets bull rushed at first, by the end of the game he has his man stopped and is helping others with their blocking assignments. He may not be a pure LT for some teams, but he still is the best offensive lineman in this draft and has the shortest LTI at any position on the offensive line in this draft. Remember: Bruce Mathews was picked in the top ten of his draft and nobody ever questioned why because of his versatility and short LTI. I’m calling him Max (Why Not) Unger because when you tell me that you can’t draft a center in the top ten of the draft I always say, “Why not?!” Why not pick a player who can play any one of your offensive line positions at a Pro Bowl level in the top ten of a draft? Do you really think that they are not valuable enough? Max (Why Not) Unger.
Why would a guy with top 10 credentials be available at 51?
by StillHateTheGiants on Mar 21, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions
The last 2 years...
of the NFL draft the first center was picked at #59.
Here is an article on 3 centers in this years draft (Mack, Unger, Luigs) and it’s a good read.
http://www.nfl-draft-site.com/2008/07/centers-for-2009-nfl-draft.html
All three of those Centers are better than any Centers that have come out in several years....This is the year of the Center
I am all for drafted any one of those guys if available…Luigs for sure will be there at #51….possibly even at #69, but that’s pushing it…Thankfully many teams took care of Center defficiencies during FA this past month, and HOPEFULLY…one of them slips……All 3 can also play OG if needed……
In addition Eric Wood of Louisville & Antoine Caldwell of Alabama are also worthy of one of our top 2 picks…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 21, 2009 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I like Eric Wood too!
All of our offense talent will go to waste if we have an injury to the OL. We have to get someone that can start on the OL if there is an injury and if we do not have an injury maybe the new pick can upgrade the OL by taking someone’s job. Isn’t this Kosier’s last year (2009)?
correct....and highly doubtful he'll be resigned. Holland is not the answer..
I see Kosier and Flo gone within the next few years…Time is NOW to secure their replacements..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 21, 2009 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly,
it’s too bad we are not in position to grab Flozell’s successor as well. The top tier of tackles ought to run out in the mid 30’s of this draft. Too bad.
Draft Day Rules: Rule #4: If Bill Parcells calls, just hang up. Because whatever he want's to talk about ain't gonna be good for you.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Mar 22, 2009 1:40 AM CDT up reply actions
you are correct Luke...
but you don’t wait for his contract to run out before selecting his eventual replacement..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 22, 2009 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions
weightwatchers ? nutrisystems ? Popeye's ? McDonalds ?
who’s Hollands replacement ?
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 22, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
He did....
But he’s bandaid, and not a permanent solution to the problem.
Eventually Dallas needs more than a stop gap solution.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
FA then.....not going to happen with a rookie
Draft a 3rd or 4th round guard to develop. Kosier will be resigned next year.
That's a pretty big assumption.
Plus, why is getting a second round guard so bad?
That Larry Allen guy ended up working pretty well.
And why do you assumed Kosier is going to be resigned? He’s a 30 year old guard coming off a season riddled season, and lets not obscure the fact that he was never anything special to begin with.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
because we have no luck in drafting OL and we have more pressing needs..
OL is not a big priority here. Safety, NT, ILB, WR is….
Well...
Guess we shouldn’t ever draft an offensive lineman ever again because of bad luck…. (rolls eyes)
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
When was the last time we drafted an O-lineman after the 2nd round
for developmental purposes that actually turned out?? The success rate is even worse drafting 2nd day O-linemen than it is 1st day. At least for us. If we get a chance at a good O-lineman like Robinson in the 2nd round we’d better take it.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
when was the last time we drafted a lineman period that worked out??
Jacob Rogers 2nd round bust, Stephan Peterman, 3rd round bust! this team has no luck selecting lineman. The reason they have went to veterans for depth over the years.
Gurode
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Mar 22, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Gurode is the latest.
This team has bad luck selecting linemen but even worse luck selecting 2nd day linemen. Name the last one selected on the 2nd day by us that turned out good. If you don’t think O-line is a priority that’s one thing. Thinking that we’re just going to magically find one on the 2nd day of the draft is flawed IMO. We’re even worse on the 2nd day of the draft.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
WR a pressing need ? We 8 on the roster already...keeping 5-6 tops....huh ?
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 22, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions
WR is a low priority at #51
Who are you going to get there that can come in and contribute? Much better odds of landing a top rated interior OL.
Further more, how are we more thin at WR than OL?
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Mar 22, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions
He doesn't have Top 10 credentials
E.g. SportingNews warroom thinks he should go in the later round and might even not get drafted at all. See:
“Bottom line: Unger is a center with the intangibles that NFL teams love, but he lacks the playing strength and all-around athleticism that are needed to be successful on the next level. For a player who has received so much national attention and recognition, he is going to really struggle to be as productive in the NFL as he was in college. His intangibles warrant a late-round selection, but don’t be shocked if he goes undrafted.”
The article on centers below was written in July 2008 and I am not familiar with the writer – is he just a fan or does he have any actual credentials.?
That being said I would happily take a quality Center with a lower round pick, but there is no way Unger warrants pick #51.
"Where's Woody? - We need another Darren Woodson
he'll be drafted long before 51...heck, so won't Mack and Wood.
so you better differ evaluations to the experts in the NFL…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 23, 2009 6:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Center prospect will be a backup
“he may push for playing time at center and then Gurode can push Kosier for his job”
An undersized prospect will not push Andre the Giant out to OG, Gurode has been a probowl center. Besides early in his career, Gurode was tested at OG – he failed. I can see drafting a potential replacement (Wood, Luigs or Caldwell) but not at #51. I would love to see a LT, but the best will be long gone, It makes more sense value wise to lock up an OG or RT with that second round pick.
Better yet is drafting Mack, Unger, Wood, Caldwell, and Luigs and play them at LG until Gurode is injured or his contract runs out..
All of the top 5 Centers can also play OG……
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 24, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
I Agree We Need O Line Help
but I don’t want a OG at 51 and IMHO the Duke would be subtraction by adding another character to our team.As stated we have multiple holes to fill and I hope we would take the best available with our first choice.
by TCB Orange Dino on Mar 22, 2009 12:39 AM CDT reply actions
What kind of character is he?
You two drinking buddies?
don't know enough to rate college OL
but we really need some players on the offensive line. unless free and mcq were holding something back, it can’t be good that they couldn’t keep “revolving door” procter off the field. how that guy ever got a 2nd round tender is beyond me. maybe he’s a better center, like some of you have said. and i don’t think the cowboys can trust holland any further than they can throw him, which is likely not very far.
i think this is a bigger need than safety. we’ve at least got some guys to try at fs. i think the OL is in trouble over a 16 game season.
Herman Jonson scares me
If we are going to pick an o-lineman early it will be a LT. There is no way we are picking a guard with both Holland and Kosier on the roster.
people are not realizing that a rookie O Lineman isn't ready to just take over if a starter goes down, UNLESS he's a top 20 type OL...
Some mention we have Kosier, and Holland…so we don’t need to address it NOW ? Kosier is gone soon, and Holland is back up material….You SELECT OL at least a season, preferably 2-3 seasons before they become dire, and desperate need….that’s NOW…..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 22, 2009 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Holland is not backup material he was a starter for Denver, but he doesn't have the body
to play in a ZB scheme, which is why they traded him. And why would Kosier be gone soon? We could always give him a new contract after this year if we wanted to.
When it comes to guards getting one in the second round is considered elite guard material so you would normally expect them to play now. Furthermore, if you are planning for whoever we pick to sit on the bench, then why not get a mid-late round developmental prospect like Jaime Thomas or Roger Allen.
Furthermore the only way we draft a guard early is if he can play center as well, like Andy Levitre.
They won't take Levitre
His name sounds too similar to the erectile dysfunction drug
and he’s too small.
Duke Robinson would be fine with me, I don’t give a darn if he can’t play center, the guy is a beast in run blocking.
We’ll have 11 picks to find a guy that can play OC/OG, or just Center. Why do they have to draft economically? Just grab the best talent.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Mar 22, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
What is it about BPA that you don't understand?
Are you hoping that Kosier comes back at 100% and Holland shows up fit and ready? What about Proctor as the backup? I want you to explain how interior OL is not a need, and why you’d rather pass on a possible future stud that could fall in the range Dallas will be on the clock?
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Mar 22, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Levitrie ? OC ?...huh ? how bout Wood, Luigs, Caldwell ?
Linemen chosen later in the draft to be “groomed” usually turn out to be Proctor, McQuistan, Justin Bates, Rob Pettiti, EJ Whitley types……NO THANK YOU
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 22, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Holland is definatley starter material...
Where the hell did the mad rush come from drafting a guard come from??? lol…Your not selecting a guard with a 2nd round pick…c’mon, that would be insane. You can find a quality guard in the later rounds to develop. Kosier or Holland will get an extension next year.
ok.....let's not draft any OL at all....we'll take your rational thinking, along with a newspaper, and lysol, and go sit on the crapper...good idea..
Even though we have signed long term Ken Hamlin at FS, and recently signed Sensabaugh, and have Brown, Watkins, Battle, and possibly Davis, plus discussions of Scandrick and or Ball going in fold at Safety….Let’s draft a Safety instead ?
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 22, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not against drafting a safety...
But I agree with you, I don’t think drafting a guard is just RIDICULOUS.
If the safety value is there, then fine, get him… but if the higher rated guard is there, I take them in a heartbeat.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
+1
Suddenly Guards are a horrible choice in the middle of the 2nd round? When did this happen?
It’s not like we are drafting a OG in the middle of the 1st. Now that would be insane, but the middle of the 2nd??? That’s when the top rated ones start coming of the board.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Mar 22, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions
He scares me too
He might become a beast like Larry Allen, or he might just eat himself out of the league. A few years back the Eagles drafted Max Jean Giles. I thought he would pancake every DT in the NFC East, what ever happened to that pig?
I agree that OL is a big concern
A buddy asked me what the biggest difference between ‘07 and ’08 was and I told him the play of the OL. You can make a case that it caused the majority of the problems on the team, in one way or another. The poor play let to Romo running for his life without the same time to find guys as the year before. It led directly to his injury, which led to Johnson playing which led to a couple of losses we shouldn’t have had, which led to missing the playoffs, etc etc. Throw in the “possible” pressure the D felt to hold teams down because they were never sure what they were going ot get from the O, though that is probably a bit of a stretch. The D had their own issues to be sure.
Great Write Up
My optimism makes me WANT TO THINK that the team didn’t bring in Free or McQuistan because they think they will be good tackles and didn’t want to thwart their development, but by keeping Flozell in, I think they made it clear that neither Free nor McQuistan can play (and McQuistan proved this on the field himself).
Anyone else want to cut Corey Proctor during the game where he failed to get out of his stance causing a safety? I think it was against the Giants? Wade should have sent him home right there.
So pardon my disposition; why should I listen to a system that never listened to me?
"Anyone else want to cut Corey Proctor during the game where he failed to get out of his stance causing a safety?"
(hand raised high!!!!!!!!) I wanted to cut Flo too because he didn’t really get out of his stance either. I still don’t know what their problem was.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
So heres the thing… I think that our line has the physical tools to be as dominate as any line in the HISTORY of football… however half of these guys seem like they still play with legos and micro machines, which i havent done since i was 7.
Holland has the dietary obedience of a hippo, Gurode aims for the goodyear blimp when he snaps the ball, and Flo just reminds me of Switowski from The Longest Yard ("He Brokeded my nose!) and cant seem to keep his hearing empared ass onsides.. Bid L. Davis cant seem to stop holding onto oppsing lineman as if they were a giant doughnut. And as far as Pat Mcq, have you guys ever seen a picture of this guy???? if for no other reason, i still have a huge problem with the way this guy’s face genetically mutated. and procter was just torcher watching all damn season long, i couldnt even possibly sit here and tell you what went wrong there
This line is held together by its one mentally sound admiral, Kyle Koiser.. the guy isnt anything special, but hes steady eddy, and it was proven last season… its no coincidence we ran for over 100 yards, won, and cut down penaltys due to lack of confusion, the two games he had played in…
These guys all need a swift kick in the nuts.
Prior to last season he was considered the weakest link
We have three probowlers and a former first round pick, if Jerry could just upgrade that sorry a$$ed Kosier. Pretty sad that his stock went so high just by missing a season.
lmao....That's the funny part...Kosier was last years preseason sacrificial lamb...now he's our savior ???
He’s no better than he was two years ago……and still the weakest link on the OL…Duke Robinson would take his job by mid season..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 24, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
it just goes to say.....
how bad Proctor really was when we are now praying that Kosier comes back healthy. Kosier was considered the weak link before last training camp-LOL.
Gurode was not in sync with Romo.
How aggravating was it to watch him not snap the ball when Romo wanted it? IMO he is not the smartest guy around either. Center is the captain of the offensive line. That is why I would like to see Unger, Mack or Wood drafted if they are still around at 51. The 2009 Cowboys will have awesome talent at running back. Why not build an OL that can dominate like we had in the 90’s. I agree that we have a huge need for a cover guy at FS or SS also. Hopefully we can get both this year.
I dont know about drafting one that high
Although, i wouldnt mind taking two or three lineman away from this draft, with the abundance of picks we have accumulated were bound to hit on one… This teams achillies heal the last decade has been the inability to have quality to even mediocre safety play, we get a decent safety our D becomes dominant.
by missingthe90s on Mar 22, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
+1....Mack is a two time academic all american Center...
brains and brawn….the way i like ‘em…we simply have a stable of dummy’s playing up front…need an infusion of smarts to cut down on the league leading penalties produced by that front 5…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 22, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Mack is out of reach
Jerry will not burn his 2010 first round pick locking up a center to groom behind Gurode
once again...he can play OG as well...
but i don’t advocate moving up for anybody……..Mack would be the only player though, if he slipped to #40
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 24, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Gurode is a unique center, and he's not getting displaced
his strength is phenomenal for his position.
by AustonianAggie on Mar 22, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you are right
although at times last year it looked like Romo wished he had a cattle prod to get him to snap the ball before the clock ran out.
The offense also seemed to generally be slow getting the play called and set at the line. Romo was rushed about 10 snaps a game.
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Mar 22, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Gurode is strong
but he can be strong at guard. We need a smart center. FYI: I went to the same High School as Gurode. North Shore HIgh School in Houston.
correct....Gurode is built to be a OG...
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 23, 2009 6:59 AM CDT up reply actions
he sucked 5-6 years ago.....think his game hasn't gotten better since ?
He’s always been a OG handing the ball off is all..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 24, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Agree we need 2 o-linemen in the draft
51 Smith, *Sean (CB), Utah
69 Moala, Fili (DT), Southern Cal
103 Tupou, Fenuki (OT), Oregon
119 Lang, T.J. (OT), Eastern Michigan
157 Webb, Lardarius (CB), Nicholls State
167 Phillips, Jason (ILB), TCU
172 Johnson, Quinn (FB), LSU
197 Hunt, Phillip (OLB), Houston
208 Pascoe, Bear (TE), Fresno State
211 Reilly, Mike (QB), Central Washington
228 Harris, Ra’Shon (DT), Oregon
Ziggy, were not drafting 11 players. Jerry is going to trade up and dump some of those picks
maybe 7 tops…
well 53 make the squad and 9 on the practice squad
go ahead and start listing the ones that should be here, I get to about 38 and after that it`s no big loss in fact the 11 players I selected in the mock would stand a pretty good shot at being an upgrade.Here`s my 11 and tell me if they improve last yrs roster by their presence, keep in mind even if I list a player departed as the player being replaced he still needs to be replaced even though he`s no longer on the team…hope you get that.
but here goes.
Smith, *Sean (CB), Utah instead of Adam Jones
Moala, Fili (DT), Southern Cal instead of Tank Johnson
Tupou, Fenuki (OT), Oregon instead of Pat MacQuistan
Lang, T.J. (OT), Eastern Michigan istead of Cory Proctor
Webb, Lardarius (CB), Nicholls State instead of Anthony Henry
Phillips, Jason (ILB), TCU instead of Zach Thomas
Johnson, Quinn (FB), LSU instead of Deion Anderson
Hunt, Phillip (OLB), Houston instead of Kevin Burnett
Pascoe, Bear (TE), Fresno State instead of Tony Curtis
Reilly, Mike (QB), Central Washington instead of Brooks Bollinger
Harris, Ra’Shon (DT), Oregon instead of heck pick one
Wilson, Travis WR / Gibbons, Ryan T / Spanos, Matt C / Octavien, Steve LB ….need I go on? Brown, Courtney S / Battle, Tra S
we have 9
plus the 2 we hopefully get from the compensatory picks, I`ve adjusted the overall number to reflect the addition of the comp picks throughout and only selected players ranked lower than the overall draft pick.(according to NFL Draft Scout)
LT seems like the most obvious need to me I have no idea why everyone wants guard
Flo could become a huge liability at any second; he is at that age, and showed it last year.
And don’t talk to me about Free. Free is a 4th round small school player who played pretty poorly in preseason last year. It would be great if he could make the leap this year, but you can’t go into the season depending on that.
by quincyyyyy on Mar 22, 2009 6:57 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I would go along with that instead of a guard quincyy...
Where this man crush for a guard came from I have no idea when it’s not a great need at this point. We need a ILB, safety, CB, WR..
Why WR some say…Hurd, I’m not sold on and I dont think they are either….Stanbach has shown nothing to this point and shouldn’t be taken seriously. Crayton is old and slow. Outside of RW and Austin who do we have?? We need a speed WR.
Like you will get a stud OT in the #51 range
And there’s slim and none chances they draft a WR after trading for RW last season in the 2nd round.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Mar 22, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Im not for taking a OT either......
I still think Jerry is moving up from #51 to take a safety, ILB, or WR.
think again....your forgetting Garrett has a major input on the offense and wants players that can stretch the field
The reason Bennett was drafted to give them a more vertical threat.
Actually he was the top rated TE
Which goes to the point I’m making. They passed on James Hardy and waited for the value pick.
Why would they trade away a 1st and 3rd for Roy, then turn around and draft a WR anywhere in the 2nd. That would be a really odd move. There are other speed guys sprinkled through the draft class. I think they could very well draft a WR, but not with the 2nd round pick. IMO anyway.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Mar 22, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Plus....
I think the Cowboys think that Austin is the speed receiver.
He’s not slow.
Getting a widereceiver in the second round would be super silly, that would be the equivalant of drafting a receiver with your first two picks.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 22, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, lets not start acting like the Lions. We've got a need at several positions. WR isn't one of them right now.
Although I’m not opposed on taking one later on if a player they like slips.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
It would be the worst selection ever to take a WR in rd #2....
That would be equivelant to Jerry Jones stating to the world that he:
Blew it by releasing TO
Blew it trading for Roy Williams
Blew the evaluation on Austin
Blew the Stanback experiment.
Jerry don’t go out like that……….
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 23, 2009 7:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep...
Pretty much.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
Austin is my boy so you won't get an argument with me there, but we need a small quick guy....
Austin is fast, but we are still missing that super quick fast guy to play the slot to make Garretts offense really go. Crayton is not that guy and his time is short. Hurd is basically a Crayton clone and then we have Stanbach….yeah sure…..ughh……Deshaun Jackson comes to mind. If I was ever wrong I was on this kid last year. Give Numba1 props on this one, he was on point talking about this kid.
Why do you....
Have to have a small quick guy?
There are plenty of good offenses that work without one.
I personally like the type of guys your talking about, but there it’s not like there alot of teams that have them. Plus those small guys more often than not don’t work out.
Also… can we slow the induction on Desean Jackson? He had a good rookie season but it was one season. I think the guy is good, but it has only been one season.
There have been other rookie receivers that have had decent seasons and then flamed out.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 23, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Mike Thomas from Arizona
is the top rated slot WR. He’s the DeShaun Jackson of this draft. He’s small, quick with fantastic hands. He could be available at the top of the 4th and become our return specialist.
The problem is....There are no Desean Jackson's in round 2 this year.....wait till the 4th-5th for our slot WR
NONE of the smaller, quicker, slot type WR/Return guys are worth a 2nd rounder….I am not at all sold on Penn St’s Derrick Williams..
The value for those type of WR’s begins in the late 3rd round through 5th round..
Murphy- not a slot guy, and not convinced with his game either..3rd-4th
Inglesias- not worth of our 2nd or 3rd rounder
slot – Mike Thomas
slot-Brandon Tate
slot- Demetrius Byrd
slot-Jarrett Dillard
slot-Mike Wallace
slot-Deon Butler
slot-Johnny Knox
slot-Dom Edison
slot-Ogletree
slot-Jordon Norwood
ALL could be had AFTER round 3.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 24, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
I couldn't agree more
I’ve been trumpeting that horn for weeks. LT is a critical spot and we’re playing with fire. I’m looking for a talented tackle who can slide in at guard if needed. I’d also love to grab a savvy center so that Gurode can slide to guard.
Tupou is one of the few guys I’ve found who seems to have the natural ability to be a LT and might be available for us. Love to get him and one of the top centers.
by cowboysuberfan on Mar 22, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Tupou projects to RT
He’ll be availabe in the 3rd.
here`s my 38
Romo, Tony
Kitna, Jon
Barber, Marion
Choice, Tashard
Jones, Felix
Williams, Roy
Austin, Miles
Crayton, Patrick
Hurd, Sam
Stanback, Isaiah
Witten, Jason
Bennett, Martellus
Adams, Flozell
Colombo, Marc
Free, Doug
Davis, Leonard
Holland, Montrae
Kosier, Kyle
Gurode, Andre
Spears, Marcus
Olshansky, Igor
Hatcher, Jason
Bowen, Stephen
Ratliff, Jay
Ware, DeMarcus
Spencer, Anthony
Ellis, Greg
James, Bradie
Brooking, Keith
Carpenter, Bobby
now my 11 draft picks
Smith, *Sean
Moala, Fili
Tupou, Fenuki
Lang, T.J.
Webb, Lardarius
Phillips, Jason
Johnson, Quinn
Hunt, Phillip
Pascoe, Bear
Reilly, Mike
Harris, Ra’Shon
for a total of 49 so were still missing 4 players so squeaking in
Hawkins, Mike
Rogers, Justin
Stewart, Matt
Brown, Courtney
ok who missed the cut? you know the guys that were so good that we only needed 5 to 7 picks in the draft to make the team better. Here are the studs.
Anderson, Deon but he could beat out Johnson, Quinn to earn his roster spot of course if Jerry follows your thinking and drafts 5 to 7 players maybe he will get a free pass.
Coleman, Alonzo not sure how that practice squad goes if he can go back there again but we can always pick up a rb after the draft to go on the practice squad.
Crosslin, Julius again if he is the stud your talking about then let him earn his roster spot.
Wilson, Travis Be still my heart how will we survive wow your right we don`t need 11 picks.
Warren, Paris the next TO!!!!
Hannah, Rodney maybe he can go back on the PS I doubt he`s a better blocker than Bear.
Gibbons, Ryan ???
McQuistan, Pat ??? I`d rather have Tupou, Fenuki but that`s just me.
Procter, Cory what am I doing I`m ruining the Cowboys!!!! I guess all the fans wearing Cory`s jersey will kill me.
Spanos, Matt a tough loss no doubt but Lang can play C…maybe not as good as Proctor.
Dixon, Marcus save him on the PS
Anderson, Tim unless he beats out the 7th rd`er…don`t count on it.
Siavii, Junior now he could give the 7th rder a run but Ratliff was a 7th don`t forget. And if he does then we put Harris on the PS not the end of the world as we know it, everybody now sing along.
Octavien, Steve cool name maybe that earns him a roster spot?
Watkins, Pat are you a member of his fan club? well maybe he makes it over Brown or the world famous Mike Hawkins but I would n`t miss him.
Now that you have seen my 38 lets call them…solid possible locks, plus my 11 draftees, plus my 4 squeakers and my players that missed the cut are you still contending that we only need 5 to 7 players via the draft? what cuts are must have additions that make us better over the draft picks I selected?
kickers and long snapper an optional extra?
Unless we go back to Danny White days – how’s Romo’s leg?
Thats 3 you have missed. Plus our FA S acquisition – sensabaugh, so that’s 4….
"Where's Woody? - We need another Darren Woodson
actually my copy and paste misfired
I only listed 30 and missed 8 errrr rats 9
Newman, Terence
Jenkins, Mike
Scandrick, Orlando
Ball, Alan
Hamlin, Ken
Sensabaugh, Gerald
Folk, Nick
Ladouceur, L.P
McBriar, Mat
now I`m 1 over … guess the camp battle will be between Ball and Hawkins for that final roster spot.
Another thing about the 11 draft choices
Everyone wants to trade them up for 7 picks or so because only 7 can make this roster. You’re forgetting that several of these guys will be misses, so just cause you pick 7 doesn’t mean you’ll have 7 good ones. I’m ok with rolling the dice a couple more times and let the players battle it out in training camp.
Sure, trade up if it makes sense, but don’t do it strictly for number of players.
wow cowboysrnumba1 what great insight
but totally ignoring my point, again here`s my draft picks
Smith, *Sean
Moala, Fili
Tupou, Fenuki
Lang, T.J.
Webb, Lardarius
Phillips, Jason
Johnson, Quinn
Hunt, Phillip
Pascoe, Bear
Reilly, Mike
Harris, Ra’Shon
and here are the guys I`m sending home as a result
Anderson, Deon
Coleman, Alonzo ps?
Crosslin, Julius
Wilson, Travis
Warren, Paris
Hannah, Rodney ps?
Gibbons, Ryan
McQuistan, Pat
Procter, Cory
Spanos, Matt
Dixon, Marcus ps
Anderson, Tim
Siavii, Junior
Octavien, Steve
Mike Hawkins
Watkins, Pat
for every guy on the missed list that in your opinion is a mush have addition (which you seem to keep secret) you can send a guy from the draft list to the practice squad (not the end of the world as we know it)
my roster after the 11 man mock draft
QB
Romo, Tony
Kitna, Jon
Reilly, Mike
RB
Barber, Marion
Choice, Tashard
Jones, Felix
Johnson, Quinn
WR
Williams, Roy
Austin, Miles
Crayton, Patrick
Hurd, Sam
Stanback, Isaiah
TE
Witten, Jason
Bennett, Martellus
Pascoe, Bear
O-LINE
Adams, Flozell
Colombo, Marc
Free, Doug
Davis, Leonard
Holland, Montrae
Kosier, Kyle
Gurode, Andre
Tupou, Fenuki
Lang, T.J.
DEF-LINE
Spears, Marcus
Olshansky, Igor
Hatcher, Jason
Bowen, Stephen
Ratliff, Jay
Moala, Fili
Harris, Ra’Shon
LB
Ware, DeMarcus
Spencer, Anthony
Ellis, Greg
James, Bradie
Brooking, Keith
Carpenter, Bobby
Phillips, Jason
Hunt, Phillip
Rogers, Justin
Stewart, Matt
CB/S
Newman, Terence
Jenkins, Mike
Scandrick, Orlando
Ball, Alan
Hamlin, Ken
Sensabaugh, Gerald
Smith, *Sean
Webb, Lardarius
Brown, Courtney
SPEC TEAMS
Folk, Nick
Ladouceur, L.P
McBriar, Mat
Note I forgot Tra Battle, for all you Tra Battle fans out there please note he will battle (no pun intended) with Courtney Brown, Patrick Watkins, Mike Hawkins, Jerome Carter (ooops forgot him as well) for that final spot.
I'm just not sold on your 11 draft picks.....is all...
I wouldn’t draft TE or FB at all.
I wouldn’t select two OT’s and project them at OC/OG
Heck, I wouldn’t wait til the 4th to select our first OL
I wouldn’t select two DE’s and project them at NT
I wouldn’t wait til the 5th-6th round to draft my first LB, a converted DE at that..
Other than that…I love the time and devotion you’ve put into this…..
I would keep:
2) Smith-CB/FS
3) Dorell Scott NT ? Caldwell OC ? Marcus Freeman ILB ? McKenzie – ILB ? Urbik, Loadholt – OT ? Chip Vaughn – SS ?
4) Canfield G ? McKillop LB ? Dillard, Thomas, Tate WR ? Taylor, Baker NT ?
4) Lang-OL
5) Webb – CB/FS
5) Wallace – WR ? Jason Williams – ILB ?
5) Wiley – SS ? Sammie Lee Hill – DL ?
6) Hunt-OLB
6) Pascoe-TE
7) Reilly-QB
7) Harris-DE
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 24, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
my response
I’m just not sold on your 11 draft picks…..is all…
I wouldn’t draft TE or FB at all. Boys want to run more next season,Witten will not last if expected to line up in the backfield as much as last yr.
I wouldn’t select two OT’s and project them at OC/OG Lang is considered an interior player first who can be moved to the outside if need be.
Heck, I wouldn’t wait til the 4th to select our first OL keep in mind the team feels it has it`s starters in place.
I wouldn’t select two DE’s and project them at NT Rat was considered a 3-4 end, might have something to do with the scheme we use that allows him to succeed. But see your concern.
I wouldn’t wait til the 5th-6th round to draft my first LB, a converted DE at that.. most OLB in a 3-4 were college DE`s too small for the pro game.
Other than that…I love the time and devotion you’ve put into this….. thanks can`t wait for the draft.
For all those saying there is "no way" we are taking a guard in the 2nd
Raise your hand if you thought we were taking a TE in the 2nd last year.
Draft Day Rules: Rule #4: If Bill Parcells calls, just hang up. Because whatever he want's to talk about ain't gonna be good for you.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Mar 23, 2009 5:12 PM CDT reply actions
Good point
Or raise your hand if you thought we were going to draft Fasano back in 2006. I never would have guessed that in a million years.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
Oh you know Carl...
Everyone is an expert.
I love the people who point out every time they were right on every pick of the past, but of course conventiently leave out anytime they are wrong on a player.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
I'll tell you a couple I was wrong on
The biggest was Carpenter. I really thought he’d plug right into the OLB opposite Ware. I was a big fan of Al Johnson too. Another one was CB Karl Paymah. I thought he was a real sleeper and then the Broncos jumped and got him in the 3rd round. Off the chart measurables. I thought he’d eventually be a starter in the league but it never materialized. He’s a good #3 guy though. I wish the Cowboys had looked at him in FA this year. I thought Ray Willis was the next big thing at RT and Manny Ramirez was going to be our next Nate Newton. LOL
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
Haha....
Yeah I know there are guys I’ve been wrong on, but I don’t ever go gaga for many players coming out of college either.
I realize that drafting is such an inexact science that there are no “for sure” things.
I know there have been guys thats I’ve been high on other teams that I thought would dominate that haven’t like Matt Jones. I was high on J.J. Arrington coming out as well.
I can honestly say I was wrong on Chris Johnson so far as well, he’s a much more physical player then I thought he would be. I’m pretty glad too, because the dude is alot of fun to watch.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 23, 2009 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I didn't think much of CJ.
I thought he was a one trick pony. A fast one trick pony.
I was going back through posts I made way back in 2006 when we drafted Carp and it was crazy how many players I thought were just going to be so good. I had a thing for Virginia players because they played in a 3-4 D for Al Groh just like Parcells’. Where have you gone Kai Parham?? You were supposed to be our ILB FOREVER!! Dang it. LOL
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
Ditto on Chris Johnson
I was sure he’d do nothing other than return kicks, I misjudged that kid.
Also was thrilled when they signed Parham, but he fizzled out.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Mar 24, 2009 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Parham had such good production
I thought he could overcome the speed issues. Guess not
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
I don't believe that was Glory's point at all...
He didn’t call for Bennett being selected…..but trading Fasano surely made TE a priority need, and the best rated TE was available at the time…I threw his name out right before we chose him, but was relatively suprised myself.
I believe the notion of excluding an Offensive Lineman in round 2 is purely an opinionated speculation. A OL, LB, WR, DB, DL are very good possibilities…not one weighing heavier than the other…
The odds on favorites are OL or S, so anyone guessing OL would be making a pretty fair assessment.
Any other positions would be a complete suprise to everyone.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 24, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
This is how I see the Cowboys thinking.
Starters Flo / Kosier / Gurode / Davis / Colombo
Flo concerns us, at times last yr he was down right dominating but he breaks down and loses his effectiveness. In the fold we have Free severely untested, why?why?why? did n`t we play him last season then we would know what we have in him. MacQ better keep him at guard we don`t feel comfortable protecting Tony`s backside. Gibbons faces long odds. We really need a player who can handle LT but with no 1rst rd pick were plum out of luck at getting a bonafide stud. So cross your fingers for this yr with whatever draftee we take this yr for shoring up this position.
Kosier, with Holland backing him up we feel pretty good here, but we don`t want to see Proctor at this position again.
Gurode is a Pro Bowler as long as he`s in the lineup were fine, Proctor is a emergency tender only, in case we miss out on acquiring an improvement in the draft.sssshhhhh don`t tell Cory.
Davis, we like Bigg but to be on the safe side we been scouting some massive road graders in the draft that we can get late and maybe even in free agency as udfa`s, don`t tell MacQ but his days may be numbered.
Colombo has been a real find for us, a pillar of strength,knock on wood, we need to improve his backup just in case.
crystal ball says
Caldwell, Antoine ©, Alabama
Cadogan, Gerald (OT), Penn State
in the draft…
and udfa pickups
Slauson, Matt (OG), Nebraska
Reed, Rylan (OT), Texas Tech
Miller, Maurice (OG), Mississippi
When the Boys made their cuts the O-line consisted of Flo / Kosier/ Gurode/ Davis/ Colombo/ Caldwell / Cadogen / Free / and surprisingly both Slauson and Miller made the squad. Reed was sent to the practice squad to hone his craft. Proctor was badly outplayed by Caldwell and released, Holland showed up for camp out of shape and injured his groin and never got a chance to show anything opening the door for both Slauson and Miller to make the squad.
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Certain photos copyright © 2012 by Associated Press or Getty Images. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of Associated Press and Getty Images is strictly prohibited.
