Memo to Jerry: Throw Your Cap Over the Wall. Throw Roy Williams Into the Street
Roy Williams wants to know what his future holds immediately, so his agent, Jordan Woy, has asked the Dallas Cowboys to either cut or trade the strong safety by today.
-- Todd Archer, Dallas Morning News, 3/3/09
"Frank O’Conner, the Irish writer, tells in one of his books how as a boy, he and his friends would make their way across the countryside and when they came to an orchard wall that seemed too high and too doubtful to try and too difficult to permit their voyage to continue, they took off their hats and tossed them over the wall – and then they had no choice but to follow them. This Nation has tossed its cap over the wall of space, and we have no choice but to follow it."
-- John F. Kennedy, 11/21/63
Permit me a weeee bit of exaggeration. Cutting Roy Williams is a laughably small goal compared to committing a nation to walking on the moon. But for a Cowboys team that still believes it can voyage to the Super Bowl, tossing Williams represents nothing less than tossing its hat over the metaphorical wall.
Poor safety play, as we have noted for years, has held this team back. Ken Hamlin's addition has been a step forward, but a modest one at best. If Jerry and the rest of his organization are serious about advancing, it's time to toss that hat over the wall, and force themselves to find someone or someones who can play safety at the line of scrimmage and in coverage.
Roy is the double-dog daring them to throw it. Do it Jerry. You'll have lots of support:
Williams has no market value in the NFL. In fact, he had very little market value before he signed his big contract with the Cowboys. He forces coaches to make adjustments to keep him from being on the third level and he's a major liability in zone or man coverage.
-- Michael Lombardi, The National Football Post, 3/3/09
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We choose to send a team to the Super Bowl...
and return them safely to Dallas, before the end of this decade.
Not because it is easy,
but because it is hard.
Bye bye Roy...
You were great the first year or three when you teased us with what should have been a long carreer ending in Big D. But at this point, if you can go elsewhere and better fit into a defensive scheme, so be it. Best wishes RW1…..
Now, the question is, who the heck is going to fill that spot…..Keith Davis?
What is the plan guys?
lol...your kidding right ?? Watkins can't play in the box...he's like big bird with no wings and a crooked neck..
Not know for his tackling ability in tight spots..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 3, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
His nickname in our office is
Crepe Myrtle. He can’t jump and just kinda stands there like a tree in the hopes that the ball hits one of his immobile branches. I had high hopes for Crepe Myrtle, now they are gone
that is not a plan i bet he is cut because of his injuries as well. We will pick someone up I'd bet on it.
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
get ready for a quincyyyyy backlash!
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
ok, what are the options right now??
I don’t see any FA’s knocking on the door to play safety. Keith Davis looks like he may not be back. They have no faith in Courtney Brown. So who do we have left…..oh yeah RW will be gone very soon..so who?? a rookie..not likely, no way…
Didn't you learn your lesson from last season
“There is no way a rookie CB will be 3rd on the depth chart, Alan Ball will play that role.”
You never know until after the draft and who wins out in TC and preseason.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
Well, we drafted two, one in the first round so..
It was Newman and Henry starting the season. Injury forced the rookies into the lineup. So yes, they were not starters going into the season.
Umm….no Ball is not going to play safety..
Hamlin needs to stay at FS.....He is not the answer to play SS here...
There will be quite a few SS available FA througout the next few weeks, and of course we may pick up one or two in the draft…relax…..this is way too premature to be panicking.
.Maybe Roy makes nice and takes a pay cut ?? lol….yeah right.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 3, 2009 10:16 PM CST up reply actions
Disagee...Hamlin is a SS sorry.....
He played his best in Seattle at SS. The reason he got the nickname “Hammer”. We will be getting down to the bottom of the barrell for FA’s very soon so don’t count on on one of these scrubs coming in and starting for us at FS or SS.
I’m not panicking…just start warming up to Watkins starting at safety, FS or SS….
Just add another mosnter linebacker like Ray Lewis
And blitz the house on every play….play with only Hamlin back there and bring in an extra guy to kill the QB. Send Ware, Ellis (Can’t believe he is still around), Lewis, Ratt and let’s see how good the QB’s do with 1 second to make up their minds.
wasn't that what they did last year?
they led the league in sacks.
You’ve got to plug that hole sooner or later.
True....
We’ll have to live with our deffense giving up the stupid play from time to time then as I don’t see who in our team can cover that spot (not Davis and not Watkins)….Jut wish our CB would turn for the ball when the receivers do to at least make the QB’s think twice before throwing it up in the air…..or…..
Back to plan A…score more than your opponent. Protect the QB, use Witten, T.O, Austin, RW (the one and only….finally) and the the three headed monster to score at will.
Your right. They wont address the position correctly if they think they have B no matter how poorly plan B is.
I wanted to keep him til we had a known placement but when put in those terms and JJ history, cut him.
Stop this Madness
Raf, please withdraw this post asap.
Roy Williams is a Pro-Bowl safety who has been a starter for the Cowboys since he came into the league in 2002. He has compiled a high light reel of destructive hits and would be a valuable addition to any team in the NFL. I insist that every one on here make a positive comment about Roy.
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
OK
So, in case any body from another team was reading…I mean if you’re selling a used car, you don’t say it makes weird noises and the engine leaks oil! You talk about how good the prospective buyer will look as he drives along in this wonderful machine. Right?
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
I thought someone
must have hijacked your account. Whewwwww.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
Roy Williams is electric and fans love to buy his jersey
He’d make a valuable contribution to Minnesotta.
Hey general audience, what ever came of Poison Pills in High Tender situations? Remember what happened between Minnesotta and Seattle with Steve Hutchinson? Can that still happen?
by AustonianAggie on Mar 3, 2009 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
roy is a consumate Guy. He will put on his uniform and play if given the chance. He can run and walk.
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
that was my attempt to say something nice. Like i said yesterday he'd be lucky to get picked up by anyone.
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
Have you seen
who’s playing (or not playing I should say) safety in Denver these days? They might not want his contract but he would start immediately for that team.
who Dawkins? Nope I m sure he is an upgrade over thong.
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
He's...
good against the run and better at zone coverage but Dallas wouldn’t have paid what Denver paid him, and neither would almost any other team in the NFL.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
By the way....
I do own a Row Williams Jersey…..this joke will cost me an extra $200 bucks. Screw the bastard.
I have learned
only get jerseys of retired guys.
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Mar 3, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
LOL
I agree I have a J.Jones jersey that I might have worn twice.
I should have bought an E.Smith jersey.
You wouldn't have won if we'd beaten you.
- Yogi Berra
I bought the E. Smith jersey years ago
As soon as he went to the Cardinals it became a retro jersey. Worked out good.
i have a Romo, Witten, and Barber
and they’re safe to stay for a few more years (i hope) lol
and i got an aikman from when i was a kid
"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips
The wife bought herself an Owens jersey
a couple days before the Philly debacle. Now we’re sweating it and hoping it’s not now worthless.
nice
im pretty sure hes gonna stay
and yea i never pay more than like 60 for a current jersey
"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips
BTW....depending on how big a person is....
I get my teenage son an XL Kids and save about 20 a jersey.
Yeah, thats what I do
I’m 17 and I used to just buy an XL youth and it fit perfectly and was 20 bucks cheaper.
"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips
You're about the same age as my son...
Why spend an xtra 20 bucks for the same jersey . Plus the jerseys are so big.
There are so many "authentic jersey" websites out there now...
I haven’t paid more than $50 for a legit, everything sewed on, sleeves with the elastic jersey in 4 years. I’m like illcowboy, I got an Owens jersey the day he was signed for $20. That year he dropped one more ball than he had TDs, so I got angry and cut the name off of the back. Now I just have an 81 jersey. My long-term, not going anywhere jersey is my D-Ware Thanksgiving Day jersey.
by AikmanNailedMySis on Mar 4, 2009 7:42 AM CST up reply actions
Man, I hope people weren't stupid enough to buy his #38 jersey last year...
I know I have two #31’s I now use to check my oil with…lol
lmao...lucky to never had bought into him....
i probably got everyone’s but his..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 3, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
I only got mine because it was on ebay for 15 bucks.
I figured if nothing else I could take the name off the back.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
If it had been
twenty I would have waited for another jersey.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
Try having
a Vanderjagt jersey.
(just kidding)
How about a Tony Banks jersey
Heck that might be a collector’s item, like a misprinted baseball card.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
So do you have Quincy Carter's too? lol
Funny story-when my two sons were young, they went to Jay Novacek’s football camp. Anyway, at the time they brought in Quincy Carter, Pete Hunter and some other guys. They signed both my son’s football. We thought that the ball was going to be really valuable….man, were we wrong-lol
I rock the Quincy Carter jersey
every year for our annual thanksgiving game we play at our friends.. could never wear it anywhere else
A Cowboy fan from Dallas residing in enemy terretory since 1990..
You don't think Jerry has been doing his best selling job
on Roy?
There’s too much tape. Every other team in the division, the Giants especially, are hoping he stays. Kevin Gilbride’s job will get at least 10% harder if he knows Roy is no longer in Dallas’ secondary.
It seems like the Giants used to get him every year with a bomb, maybe every time they played
Giants more than anyone else took advantage of him
by AustonianAggie on Mar 3, 2009 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
Oh yeah
they used to kill him one-on-one vs. Shockey.
Then they dumped Shockey and Gilbride got him one-on-one vs. Amani Toomer.
They build their passing game plans around attacking Roy.
You are forgetting about the Skins game?
Remember the Santana Moss Monday night game-2 long TD’s with maybe 2 minutes left in the game?
The Saints
abused him too. Actually they are the ones who first exposed him in coverage. Freaking no good sobs.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
Even before then every Giants game they got a deep bomb off against Roy
usually on their first drive
by AustonianAggie on Mar 3, 2009 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
(sigh)
you love picking at scar tissue, don’t you texstar?
Naw, I just had to throw in my two cents worth....
for what it’s worth which aint much-LOL
It is the
game Roy Williams died in the eyes of the world.
If he would learn
to watch film and study the opposition, he could be good again. I’m not sure if he is just that thick, or if he just doesn’t care. It seems without someone back there holding his hand he can not decide what to do. If you have one of those safeties that can point out to Roy what is going on he can be effective.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
Unfortunately, from what I just read on DC.com....
it’s pretty much over. His agent is talking like it’s just a matter of time.
The thing is...
I don’t know if he has the mindset or will to do all of that.
What would make you think that the light would come on all of a sudden?
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
I don't think it is a switch
kind of thing. I think if he applied himself and studied he could get better. He will probably never return to pro bowl form, but he could atleast try.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
Yeah...
You’d think he’d try… but nothing has shown me that his willing.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
I'm not gonna
argue with that. That is his biggest problem with fans. If the coaches were coming out and saying he was coming in early and staying late then maybe we could cut him some slack. But, all we hear is talk that he is not even at Valley Ranch working in the team facilities. They have OTA’s and he takes vacation? Dude, get a grip when people are already watching your ever move, then you had better make every move a good one. ARE YOU LISTENING TONY?
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
Haha...
Yeah but Romo is generally known for working hard.
I don’t think his problems are with practice as much as preception.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
It seems kinda quiet right now......
so I’m wondering if the Boys are up to something. Maybe wishful thinking
Any word on
us being one of the “dozen teams” interested in Jason Taylor to run opposite Ware? He was so misused last year in Washington and only 1 year removed from an MVP season as the prototypical 3-4 OLB.
Jason Taylor
might take Greg Ellis’ spot for less $$$
by AustonianAggie on Mar 3, 2009 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
I mean, Demarcus Ware is in the Jason Taylor mold
Taylor was the guy Ware was on his way to being like in Ware’s 1st and 2nd year – If Taylor has anything left, they could be very fearsome together. Never the less we need a new safety more than anything
by AustonianAggie on Mar 3, 2009 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
I believe Jason Taylor would accept less than the 6 million Ellis is about to receive.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 3, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
he cewrtainly would take less than 8 million...he just threw out 8 million cuz he didn't want to commit to a 25 day workout session..
He has made well over 50 million in his career…money is no issue to guys like him…He can be had for the same money as Ellis, if not less……
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 3, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
If Roy was wise, he'd keep his head down rather than try to force
Jerry Jones’ hand. But he’s never been wise, in anticipating the play or in his whiney conduct.
I agree.....
why go public and his agent is talking too. You’re just ruining any value for yourself.
I'll bet he gets some nibbles if he's cut
but he would get paid a lot more if he was traded and his new team honored his current deal.
He’s never gonna see that kind of money again.
Actually he is ruining
his value for Dallas. With him flapping his yap he becomes less valuable to Dallas by the nanosecond. If I had been Jerry as soon as the words left his mouth I would have cut him and all the baggage he came with.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
I wonder Raf? Who would even consider him,the Bengals,Lions or Raiders maybe?
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
No one.
He is not Ocho Cinco. He can’t ask to be traded or cut and garner interest. Other teams will wait for him to be cut, then take a cheap as heck flyer on him. Unless he has another miracle season, his big paydays are well behind him.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
Hey, after the Seattle playoff loss, I called him David Fulcher Jr.
Fulcher was Roy I, a huge SS who had some monster years when Cincy went to the Super Bowl in ’88.
Then, he lost a step and it was over.
Al Davis tried him at WOLB and he couldn’t do it.
I think Roy might get his wish from:
— a team that plays a lot of man and could play him in the box a lot or;
— a team that sees him as a WOLB, somebody who plays 4-3.
Oh well
my replacment for Thong is gone
FoxSports.com’s Alex Marvez reports S Jim Leonard has verbally agreed to terms with the Jets.
Verbal agreements, are they going to pay him in compliments
I can’t imagine the Dallas staff is undervaluing safeties?
by AustonianAggie on Mar 3, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
Here is a new development
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/03/broncos-jump-into-the-bidding-for-leonhard/
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
It's a done deal...Leonhard is signed by the Jets...
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 3, 2009 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
yes
Jets | Leonhard agrees to terms
Tue, 03 Mar 2009 10:10:16 -0800
Updating previous items, John Clayton, of ESPN.com, reports the New York Jets have agreed to a three-year deal with free-agent FS Jim Leonhard (Ravens), according to sources. Financial terms of the deal were not available.
i still believe he's too small, and although he played well in a emergency situation last season, his long term production is limited..
I’d like him here, but I wouldn’t view him as a long term starter…move of a Bill Bates nickle safety..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 3, 2009 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
It's mute now
but that guys has good return ability so I wouldn’t think he was as slow as Bill.
Roy Exposed
I believe that Roy’s weakness was first exposed by the Patriots in 2003. The Pats got a couple of long bombs on him that game. That was the first I can remember of any team singling him out and throwing over him.
Its hard to believe that only 5 years ago
Roy Williams was the Cowboys best player..my, how times have changed.
In Romo we Trust
No not even close Terry. TO is still productive and forces D coordinators to scheme for him.
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
I meant in terms of team chemistry
Right now, the team is divided between T.O. supporters and T.O. haters, kind of like this blog.
Jerry needs to get rid of T.O. to unify the team so they start playing as a team rather as a bunch of selfish individuals, lead by the ring leader of selfishness himself.
In Romo we Trust
no...this blog is divided...not the team....stop using your "unknown sources" to sell your agenda...
there has been nobody on this team who has said TO is distraction, and is dividing the team….
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 3, 2009 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
I was in
the process of writing a similar response but you said it better than I could. BTW Rnumba1, me and you all the way on the William Moore pick but I think we might have to move up a little to get him if we really want him.
I'm of the opposite opinion
I think Moore can be had at 69.
I saw a NFP mock yesterday that gave Moore to Dallas and had Duke Robinson going one pick later.
If Dallas came up and both were on the board, I’d go G and take my chances with the S.
There will be other SS options if Moore goes. The G pool ain’t deep, and Dallas needs one.
Yep...
Every mock I have has Moore being a third round to late second.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
As much as I like him, I would be hesitant to forfeit a 4th round pick to do so....unless it was a coveted OL player like Mack or Robinson.
I happen to think Moore might drop to our 51 range….It’s too hard to tell right now, I have to see how Free Agency has affected other teams( who has signed free agent safeties ) in front of us before i get a clearer look at how things will fall..Right now, I think Moore, Delmas, and Chung will be there at #51, but if we can get a better value( LB or OL or DL ) I would hold off on safety with our first pick , and see how things are going in the 60’ range, and if anything, trade up with our 3rd rounder to get a safety…
A for instance…prior to FA, Miami was seriously looking to upgrade their interior O Line, especially at Center…well, they just picked up C-Grove from Oakland, which will ideally prevent them from going OL early in the 2nd round….but they will be looking at WR’s, LB’s and Safeties now…so who knows how that will trickle down on us… I can give plenty of other scenarios as well…but I’m going to save that for a huge pre draft posting…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 3, 2009 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
I hear what
you and Raf are saying but Moore has an advantage that none of the others has which is size. I have really ugly dreams of Brandon Jacobs getting to the third tier of our defense and Delma’s 186 pound ass trying to stop that train. Not a pretty picture. However, if Duke Robinson and Moore were both there at #51, I would take Robinson and face those sleepless nights. I think Robinson goes before #51. The man is a beast.
Sorry,
that’s a typo. It should have said 196 lbs which is still a little light in the rear for the tyoe of work I’m talking about.
Delmas did beef up for the combine (about 10lbs), but I believe his better playing weight is his listed 190-195 range..
He’s actually a undersized SS, with mere average coverage skills…that’s why i’m skeptical of him..I like him over Johnson, but he truely isn’t a prototype SS. or FS…He’ll have to play FS in the NFL, but he’s more known for his run support and tackling ability. Moore has a better mixture of both…size and ability to cover…but i’ll take whoever we get….no biggie…I’m prefering an OL in the 2nd anyways..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 3, 2009 10:25 PM CST up reply actions
Rnumba...what is your position on Chung?
by nicholas.rodriguez on Mar 4, 2009 1:41 AM CST up reply actions
Really not a big fan...I think he lacks height, and coverage ability.
A pure in the box SS, yet is too small in my opnion to be effective in there among the big guys…He’s the ultimate tweener, a smallish LB, trying to play the SS position…doesn’t poccess much ball skills, hands are small, and arms are short. He would make for a really good special teamer, and doesn’t shy away from hitting, but I can see elusive RB’s and huge TE’s having a field day against this guy in open space…Of course I don’t have my own website to post a top 75 players list, but if I did, he wouldn’t be in it. I just don’t like what i’ve seen of him, but he is probably my third or fourth rated SS, only because this is a fairly weak class of safeties. Of course others will hold him in higher regard. He’s just not what I look for in today’s Strong Safety.
That all being said, IF we draft him at # 51, I’d crap, then cry….At # 69, I’d go along with it, and hope for the best. Of course I took that same approach with Barbie Carpenter, and I’m still waiting for him to get on the field.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 4, 2009 8:41 AM CST up reply actions
Even if their were players who dont like him I dont think they would come out.
If he helps Romos game more than he hurts it keep him. If he throws off the offense forcing the ball too him then let him go. Stats mean nothing if we are losing. Aaron Brooks had greats stats and lost.
I think a 'verbal agreement' is something the club says in order to
put public preasure on the player. Or the player says it to put public preasure on the club. But that is all.
That sounds so wroooong, you should tag that line "nightmare fuel".
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
LMAO
Cringe inducement
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
Nobody would trade for RW
He’ll be a UFA soon, its funny he has not been the same player since he broke TO’s leg.
Anybody remember the game he TRIPPED over a referee and got burned for a TD?
I do
I remember the ref with blanket coverage on the receiver and Roy trying to catch up to them both
Waiting ...
for Tex to somehow make this into a “trade Romo” thread ……
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
adding cromartie
i dont see why we wouldnt trade our third and someone like carp to san diego for cromartie, it would be making up for a mistake for not taking him years ago, and putting him in a position of need (id attempt moving him to safety)..
Its no riskier than adding a rookie with our second rounder, whom you dont know will pan out. or getting a FA not even good enoughj to stay with his own team…(by the way i like FA, im not one of its bashers claiming there nothing but washed up has beens, or never was’s… i just dont think the FA crop of safetys are any better than this given alternative)…
i think if cromartie can be had for a second and a back up who never sees the feild and we neglect it, and choose to pick up a safety in the draft with our second rounder that gets as lost as i was on my trip to brazil last summer, we will be kicking ourselvees in the arss
I don't know how serious SD is with trading him...
I mean wasn’t it just two years ago that he was a pro bowler?
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
ha
while i get your point, and totally agree with you, but roy williams was a pro bowler just two years ago too!!!!!
by missingthe90s on Mar 3, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
Ha...
Roy was one by name, Cromartie had a ton of picks and made alot of plays.
I just don’t understand why they would do that.
I think all the secondary for SD was hurt last year by the lack of a pass rush.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
They were, and Cromartie is a stud
Cromartie may of had a bad year but he’s closer to elite than average
by AustonianAggie on Mar 3, 2009 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
Roy was this close to being my favorite Cowboy.
His first 2 seasons, I guess thanks to Woodson, he was just awesome. It seemed like every time the opposing team was near either goal line, ours or theirs, Roy W was going to blow something up and make a game changing play. Sigh.
I do blame coaching somewhat for him being exposed so often. I don’t blame coaching for his decline, but we got burnt a couple of times a game, every single game, for 3-4 years, with the same basic game plan. Um, isn’t it the coaching staff’s job to figure out how to fix that. If it can’t be done with your current personnel, you have to acquire someone the next year. It went on for years.
by Baked Potato Soup on Mar 3, 2009 1:22 PM CST reply actions
I'm with you somewhat...
Five years ago Roy was just the man, I mean I loved the dude.
I don’t blame the coaches too much for him being exposed the first few years. I think at first everyone figured that the mistakes he was making were coachable.
And to an extant they are, bad angles, zone coverage… I mean safeties get beat man to man so that’s not bothersome to me.
The problem was that he never got any better and in fact he got worse. That liablitiy in coverage used to at least be made up for the fact that he forced fumbles or made wide receivers scared to go across the middle of the field.
I honestly think that by the time they figured out that he had sank, Jerry had invested alot of money into him. Plus they were needing to address both safety positions and I think after they got Hamlin, the coaching staff was hoping that he would make up for Roy’s misshaps.
Jerry sometimes can be faulted for being way too loyal to his players, and Roy let him down.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
Well said.
Roy was always a liability in coverage to one extent or another. However, back when he was a tackling machine at the LOS and made opposing WRs and TEs live in fear of catching the ball and getting lit up anywhere on the field, those coverage lapses were excusable (at least in my eyes).
It was when Roy stopped doing the things that made him Roy that I tired of him.
The problem with Roy was he became a dinosaur...
Offenses changed. There are more vertical pass catching TE’s now. Speedy RB’s and more 3 and 4 WR formations than before. The reason why most of the FS and SS in the league are basically CBs now.
Yeah...
But he’s a mental error waiting to happen.
Even you’re stop the run first safeties can play a little zone.
Roy’s tackling has even went to crap.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
very true
Roy is a Ronnie Lott clone, who in this day and age who obviously struggle in pass coverage as well.
He’s an old school player who would have been truly great when SS were really SS. Today, there is not much difference between the skill sets needed to play SS and FS, they both have to cover and tackle well.
In Romo we Trust
You sho 'bout dat?
You do know that Lott started his career out as an all pro corner? Right? Roy is a Ronnie Lott clone like Adam Morrison is a Larry Bird clone. Hey, come to think of it, Morrison’s even an infamous crybaby, too.
The only part I agree with you on is Lott would struggle today; because he’s 49 years old. But he’d still probably be a better more consistent hitter than Roy whose flying shoulderblocking er I mean tackling has sucked for quite some time now.
Haha...
Yeah I thought the same thing.
Ronnie Lott could cover, he was just know more for his spine shattering hits.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
williams
From whatever angle you look at it, the cowboys need a new strong safety….and a wide-body defensive tackle to replace Tank Johnson and give Ratliff a breather. Probably no more than one of those needs can be met through free agency (perhaps SS), meaning the use of the second (or, at worst, third) round pick on the other…. every team that plays Dallas schemes to exploit our safeties, and there is little that can be done to improve the defense (and the team as a whole) without addressing that weakness first…. to paraphrase, whether safety is ten percent or ninety percent of the problem, its the first ten percent or ninety percent…
Did you see this comment?
This is what Roy Williams agent said in a response to why Roy has struggled recently.
I think the defensive scheme changed. In the early days Roy was much more up on the line and attacking plays and doing his thing. In the defense they’ve moved to in the last few years, he’s more a guy who’s back off the line, he has to do a lot more covering. It just doesn’t play into Roy’s style of play as well.
What a load of crap, Roy got to play on the line plenty in 07 and besides one big hit on Ryan Grant, he never did anything.
All of his blitz’s were useless, he ran right into the offensive line every time.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
Rots o Ruck Gettin' a Job, Roy...
You pulled a bank job on da King and got away with it!!!
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
I know I'm about to get blasted for this but.......
why all the hate for the guy? I know about all his deficiencies etc. and I’m not saying keep him but why do you guys hate him so much? Has he done something to ya? I mean I can understand the Pac-Man hate but what has Roy done to you to hate him so much?
I think most fans who have serious dislike for him are feeling a range of emotions
disappointment of what could have been, anger at the attitude he has shown to the media when he is under scrutiny; and frustration with the fact that his contract kept him on this team one year longer than he should have been. I think JJ would have pulled the trigger a year sooner if the cap hit wasn’t so big.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
I don't hate him.
I just think that he’s lazy and is a finger pointer.
Instead of trying to get better he blames the scheme or the coaches or blah blah.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
It's a favorite pasttime for a lot of Cowboys fans
I don’t think the level of hate is warranted, I just feel let down and disappointed by how his career went.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
He gets to me
because he’s gotten huge money, freelances, and then blames everybody but himself.
He’s thin-skinned and loves to whine in the press.
Thats why.
Roy presented us
with some of the most gut wrenching losses. You even brought up the Washington game. I brought up the New Orleans game that Roy single handedly lost for the team. How many TD’s has Roy trailed and then pointed to someone else? Those are my reasons anyway. I don’t hate him as a human being, but as a player for the Dallas Cowboys? OH YOU BET!!!!
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
Ok, I understand everything that you guys are saying.....
I just don’t understand why some are calling him bas…. and other mean names. Most of you are pretty funny, but there’s a couple that are just a little too over the top and calling him bad names. Believe me, I understand where your coming from, but by the token there are some that when Romo makes some bone-headed decisions that considered okay. I’m not trying to get on the Romo things so let’s not go there. I’m just trying to understand the difference. Can you explain?
That's just how some people act...
Read the boards during a game, it’s much worse.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
Fair enough.....
Again, I’m not trying to call anybody out, I’m just trying to understand the difference. Make sense?
Yep...
No real reason, and trust me Romo gets the same kind of comments during game time, maybe even worse.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
I think
texstar can be excused. I’m not sure about Terry.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
Thanks, I'm not trying to get into talking about Romo.....
but he’s the one that is talked about the most especially Terry. I can’t compare him to TO cause it’s not a fair comparison.
OIC
I don’t know what makes people like that tick either.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
He has engendered my hate by being a punk as# bit%^. He talks like he's the man but plays like my neighbor Sally.
He’s one of the 5 most expensive players on the team and he has done nothing but fail and fail epically . When we lose i am crushed and too many way too many of those whifs can be layed squarely at his feet. stop worrying about what makes us tick or why we dislike him so much and start praying Jerral has a plan to fix that gaping cavernous hole that is out SS position.
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
Understand that, so why do you defend Romo when he screws up?
I’m just trying to understand the difference without getting off on the Romo bashing. Why the double standards? Romo says thing too.
I never defend romo i am of the opinion that he is the best we have or can hope to have at this time. i would trade him for Cutler based on upside alone. I am very harsh on" Mr. Just gameplan for my one guaranteed turnover a game"
There is no double standard there from me. I am still holding out hope he will pull his heqad from his rear and start making better decisions. the difference between romo and roy is clear though, Rome still makes plays. Roys best play last year was hurting himself so he could get the hell off the field.
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
Fair enough....
I’m wasn’t trying to point you out so please don’t take it personally.
I'll take a stab without sounding like a homer.
Romo makes bone head plays but he generally makes more big plays then bad ones.
Roy has only made one really big play I remember over the past few years and that was the INT against Philly in that comeback win.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
Its all good Texstar. And AFB is dead on. Thats the real difference he's past his prime and is useless to us.
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
I remember his first and second year
he made about six game changing plays per year. After that I think he has still made 6 game changing plays per year, but they were all the wrong way. He is not always directly responsible for the losses, but he is very nearly associated.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
Yep...
You know what I would like out of a safety?
To not know he exists.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
Very, very true....
In fact, I can’t name most safeties except for Ed Reed and Polamalu. Kinda strange isn’t it?
I remember that Philly game very well......
plus the horse collar on TO in another game. You’re right, Airforce I haven’t seen the boards during games so I can’t see what guys are saying about others. Believe me, I’m not defending Roy, it’s just amazing to see some of these guys comments about someone…I’m not talking about you btw .
They are just giving
out the “Tough Love”.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
Romo makes mistakes
Romo also makes plays.
Roy’s game has deteriorated to nothing.
— He can’t cover.
— He doesn’t tackle well any more.
— He’s not a smart player. I can cite several games where mental errors cost Dallas big.
— He’s a sloppy player. The horsecollar rule was created for him. And yet two years after
it’s in effect, he’s still grabbing people’s necks and getting flagged for it.
It would be one thing if he were trying hard and an injury knocked him down, but when he’s
a well paid, lazy, dumb football player AND HE WHINES, well, how can people not get
on him.
And he was the 8th overall pick in the draft, so he’s one of the bigger disappointment for
this team.
I'm going to miss him...actually I already do.
I watch highlight videos of Roy all the time at work. What can I say, I’m a gluten for punishment. I really wanted to give him a honest last chance this year. I was willing to forgive his previous bed-sh*ttings if he performed. Then he went down with a broken arm…twice…That’s it for me. Sucks to be Roy, but good luck. Somebody will pick you up for the one big hit per year that you’ll deliver.
by AikmanNailedMySis on Mar 4, 2009 7:54 AM CST up reply actions
Ha Ha Black Sheep
I was reading on DC blog right after Henry’s trade, everyone started bad mouthing him, funny how nobody mentioned him as a problem before the trade. So somebody has to be the black sheep of the moment and I guess RW is the one now. I wish JJ cuts him asap, so he can at least find a decent suitor.
I think
Everyone was wanting to move Henry to Safety…..Because he was a liability at CB.
Plenty of people wanted Henry either gone or Moved to Safety. I think getting rid of Roy and Henry will greatly help this defense!
You'll never get in a traffic jam,while going the extra mile. -Roger staubach
Oh Roy..
You were once our beloved spine shivering, bone liquefying safety. It didn’t matter back then whether or not you were an A+ cover man, because what you lacked in coverage was always made up for with fiery, explosive tackles, that always put you one step ahead of criticism. Now those tackles have all but disappeared and that pile of ‘criticism trump cards’ have been all used up and now you’re in debt up to your ears. Well Roy, I’m afraid there’s no debt consolidating in the NFL, only bankruptcy. And as we all know, bankruptcy means leaving it all behind and starting anew. I hope that new team works out for you Roy. The memories of your great first years with us will always be cherished, and hopefully, always outweigh the bad ones.
On the Cutler thing...
Not meaning to get off track but I thought this was interesting.
Guys you need to go to SI.com and listen to the Denver guy talk about Jay Cutler.
He called him a punk and a b**ch. I’m not making that up either, he literally called him both of those words.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
-100000
He’s employable, just not tradable. He won’t be touched until he’s cut. Then teams will either give him a special teams or WOLB shot…
by AikmanNailedMySis on Mar 3, 2009 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, somebody will pick him up....
not in a trade, but some of these teams are desperate for a safety. Now that I think about it, since his agent is coming out saying realease/trade today, he probably has been in contact with someone already.
He might get another shot...
but it won’t be as OLB.
Why would a person who throw shoulder tackles and would STILL have to go back in coverage sometimes, be good enough to be an OLB?
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
He's not built right for Linebacker.
It would probably be for run defense . IMO, he probably will take a big pay cut but he has earned enough off of the Boys that it doesn’t matter. You can’t blame the guy for wanting out. The media has been pretty hard on him and I think he’s ready to get out. I’m not defending him because he’s made some stupid comments, but you can’t blame him for wanting to leave cause after a while I’m sure it gets old. Same thing will happen to Romo if he doesn’t pick up his game this year whether some guys want to admit it or not. The media has been real nice to him up until this off-season when he made some comments. So now, they will be on the hunt.
Terry, you really don't know the Dallas media do you?
They will eat him alive and spit him out if he doesnt pick it up this year.
I have followed the Dallas media for over 30 years so I think
I’m a little more qualified than you are living in Pittsburg
I follow the Dallas media
just as much as you, there’s a thing called the internet which allows that. Romo can handle any type of media scrutiny as well as anyone.
In Romo we Trust
No joke, there's an internet?????
Oh right, that’s the thing that Al Gore invented right? Time will tell Terry whether the media is so nice whenever Romo puts up another 6 interception 3 fumble game. That’s not even what my original point was to begin with. We always get back to Romo. I was talking about Roy Williams and some people call him some pretty nasty names. I said that Roy didn’t help his cause by talking with the media. Time will tell what happens with Romo concerning the media. If you want to go with blinders on your eyes concerning Romo go for it because if he puts up too many clunker games they will turn on him.
Romo rarely plays poorly
and his numbers prove that and he’s never had a 6 INT 3 fumble game so try to get your facts straight.
The Cowboys have a lot more problems than Romo having a few bad games once in a while.
In Romo we Trust
Dude, what do I have to say to get you to understand,
my point is NOT ABOUT ROMO!!!!!!!!!!! It’s about Roy!!!!!!!!!!! My point is ROY HAS PLAYED POORLY FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW. I UNDERSTAND THAT. I UNDERSTAND HE DOES NOT TALK VERY WELL WITH THE MEDIA. ALL OF THIS IS UNDERSTOOD. WHAT I DON’T UNDERSTAND IS WHEN SOME PEOPLE CALL ROY DIRTY NAMES. I WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND THAT. I UNDERSTAND THAT ROY NEEDS TO GO. DO I MAKE MYSELF CLEAR. THIS IS NOT ABOUT ROMO!!!!!!!!!!!!
that's the problem you don't even read the whole post
you only see the part about Romo.
Please, just stop
You two fighting over Romo on every other thread is BORING!
by Dave Halprin on Mar 3, 2009 10:08 PM CST up reply actions
Haha it would be fun to read as always.
Better than reading Millhauser for this essay due tommorow I have yet to start
"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips
BOOOO....
It had all the makings of a cat fight…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 3, 2009 10:28 PM CST up reply actions
I have a question...
Why do you feel the need bring up Romo being a bad player, or someone you’d want to trade, or criticize him for making admittedly bonehead plays on every thread you post on?
Seriously, what did he ever do to you? ya ya I know its about Roy, not Romo, but then again, YOU’RE the one trying to equate Roy to Romo. I think most people can easily see the difference…
When the game is on the line, it seems he ALWAYS gets the cowboys in a position to win. That’s why Romo is safe. That’s why I (and a few others) like Romo.
+100000
Even when he plays like crap most of the game he always gets us in the position to win. He bails out our defense way more than he puts them in bad positions.
by nicholas.rodriguez on Mar 4, 2009 1:43 AM CST up reply actions
+1000000000
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
Hard to judge that.
I hope not, I mean anything can happen.
But if you’re that thin skinned, then you don’t need to be a QB for a NFL team.
I’ve never really thought that the media effected him until this year, but that can go along with just being frustrated as a whole.
Different people handle things differently.
Unlike Terry, I don’t know anything, but I think that he is competitive enough and intelligent enough to take some of the advice of past QB’s and that he also wants to win.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
Let me re-phrase a little bit....
the Dallas Media drove Don Meredith out when he still had plenty of gas in his tank. He just couldn’t take the constant media criticisms. Now it’s much worse because of the internet, cable TV and etc. I’m not saying that will happen by any means, but be prepared because if you check out some of the local media now, they are starting to yap when before he was their little darling. To show the difference though, the media loved Roger Staubach, but he had them eating out of his hands. They never touched the guy.
Here's the problem with Roy as a WOLB
His tackling technique sucks.
Think of all the recent times he’s tried to take kill shots and bounced off guys cause he doesn’t wrap up.
And how often has he been flagged for the horsecollar his last two years?
I just don’t see value in him at any position. He has trouble covering TEs at 215. You puff him up another 10-15 lbs. and who’s he gonna cover then? QBs in the wildcat?
Maybe Roy can open up a day care center
He’s good with kids.
by ym on Mar 3, 2009 6:06 PM CST up reply actions
I just don't
see how Jerry will be able to trade Roy so I guess he will be gone soon.
Saw this 5 round mock: (supposedly the Gilbert kid is moving up the board)
2. Jarron Gilbert, DE/DT, SJS
3. Trevor Canfield, G, Cincy
4. Cody Brown, DE, UConn
4. Courtney Greene, S, Rutgers
5. Selvish Capers, OT, WVU
5. Frantz Joseph, ILB, Fl Atl
We dont want Greene as our option at safety
I love him as a Rutgers fan, but he is in the clone of RW. Big hitter, but gets lost in coverage..
A Cowboy fan from Dallas residing in enemy terretory since 1990..
I'd say he's better than Roy....c'mon now...
He wouldn’t be asked to be a deep safety net….He’d be moved to the SS position, and I feel pretty good with Greene going against RB’s and TE’s close to the line of scrimage…IF we were to get Greene in the late 4th round…it would be a steal…imo..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 4, 2009 8:45 AM CST up reply actions
I was thinking about the Kitna/Henry move...
And I’m wondering if the fact that Dallas traded Henry for Kitna is an indication that they were going to cut Henry anyways.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
That's what they're saying....
I think it was Star Telegram or somebody.
I think you are right about the team cutting him, henry was going to be a FA next year and they decided to
get some value out of him especially when they must feel that jenkins is going to beat him out.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
Yes, they would have IMO
Or asked him to restructure his contract. Either way he wasn’t going to be the starting RCB anymore, and the plan of moving him to FS must have just been a rumor.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
of course they were going to cut him.........btw...JJT is the dumbest write in the land..
by trading him to Detroit, they were given exclusive rights to deal with Kitna, and avoided what most definately been a bidding war for his services….
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 3, 2009 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
Tell Roy
that its nice to want things. He wants to be released and Jerry wants value for the money he has invested. Jerry certainly hasn’t got value and Roy certainly won’t give back the money. Maybe thats the solution. Roy give back the prorated bonus and then Jerry can release him without loosing any more than he has. We know that won’t happen. So I guess Jerry will have to figure out how to get anything out of this situation. I hope he does.
Ya know, now that you mention it, Jerry
could do something like what Coles did with the Jets. He wanted out and so they’re letting him go. I personally think he’s crazy cause he left 6 mil on the table but whatever.
i'm with you on that one
Coles is not crazy he made very bad business decision, he was thinking a) there is nobody to throw him the ball, b) I’ll make the same money somewhere else. Nevertheless, RW will never give JJ money back, never.
What about...
…moving Roy to OLB? He’s a good blitzer and can cover well enough for an LB. After all, Bill Parcels said he was one biscuit short of being an LB. That’s what I’d like to see, it’d give us some nice depth there.
OLB in 3-4 equals Ware. Powerful enough to stuff any TE or hold up any OT on a running play, fast enough to go around the arms of a 6’8" OT when rushing the passer, smart enough to smell out screens and draws early and with just enough coverage skills to pick up a RB for a couple seconds.
Thong may be better in coverage then Ellis, but he cannot play the possition.
Faster than a speeding bullet, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound...
for those of you not old enough to remember that’s how the old TV program started it’s description of Superman (showing my age a bit here). Something about Trey’s description of Ware made that come to mind… and it’s fitting. Ware is a Superman on the field.
Garrett needs to get a clue!
The position really does ask a lot from one athlete.
I overstated it a bit because I am frustrated with year three of "lets change our under performing Safety into a Linebacker."
C.C Brown and Buchanon
Remember, we can’t have steak on every plante. Get an above average cover safety in C.C. Brown and a speedy Buchanon to return punts and provide depth at CB behind Jenkins and Scandrick. I think it would make a world of difference. Brown is better at tackling and covering that Williams and Hamlin. Buchanon could provide a spark on special teams, and if he really wants to start, make him earn it, work hard, and try to beat out Jenkins or Scandrick.
Buchanon has talent
if I remember correctly Raiders drafted him in the first round. I know you can’t have first rounder for every position because of the cap, but Buchanon can come on the cheap
We almost drafted Buchanon over Roy Williams I believe (maybe i'm all wrong)...there was heated discussions which one should be drafted...
Either Roy Williams-SS, Buchanon-CB, or Quent Jammer-CB …I recall there was talks that Buchanon was gonna be the next Prime Time Sanders, Roy was a bone crushing animal, and Jammer was a physical CB we coveted…I forgot how it all worked though…SD took Jammer, then Jerry decided to move down for Roy…..and here we are 7 years later getting rid of the good for nothing bum……..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 3, 2009 10:38 PM CST up reply actions
I can't remember back that far....
Who drafted Roy ? Was it Campo or before him?
yeah...Campo's last year......
i forget how it all went down…….
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 3, 2009 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
That seems like an eternity doesn't it?
Did Woodson play one or two years with Roy
Yeah he did
I believe Woodson played FS when Roy first came here and many people think thats what made Roy so good. He didn’t have to cover that much because D Wood was back there and he became the hard hitting machine we came to know. Now he cant cover as normal and he cant even hit anymore
"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips
Yeah, it's really kinda sad ya know....
I don’t want to say anything cause I got in trouble earlier, but it’s sad that it didn’t work out. I know that he’s not worth it anymore, but I still hate it the way it’s going down.
It was Jammer
He went #5 to SD and then we traded back with KC and got RW1. I remember the scouts were talking about who we would take if Jammer and RW1 were both available at #6. They said that Jammer had the ability to turn into an All-Pro CB but that RW1 had the ability to be a Hall of Famer. Boy, those days were so long ago!!!
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
How many first rounders we have on the team?
correct me if I’m wrong:
on defense
DL: Spears / LB: Ware,Ellis, Spencer, Carpenter / DB: RW (assuming he’ll stay), Jenkins, Newman
on offense
OL: Adams, Davis, Colombo / WR: RWII / RB: F.Jones
Thats 13 starters already, I know that not every player drafted in the first has a successful career, but for some of them change of scenery might be good
I'm just wondering
what did we see in him to draft him? I didn’t watch him play in OU. I’m thinking we wanted to draft Jammer, who’s not a bad cover corner, but SD took him instead. His “tackling” consists of knocking people down with his shoulder pads or horse collaring. He can’t cover. I remember Shockey beating him for a touchdown when they were rookies. Where people hoping that he could be same play maker in the NFL that he was in college? This is the audacity of hope.
Go watch film of him at OU
and film of him in his first couple of years at Dallas.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
JJ traded down two spots from 6 to 8 and still got RW
maybe should of dropped down more, his contract would of been less expensive
SHAUN ROGERS
I would love to have Rogers, at the very least he could give more reps for rat at DE and RAt can go back to nt when Rogers needs a breather. He is a Texas boy, and I wonder what it would take to get him. I think if we could get Rogers, and Brace, or one of the other rookies to contribute this year, that would help alot of the other positions that we lack.
For S, put me down for J. Phillips, I have only seen him in a few games, but from what a remember, he was fast, and a hard hittin dude, not sure what his askng price is, but as the days go by it has to drop some.
Those two moves would allow us to draft an ILB, and focus on Oline depth, and I think they would be huge upgrades from last year.
Raf, I bet you are not too high on Rogers, but what do you think it would take to land him, since he is disgruntled in Cleveland, I am too lazy(Rogersesque), to look up what cleveland traded for him, but do you think, maybe Roy, Ellis and a 5th could get it done?
I do not know what the browns would want draft pick wise, but they would want a pick and the 9 mil he is going to hit them for when he is traded.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
I said a 5th plus Ellis and Roy
They Run a 3-4 as well, so ellis could be a stop gap player opp, mcginest, and roy might not like it but we are getting rid of him anyway.
As far as the 9 mil, I wouldnt doubt that Rogers would be willing to restructure so that a majority of the hit comes in the uncapped year, or at a better time for the cowboys to swallow it. My reasoning for Rogers willingness to restructure, is that he would be coming back home to texas, and he wants out of Cleveland.
Cant pass on the 9 Mil
That goes against Cleveland no matter what. They paid the signing bonus and if he’s no longer on the team then it all accelerates to their cap this year.
I realize that against the cap
However, I dont recall the Browns exactly struggling for cap space, so I dont think it will be a problem from that standpoint. Forgive my ignorance on this, but if its a matter of the team having to shell out money for a player who will not be there, then I understand the roadblock.
I'll take him...
that guy is a beast when he tries and all he wants is to be on a team that wins.
by nicholas.rodriguez on Mar 3, 2009 9:39 PM CST up reply actions
Vonnie Holliday
can he fit on our DL? I’m sure he wont be that expensive. And speaking of contracts can we sign Ware to his extension asap, so we know how much money we have to play with, if at all LOL
+1
We could get him and sign Ware..Holliday will fit in very nicely to our Dline
by nicholas.rodriguez on Mar 3, 2009 9:41 PM CST up reply actions
I'm glad Canty left...
I also wouldn’t mind seeing Roy Williams and Greg Ellis go. They are part of the problem. Like Canty they are underachievers, complain a whole lot, and blame others for their lousy play. Time to move on and get players that actually care, are accountable, and hungry to win as a team.
correct me If I'm wrong
but Canty was not a bad player, he did not have the flashy stats, but his job was to engage OL, so Ware can rush the passer, I had the feeling even last year that he’ll be gone. Every player that JJ wanted was resigned with a year left on original contract, but not Canty. Anyway there are always more things to it that we (general public) have no knowledge of. Good luck to him, he is smiling all the way to the bank. I just wish he would stay out of the division, like Glover few years ago.
Ellis should of been let go last year, tired of complaining plus one can make the argument that he is a progress stopper for Spencer or other 150 LB Parcells drafted every year.
speaking of Carpenter
he’s been on the team for 3 years, did not get a chance to start although being paid as a first rounder, team does not know if he is good to start either, for that reason his trade value is not known, something has to give at some point. looks like bad management on GM, HC, DC ever since we drafted him.

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