Orlando Scandrick at free safety for the Cowboys
by Dave Halprin on Mar 5, 2009 2:23 PM CST
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OK, it's true. The Dallas Cowboys have definitively talked to Orlando Scandrick about playing some free safety this season. The word is that in certain packages Scandrick will play free safety and that Ken Hamlin will be moving over to the strong safety position.
I have this information from a source that is close to the Cowboys and I believe that it is absolutely accurate. It's not sure yet whether it will be a full-time move or only in some of the new packages on defense the Cowboys are installing. But believe it, they have already discussed this with Scandrick and they are planning to do it.
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Hmmm
That’s interesting. This is the first I’ve heard of it, but he definitly has the coverage and tackling ability.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Mar 5, 2009 2:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
AFB, not only that...
But he’s used to playing inside because of his position as the slot corner on the Nickel. I could really see this type of allignment if we plan to play man defense with only one “true” safety on the field. We can call the set whatever you want, but if we have 3 DL, 4 LB, 3 CB, and 1 S, that is not a “base” nor is it a Nickel, but it does get our best players on the field at the same time.
by desus32 on Mar 5, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Would this be packages with less corners
I mean not a nickel or dime but a like a beefed up 5-2? make sense?
Because if scandrick was moved to FS who would be 3rd corner noone dependable?
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by thebigham on Mar 5, 2009 2:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I like the move
but now we lack corner depth.
"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips
by MrMinority on Mar 5, 2009 2:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think what might be going on...
Is he would play safety on the first two down, and move back to corner in nickel and dime packages.
Still you need to get a guy to groom for corner or safety then.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Mar 5, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
to be perfectly honest I liked what I saw from Alan Ball last year
by quincyyyyy on Mar 5, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That might be where ball comes in, when scandrick is at FS then if they roll 3-wide on a
1st or 2nd down play it will lead to ball seeing some time out there. This is going to be one of the most interesting TC in years, on both sides of the ball.
http://www.dallascowboys.com/multimedia/multimedia_center.cfm?id=D76DF01A-9069-3BDE-7FE55F7F563C2E31
They cover it in today’s lunch break towards the end of the show, they talk about ball and scandrick.
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by cowboy78 on Mar 5, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks
Woody says the staff is high on Ball
by quincyyyyy on Mar 5, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think what might be going on...
Is he would play safety on the first two down, and move back to corner in nickel and dime packages.
Still you need to get a guy to groom for corner or safety then.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Mar 5, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He is still a corner......
Much like Henry was last year. They just have a few packages that he will slide to safety.
My biggest question is who is going to play the slot? I guess T.New will move back inside on obvious passing downs but then who takes the outside with Jenkins? I suppose this means there not done in free agency. Sure would have liked to seen Shawn Springs.
by TARHEEL PAUL on Mar 5, 2009 5:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thats awesome(sarcasm) who plays the slot? Newman then who plays on the edge Ball? WtF is going on over there?
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by stoproyce on Mar 5, 2009 2:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Exactly what I was thinking
Scandrick was already looked at as a bit under sized at corner, and now they’re moving him to safety. Scandrick does play much bigger then his size but, we really need him for depth at corner. I was hoping him and Jenkins would push each other for the number 2 corner on the team.
by NDCowboy8 on Mar 5, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow royce...
You’ve been unusually cranky today.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Mar 5, 2009 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i know man i am sorry i am a feaking grump since i heard the news. I will get over it some time soon its just
some of the justifications for these actions are bordering on the bizarre. I know we have a talented team this is just a jagged pill to swallow. Ha looks like TO may not have many suitors left. Although there is apoll on the Eagles sight asking whether they should bring him back,lol.
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by stoproyce on Mar 5, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya.
I’m split down the middle with this whole thing.
It’s like some people have acted like TO being gone will just destroy all offense.
And it COULD, but if thats the case then Dallas was never that close to winning a superbowl anyways.
There isn’t anyone in the league that could convince me that Dallas still doesn’t have a very talented team.
There are still a ton of weapons, and my HOPE is that the production is spread out more.
Possibly a wideout is drafted, who knows?
I mean Dallas has a better team then when they went 9-7 and missed the playoffs with Drew Bledsoe.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Mar 5, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya.
I’m split down the middle with this whole thing.
It’s like some people have acted like TO being gone will just destroy all offense.
And it COULD, but if thats the case then Dallas was never that close to winning a superbowl anyways.
There isn’t anyone in the league that could convince me that Dallas still doesn’t have a very talented team.
There are still a ton of weapons, and my HOPE is that the production is spread out more.
Possibly a wideout is drafted, who knows?
I mean Dallas has a better team then when they went 9-7 and missed the playoffs with Drew Bledsoe.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Mar 5, 2009 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My bad...
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Mar 5, 2009 3:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess we need a corner even more than we did 5 minutes ago? jeesh
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by stoproyce on Mar 5, 2009 2:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Grizz do you think Scandrick would be a good FS?
by quincyyyyy on Mar 5, 2009 2:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I actually do
He is incredibly fast so he could cover a lot of ground in center field. He also played the slot and was able to deal with WR’s over the middle and actually did a decent job when asked to blitz (although it was infrequent) and was a decent tackler. What I’m worried about, like everybody, is how thin we are going to be at corner. That has to be rectified for this to work.
by Dave Halprin on Mar 5, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well the way I see it if something does happen to Jenkins or Newman then
Scandrick would be the third corner, so while he is technically not the third corner anymore he is. At least that is what I think would be the best course of action in such a situation. Moreover, when Ball was in the game I thought he did rather well. So while I do think we need another corner, I’m not overly concerned. At least that is my humble opinion.
by quincyyyyy on Mar 5, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Against Pittsburgh
Scandrick took down Heath Miller, which enabled Bradie to pop the ball loose.
Orlando will get his nose into any ball-handler, regardless of position.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 5, 2009 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he also shut down hines ward
and i think he got a sack as well
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by MrMinority on Mar 5, 2009 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Scandrick would make a good FS....I'm liking this more and more
and move Hamlin back where he belongs at SS…me loving this idea…
by Boyzfan94 on Mar 6, 2009 1:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Has springs signed with anyone yet?
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by stoproyce on Mar 5, 2009 2:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wikipedia says he signed wi th the Pats today.
Albeit, with no source.
by falconPUNCH on Mar 5, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rotoworld also confirms Springs is back at Patriots camp....
You don’t go back for a second visit, if your not going to sign a contract…He’ll be starting for them next season at CB or FS…Word has it the contract will be fairly cheap too…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 5, 2009 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who's your source!!! *false indignation*
Just kiddin’, Grizz. I trust you. =)
by Johnny Cage on Mar 5, 2009 2:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ha
This is exactly the reason I never bust on journalists for using anonymous sources. This is solid info, I even had to wait on posting it until I got the go ahead. But I would never burn my source.
by Dave Halprin on Mar 5, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Grizz, be sure to tell him I'm sorry for dogging on him later last season
when he got into a tiff with T.O.
by quincyyyyy on Mar 5, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not Witten ;-)
Ask Raf though, I called him late last night and told him about the move but told him we couldn’t post it. It was driving us nuts.
by Dave Halprin on Mar 5, 2009 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Funny enough
Ben and Skin actually brought up this very point two days ago with Cowlishaw.
I didn’t take it all that seriously, but if It’s popped up in multiple places I gotta lend some credibility to it.
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by Conjunction on Mar 5, 2009 9:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol...Now Grizz has the proverbial "source" ....go figure..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 5, 2009 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And I have more faith in Grizz's source than Dead Terder's.
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by silverblue5 on Mar 5, 2009 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There is a fanpost on this and it has a link that shows Mac Engel talking about it.
http://startelegramsports.typepad.com/cowboys/2009/03/secondary-reshuffling.html
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by cowboy78 on Mar 5, 2009 2:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Mix and match
Scandrick has shown some promise, and seems like a smart, confident player. If coach says he can play some free safety, who can argue?
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Mar 5, 2009 2:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Well let's not forget we still have an unproven guy in Michael Hawkins
The coaches must like what they’ve seen from him and Ball to consider this move. Not to mention we still have a potential prospect from Irvin’s show (lol) and whomever we draft. So we actually do have some depth there. Could prove to be a good hybrid move imo.
http://www.dallascowboys.com/team/team_biosPlayers.cfm?playerID=C5A6CB30-0463-3E8A-7B902EF0C35BF9B4
by sublimezg on Mar 5, 2009 2:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Isnt that the guy that jumped over the car?
by Impatient on Mar 5, 2009 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No that was Darren Stone.
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by houseofprime on Mar 6, 2009 3:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So much news in such a short time.
I like it, but I can barely keep up!
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 5, 2009 2:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah this is very busy especially in this part of the offseason.
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by cowboy78 on Mar 5, 2009 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe Brown becomes a hybrid DB
as a consequence, playing either CB/FS depending on the set, and competing with ball for the third corner spot
by Goyogringo on Mar 5, 2009 2:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I really really hope Courtney Brown comes to play this year, either nickle CB or FS, at least more special teams....I had very high hopes for that dude...
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 5, 2009 3:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it'd be nice to have brown on the field as a corner occassionaly
i love having so much speed in the secondary…
if only he were any good at safety… how freakin fast would newman, jenkins, scandrick, ball and brown be out there together… what a dream… oh well, we’re still rather fast minus hamlin
by CowboysFan4Life on Mar 5, 2009 3:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Me too.
With the release of Roy, there will be some crazy competition at the safety spots.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 5, 2009 6:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
its about time. ive been using scandrick as my free safety in madden for months.
by DavidLaFleur on Mar 5, 2009 2:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i usually just used henry at FS
but now that he’s gone i might throw scandrick back there. I’m interested in seeing how the depth charts end up next season.
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by MrMinority on Mar 5, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
This is all because you switched screennames man. Must be intuitive.
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by APerfectStar on Mar 5, 2009 5:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Screennames.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 5, 2009 6:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps the 46 will become the base package.
This way, Hamlin moves up to the “box” as SS, and then Scandrick plays centerfield.
by falconPUNCH on Mar 5, 2009 2:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'd be all about that
dude this defense could be scary… there are a lot of big bodies and players with elite speed on this D
by AustonianAggie on Mar 5, 2009 3:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Resigning Keith Davis
would seem to make even more sense now as someone who might be able to play more on running downs; not sold on hamlin in that role
by Goyogringo on Mar 5, 2009 2:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Isn't this exactly what they did with Henry last year?
I don’t see why all the fuss.
by Johnny Cage on Mar 5, 2009 3:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think the fuss may be ...
we’ve already lost 2 CBs (A Jones and A Henry) and now another is ‘loss’ is thinning the mix.
by GalTex on Mar 5, 2009 3:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No they moved Henry
to a LB position last year in the dime, the same thing they did with Roy until he broke his arm. They brought in Pat Watkins in those situations to play safety.
by Dave Halprin on Mar 5, 2009 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hamlin at Strong Safety?
After what I saw of Hamlin’s tackling ability at the end of the Raven’s game, I’m not all that thrilled to see him tackling running backs on a consistent basis.
by JoeWho on Mar 5, 2009 3:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He missed two tackles
he had a bad game throughout. Everyone else missed their assignment on those 2 plays as well. Hamlin was known as a big hitting safety. I mean they called him “The Hammer”
"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips
by MrMinority on Mar 5, 2009 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And he would be in a different spot on the field if he were at SS focusing on the run and/or TE.
Hamlin can hit and tackle—he did save a couple of TDs all by his lonesome last year. I know one was against Pitt.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 5, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He was weak tackling all season...not just those two plays..
He didn’t want to get his newly inflated wallet dirty..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 5, 2009 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
The Hammer became The Dollar.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 5, 2009 6:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Alright - smoke settling - Dallas has 11 picks in the draft, and not a 1st rounder
of those 11, I see a focus on meat and special teams. NT, DEs, OL we’ll take if Dallas has a well rated player falling in to their laps. I expect at least 1 TE to battle Rodney Hannah. 1 FB to battle Anderson.
After that, speedy positions will be a constant priority-
3 CBs, 2 Safeties, 1 or 2 WRs
by AustonianAggie on Mar 5, 2009 3:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Any word on resigning Keith Davis
he’s just one of those guys over the years, who seems to stick with the Cowboys whether we want it or not, ultimately helping
by AustonianAggie on Mar 5, 2009 3:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He's going to meet with KC this week
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by APerfectStar on Mar 5, 2009 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Technically speaking...
We are down 3 members of the defensive backfield – Pac, A. Henry, Thong. Admittedly, if you added them all up, factoring in suspensions and injuries, it may be more like 1.25 members.
I like Hamlin his first year, he seemed like a hitter and a leader, last year? Not so much.
Scandrick is a guided muscle. I saw that kid lay some wood on guys last year that rang his own bell as well as theirs, but they knew who he was. I like him a lot.
I think we are starting to see more and more of Wade’s defensive creativity coming through. The draft will be key. This is going to be interesting to watch.
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by Jim Vance on Mar 5, 2009 3:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Cowboys Lunchbreak
Darren Woodson was on the Lunchbreak today and he mentioned Scandrick would play in FS w/ Alan Ball being on the corner. He said the Cowboys believe that Ball has skills and they want him on the field.
by VA Dallas Fan on Mar 5, 2009 3:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Get on the Ball
He looked like he had improved when he was on the field last season.
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by APerfectStar on Mar 5, 2009 5:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Woody thinks its ok lets roll
Woody brought a lot to the position. Sure he was an LB, but I trust his assessment of how viable Scandrick will be.
In any case I like the shakeups that going on throughout the team….
Reminds me a little of how the Eagles would shake up their D, and get stronger by doing so
by oldtimer on Mar 5, 2009 6:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's because
Woody was smart and studied the game and opponents. If Scandrick does the same instead of relying on his speed, he will be remembered just like Woody. If he gets Thongitis and decides he’s made it then well, we’ll see.
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by GunsUp on Mar 6, 2009 7:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I second AirforceBat
Very interesting. We’ll see how it goes.
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by Nelson... on Mar 5, 2009 3:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
now that you say that..
I think that Wade is the one doing the decisions right now, and he’s getting rid of what he thinks cant help his scheme’s (Henry, Roy, not resigning Thomas and Canty). Do you think that might be possible??
by rfelixtj on Mar 5, 2009 3:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I hate to say this but we could be a perenial 5-11 team agin real soon
by Becho on Mar 5, 2009 3:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
we could also be on a rocket to the moon
seriously i’m building it in my backyard
by AustonianAggie on Mar 5, 2009 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you can just use a bunch of helium balloons
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 5, 2009 6:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
?
What?? Why do you think this? Is there any reasoning?
Look at all those 5-11 seasons. The biggest common theme I see on the field: lack of a cornerstone QB.
For as long as Romo is around and healthy, we won’t be going 5-11 three years in a row again. I’m not saying the guy’s proven he is a one-man ticket to the Super Bowl, but a franchise QB keeps you from being consistently mediocre.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Mar 5, 2009 3:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I don’t know too many positions that they aren’t better at then when they had those losing seasons.
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by AirforceBat on Mar 5, 2009 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
IDk i'm not doing cartwheels over this o line.
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by stoproyce on Mar 5, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They aren't worse...
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Mar 5, 2009 5:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the team has a ton of holes and no depth
We need a LT, LG of the future. We have nothing proven at FS and one ILB spot. We have 3 CBs we know can play and are betting Ball and rookies can fill the rest of the spots. If Ware goes down, where will the pass rush come from. We have no true NT. We need DE depth, TE depth, C depth, and more i care not to think about. In short there are lots of needs to adress.
I am not saying that we are a sure fire looser but there are alot of ways this team can stink it up. Scandrick, Ball, and Jenkis may not be the DBs we think they are. This draft could stink. Ware could get hurt. Tony may not improve and may never find a champions mentality. Flozell could keeps having bad years like he did last year, and the OL could keep playing terribly like it did this year.
And you can not say because we have Tony we are immune. Carson Palmer is one of the best in the leauge and the Bengals stink.
I hate to be a doubter and a hater but the possibility is there. We just have to hit on a few rookies, and we are fine, but mainly what i am trying to get across is that this draft and free agency period are very important. If we get nothing but stinkers this offseason we are a very thin team.
by Becho on Mar 5, 2009 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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by APerfectStar on Mar 5, 2009 5:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Geez guy..
I’m not even sure if the cups 1/2 empty with you. Sounds something like 9/10 empty if you ask me.
by sublimezg on Mar 5, 2009 5:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Im torn between excitement and fear.
If you have a guy who really excells at something why do you want to immediately find him a new position. Scandrick was a beast in the slot.
Well Im going to try and break this down logically and see if it can make semse to me. I imagine this package will be on 3rd and long to begin with and see if it will help and then expand from their. In this package I guess Newman goes back to the slot ,Jenkins on 1 side and Ball on the other side. Hamlin at strong I feel has more to do with his ability to cover the TE than his run stuffing skills. Throw in the 46 or one of Wades fancy blitzes and maybe we have something.
This wont work if Hamlin cant man up with the TE or Newman doesnt have the quickness for the slot or Ball cant cover. If Ball can cover short to medium routes with Scandrick over the top for deep help. Whew! I think it can be done and the potential is there but damm its sure has my sphincter tightening.
by squidlo97 on Mar 5, 2009 3:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
beast in slot... remember thats what D Woodson would do
cover the slot reciever on passing downs
by AustonianAggie on Mar 5, 2009 3:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1,000,000
on your first sentence squidlo. Scandrick played really, really well in the slot last year, thought he was making tremendous strides as a DB at the NFL level.
Now we’re moving him??? I gotta say, I just don’t like it—mainly because it means we’re now relying on Jenkins, and he just doesn’t have the desire for the game.
If you can’t show the desire as a rookie, you just don’t have it. Just imagine what he’ll be like when he’s handed a starting gig…
by Starred4Life on Mar 6, 2009 7:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
On Scandrick at FS...
Wade’s proven he knows what he’s doing on defense, so I trust he has a plan here.
But I’ve got two concerns:
1) Scandrick has proven he has the ability to be a top level slot CB. Those are very difficult to find, and I’m reluctant to use him elsewhere if we don’t have a stud replacement for him in the wings. And CB depth is a bit of a concern now, as others have mentioned.
2) Scandrick is 5’10", 190 pounds. That’s small for a safety. Hamlin is 6’1" and 209. Ed Reed is 5’11", 200 pounds. Now, I know Scandrick’s not playing SS, so he’s not going to be a run-game enforcer in the same way that Pat Watkins and RW1 were when they frequently injured themselves last year, but safeties are in the middle of the field, and they take more of a pounding than CBs do on the edge. Can Scandrick hold up as a FS? The answer may be yes, but I’m just a little worried since he’s proven himself to be such a valuable piece of our secondary.
These are great questions to be asking about a second year 5th round pick, by the way— “can he help us more as a very good CB or as an emerging talented FS?” But we want to be using this great resource we’ve uncovered in the correct way.
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by Tim Wilson on Mar 5, 2009 3:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I look at it more like
“Can Scandrick hold up as a FS in limited situations, depending on down and distance, for a limited amount of times throughout a game”. I just don’t think he’ll be doing it all game. Just certain packages. If that’s the case then I’m on board with it.
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by kameleon_o on Mar 6, 2009 6:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is NOT a new formation
Over the last several years, when teams have gone 3-wide in 1st and 2nd downs, Dallas has often left their front-7 on the field, but taken the SS off the field and replaced him with a 3rd CB.
I think Parcells did it first with Newman, Henry, and Aaron Glenn. We did it some last year as well. It basically allows us to match up CBs to WRs and still keep the front 7 in place for run defense.
I would be surprised if we DIDNT use this d-backfield combo at times, knowing how we’ve deployed over the last several years.
Now if this is a full time move, including when teams line up with only 2WRs, THEN we’ll have something to talk about.
by Ridgelake on Mar 5, 2009 3:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
…that’s my question Ridge. If it’s mainly a specialty package, then that’s not a huge deal for me, but I’m most curious right now about who our base package starting safeties are. If Scandrick is playing in that role, then that’s a big change.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Mar 5, 2009 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Iggles trade WR Greg Lewis to Pats for 5th round pick
Here the link… http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/03/05/trade.ap/index.html
Maybe they’re clearing a spot to bring back T.O. ;)
by Boundforbeach on Mar 5, 2009 4:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't know but the Eagles just stole a 5th rounder
by cow_fanatic on Mar 5, 2009 4:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, he's not very productive
NE’s been trading for established skill players for a few years though
by AustonianAggie on Mar 5, 2009 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
...and I'm sure they'll
turn him in to a productive player, they’re unbelievable. He was the 5th receiver on their depth chart
by cow_fanatic on Mar 5, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Has anybody heard anything about
Igor Olshansky ?
by Musiccitynorm on Mar 5, 2009 4:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
A new 4 round mock
2. Phil Loadholt, OT, Oklahoma
3. Rashad Johnson, FS, Alabama
4. Derrick Williams, WR, Penn State
4. Scott McKillop, ILB, Pittsburgh
by tyler2 on Mar 5, 2009 4:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't want Loadholt in round 2
I see him as a guard at the next level, and I don’t think he’s good enough to merit passing over more pressing needs (DBs, DL, even WR)
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by Conjunction on Mar 5, 2009 9:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
5'10" 187
I’m not sure what the prototypical size for a FS is but I would want mine bigger than Scandrick
by cow_fanatic on Mar 5, 2009 5:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Jim Leonhard (5-8/186/Wisconsin
I think Scandrick has the size to succeed and he will probadly add about 5lbs this will be his first year in a NFL Weight program.
by willc23 on Mar 5, 2009 8:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And correct me if I'm wrong
but Leonhard plays SS. Surely, he’s not as tall as Scandrick, which further proves that Orlando would make a fine FS.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 6, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably the reason they haven't pursued any FA safeties this offseason...
Looks like Newman, Jenkins on the outside.. Ball in the slot. Hamlin at SS, Scrandrick at FS. I’m loving that lineup.
by Boyzfan94 on Mar 7, 2009 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is a passing package. I wouldnt worry about Hamlin in the box.
We will be getting a SS in the draft. We have no choice unless we sign one in FA. With this package he should be able to get his feet wet on 1st and short yardage plays. Slowly bring him around in the longer pass packages.
by squidlo97 on Mar 5, 2009 5:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
As far as that Eagles/Pats trade
When Bill Belichick calls…just hang up. Because whatever he wants to talk about ain’t gonna be good for you.
HATERADE: Two scoops of Eric Allen, add water and stir.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Mar 5, 2009 5:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he's a ripper-offer
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 6, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How come we always try to make something out of nothing
receiver out of Stanback
safety out of “the departed” Henry LOL
and now part time safety out of Scandrick
Can we just get a safety to play safety and receiver to play WR
the only good memory I have of converted player was W.Danzler’s punt return in that SF game that we still managed to loose.
by dcfanz on Mar 5, 2009 5:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Because an athletes an athlete
and if they’re convertible, why not?
Scandrick has proven he is fast and can cover well which is exactly what a FS needs to do. It’s just an experiment. If it works out great, if not, we still have a good corner.
by sublimezg on Mar 5, 2009 5:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There is more to it, how is Stanback panning out?
yes he is fast, but so is Usain Bolt. Scandrick experiment might work, but the point is that every position has the necessities of specific skill sets and players need to have instincts associated with the position. And those are acquired by a)talent and b) lots of practice.
by dcfanz on Mar 5, 2009 5:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know??
How is he panning out? Hard to tell with the injuries and him being lost among receivers who have been here longer in front of him. How’s RAT panning out? There are those who have done quite well with position changes you know??
by sublimezg on Mar 5, 2009 6:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Converted players with some success currently on the roster
Ware
Spencer
Ellis
Ratliff
Crayton
Bigg Davis
Gurode ? (I can’t recall if he started as a center, then went to guard, and back to center)
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Mar 5, 2009 7:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gurode was a center in college
Cowboys drafted him to play guard which in hindsight, was pointless
by AustonianAggie on Mar 6, 2009 10:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Torry Holt.....
Will be released an sign with us…..that’s my wish. I dont trust RW2, Austin and Crayton to lead this ship.
by ManTab on Mar 5, 2009 5:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
agreed on the trust, but
for the life of me, why replace TO with THolt?
by dcfanz on Mar 5, 2009 5:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's a helluva a receiver....
No issues with his character or are there?
by ManTab on Mar 5, 2009 5:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this better not happen
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
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by Longhorn on Mar 5, 2009 5:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Was T.O really the problem....
Or the rest of the idiots (starting with Garret) not liking the fact they were called out by T.O.???…..I still believe the problem is the Oline and the secondary and most of all……accountability.
All know is Im pissed and I blame stupid Garret for all of this. He’s predictable, he doesn call anything innovative…..he stinks.
by ManTab on Mar 5, 2009 5:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I doubt Garrett's gonna go into '09 with the same approach to the season.
He’ll be more flexible and have different gameplans depeding on the opponent. The T.O. will definitely affect some aspect of the passing game, but we gotta go into the season believing Felix and Miles and maybe even Hurd or Stanback will be healthy enough to contribute.
I’m cool with the committee approach, plus there is much more room for competition now at prime spots needed for development: WR, RB, and with the release of Roy, DB.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 5, 2009 6:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
correction
The T.O. “move”…
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 5, 2009 6:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You blame Garrett....
For everything?
Now I’ve never met Jerry Jones.
I don’t KNOW Jerry Jones personally.
But I know that he pretty much does whatever he really wants to do.
Owens as his pet, it was his boy, it was probably the biggest free agent signing he ever made.
And you REALLY think that it was all on Garrett?
All of it?
And Owens?
He’s a convenient scapegoat, but I think you’d have to turn a blind eye to think that he had no problems at all.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Mar 5, 2009 6:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I blame Garret...
Because he runs the offense and calls the plays. That was soooooo bad last year that the team finally gave up as we clearly saw against Philly. Romo was being killed because the protection schemes sucked. Everyone in the league in cluding our own players said we were predictable. Yes, I blame the Oline, the secondary and Garret….not the guy with over 1000 yards and 10 TD every season for the past three years. Owens is a problem when the team looses, we all know that, but the solution was to win by fixing the other issues, not by releasing one of the most productive players on your team.
by ManTab on Mar 5, 2009 6:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Garret should man up to his responsibilities.
when teams started jamming TO at the LOS he went to other players and never ever tried to create mismatches to free up TO
by dcfanz on Mar 5, 2009 6:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
I’m sure he never tried to do that.
Whatever dude.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Mar 6, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Carr, Chris Carr, Chris Carr
Chris Carr, Chris Carr, Chris Carr
HATERADE: Two scoops of Eric Allen, add water and stir.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Mar 5, 2009 5:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That guy's fast.
He would be a great addition should Scandrick’s move work out permanently.
Awesome KR, too!
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 5, 2009 6:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
better than ball
HATERADE: Two scoops of Eric Allen, add water and stir.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Mar 5, 2009 6:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I thought he had already signed somewhere, but he’s still on the market
Would be great signing with the DB market starting to come back to Earth.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Mar 5, 2009 7:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ellis is pretty much hinting he wants to go, but will not say it directly
I present you with exhibit A:
http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/03/greg-ellis-i-think-it-takes-more-than-on.html
Greg you must want out if you are going to take that stance, is being the starter really that important?
To me Greg has personified a player that is insecure, he cannot talk to the media (he suffers from foot in mouthitis); and is someone who could relate to TO because he feels that only when he is getting his playing time that he feels he deserves that the team will benefit. So long Greg thanks for the production and I wish you luck elsewhere.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Mar 5, 2009 6:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
No more WR's
They will stunt the growth of the young guys.
HATERADE: Two scoops of Eric Allen, add water and stir.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Mar 5, 2009 6:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Funny how perceptions change,
usually I am fed up with Ellis and his whining, but I think Ellis is 100% right, this time on that topic.
The irony is he’ll probably be gone before September.
by dcfanz on Mar 5, 2009 6:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Holt, maybe but I doubt GE has that much trade value.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Mar 5, 2009 6:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's kind of funny that he grumbles and grumbles yet does nothing about the situation
and nothing is done about the situation by management either.
Keep him around; it’s comical.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 5, 2009 7:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well Jerry said that they cuy TO
because they wanted to give other younger guys more reps. That’s reasonable. But I still have little faith in Roy. He met with TO personally to announce the news.
I’m still said to see him go, though.
by ym on Mar 5, 2009 6:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Is this a PLAN B?
I guess they already know that our 2nd round picks are usually a bust so they figure they better find a player on the roster to play it.
So is Ball now our 3rd corner? Didn’t they stick him at FS for a while too?
by Jon B. on Mar 5, 2009 6:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So 11 Picks
What exactly are the needs? DE, MLB, S, CB, WR, OT, OG and a backup C. Go get em Jerry!
by birdness on Mar 5, 2009 7:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
For all those who are pissed off and are putting the blame on JG
History repeats itself. The proof is in the pudding. I could go on and on with those on this subject.
T.O. is a drama queen, plain and simple. He is a great WR but he disrupts teams EVERYWHERE he goes. If you don’t think it’s his fault, well, your just as filled with drama and unreasoning as he is.
by torchindefenses on Mar 5, 2009 9:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I haven't been following the draft..
So, can we get more value at 51 by drafting a CB or Safety?
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on Mar 5, 2009 9:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sean Smith
Would be the perfect pick. He can play CB or S. I don’t think there’s a guy in the draft who fits what we need more than he does.
by hiafex on Mar 5, 2009 9:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
CB, there aren't any Saftey's in this years draft. Especially at #51.
My guess is that they’ll use the #51 on a ILB, then draft a NT. CB next and a possible WR. OT and OG will be in there too. Best possible pick after round 3.
by torchindefenses on Mar 5, 2009 9:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
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