Cowboys mock draft picks at #51
by Dave Halprin on Mar 30, 2009 2:00 AM CDT
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PrintAnother look at mock drafts for the Dallas Cowboys at pick #51 in the second round.
| Mock Draft | Pick | Pos. | School |
| Pat Kirwan | Duke Robinson | OG | Oklahoma |
| Draft Zoo | William Moore | S | Missouri |
| Draft Bulletin | Juaquin Iglesias | WR | Oklahoma |
| DraftTek | Eric Wood | C | Louisville |
| The Football Expert | Patrick Chung | S | Oregon |
| FF Toolbox 1 | Darry Beckwith | LB | LSU |
| FF Toolbox 2 | Alphonso Smith | CB | Wake Forest |
| Consensus Draft | Rashad Johnson | S | Alabama |
| The Football Expert 2 | William Moore | S | Missouri |
| Sunday Kickoff | Patrick Chung | S | Oregon |
| Walter Football | Pat White | QB | West Virginia |
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He played guard...
In college.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
I guess everyone is asleep.
After doing more research there is no way Dallas even sniffs Robinson at 51, but I do think we should put effort into the O-line.
We probably won't get a chance at Robinson but
OG’s do always fall. If he starts falling to the middle of the 2nd I’d recommend moving up for him. That would be a coup getting the top OG in the draft in the 2nd round.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
You don't take guards that high, especially when there are two starters on the team right now...
Kirwin is way off the map……
You mean he's not one of the greatest linemen ever?
I won’t hold it against him.
I’d take Duke Robinson and be set at LG for the next 5-10 years.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Mar 30, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah...
No joke. Thats some pretty high standards.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
Yeah, Larry Allen wasn't Larry Allen when he got drafted either.
No one knows what they’ll be until they get a shot.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
sigh....
teams take guards in the second round all the time
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Mar 30, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Since 1989
A teams has picked a guard in the top 50 all but four times.
So around 80% of the time a guard gets picked in the top 50, so lets stop acting like it is such a stretch for someone to pick a guard in the second round.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Mar 30, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
I just don't see Dallas doing it
unless they identify a guard like Larry Allen who’s simply too good.
by AustonianAggie on Mar 30, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
With the FA signings Jerry has made thus far
I think he has put the team in a position to take the BPA. If Robinson is somehow there at 51 by all means take him.
Kosier going down last season showed what little depth there is on the O-line.
God forbid we have to endure another season with Procter playing for most of it, and I am still not sold on Holland.
Game Recognize Game
by pretty ricky on Mar 30, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't why you are not sold on Holland because he played awfully good for us.....
He can start on most teams
How can you judge how good he played?
He played for ONE full game against one of the worst defenses in the league.
Then he got hurt after one or two series against Pittsburg.
If he could start on most teams, then why did Denver trade him for 5th round pick?
I’m not even saying that you SHOULD draft a guard, but there is a stronger possibility of it happening than you make it out to be.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Mar 30, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Denver traded Holland because of his weight.
The offense that Shananay ran preferred more mobile guards.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 30, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I get that...
But if he was such a for sure fire starter, why couldn’t they get more then a fifth for him?
He played good for a VERY small stretch for Dallas.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Mar 30, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe they were thinking of cutting him anyways and Dallas had the best offer?
I think it’s a 2010 pick, to boot.
He did look good in that very small stretch, but were we just comparing him to Proctor? For a future 5th, I think it was a solid trade for a guy who still has potential to go with experience. And, he’s just a backup.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 30, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
he looked like an adequate back up
and our O was on top of its game when he played, but the fact that he couldn’t stay on the field was very mediocre
by AustonianAggie on Mar 30, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think anyone's disagreeing that he played well in his
10 minutes on the field last year. It’s that Holland is not so dang good that he’s going to keep Dallas from potentially drafting an OG just because we have him. I doubt Jerry and Stephen are thinking that they’re set there just because of Holland.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
He reminds me of Derek Kennard.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 30, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
This team has very little luck drafting lineman
You can find quality guards in the later rounds to develop. There is no need to take a 2nd round guard when there other positions more important to fill.
Very little luck lately.
Didn’t we draft Eric Williams, and Larry Allen?
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
How many lineman...
Have Dallas developed lately?
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Mar 30, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
It doesn't matter
We could have Two Eric Williams at tackle, two Larry Allens at guard and Mark Stepnoski at center and someone would want to draft another one.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
No no...
I’m not debating drafting or not drafting a lineman.
I’m responding to boyz that’s saying that you can draft a late lineman and develop him.
I mean Dallas had had successes and failures in drafting lineman. In EVERY round.
If the value is there, then take it.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Mar 30, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Whether we draft them to develop or spend a 2nd round pick they both need time
My point is, with this teams luck drafting a 2nd round guard is asking for it…..This team has better luck signing FA lineman than drafting them.
+1
James Martin (3rd in 07)
Jacob Rogers (2nd in 04)
Stephen Peterman (3rd in 04)
Al Johnson (2nd in 03)
Andre Gurode (2nd in 02)
1 out of 5 of these high picks is still on the team. Rogers and Martin are NFL goners, whereas we let other teams develop Peterman and Johnson.
We still have Free (4th in 07) and MCQ (7th in 06). If they want a developmental guy, they will take OL between the 4th and 7th rounds. If they are grooming a soon-to-be starter, then it will have to consume their 2nd and they have to hope for another Gurode, who imo isn’t that great.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 30, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
The Cowboys haven't done well picking safeties either
but I haven’t seen anyone suggest they not pick one at 51.
Game Recognize Game
by pretty ricky on Mar 30, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
They haven't tried.
Since Roy, all they’ve picked is Watkins. They’re way past due on addressing the position in these next 2 drafts.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 30, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Also I don't think anyone is arguing that they have to take an OL at 51
just saying if Robinson is there at 51 he is a great value at that spot.
Game Recognize Game
by pretty ricky on Mar 30, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Honestly, I'm not very familiar with him--just the stuff I read on this blog.
Because it’s their first pick, I would want someone who could contribute right away. Chances are, he’d be 3rd on the depth chart. If they had their eye on a DB that they want in the lower rounds, then I can see them splurgin on a Guard.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 30, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Gurode would probably make a better guard Big...
Maybe they consider the switch in a year or so if they can find a replacement. If it were me, move Gurode to LG when Kosier is up and acquire or draft a center next year.
I totally agree.
I remember wishing they would’ve have switched it up last year and tried Proctor at Center, but I guess they didn’t want to move too many pieces around midseason.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 30, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
i think parcells
moved Gurode to guard and then moved him back because he found gurode played like an idiot at guard. his concentration wasnt as good and he made tons of mistakes
Yeah, he wasn't a very good OG
Parcells felt like he made a mistake by trying him at OG and that his natural position was OC.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
I thought it was because he wasn't intense enough for the position.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 31, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know.
He made a lot of mental errors and gave up quite a few sacks.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
He makes mental errors playing center so he can't be any worse at Guard....
He is more experienced now so he might do better playing guard.
He also thinks Romo is 7'2
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 1, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions
L.A. went to Sonoma St. (huh?)
That was a huge gamble for a 2nd rounder back then.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 30, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
With the money thrown at the players
today, they are all big risks.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
Especially in the 2nd round.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 30, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe you don't
but the NFL Owners and GMs do, they even take highly rated OG prospects at the bottom of the first. Take a look at free agent money thrown to OGs. You want spend 50-60 million for a Hutch, Big, at this point just about any decent OG or draft a highly touted kid?
But with FA OL, you have plenty of game tape on how they handle the pro game.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 30, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
And they still might not work out.
For every Bigg Davis or Columbo there’s a Fabini, Young, or Rivera. It’s just as risky. It’s always better to do it through the draft if possible because of the money alone. We haven’t been great at picking O-linemen in any round but especially not the later rounds. That tells me that if we want to start developing our own then we need to take one of these higher ranked players. Just because Proctor got the 2nd round tender doesn’t mean he’s safe.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
Our later round guys (except EJ Whitney) have stuck around.
Free and McQ. Petiti was pretty good, too. It wouldn’t hurt for them to load up on 2-3 OL this year if they can’t rid themselves of 3-4 picks.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 30, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Petitti was pretty good too?
He was so good that after starting every game in 2005 (Jacob Rogers had surgery) the Cowboys cut him before the 2006 season. Not traded him, but cut him.
He played in 1 game for the Saints in 2006 and was cut.
Our later round guys have stuck around? How good do you think our later round guys are that they couldn’t replace Proctor starting at LG last year.
Petiti started all of 05 for us. That's pretty good for a 7th round tackle, don't you think?
Free and McQuistan are tackles, not guards. Remember that Proctor was the 3rd string option at Guard and 2nd string center. How easy it is to pick on the little guys, right? Funny thing is, is that Proctor started more games at LG for the Dallas Cowboys than anybody else last year.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 30, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions
that was the WORST offensive line performance
by any Cowboys team I’ve ever seen. Dallas could cover for 1 crappy tackle, but after Flo went down, we didn’t have a chance.
Jason Fabini was supposed to be the RT but it didn’t pan out
by AustonianAggie on Mar 31, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Sporting News has us taking WR Brandon Tate
Hey but once you get down to pick 51 its a complete crap shoot.
Even odds not one of the above is our pick.
"Where's Woody? - We need another Darren Woodson
And the best part
their NFL comparison: Terrell Owens, Cowboys
"Where's Woody? - We need another Darren Woodson
I thought Tate was like 5'8"
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 30, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Crap is the part that worries me.
But again, not everyone can be picked first. How much difference is there in the talent between pick 51 and pick 32? If you do your research right and actually look at what players bring as a total instead of just their “potential” you can find good players in every round. I think the Cowboys of late have been doing just that, especially after the last few drafts. I quite expect Jerry and company to find a good player that will have some impact if not this year then in the near future. Everyone they drafted last year in the first four rounds saw significant playing time. Some because of injury, some because of their bitchin talent. Point is, if Jerry will evaluate instead of fall for the “flash” he will find some good players. I think Jerry has been looking at the “smarts” lately and not the talent, which is one of the most important aspects we have been missing. We may not get the next Dawkins at safety, but we should get some good players.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
+1
Jerry & co. have been doing a better job recently at taking value guys that also fit their needs.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 30, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I like Brandon Tate's PR average
it’s astronomical and underlies that he may be fantastically gifted
by AustonianAggie on Mar 30, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
But again
how smart is he? Pac Man was phenomally gifted, but was a Pin Head. Vick is a phenomenal athelete, but a Pin Head. T.O. is a phenomenal athelete, but a me first, team whenever Pin Head. If they are only interested in furthering themselves at the expense of the team then leave them on the board. I would rather have a guy who ran a 4.45 who plays team ball over one that runs a 4.3 who only cares about what the team can do for him.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
What has Brandon Tate done to throw up red flags? I’ve not been following… but frankly a guy who runs a 4.3 is worth more TDs than a 4.45 for whatever good years you get out of them. But again, i’ve not seen anything saying Tate has issues
by AustonianAggie on Mar 30, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't totally disagree AA.
I am just tired of Jugheaded me first players coming in thinking they have it made.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
Marvin Harrison run a 4.3?
How about Reggie Wayne?
That would be a stupid pick at 51.
We should at least get somebody healthy.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 30, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
If we take a WR...
i would rather see us take Percy Harvin.
he has character issues and i understand he will slip out of the first round.
No more character issues.
The only news I want out of the locker room is that Tony is icing his arm after throwing for 300 yards, Barber, Choice, and Jones are the whirlpool resting after combining for 350 yards of rusing, with Jones taking a kick back for a TD. I want to hear that D. Ware is feeling great after only needing to be on the field for 3 series from the stopping power of the Defense. I want to hear about T New’s and Scandrick’s 3 int day. Other than that, I don’t want to hear a peep out of any “Character Flawed” individuals.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
what are his character issues?
I haven’t heard anything about that?
Aks 325424.
He said Harvin has character issues. I just replied “NO MORE CHARACTER ISSUES!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
I understood that......
I’m just wondering, what are his character issues? I’ve never heard anything about this?
i understand that he will
if I am wrong I will change my signature to whatever you want from the draft to camp.
if I am correct will you change yours to “I should have listened to 325424” for that period?
Now that's funny 325424....
What’s his supposed “character issues btw”?
I don't know what they are but this link says he has character issues and off the field problems listed in his negatives.
http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/wr/Percy-Harvin.php
Like I said though I don’t know what they were. I’d be more worried about his durability issues. ESPN Insider gave him a 5 rating (the higher the number the worse it is) for his durability. I’ve never seen a rating of 5 before. He’s missed games or been hampered for many games throughout his career because of high-ankle sprains, sinus infections and migraines, heel surgery, a hairline fracture in his right ankle, and missed practice time with a hip pointer, tendinitis in knee and tendinitis in Achilles tendon. This guy meets the definition of “walking wounded”. I’d be afraid his body would just give out.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=24688
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
I agree, but wasn't he amazing in the Florida-OU game?
If the guy could stay healthy and not have character issues, he’d be an awesome pick.
Could be but
the injury concerns aren’t made up. I don’t know what’s going on with him there.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
want make a wager?
let’s say the loser has to change their signature for a week?
Rather have S. Smith
But I’m okay with W. Moore.
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Mar 30, 2009 6:28 AM CDT reply actions
me2
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 30, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
If we could get A.Smith at 51 I would take him in a blink
Sporting News has him as their 15th rated player overall. But he could slip due to his size.
Size is over-rated, he makes plays
"Where's Woody? - We need another Darren Woodson
+1
Sign me up for that. The biggest need, but great value.
I gave up torture for Lent. Between now and Easter plagiarists will be humanely euthanized.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Mar 30, 2009 7:16 AM CDT up reply actions
ACC homer
haha just kidding
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
Either Smith CB would be a great way to start the draft.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 30, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think Smith will fall out of the 1st round
But if he does, he’ll get picked quickly in the 2nd.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Mar 30, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
They would have to trade up into the 20s to get S.Smith.
And probably into the 40s to get A.Smith.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 30, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Really?
I’ve seen S.Smith’s stock rising much more lately. Maybe bcuz of the FS possibilities?
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 30, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I seriously doubt S Smith
gets drafted in the first rd, but it’s possible, anything is in the draft..
S Smith’s problem is he’s a CB/S tweener which might cause to hesitate to pull the trigger on him.
Probably couldn’t go wrong with either guy.
In Romo we Trust
alphonso smith...
…no way he drops to 51. it would be great, no way. but if he does, he would be an absolute steal.
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
Smith is a first rd lock
absolutely no way he gets past the Cards or Steelers into the second rd
In Romo we Trust
yeah i agree
Although, hell nothing suprises me anymore.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Mar 30, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm surprised Patty White got that many votes...
I really like him and I have a hankerin’ he’ll be a solid pro, just not at 51…
by AikmanNailedMySis on Mar 30, 2009 10:30 AM CDT reply actions
Wishful Thinking
Which at this point is all we can do. No one knows what is going to happen on draft day till it happens. We will see what Jerry has up his sleeves then. Right now I’m sure there is a lot of Jockying to see who can tell the bigger fib as far as what they are going to do. Besides, right now is there any position of Dire need? We basically need rookies to come in and push the vets, we really don’t need one to come in and really start, do we?
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
White could get drafted that high
if he would be willing to play other positions, but if he’s telling teams he only wants to be a qb, no chance.
In Romo we Trust
Everything I've heard up to this point
Is that he’s DEAD SET on proving that he can be a QB at the pro level. He started at the Senior Bowl and seems to be using the criticism/doubt as motivation…Having said that, I highly doubt that when he’s drafted, he’s gonna tell his coach the same thing. Once he puts the ink on the contract, he better be ready to play guard if his coach tells him to haha
by AikmanNailedMySis on Mar 30, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't care for that line up
The lack of consensus on a safety makes me think Dallas won’t be looking for a safety there
by AustonianAggie on Mar 30, 2009 10:42 AM CDT reply actions
smokescreens?
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 30, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Chung 2nd in voting?
Why? I can’t take this out of my head:
Both Michael Hamlin of Clemson and Derek Pegues of Mississippi St. had relatively quiet weeks but Patrick Chung of Oregon and David Bruton of Notre Dame were really exposed in coverage situations and 1-on-1’s.
Scott Wright – DraftCountdown
Yes, he looked good in his Pro Day, but Pro Days are designed to put players in positions of comfort. I want the players looking good while uncomfortable. In this, I trust much more on how he looked in the Senior Bowl.
BTW, a 4.24 short shuttle and a 7.11 3-cone drill aren’t good times for a Safety.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
that was in practice
Chung actually played fairly well in coverage in the Senior Bowl. Maybe he’s a gamer.
In Romo we Trust
Chandus I used a couple of words from your article
Pat Chung
…a bit grabby while in coverage, leading to some holding calls.
… Attacks the line or underneath routes too quickly, leaving room for the deep ball behind him.
… At his best facing the quarterback and running downhill toward the ball.
The above comments are from NFL.com
…sometimes is a step slow helping out over the top
From NFLdraftscout.com
…really exposed
Scott Wright-Draftcountdown
really exposed sounds like a THONG
I really don't want Dallas drafting Chung at 51. Enough with the hard-hitting safeties who can't cover.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 30, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
You can make anyone sound bad by taking a few snippets from the negative column.
And we’re talking about pick #51 here, all players will have weaknesses or else they’d be gone by now.
Playing Strong Safety in the NFL is not just about defending the deep ball. That’s why teams Draft College Safety’s to play NFL Safety and not College CB’s. Most Strong Safety’s have around 100 tackles. They are almost never required to go one-on-one with the other teams top 2 WR’s. They play deep sometimes but they also play in the box too.
Roy Williams didn’t totally suck and get cut just because he couldn’t cover. He also got cut because he was dumb (out of position, late reactions, penalties), took bad angles and had poor tackling technique.
Patrick Chung would be a huge upgrade to Roy Williams in the box and in pass coverage. There’s no better Safety in the box this year than Chung. In pass coverage he’s not the best when compared with the one-on-one ability of some of the Free Safety types but he’s still good (and he’s much better than them in the box).
Here’s some comments about Chung in coverage;
"Reads the action quickly and is seemingly always around the ball
Good lateral quickness, acceleration and smooth change-of-direction agility while in zone coverage
Attacks underneath routes and rarely allows the receiver to cross with the ball unscathed
Closes quickly on the ballcarrier
Receivers are cognizant of him when going over the middle
Quick enough to hang with receivers for a few seconds in the deep half
Instinctive defender"
Doesn’t sound like Roy Williams to me at all.
Overall, run defense, pass defense, instincts, leadership, intelligence, durability and work ethic Patrick Chung is the best Safety in the Draft.
A Draft profile for you:
- Free Safety / Strong Safety Prospect.
- Top athlete with top instincts and a knack for the big play.
- Natural football player who has a sixth sense for the game and anticipation that can’t be taught.
- Big, physical safety who is a terrific run-support player and hitter.
- Can be very explosive.
- Has some cover skills and can break on the ball.
- Dominates the game when he lines up in the box.
- Excellent special-teams player.
- Flows to the ball easily and moves fluidly.
- Plays big in big games.
- Was a unanimous All-American and the Big 12 Defensive Player of the Year and won the Bronco Nagurski and Jim Thorpe awards as the top defensive player and defensive back in the country, respectively.
That’s Roy Williams scouting profile, the Thong that we just got rid of.
I don’t think that we need to see a rerun of the same episode…
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
Not appologizing for Roy but,
if he had at least kept some of that skill set intact he would still be here. The problem was, he stopped doing everything that made him feared. I could have let slide a big play per game if it meant two bone jarring hits. I could have put up with a bad angle or two if it meant separating the reciever from the ball on a consistent basis, or even a sack or two. It just seemed that Roy was consitently lost and could not excell in aspect of his game, that were former strengths.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
Yes, agreed
But, you have to take into account where the League is headed, by now most teams use 3 wide sets in a bunch of their snaps and safeties have to cover and have to do it well. And the League is still making things thougher for big hitters as now they can’t hit a receiver that isn’t ready to receive a hit….
The kind of safety prospect that Roy Williams was in College, a legit and top notch prospect, isn’t anymore the kind of prospect that will work in the present.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
Safety's have to be good tacklers.
Why didn’t Courtney Brown succeed at Safety? Or Pat Watkins? They’re both 4.3 guys. Courtney Brown was a CB so his coverage skills were great. Pat Watkins was a tall, speedy successful ballhawk. And yet they both suck. Because they cannot handle the physicality and tackling that is required at the Safety position in the NFL. Dallas choose to play an injured Keith Davis over either of those two guys at Strong Safety, even though Keith has proven to be horrible in coverage, because at least they know he can make a tackle.
Brown? Watkins?
Why were they picked so late in the Draft? Because they had serious flaws. Flaws that haven’t been corrected and in Watkins case there’s very little hope left.
I’m on Sherrod Martin’s camp, so you know my opinion about coverage safeties.
I’m opposed to Chung because I don’t want a limited safety in coverage and Chung is limited in coverage.
I want someone capable of covering the Cooley’s, Heap’s, Gates’ and Gonzalez’s of the League to play right next to Hamlin, who can have so-so success with them.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
Sherrod Martin: questionable instincts, inconsistent tackler, not a physical force.
I understand your desire for better coverage at Safety but I don’t feel drafting an inferior overall player over a superior one just because the inferior one is better in coverage is a sound proposition at Safety.
I look at it like this;
Would Sherrod Martin be a better Safety than Chung 30 yards down the field against TE’s like Cooley? Yes.
Is Martin a better Tackler than Chung, Not even close.
Is Martin as tough, strong and physical as Chung, Not even close.
Did Martin have as much success in College than Chung, No.
Does Martin have better instincts than Chung, No.
Would Martin be a better Safety than Chung in the box, No way.
Would Martin be a better Safety than Chung at the Goal Line, No way.
Does Martin have an injury prone history while Chung has a consistent injury free history, Yes.
That’s why I see Chung rated at #49 overall and Martin rated #71 overall.
I think Martin’s a solid prospect. But he looks like a CB/FS type to me. We have three good Corners and we have an expensive FS all under long contracts. What I don’t see is Strong Safety depth or any long term solution their on the roster. If the Cowboys are looking for a starting Safety next to our starting FS Hamlin I think they’ll be looking more at guys like Chung, Delmas and Moore rather than CB types like Sean Smith or Sherrod Martin.
I have a better point:
Would we see Ware in coverage with Sherrod Martin on the team? The most likely thing is that we won’t.
And you’re too high on Chung, Martin is rated as “low” because teams saw him as a bit of a project and CB/FS tweener, with his physical measurables he answered some of the questionsbecause he’s capable of playing CB and CBs go higher than expected.
You shouldn’t be surprized to see Martin get drafted much higher than expected.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
Look at it this way:
We have three good Corners and we have an expensive FS all under long contracts. What I don’t see is Strong Safety depth or any long term solution their on the roster. If the Cowboys are looking for a starting Safety next to our starting FS Hamlin I think they’ll be looking more at guys like Chung, Delmas and Moore rather than CB types like Sean Smith or Sherrod Martin.
The Nickel scheme last season consisted of this guys: Ware, Ratliff, Bowen, Ellis, Burnett, James, Henry, Newman, Jenkins, Scandrick and Hamlin.
Yes, 4 DLineman, 2 LBs, 1CB/LB, 3 CBs, and 1 Centerfield S. They want better coverage, you want more of the same. I don’t want to see a 2nd Round pick being pulled because he can’t play in coverage.
BTW, the Nickle scheme wasn’t used as often as it should because of injuries at CB and still ended up being used in a bunch of the total defensive snaps.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
Don't be silly Chandus, of course I want better coverage.
I just don’t believe we need to line up CB’s at Safety to achieve it. Patrick Chung is not a bad player in coverage and to compare him to the likes of horrible defensive players like Roy Williams and Kieth Davis (players who are so bad that they can’t find anyone to sign them as backups even this far into free agency) is ridiculous. I don’t see any reason why Chung can’t play in the Nickle.
And you don’t Draft a Strong Safety just on what he could bring to the Nickle Defense. He also have to play in the base 3-4, and in the box, he’ll also have to defend the running game, take on blockers, make important tackles (and lots of them as Safety’s are routinely their teams top 1 or 2 tackler). I don’t think a 24 year old CB/FS like Martin, whose already had surgery’s on both of his shoulders, is a good candidate for Strong Safety.
I see him listed as the 10th rated CB, you shouldn’t be surprised to see him on Day 2, and us passing him by with our 3rd rounder.
Have you seen that arrow pointing up?
That means that he’s a prospect that they want to rate higher than his current position, but they don’t know how much.
And every Draft source of information has him as a prospect that’s on the rise, that kind of consensus is rare and used in guys that had questions, answered those questions and will be drafted higher.
BTW, the Nickel is here to stay, several players did such a good job in that scheme that it would be silly to stop using it and Chung doesn’t fit the scheme.
We’ll just agree to disagree on this subject.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
Actually the arrow poitning up means he has already moved up
He was the 121st rated player and then made a big jump up to the 71st rated player.
I never said the Nickle was going away, I like their Nickle package too I just think there’s a place in their for Chung and so must many scouts that’s why he’s rated the 49th player overall coming out of college.
Deja vu; Hey Chandus, remember when we debated like this about Red Bryant in 2008. And you were sure he would go in the 2nd and I said, nope, he’ll still be there in the 4th. And you said there’s noway he’ll get out of the 3rd. And remember how he did actually go late forth? I remember :)
BTW
In that Draft I was also very high on Brandon Flowers, believed that he was going to be a 1st Rounder and would play like the best CB of the bunch.
I was right.
Hey, you can miss on some picks and go wrong in others, teams also miss and they have 10 times the information that I get.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
Haha...
I was actually thinking about that the other day.
Who was it that was SUPER low on Flowers?
I just remember they were being a mega jerk about him.
Although, I don’t know if it can be said that he played the best of the bunch.
A strong case could be made for McKlevin as well.
He had a good year at corner and was pretty good as a kick returner.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
That was Cash
You can make a better case for Flowers.
Look at the Chiefs pass rush. The Chiefs pass rush was traded to Minnesota before the season.
Look at the Chiefs DB corps.
You can make the case that Flowers was their best defensive performer… And he was a rookie…
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
Good call on Flowers.
You got me there because I wasn’t that keen on him either.
"Hey, you can miss on some picks and go wrong in others, teams also miss and they have 10 times the information that I get."
Too true.
Chandus,
What are you saying here? That we shouldn’t draft anyone with a good scouting report because Roy had a good one and now he sucks?
As Gunsup said, Roy simply stopped performing after a few very good years. He seemed to get overweight, slow and unmotivated. His mental approach to the game was also constantly criticized, even by the Official team website. For whatever reason he lost his desire but early on when he did have it he was a fine player.
Safety’s have to be able to hit. They can’t just be cover guys. Troy Polamalu would get eaten alive by most #1 and #2 WR’s in one-on-one man coverage but that doesn’t make him a bad Safety. He’s tough, a great tackler, smart, has great instincts, studies hard, has a high motor and is very competitive. That’s why he’s very good, not because he can line up and cover some WR one-on-one. Patrick Chung’s style is much more Troy Polamalu than present day Roy Williams.
Yep and sometimes...
You just miss.
Straight up.
There isn’t a team in the league, INCLUDING the Patriots, who havent’ missed on a prospect.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Mar 31, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions
sweet!
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 30, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I read he was scheduled to meet with Dallas
Vaughn previously told Scout.com that at the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis, the Dallas Cowboys, San Diego Chargers, Houston Texans, Cleveland Browns, New England Patriots and the San Francisco 49ers were just a few of the teams that requested a formal interview with him.
per Scout.com
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by APerfectStar on Mar 30, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Eric Wood is the best value.
As discussed in previous post the center position is very high value in this draft with Unger, Mack and Wood. Wood is the most likey to be available at 51. The investment in a big smart captain of the offensive line will have a big effect on the rest of the team because we can:
1.run the ball better
2.keep the defense off the field longer
3.protect Romo better
4.play action better
5.etc, etc, etc
Remember running out the clock against the Redskins in Washington?
How would you like to do that every week?
As hard as it is for me to say...
you are probably right.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 30, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Bigrigga buddy
You didn’t fall and hit your head did you? You agreed with the words value and O line in the same post? lol
No, I've remained upright all day.
I really think there is great value in drafting OL this year. It would be a boring pick to me at 51, and I think a waste because the guy may not see much playing time this year; but I’m all for value in a draft. That’s how we got 2 good RBs last year because that draft was heavy at that position.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 30, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he'll be gone too
But I’d agree, Wood is the best value.
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by APerfectStar on Mar 30, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I think there's a real good chance
He looks like an immediate starter at either OC/OG, IMO that probably puts him up into the 40-50 range.
Assuming Mack or Unger are taken between 30-40, he’s clearly the best remaining OC. Then there’s a drop to the next level.
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by APerfectStar on Mar 30, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
The Huddle report has
Max Unger and Eric Wood available at 51. The Steelers need a center so they would jump all over Wood at pick 64 in the 2nd round if he was still there and they didn’t already draft one in the 1st round. This is the kind of value pick the Patriots may take at 47 also. Check out this video for a University of Houston guy that should be available late in the draft and could be Flozell’s replacement.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2482651/sebastian_vollmer_ot_houston/
Great find.
We need a big guy with feet like that. Flo was getting killed by speed rushers last year. Also, by playing on Houston, he got alot of experience in pass protection.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 30, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
yep
Maybe the future will have less false starts.
Draft scout has Vollmer
as a 4th round projected pick and says Vollmer’s stock is rising.
Looks good.
Getting Levitre would be superb. I think he really fits our scheme.
Delmas > Chung.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 30, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Who would take Levitre OG with Sintim OLB still on the board?
Seems far fetched.
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by APerfectStar on Mar 30, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
A team who has already invested 3 1st rounders in OLBs that are still on the team.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 30, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Sintim won't be there anyway
But if he was, he’s the higher rated player at a position of need.
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by APerfectStar on Mar 30, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the Browns snag him right before us at 50, especially if they don't get a pass rusher in the first.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 30, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Preseason schedule just announced!
oakland
tenn
SF
Vikings
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niners and titans are home games
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 30, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Why the hate against Vince?
I mean all he did was put on probably one of the greatest national championship performances of all time.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
Not much of a pro
The shock of a first injury too much to come back from, or was it seeing a has-been manage the game and move the chains when Vince couldn’t
+1 Airforce.......
part of the problem that the Titans made with Vince, is they tried to force him into their type of system. He is not that type of player, nor will he ever be. When you draft QB’s you have to draft for their type of strengths, weaknesses. When VY first came to UT, they tried to fit him into a certain type system and it didn’t work. When they threw out that out the window and worked around VY’s strengths, he was phenominal. Too many teams do what the Titans did and try to force-feed QB’s into a certain system.
I really don't know what you mean by system
A NFL qb has to be able to throw from the pocket which Young can’t do, he simply isn’t a pocket passer. Great college player, but he’s shown no ability whatsoever to transition to the pro game.
In Romo we Trust
thats college
as a pro qb he totally sucks, just a bigger less talented version of Vick.
In Romo we Trust
Yeah...
I did think that he got a bad break by being with some of the less talented offenses in the NFL.
He didn’t really get to play that much with Chris Johnson.
And Kerry Collins, while holding the ship steady, he wasn’t why that offense was effective.
Chris Johnson changed that offense so dramatically. In all honesty that is the only reason why Tennessee wasn’t in the AFC Championship.
I just didn’t get the Vince hate, its like you were a bitter OU or USC fan or something.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
I just think that it's a little harsh to say he "totally sucks".
Truth be told it was supposed to be that he would be mentored by Steve McNair (who he already had a relationship with.) He was basically thrown to the wolves before he was allowed to develop. What I mean by system, is the Titans “apparently” want just a game manager. VY is at his best whenever he is able to improvise and move around in the pocket and not just be a drop-back passer. If you remember, he was Rookie of the Year. What I’m trying to defend about the guy, is he will never be a pure drop back passer and game manager. He wasn’t that in college. He is most dangerous when he is on the move. I’m not saying that he will ever become a great QB but the Titans should have known that he wouldn’t fit their style of play-game management.
I don't hate Young
it’s just that running, athletic qbs who have very weak passing skills like Young and Vick, will never succeed in the NFL because they are too easy to defend by NFL defenses.
Bottom line is you have to be able to throw effectively from the pocket in this league, you’re not going to help your team win with only your legs like they did in college.
In Romo we Trust
well, I wouldn't exactly call VY's passing skills.....
weak. He did throw for over 3000 yds. his Senior Season.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=135107
I’m not saying that he has done great in the NFL, but he had some pretty impressive statistics coming out of UT. VY and Vick are two very different QB’s and you can’t put them in the same mold-very unfair. VY’s skills are more in the same category as Randall Cunningham. The problem as I stated earlier, is the Titans have not worked with VY’s strengths (which he does have btw.) He threw 26 tds. with only 10 interceptions.
no, Young's passing skills are extremely weak
and he has been exposed by NFL defenses. You can’t compare him to Cunningham because Randell could pass effectively from the pocket, Young has proven he can’t.
Until he really develops this skill, he’ll suck as a NFL qb.
In Romo we Trust
check this video out then.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk7EDQ_UBjw&feature=related
He does not have a weak arm like you are suggesting. In his last year at UT he was rated as the 3rd best passer in the Country. If you don’t believe me, check out Wikepedia.
I'm not suggesting he has a weak arm
I’m saying he’s a horrible passer, I don’t care what he did at Texas. The Big 12 isn’t the NFL, his horrible passing skills won’t make it at this level.
In Romo we Trust
Well.....I disagree.....
and I’ve met the guy. Couldn’t ask for a nicer guy. He doesn’t have horrible passing skills. Does he need lots of work? Yes. He needs to be developed and you know very well that your beloved Tony didn’t get thrown to the wolves his rookie year. He probably wouldn’t have made it either. VY was thrown in too early and it has definitely hurt him.
He was drafted Number 3 overall. When you invest that much in a guy, most likely, he's gonna play sooner rather than later.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 30, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions
If you are
smart you check his stats against your expectations, and start him when he is ready. As talented as VY is he just doesn’t perform like an NFL qb should. Did Fisher put him in too early? Perhaps, but he responded like a scared child than a poised UT qb.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
Young has proven he has horrible passing skills
His biggest problem aside from not being very accurate is that he can’t process the game fast enough, which is another reason he’s not a good pocket passer. Romo has the ability to process the game from the pocket which is why he is one of the best qbs in the game.
The fact that he’s a nice guy is absolutely irrelevant as it’s my understanding that Drew Henson is a nice guy too.
In Romo we Trust
Why does this always go 180 degrees.....
back to Romo? Pleeezzzze…..LOL….This is funny but borderline sick.
uh..because you brought him up first
I believe your phrase was “your beloved Tony”
I’m beginning to think youre the one that has the crush on him, lol
In Romo we Trust
lol
Watch us put Carp on him as a spy.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 30, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Just a thought...
But I hate the philosopy that if for some reason you haven’t had success with drafting certain positions at different times you just give up.
If a team ever lets its past dictate what it does because there have been offensive lineman that haven’t live up to their potential, than you get better at scouting or you get different scouts.
I also find it hard to compare different eras of drafting players because while Jerry is still the man on top, there have been changes made in scouting.
You get better at what you do, you don’t quit.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
+1
Well said. We must persevere!
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 30, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Big
Why did you change your avatar dude?
I loved the fro!
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
Because I got a hair cut for the spring. lol. jk
Actually, I wanted to be one of the first with Snake Eyes, especially before the movie comes out.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 30, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice nice....
Although the Joes might have had the worst accuracy ever.
Notice how in the cartoon, you had firefights with sixty people and not ONE got killed?
Sure stuff blew up but no one ever died.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
Well, Duke almost died from Serpentor's snake spear.
Man, that was upsetting. Stupid Lt. Falcon.
Hopefully, in the movie they will still have blue and red lazer tracers so we know who’s firing upon whom.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 30, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah...
One person almost dying in massive firefights.
At the end of Rambo more people died in fifteen minutes then the entire run of G.I. Joe. Haha.
But I still love it, I had a crap load of them too.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
Scarlett or Lady J?
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 30, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Me2!
High5!
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 31, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Am I the only one
Who wouldn’t touch Delmas in the first 2 rounds? He’s clearly got athletic ability. He actually reminds me of a larger PacMan the way he plays, but the kid has half a brain.
I guess I’m just sick of seeing a defense that looks clueless at times and can’t see how adding a guy with a 12 point Wonderlic score is going to help us in that regard.
actually Delmas has great football intelligence and instincts.
don’t forget the wonderlic is an IQ test, nothing more, nothing less.
In Romo we Trust
and I can think of many good pro players
who sound like morons in interviews as well.
In Romo we Trust
Does anyone know
how our coaches did on the Wonderlic? Point is, for me anyway, if you can’t perform well on an iq test how is he going to figure out what is happening on the field. I don’t care if he doesn’t take tests very well. Every play in the NFL is an intelligence test to see how well you studied your opponent. From what I saw last season almost every team knew what we were doing before we did it. I watched the replay of the Washington game and our defense looked pathetic. Washington looked like they knew where our players were going to be and how they were going to react. They were just one of a multitude of teams that beat us on “Smart” and not talent. I’m sick of watching dumb players make the same mistake over and over. How many times did Tony get hit in the Ravens game before someone blocked Ray Lewis. Oh, yeah they never freaking did. Complain all you want about the Wonderlic, but I for one would like to see the Cowboys adopt a minimum score for draft eligibility.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
GunsUp.....
there’s only one problem with your logic. Some of the dumbest people that I have ever met in business have some incredible scores on tests etc. Have you ever noticed that?
I understant star, but
usually common sense shows up in other testing. There are all sorts of ways to quanitfy how smart they are. I’m just sick of players here relying solely on their talent to get by without having to use their brains. I am sick of getting beat by subpar talent, because they study us and know our tendencies. The rookie safety from the Redskins was talking about a pass that he intercepted because he recognized the formation, knew we would throw it to Austin and snuck underneath and intercepted the ball. He studied us and knew what we did and when we did it. Witten had been schooling him all day long yet when the chips were down he beat us because he studied us.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
texstar is correct
IQ tests have nothing to do with football intelligence or instincts as some of the best players have had low wonderlic scores.
Scoring well on those tests doesn’t mean you’re going to be a smart football player.
In Romo we Trust
I understand GunsUp......
I was half-teasing with you about the common sense vs book sense thing. What you hit on is absolutely correct. We all bought into the “talent” thing last year. What people tend to forget is at this level everybody is talented to a certain degree. Too many of our guys think that they can get by on their talent alone and not have to work hard whether it is studying tape or noticing other things about their defendents.
Yeah...
I hear you. I don’t really equate the wonderlic to it or any type of IQ test.
I think that has more to do with someone studying game film and putting forth effort more than brains.
That play against Washington was a terrific read by a rookie and shows that the dude has drive as much as he does brains.
You’re not wrong, but instead of “smarter” players.. I want to keep the talent but have more desire.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
That works for me.
I just think that sometimes we need to look a little harder at drive. All of these players must have some talent or they wouldn’t even be in the league.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
I'll take it a step further......
A lot of these athletes can get away on talent alone in college because they are superior to the talent they face. However, when they get to the NFL, they are facing the best of the best. Some of them are not used to having to face guys with equal or better talent. They are used to getting by on just their talent. The good ones find out that they have to do more than just show up with their so called “talent”. They have to study film and put forth 100% effort on every play.
Exactly
I want the guys who will put in the time and effort. There are very few out there who can get by on talent alone. I can only name R Moss and maybe Plexiglass as examples of players talented enough to not put in 100% effort and get away with it. That is until Plexiglass shot himself. Maybe Deion Sanders when he was playing. Buth those players are very few and far between.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
Even
Plaxico doesn’t really get away with it.
He is one of the streakiest players I’ve ever seen.
Moss however…well IMO he’s the most talented wide receiver since I began watching at least.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Mar 31, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Still the point is
every rookie that comes into the league expecting to get by on talent alone is in for a shock. That is why there should be a rookie max. Let them play for 2 years at 3mil per year then decide if they are worth paying. Kind of like a no harm no foul type deal.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
Right on...
The NBA has it right as far as rookie contracts go.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
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