What do the Cowboys Covet Most?
by Jim Vance on Mar 23, 2009 5:47 PM CDT
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We know the Cowboys want to find studs in the middle of the defense. Starting at the nose, moving to inside linebacker and on to safety, I've been trying to look at the picks they own and then look at past drafts to see if quality can be found where the Cowboys are currently standing or if a move up or down will bring them the player they want.
I took a look around the league and tried to find five guys that I felt were very solid players at those positions. I didn't look specifically for Pro Bowl players but I didn't shy away from a player just because he was good enough to make the Pro Bowl.
The criteria was simple;
- a) Plays in a 3-4
- b) Current player
- c) I'd like to have the guy on my team this year
That's it. You may not agree with my choices. You may point out someone who is better. You may feel the sample is too small. That's fine.
Like I said, I didn't say these were the top 5 at their position - they are just guys who I would want to play this position on my team this year and which round they were drafted.
Nose Tackle
Casey Hampton - Steelers - 1st
Vince Wilfork - Patriots - 1st
Jamal Williams - Chargers - 2nd supplemental
Shaun Rogers - Browns - 2nd
Kris Jenkins - Jets - 2nd
Inside Linebacker
Patrick Willis - 49ers - 1st
Ray Lewis - Ravens - 1st
Bart Scott - Jets - UDFA
Bradie James - Cowboys - 4th
David Harris - Jets - 2nd
Safety
Troy Polamalu - Steelers -1st
Bob Sanders - Colts - 2nd
Ed Reed - Ravens - 1st
Adrian Wilson - Cardinals - 3rd
Kerry Rhodes- Jets - 4th
What's the quick take away from this exercise? Solid nose tackles are hard to come by and the law of supply and demand pushes the limited number of big fellas up into the top two money rounds. Is it likely the Cowboys will pick up a NT with their pick at 51? I doubt it since there are at least a couple of teams (Miami and Kansas City) who want to have a plugger in the middle and they pick before we do. If Ron Brace is available anywhere near the 51 spot - I think we almost have to try to go get him. When all is said and done we will probably stand pat with Ratliff and look for a back up NT in the middle rounds.
Inside linebacker looks like a position that we might have a better chance of finding a solid player with our current draft position. In this brief exercise you see the obvious stars from the top rounds being supplemented by a mid-round and a free agent.
Based only on this quick glance the safety position also looks like we have a good shot at finding a contributor with our current selections.
I'm still in favor of packaging our late round picks and trying to trade up, however I feel good about our chances of landing a solid safety and inside linebacker this year. If I'm right and the Cowboys decide to go Safety and ILB with their first couple of selections- who do the Cowboys covet most?
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KC wants a nose tackle?
Are they movin Glenn Dorsey to Defensive End?
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 23, 2009 6:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's a rumor..
..that if they switched to 3-4 and if they had a shot at B.J. Raji or Ron Brace they would snag a Big Boulder because they don’t have confidence that Dorsey could be the kind of NT Pioli has in mind.
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
by Jim Vance on Mar 23, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dorsey would be a great 3-4 DE
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 23, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
I would love to be a linebacker running at his side.
I bet Derrick Johnson is licking his chops.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 23, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Jim
Just wanted to say that you’ve been doing a great job with interesting takes on what the team needs and how it relates to the draft. Not just the same ol’ same ol’ who-do-we-pick-where.
Keep up the good work.
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Mar 23, 2009 6:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
I love your articles Jim.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 23, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree also
Jim, you’ve been a breath of fresh air around here,with your well thought,and interesting perspective on the cowboys and particular the upcoming draft!
Kudos Jim!
You'll never get in a traffic jam,while going the extra mile. -Roger staubach
by TrueBlue24 on Mar 23, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree too
I like the straight up analysis stuff, but your take is different and interesting. I feel your take has more the typical fan perspective and it creates a very different set of responses. Thanks and keep up the good work.
by staubachfan on Mar 23, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heck....I was the first to throw Jim Nance's name in the hat for new writer, do I got a nose for talent or what ??? lmao
btw….Carl (Glory88) was my other canidate…
any referal money coming my way ??
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 23, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Numba.......
gotta rib ya here a litle. Isn’t Jim Nance the CBS sports broadcaster? Unless I need glasses, isn’t our Jim, Jim Vance? LOL. Sorry had to get one on ya cause usually I’m the one that screws up.
by texstar on Mar 23, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fruedian slip....i've been caught up in too much March Madness.....lol....btw.,
How bout dem UConn Husky’s ….woooooo hooooooo
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 24, 2009 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just had to tease you a little......
It’s funny I don’t really watch that much basketball until March Madness but now I’m really into it. I sure was wanting a few upsets but I like UConn btw.
by texstar on Mar 24, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You think we'll see another Pitt/UConn matchup in the finals?
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Mar 24, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have Pitt and Mich St in the finals
with Pitt winning of course. ;)
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Mar 24, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That seems a stretch....
I haven’t really followed it that closely, but Pitt seems a little vulnerable to me. I thought Villanova looked pretty impressive and I wouldn’t count NC out since they have Lawson back.
by texstar on Mar 24, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitt can easily win it all
they completely owned UConn this year and when our tripletts are on( Fields, Young and Blair), we can easily beat anyone in the country.
I picked Mich St because I knew everyone was going to pick either Louisville and UConn and I think the Spartans have a really good team.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Mar 24, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope not ....although it would be bitter sweet for UConn to finally beat Pitt this year, 0-2 so far..
Without SG- Kevin Dyson, Uconn’s odds are against them winning it all…But have played better than every other team thus far….
They should beat Perdue,(-6.5) ( give the points and bet large)
They will have a tough game against Memphis..They do match up well agains NC, Louisville though…
.Hopefully Pittsburgh gets upset…UConn could beat them too, but they seem to have the Husky’s number this season…
Blair is bad ass..but I really like Sam Young (playing his way into the NBA lottery)
UConn doesn’t have anyone to contain him- not too many teams do.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 24, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tar Heels need to step it up
They are capable of blowing everyone out if they decide to play defense… which they did in big games such as Duke…
The way they bowed out last year to Kansas tells me they will be tough to beat.
Tar Heels started this college Bball season with one goal in mind - that loss to Kansas in last year's final 4 will make this team all bid-ness!
by DalaiLuke on Mar 24, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not having followed basketball that closely until last weekend.....
Villanova looked pretty good against UCLA as a sleeper pick. UCLA may not be all that good this year but Villanova looked pretty stiff.
by texstar on Mar 24, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Villinova has a good shot...Another Beast from the Big East.......
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 24, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, they pretty much manhandled UCLA.....
Even though I’m not a Blake Griffin fan, the poor guy really got roughed up last week-end. Ever since, he got his concussion every team has pretty much man-handled him. Did you see the flip over the back?
by texstar on Mar 24, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we get two fo the three
I would be very happy. If I could only get one I would want the safety postion filled. If I could have two I would want the Safety and the ILB. I would rather chance not having a solid NT backup then not grooming or starting a S and an ILB.
by staubachfan on Mar 23, 2009 7:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ok I look at it that way
we lost a under performing high prised safety and replaced him with a cheap untested quality one. If he’s bad at least we saved money, if he’s good we struck a bonus.
as much as I hate to see it we will probably be going for ILB, its just more pressing in my opinion.
by dcfanz on Mar 23, 2009 7:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dang it all!
We need a space eater for the rest of the ‘middle’ to excel. A great inside LB is still vulnerable to centers and guards if getting only screened off from pursuit. I repeat, we need a NT who demands double team attention and it looks as if the first or second round is the market place for quality.
by Keys80 on Mar 23, 2009 7:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree with this ...
And think trading up for Brace would instantly make this a GREAT draft… improving the Line, the LBs, and by default, the secondary. Of course, we could end up drafting Brace and he somehow proves a bust and then I take it all back.
Tar Heels started this college Bball season with one goal in mind - that loss to Kansas in last year's final 4 will make this team all bid-ness!
by DalaiLuke on Mar 24, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dallas got a 5th and a 6th in compensatory picks
sucks no luck this off season. I was hoping for a 4th and a 6th
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/23/2009-compensatory-draft-picks/
by Becho on Mar 23, 2009 7:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
DANA POINT, Calif. — In case you haven’t heard, a team losing more (or better) compensatory free agents than it acquires in the previous year receives compensatory draft picks in accordance with the NFL’s CBA .
The Dallas Cowboys were only team in the NFC East to receive two compensatory picks, and they will be in the fifth (172 overall) and sixth (208) rounds. The Giants received the highest compensatory pick, which gives them the 100th overall selection in the third round.
The Redskins received a seventh-round compensatory pick (243) and the Eagles did not receive a compensatory pick. Considering how many players they’ve lost this offseason, they should lead the way in compensatory picks in 2010.
OK, I’ll let you chew on that for a little while. We temporarily lost wireless in the media tent, but we’re back up and running. With all the talk of the current recession earlier today, a few reporters thought commissioner Goodell was trying to cut back on expenses.
The good news is that the wireless at the Howard Johnson is humming.
by Football Guy on Mar 23, 2009 7:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
When it was stated....
“Considering how many players they’ve lost this offseason, they should lead the way in compensatory picks in 2010.”
Did they mean the Cowboys or the Iggles
by Becho on Mar 23, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Football Guy, please don't post other people's work
without attribution and a link.
The above write-up was from Matt Mosley’s blog. Link here.
by Dave Halprin on Mar 24, 2009 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grizz = on it
Tar Heels started this college Bball season with one goal in mind - that loss to Kansas in last year's final 4 will make this team all bid-ness!
by DalaiLuke on Mar 24, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
little off topic some wanderlic scores of QB's
P.Manning 28
McNabb 14
T.Brady 33
Q.Carter 30
T. Romo 37
E.Manning 39
20 is considered average
http://www.unc.edu/~mirabile/Wonderlic.htm
by dcfanz on Mar 23, 2009 7:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wait wait.... T Romo wasn't at the combine except to throw balls to WR's I thought
so he wouldn’t of taken the wonderlic… also, the wonderlic is about placement in an office setting. I have a hard time believing E. Manning’s 39 is 11 better the Payton’s 28 in any catagory
by AustonianAggie on Mar 24, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
all combine invitee's take the wonderlic...
even A Smith-OG took it before slippin out the back door..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 24, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so...
by excluding ratliff from the NT list, are you saying you’d rather see him at DE?
by BVandy on Mar 23, 2009 8:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I love Rat..
… and he did a great job at nose. I’ve always felt that he might do even better if he were playing a position he was more suited for physically. When I think of a NT I think of a huge guy who uses his bulk and beats you down with his mass. I drool thinking about having both..Ratliff like a Tasmanian Devil at DE crashing in and some widebody in the middle collapsing the center – then Ware swoops in from the opposite side.. BLAMMO. I think I’d like that.
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
by Jim Vance on Mar 23, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not questioning your reasoning...
just trying to understand your line of thinking.
by BVandy on Mar 23, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NT
I believe this is the most pressing need on the team. This defense will never live up to it’s potential without that road-grader in the middle to take up double-team blocks. Every great 3-4 defense has one.
Jay Ratliff’s skills are being wasted on the nose. A big stud NT would drastically improve two positions.
I fully agree that we need to do whatever we can to get Ron Brace.
by bewareofdware on Mar 23, 2009 9:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
NT
is a need as well as safety and oline. We saw last year how easily the oline can go to hell with injuries. Safety is a must. I still have to lean to one of the big guys. There isn’t really any Ed Reeds in this years safety class unless I’m missing something.
by oldboysfan on Mar 23, 2009 9:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We didn't know there was an Ed Reed in 2002 until he became Ed Reed.
It’s a crap shoot all right. I thought RW was going to be a HOF safety. Ed Reed was an afterthought that year. Not only that but he came into the league as a SS. I think there’s going to be some good DB’s going from the beginning of the 2nd round through the 3rd round. I really hope we snag one.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
by kameleon_o on Mar 23, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ed Reed was an afterthought?
He was a first round draft pick.
by DaBoys on Mar 23, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant to Cowboy fans.
He certainly wasn’t someone I was looking at. All I could think about was either Quentin Jammer or Roy Williams.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
by kameleon_o on Mar 23, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
neither of those guys iproved to be equal to Ed Reed
I never really bought Quieten Jammer out of college
by AustonianAggie on Mar 24, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here is our new draft numbers ------
2nd round – #51
3rd round- #69
4th round – #101
4th round – #117
5th round – #156
5th round – #166
5th round – #172
6th round – #197
6th round – #208
7th round – #210
7th round – #227
That’s alot of picks…..Just wish they were in the 1st & 2nd or even 3rd..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 23, 2009 10:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think if we end w/
six picks like last year it will be a very good draft especially if we gain some a pick or 2 next year, a extra 4th rounders will allow us to move up next year w/ our 32nd pick to get a dynamic safety like Taylor Mays.
by nicholas.rodriguez on Mar 23, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking the same thing.
Just wish they were a little higher.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
by kameleon_o on Mar 23, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
5 Round Mock
2. Phil Loadholt, OT, Oklahoma
3. Jairus Byrd, CB/FS, Oregon
4. Cody Brown, DE/OLB, Connecticut
4. Dannell Ellerbe, ILB, Georgia
5. Jaimie Thomas, G, Maryland
5. Myron Pryor, DT, Kentucky
- I heard the Boys had scouts at Kentucky’s pro day and was impressed with Pryor. He may start to climb the board.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=33146&draftyear=2009&genpos=DT
by tyler2 on Mar 23, 2009 11:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
your getting better.....I like Bryd alot..
Brown and Pryor would be quality value picks..
I see Loadholt at RT though…….Meredith is the better LT prospect in that area…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 24, 2009 12:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep...
Loadholt is just too slow to go up against quick ends/olb’s on the left side.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 24, 2009 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go Ducks.
I may have been too harsh on Byrd in the past because he cost the Ducks the game against Cal by fumbling a PR. I really think he is a physical corner who can help this D. I really like Sean Smith, but I have never seen an actual game of his.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 24, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been thinking
(dangerous, I know) that it might be easier to get a NT that’s more similar to Rat than a big wide-body type. Let’s take a look at Ratliff: he’s about 6-4 & 300lbs. He has above avg. strength and quickness, which is what has helped him excell at nose, rather than being just a huge guy. If Brace is gone before the 51st pick comes up, maybe we could look at somebody like Ziggy Hood of Mizzou at that point, or maybe Vance Walker of G-Tech later on. Both are around 6-2, 6-3 and 300-305, with good strength and quick feet. Any thoughts?
by IronCowboy on Mar 24, 2009 10:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Raf pointed this out once
If we’ve decided that Rat is going to stay at NT, which position he plays very well, and we’ve decided that we just need a DT/NT that can come in on 3rd downs or to spell Rat, then would it be plausible to draft a DT/NT that is in the mold of a Jay Ratliff?? Instead of looking for the next Jamal Williams?? I could easily see the Cowboys doing this and rotating a Ratliff clone in and out.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
by kameleon_o on Mar 24, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thing is I don't know what measurable produces a Jay Ratliff
by AustonianAggie on Mar 24, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody knows.
But I don’t know that about any player for that matter. We could draft a prototype NT who looks like Jamal Williams twin and he might play like Williams sister. It’s still a crap shoot either way you go.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
by kameleon_o on Mar 24, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kameleon......
you are exactly correct. Even the so called experts don’t always get it right. That’s why I’m against giving out all this money to unproven rookies thinking that they are going to be Super-Stars and they end up putting you in cap-Hell. It’s totally unfair to the older proven players that these young guys make more than they do when they havent done anything yet.
by texstar on Mar 24, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
All I’m saying I guess is that nobody knows if any player is going to be any good, regardless of their measurables or if they fit some mold. So we shouldn’t be afraid if we see some great DT slip that most “experts” say can only play DT in a 4-3 or DE in a 3-4. If he’s a good player then we should figure out a way to get him on the field. Olshanky himself was a DT in college.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
by kameleon_o on Mar 24, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a lot of it is player development.......
I think sometimes scouts/experts have guys pegged as a certain scheme etc. The reality is, a lot of times if you develop players and stick with your scheme, these players can be great or on the flip side be busts.
by texstar on Mar 24, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hood has tons of hype
I don’t think he makes back to 51
by birdness on Mar 24, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 Ziggy Hood is a Ratliff clone....and would love for him to drop to 51....would make for a tough decision for sure..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 24, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know....
I hope your right, but Ratliff has alot of intangibles.
He might have size and speed, but Ratliff is really a different type of cat because his hands are so strong.
He also has a high motor, so we’ll see.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 24, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually many would argue Hood is actually better than Ratliff going into the draft...
Hood – projected 1st rounder
Ratliff – not so much.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 24, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So.....
he might be, he might not be. What’s your point?
Did I ever say that he won’t be better then Ratliff or doesn’t have the potential? No. I said that there are unmeasurable qualities that Ratliff had that put him in the 7th round.
So what are you debating exactly?
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 24, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not debating anything..you made it out to sound like Ratliff was a better prospect going into the draft...
factually, that’s not true..
hind sight shows the evaluators were wrong with Ratliff..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 24, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on...
I never said that.
I said that you can’t measure in Ratliff what makes Ratliff so good.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 24, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Take him if he drops.
Keeping both guys fresh will make most of us forget that they aren’t the coveted “space-eaters”.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 24, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ziggy is a 1st rounder for sure
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Mar 24, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vance Walker was a very good player at GT
He was active, he would make plays in the backfield. He’s got some quicks and can disrupt things. In a way I can see a comparison to the way Rat plays. The GT defensive line was stacked last year with DE (probable 3-4 OLB) Michael Johnson who will go early on the first day and Darryl Richard, another DT, who is also a player and about the highest character guy you’ll ever find. On the other end sophomore-turning-junior Derrick Morgan is a player who you’ll hear about in the future now that Johnson is leaving. In the middle of all that talent Walker more than held his own. He’s a good player (as is Richard) and I would love to pick him up later if we don’t jump on a NT early.
by Dave Halprin on Mar 24, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is is true what they say about Johnson's motor being inconsistent?
I only saw Tech about twice this season.
I gave up torture for Lent. Between now and Easter plagiarists will be humanely euthanized.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Mar 24, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He didn't make the jump in dominance
from his junior year to his senior that everybody expected, He definitely had times were he wasn’t as effective as he should be given his freakish athletic talent. Part of it was that the rest of the line was so good that they actually took away some of the big plays that he might have made. The Morgan kid from the other side was also benefiting from the attention paid to Johnson. I also think his skills might be better suited as a 3-4 OLB than a hands-down DE. He can really move and out in space it’s hard to control him. Every game he at least makes one play where your jaw drops because it’s a thing of beauty. He might need some coaching-up in terms of making every play count but I think he’ll do just fine in the NFL.
by Dave Halprin on Mar 24, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
After reading several reports on the GT linemen, I think it's D Richard that fits the mold of 3-4 DL better..
but i never seen either play……
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 24, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
VANCE Walker..
.. I think I like this guy… He just sounds right.
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
by Jim Vance on Mar 24, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
He’s not real big, not real fast. I think Scandrick would be a better FS.
by birdness on Mar 24, 2009 12:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He's got bust written all over him...pass
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 24, 2009 12:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Which safeties do you like?
Most of them are not real big or real fast. Delmas is becomming the highest rated, but there’s little to separate him from Moore, Johnson, Chung, Vauagn, Hamlin, Bruton, Clemons Greene … I hope Jerry doesn’t feel the need to trade up from #51 to catch his guy when at least one will be there at #69 if not #101.
by birdness on Mar 24, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Delmas is easily the most complete safety in the draft
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Mar 24, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only thing if we get Delmas.....
we’ll never hear the end of it with Terry defending both Delmas and Romo-LOL. Im teasing Terry.
by texstar on Mar 24, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Romo isn't the only player on the team I defend
I defend many more but it since Romo gets bashed the most, I’m sure its perceived he’s the only player I defend.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Mar 24, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree that he's easily the most complete
I like Delmas, but I don’t think it’s a big jump between him, R Johnson, and Chung.
I like Rashad Johnson a little more because every review on him lists his outstanding football IQ and he’s more of a ballhawk.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Mar 24, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it also states he's too small and can't hold up against NFL sized mosters that are going to be bearing down on him like Grizzly Bears..
he can’t shed blocks, and isn’t the fastest car in the garage..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 24, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sounds like Bob Sanders
and tell me you wouldn’t want him playing for the Cowboys in a heartbeat
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Mar 25, 2009 7:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
before or after he spends his 10th stint on the bench licking his wounds ?
btw…..to compare a very strong, stout fireplug like Sanders, a too short (5’8") but legit 206lbs, to a 5’11" boyish frame of a 186lb weakling in Johnson is irresponsible…you know darn well they are not built the same…..
plus when you factor in that Sanders has only started 42 of a possible 80 game in 5 seasons due to injury, I’d pass on him as well…Sanders 5 INT’s in 5 seasons isn’t exactly what I’m looking for at Safety…..pass on Johnson !!!
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 25, 2009 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep he's a beast but I agree...
I think Bob Sanders has only started one complete season.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 25, 2009 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was refering to Delmas, not Johnson
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by Terry on Mar 25, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well....keep in spirit of the thread will ya :-) We were obviously discussing Johnson...
Delmas is better built than Johnson for sure, but still far from an imposing presense in the secondary…..I’d take him with reservations as to how well he’ll project in thr NFL.
btw…Sanders has never started in, or played a complete season in his 5 year career…..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 25, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
I thought he played a complete season when he won defensive MVP?
Maybe he just missed a couple of games…. either way I gotcha.
He is hurt ALOT. You can only last so long being a five foot eight hard hitter.
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by AirforceBat on Mar 25, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
here's Sanders stats from NFL. com.....
He has never completed a season.http://www.nfl.com/players/bobsanders/careerstats?id=SAN287153
by texstar on Mar 25, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thoughts on passing on S this year?
what if we pass on Safety EARLY this year? is sensabaugh good enough for a 1 year patch? i hear next year’s safety class is godly? i don’t really know, i haven’t read up onthe class or really know anyone…
but if next years S class has a playmaker in it, why not patch up S this year, hope it holds out ( maybe take a flier on a guy in the late rounds) and try and fill other positions of need like OL or ILB or NT early
by CowboysFan4Life on Mar 24, 2009 3:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
be honest...the top guys are so tight, i'm not sure who's going to end up the best....there is differences between the SS and the FS prospects...so you can't just group them all together...
Regardless of next years crop, we need immediate upgrade to our overall DB depth this year….My boy Court Brown hasn’t stepped up, I don’t see us resigning K Davis, Roy W is gone, no Henry to move over, and Pat Watkins will get beat out this year in camp…so we draft one early this year…and draft another one early next year ….
These are my preferences, my order, and where i see them being drafted:
SS-
W Moore- early 2nd
C Vaughn- mid 2nd
P Chung- mid 2nd
D Bruton- early 3rd
M Hamlin- late 3rd
C Greene- mid 4th
O Wiley- mid 5th
E Cook- late 5th
FS-
Sean Smith- late 1st
Louis Delmas- early 2nd
Jarius Bryd- mid 2nd
Darcel McBath- early 3rd
Rashad Johnson- mid 3rd
Sherrod Martin- mid 3rd
Victor Harris- late 3rd
D Pegues- mid 4th
We need one of these 16 prospects no matter what……If we got two of them, we’d being doing alright.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 24, 2009 4:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Most Draft sites have Rashad Johnson in their Top 50 players... How is he a mid-3rd guy?
Put in the tape… Kid is a ball hawk, and he’s without a doubt better than Chip Vaughn, Darcel McBath, and Jairus Byrd…
by N41D on Mar 24, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Rashad
But I don’t think I’d take him instead of Byrd. Byrd can play either CB or FS plus return punts, and is as smart and savvy as Johnson. Pretty equal players, but his experience as a CB and PR gives him an edge. I’d put both at the end of the 2nd, top of the 3rd.
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by APerfectStar on Mar 24, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's your opinion...I guess I should tell you to put on tape of those 3 and point out the differences...besides
Besides the fact that all three are bigger, stronger, and faster than Johnson……..ok ?? now what ?
btw…show me a link that projects Johnson in the top 50 ???
I’ll show you one that has him correctly slotted at #84 where he belongs.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 24, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The fact that McBath and Vaughn aren't any good in coverage doesn't bother you?
Well, I guess if you want another RW/Hamlin situation where neither safety can play the pass, that’s fine… But I don’t agree at all…
And McBath or Byrd aren’t any bigger, faster, or stronger than Johnson to begin with… At least not according to their combine #s… Care to spew any other BS while you’re at it?
And there’s plenty of places that have Johnson in the Top 50… If you’ve looked around at all you’ve seen them, so I’m not gonna waste my time pulling up links…
by N41D on Mar 25, 2009 2:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where do you find that McBath is no good in coverage?
I’ve only watched 2.5 games of his, but I never got that impression. I definitely did not see anything that suggested he be any worse than Hamlin/Roy. BTW, Hamlin really isn’t that bad in coverage; he really hasn’t had much help from his counterparts.
Byrd may be rated higher because of his experience at CB/PR. If this Johnson guy is the ball hawk you say he is, then that’s what Big D needs. Honestly, I think that McBath best represents that type of player in this draft.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 26, 2009 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
here you go N4... you can thank me later for doing all your dirty work...
And there’s plenty of places that have Johnson in the Top 50… If you’ve looked around at all you’ve seen them, so I’m not gonna waste my time pulling up links…
Here…I did “look around” for you……So tell me again…
How many draft sites have you seen Rashad Johnson among the top 50 prospects ?
http://drafttek.com/2009players.asp
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings?&start_row=51
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/top64.php?draftyear=2009
http://fantasyfootball.com/article/Top-100-Prospects/32333
http://walterfootball.com/draft2009_3.php
http://www.nfldraftbible.com/Players/Property/2009-Big-Board/name/asc/Page-12.html
http://draftboardinsider.com/
http://warroomreport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=359&Itemid=93
http://www.draftace.com/bigboard.htm
http://cdsdraft.com/rankings/top-100/
Yeah see….I “waste” my time to prove my points, and I will also “waste” my time to disprove your claims…It’s called due diligence…
Care to spew any other BS while you’re at it?
Yeah…Don’t cop attitude, or use a disparaging tone in your writing with me guy. If you want a sound, intellectual debate, or discussion, using factual data, first hand experiences, or inside info that may bring light to your opinions, I welcome that, and I love to entertain different viewpoints, and hear others insight on various matters. By you getting upset,, and all work up because I don’t go along with your understanding of a player is uncalled for, and unwarranted.
example: APerfectStar:
I like Rashad
But I don’t think I’d take him instead of Byrd. Byrd can play either CB or FS plus return punts, and is as smart and savvy as Johnson. Pretty equal players, but his experience as a CB and PR gives him an edge. I’d put both at the end of the 2nd, top of the 3rd.
Yeah see, This is a perfect evaluation of Dairus Bryd, and precisely why I (and the majority of all draft experts) have him rated higher overall than Rashad Johnson. I personally believe, DB- Dairus Byrd should be our selection at #51, if available, because of those various attributes.
Please don’t try to impose your beliefs onto me, I haven’t told you to follow my draft rankings….I have no problems at all debating with anyone on here, in fact I encourage it, but telling me my opinion is wrong, and your opinion is right without anything in front of you to support your stance, will only bring out the best in me, and usually, like I have done here with resounding results, I’ll end up being the one that’s right all the time…And that’s not what I come here to do.
Your opinion is yours…..Mine is mine …..let’s leave it at that, and move on.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 25, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
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