The release of Terrell Owens: What They're Saying
Time for a special edition of What They're Saying that is sub-titled The Popcorn Has Gone Stale. It's been 36 hours or so since the release of Terrell Owens made the news, so let's take a spin around the Cowboys organization and see what people are saying about his departure.
Let's start with the man himself, T.O. I'll say one thing quite sincerely: his first statements after the release are all class.
"I want to thank Jerry Jones, Coach Phillips and the Dallas Cowboys for the opportunity to be a member of the team for the past three years.
A big thanks to the fans - you've been awesome! I look forward to the upcoming season and continuing to play in the NFL."
I was kind of wondering how Owens would treat his release in the public sphere and to be honest I thought he might take a swipe or two at Jerry and Co. But he didn't. Reports are that Jerry and Stephen flew to Owens (and agent Drew Rosenhaus) to deliver the news in person and that the meeting went well with the two sides shaking hands after it was over.
Much more after the jump.
In return, Jerry Jones had a few things to say about why he ended up making the decision to release Owens. The official team-release to the press stated:
"This is a decision that was made based upon consideration for an entire team. We will move on now with a new team - a new attitude - and into a new stadium. The evaluation process and the prospect for change will continue at every level of the organization."
Interestingly they decided to separate out the words "a new attitude" in the release. I think that was a subtle clue as to what they were thinking but Jerry Jones returned the favor of staying classy by saying:
"We've got some other top receivers that we want to involve," Jerry Jones said. "We've got some backs that we want to involve in the passing game. We've got some tight ends that we want to involve in the passing game. At the end of the day, you can't have it all."
This is where it gets back to Jerry double-talking. On the one hand, it's nice that Jerry is saying it was all business; they just wanted to move on with the younger personnel and all that. There is probably some truth to it, if the Cowboys and Jason Garrett have any brains they will attempt to get the running game much more involved in 2009. We now know that we have a trio of top-flight RB's that can produce in this league so the amount of carries they get should go up.
On the other hand, Jerry is lying through his teeth when he tries to make it all about a youth movement or a change in philosophy on offense as the impetus for the release like he does here.
"When I look at our overall - and in this day in time, you've got to look at the makeup of your team from the cap standpoint, from a financial standpoint, you've got to look at the team from the aspects of what you're going to do with your weapons, your receivers, your running backs. When we really look at what we'd like to try to do, then we felt like this would give a couple other young receivers a shot and give Roy Williams the focus that we'd like to have."
"You take age as a consideration. You take where you are with your entire roster. You take into consideration a lot of times, especially with a position like receiver, do you want to give others more of an opportunity to develop?
"In this particular case, we have an outstanding player in Roy Williams, and it was a significant factor in the decision that I made to release Terrell."
Jerry just signed T.O. to a huge new contract one year ago and while Owens' production did slip some in 2008 he was still able to put up comparable numbers to the top WR's in the league. And that was with Tony Romo missing three games and all the other injuries we went through during the season. You don't sign someone to that kind of contract, have his production dip minimally like Owens' did and then suddenly decide he's too old and doesn't fit the offensive scheme any longer. That's a nice fiction and it's a classier way of sending T.O. on his way, but it's hardly the whole story. Heck, until very recently Jones had been crowing about seeing T.O. and Roy Williams on the field together for a full season. Now, he needs to get rid of T.O. to make way for RW (no longer RW2 with the release of RW1)? Not totally buying that.
Sometimes you have to go to other people to get the real story. Maybe a WR on the team who loves to talk? You're thinking Patrick Crayton, I'm thinking Sam Hurd.
Hurd believes not having Owens on the field could help Romo.
"I know it takes a lot of pressure off Romo focusing on one main feature, like Terrell," Hurd said. "As a guy like him, he demands the ball, and it made you want to try to get him the ball. With him being released, he [Romo] doesn't have one main guy, so he can look at every one of us and see whichever one is open on any play and get the ball to him."
Now that has the smell of honesty and it also comes from someone who was about as close to the situation as you can get. In fact, there are a number of opinions out there that this move was about making the offense more Romo-friendly, a term Jerry introduced to the world a week or two ago. Peter King's article here is a representative example. At first it sounds counter-intuitive. Why would taking away a lethal weapon like T.O. benefit a QB like Romo? It comes back to attitude and the idea that Romo had to spend too much time catering to Owens' demands. Tacked on to this is the notion that Owens was not the most disciplined route-runner and that Romo was frustrated because T.O. was not always where he was supposed to be on certain plays. Go here to explore this theory a little more. It seems that the relationship between T.O. and Romo had been falling apart since that tearful moment after the Giants' playoff loss when Owens declared Romo "his quarterback."
Even further though was the crumbling of the relationship between Owens and the triumvirate: Romo, Jason Garret and Jason Witten. Again, the only people talking about this are the ‘anonymous sources' but they all seem to be in agreement. Some excerpts from an Albert Breer article:
"Everyone liked his work ethic, and the bottom line for some people was that, especially on a high-profile team, his work would carry him through," said one source close to the situation. "But I know T.O. didn't have a lot of respect for Jason, and that led to the demise of their relationship. (Owens) told him that personally, and once he did that, there was no going back."
"He was calling out Witten, calling out Romo, calling out Garrett," another Cowboys source said. "I mean, those are three pretty good guys."
I don't think age and scheme were quite the compelling factors for Owens' release that Jerry Jones is trying to make them. More likely it was Owens vs. the triumvirate that led to the divorce with some other factors sprinkled in. But not every body on the team saw things this way. In fact, plenty of the defensive players came to Owens' defense. Like Greg Ellis.
"I would say this about T.O. T.O. is the type of person who is going to say what's on his mind and if you really pay attention to it he's telling the truth. When you really break it down and analyze it he's telling the truth.
"Now when you look at him saying, 'I want to get the ball more,' to me I'm looking at it like he's like, 'I want to do more to help this team win.' I had a limited role this year myself so I definitely can relate to it. It's like, 'Man, I really feel like I know I can do more to help us win if given the opportunity to.' So he had a lot of frustrating times this year."
I never understood all the hype and controversy about him being a distraction, because he's been a great teammate, at least from my experience." Ratliff said. "I guess he's the fall guy. I just don't understand it, and I don't know what else to say."
That is just a sampling. Ken Hamlin and Terence Newman had similar things to say. In an odd way, it appears that Owens got along better with the defensive side of the ball than some of the guys on offense.
But if this move is going to make the Cowboys offense Romo-friendly, he'll still need a #1 WR. RW thanks he'll fit the bill.
"No, no added pressure, it's not my first rodeo," Williams said later by cellphone. "I've been doing this since I was in Pop Warner."
"Yeah, 2008 is gone, so that's it," Williams said before heading to the plane. "I just came here to play ball. Right now I'm working out four times a week and then heading home. When off-season [workouts] start, I will get with Tony."
"Getting with Tony" is probably essential to any skill player's well-being on the new Romo-friendly Cowboys. Owens didn't get that. In his previous stops, Owens and QB's Jeff Garcia and Donovan McNabb had falling outs. I'm starting to think that happened here although much more quietly. Jerry made a choice and went with his franchise QB.
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more this sinks in, the more I like the release. Even though it’s a huge cap hit, I think we just got better. I am very, very excited for the draft and for the new season.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by what_the_crap on Mar 6, 2009 10:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Had to be done......no other way to say it..
New stadium, new attitude says it all right there….
by Boyzfan94 on Mar 6, 2009 10:56 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Team's much better without TO
Roy Williams sucked last year, Crayton couldn’t cut it as a #2, but everything will be great now that TOol is gone. At least we can get a quality WR in the draft right after a DE, ILB, S, CB, OT, OG, backup C and QB for the future.
For the last 3 years TO scored more TDs than any other WR in the league, he didn’t go to jail, didn’t shoot himself, or anybody else. His fault is that he thought the team could win by going through him. $9 million in dead money is crazy, why did Jerry give him such a fat contract? This will be a huge step backward for 09, however other players will now have a chance to step up. Long term is was probably the right thing to do – still, I believe TO had earned another year.
by birdness on Mar 6, 2009 11:00 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
#2 by name
Crayton has never been the number 2 guy, maybe number 2 WR but not the number 2 target.
Witten is the 2 guy.
And you’re right, maybe it’s a step back, but I am interested to see what will happen now that there isn’t a push for you to HAVE to throw to one guy.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Mar 6, 2009 11:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not only that...
but how frustrating it must be to “have” to throw to one guy, and then for him not to be where he’s supposed to be. That link to the Jason Cole article on Yahoo has some telling quotes:
when he refuses to talk to his quarterback and tight end, Owens is worthless. According to three sources, there were times at the end of last season when Romo didn’t know what Owens might do from play to play. When Romo tried to talk to Owens about it, he got no response.Ultimately, this is about emotions and personality differences. This is about being able to function together. Any quarterback, regardless of whether he gets along with his receivers, needs to know what the guy is going to do.[/quote]
and
[quote] Former Cowboys quarterback Drew Bledsoe told more than one person that dealing with Owens’ antics wasn’t the problem. Not knowing where Owens was going to be on a pass route was the problem. [/quote]
I always knew that TO didn’t run the best routes, but this takes things to a whole new level. Romo really struggled getting the ball to TO the last month of the season. I used to chalk this up to his back injury limiting his accuracy, because they were only missing by inches. But maybe it was more due to the TO running a 10 yard out when he was supposed to be running a 12 yard out?
by DannyWhite on Mar 6, 2009 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol...nice...I am sure we'll find a quality WR, AFTER we draft aDE,ILB,S,CB,OT,OG,C, and QB....
Gotta love those undrafted rookie free agent WR prospects…
Jason Chery – Louisiana -Lafayette
He’s got skills.
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 6, 2009 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I knew he would react classy
Regardless of what people say, TO has really cleaned up his act and matured over the years. Acting like a jackass in the past killed his reputation beyond repair, and the media would jump all over anything he did. I am glad he is gone though, because the media will follow him wherever he goes, and hopefully take the camera of the Boys just a little but. That and the fact that is talent is definitely declining. We really cleaned house this year, and this is gonna be a different team going into next year, I am real excited.
by witten82 on Mar 6, 2009 11:08 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Being released most likely humbled him
especially considering the shock of his finding out. He has no other choice but to act classy if he wants another job.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 6, 2009 11:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
..I see him playing in New England next season...
New England’s own official team website has introduced a poll for their fans to vote on if they would accept, or be against signing TO. THAT is something teams just don’t do unless they are interested in TO, and would like to gauge their fans input or opinion, and want to know about what type of PR backlash it may cause if they do indeed sign TO…….btw…over 60% of their voting fans would welcome the signing of TO…..Oh Boy….Moss, Welker, and TO…..Brady is creamin’ in his jeans …
http://www.patriots.com/search/index.cfm?ac=searchdetail&pid=36483&pcid=41&rss=1
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 6, 2009 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
...ummmm
Dude the team website isn’t ran by Bill Billcheck and his staff, the same way Wade Phillips doesn’t run DC.com.
I’m sure the fans would love TO there, because its like a fantasy football team.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Mar 6, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TO has to be classy
he’s looking for another team right now, had he come out bad mouthing the cowboys he might scare the few teams that are interested in him away. iit’s like when a coach gets fired, they do the same thing.
by stephen1 on Mar 6, 2009 11:14 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
He didn't act class when...
He was looking to trade out of S.F. Or when the Eagles released him ( i.e sit-ups in the drive way… "NEXT QUESTION)
Man I hate being at odds with my fellow cowboy fans but man some of you have such disdain for this guy like he was the reason we didn’t make the play offs… wow
Semper Fi.
by UnNecessary Roughness on Mar 6, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't have disdain...
but I could say that some of the Dallas fans are acting like there was no problems at all with him.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Mar 6, 2009 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True that. The "poor TO" thing is amazing. Like he didn't have a track record
of backstabbing teammates, sowing discord, getting run out of town after town. And he’s behaving for now; he’s done that before, too. Wouldn’t surprise me if his “class act” falls apart in the near future, maybe when he gets on with another team.
by Fernie67 on Mar 6, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't hear the disdain either
I think it’s been relatively quiet on both sides. For the group who has been telling us the offense will completely fall apart without TO, I think most of them have handled this thing better than I would have expected. Same for the other side who wanted him gone. It’s not a happy day for any of us when the team takes a cap hit and a very productive (albeit pain in the ass) player is cut lose.
by StillHateTheGiants on Mar 6, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's the truth.
No one is happy with what went down.
I’m not amazed with the number of people that have logical reasons behind keeping T.O., I am amazed the number of fans that are acting like he’s a Vietnam vet that is being turned away from his country.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Mar 6, 2009 3:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
by kameleon_o on Mar 7, 2009 1:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I really like Hurd.
Hopefully, he can return to the form he was before last year. He was neck and neck with Miles and has proved to be a more possessive WR to Miles’ deep threat.
Should anything happened to Crayton, Hurd will be counted on, provided he makes the team again.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 6, 2009 11:30 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't count out Isaiah Stanback....I see him as the one making moves up the depth chart this season..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 6, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Comments like this give my post name life!
Forget Stanback. He has done nothing at all to provide an inkling of hope. This is his 3rd year, he probably won’t even get out of camp.
by Realist Larry on Mar 6, 2009 4:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ya see...it's comments like this i can't stand...Realist my ass.....
First off.,….Don’t tell me to forget Stanback,
Trust me, my eye for talent, experience, and ability of evaluating talent far exceed yours…So i’ll stick with my opinion, and you can stick with yours……thanks..
You are always trying to impose your obvious uninformed bias opinions on me and others. when in fact it’s you that doesn’t know Jack Squat about anything..
Isaiah Stanback-
1) He has shown everyone flashes of dynamic return ability, with several 40+ yard KO returns…
2) He has shown everyone blazing speed by passing Felix Jones while escorting him on a return…
3) He has shown enough to Michael Irvin in training camp that Irvin himself has professed that Isaiah Stanback if by far a bigger, better, stronger and faster athlete than he ever was.
4) He’s shown everyone the willingness to play injured with a seperated shoulder that required surgery, which he bypassed for the sake of the team in need of wide outs when both Hurd and Austin went out with minor injuries early last season.
5) He has nearly duplicated Miles Austins production in the same first two year period. All while being drafted coming off of foot surgery, knowing he was not to be even looked upon to contribute, and would need at least two seasons to transition from elite athletic QB to dynamic return man / WR…..
Once again….You are more than welcome to have your own opinions of a player….If you think Stanback sucks and should be cut after only one full camp, and 2 overall seasons, so be it..My opinion of him greatly differs….
.But don’t go responding to any of my posts with obviously disparaging remarks trying to rattle my cage knowing that I would disagree with your nonsense assessment of our probable future star WR/RS….
So you and your lil lil buddy Boyzfan. Baby Huey can kiss off…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 10, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been away
Did Hurd resign?
by StillHateTheGiants on Mar 6, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see us sign
a reasonably priced vet, just in case Miles and Sam can’t stay healthy
by stephen1 on Mar 6, 2009 11:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
It just sucks to have to sign somebody because of health fears.
I know that Miles and Sam have had problems staying healthy in the past, but I think (unless they draft someone) they should hold off on signing a vet until he is absolutely needed—even if that means in preseason.
George Teague, Brock Marion, the Roy Williams-of-old: Where are you?
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 6, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
we should use undrafted FAs for this
a vet is just as likely to be injured
by AustonianAggie on Mar 6, 2009 12:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i hope roy is who we thought he was....
cause my friends in Detroit seem to think we got bamboozled…..
i personally would rather spend money on a safety or a cornerback then another WR…..seems like we should give our in-house bunch of WRs a chance to shine…..they’re going to hafta run precise routes cause there’s not a lot of speed in that group…Austin’s got some jets but he’s always hurt…..Hurd can move but he’s hurt a lot too….ditto for Stanback……
"They need security in the world, Craig!"
by Tuna Helper on Mar 6, 2009 12:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I hope your friends aren't right,
but it is starting to smell alot like the Galloway trade.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
by GunsUp on Mar 6, 2009 12:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm hoping he is great too
I remember thinking he looked like an unstoppable force the few times I saw him in Detroit.
But, then again, I thought Brandon Lloyd looked like an unstoppable force in San Francisco.
I guess what we can hope for is something similar to New Orleans. Look at what they have done with a group of average receivers. If we can combine a passing game like theirs with our running game and TE play, we will have something special.
by JimmyJohnson on Mar 6, 2009 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Mar 6, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually TO got along with Barber, Crayton, Hurd, Roy, and other
offensive players.
I tell you who I can’t stand: that goofball Romo.
by ym on Mar 6, 2009 12:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Mar 6, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well when you think about....
The defense is gonna like anybody who produce on the field and keep the chains moving. They are on the sideline watching the game as it unfolds they hear the sideline conversations, they are in the locker room… Defensive guys like the offensive guys that punch a clock on the practice field and bring it on game day… an that is why they were so shocked. Addition by subtraction is not a term used on defense, addition by production is what they know… if you produce then you talk.. if you don’t produce get your #@#$ on the sideline with the coaches an shut your mouth, its just that simple…
Thats why I love the defensive side of the ball they are the hardest works on the team next to the O-line and they respect anyone who does the same.
Semper Fi.
by UnNecessary Roughness on Mar 6, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1000000000
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
by stoproyce on Mar 6, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The defensive side of the ball and the O-line are the hardest workers on the team, you say?
So you are basically including everyone except RBs, receivers, and QBs in your “hardest workers on the team” label. So about 80% of the roster. That’s not a very exclusive group you’ve created.
To me your logic here is rooted in cliches that don’t have much evidence behind them. Quarterbacks spend more time in the film room than any other player, you can rest assured that any successful quarterback is one of the hardest workers on his team and usually THE hardest. I guarantee you Tony Romo put in more time preparing and practicing this past year than several of our defensive players.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Mar 6, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats exactly what I'm saying...
“I did say hardEST workers not the ONLY hard workers” Please keep what I’m saying in context, you worse the ESPN with the misquotes.
And here is the root of my evidence:
From Pop Warner to High School I played on both offense and defense and on every play there are two groups that are usually going full speed all game… the defense and offensive line. You can’t take plays off on defense the moment you do thats when a WR is blowing past you or a running play is coming up your gap. On the offense you can take plays of if you know your not in the play or the ball is being ran to other side of the field. If a QB has to scramble around to find an open man even if its during the 2 min drill. he’ll hurry to the line and call a draw or a quick slant why? so he doesn’t have to run around again. You think Randy Moss is the only WR that takes plays off? heck no he is just the only one to say it out loud.
So yes I think for the most part the defensive side of the ball and the offensive line are the hardest workers on the field. Film study doesn’t count as HARD WORK… challenging? YES mentally stressful? Yes… but hard work?… NO..
Semper Fi.
by UnNecessary Roughness on Mar 7, 2009 12:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get the point
What does this have to do with TO? The defense liked him because he worked out a lot? TO took plays off and often didn’t run the routes he was supposed to, I thought that was common knowledge now. What’s the point here?
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Mar 7, 2009 12:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Harder workers?
Harder workers?
I love defense too, but that is pretty much a statement that you have no information to back up.
Every individual works at a different pace. DeMarcus Ware= Hard worker, Roy Williams (safety)= not so much.
I mean how do you know that Jason Witten isn’t a hard worker?
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Mar 6, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The O line are hard workers? There was hardly one on the line this year
that didn’t take entire plays off. They were horrible.
by Fernie67 on Mar 6, 2009 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Really weak post
I wonder how those hardworking defensive players would feel if TO wasn’t where he was supposed to be? Oops, I really didn’t want to play that gap.
by StillHateTheGiants on Mar 6, 2009 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Greg Ellis
Do Ellis’ comments concern anyone else? It seems he just had to make a crack about his"limited role" last year. I’ve grown tired of his act.
by TennKen on Mar 6, 2009 1:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Me too.
Even though I don’t think he’s a cancer, I wish that he could just except his role.
He’s making more money in Dallas then he would somewhere else and he’s probably not a starter most places.
Whats so wrong with being a valuable role player that gets around 7-8 sacks?
I don’t remember Jim Jeffcoat crying, he just went out and did his job and played a valuable role.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Mar 6, 2009 1:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I want Ellis to be NEXT on the chopping block..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 6, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that is what he is trying to do based on the comments he gave yesterday,
I’ll add that even if he was not intentionally trying to get himself out of dallas then he is just plain ignorant to the situation. Either way you slice it a player who is best known for complaining about his contract and his playing time just about everytime someone interviews him is going to be a liability on this team.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Mar 6, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A liability?
He does this every year. When has he ever been a liability?
8 sacks is 8 sacks, and he’s still under contract. He’s not going anywhere, and he’ll shut up when the season arrives. Let’s not overreact every time a player grouses.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Mar 6, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Besides
Ellis is the only one who actually thinks Spencer is any good. It’s funny. He says “Woe is me… You have this amazing guy waiting in the wings who deserves to start. Maybe I should go somewhere else where I can contribute.”
But the truth is, Ellis is our 2nd best pass rusher and our 3rd best overall LB on the team. Spencer got fat throughout last season and didn’t generate much pressure despite only playing in situations where he could pin his ears back and rush the QB. Ellis, meanwhile, was as solid a run-stopper as you could want – even with no penetration by our DE’s. He spent most passing downs either on the bench or covering the flat (which he did a decent job of – including shutting down Braylon Edwards (though he complained about it)).
So, if we look to the scorecard:
Pass Rushing: Ellis > Spencer (and don’t say Spencer didn’t get enough opportunities because he did. He probably had more pure pass-rushing assignments as Ellis last year and didn’t produce.)
Run-stopping / Contain – Ellis > Spencer – this one isn’t even close. Spencer is a 1 trick pony.
Covering the flat / banging receivers at the line – Ellis >>> Spencer.
Bottom-line – Spencer isn’t a Linebacker. He is a passrusher. And he isn’t as good as Ellis, even in that specialty.
by JimmyJohnson on Mar 6, 2009 7:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would trade his a$$........
For anything…..any safety out there worth a damn….Ellis has no value for us at this point. Spencer is another 1st round pick who has showed he can play. Let’s get at least a 5th rounder or something like that for Ellis.
by ManTab on Mar 6, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We're very thin at OLB
And Ellis does this every year, and then the season arrives and he clams up and plays under his contract.
Ignore him. Not every squeaky wheel needs grease.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Mar 6, 2009 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But
if you consider the “new attitude” comment, he would be the perfect person to cut and make an example of. He’s at the end anyway, right? Isn’t that one of the reasons we cut T.O., diminishing returns?
by cow_fanatic on Mar 6, 2009 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
His attitude during the off-season sucks
But honestly I can’t remember him being a distraction once the season is underway. I still think Dallas needs him with the current line up of OLB. Beyond Ware, we don’t have any proven guys. Spencer needs to establish that he can play effectively for an entire season.
I agree with Tim Wilson, Ellis can bitch all he wants, I don’t think anyone on the team even takes him seriously anymore with his complaining.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Mar 6, 2009 5:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I used to get irritated
now, I see Greg for what he is:
a paranoid who uses fear to motivate himself. He tells the press — and himself — that they’re out to get him, and then plays like somebody is out to get him.
As long as he continues putting up the sacks, I’ll continue to tune him out.
Now, if he were whining and NOT producing…
by Rafael Vela on Mar 6, 2009 5:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would certainly be looking to draft a OLB really early in this draft...
Conner Barwin in round #2 if available………
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 10, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I first heard of TO's release...
I thought, “OH NO! Jerry, you idiot!”
All I could see for the Cowboys in 09 was:
1) No WR needing to be double teamed or putting fear in the minds of opposing DCs
2) Eight men in the box on opposing teams stopping our 3 RBs behind a mediocre OL
3) Extra blizters coming at Romo, since all the WRs are covered down field
4) Pressure on Romo leading to a bunch more of those wacky INTs
5) Opposing DCs smiling, thinking we don’t have to game plan for TO this year
6) Double teams on Witten
7) Offensive production loss
I had to be “talked into” believing that TO’s release is the best thing for America’s Team.
The persuasion came from the like of Rafeal, Pat Kirwan, and others.
I do think that Roy Williams can duplicate TO’s receptions and yards per game. All he needs is 5 receptions and 76 yards per game to do it. I think that is obtainable.
I believe that the 09 Cowboys can be better than the 08 version:
1) If the OL can provide running lanes for our 3-Headed Monster RBs
2) If the OL can provide protection until our inexperienced WRs get open
Now that a major offense threat (TO) has been released, DCs will cover our WRs with fewer players and have the privilege of an extra man in the box to stop runs or go after Romo.
TOs absence is going to put more pressure on our OL, which already has some weaknesses.
by BishopWest on Mar 6, 2009 1:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
+1 But that's alot of "ifs"...
Way too many people squawking in the media and on these threads how the team has instantly improved and is now much betters sans T.O. Hold you fire. It’s a bit premature to be making that statement. I hope you’re right. But we’ll see. Training camp hasn’t even started.
The only way we’ll ever put this to bed is if RW can fill his pretty big shoes. That’s a bif IF. I hope he’s up to it. Cause if he can’t, this will be Joey Galloway redux for years.
by Boundforbeach on Mar 6, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Guess...
We’ll find out.
Nothing to do but wait.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Mar 6, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Guess...
We’ll find out.
Nothing to do but wait.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Mar 6, 2009 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
To me it all depends on Garret
We can’t be predicatble. Do we have enough players w/o T.O to produce at a high level on offense???? I think Witten, RW, Barber, Felix, and Romo are standouts. Hurd, Austin, Crayton, Bennett and Choice are at least OK players.
This team should be able to do enough but the O-line has to be healthy and Garret has to come up with some suprises.
by ManTab on Mar 6, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Garrett and Romo need to produce.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Mar 6, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1 It's a "show me" year for Garrett, RW,...
Carpenter, and our young receivers. But especially for Garrett or he’s GONE. Jerry was already ready to let him leave this year. If he can’t bring this offense back to life, they’re be someone else calling the plays in 2010.
by Boundforbeach on Mar 6, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and especially Romo he has never not had TO.
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
by stoproyce on Mar 6, 2009 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't wait for the
postings during the season talk about how Romo’s #s are down due to T.O. being gone and we’re averaging 6-8 more runs and 6-8 less pass attempts
by cow_fanatic on Mar 6, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Only numbers I care about are...
Wins and losses.
I don’t care if Romo throws for 120 yards a game and Dallas wins 10-7 every game honestly.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Mar 6, 2009 5:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Unless someone has him in a fantasy league, no one should care if his stats are down as long as the Cowboys are able to win.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Mar 6, 2009 5:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
but you know the T.O. lovers out there will use anything they can to argue getting rid of him was a mistake
by cow_fanatic on Mar 6, 2009 7:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Pittsburg fans don't give a dang that Roethlisberger's INT % is higher than Romo's
They just care that he wins
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
by kameleon_o on Mar 7, 2009 1:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So if Scandrick becomes the FS
what we should be looking at is big bodies with speed at the top of the draft – OG, NT or DE, then CBs in the middle, then safeties at the end, and expect a TE or FB in the middle of the draft too
by AustonianAggie on Mar 6, 2009 1:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not surpised that Ellis would relate to TO's "victimization." The rest of
those guys should shut it. Man, I wish that gag order covered everyone.
by Fernie67 on Mar 6, 2009 2:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I just think it's funny it's always the D players who support him
Jerimiah Trotter comes to mind
But w/ what Hurd had to say, clearly, Ellis, Tnew, have nothing meaningful to contribute to the conversation
by AustonianAggie on Mar 6, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I find it
interesting that Romo, Garrett, or Witten either were not sought out or did not have any comment about any of this. So let’s not be too quick to jump on someone else when those were the guys who were at the center of the controversy.
by jevans1729 on Mar 6, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If they're smart, they won't say a word.
by Fernie67 on Mar 6, 2009 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait a minute.
Why is that? That seems a little weak to me.
by jevans1729 on Mar 6, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What do you want them to say? I suppose they could be hypocrites
and cry to the press that they’ll miss him. They sure as hell shouldn’t be up there dissing the guy publicly. I guess it would be prudent for them to wish him well and then shut it and play ball.
by Fernie67 on Mar 6, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I want to know
what the truth is! My personal belief is that if the Cowboys had won the Philly game none of this would be an issue. Now I’m hearing give the young wide receivers a chance, T.O’s productivity, he ran bad routes, etc. The press is saying he was distraction/cancer etc.? What’s the truth?
by jevans1729 on Mar 6, 2009 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Then you'll have to wait for everyone to write their memoirs after
they all retire.
by Fernie67 on Mar 6, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
fine. Everyone got their pound of flesh and killed the anti-Christ. Now let’s see what happens when the first pass is dropped.
by jevans1729 on Mar 6, 2009 2:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Poor TO. He's never done anything to earn that rep he's got.
Maybe you could interview Donovan McNabb or Jeff Garcia; I’m sure they could give you an earful, too. I didn’t pay much attention, but I’d wager they kept mum after TO was run out of San Francisco and Philly, too.
by Fernie67 on Mar 6, 2009 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The issue of having enough passes to go around would still be there!
Some people seem to be chalking this all up to intangibles and chemistry, and ignoring Raf’s post which detailed very clearly that there were not going to be enough balls to go around this season with TO on the roster, and that (given his declining skills) he was standing in the way of younger players at the WR position.
Winning the Philly game would not change any of that!
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Mar 6, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
With all due respect to
Raf, that position was not brought up by anyone anywhere until T.O. was cut. However, the T.O. is a cancer line has been brought up consistently by the local media in Dallas and the MSM since he got to Dallas. My point is not that T.O. is innocent but rather that the others who were involved in this drama are getting a free pass and they are the ones who many here expect to be the leaders of the team!! I think that is a little bit disingenuous. If T.O, was the problem so be it. He took it like a man and left. Instead, we have Bledsoe talking about HIS experience with Owens and Romo and Garrett MIA. The MSM had no problem finding Hurd, Ellis, Ratliff, etc. for comment. I guess that’s just how news is reported in Dallas.
by jevans1729 on Mar 6, 2009 4:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What do Romo and Garrett
have to gain from talking about it? Throwing TO under the bus does nothing, and praising him does nothing. He’s gone. They are doing what they are supposed to be doing – getting ready for next season.
by DannyWhite on Mar 6, 2009 5:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And you might be right...
In fact I would gather you would be right, but it is what it is.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Mar 6, 2009 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Defensive players like T.O.
because he never throws them under the bus, so far as I can recall.
by DavidH22 on Mar 6, 2009 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the players can talk about the decision because it a done deal and they are being asked about
a decision that has already been rendered. The gag is probably meant to keep from speculating about what ifs and such. But greg goes off again trying to fit both his feet in his mouth at the same time. Ratliff was a bit more PC about it but I guess greg has never been able to help himself.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Mar 6, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't find Ratliff's comments very diplomatic, but then I don't agree
with him that TO is some kind of sacrificial lamb.
by Fernie67 on Mar 6, 2009 2:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I know, but in his defense he says he guesses that TO was the lamb; as if to say, well
I do not get it maybe he was a scapegoat. I think he said that out of disappointment of losing TO who he felt was a good guy; nothing really wrong with that. Ratliff was voicing a feeling of confusion and disappointment.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Mar 6, 2009 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I heard
that TO & his agent are in Nashville this afternoon to meet with the Titans.
by tyler2 on Mar 6, 2009 3:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Just shut up
It’s time to shut up and play football. That is the message being sent by Jerry. Wade and Garrett (especially Garrett) have been given the keys to the team. The players now know if you cross the coaches your butt will skip the pavement on the way out.
Parcells used to cut players just to send a message to the team. I think some of our guys got the message and some are scratching their heads asking wtf? Our guys don’t get it because they have been pampered to the point of making it the culture in big D.
This is going to be the best camp in years and don’t be surprised to see a surprise cut of the one guy who who keeps running his mouth (Greg Ellis). He didn’t get the message that the coaches are back in charge and do have some authority.
Sorry, my rant for the day.
by Musiccitynorm on Mar 6, 2009 3:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Listen to quincyyy's latest fanpost, it's with scandrick and he talks about who is already there
at the facility working on next year. It’s 8 minutes long but its good stuff.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Mar 6, 2009 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you hit the nail on the head with this: "...if you cross the coaches your butt
will skip the pavement on the way out." I think Garrett won this one. Now he’s got a year to prove he was right.
by Fernie67 on Mar 6, 2009 3:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry
obviously was the last one to come around to the necessity of this move. The fact that he did something he really, in his heart, didn’t want to do should shine a little gleam of joy to those who have been hollering for Jerry to step back from the team operations.
As for getting bounced if you don’t respect your coach, that should be a no-brainer on any team. Owens put himself above the coaches, above the players, above the team. For that, a player has to go. As a Cowboys fan, I wouldn’t want it any other way.
Duane Thomas was a better player than Owens, but his talent couldn’t trump his bad attitude.
If Owens picked a fight with Witten, he should hit the pavement immediately with no questions asked. Talk to Clint Longley
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Mar 6, 2009 3:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hurd's comments
Here is a different version of Hurd’s comments, with an added bit at the end where he basically tries to retract what he just said:
“I know it takes a lot of pressure off Romo,” Hurd said. “A guy like him demands the ball and you want to get him the ball. Now he can look at all of us and see which one is open on any given play. … I don’t think that was a problem. That’s just what could and might start happening.”
by goats-milk on Mar 6, 2009 4:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Cowboys sign Olshansky
Cowboys sign Olshansky
by tddorsett on Mar 6, 2009 5:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You cut out the cancer...
In two-three years, providing it’s hasn’t spread, you’ll be back to normal.
I bleed green and I piss silver and blue
by oldasquick on Mar 7, 2009 11:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Marvin Harrison's available..
But is he controversial enough for JJ?
Wharter
by Wharter on Mar 7, 2009 4:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Harrison is very much on the decline
And I doubt he will play anywhere nexy year. From what Ive read he isnt mentally able to go another season
I wear a black armband because on March 5th we cut TO and our 2009 season died.
by aussie_cowboy on Mar 8, 2009 5:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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