Jerry Jones and the Great Misconception
As sports fans, we sometimes allow ourselves to get so caught up in the way things have always been, that we ignore change when it does occur. We often associate a certain trend or tradition with a certain team or player. Sometimes that association is etched so deeply into our minds, that that particular perception sticks with us even when it is no longer reality.
Sports are filled with inaccurate perceptions. For example, the Pittsburgh Steelers no longer have a "smash-mouth" offense who will "run it down your throat." In reality the Steelers struggle to run the football at all. However, our minds have been conditioned by decades of Bill Cowher and Chuck Knoll, so we associate the Steelers with conservative, power football. Many of us still think of the Big Ten as the dominant conference in college football. It is difficult for us to picture Shaquille O'Neal as anything less than the unstoppable entity he once was.
There are many inaccurate perceptions about Jerry Jones. Some are simply untrue, others are just no longer true. In recent years, the press has seemed hell-bent on forcing Jerry Jones into the same category as Daniel Snyder and Al Davis. Nowadays, Jerry Jones' name is often accompanied by a smirk and a snicker. This is the part I don't understand. If you are a nobody like ESPN's Jemele Hill or Tim Hasselbeck, who the hell are you to poke fun at a billionaire with three Super Bowl rings? There are many who wish to categorize Jerry Jones as a wild, untamed, free-spending, football know-nothing. To you, I offer these truths to your misconceptions.
"Oh, you that know Jerry Jones. Those Cowboys aren't a team, they're just a collection of free agents."
Really? Take this into consideration. When the Dallas Cowboys kicked off the 2008 season against the Cleveland Browns, the Cowboys' starting lineup consisted of 16 players (9 on offense, 7 on defense) who were lifetime Cowboys. Adam Jones started for an injured Terence Newman, so in reality you could push the number to 17. Furthermore, the kicker, punter, nickel corner, third down back, and situational pass rusher were all homegrown Cowboy products. Of the 58 players currently under contract with the Dallas Cowboys, 33 have never worn another uniform. The truth is, the current Dallas Cowboys have been constructed in the same fashion that most championship teams have. This team was built through the draft, and supplemented via free agency.
"Jerry Jones is all about flash. The Cowboys are built from the outside in."
Is that so? Back to school we go. For those who insist that Jerry Jones is an owner who is obsessed with flash and perimeter players, chew on this. When the Cowboys selected Felix Jones in the first round of the 2008 draft, he became the first offensive player selected by the Cowboys in the first round since 1997. The Cowboys selected Pittsburgh receiver Antonio Bryant with the 63rd selection (2nd round) of the 2002 draft. Before that the Cowboys had not used a first or second round selection on a receiver since taking Miami wideout Kevin Williams with the 46th pick (2nd round) in the 1993 draft.
Yes, Jerry Jones spent big money to bring in Terrell Owens in 2006, and Roy Williams this past season. Before that, when was the last time the Cowboys brought in a big money running back, quarterback, or receiver? Well I guess there was the trade for Joey Galloway. Yeah, about a decade ago, let it go.
Jerry Jones has spent first rounder after first rounder trying to shore up the Cowboys defense. In the last decade, his biggest free agent splashes have been defensive guys like LaRoi Glover (DT), Jason Ferguson (DT), and Anthony Henry (CB). When the Cowboys have spent money on offense, it has gone to offensive linemen like Marco Rivera (OG), Kyle Kosier (OG), and Leonard Davis (OG). Does this sound like a team constructed around perimeter players, or team built around defense and offensive line play?
"The Cowboys sign everybody! That Jerry Jones just goes hog wild in free agency!"
Is that right? Contrary to popular perception, the Cowboys have not been major players in free agency for quite some time. The last time the Cowboys made a big splash in free agency was in 2005, when Jerry Jones aided his "football guy" Bill Parcells in putting his signature on the Dallas Cowboys. That season, Dallas brought in Jason Ferguson (DT), Marco Rivera (OG), and Anthony Henry (CB), none of whom are with the team currently.
In 2006, the Cowboys signed six free agents. This particular group was headlined by Terrell Owens (WR), but he was the only big-money guy. The Cowboys signed mid-level players Akin Ayodele (LB), and Kyle Kosier (OG) to mid-level deals, and acquired some "nuts and bolts" type of players in Ryan Hannam (TE), Jason Fabini (OT), and Rocky Boiman (LB). The Cowboys signed only Leonard Davis (OG) and Ken Hamlin (FS) in 2007. Davis got big-time money, but has also turned in two Pro Bowl seasons. Hamlin was plucked out of the free agent salvage yard for cheap, and had a Pro Bowl season of his own. In 2008, the Cowboys were non-factors in free agency, outside of the low-risk signing of Zach Thomas (LB).
Here in 2009, Jerry Jones has fought temptation by not overpaying for Ray Lewis as many expected. He refused to overpay to retain Chris Canty, and did not overextend himself on guys like Albert Haynesworth or Gibril Wilson. No big names, no blockbuster trades, just more nuts and bolts. A slight upgrade at weak inside linebacker (Keith Brooking), a slight upgrade a backup quarterback (John Kitna), a formidable replacement for Canty at end (Igor Olshansky), and a new strong safety (Gerald Sensabaugh) who can actually cover. All that for less than what it would have cost to retain Chris Canty. Who's not a football guy?
When Jerry Jones does throw money at free agents, it is usually to retain his own guys. Sure, he may have paid a few guys before he really had to. It's fair to say that he jumped the gun by extending Terrell Owens, and possibly Marion Barber. On the other side of that coin, imagine the kind of ransom Jay Ratliff may have commanded this off season had Jerry not extended his contract in late 2007. Imagine what it would have cost to retain Terence Newman after Nnamdi Asomugha wrecked the curve with his ridiculous 3-year/$45.3 million contract.
Locking up Tony Romo was a good thing. Keeping Flozell Adams was a must considering the alternatives. Giving DeMarcus Ware whatever the hell he wants before he hits free agency is a not even up for debate. Isn't continuity the thing that everyone praises the Colts and Steelers for? What in the world is wrong with spending money to keep your own guys?
"Jerry Jones wants to make money. Winning is not the priority in Dallas."
Are you nuts? Jerry Jones wants to win so bad he can't help himself. I'm no business expert, but I bet Jerry Jones didn't build his billion dollar empire by sitting back and letting other people work. Jerry Jones is a go-getter, and go-getters don't sit on their hands, they make moves. Jerry Jones, like many other successful people, got to where he is by rolling the dice. That's the only way he knows how to play. Maybe Jerry does meddle a bit, but it is because he wants to win so bad that he feels he needs to be involved. By the way, he does own the team.
Inaccurate perceptions aside, Jerry Jones has not been the wild, un-educated free-spender that most perceive him to be. Jerry Jones has built his team largely through the draft, and made defense a priority. No one likes to admit their mistakes; billionaires more so than the rest of us. While Jerry may not come out and admit his errors, he always corrects them. Since the season's conclusion, Jerry Jones has blown up no fewer than three of his own projects. Pacman Jones is gone, Tank Johnson is gone, Terrell Owens is gone.
Jerry Jones isn't perfect, but what owner is? He may be a overbearing and a bit of a meddler at times, but this is America's team. I like the fact that Jerry Jones shakes things up when results don't meet expectations. I like the fact that he rewards his own players with fat contracts. I like the fact that he has the gumption to bring in a Terrell Owens, and I also like the fact that he knows when it is time to let him go. Say what you will but you won't budge me on this. I love the fact that Jerry Jones is the owner of my favorite team.
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Oooooooh
Great article!
I’ll see if I can think of some more misconceptions later.
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Mar 27, 2009 6:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+100000
Excellent write up!!
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
by gee-roj on Mar 27, 2009 6:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
MAN!! You ROCK!!
Great article. And you were dead on on. No one want to win more than Jerruh and he’ll do whatever he thinks it takes to do it, as witnessed by the release of Owens.
by John Boy on Mar 27, 2009 6:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Great Job Glory
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
by GunsUp on Mar 27, 2009 7:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Moves This Year Make Your Point
Trim the trash, Pacman and Tank. Cut your losses, TO , Roy Safety. Stay conservative but make necessary changes at coaching level; fire defensive coordinator and keep HC and OC, acquire new Special Teams Coach. Invest in the future by giving young guys a chance at WR and DE and DT and defensive secondary. Wise move at backup QB, and a trade to make sure securing Kitna was in fact accomplishd; getting rid of overpaid and over the hill corner Henry. Replaced TO by making key move in last season. Preparing for the uncapped year with contract extensions . . . preparing for post Jerry ownership and management roles for his son and others. The draft war room is functioning well as proven by last year’s A plus draft class and there is stability here. Key is that Jerry proved this in the most gut wrenching environment; last season and its aftermath.
by Iowacowboy on Mar 27, 2009 7:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
great post
there are so many inaccurate perceptions out there about this team and some of their players, coaches and obviously owner, you could write a book on them larger than War and Peace.
And the sad part is that so many of them are truly believed by Cowboys fans, especially on this blog.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Mar 27, 2009 7:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
WOW
Absolutely great post, dude. I agree 100%. Rec’d.
Hooah.
by .FRoST.USAF on Mar 27, 2009 7:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice Write Up...
On the funny side is the BOTOX a misconception too??
by thejanusman on Mar 27, 2009 8:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"Many of us still think of the Big Ten as the dominant conference in college football"
Dude… NOBODY thinks that. If anything, the perception is the opposite. But I digress. Your post makes alot of sense. It pains me to read those ‘Jerry is turning into Al Davis’ articles that the mediots are always drumming up.
I’ll take Jerry over any owner. Any day of the week. The guy wants to win.
by Boundforbeach on Mar 27, 2009 8:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What about The Ohio State?
Those guys kill me.
by birdness on Mar 27, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree
I live in Big Ten country and we know the SEC and Big 12 are much better. Much faster. But I agree 100% with your writeup on JJ. Great post Glory.
by illcowboy on Mar 28, 2009 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great piece
I’ve always considered Jones to be one of the best owners in professional sports.
by IronCowboy on Mar 27, 2009 8:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Great Article...
but any Cowboys fan already knows all this.
by j1veturkey on Mar 27, 2009 8:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I can absolutely, positively say...
That’s the best article you’ve written Carl.
I even like how you through out there about the Steelers and the perception that they are still a pound it down the throat team.
The Dallas points are all true and all fair.
The funny thing is when you hear people/read posts that are like “Jerry needs to start building through the draft.” That’s just funny because the large percentage of the players on the team are homegrown.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 27, 2009 8:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1 Excellent work Carl...One of the best ever seen on this site....Perception is a fraction of the truth..Many guilty parties throughout this site and beyond.
I’d hate to lose any of these BTB writers, but I’m looking to oust the joke blog writers over at those two “rags” printed in the DFW area, and replace them with the staff of BTB.
Grizz…..break out your marketing skills and present some “site hit data” to the big wigs that run those failing newspapers in DFW, and take over their blogging dept with a direct link to this site…..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 27, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even with Bill Cowher, the Steelers ran all sorts of trick plays
I think it is the black and gold uniforms that causes people to think the Steelers are a smashmouth team
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Mar 27, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
black and gold thing really irritates me
because their colors are actually black and yellow. The use gold because yellow is a whimpy color.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Mar 27, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
....
that really irritates you?
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 27, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it does because they're misrepresenting their team colors
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Mar 28, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does McDonalds irritate you?
The Golden Arches look yellow to me.
by DaBoys on Mar 29, 2009 6:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's also irritating that their helmet insignia is only on one side
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Mar 28, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another great contribution GD
I’ve said it a number of times already, your writing is excellent and this article is a perfect example. Very well done.
Let’s all face it, ESPN drives the sports media market place and they’re essentially the Walmart of media (no offense Walmart shoppers and employees). They’re gonna give us what is cheap and easy. It’s much easier to play on whatever the perceptions are rather than fight the current and provide an accurate viewpoint. Jerry enables a little when he shows up on the sideline. Signing TO and Pacman was further over the top than a lot of owners would have gone but I can’t argue with his motivation (at least what I think it was). I think he saw an opportunity to bring in potentially elite players who were “on sale” because of off field issues and decided it was a good business decision. I can’t argue with that logic.
by StillHateTheGiants on Mar 27, 2009 8:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bout time....
Great write up as always Glory.
Even when I don’t agree with his moves, I give it about 24 hours to get over it, then I do nothing but back him up.
He does more than any owner for his team and for the sport.
Gotta love em…..
Anomoly............Coming Soon.
by goat3000 on Mar 27, 2009 8:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
Great Topic and Great Read..a real pleasure. In an era of articles hell bent on furthering negative misconceptions, this article dives beneath it and grabs some truth.
by tb0n3 on Mar 27, 2009 8:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
great comment ( tb0n3 )
couldn’t have said it better.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 27, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't mind owner Jerry Jones,
and I am getting more comfortable with GM Jones. Last 13 yrs. of 1st round draft picks.
94-Shante Carver
95-N/A
96-N/A
97-David Lafleur
98-Greg Ellis
99-Ebenezer Ekuban
00-N/A
01-N/A
02-Roy Williams
03-Terence Newman
04-N/A
05-D.Ware/M.Spears
06-B. Carpenter
07-A. Spenser
08-F.Jones/M.Jenkins
Using a 1st (and a 3rd) for WR Roy Williams I was ok with.
When do you think that Jerry started thinking about cutting Owens? Was it before the Williams trade, after the trade but during the season, or after the season had finished?
by DaBoys on Mar 27, 2009 9:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A little bit of both.
Prior to last season Draft, Jerry tried hard to land Roy Williams before he gave that extension to Owens, that was one of the many mistakes of Matt Millen, it’s been reported that Jerry offered the same picks that in the end Millen accepted for Williams…
That to me means that Owens wouldn’t have been signed to an extension and that he may have been allowed to look for another deal elsewhere. A trade, maybe?
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
by Chandus on Mar 27, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Post. However...
I thought this was a very well-written and insightful column, HOWEVER, the one key perception of Jerry Jones that happens to actually be true was not adressed in this excellent post.
Jerry Jones undermines the authority of his head coach by allowing players to “go over the head of the coach” and come straight to Jones about this and that. When Parcells was here this didn’t happen, but with Coach Marshmallow, it does, and it’s detrimental to the team. It’s obvious that the players as a whole don’t have the necessary respect for Wade Phillips and the other coaches, as evidenced by the seemingly non-stop parade of media bytes where players blame this system or that system for last year’s failures. Well, the systems and the designers are still here, and are seemingly clueless in regards to how to get a handle on this situation. (I don’t believe Parcells would have done any better; his stubborness to adjust from a base 3-4 in the midst of 3 and 4 WR sets was remote-smashingly frustrating…you can earn respect and instill acountability without being a collasal p—-k.)
Another key perception that is negative and true and is symbiotically tied to the first perception above is the culture of a lack of accountability that has pervaded throughout the organization, and Jones is letting this happen and even helping foster it. When players don’t stand up and take blame, when coaches don’t stand up and take blame, and the buck gets passed faster than a Dan Marino skinny post, then that starts at the top with the man who lets it happen. Sure, Jones cut Pacman, Tank, T.O., Reed (ST coach), and Stewart. So what.
I love Jerry as an owner, and even as a GM, but he needs to let his coaches coach, and not get in the way, because this team will never win until he stops all of the nonsense that allows a direct path between him and the players and enforces a foundation of accountability.
by egtuna on Mar 27, 2009 9:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Please give me one good, factual example please - egtuna
Jerry Jones undermines the authority of his head coach by allowing players to "go over the head of the coach" and come straight to Jones about this and that.
Please….enlighten us. I would love to hear this detailed situation.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 27, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless news articles are wrong...
I’ve read in the past that Greg Ellis has complained to Jones about, jeeze, so many things. However, I am going to be recalcitrant, and admit that I may have been wrong to assume and post that the players go directly to Jones and that it undermines the coach without any specific evidence. However, the article (which I really liked) is all about perception, and I think there is the perception that players (some but not all? All?) have a direct line of communication with Jones that other owners/gms wouldn’t tolerate, and that the perception of this can be seen as undermining a head coach. Maybe I am buying too much into how I am perceiving things through the lens of the media, but what else do I have?
by egtuna on Mar 27, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with what you said
He does undermine his coaches sometimes, examples:
decreasing player fines to $100 (an absolute joke), taking it upon himself to deliver post game team chew outs, occasionally saying things detrimental to players, or that can be taken as detrimental like “the MB3 could have played” statement (I’m sure he would’ve liked that one back), going down to the sidelines during the game (he should stop that).
But considering all that, he’s still one of the best owners in the NFL, I really wouldn’t want anyone else. The guy will do and spend whatever he can to give the team the best chance to win games.
If he can only step out of the spot light and just let the coaches coach. Hopefully he’s beginning to do that.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Mar 27, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
That’s really my only problem with Jerry. I hated what he did with the fines. Reducing them to $100 showed that they were a joke in the first place. I don’t like any of the stuff he did that you just listed either. That was wrong. All that said though I wouldn’t trade him for anybody else.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
by kameleon_o on Mar 27, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry needs to stay off the field.
I can’t stand watching a close game and then cutting away to see Jerry fretting in the owners box. Suddenly faster than I can run to the head, he teleports down to the field. It creeps me out
by birdness on Mar 27, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha yea
even when we win though he’s on the field congratulating players etc.
he was also very pissed after the giants playoff loss lol
"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips
by MrMinority on Mar 27, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better watch out...
Jean Jacques Taylor may be reading…haha!
by TheCowboyFan on Mar 27, 2009 9:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oops
Guess I got a little too vitriolic. My bad. I happen to agree with JJT, though when it comes to Wade Phillips as a Head Coach. He’s not a leader of men. He’s fantastic at Xs&Os.
by egtuna on Mar 27, 2009 9:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think...
He is a good coach. I think it’s more about players paying attention and actually listening (O-line) to the coaches. From what I saw last season, some were brain dead in some points of the late season games. Taylor is a wannabe writer trying to be creative with each article. His articles are hard to read.
by TheCowboyFan on Mar 27, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
I’m sorry this isn’t directed specifically at you. I just find it funny that there are so many people who use terms that are more associated with the military then football.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 27, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice work GD
I agree, JJ gets a bad wrap, and it’s mostly garbage talk. He’s among the best sports team owners today if you ask me.. We could sure do a hell of a lot worse, that’s for sure.
by sublimezg on Mar 27, 2009 9:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and one of my favorite arguments
when people say, “how many SB rings has Jerrah earned after Jimmy Johnson left?” is simply this:
How many SB rings has Jimmy earned since he left Jerrah?
Great post.
I commented. You're welcome.
another transplant from The Blue & Silver Report
by bulldog jeeper on Mar 27, 2009 10:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but Jimmy has had two playoff wins in the same span that this franchise hasn't even had one.
Of course if Jimmy would’ve foreseen the utter hellhammering the Jags were gonna give him a week later in his final game as a coach, he probably would’ve gladly jobbed to the Seahawks.
by MadMick on Mar 27, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought we got one
from Switzer. So that’s at least one after Jimmy. It doesn’t matter anyway. I loved Jimmy and always will, but he is not the end all be all coach.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
by GunsUp on Mar 27, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember one game, I think in Philly,
where fans were heckling Jerry with things like “Hey Jerry!! Where’s Jimmy??!!”. Jerry turned around real quick and said “Still looking for his third ring.” Classic.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
by kameleon_o on Mar 27, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never heard that one. Stick it to em Jerry.
And of course the Philly still looking for its first! Ouch!
by squidlo97 on Mar 28, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of the announcers told the story.
I didn’t actually see it but it sounds like Jerry. Just like when the owners were all sitting around at one of their meetings and Mike Brown and Ralph Wilson were bi**hing about owners not sharing the naming rights revenue, and Jerry told Mike Brown (who named his taxpayer financed stadium after his Dad) that he’d buy the naming rights to the Bengals’ stadium for $5 mill because he could double in about 10 minutes.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
by kameleon_o on Mar 28, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Jones has learned something about drafting, but I don't buy
that his interference hasn’t hurt more than helped this team. For all the maneuvering, and all the draft picks and money he’s spent on the O line and the defense, they’re still not solid. There’s a huge question mark about the coaching staff, particularly WP. If you’re going to credit Jones for the good moves, then he should also get blame for the bad. It has still been more than 12 years since the Cowboys have had a playoff win; players and coaches have come and gone (sometimes really, really quickly); the one constant presence in that time has been Jerry Jones. Do I think he’s learned some things? Yes. Do I think he’s a great businessman? Yes. Do I think he’s a great GM. Not yet.
by Fernie67 on Mar 27, 2009 10:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the article...
Is saying he’s without some huge faults. I think it’s just saying that there are alot of things that are blown out of proportion.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 27, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With all due respect to the writer, and it is a good column, I think it over-emphasizes
his virtues as a GM and under-emphasizes his faults. In other words, I think it blows his virtues out of proportion, although I do agree that Jones hasn’t gotten credit for having learned a few things over the years. JJ doesn’t just meddle “a bit.”
by Fernie67 on Mar 27, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I take your point, I guess it depends on your definition of "meddle"
There’s no question Jones is actively involved. If you think he has nothing to add, I guess you would consider any involvement meddling. That word has a negative implication to me. Like others here have said, he’s been in the business of professional football now for 20 years, at some point he maybe should be given credit for having some level of expertise beyond signing checks. I would like him to stay off the sidelines a little more on game days :).
by StillHateTheGiants on Mar 27, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry the Football Guy
Have to laugh every time I hear that Jerry needs to bring in a football guy. At what point of being the GM for 20 years does Jerry get to become a football guy. There are more than a few general manager football guys in the NFL that do a pitiful job with their team.
Jerry has his problems but he seems to be working to become a better GM. He listened to his scouts last year in the draft, and signed good free agents as this article illustrates. He now needs to work on letting the coach lead the team. Maybe this year he makes progress in that direction by telling some TO wanna be that comes whining to his door- ‘take it to the coach’. Will it happen? Hope springs eternal!
by sixrings09 on Mar 27, 2009 10:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd
great article.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by what_the_crap on Mar 27, 2009 10:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I have NEVER fallin in love with anyones writing style other than our very own Rafeal Vela, im actually pretty disspapointed that hes nolonger the only writer cuz i used to come daily in anticipationn like a four year old before chirstmas just to read his posts… HOWEVER GD, with a few more posts like these, you will definatly have made me have a man crushh on your writing. good stuff buddy, glad to have you
by missingthe90s on Mar 27, 2009 10:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Crow-n
Odd title I know but it befits what I think the simple truth is, most owners sit back and speak through their coach. If forced they only vomit up the safe, the mundane, the rehearsed. Jerry is more real and more “loud” if you will. He is a crow, a crying owner (like town cryer not the tearful type) and he is trying, in an outward way, to get us more titles…thus crowns. If you saw Rooney’s decisions through his words instead of his coaches you would probably feel similarly about him…when things did not work out.
All this kind of talk and conjecture ends when we actually go somewhere in the playoffs.
by LiveNDieBlue on Mar 27, 2009 10:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good read
thank you GloryDayz88!
by Thehomerpimpson on Mar 27, 2009 10:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Colin Cowherd
is a jackazz. The end.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by what_the_crap on Mar 27, 2009 11:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't even believe the crap he spouts
It’s all about the ratings. Many, many, many Cowbows fans in the world, so antagonize them, the calls come in, Cowherd’s numbers look good, his management is happy. Just like Skippy.
by birdness on Mar 27, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
Cowherd inspired this, although I like him most of the time.
I gave up torture for Lent. Between now and Easter plagiarists will be humanely euthanized.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Mar 27, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice work
That was a fantastic article. You make a ton of sense.
by eliason on Mar 27, 2009 11:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Carl...
… always does a good job of articulating his point. I’m not the man-crush kind of guy (not that there’s anything wrong with that!) but I do enjoy reading Carl’s take on things.
Are guys like Todd Haley or Josh McDaniels ‘football guys’?
How about Scott Pioli, the wunderkind of NFL GMs? His NFL career began in 1992, he’s a ‘football guy’ – right?
Well, Jerry Jones has been in the pro-football business, and has been very successful at it, for a longer period than any of these guys. If Jerry Jones is not a ‘football guy’, then who the hell is?
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
by Jim Vance on Mar 27, 2009 12:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jerry Jones Is An Enigma
He will not balk at spending whatever is needed to improve the team.It seems that he has learned to listen to the football guys on draft day.Maybe he learned his lesson when Quincy Carter nearly made him a laughing stock on draft day and beyond.
I hope he is through meddling in coaching decisions.I still wonder why Parcells left like he did.
The bottom line on Jerry is he wats to win as much as we fans do.Many love him and many hate him but he is what we have and we have to take him or leave him.We could have a Snyder or Davis you know.
I for one liked all his moves so far this year with addition by subtraction.He has made us a contender now it’s up to Wade and Tony to get to the playoffs and win.
by TCB Orange Dino on Mar 27, 2009 12:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know anymore than you
But something makes me think it was the players who drove Parcells away. I don’t think this group has the make up that Parcells flourishes with. Lots of mental breakdowns, not real disciplined etc.
by StillHateTheGiants on Mar 27, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why Parcells Left
My Opinion on Parcells:
Parcells left because his style of coaching has a shelf life of about three years. He disrespects players who are grown men, treats people like garbage, tries to take credit for everything good and blames others for failures. I have zero respect for him as a coach or a person. In your post you said the players drove Parcells away – you are correct, but they drove him away from Dallas because they refused to play for a jerk anymore, not because they were undisciplined. Good for them.
As a head coach, Bill Parcells is really good at turning crappy teams into competitive teams quickly thorough intimidation and tyranny. Then is act grows old really, really fast and he is forced to move on to avoid a mutiny. His coaching style would have been perfect in the 1960’s and 1970’s. He got away with it in the 1980’s but in the modern era he is a dinosaur. I couldn’t be happier he left Dallas and I suspect the vast majority of players who were on the Cowboys roster were all cracking six-packs when the news of his departure was announced. His supposed influence over the draft is vastly overstated and in general he failed in Dallas. Good Riddance.
by Cowboy Louie on Mar 27, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're not totally wrong....
but you’re definitly not totally right either.
I think in the long run, him being in Dallas helped Jerry and the organization.
He didn’t take Dallas back to a Super Bowl, but if you don’t think that he didn’t leave the organization better than it was when he inherited it, your crazy.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 27, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
then why do all his former player absolutely love him?
once again Louie, way off base.
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by Terry on Mar 28, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JJ has learned from his mistakes
I just wish he had released the Legendary Tom Landry in a respectful way!
by BishopWest on Mar 27, 2009 12:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bullplop!
What is the Cowboys’ record since Johnson was oustered… like 95-95? As Johnson’s players left and were replaced by Jone’s, the record tumbled. Go to the Cowboys’ website and check out the rosters from 1992-2000. Talk about going from the Penthouse to the Outhouse!
Here are the truths about Jerry:
He wants to win Super Bowls
He is willing to spend the money necessary to win Super Bowls
He is willing to re-evaluate/re-formulate his approach to an extent
He will always undercut his head coach to please a star player… coaches are easier to replace
The Cowboys will always lack discipline and mental toughness under his reign as a result
He will never see the Cowboys win another Super Bowl while he is in control of the team
I love my ‘Boys, but I am convinced we will never win it all under Jerry. We made it to and won SBXXX because Jimmy had assembled more talent than any other team. But now, we don’t have that talent level, and we need coaching to make up the difference. With Jerry controlling the coaching, it never will.
by HutHut on Mar 27, 2009 2:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
so according to you
the Cowboys will never win a SB so long as Jerry is alive because we know the reality of the situation is that he will always have final say over all football decisions so long as he is alive and competent.
That is truly a depressing thought and one that I strongly disagree with.
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by Terry on Mar 27, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The one constant?
What has changed since the Cowboys last won a playoff game? Different head coaches, different OCs, different QBs, different WRs, etc. To his credit, Jerry has tried almost every combination looking for the winning formula.
What has remained constant during more than a decade of playoff-futility? Same GM.
Look, maybe Jerry is a better GM after 20 years, but I didn’t see any mention in Carl’s article of Jerry’s improved abilities translating to playoff success. If Jerry continues to undermine his coaches and coddle star players, it may even longer before we see another playoff win or Super Bowl championship.
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by fgoodwin on Mar 27, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All Jerry can do though is be a good GM.
That’s all ANY GM can do. He’s very good at it right now. Do players and picks sometimes not work out?? Do FA’s not fulfill expectations?? Sure. Just like with every team in the league. Just like they do with the Patriots. The difference between what Pioli has done with them and what Jerry has done with us is that Pioli had a HC in Bellichek that took those players and won with them. Jerry hasn’t been able to find his HC that can do that yet. Is that his fault?? Of course it is but SuperBowl winning HC’s don’t grow on trees. I think Jerry’s done the best he could do to find that HC. It just hasn’t worked out.
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by kameleon_o on Mar 27, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you're right
and I’m wrong. But seriously, I haven’t seen anything that makes me think I am wrong.
The problem is he has final say over all football decisions and he ISN’T competent. He is a great owner from the standpoint of wanting so badly to win. He’s a horrible owner from the standpoint that he won’t make the one change this team needs most.
You are right, it is truly depressing.
by HutHut on Mar 27, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Early on he sucked, but not now.
Jerry’s post Jimmy drafts sucked. Chasing Galloway with two picks was a bad move (maybe not, the guy is still in the league and may have a big year for the Pats). Cycling through a series of weak coaches was a bad move.
Now look at the recent Jerry, he waited to determine the market prior to signing Leonard Davis. He’s moving around the draft to get his players are decent value (trading out with the Browns then back in with the Iggles to land Spencer). Last year the number one priority was CB help instead of placing all his eggs in Pacman’s basket, Jerry drafted both Jenkins and Scandrick. This year free agency has been solid. Canty was nice, but look what we now have instead.
by birdness on Mar 27, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Isn't competent"
Sure he isn’t.
Most people become millionaires and owners of the the biggest football franchises in the world because they are incompetent.
Once again, did you ever read Carl’s article?
There isn’t anything in there that doesn’t say that Jerry has had some MAJOR faults, and there isn’t anything in there that says he definitly will turn it around.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 27, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry AFB
No disrespect intended, but your post is nonsensical.
We’re discussing his competence as a GM, not whether or not he is competent to be rich. I mean, come on, think through what you typed, what you responded to and you’ll see just how ridiculous your comment is…
He’s competent as an oil baron, but would you let him conduct brain surgery on you simply because he has demonstrated deal-making abilities in the Texas panhandle?
In the same vein, he is an outstanding owner. His record as a GM would get him fired if he wasn’t the owner. Anyone who isn’t looking at this through Jerry-colored lenses would agree (and most have!).
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by 5Blings on Mar 27, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying he's without faults.
Was he or wasn’t he the guy that was competent enough to hire Jimmy Johnson to come on board in the first place?
You can call me ridiculous all you want, but the dude isn’t a complete football idiot.
He has had a very harsh learning curve, and if you go back and look at ALOT of what I’ve written in the past, you’ll know that I’m as critical of him as the next guy.
Don’t come out and start something “no disrespect” and then tell me how ridiculous I am.
When you call someone incompetent, to me that means they have no football knowledge at all.
Jerry isn’t incompetent, Jerry has been an egomaniac. He got so cocky after the Jimmy era, that he really and truely believe he could put anybody out there.
Incompetence to me is someone who can’t learn at all, and the truth is, that Jerry has changed alot of things for the better.
So is that “sensical” enough for you?
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 27, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would Jerry have fired a GM with this record?
Jerry has been quick (or slow, depending on your POV) to fire HCs to try and find the winning combination.
Suppose the Cowboys had had a GM not named Jones since 1989. Would Jerry have fired that GM after more than a dozen years of playoff failure?
The only reason he hasn’t done so is his ego.
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by fgoodwin on Mar 27, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure he would have...
I’m not debating that at all, but the dude isn’t totally incompetent.
He has the mental capacity to do well but his ego has gotten in his way quite a bit.
I’ve never thought Jerry was stupid, just stubborn. There is a difference.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 27, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would we have won a playoff game with another guy as the GM??
Can you fault the job Jerry has done bringing talent to the Cowboys?? Which happens to be the job of the GM?? He’s done that job as well as anyone in the league.
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by kameleon_o on Mar 27, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe -- but I notice you didn't answer my question
Would Jerry fire a GM that had not produced a single playoff win in over a dozen years? How long do you give a GM to produce a winner? How long would Jerry give a GM to produce a winner if the GM were anyone other than himself?
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by fgoodwin on Mar 28, 2009 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say he probably would have but that doesn't change the validity of my point.
He’s made mistakes but I can’t honestly point to too many things that he’s done lately that I could say “Right there!! If he hadn’t done that we would have won a playoff game. Or if he had done that we would have won one.” I just don’t see it. For the last few years now he’s been as good as it gets as a GM.
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by kameleon_o on Mar 28, 2009 2:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Jerry is a better GM now
But back in the early ‘90s he wanted all the credit for the Cowboys’ success, credit he wasn’t willing to share with Jimmy (“Any of 500 coaches”, remember?), which is one reason Jimmy left.
If Jerry wanted the credit then for our playoff success, then he gets the blame now for our playoff failure. That’s all I’m saying, not there’s anything I or you or anyone else can do about it . . .
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by fgoodwin on Mar 28, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
I’d say he hasn’t been a competent GM.
You got defensive when I attacked the content of your message. Unfortunately, the message is still lacking in foundation; juxtaposing the skills that led to Jerry’s wealth with the ongoing question of his competence as a GM does not work at all and you just can’t run away from that.
Your next statement shows we simply define things differently. If we both look up the word incompetent and then see if it still sits well with “no football knowledge at all”, I think we’ll find that it simply directs us toward someone’s ability to complete a task or job. As an owner, Jerry has in spades. As a GM, Jerry hasn’t.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Mar 27, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK....
I mistakingly responded more to the main article than to the poster itself.
You could have just said “Well he wasn’t competent as a GM.”.
Which we can agree or disagree on that, fine.
Instead you go on a whole tangent calling what I said ridiculous, insensical, and then making a comparison that is talking to me like I’m a fourth grade student.
What I said wasn’t wrong anyways, it just related more to the article than the post.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 28, 2009 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His decisions on personnel have been competent.
It hasn’t worked out yet. That sucks but saying he isn’t competent isn’t true IMO. He’s done everything he could do to help the Cowboys win, most of the moves have been good, and I don’t believe that there’s anyway anyone can say that if we had a different GM we would have won in the postseason. Instead, we’d just be calling for that guys head and then patting ourselves on the back because that guy got held accountable. Getting rid of Jerry would just be a feel good move.
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by kameleon_o on Mar 27, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
Kam,
Can you post the basis for that headline please?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Mar 27, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, under his watch as the GM the last few years he's presided over an
influx of talent to the Dallas Cowboys that is as good as any team in the league. We may not have had the success in the playoffs that we want but it doesn’t change the fact that he has been very good at stocking our roster with good players. Which I think is the number one, not the only one, priority of a GM.
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by kameleon_o on Mar 28, 2009 2:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Glory
I love the article and rec’d it. I have the exact same feelings as you regarding Jerry as an owner. It’s frustrating to see the majority of the NFL fans (even some Cowboys fans) seem to have such a slanted view of the guy.
I think it’s the way he came into the league, and because he’s so visible. It’s hard to imagine any other owner constantly in the media even half as much.
The only gripe I have is that he waited to hire an experienced GM. At this point he knows as much as anyone he could bring in. It just took him a while to get to this point.
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by APerfectStar on Mar 27, 2009 3:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes...and No
I think Jerry has matured a great deal when it comes to things like managing the roster, the cap, etc. over the years.
But let’s not forget that just last year, he threw out conventional wisdom and signed Pacman Jones to a team that was 13-3 and already had it’s share of locker room issues.
And as for the money thing, it always makes me wonder why the Steelers and Pats have NEVER been on Hard Knocks even though they have been asked several times.
Even if you put that aside, my biggest gripe with Jerry is how he builds coaching staffs. Aside from the Jimmy and Tuna years, Jerry has flubbed the coaching staffs.
Hiring Garrett the way he did doomed Wade to failure and we are reaping what Jerry sowed there. Jerry continues to be his own worst enemy and almost universally throughout the non-Cowboys-fan world, Jerry is considered a great owner and a crappy GM.
In all truth, I think you’re giving Jerry too much credit for the work that STEPHEN JONES is doing to save America’s Team and its proud legacy. The T.O., Pac and Tank stuff has Stephen’s thumbprints all over it. While I give Jerry huge props for (finally) listening to Stephen and Ciskowski and others, I’m not able to grant him a free pass because of some of the bonehead stuff he is still on the hook for. For instance, I still think Winnie the Coach is the wrong guy for the job. I think you NEVER hire coordinators before the Head Coach. I think team chemistry and breeding a culture of winning IS important. Obviously, he and I disagree on those things. I get it, he owns the team. I’m nobody. But the results are the results.
Jerry wants to win more than any Owner in the league. I will always cherish him for that because he shares my urgency and lust for victory. And too often, articles about him (including this one) omit the truly amazing work that he does for the league and the fans. He is an ambassador for the NFL in a way no other owner ever has been. The TV contracts, the NFL Network negotiations with some of the cable companies and the way he has shown other teams how to increase revenues through strategic marketing? That is ALL JERRY.
But, and while I hang my head a bit when I think about it, I am coming to the realization that Jerry may not get another Lombardi until he formally hands the keys to this car over to his son…and that’s no misconception.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Mar 27, 2009 4:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and that would be a very long wait unfortuately
as Jerry seems to be in pretty good health.
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by Terry on Mar 27, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
I don’t think he needs to fall into ill health to let his son take over. I wouldn’t want that to be the impetus.
I think you underestimate Jerry and believe that he will start to cede some control to his advisory team over time and, if the results start to show, he will accelerate that process so he can hoist a Championship trophy again. It could be said that he already has begun that process.
I think, to point back to Carl’s post, Jerry is deathly afraid of BECOMING Al Davis and that fear could be a great motivator.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
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by 5Blings on Mar 27, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I strongly disagree
Jerry will never turn over control of his team to anyone, even his own blood. Just wishful thinking.
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by Terry on Mar 28, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By turning over control, are you saying"total control"?
Because I agree with that. He’ll never sign off on letting anyone take total control.
But I think we are seeing the beginning of Jerry loosening his grip on the GM reins and letting Stephen have a lot more control. Example: there is no way Jerry would have released TO without Stephen Jones convincing him it was best for the team in the long run.
I still think he’ll let Stephen take over the GM moniker in the next few years, and Jerry will focus more on his Prez/CEO duties.
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by APerfectStar on Mar 28, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes Tom I mean total control
and I agree that as fans our only hope is that Stephen begins to have more and more influence over Jerry to the point where he could talk him into most things, however, Jerry will always be the one who has final authority, he’ll never give that up.
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by Terry on Mar 30, 2009 7:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good one, Carl
A wise man once said it is better to know nothing than to know what ain’t so.
Too many Jerry bashers rant about stuff that just ain’t so.
Thanks for spelling it out.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Mar 27, 2009 4:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Great post Glory...until I read this
“a slight upgrade a backup quarterback (John Kitna)”. Lord I hope it’s waaay more than a slight upgrade! I’m kidding..sorta. It was nice to read something with a little more positive spin though.
by Benthere on Mar 27, 2009 6:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought the same thing
I think Kitna should be a significant upgrade. At least his arm isn’t shot.
by illcowboy on Mar 28, 2009 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Kitna is a Major upgrade IMO
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by TrueBlue24 on Mar 28, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OUT-FREAKIN'-STANDING WRITEUP!!! I will share this with friends by posting it on my facebook page.
U da MAN, Glory!!!
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by silverblue5 on Mar 27, 2009 6:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i did this as well
"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips
by MrMinority on Mar 27, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The elephant in the room
I’ve read all the posts up to now, and one glaring thing missing from the posts of the Jerry-as-GM apologists: does he not share some blame for the playoff failures over the last dozen+ years? He’s the one constant in all that time.
Why does he get a free-pass on this?
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by fgoodwin on Mar 27, 2009 7:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Who is giving him a free pass?
Why is it you’re an apologist if you point out some of the things he has improved on?
Am I a Jerry apologist because I give someone credit where it is due, but still will rip on him (which I do) about some of the terrible decisions.
Some people are reading Carl’s post like it’s a big suckup to Jerry, but all he’s doing is saying that not EVERYTHING said about him is true.
Does that mean he’s being a Jerry apologist? I don’t think so.
I’m sure Carl would go on record and agree with everyone that there are still ALOT of things wrong in the organization.
The complete lack of a leadership structure between Jerry and the players is garbage. I don’t know if he is or isn’t undermining his coaches, but he sure as hell isn’t helping them.
Is that giving him a free pass?
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 27, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely plenty of problems still.
But Jerry is unfairly criticized.
I gave up torture for Lent. Between now and Easter plagiarists will be humanely euthanized.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Mar 27, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry carl, but I disagree
Jerry will get all of the criticism he deserves until the team wins. that’s how this sports business is. The only people who will grant him safe harbor from that storm are wide-eyed Cowboys fans who annually renew their faith after failed attempts at a postseason and anyone on the dallascowboys.com payroll. :-)
Everyone who bashes ESPN or the talking heads because they deride Jerry now are just whiners. Nobody ragged on them when Dallas was on top of the NFL world and those same personalities were in love with Jerry and the Cowboys. We have to be careful that our fandom doesn’t cross over into myopia.
Facts: he signs a T.O., a Tank AND a Pacman, hires coordinators before head coaches, has the final say on all football matters, says team chemistry isn’t important, hires Winnie the Coach (and wonders why there is so little team discipline) and hasn’t won a playoff game since Clinton was boffing Monca Lewinski and you think he is unfairly criticized? Please explain that, because I think when you choose to take on that type of role, you need to be accountable for the results.
The good news is that I also believe that Jerry holds himself to a higher standard than many people here do and that further fuels his passion to win. Nonetheless, thus far, he gets poor grades as a GM relative to his peers, and that…is not unfair.
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by 5Blings on Mar 27, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry just doesnt want the media to think that they influence him.
Sure he says chemistry isn’t important. Then he cuts Pacman and T.O., then let’s Tank walk. He thinks it’s important, but he doesn’t want the media thinking they have a say.
I gave up torture for Lent. Between now and Easter plagiarists will be humanely euthanized.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Mar 27, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, I think that is Stephen's influence and not the media, but who knows?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Mar 28, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bottom line is
he is getting better as a GM. His gambles seem to be less risk, more reward these days. ( Pacman, Tank…nothing really lost on those guys) Same goes for the draft. Less reaches. ( I believe Bill talked him into Carpenter) Hopefully, his Quincy Carter type urges are behind him. Ok. You can look at the entire body of work since the SB days, and there are a lot of warts but I see him learning from those mistakes. I like what I’m seeing lately. We’re getting close! I can feel it!
by fretman on Mar 27, 2009 8:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And...
While we all admit that the Carpenter pick was probably a huge bust now, it wasn’t a reach at the time.
He was graded out right where Dallas picked him, Carp just is a bust.. plain and simple.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 27, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
really?
I might be wrong but I thought I remember the “experts” saying we reached a little. But if your right AFB, that shows we are drafting smarter these days
by fretman on Mar 27, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It might have been..
bit of a reach, but unless I’m wrong Bobby had a 1st round grade in the draft.
Raf could probably do some research and tell me yay or nay, but I’m pretty sure thats right.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 27, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was projected to go right where he went.
Had a good pro day that boosted his stock.
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by kameleon_o on Mar 27, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there is another angle to look at JJ as a GM
by him being the one he can afford to strategize for the long term. Look at all the GM’s that come on a four year plan, bring their own coaches, start churning the rosters and in year 3 their teams still suck. Than in year 4 they throw the sink because they know if the team doesn’t win they are out. (case in point Jets last year, signing all the big name FA’s and ultimately crashing). JJ has the luxury of not looking over his shoulder and make prudent decisions that wouldn’t handicap the team in the long haul.
Now, one can make the case that exactly for that reason he can be complacent as a GM.
In my opinion he’s become better, and he’ll do whatever necessary to win soon in the new stadium. A championship team will fill many many seats and bring many many corp. sponsors, everything else is semantics and debatable
by dcfanz on Mar 27, 2009 8:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good point
DC but on the other end arent some GMs hands tied because the owner is cheap? I dont mind him having both titles. He just needs to keep making smart decisions and only “calculated” risks.
by fretman on Mar 27, 2009 8:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Great post Carl. Really great.
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by kameleon_o on Mar 27, 2009 10:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Your first post that I 've agreed with completely.
he doesn’t get a lot of credit, people won’t let go of the years after JJohnson left and JJ
DID try some dumb things.
How long ago did he hire Switzer?
And, even then, he won the SB, anyways!
by Realist Larry on Mar 27, 2009 10:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bottom line is no playoff wins in 12 years!
Let’s play a what-if game: suppose the Cowboys go without a playoff win for another dozen years — how many more years of playoff frustration will it take before the Jerry-fans agree we need a new GM?
The reason Jerry gets criticized for the playoff failures is because he wanted all the credit for the playoff wins early in his career (“500 coaches could win the SB with this talent”, remember?).
Well, if Jerry wants the accolades when the Cowboys were successful, then he also deserves the criticism when they are not — you can’t have one and avoid the other.
Or turn it around — the Jerry fans point to his improving skill at evaluating talent, yet absolve him of any blame when that talent fails to produce on the field. So why should Jerry the GM get ANY credit for the early SB wins, if the talent he acquired back then was successful?
Again, you can’t have one without the other, get it?
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by fgoodwin on Mar 28, 2009 12:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Alot of Jerry "fans"...
Do think we need a new GM.
But I think most people gripe about things that might realistically change.
That is NOT going to change anytime soon. It just isn’t. So you hope that he gets better because he’s not going to hire a GM.
Did you not read this when the whole Dan Reeves thing fell through. EVERYONE was bashing Jerry.
I don’t know here you think that he’s not getting any blame from.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 28, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Change we can agree on . . .
AFB, you are absolutely right that Jerry will never voluntarily relinquish his GM role.
And we both agree that a new GM is needed. Maybe we aren’t so far apart after all.
And you’re also right that whining about something I can’t change is kinda pointless . . .
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by fgoodwin on Mar 28, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah dude...
I didn’t mean to say you were whining. Sorry if it came caross that way.
I just look at it like baby steps. Haha.
I think there is a better chance of Jerry becoming better at being a GM than him just hiring one.
Mainly because he has become better, he has shown that he has progressed.
Its like, you know I’d love to win a million dollars, but I’ll just be more realistic and feel like I have a better chance for a raise haha.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 28, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No problem
I said it, not you — no problem.
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by fgoodwin on Mar 28, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well put
The only thing Jerry has done this season, which I may have overreacted to, was the whole Dan Reeves debacle. Everything else he’s done this year has been great, for the most part. Maybe I wouldn’t have cut my #1 receiver without a contingency plan, but it was a move that pretty much had to happen. And, to top that off, there’s still a couple of viable options in free agency and the draft, so he may not be done yet.
Excellent write up.
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by the red scare on Mar 28, 2009 12:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
indeed
this forum and blog notwithstanding and other minority exceptions, sports journalists tend to be more reactionary, driven by “gut” instincts (nevermind those instincts are nothing more than biases and prejudices), and deterministic in their outlook than their peers in financial journalism, etc. The worst perpetrators of this form of journalism are ex-players posing as analysts on TV. They are TERRIBLE. Only a few have any insight into the larger picture of a game and all have a license to call themselves experts. Some are even driven by anger, rage, and vindictiveness (you know who they are).
I like this forum because of its objectivity and focus on game technique. None of this “they have to get TO involved to win” when opposing defenses have 3 players in the deep and there is no way TO will catch a pass with any gain.
by bresson on Mar 28, 2009 9:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
AND
They are trying to sell papers, magazines, and their respective programs.
And the ex players, not all of them but most, are generally mostly afraid to formulate their own opinions.
Most of them don’t do much research, they just go with is what was said on another program and run with it.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 28, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Post GD!
Im a big fan of Rafs writing, and like another fan posted earlier, log on everyday in anticipation of his articles. I now find myself doing the same with your posts. Keep up the good work.
I tottally agree with your article. JJ is misrepresented and turned into a punch line. One that you forgot that has had the air out of a little was the “Jerry loves those Players from Arkansas” bullshit. That one use to fire me up. Considering before Felix we had never drafted a guy from Ark. Before Hamlin we never had a starter from Ark. Take away that FA QB and I couldnt ever find one on our roster. Yet you heard it daily like it was the gospel.
Im not an apoligist for JJ. When he makes a move I dont like I rip him. I just think he is alot better than given credit for. Yes he was a disaster for several years after the firing of Jimmy. Bad drafts, coaching hires, ects… but how many men on here at one time or another in their life thought they were a lot smarter than they really were. I think he has proven the ability to admit his mistakes and to learn from them. I think we are a very good organization because of them. I think because Steven was there for this roller coaster ride that it will pay off big for many years too come.
Rooneys are probably the gold standard for Owners in todays game. Go check out the mistakes and club records of the Steelers in the 50s 60s and tell me whats golden about them. Their old man mades tons of mistakes yet he died with 4 SBs and his sons have 2 with lots of success and stability. I like where we are currently at and where we are heading. All the post was about was JJ is much better than advertised it wasnt about him being great or flawless.
by squidlo97 on Mar 28, 2009 11:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree with Airforcebat
Give Jerry credit for what he has done right and point out what he does wrong. He is not a cheap owner and thats great. He did and still does to a lesser extent let his ego guide him. The success he had quickly with Jimmy made him think this game was easy and the comment about anyone coaching the team. He did win with Switzer {moron, sorry inner voice } but, it was essentually Jimmy’s team. I believe cap or no cap he and Jimmy could have had many more SB rings. Jimmy was the Cowboys’s personality, totally alive and exciting. Parcells although helping the organization was and is 3yds in a cloud of dust. Perfectly suited for the Giants, but never the Cowboys. I think the Cowboys need a different coach. We won’t get one. Wade casts no shadow on Jerry’s star. On balance though, he does the best he can and gives the fans a team that has the potential to win it all.
by oldboysfan on Mar 28, 2009 2:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Great Post GD
I have been one of those fans in the past that has called for Jerry the Owner to fire Jerry the GM. He has learned and grown and gotten better because of the fire that burns in him to hold the Lombardi trophy again. I think the release of Owens, Pacman and Tank has sent a clear message to the rest of the team. TO was a player that Jerry personally loved, but cut him for the sake of his team’s long term health. Now the pressure is on Red Ball, Romo and RW. Let the games begin.
by cowboymikemc on Mar 30, 2009 11:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wake up SHEEPLE!
Jerry Jones doesn’t want to win. If he wanted to win, he wouldn’t have run Jimmy out of town! Or, when Parcells came aboard, he wouldn’t have undermined him with TO. This past season Jerry (during on of the many Cowboy Controversies) got on TV and said that ‘we like this kind of stuff and that’s why he has a few select writers travel with the team.’ THAT’S WHAT JERRY LIKES!!! He likes the drama. The attention. The publicity. The limelight. That’s Jerry Jones. Oh sure. He’d LOVE to win. But only on his terms. Only doing it his way. What way is that, you ask? The Jerry Jones way. The one where everybody knows that (genius) Jerry is calling the shots. Not morons like Jimmy and Bill. And winning while leading the league in drama, controversy and publicity. (Oh, and also in hiring “Yes-Men” HC’s who SURPRISE! really aren’t qualified as HC’s).
Wake up SHEEPLE!!!!
by GeoMak on Mar 31, 2009 11:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just curious why you are posting on the Cowboys site......
Are you guys going to go after Cutler btw?
by texstar on Mar 31, 2009 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bounce around here and there.
I spend a lot of time on Niner sites cause I LOVE Mike Singletary. Now THAT"S who Jerry Jones should have gotten as HC when he had the chance.
When I (somehow) saw this post I couldn’t resist. Jerry’s a great guy. I’m real good friends with a family in South Phoenix. Their son played for the Cowboys in the late 90’s and he’s always spoken highly of Jerry. Jerry’s problem is this: He (and Dan Snyder) are the Vince Lombardi’s and Bill Parcell’s of “Franchise Marketing.” Nobody does it better than those guys.
And that what Jerry SHOULD have done. Stick to the business side and leave the football side to guys that really know what they’re doing.
Any owner that has hired a cast like this (Barry Switzer, Chan Gailey, Dave Campo and Wade Phillips) as his HC should have to pee in a cup on a regular basis!
by GeoMak on Apr 1, 2009 12:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Tell us something we dont know.
Almost all of us hate the drama. Lumping him with Snyder undermines your credibility. They are both salesman but that is where the similarities end. I certainly wouldnt trade him for 10 of your owners or GM for that matter. It seem that Chicago is controversial on crappy QB play and some contract standoff every year with a star player. It also been dubbed the land where WRs go to die.
Singletary is well like and respected around here. Many wanted him. If he had a little more experience he might have been our HC. If my memory serves me correctly he spent alot of time here on the interveiw process. I think our committment to the 3-4 might have been another reason why we went elsewhere.
by squidlo97 on Apr 1, 2009 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless I missed something
the title of this post is"Jerry Jones and the Great Misconception." That’s my WHOLE POINT! There IS no misconception!!!!!" “It is what it is.” “You are who you are.” Things like that. The point of my post “Wake up SHEEPLE” is simply this: Unless Jones does an almost complete “about face” (not very likely) the Cowboys will NEVER win big or often again! Period.
“Lumping him in with Snyder undermines your credibility. They are both salesmen but that is where the similarity ends.”
That’s the ONLY place I compared those two. As “Salesmen” for their teams. My credibility is perfect. Maybe you didn’t read this sentence correctly:
He (and Dan Snyder) are the Vince Lombardi’s and Bill Parcell’s of "Franchise Marketing." Nobody does it better than those guys.
Where do you see me comparing those two on “football, on-the-field matters?” That’s right, you don’t.
Singletary is coaching a 3/4 in SF. Here’s the LARGER issue. One that Jerry, for all of his CONSIDERABLE intelligence (you don’t become a billionaire by being stupid) has NEVER FIGURED OUT. The HC (Like Jimmy, Parcells and an up and coming Singletary), MUST, absolutely MUST, First & Foremost, be a LEADER of MEN! Not some “wimp” (like Campo, Gailey and ESPECIALLY Wade)! If NOTHING else, get a LEADER OF MEN as HC. Then get an OC and DC and run any kind of scheme you and your new HC want to run. Want to run a 3/4? Get a 3/4 DC and make sure BEFORE you hire your new LEADER OF MEN, that he’s comfortable with a 3/4. If he is, hire him. If not, get another LEADER OF MEN who is.
Since Jimmy left Dallas (Switzer won 1 SB with Jimmy’s team. The players were on record as saying that they won “in spite of Switzer, not because of him”) and Ditka/Ryan left the Bears, those two GREAT franchises have won . . . NOTHING!!!!!!!!! In 15-20 years. Why? Dave Wannstedt. Dick Jauron. Lovie Smith. Chan Gailey. Dave Campo. Wade Phillips. Not a true LEADER OF MEN in the whole lot! It’s crystal clear (to me).
The day Jones FINALLY figures this out, and the day he concentrates on running the business and not the players (and coacches) is the day that the Cowboys will begin to have a realistic chance to regain their former greatness.
I wouldn’t advise anyone in Dallas to hold their breath waiting for that day to come.
by GeoMak on Apr 1, 2009 11:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow....
Really?
I mean really?
I’m going to go out first of all and say that the Bears have actually been to a Super Bowl so its not like they’ve had horrible coaching.
But once again, seriously?
You go on and on about Jerry Jones not wanting to win a Super Bowl and then you list off all of these names that are leaders of men… like Bill Parcells.
Now how can you say that Jerry Jones doesn’t want to win, when he hired Bill Parcells? That is totally contradictive to your own point.
Secondly….
How are you lumping Mike Singletary with Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcells?
Singletary could end up being a horrible NFL coach for all you know. He hasn’t done a damn thing in the NFL as a coach. Just because your a good player doesn’t make you a good coach. We’ll see, but so far all I saw him do was let his defensive coordinator continuously let a corner play off the line of scrimmage against Terrell Owens as he continually ripped a new one out of the defense.
What a mastermind.
Bring something more to the table than continuous exlamation marks and contradicting statements.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 1, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody said
That the Bears have had horrible coaching. Like I tell my friends on Bear blogs, the Bears, since Ditka/Ryan have had mediocre to average coaching. In 2006, they caught “lightning in a bottle” with Devin Hester, who had the greatest single kick return season in NFL history. He singlehandedly won two games (Rams and Broncos) and was a key factor in many others (not the least of which, the infamous Cardinal, Denny Green meltdown game).
I would submit that Hester had as much to do with the Bears SB appearance than “great coaching.”
Parcells. Yes, Jerry wised up and hired Parcells. And then almost immediately started underming him. I give Jerry credit for hiring Bill, and then I give him the blame for not letting one of the all-time great HC’s do his job as HE sees fit. There’s nothing contradictory there. And that’s my WHOLE point. Even when he gets the right guy (Jimmy, Parcells) Jones F**KS it up cause he can’t stay in the background. Try and follow. It’s not very hard (mastermind). Even when Jones (who has deep pockets and one of the NFL’s premier franchises) does something right (HC’ing wise) he then finds a way to mess it up. Why. Cause Jones NEEDS to be the center of attention.
Nothing contradictory.
Singletary? Absolutely. He could go 0-16 next year. That said:
A). He won four out of his last five games with a team that was so good (LOL) that they fired their HC midseason.
B). His 49ers held the ball at the end of games against two playoff teams (Miami and Arizona)
with a chance to win at the end.
C). He was the first west coast HC to win on the east coast in 2008 (in Buffalo). Only Tom Cable of the Raiders was also able to win on the east coast (Tampa).
D). He ALMOST immediately changed the culture of the underachieving 49ers. He is widely given credit for pulling that off from former 49er greats (like Joe Montana) to current 49ers, to 49er fans, to former HOF players (like Rod Woodson).
Now you tell me something MASTERMIND. Are you happy, as Cowboy fan, with the following HC’s : Gailey, Campo and Phillips? Seriously. Answer honestly. (We’ll leave Parcells out cause, as I CLEARLY explained, JJ undermined his HC there. You can get away with that S**T with some other guys, not with a HOF HC).
Seriously and honestly. Do you honestly believe that coaches like that are the best that the Cowboys could do? Leave out any Bear references. This has NOTHING to do with the Bears. Man up and tell me please: Are you (and others) happy with those HC’s?
by GeoMak on Apr 1, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man up?
Dude I’ve been to the dessert on two seperate tours, this is a blog. I don’t need to prove anything to you.
You started off your whole tirade by saying Jerry isn’t trying to win.
He did let Bill Parcells do his job. Bill drafted the players and had complete control. I don’t know what to tell you on that one.
Did you even read the article, or did you just skim through?
How did he undermine Bill Parcells exactly?
By letting him have complete control of the personell and coaching staff?
And if you want to come on the board and insult me thats cool, I never said anything deragatory against you, just Singletary’s coaching against Dallas. Just for kicks though I’ll just play ball with your little points.
A) And four games were against how many teams with winning records?
B) They had a chance to win? Will considering that they are an NFL team they should have a chance to win in any game.
C) Will considering that the best west coast team was 8-8 thats not exactly groundbreaking.
D) Former greats saying things are great. I respect Joe Montana and Rod Woodson. I also remember Darren Woodson saying that he felt that Pat Watkins was the next starting safety for the Dallas Cowboys. So I’d take it with a grain of salt.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 1, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good job AFB
Anybody that has the temerity to come to a Cowboys blog, throw out their beliefs as gospel, then tell someone to “Man Up” deserves to get shot down.
I have the same question as you, how the heck does someone posting anonymously on a public accessed website “man up”? Makes no sense.
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by APerfectStar on Apr 2, 2009 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
RE: Good Job AFB
Can you start making some sense, please.
I said to “man up and answer an question (which, by the way, he twice has failed to do so).”
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Mine, however, happens to be true. Simply put, the reason why the Cowboys have not made/won the SB since Jimmy Johnson is primarily because of Jerry’s actions (getting rid of great HC’s, hiring weak HC’s, being front and center regarding personnel, bringing in thugs (like Tank and Pac man) ala Al Davis and the Raiders, etc).
Now, why don’t YOU answer the question I posed to AFB that he wouldn’t couldn’t answer?: Are you, as a Cowboy fan, happy with these past coaches: Gailey, Campo and Wade?
Honestly, it’s really a simple question. Not a trick question, I promise. Are you happy with Jerry’s coaches “post-Jimmy Johnson?”
BTW: I won’t say anything about “manning up” as that apparently confuses some people here (and allows them to avoid the question, and avoid answering the question, by attacking my use of the phrase “Man Up”).
by GeoMak on Apr 2, 2009 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Instead of Attacking Me
For speaking the truth ( Jack Nicholson——You can’t HANDLE the truth!), why don’t you Cowboy fans expend all that energy (and talented writing) where it belongs: AT JERRY JONES!
Band together and use the power of the internet to get a simple message to Jerry:
WE, your loyal Cowboy fans and paying customers DEMAND that we have a REAL HC and not some glorified coordinator.
Mimic Peter Finch from the movie Network: “We’re mad as Hell and we’re not going to take it anymore!”
However, Jer, understand this. Any REAL HC worth having, isn’t going to allow you to meddle with the "on-field’ team.
Jerry:
A) Get a real HC and so your team can compete with real HC’s like Andy Reid and Tom Coughlin.
B) Stay with “glorified coordinators” and basically tell your fan base that they are second class NFL citizens and aren’t worty of better coaching.
C) Coach the team yourself!
Which one is it Jerry? A, B or C? inquiring minds want to know.
If you guys really loved your Cowboys THIS is where you’d put your attention: At the root cause of the problem. The Cowboys are one of the premier NFL franchises. They are moving into a new, state-of-the-art stadium. Last year, most analysts said that the Cowboys had as much talent, if not more, than all other NFL teams.
What’s the problem? Coaching (specifically the HC)!
by GeoMak on Apr 2, 2009 2:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're a trip....
If you look up and down this entire blog, you’ll see tons of references that I am unhappy with some of the state of affairs of this team.
So no I’m not happy, but that’s because I have high expectations of the team.
But you come on this blog and start saying things like “my opinion just happens to be true”.
Why does anyone here need to answer to you anyways? Maybe if you had come on here and tried to be more civil, people would be more apt to answer you.
If you read the article, there isn’t anything saying that Jerry is a saint, it just says that there are a few misconceptions. You haven’t read all the article, you’re skimming.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 2, 2009 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There isn't any misconception here
Glory Daze 88’s post was well written and had a lot of good points. However, he missed the critical point! Period. What’s the critical point?
The one I made in “Wake Up SHEEPLE” On March 31st at 9:17.
The one about the KEY position on any football team; the HC.
Why post about supposed misconceptions and not post about the real reason that Dallas hasn’t even sniffed the SB since the days of Jimmy Johnson?
I mean, that’s the issue here. They’ve got the players. Virtually every analyst conceeded that last year. Most teams would have traded their players for Dallas’s players last year straight up.
The problem with this team is chemistry and coaching. Jerry always believed that “winning” makes for good “team chemistry.” He’s finally beginning to understand that he has that backwards.
His choices for HC since the departure (with the exceprtion of the undermined Bill Parcells) is almost laughable. Really! Pathetic.
He’s WASTED all that talent and all that money from Cowboy fans and the “hopes and dreams” for another Super Bowl for those fans by having glorified coordinators as his HC.
That’s the essential, critical issue with Jerry and his Cowboys. Everything else is a distant second place.
by GeoMak on Apr 2, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you care?
You have no emotional investment in this team.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 2, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1st off
That doesn’t matter.
Secondly, a friend of mine played for the Cowboys alongside one of my ATF NFL players, Michael Irvin. Nobody wanted to win more than Irvin. Nobody was more of a team leader than Michael Irvin.
That said, I just like to help shed so much needed light across the landscape for my fellow NFL friends and fans.
If people really cared about their Cowboys, they start dealing with reality. They’d confront the truth and maybe then expend their energy where needed:
By protesting loudly and often in the direction of Valley Ranch: WE WANT A REAL HC!
Try and follow this logic. Actually, it’s pretty simple. When Jones hired Wade Phillips, he weakened TWO coaching positions. TWO! At once.
He put Phillips in as HC, which is over his head. Heput someone else in as DC, who’s not as good a DC as Wade Phillips (Phillips is an excellent DC).
By making Phillips HC (instead of DC) he weakened two coaching positions. Not very smart.
If Cowboy fans really want to win, they will listen very closely to waht I am saying. They’ll start sending this message as often as possible in the direction of Jerry Jones:
Jerry. We have a Major league NFL team. We are SICK & TIRED of having Minor league HC’s!
by GeoMak on Apr 2, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh huh
Thanks for your enlightment.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 2, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're welcome
Hard to believe none of you other Cowboy fans figured this out. Really.
“Jerry Jones wants to make money. Winning is not the priority in Dallas.”
Are you nuts? Jerry Jones wants to win so bad he can’t help himself.
That’s f’ing hysterical. If he wanted to win he might actually start with a real HC.
Again, you are welcome. Gotta say, though, this was one of my easier assignments.
What’s wrong with the Cowboys. Primarily, crappy Head Coaches!
by GeoMak on Apr 2, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My post made complete sense
Do you want me to use smaller words to make it easier for you.
Explain how you man up?
Does that mean something different where you are from. Because where I come from it means take responsibility for your actions. So instead of acting like a know-it-all why don’t you post in a calm respectful fashion. Maybe you won’t have to ridicule other posts to get a simple question answered.
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by APerfectStar on Apr 2, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Say What?
What post made complete sense?
Answer the simple question that all of you “GeoMak” bashers don’t have the testicles to answer: My basic premise is that Jerry Jones’ HC’s have been extremely weak (since Jimmy). Do you agree or disagree with my basic premise?
Simple question. It calls for a SIMPLE (ALL CAPS) answer.
Are you man enough to answer my question?
by GeoMak on Apr 2, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh boy, testicles? really?
You are going in the wrong direction buddy.
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by APerfectStar on Apr 2, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still
You (like everyone else) cannot or will not answer a SIMPLE question. What a JOKE!
by GeoMak on Apr 2, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bawk! Bawk!
That’s the sound of you chickening out (cause you refuse to answer my simple question).
You’re funny!
by GeoMak on Apr 2, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bro...
I answered your question already. I said I’m not happy with the coaches.
Here’s some free advice, try being more polite and you might have people answer you.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 2, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My basic premise is that Jerry Jones’ HC’s have been extremely weak (since Jimmy). Do you agree or disagree with my basic premise?
I disagree. How ‘bout Parcells?? Parcells was the definition of a dickhead coach who was a hard ass with the players. What did that get the Cowboys?? He had more control than any coach since Jimmy. He had an owner willing to spend millions to get and keep assistant coaches for him and even more millions to go and get the FA’s that Parcells wanted. Having a dictator/Bear Bryant type attitude with your players doesn’t automatically get you any W’s.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
by kameleon_o on Apr 5, 2009 4:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No...
He’s just going to respond that he was underminded… although the only thing he was underminded on was the fact that they signed TO.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 6, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man Up
And answer my question (are you hjappy with past Cowboy coaches) which of course you DIDN"T do.
Now allow me clarify. Everybody says how guys like Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder WANT to win (cause they’re not cheap and so on). I AGREE. However, and this is HUGE, Jerry (to me) really doesn’t want to win if it means standing off to the side and letting somebody like Jimmy Johnson get most/all of the credit. Good God, he doesn’t want to win THAT bad. No he wants to win . . . his way. He can’t do it. He’s not qualified enough with regards to talent evaluation and more importantly, he (listen REAL close) he hires, non-threatening, yes-men coaches to lead his team. Those guys are GREAT at letting Jones be front and center. Unfortunately, those guys aren’t very good HC’s.
It’s REALLY hard to win in the NFL with weak guys as HC. As Jerry Rice famously said about another weak HC (Norv Turner, whom Rice briefly played under in Oakland): ’He (Turner) could not motivate the players. He had NO control."
Not exactly a ringing endorsement (know what’s funny. Sounds almost EXACTLY like Wade Phillips).
Parcells NEVER had complete control. You don’t have that with Jones. TO would NEVER have been a Dallas Cowboy if Parcells had complete control. NEVER. In a MILLION years. You saying that Parcells had complete control tells me that you really don’t understand the situation. At all.
How did he undermine Parcells. Most notablly by bringing in “The Cancer” TO. Just that move, would have been enough to undermine Parcells in Dallas. Just that one move (although I’d bet there were more) Regardless, that one move had UNDERMINE written all over it.
Bill Parcells, throughout his HC’ing career, NEVER had flashy, me-first, players. He was always team first. Read his book “The Final Season” to get some insight here.
Parcells had many good/excellent players. Only one true SuperStar. LT. Regardless, when you played for Bill, it was team first and the player . . . a distant second.
COMPLETELY opposite of TO!
I didn’t insult you. Actually, if you read back, you insiulted me with the “mastermind” comment.
A). All’s you can do is play who’s on the schedule.
B). A chance to win on the last play of the game is a little bit different than saying that any NFL team has a chance to win any game. If the 0-16 Lions last year, lost every game, but had the ball on the final play of the game where a (reasonable )shot at a TD would’ve won it, they’d still be 0-16 but people would look at them a little bit differently.
C). Never said it was groundbreaking. Just a fact.
D). Former greats, current players, much of the fan base (who quite honestly, almost gag at the concept of Singletary’s stated goal of playing run-oriented, smash mouth football on the same field where Bill Walsh, Joe Montana and Jerry Rice did their thing primarily through the air). Even most fans that lament the fact that the 49er style under Singletary is going to be almost diametrically opposed to their past greatness, conceed and applaud his “leadership” abilities and see them as welcome relief.
Now, answer the question, please. Are you happy with Gailey, Campo and Phillips as HC of the Cowboys?
It’s a SIMPLE question. Answer it honestly.
by GeoMak on Apr 1, 2009 3:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
Wade should get up in front of the team and drop his pants, or “Pull a Singletary” as it’s known. That’s really showing some ability to lead men. What do you think?
Also refresh my memory on how many championships Big Bill won after Belicheat decided to take the Pats HC job and gave the proverbial one finger salute to the Tuna.
Worship at the throne of BP much?
You have your theories on things, but just because others don’t share them doesn’t mean they are wrong.
or MAYBE I need to TYPE in ALL CAPS periodically to try to make MY POINT.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Apr 2, 2009 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
RE: Maybe
When people pull up “pantsgate” it’s really kind of pathetic. Tell you what though. Did you see, in that same game, when Singletary threw underachieving former 1st round pick Vernon Davis off the field, for making a stupid, selfish penalty (I believe the Cowboys were #1 or #2 last year in penalties) and then, after making said penalty, Davis basically said to Singletary on the sideline “What’s the problem?” He cahnged the losing culture of that underachieving team in one day!
Parcells. Widely considered by anyone with even basic football knowledge as one of the great coaches/Head Coaches ever in the NFL. Period. Anyone with half a football brain knows that, OK.
Gailey, Campo, Phillips . . . no such accolades.
Now, what I present isn’t theory. It’s fact! Any knowledgable and honest Cowboy fan would agree 100% with me (cause I’m right): Jerry started out great (with Jimmy) and after winning twice, F**KED it all up (to this very day) by putting himself front and center of the football operations, someplace he doesn’t belong.
Don’t believe ME? OPEN your eyes!
Cowboys DURING Jimmy? . . . . . . . Great!
Cowboys AFTER Jimmy? . . . . . . . . . Mediocre, bad, sometimes good, occasionally very good. Overall grade—————————————C
by GeoMak on Apr 2, 2009 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are really funny GeoMak
Parcells. Widely considered by anyone with even basic football knowledge as one of the great coaches/Head Coaches ever in the NFL. Period. Anyone with half a football brain knows that, OK.
Did I say he wasn’t? Just pointing out his lack of SB rings after Belicheat left.
Now, what I present isn’t theory. It’s fact! Any knowledgable and honest Cowboy fan would agree 100% with me (cause I’m right)
OK God, you should have told us you were posting under your real name.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Apr 2, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Your “Implication” regarding Parcells and Belichick was pretty clear (to anyone with half a brain).
Now, riddle me this, APerfectStar (and stay on message): My basic premise is that Jerry Jones’ HC’s have been extremely weak (since Jimmy). Do you agree or disagree with my basic premise?
It’s pretty simple. Bash me all you want. Do you agree, or disagree, with my premise?
by GeoMak on Apr 2, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me ponder it and get back to you
I do think that Switzer and Campo were simply “Yes” men for Jerry. I’m not convinced Chan Gailey or Wade Phillips fall under that category. I give them a bit more credit than you do.
I never liked Switzer, Gailey, or Campo as the head coachs, but I do like Wade Phillips. I think he is a very good defensive minded coach, I can’t say whether he’s a true leader of men or that he’s a weak head coach because I’m not in the locker room or on the practice field.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Apr 2, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look
Phillips is a very good DC. He got his start working under Buddy Ryan, the greatest DC in history. However, as HC, Phillips is so far removed from a leader of men that it’s not funny.
Didn’t you see him talking last month or so? When Shanahan was fired and speculation ran rampant that he might end up in Dallas? After Jerry said that Wade would still be the HC, Phillips said “If you’re not going to change the HC, then the HC has to change.”
Translation: If Jerry is (thankfully) not going to fire me, then maybe I (Wade Phillips) has to change my ways and start being a little tougher with my troops.
The problem with that. It’s far, far easier for a tough guy to “lighten up” a little than for a softie to “toughen up” a little.
Much like Norv Turner, Wade Phillips is almost universally seen as a nice guy coach who’s unable to lead, motivate and inspire his men.
The great Jerry Rice briefly played under HC Norv Turner in Oakland. This is his exact quote: “He (Turner) could not motivate the players. He had no control.”
Not exactly a ringing endorsement. And that pretty much sums up Wade Phillips.
BTW: I do personally give you credit and respect for answering my question.
by GeoMak on Apr 2, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
I’m not happy, wow how manly of me.
And I said Singletary’s decision wasn’t a mastermind decision, not yours.
You’re skimming through, and aren’t reading all of it.
What does man up on a blog even mean? Does it mean that your tough to go under an alternate identity and talk crap?
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 1, 2009 4:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The name of the article...
is the Great Misconception.
Not everyone likes every decision that Jerry makes.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 1, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
about the Singletary (mastermind) comment. I stand corrected. I’m bouncing around between things.
Personally, this is how I feel. I try to help my Bear friends at WCG, to little avail. A little while ago, Singletary and the 49er GM made a slight comment about leaving the door open towards signing Mike Vick when he’s cleared to play. Just a little slight comment. And most of the fan base went crazy (emailing their opposition to 49er headquarters about Vick).
Magically, a few days later, the Niners issued a statment that they had NO interest in signing Vick. Public pressure. It worked.
Actually, there’s an interesting connection between the Bears and the Cowboys. When Mike McCaskey took over the Bears after the death of George Halas (even though he had NO qualifications for the job) he somewhat modelled himself after Jerry Jones.
If Cowboy fans REALLY wanted to win, and if Bear fans REALLY wanted to win, they would start a campaign to publicly pressure the front offices of both of those teams to hire “better, more qualified, HC’s.” Period.
Say it loud and say it proud: WE DESERVE BETTER THAN (lol) WADE!!!!!!!!!
It might not help, but maybe if Jerry jones and The McCaskeys heard enough of their fans screaming for better coaching, it MIGHT happen. It’s worth a try.
by GeoMak on Apr 1, 2009 4:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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