Tony Romo = Danny White
by rocj55 on Mar 27, 2009 8:02 PM CDT
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I was listening awhile back to one of our local sports radio show, when the co-host mentioned that Tony Romo was the second coming of Danny White. I had told my buddies the exact same thing after the season ended 44-6. As I reflected on the this past season (I was a pre-teen when White played), I can remember being frustrated with my Cowboys only one other time. That my fellow Cowboy fans would be the Danny White era.
So I wanted to see how the stats added up. Ok before anyone says "different eras, different teams" we are a stats driven society. Hey that's why we keep track of them, right?
So I took White's first three seasons as a starter and Romo's first three seasons. With Romo's injuries and White's '82 strike season, the games are about even.
| G | GS | Win-loss | Cmp | Att | Cmp% | Yards | TD | INT | QB Rating |
| TR 45 | 39 | 27-12-0 | 831 | 1307 | 63.6 | 10562 | 81 | 46 | 94.7 |
| DW 41 | 40 | 29-11 | 639 | 1074 | 60 | 8464 | 66 | 50 | 86.4 |
Not a big suprise in any catagory. About what I expected.
I remember thinking while watching DW play was wow he is breaking ever Cowboy QB record! He was our Punter!! Racking up regular season game win one after another. Winning 12 games, making the playoffs he first season at QB1. Thinking we found our savior after Roger Staubach. Now think about it. Romo un-drafted, thrid string, going 6-4 making the playoffs first year at QB1.
But the difference is DW won his first 2 playoff games. Hell he went 5-3! Romo is the hole 0-2.
I don't think it's far fetched to believe that Romo is the second coming of DW. My humble opinion is that as long as we have a celebrity QB in Dallas we will not get back to the Super Bowl. I do hope TR isn't the celebrity QB he turned into, but the QB out of a divison II who no one wanted to draft and was out to prove everyone wrong.
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Danny White was...
a great punter, had great stats, won playoff games, and was’nt surrounded by 11 Pro Bowlers. I also seem to think that he protected the ball.
Or Peyton Manning...
Here is that stat comparison…
G GS Win-loss Cmp Att Cmp% Yards TD INT QB Rating
TR 45 39 27-12-0 831 1307 63.58% 10,562 81 46 94.7
PM 48 48 26-22 1014 1679 60.39% 12,287 85 58 85.5
My only point is that you can compare anyone…
Also, with Peyton, he had not won a playoff game through his first three years either.
I agree that TR has alot to prove, but he has proven that tduring the regular season, statistically he is one of the top 5 QB’s in the league right now.
+1
Wasn’t Peyton 0-6 in the playoffs before that Superbowl run?
And Romo’s 0-2. Big flippin’ deal!
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 28, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Not if you factor in the three years we was on the bench.
Manning was the starter early in his career, so Romo is just beginning to reach his peak.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 28, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
We failed as a team...
In the 2 playoff games Romo didn’t play outstanding but he wasn’t horrible either, this is the year for the Cowboys as a team to shut the critics up
by nicholas.rodriguez on Mar 28, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
mmmmmhmmmm!
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 28, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I cant erase that from my memory
in the Giants playoff loss of two years ago, on the next to last play Romo got flushed and threw for Crayton at the end of the endzone and it was out of reach for Crayton, but on a second camera you can see that Crayton stopped at the goal line, split second hesitation, if he would’ve continued his route as he was supposed, he would have cought that ball at the end of the endzone for a TD and Game over.
No it is not a far fetched idea, I can see your point there but other than that, we will
just have to endure the offseason to see how this thing will play out. Right now there is just so much uncertainty about next year that I am trying to bury myself in home projects and work just get to the draft, so far so good, March has gone by pretty quick.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
You said, " I can remember being frustrated with my Cowboys only one other time"
Let me remind you of a few other times:
1989 – Record 1-15
2001-2003 = Repeat after me very SLOWLY, “Q-U-I-N-C-Y C-A-R-T-E-R”
Yeah but with Quincy
the was really no hope. I mean I kne what were, and that wasn’t a good team. What maybe 1 or 2 pro bowlers those years. But 11……………………
In Romo we might Trust!
I had a little hope with Quincy.
He had a nice arch on his deep throws and his scrambling ability was a weapon in itself.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 28, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
IMO White was a great QB
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
He was certainly very good. That's the Cowboys for you though. If you want to be great in the eyes of the fans you better bring home a title.
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Danny White was a great QB
and if Romo is another White I’ll be happy with that because I have news for everyone, White isn’t the reason the Cowboys didn’t win any SBs in the 80s. Our defense back then just simply wasn’t championship caliber, just like the Chargers defense wasn’t either, the reason Dan Fouts never made it to the SB as well and Fouts is a HOF and there haven’t been too many QBs better that played the game.
Danny White wasn’t responsible for the “The Catch” by Dwight Clark in 81 chamipionship game, nor Wilbert Mongomery running wild in the 80 championship game nor the Smurfs dominating us in the 83 championship game. No, that is all on the defense. The Cowboys offense was very ,very good in the 80s and a very big reason was the play of White. Our offenses were championship caliber, our defenses were not.
The fact is if White wouldn’t have backed up one of the greatest QBs in NFL history for most of his career, he could have put up numbers that would have landed him in the HOF, however, he didn’t start that many games in his career needed for that accomplishment.
None the less, Danny White was a truly great NFL QB and if Romo is equal to his stature, I’ll be thrilled to death.
In Romo we Trust
I'll agree that Danny White was a GOOD QB, but NOT GREAT
He is not in the HOF with Fouts and other GREAT QBs
Will I be pleased if Romo is another White? Yes, because with our defense I think that would get us in the playoffs; and once you’re in the playoffs anything could happen.
Agree 1000%. He was Great, better than Good.
White was a fantastic QB, who could’ve been a HoFer-he gets way too much of a bad rap from fans.
The D was falling apart ni those days.
And has no one even mentioned the broken wrist?
I always felt he wasn’t the same after that-although, the team wasn’t as good either, so maybe that was a factor in the decline as well.
by Realist Larry on Mar 29, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions
This fanpost
Will have over 100 replies by the time I click on it again.
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Mar 28, 2009 5:50 AM CDT reply actions
I think it's lame to compare players with the connotation that Romo is anybody but himself.
Any starting QB for the Dallas Cowboys that doesn’t have a cauliflower ear is gonna be a celebrity. This is the Information Age; we are all in each other’s business and football is more popular than ever before. Sports stars are prominent members of the entertainment industry. Everybody that has issue with the Cowboys QB being a celebrity needs to get over that. I’ve never heard Romo say anything egotistical or snobbish, so the limelight obviously doesn’t affect his approach to the media.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 28, 2009 11:21 AM CDT reply actions
well said
If your single and qb of the Cowboys, you’re authomatically going to be a celebrity, thats just the way it is.
If Aikman would have played in the technological, information age of the internet, he would have qualified very easily as well.
In Romo we Trust
I always thought I was a pretty good Cowboys fan
but it was well after Danny White played for the Cowboys that I learned his first name wasn’t Danny (or Daniel).
It’s amazing how teams go through a transition at QB. The NFL’s great franchises have had at least 2 great QB’s. We had Staubach and Aikman. The Dolphins had Greise and Marino. The Colts had Unitas and Manning. The Stealers have had Bradshaw and Rothlisberger. And then you have the filler QB’s in between.
Why do so many people hate on Romo
I can’t understand it..
Tony Romo is probably going to end up statistically being the Dallas Cowboys best QB in history. That is, if the ignorant don’t run him out of town first. If (when) he brings us a 6th ring all the current haters will be shamelessly touting him (barf). Of course he has his flaws, but you know damn well he’s working hard to get better. Quit your crying and get on board with TR because he’s here to stay whether you like it or not. Be patient, have faith, and be supportive. If you can’t do that, then go rejoin the bandwagon you came from before you landed here.
I’m an board with him but he might be running out of time to grow up and get better. He’s in his prime years as a QB right now. The one flaw with him having to sit and learn for so many years is that now he is starting to climb up in years. He will be 29 in April and 28-32 is most QB’s best years. I’m not saying he’s old or anything but I think some people forget that and think he’s only 25. I just hope that he matures fast enough to become a great QB and lead us back to the Super Bowl.
Super Bowl or
End your career with enough stats to get you in the Hall of Fame – such as Marino, Fouts, etc.
guess what
Romo won’t get in even with the same or better stats as them. Mostly because of our own alleged “fans”. God that’s sad..
There is a committee of professionals that decide who
gets in the Hall of Fame – it is not based on alleged “fans”
To get in the HOF – Romo will have to earn it, regardless of who likes or who doesn’t
Are these the same professionals who refused to put Bullett Bob in the HOF for so many years??
Or the ones who held up Irvin’s induction?? Or Rayfield Wright’s?? I’d say it would be more appropriate to say there’s a “committee” who decide because as we all know they don’t always act, or vote, in a professional manner.
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well I could agree with that kameleon
but my point is, Romo would not qualify for HOF statiscally, but then miss out simply because of a lack of fan base
look at what sublimezg suggested – “that Romo won’t get in even with the same or better stats as them (Marino and Fouts). Mostly because of OUR OWN ALLEGED "FANS.”
that’s ludicrous
I agree that some great players deserve to be in the Hall, but I don’t think they missed out because of a lack of fan base
It's not because of a lack of fan base
that’s obviously not the case…….
It’s because of the ENORMOUS fan base that the Cowboys have and what large percentage of them are dumb enough to actually think Romo is a bad QB. When a teams own fans are the harshest critics, even when the player in question is a great athlete and does everything he can to improve his game, it will hamper the way the rest of the world views him. You can agree or disagree all you want but you have to look no further than Roy the thong Williams. When we as fans supported him and puffed him up he makes pro bowls even when he doesn’t deserve to. And when we start to bash him? Well look at him now, he can’t land on ANY team.
Obviously there’s a difference between Pro Bowls and the HOF, but we as fans have more to do with what happens to our players in either regard than you’ll probably ever know. Believe it or not when you bash Romo as a fan, you’re not doing him any favors, just the opposite.
I am not a Romo "basher"
I’m trying to be a realist.
I have NEVER said that Romo is a bad QB. I continually have said that he is a good QB, but not a GREAT QB.
I also point to the facts. Facts are not subjective. It is what it is.
Romo’s name is attached to 22 turnovers for the Cowboys in 2008. 14 INTs and 8 Fumbles Lost.
As QB, he is the leader of the Offense and maybe even the leader of the entire team. Under his leadership we have yet to win a playoff game. I hope all of that changes this year.
I hope that Romo matures as a passer (and protects the ball much better.)
But it is very DIFFICULT to believe that whether a fan “bashes” or “brags” on Romo determines his play quality. Give me a break.
He would indeed be a VERY FICKEL QB if he only played well on Sundays if his fans bragged on him Monday through Saturday.
Ok well
Let’s get all the dirt on you and highlight it on all major and many minor networks, newspapers, blogs, and whatever other medium we can think of and see how you respond. Try going 1 waking hour without having someone ask you about the most recent dirt. Good luck on that not taking a toll Superman!
unfortunately,
this is the sports world. That’s part of making millions of dollars. Why else do you think that Parcells told the players not to read or listen to the news during the season? It’s part of the game. As a professional, you have to block it. Aikman (HOF) got booed off the field his last season. Think that was fair? Meredith got booed as well. As professionals, you have to block these kinds of criticisms out of your mind or quit. Is it easy? Of course not, but these guys are making lots of money. Don’t make up excuses for Romo because it’s part of being the QB of the Cowboys.
sublimezg, you jumped ship on me
We were talking about FAN SUPPORT, not SPORTS MEDIA.
That’s two total different animals.
I’m sure that all that bad media publicity has an effect on Romo and all players. My remark was a follow up on your previous statement about the lack of FAN SUPPORT causing detrimental play by Romo.
However, the best players seem to have what it takes to play well in spite of bad media or lack of fan support.
I submit that the support of fans rises and falls with the play of Romo, not the play of Romo rising and falling dependent upon fan support. If he wants huge fan support, all he has to do is limit turnovers, win games, especially playoff games, and his support will go through the roof.
To lose fan support, keep up the fumbles and INTs, lose big games, and stay out of the playoffs, and fan support will plummet through the floor. It is based on HIS play, not whatever FANS do or don’t do.
yes but
what do you think media gets it’s kindling from? The fans. If we boo, they jump on board and add fuel to the flame and it grows and grows. The media gets their story and the fans have something to support their claims. Everyones happy..?? All they have to do is look at what fans are saying and then jump on it. People love to hear their thoughts rehashed so they can back up their statements. It’s all linked.
Being a realist is not allowed when it comes to Tony Romo
I feel exactly as you do. There’s the camp of people who worship him like little children. They can’t see anything he could do better and make endless crazy excuses for him. Then there’s the other group who don’t recognize anything he does well. So you’re breaking the rules, you must worship blindly or think he’s terrible.
by StillHateTheGiants on Mar 31, 2009 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions
+1 or -1
I can’t decide…lol.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 31, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
The "professionals"
are mostly sports writers chosen by their local media affiliates. Subjective? It can be. Biased? Of course. But with 44 members, the HOF selection committee ensures that each team have a voice.
Teams like the Cowboys and Raiders, though, should have at least 2 voices.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 30, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Having a voice though sometimes is not enough.
If they were truly professional and committed to the goals of the HOF then you wouldn’t need to give every team a voice. They’d be able to decide simply on the evidence presented. We all know that they’re incapable of doing that and that’s why it takes so long to get some guys in. How was Michael Irvin deserving of going into the HOF on the 3rd try but not on the 1st try?? Especially when he wasn’t up against anyone else and was already in the top 6. Doesn’t sound like a group of professionals to me. Just a group of hacks.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
The question is:
Is who chooses the choosers?
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 30, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not exactly sure
Who chose Peter King and Zimmerman?? There’s no hometown so to speak for those two.
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They are listed as "At Large"
Here is the complete list of selectors. Big D has Rich Gosselin.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 30, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions
There are others who are much better examples than Michael Irvin
Rayfield Wright is the best example but I wouldn’t hang my hat on Irvin. He isn’t the first guy to not make it on his first try when you knew he was a lock. I may be in the minority, but some people do think off field behavior should be considered and he had warts. Making him wait a year or 2 is not a travesty. Making Rayfield Wright wait as long as he did was a travesty.
by StillHateTheGiants on Mar 31, 2009 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 31, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
There's no difference in the rule books between a 1st ballot HOF and a guy that got in on the 3rd try.
A Hall of Famer is a Hall of Famer. Off the field behavior didn’t count in regards to LT and it shouldn’t have counted for Irvin. If you could have gave me 6 players that first year Irvin was eligible and said these 6 are just better than Irvin then I wouldn’t have had a problem with it but instead, he made it all the way to the top 6, wasn’t up against anyone, it was just an up or down vote, and he doesn’t get in. That’s ridiculous. I would understand it MORE if he didn’t get in for as long as Wright because then you’ve got voters that have changed. You’ve maybe replaced some of the NO votes but what you had in Irvin’s case was some voters who did not vote for him that first year of eligibility just to make a point and there’s no basis for doing that. Their task is to enshrine the best the game has produced and Michael Irvin fit that description to a tee.
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You do have to calculate in the "Pete Rose" factor, though.
The HOF, yes is for guys who excelled in the sport; but, it also is meant to represent (through its membership) the integrity of the game, as well.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 31, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know.
I understand what you’re saying don’t get me wrong. I just hate it when some of these selectors come up with their own criteria for selecting guys. I’m kind of a rules person myself.
I remember when Chris Fowler was discussing the Heisman voting with Mel Kiper on the radio and he talked about how some voters had their own criteria for voting for Heisman (like some voters considered a candidate’s entire college career when voting) and Kiper jumped all over Fowler for voters coming up with their own stuff.
My biggest problem with the HOF voters when it comes to the integrity of the game type stuff is that they should at least be consistent. If you can vote LT in then you can vote Irvin in. I’ve never heard the name Lawrence Taylor and the word integrity used in the same sentence.
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But I thought LT was busted after he retired.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 31, 2009 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought he was suspended by the league while he was still playing for drugs??
At least that’s what his Wikipedia page says. It says he was suspended for his 2nd positive test in 1988.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Taylor
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He was suspended during the season.....
at least once. I can’t remember but it might have been more than once. He had a pretty bad cocaine problem. Some people even said that was why he was so mean on the field.
I heard him talking about it a few years back and
he talked about how he would snort cocaine, drink booze, and he’s be so high that he’d chew glass and stuff. I don’t know if he was joking or not but that’s some pretty freaking crap.
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Yeah, he was one mean dude.....
I still can’t forget the Monday Night Football sock thing with Theismann. I’m not a fan of Theismann, but I felt really sorry for the guy to go out like that.
Irvin and LT are not a good comparison
Sorry, Michael Irvin was not to WR’s as LT was to LB’s. We all loved Michael and I’m glad he got in, but LT set a new standard for his position. Let me also say, other than being a freak football player, he seems like a complete worthless zero, but he was unmatched at his position in his time.
by StillHateTheGiants on Apr 3, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions
He still had just as much
off the field baggage as anyone. If you’re going to hold it against one then you have to hold it against another. Also, there still isn’t a distinction between a 1st ballot HOF’er and a 3rd ballot HOF’er. It’s a made up distinction by these voters. If Irvin was qualified to go in the 3rd time he was eligible then he was qualified to go in the 1st time AND he wasn’t up against anyone else once he made it to the top 6.
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wrong jack
Romo is not in his prime yet, that has yet to come. He’s heading there soon, but quite not there yet.
In Romo we Trust
Most QBs don't hit their primes until their early 30s.
I would expect Romo to hit his later, much like Delhomme and Warner have. They are all guys who have had to work their ways up, instead of learning on the job.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 30, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
You can't really judge somone...
This early in his starting career.
Steve Young’s first two years in the NFL he went for 11 TDS and 21 INTS.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
Which is the key point:
Will he improve-as other QB’s mentioned, like PManning, SYoung, and many others have….or is what we see now the best he’s got?
Because so many of his mistakes are mental, no one to blame but himself if he doesn’t.
by Realist Larry on Mar 29, 2009 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Bingo
That’s pretty much all I’ve been saying about Romo – “so many of his mistakes are mental, NO ONE to BLAME BUT himself”
I like that you and AirForce mention Young because he and Romo are extremely similar.
They both sat behind and took over for pocket passers.
Their game is rather unorthodox at times.
They each were brought in by legendary coaches.
They each play with guts and smarts, but sacrifice their bodies to get a chance at a big play.
Both have had statistically brilliant years.
And remember that year SF stole a Superbowl from the Cowboys? Young’s famous “monkey on the back” scene on the sidelines?
With just 2 full seasons under his belt, we can’t expect Romo to have this pro game at his fingertips. He’s a gambler, much like Young and would love nothing less, but to get the job done.
I’ve lived in N.Cali almost my entire life and I don’t remember Niner fans being so doubtful about their change in QB. Most respected the trade for Montana and saw Young’s takeover as inevitable and exciting. It’s seems so much more full of doubt with Romo. Just like in the T.O. situation, I really think the national media has helped to sever respect for what Tony has accomplished and the hope he has instilled for this team.
After going through season after season without a starting quality QB, our focus can finally be on the development of younger players and filling other holes.
The Cowboys have their QB and we just have to be patient while he either dodges blindside blitzers for a scrambling, left-handed TD toss, or as he coughs up the ball after a vicious hit. We all know that it’s a 50/50 crapshoot that Romo will fumble when hit, so the best solution to that is to keep him on his feet, where he excels.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 30, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with about 98% of what you're saying!
1% in question – I do believe that Romo plays with a lot of “guts” but I’m not sure that I would add “and smarts” to his qualities. Many of his INTs, Fumbles, and Penalties can be attributed to his LACK of smart decision making.
1% in question – Only a few of those" scrambling, left-handed" type of passes in up as TDs; more than likely those are the WACKY INTs that he should intentionally throw out of bounds.
I've been frustrated by the guy enough to cuss out my TV; but, when it comes down to the end of the game and we are behind by a score or two, I know Romo gives up hope.
This differs greatly with the feeling I had with Bledsoe, who was the best QB Dallas has had between Tony and Troy. Bledsoe could be counted on to throw a pick 6 on the final drive. I’ve seen Romo, more times than not, put the team into position to win the game. His errors in the final games of the last few seasons have greatly marginalized the miraculous comebacks he has led, as well as the blowouts he’s been a part of.
When his turnovers and losses outnumber his productive numbers and wins as a starter, then and only then will I completely fear having the game in his hands.
I agree that he needs to keep both hands on the ball when the rush is on, but getting hammered so much last year should naturally provide him better pocket presence for this year. I’ve seen him duck down and take the sack (even though he looks disgusted in having to do that), but throwing the ball away should be his biggest priority this year. Considering that the team will take a more conservative approach on offense with the versatility of the RBs and the possessive force of the TEs and WRs, losing a down will be less important because they should be more focused on shortening their 3rd down yardage needs.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 30, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Ahhhh! Should be "I know Romo gives US hope".
Oh my—horrible Freudian slip.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 30, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I certainly hope there could be a higher standard
Than being better than Bledsoe.
Look, almost everything Bigrigga wrote I completely agree with. I think the problem a lot of people have with Tony Romo is that we’ve seen how good he can be. He can be off the charts good. When you know how good he can be, it makes it excruciatingly painful to watch the really bone headed plays. You just don’t see those types of plays over and over from elite QB’s. He can play with the best of them, many days I would take his play over those guys.
“When his turnovers and losses outnumber his productive numbers and wins as a starter, then and only then will I completely fear having the game in his hands.” Again, that’s not good enough for me. The good plays just have to outnumber the bad? No way that’s good enough when you have his talent. Bad plays will happen, but you have to minimize them.
by StillHateTheGiants on Mar 31, 2009 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions
why don't you admit you expect perfection?
I think you just admitted as to why fans criticize Romo so harshly, their expectations are too unrealistic.
In Romo we Trust
I think it's easy to forget that Romo came out of nowhere.
That 13-3 season really spoiled everybody—as did preseason expectations that this squad was Superbowl bound. Romo is no longer a secret weapon and teams know his flaws. Still, even I would be surprised if he failed to pass for more than 3000 yards.
Although, the offense this year may ride the brakes a little more. We need to win games with ball control. Romo’s heroics can always shine going into half-time or when we need him at the end of the game. Last year, it seemed like they were constantly trying to get him in rhythm. The game will come to him, Garrett. Just chill.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 31, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't expect perfection, I expect improvement
I just prefer players who make less mental mistakes. I see a big difference between a mental mistake and a physical mistake. Mental mistakes are a weakness that can more easily be fixed. When I don’t see a player getting better at the mental part of a game, it makes me question why. Do they not get it? Are they incapable of getting it? In Tony Romo’s case, I have the impression he doesn’t have the maturity to get it yet and that frustrates me.
by StillHateTheGiants on Apr 3, 2009 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Last year was a bit of a panicky one for the whole team, especially after the they lost to AZ and St.Louis.
Putting too much emphasis on Romo’s maturity is a bit unfair. The majority of the players on offense took a step back.
George Teague, Brock Marion--we need you!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 3, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
I assume that he is working on minimizing those bad plays, just as every other football player is doing.
Crunching time with his WRs, gettting their timing down is a given. It’s when he takes those hits that we all hold our collective breath.
Both he and Barber can ruin the faith their teammates (and fans) have in them if they continue with their bouts of fumblitis. What a shame t’would be to continue that trend into next season. These 2 guys are who will have the ball in their hands the majority of the time. When somebody finds out how they are addressing this issue, let me know.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 31, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I think what has hurt Romo.....
is all the off-the field stuff. What I mean by that is the perceived "Cabo thing, the Jessica Simpson thing, and his comments that he has made. Those things, fairly or unfairly ,have made people question his judgement, heart etc. I’m not saying either way, I’m just saying that when you put yourself out there so publicly, you are opening yourself up for criticism.
That's not the only thing to hurt Romo
In my estimate: I don’t care what he does with Jessica off the field
It is all his GAFFS on the field that I have issue with
The mishandled Field Goal snap to loose the SEA playofff game; and all those WACKY INTs instead of throwing the ball out of bounds or taking a sack.
Payton Manning, Steve Young, even Troy Aikman had horrible early years to their careers. Manning, Young, and Aikman grew out of it, matured, and turned into GREAT QBs. Now is Romo’s chance. If he doesnt’ correct his mistakes and immature play, he’ll just end up being another Good QB without being GREAT.
Do you think he still has potential?
Judging by his 2 1/2 years as a starter, when can we expect to see a point of diminishing returns?
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 30, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Potential? Yes
But I believe that this is a make or break year. We are about to find out.
Diminishing Returns? I think that if he doesn’t play well enough to get us in the playoffs this year, the diminishing returns would be felt in 2010. I would suspect that JJ would be looking for a different QB to lead this team.
keep in mind
Romo isn’t the only player that has to play well for us to make the playoffs. Its very possible he could play lights out and Cowboys not make the playoffs because our defense tanks.
No matter what happens Jerry will believe in Romo and laugh at any notions of a different qb leading this team anytime soon.
In Romo we Trust
In the event THAT happens...
THAT = Romo plays well enough to get us to the playoffs, but the defense tanks
Then JJ kepts him for more seasons, but looks to replace the DC who happens to be Wade.
However, if the oppositie happens, and the Defense ends up in the top 5, but Romo’s gaffs keep us out of the playoffs, then I think you HAVE TO CONSIDER replacing Romo AT THAT POINT.
A smart GM will work to replace the WEAK LINK. In 2008 it was the Special Teams Coach and the Defensive Coordinator, etc.
If the ‘Boys miss the playoffs DUE TO Romo’s INTs, Fumbles Lost, and Penalties – how do you NOT look for a replacement.
Terry, you said that Jerry will laugh at any notion of a different qb ANYTIME SOON – I’m not sure I agree – IF, and I am saying IF Romo’s mistakes are linked to us not making the playoffs in 2009, you know that Jerry is AT LEAST going to bring in some strong competition for the QB position.
thats not going to happen
If we fail in 2009, it certainly won’t be because of Romo.
In Romo we Trust
How can you say
that it CERTAINLY WON’T be because of Romo?
Are you Nostradamus?
We won’t know the answer to that until January 2010.
Nostradamus would say:
“a young star will dust the twinkle off his shine in the early 21st century to reveal the stubborn planetary glow for his fellow countrymen”
Okay, I’ve got to get off this thread before I get fired.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 31, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Romo has proven to be one of the best qbs in the game
I seriously doubt that all of a sudden he’s going to stink this year, that doesn’t make sense to me.
In Romo we Trust
It is time for the team to make up for Romo's mistakes rather than him having to make up for their mistakes.
JJ should be developing QBs, anyways beginning this year. Just the fact that they’ve been able to develop somebody of Romo’s calendar should give them hope that the same can be done for a guy like Brandstater.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 30, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, JJ should be developing QBs this year
Because I believe that this is a make or break year for Romo
JJ should be devloping qbs to be Romo's backup
because Kitna is long in the tooth. In 2009, Romo will do what he always does, post a 90+ qb rating and lead the team to victory 75% of the time.
In Romo we Trust
Would you quit with the 90* QB rating.....
that is just sillly statistics that don’t mean anything. Yeah, it looks good on paper but in the end it’s the wins that count. All you like to focus on is the great QB rating. Well look where it has gotten us? No playoff wins in over decade. And before you say anything, I realize Romo hasn’t been there this whole time but get off with this stupid QB rating thing because it has not translated into wins when it counts. Those are just numbers.
yea seriously
Obviously it’s up to the QB to get a W or an L. Nobody else on the team makes even the slightest difference. Everyone should wake up and see this obvious truth…
yeah numbers don't mean anything
they just get certain players in the HOF like Dan Marino and Dan Fouts, so I guess according to you they have no business being in the HOF.
Romo has much more control over his qb rating than he does wins and loses as there are 44 other players who have a say in whether the Cowboys win or lose in the playoffs.
To judge him soley on that criteria is unfair so no I’m not going to quit with the qb rating stuff unless the NFL decides they want to judge a qbs performance by a different formula.
In Romo we Trust
So, Tex
These numbers don’t make any difference to you?
Dallas Cowboys team records
Career
Games with 300+ yards passing: 16 (previously held by Troy Aikman with 13)
Season
Games with 300+ yards passing: 7 (2007)
Passing TDs: 36 (2007); previously held by Danny White with 29
Passing yards: 4211 (2007); first Cowboys quarterback to throw for more than 4,000 yards in a season
Completions: 335 (2007); previously held by White with 334
Game
TD passes: 5 (Nov 23, 2006); tied with Aikman
**
**thank you, Wikipedia
This guy has been slinging the ball for this team for just 2 1/2 years. Less than 3 years! And he missed time last year!
Were Drew Brees’ numbers last year to be ignored simply because his TEAM did not make the playoffs? Dude passed for more than 5000 yards!
Look, there’s only so much a QB can do. Sure, Romo has goofed in the past. But, where would we be without him? Would we have been trading our 51st plus some other junk for Cassel? Would we all be smitten having drafted Brady Quinn instead of waiting for Felix to come to us?
You are looking at a handful of plays to discount what this player means to this team. How fair is that? Imagine if Romo passed for 150 yards a game next year. Then, would you be using numbers to support your claim. Because when he has those horrible games (usually against Pennsylvania teams), I don’t see people holding back on glorifying how awful he performed numberswise.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 31, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Bigrigga........
I don’t think you are understanding my point. All I’m trying to say is that there is a lot more to being an elite QB than just QB ratings. Here are some pretty impressive stats: Aikman-81.6 QB Rating, Staubach 83.4 QB Rating, Favre 85.4 QB Rating, Elway 79.9 QB Rating. My point that I was trying to make is simply, don’t get all caught up in QB ratings because there’s a lot more to being a championship QB than the QB ratings system. All of the above QB’s are Super Bowl Champions. To be considered an elite QB, Romo has to win and not just put up a 90 QB rating. Fair or unfair, that is what people judge elite QB’s by. BTW, I am not a Romo hater. I think he has a lot of potential but in order for him to get to the elite status, he has to take this team on his back and win when it counts-at the end of the season. As to Terry’s point about Marino and Fouts, well that has always been the knock on them because they did not win the Super Bowl. Were they great QB’s? Yes, but they do have that stigma attached to them.
I understand that QB ratings are just stats.
You can argue the same thing when you ask how many SB rings Trent Dilfer or any practice squad player on New England has.
Obviously, Dallas can’t rely on Romo and the passing game to constantly outscore opponents. There’s a reason the Run-and-Shoot offense went extinct.
But to limit a guy’s potential because he hasn’t won a Superbowl in the past 2 1/2 years is ridiculous.
Aikman had one of the best Olines in football with the greatest RB ever behind him. The defense, though lacking ProBowlers, was a steady TEAM D. Same could be said of Staubach. Hmm…think there’s a relationship somewhere in this with how the Cowboys have achieved championships? Strong running attacks (Smith, Dorsett, Springs) and stellar team defense. Jerry & Co. should be following that equation, which it seems like they’re trying to do this year.
Both Elway and Favre took their playoff and Superbowl lumps before getting their hands on the trophy; and, each had gray hairs by the time they did so.
I’m not trying to say that Romo is Superman or anything, I just think that we all need to put things in perspective and allot for some patience with the guy. He’s still being groomed by his 2nd group of Offensive Coordinators and QB Coach, so let him grow with the rest of the team instead of repeatedly pointing out his flaws. Everybody who can see or hear knows that he’s made bad decisions with the football. There’s a reason he wasn’t drafted, and yet he still has risen to the current upper echelon on NFL QBs.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 31, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
So what does "make or break" mean?
Arguably, that could be said for any player. We’re not sending Derek Anderson or Trent Green out there. Romo is it. The only was Dallas would move on without him is if somehow, some way, JJ brought in some top 10 QB talent—or if Romo amounted 5+ concussions this year.
Romo has earned the right to be the Cowboys starting QB until he gives that job to somebody else. And, like they should, drafting/developing a new QB prospect will take years. Romo gives us that cushion and the potential to lead us to the big show. What else can you ask for in a starting QB? Less turnovers? Great! Who wouldn’t want that?
I think “make or break” ideals are for bubble guys. That was Romo 4 years ago. “Make or break” is for guys like Carpenter, Miles Austin, and contract guys like Ellis.
I agree that developing QBs should be done sooner rather than later, and I would be ecstatic to have Brandstater and even another guy make the squad and the PS, respectively. Kitna’s a bandaid (albeit a better one than Brad). Romo learned from Vinny how important it is to move the sticks with the TE. He can push the ball deep, throw off his back foot, shovel pass, scramble, do a loopdyloop and the hokey pokey to get the ball out to MB3. Unfortunately, we have to live with the Favre-like tendancies. Personally, I would take those over any other approach to the position that this team has taken in the past decade+.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 31, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree
Romo’s make or break it season has come and past and that was 2007, the year he proved he was one of the best qbs in the league.
Romo haters will just have to deal with the fact he’s going to be the Cowboys qb for at least the remainder of his contract and hopefully longer.
In Romo we Trust
I wonder if "Romo haters" is accurate.
I can see people being apprehensive about his ball-handling when he’s running around dodging sacks in the end zone. I can see them being annoyed by the media attention surrounding him.
I just can’t see people really hate what he brings to this team. It baffles me. Please folks, tell me it’s just concern and not outright hate for the guy!
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 31, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
unfortunately
I really do think there are true Romo hating fans, and it completely baffles me too. I have a suspicion that some of it is due to the fact that he’s a come from nowhere type a guy, and now he’s leading one of the worlds most prestigious teams.
But he's our starting QB.
And what more can you do at the position when you have a guy who shows flashes of brilliance, yet still has alot to prove.
I understand that new people are signing up with BTB everyday, but the Seattle, Giants, turnover thing is what it is. I’m sure he and everybody else on the team is sorry for not getting further into the playoffs, but comparing him with other QBs from Dallas’ past in a way that connotes failure is offensive. Half the people here have probably never even seen Danny White play. I mean, the first comment on this thread is ridiculous.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 31, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
I could understand if he was jerk or something
like Ryan Leaf or Jeff George, but Romo is as nice of guy as you’re going to find anywhere, why some Cowboys fans can’t cut him some slack is beyond me.
In Romo we Trust
I just don't get it.
I really don’t.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 31, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
The Romo apologists in this thread
WANT there to be real Romo haters so they can justify drinking the koolaid and carrying the cross for their hero. Fine. Good for you — feel free to speak in absolutes and deride opposing viewpoints.
Here’s what I see in Romo: A talented player that has not, as of yet, found the final piece of the puzzle that will truly put him over the top. A gamechanging QB that also makes rash decisions and has a propensity for turnovers. And this is also a leader that has not won a season-ending game even in college, so you know there’s pressure. Yep, you definitely get the bad alongside the good with Tony Romo.
Here’s the problem despite all that ability he possesses: There was an observable decline in his play last year beyond the faults in the O Line and the gameplan. His decision-making was just plain poor at times.
So maybe it’s not a make-or-break year, but it’s definitely a pivotal one. This year tells us whether Romo will become a better QB, or whether he’s just going to chug along in slow decline.
And here’s the best part: Romo is actually good enough to determine the path he will take. He can show that committment to winning on the field, or he can just stay happy enough to be playing for the Cowboys.
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Mar 31, 2009 11:41 AM CDT reply actions
Don't you get the bad with the good in every young QB?
There are no absolutes, black or whites, when it comes to a high-octane passing offense. 1300+ attempts in nearly 40 games is alot to ask of a guy coming off the bench from Eastern Illinois. He’s not David Klinger. There should be some gray times expected when you throw the ball that much, especially at a pro level.
And what is your point about him not winning in college or high school? That he’s a born loser? Sounds to me that you are speaking in absolutes.
Here are some of the past MVPs of the BCS National Championship Games:
08- Tim Tebow
07- Matt Flynn
06- Chris Leak
05- Vince Young
04- Matt Leinert
03- Justin Vincent
02- Craig Krenzel
01- Ken Dorsey
00- Torrance Marshall
99- Peter Warrick
98- Peerless Price
You say:
And this is also a leader that has not won a season-ending game even in college, so you know there’s pressure.
I may have been drinking KoolAid to wash down the stale popcorn the past two seasons, but I sure do remember Romo pulling out many more games for wins than any of these college heroes—and these are PRO games he’s helped the team win, to boot.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 31, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, so he came out of nowhere
Well, I say that’s not enough. And it’s not like this is his first year out of college. He paid his dues learning on the sideline. There should be no reason to temper your expectations if this is THE GUY.
And I believe that I already qualified my point about his history of being on the losing side in such games — it can mentally affect you, and force you to press. It’s just another hurdle in his path, monkey on his back, etc. I’ll thank you to not put words in my mouth again.
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Mar 31, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Words in your mouth? Those are yours there in the blockquote!
What alternatives do you have in mind for the position, then? Drafting somebody? This team is growing with each other and unless they can swing up for a top notch guy, they can’t wait another 2-3 years for a QB to develop. FA? Taking somebody another team doesn’t want anymore isn’t much of an option when you have a starting quality QB.
I agree that fear of losing can “force you to press”, but I don’t attribute that to Romo’s Favre-like ways. He presses just like Barber presses to gain that extra yard or two, just like Witten drags dudes for the first down.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 31, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Just to clarify
You seem to think I’m implying Romo is a born loser. Not so. I’m just pointing out that he has yet to win in those circumstances.
Alright, alternatives. Currently: none. Romo is our QB for at least three years. I’m saying that based on the upcoming season, we’ll get a better idea of whether he’s going to be stepping aside after that period or continue playing. And I’ve mentioned this before, but the Cowboys should really draft a QB next year— the round they draft one will depend on how Romo performs.
And regarding the pressing issue, I agree that it’s not responsible for Romo’s wild ways — in fact, we will hopefully never see the full effect of a mental block like that. Instead, I say Romo’s weakness is that he doesn’t take what the defense gives him, especially when the Cowboys are ahead. Sometimes, he gets away with it, and sometimes it’s just disaster. He needs to learn that it doesn’t have to be the big play. IMO, this is what I want to see from him next year — and this part of his decision-making is what I saw regress last year.
Let’s see which way the pendulum swings.
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Apr 1, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm on board with all of that.
Just like we need to be patient with his growing pains, Romo does need to be patient with how he reacts to the defenses. Learning to do so would definitely cut down on turnovers and those near-catastrophes that give us all heart attacks.
I know it’s unlikely, but I would want them to draft 2 QBs this year—assuming they keep more picks than they need. Taking Brandstater in the mid rounds and a guy like Harrell with their last pick. I have no idea who the 2010 class will offer at the position—maybe they have their eye on a guy who’s expected to come out then. Nevertheless, keeping 3 active QBs on the roster + a practice squad guy is what this organization should be doing. They’ve been trying to get away with 2 QBs for too long.
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by Aaron Novinger on Apr 1, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
If winning in college
were a prerequisite to having a successful pro career then Cutler wouldn’t be here.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
Speaking of Cutler.....
can you believe that the Broncos are actually putting him up on the “trading block?” I saw on ESPN that Wash. could be making a move for him. I hope that doesn’t happen.
I haven't watched ESPN lately
I’m not what you would call Cutler’s biggest fan but that would be a big mistake IMO. You don’t get rid of franchise QB’s who have proven that they can play in this league. You fix whatever went wrong and move down the road.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
Excellent reply accidental innuendo
I couldn’t have said it any better.
My guess is that the Romo haters are not Cowboys fans.
We Cowboy fans have come to expect Super Bowls victories, spoiled we may be, but that is just the way it is. Actually Jerry has that same high expectation of his team, not just Super Bowl appearances, but Lombardy Trophies.
Right now, Romo is our QB, and he is a good QB. My point earlier still stands, if Romo can’t lead us into the playoffs with some victories, he will be replaced, weather you like it or not – with this qualifier – if HIS GAFFS are the reason we don’t advance in the playoffs.
I do agree with you and AI, Bishop except for that "what-if?" scenario.
Who would be his replacement next year? The young talent on this team suggests that the rebuilding process is just about complete. We just have holes to plug from year-to-year. Replacing the quarterback would throw a pretty big monkeywrench into whatever season they do so. I would think he would have to completely fail this year to warrant such a hiccup going into 2010.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 31, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank you, I've now seen the light
I now hate Tony Romo. I shall now spite him every chance I get until he is run out of town. Once that’s happened I’ll do it to the new QB that we get, but probably even more since in all probability he’ll be 1/3 the Qb Romo is. Back to sub 500 season’s we’ll go, but hey, at least then we’ll truly know the QB sucks and we’ll all be ok with it. Right?
/thread
We can also look for college pitchers and try to convert them into NFL QBs.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 31, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Drug addicts? huh?
going a little over board ya think?
I wasn't understanding your comment.....
Excuse me,so please quit using that tone with me okay? I was just wondering what you meant by drug addicts.
Getting cut didn't even stop Quincy from using.
I will never forget an interview I saw of him when he was playing with the Shreveport Battle Wings.
The interviewer asked him if he’ll ever use drugs (I think she said marijuana—couldn’t find it on youtube) and he paused for a few, long seconds; then, he gave her some vague response like “I think tho”. She repeated the question and he gave the same answer again.
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by Aaron Novinger on Apr 1, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
That's really sad isn't it......
Didn’t he just get arrrested recently for drugs/alcohol again?
Yeah, again
I remember just a year or so ago he was in such a bad way that when he got arrested he couldn’t find anybody to even bail him out. Randy Galloway actually put up his bail money for him because he felt so sorry for him.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
Sucks.
I was really pulling for him back in the day. Watching Vinny sling it to JWitt and TGlenn made me forget quickly, though.
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by Aaron Novinger on Apr 1, 2009 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I know Vinny wasn't the answer but
It was sure nice to see a QB again who could hit the broad side of a barn from 10 yards away.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
I think Parcells had a crush on him, too.
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by Aaron Novinger on Apr 1, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions
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