Life After T.O.: Contrasting Terrell Owens vs. Roy Williams
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Mar 7, 2009 8:32 AM CST
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When the Dallas Cowboys pulled the trigger on a mid-season trade to acquire Detroit Lions wide receiver Roy Williams, we knew that this time would eventually come. Terrell Owens is out, and Roy Williams is in as the Cowboys top wide receiver. There is little question as to whether or not Williams can be a true number one threat in the NFL. It is clear that Williams can do the job, but he presents quite a different set of skills than Terrell Owens. In three seasons as a Cowboy Owens has averaged 79 receptions, 1,196 yards, and almost 13 touchdowns. Williams may have an opportunity to approach some of these numbers, but he will certainly have to do it in a fashion quite different than what we are used to seeing with Owens.
In all honesty, Terrell Owens has entered the initial phase of his athletic decline. We have seen a deterioration of foot speed and short area quickness, which has been a main contributor to Owens' recent struggles to beat the press. One athletic attribute that has yet to fail Owens is his unparalleled top-end speed. Owens may not accelerate to fifth gear as quickly as he once did, but he can still redline it with the best of them. Roy Williams just does not have that type of speed, and people close to the Cowboys have shared the same sentiments. I'd be doing Williams a disservice by comparing his speed to Michael Irvin's, but the two are similar. Irvin never had blazing speed, but still caught his fair share of deep balls. I expect the same from Williams (who is considerably faster than Irvin was), but the Cowboys should still be able to compromise a defense vertically with Miles Austin, whose speed is at least in the same league as Owens'.
Throughout his career Terrell Owens has made a living using his speed and his 6'3"/ 226 lb. frame to control the middle of the football field. Owens still is nearly unstoppable on slants, digs, drags, shallow posts, and curls simply because of his size and strength. Once he is off the line he is nearly impossible to re-route, and is still as dangerous as anyone in the league at catching the football and running out of the backside of your defensive formation. Roy Williams at 6'3"/211, does possess some of the same skills. Williams' strength is more than adequate, and his balance is fantastic. Williams is definitely equipped with the physical tools necessary to control the middle of the field, but simply was not called upon to do so with much frequency in Detroit. But with the best tight end in football, and Patrick Crayton now probably moving back into the slot full-time, the Cowboys should still be able to get plays down the middle.
One clear advantage that Roy Williams has over Terrell Owens is body control. Roy Williams can high-point the football with the best of them, Larry Fitzgerald included. Williams has demonstrated the ability to make leaping one-handed catches, tap his toes on his way out of bounds, and compete for the football in a way that Terrell Owens cannot even comprehend. Williams height, leaping ability (see long jump and high jump), balance, and tenacity in attacking the football should make him virtually unstoppable in the red zone. If the Cowboys choose to do so, a fade to Williams inside the ten should be nearly automatic, especially in a division full of shorter cornerbacks.
Williams has also exhibited better hands than T.O. in recent years. Terrell Owens has at times been a body catcher (much like Michael Irvin), some of which can be attributed to the number of balls he catches in traffic, where body catching is actually beneficial. Owens also has problems deciding whether or not to reverse his hands, therefore ending up with awkward hand positioning on balls above chest height. Roy Williams does have his lapses in focus, but for the most part catches the ball with his hands, out in front of his body. As they build more familiarity, Tony Romo may grow to trust him on third down more than he ever did Owens.
Williams has the tools, the quarterback, and the corresponding offensive weapons to be a top-notch receiver in this league, but it is comments like this that concern me:
In an ESPN interview (before Owens' release), Williams was asked about his relationship with Terrell Owens, and whether or not the two were workout partners. Williams had this to say:
"That's my boy, but we don't work out (together). We probably never will work out (together). He may work out a little too hard for me."
Maybe I'm reaching, but that's not what I want to hear from the new focal point of the Cowboys passing game. With people already questioning his work ethic, I would have liked to see him come up with a better answer for that question. I'm sorry but if this guy is in my locker room, I'm working out with him.
Still, Roy Williams is set up to have a big year in the absence of Terrell Owens. We will find out rather quickly whether or not all those picks and all of that money were worth it. I expect Roy to have a big year, just look for a few more catches, and a few less yards. Look for less 60-yard touchdowns, and more 11-yard completions on 3rd and 9. Lights, camera, action Roy. I hope you are ready for your close up.
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I hope
Roy & Romo get together soon. They need all the work they can get together. Roy looked slow to me when he joined the Boys last year. I’m hoping it was his foot injury that slowed him but Roy has had the lazy lable since High School. So much god given talent but not a great work ethic.
by tyler2 on Mar 7, 2009 8:55 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
That's probably the main reason I hoped TO would be in Dallas one more season
Maybe he could have shown Roy how to prepare for the season. Although, he wouldn’t have shown him a thing about route running.
by illcowboy on Mar 7, 2009 11:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great article
I love the comparison in catching styles… my older brother and I said the same thing about bout T.O. He seemed to have the most trouble when the ball is about chest high you could see the unorthodox way yea attempts to grab it. Its even more apparent when you look at someone like a Torry Holt who uses nothing but hands to catch the ball as opposed to a body catcher. I will say T.O. had big hands which did help him put more on the ball even if it was a thud.
Semper Fi.
by UnNecessary Roughness on Mar 7, 2009 9:05 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
also...
He works out way to hard bothers me too. The best CB’s in the league would say it wasn’t that Jerry Rice was blazing fast or that he was physical, what would kill you is that a go route in the 1st qtr was ran at the exact same speed as a go route in the 4th qtr. An he practiced his routes so well that his go route looked like a go route.. his slant would look like a go route.. his outs would look like a go route he burst off the line all game long with the same torque and speed from the first whistle to the last.
Semper Fi.
by UnNecessary Roughness on Mar 7, 2009 9:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You know who else was a master at making every route look like a go?
Jimmy Smith. Way underrated.
HATERADE: Two scoops of Eric Allen, add water and stir.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Mar 7, 2009 9:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Aint that...
the truth.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Mar 7, 2009 9:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The best I have ever seen at running routes was:
Steve Largent
by 082288 on Mar 7, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I see you really watch the games
HATERADE: Two scoops of Eric Allen, add water and stir.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Mar 7, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've never...
got as far as College level but I’ve played ball… even tried semi-pro… but now its just recreation on the weekends. I’ve played both WR and CB… you can tell a natural pass catcher as opposed to someone fighting the ball.
Semper Fi.
by UnNecessary Roughness on Mar 7, 2009 9:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was a wideout too in college
That’s the one position I feel I know inside and out.
HATERADE: Two scoops of Eric Allen, add water and stir.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Mar 7, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
roy
coming into the year roy was drafted i wanted nothing but the cowboys to move up, and draft him, now that we have him it seems like justice on my end has been served.. i tend to be the blind eyed optimist at most times, but tryin to look at this particular situation at all angles and having the cowboys’s best interest in mind (opposed to my own selfish agendas)… im not too sure roy can fit the bill as the dallas cowboys’ number one wideout.. in all honesty i would rather see miles austin do it… that guy flashed good hands, route running, blazing speed, and a sensational attitude..
Look i was as sick (if not more) as the next guy, of owens’ atttitude and antics, but i found myself a lot more forgiving while he was racing down the sideline to blow up someone taking an angle while felix was headed for a td, or while he was blowing up defenses for 2 and 3 TD’s a game, and catching 60 yard bombs…. like our good ol friend MicheAl Irvin once said (this afer his cocaine incidents) “once i catch my next touchdown they will love me again”—-or somthing of that nature
Point im trying to make is, i personally didnt give two shits about what lance armstrong helmet he was wearing on the sidelines, or those nutt hugging tights that disturbed the piss outa me, or even over doseing and having his publicist make an ass out of herself. if you put up numbers and help my team win ball games you get a little less annoying to me. if all the other players on in dallas’s locker room felt the way i do, then maybe there wouldnt have been so much drama in there.. so i knew this HAD to come, but had this locker room not been filled with a bunch of whiney bitches we would have been a better team than 9-7 last year
by missingthe90s on Mar 7, 2009 9:15 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Is it just me...
I can’t help but think “inside sources inside the team” is still there. I know we layed blame to Witten when this was going on, but I have this wierd suspicion it was Crayton. Anyone else share that?
by BVandy on Mar 7, 2009 9:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it may have been carp, being how they got into a fist fight and there was very bad blood between the two, but who knows. crayton DOES have a hueg mouth and he loves to flap it.. we will never really know who exactly it was, but regaurdless i share your thinking that the rat is still wearing a cowboy uniform
by missingthe90s on Mar 7, 2009 9:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yakuza Rich
Has an excellent Cowboys blog. He quoted a source who knew a player on the roster, who indicated the bad blood was indeed between Carpenter and Owens. The source reported that Owens annoyed neither Romo nor Witten; borh those guys are pretty easy-going. If true, it was very enlightening in that the media-reported drama was completely overblown.
If one connects the dots, you can also see our boy wonder, Jason Garrett, is playing political hardball behind the scenes. He couldn’t stand Owens, so now Owens is gone. Dan Reeves was slated to come in and consult; Dan Reeves is an offensive thinker, with the obvious implication that he would review and comment on what Garrett is doing. The organization created an environment that caused Reeves to walk away.
So Garrett got what he wanted. If he’s the second coming of Vince Lombardi or Bill Walsh, that’s okay, but from what I’ve seen, he’s the second coming of Mike Martz. I don’t think these moves help us in the long run, media hysteria aside.
by kindablue on Mar 7, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i found that post by Yakuza rich to be very enlightening. I think Barbie should be shopped for picks .
It appears he was Turders source and IMHO the cancer so many of your have been witch hunting for. He is a marginal player and it appears he was the stirrer of discontent. I hope Jerry has a handle on this because it would be a shame for Colombo to rip barbies head off.
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
by stoproyce on Mar 7, 2009 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I suspected Barbie Carpenter being the lil bitch rat the whole time..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 7, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
actually I'd pay to see tape of TO undoubtedbly beating Barbie like a red headed step child. Or to see Colombo rip his goldy locks looking head right off.
If true I’d be surprised to see him make it out of training camp,TO had a lot of supporters on this team,Barbie not so much.
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
by stoproyce on Mar 7, 2009 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I Don't Think Carpenter
Has even one supporter, near as I can tell. The word leaking out of Valley Ranch his rookie year was he had an arrogant attitude. It looks like you’ve seen the episode of Hard Knocks where Columbo talked down to him like a little girl, and Davis openly laughed at him.
I can’t see the team would be hurting that much if he moved on.
Funny, if the rift between Owens and Carpenter is true, that we chose to hang on to the arrogant, back-stabbing snitch, and cut our most productive offensive player.
by kindablue on Mar 7, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much my opinion as well. We kept the Pinto and dumped the Corvette. Boooooo
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
by stoproyce on Mar 7, 2009 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL ... thanks for the chuckle
and SO sad if true
by GalTex on Mar 7, 2009 2:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What....
Have I been doing being a Carpenter supporter…..
by nicholas.rodriguez on Mar 8, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have never been good with putting my thoughts into words but if I could
they would have come out something just like that
by 082288 on Mar 7, 2009 11:13 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Amen to that...
+1
Semper Fi.
by UnNecessary Roughness on Mar 7, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Big Plays
I think one of the problems the Cowboys faced was living and dying by the Big Play. This is incredibly exciting and tends to work much better against weaker defenses, but cannot be relied upon when you are facing better competition (aka the playoffs). I think this is one area in which RW will easily surpass TO.
by BVandy on Mar 7, 2009 9:17 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I second that.
Big numbers coupled with losing and mediocre game stats indicate one major thing…we are not sustaining drives and we are not in control of football games. We rely on that flash in the pan to get us over the points difference.
by rotovibe on Mar 7, 2009 9:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes ths is true
but the problem as I see it the Cowboys offense was not discipline enough to consistently sustain long drives. A false start by Flo, a holding by Davis, to many third and longs and too many mistakes by Romo.
by 082288 on Mar 7, 2009 11:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If RW has a good year
the Cowboys will be scary in the Red Zone.
by cowboy1966 on Mar 7, 2009 9:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
"That's my boy, but we don't work out (together). We probably never will work out (together). He may work out a little too hard for me."
Put that quote in front of every WRs name – other than Jerry Rice – and I would believe they said it.
Emmitt Smith hated the weight room and saw no point in it.
It’s about gameday, let’s see what he does.
by rotovibe on Mar 7, 2009 9:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Practice? Practice? Practice?
“We’re talking about practice?”
by BVandy on Mar 7, 2009 9:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True about Emmitt
But this is a different era.
HATERADE: Two scoops of Eric Allen, add water and stir.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Mar 7, 2009 9:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Its more than..
Just lifting weights… thats good for strength but weights don’t help you with endurance and route running.
Semper Fi.
by UnNecessary Roughness on Mar 7, 2009 9:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
umm...yes. I know.
But when a quote comes out that indicates that a WR isn’t willing to undergo the types of measures that TO goes through – I can somewhat understand it.
I do agree that RW is suspect, but like I said – we’ll see gameday. I won’t burn the midnight oil concerned about him.
He either puts up or shuts up.
by rotovibe on Mar 7, 2009 9:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I do sense a little "slack" from RW.
I hope I’m wrong. But he seems like the personality that needs to be prodded from time to time.
by rotovibe on Mar 7, 2009 9:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice article
which includes perhaps the understatement of the offseason: “Williams has also exhibited better hands than T.O. in recent years.”
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
by dave33 on Mar 7, 2009 9:32 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't get too carried away with that.
Roy will have us pulling our hair out as well. He gets disinterested and drops some easy balls as well. Just not quite as many.
HATERADE: Two scoops of Eric Allen, add water and stir.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Mar 7, 2009 9:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
Roy has the drops more often, but he does catch the ball more with his hands then his body.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Mar 7, 2009 9:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no doubt
HATERADE: Two scoops of Eric Allen, add water and stir.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Mar 7, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think threre is a place for both styles on a team...
Meshwan was a body catcher an like Carl said so was Irvin. WR that go across the middle alot tend to use there body so they can brace for impact and secure the ball at the same time. Where it kills you is if the ball isn’t on your body and you have to changer your hands to go to the ball.
Semper Fi.
by UnNecessary Roughness on Mar 7, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot Keyshawn
yeah him too.
HATERADE: Two scoops of Eric Allen, add water and stir.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Mar 7, 2009 9:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh yea ...
How can you forget " Throw Me The Damn Ball" Johnson…lol
I do prefer a WR that catches with their hands… I think one of the best right now is still Torry Holt, followed by Steve Smith and Fitzgerld pulling a close 3rd
Semper Fi.
by UnNecessary Roughness on Mar 7, 2009 9:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Not disagreeing with you, but you think Holt catches with his hand more then Fitzgerald?
Haha I don’t even remember too many times seeing Fitz catch the ball with his body.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Mar 7, 2009 9:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
its more a matter of...
longevity… Torry has been doing it longer and for his age to still catch the ball the way he does to me still makes him the best… now if Fritz can keep it up for a few more season then it will be a tight race between him and Steve Smith.
Semper Fi.
by UnNecessary Roughness on Mar 7, 2009 10:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TO really needs some help.
I truly believe that he just has a hard time trusting people. And he gets his self-worth from the fact that he is a good football player.
For once in his life – mainly from his hard childhood – he feels like he is in control of it.
He won’t let anyone take that control/value away from him.
Not players, coaches, or the owner.
That is why he lives the way he does and it is not good for a team sport.
We all know people like him.
by rotovibe on Mar 7, 2009 9:55 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think you are right
This is why I was rooting so hard for TO. I really wanted him to finish his career here. And I honestly thought he was turning a corner with Romo. I agree with Michael Irvin, his release is sad.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
by dave33 on Mar 7, 2009 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
it is sad.
From an organizational perspective, we can’t help fix his mentality.
He needs people around him that will help him make the changes. I think he’s maturing as a person, but it’s gonna be a tough road and a lot of baggage to get rid off.
I think there is too much money (to be made) around him that prevents people he does trust to be honest with him.
by rotovibe on Mar 7, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Always wonderful when a guy going on 36 is 'maturing.'
That is a real sign there’s something wrong, chemical, emotional, or both inside of him we can never understand.
by Realist Larry on Mar 7, 2009 5:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I voted
not going to match, only because I think Witten will get more balls. But I think RW will do just fine as the #1 WR.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by what_the_crap on Mar 7, 2009 9:58 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Like I said and I hope most Dallas fans agree...
I don’t care about the stats part of it.
Only numbers I care about are Wins and Losses.
If Dallas gets 50 yards offense and wins 3-0 every game(while I would be bored) I’d still be happy.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Mar 7, 2009 9:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I am the opposite
I love defensive struggles. They are very exciting b/c when a big play happens it has a huge impact. I am bored by Dallas 41 Eagles 37…
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
by dave33 on Mar 7, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Stop being so old school.
This is a passing game now, its not the 60’s anymore.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Mar 7, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll be whatever I want to be
So you didn’t enjoy it when the Cowboys D was holding teams out of the endzone for a brief period last season? You like seeing them get smoked like they did against Baltimore?
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
by dave33 on Mar 8, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love some good defense too.
But I dont know how that game was boring.
HATERADE: Two scoops of Eric Allen, add water and stir.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Mar 7, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, bored is probably too strong a term
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
by dave33 on Mar 8, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But I'll take 41-37 anyday if it means a win!
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
by dave33 on Mar 7, 2009 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh, 3-0 nothing everygame...
I couldn’t take that.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
by houseofprime on Mar 7, 2009 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The biggest reason defensive struggles are so boring..
IMHO Is because there a twice as many ad-breaks because of so many 3 and outs that are followed by official time-outs. And the commercials are bad enough in a normal game.
0 = The number of Super Bowls the Eagles have won.
by gee-roj on Mar 8, 2009 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love defensive struggles
Each possession becomes that much more important
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Mar 8, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
off topic......
Has anyone heard of Roy Williams (SS) getting looks from any teams?? I haven’t seen anything out there since he was canned…..no appointments, interviews…nodda…
by Boyzfan94 on Mar 7, 2009 10:31 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
You're Not Surprised, Are You?
I mean, we’re desperate for safeties, and we dumped him. Who wants an overweight, past-prime complainer who can’t cover anyone and has terrible tackling fundamentals. The rest of the league has watched him decline for five years now. They’re not dumb. A late round flier in the draft has more value than Roy.
I believe that’s why it been so quiet on the RW1 front.
by kindablue on Mar 7, 2009 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
50 Yds offense and 3-0 games
Afb you know that Parcell has moved on. That’s his style. That’s one thing I did like about the 2007 season. The offense was not bland and boring. The stronger running game doesn’t necessarily mean a boring offense , but it will be different.
by oldboysfan on Mar 7, 2009 10:50 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
i think the better question is...
will miles austin/sam hurd be a bigger threat on the field that TO would have been. We went from having a TO/RW/Crayton WR core from having a RW/Crayton/Austin core… so we are in essence replacing TO with Austin. I think everyone should agree this does not make our team better on the field but we still have the potential to improve on last year if we can be more fortunate with injuries, the coaching improves, and our players play with some heart. Any of those could have improved with TO on the team and we would have been in better shape than we are now.
by rangerjake on Mar 7, 2009 11:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Talking Cowboys Pointed Out
This week that Owens put up the best three-year statistical period in Cowboys history. So I’d say the odds of Williams matching that are slim.
In general, I don’t have a good feeling about our offense next year. I would feel more confident if Garrett had shown a better understanding of how to manage his players and run an offense. Hopefully he’ll recover from his case of Mike Martz Disease and start mixing up the playbook to force defenses to adjust.
by kindablue on Mar 7, 2009 12:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't expect Roy to put up Owens 2007 numbers...
but I think 08 numbers are realistic.
Besides Owens YPC, his numbers were pretty average for a #1 receiver.
And those numbers along with the rest of the team getting the ball more, could be good enough production.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Mar 7, 2009 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
If you take the worst year of Owens’ tenure here, and ignore his monster year of 2007, and his very good year in 2006, maybe Williams can match that. Maybe, because he’s not demonstrated that he can consistently be a lead receiver, much less a great one like Owens. If all he can do is match Owens numbers last year, that doesn’t bode well for the future. We were an average offense last year, and while everyone is quick to point out we had injuries and poor offensive line performance, those problems are more excuses than serious points of discussion. Neither Pittsburgh nor Arizona had an offensive line as good as ours’, and they went to the Super Bowl, and every team has injuries.
So while Williams might move up to the point where Owens was at his worst, I doubt it will be enough to make the offense as potent as it was in 2007.
by kindablue on Mar 7, 2009 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
great points.
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
by stoproyce on Mar 7, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
....so...
Didn’t I just say the exact same thing?
Who said anything about the offense being as good as it was in 07?
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Mar 8, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, You Are Much
More optimistic than me that Williams will be able to match Owens worst year as a Cowboy.
You mentioned if he does that, it will be “good enough”. Last year, Owens was the best receiver on an average offense. If Williams can only equal Owens year, it does not bode well for our future. Our defense at this point is too soggy to carry the team. An average offense will be “good enough” for a team in the eight- to ten-win range, but not to make a serious run in the playoffs.
We are definitely not saying the exact same thing.
by kindablue on Mar 8, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok...
Let me be more specific.
I am thinking/hoping that Dallas can be more proficient running the ball because of a trio of good and hopefully healthy running backs as well as better o-line depth.
The defense is a top ten defense that has steadily gotten better the past three years.
You call it optimistic, but its not like I’m going out on a crazy limb.
I don’t think it’s nuts to think that Roy can get 1000 yards.
One good wide receiver, one great tightend, a trio of running backs and an above average offense can get it done.
Hell thats pretty much what Pittsburg did when they won their first superbowl. That defense they had was very similar, it wasn’t groundbreaking, but it had heavy pressure.
They had a crafty wideout in hines ward and a one dimensional guy in Randel El.
In the 13-3 season the ball bounced the wrong way a few times and in the 9-7 season there was some injuries, bad luck, and some bad play.
All I was doing was saying that Roy CAN match that production. This is a good offense, it was a good offense the year before Owens came to the team, and that was when Bledsoe was the QB.
In 07 Dallas had a CRUSHING offense.
That was the best offense in Dallas Cowboys history.
This year, it can be good to very good still. I think Felix Jones being back will help things alot.
I think the defense is also good enough certainly if the keep progressing.
I’m not expecting a Super Bowl win, but I think the playoffs aren’t out of the question.
Optimism?
I guess.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Mar 8, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Your “top ten defense” was 19th in points allowed last year, and 13th the year before. The Steelers defense last year was one of the best in the last decade. I agree our offense is at least as talented as Pittsburgh’s, but the difference is in what the defenses have accomplished.
If all you are saying is that Roy can match Owens’ worst year here, there’s no argument at all—it’s a completely uncontroversial statement. The point I made is that when you examine what Owens did here, it was the best three year run in franchise history. To take an underachiever like Williams and expect him to match that production is basically dreaming.
There’s been lots of talk about how we’ll be better next year, because we’ll run the ball more, and the offensive line will be healthy. That’s an argument for a 1972 offense, and also assumes Garrett will finally stop calling games like he’s Mike Martz. In this era, championship-caliber offenses pass first and run late to drain the clock. That’s been the case since, oh, the 1981 season when San Francisco won their first trophy. The only run-heavy teams to win Super Bowls were those with suffocating defenses, which I haven’t seen from us since about 1994.
Of course playoffs aren’t out of the question. One season after going 13-3, and plenty of talent on the roster virtually assures that. But we have a window to win a championship, and tossing Owens to the curb just caused that window to slide closed a little more on us.
by kindablue on Mar 9, 2009 6:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the point others made
is that Roy doesn’t have to do more than equal TO’s 2008 production. If the guys we have now can just absorb what he did, which is highly possible, then with our renewed emphasis on the running attack we should have a pretty good offense.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
by kameleon_o on Mar 9, 2009 6:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately
A pretty good offense—let’s say about as good as last year’s, or maybe a little better—isn’t going to go far in the playoffs, unless the defense turns into Ravens or Steelers caliber.
That’s the point I’m making.
by kindablue on Mar 9, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And point taken.
And you are probably right.
However the steelers had a very good defense in 05 and a good offense.
The defense wasn’t the monster then that it is now.
The Bronco’s were kind of the same way the year they won against the Falcons.
Not alot of flash a pizzaz.
I think turnovers are the main thing in this equation, turn back the turnovers and dallas is better.
Will it happen? Eh, I don’t know. Can it happen? Sure.
Just my opinion.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
by AirforceBat on Mar 9, 2009 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
We’ve got to protect the ball much better this year, I just have an uneasy feeling the painful lessons we went through last year were not always learned. The offense can be much more productive by actually throttling back, if they cut back on the turnovers.
One can only hope…
by kindablue on Mar 10, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
Sorry, I should have clarified, i was comparing the Pittsburg team of 4 or 5 years ago that won the super bowl.
Not this years.
Sorry for the confusion.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Mar 9, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He led the league in scoring over the past three years AFB. Everyone is quick to point out he was second in drops but that is an ESPN stat that isn't even kept by the league.
I hope and pray that Roy is up to the challenge and that Romo can make better decisions now that none of his receivers are talking(lol).
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by stoproyce on Mar 7, 2009 1:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Drops matter. Especially on 3rd down. ESPECIALLY ON 3RD DOWN.
Drops are tracked by the Elias Sports Bureau. We all hate ESPN, but drops have nothing to do with them.
Elias is very credible. They are actually, hands down, the source for historical baseball stats.
by falconPUNCH on Mar 7, 2009 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Drops Are Subjective
And Elas has made several mistakes in their statistics collection. Stats Inc. used to point those out in the introduction their NFL Handbook annuals back in the 1990’s.
And it’s not clear what is your point. That Elias claims Owens led the league in third drown drops last year? Last two years? In his career?
by kindablue on Mar 7, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Royce...
Haha, what the hell?
Did I say anything about drops or his production?
I just simply said I think Roy can meet Owens 08 production.
Dallas makes me act like Christian Bale......
by AirforceBat on Mar 8, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Owens dropped too many passes, including third down passes.
That truth is my point. “Drops are subjective” doesn’t change the fact that Owens dropped too many passes.
The offense struggled sustaining drives at times last year. If someone thinks that Owens route running and bad hands had nothing to little to do with these broken drives, then that someone is ignorant in a bad way.
Owens is (was) a great WR. However, his faults out weigh his pros now.
Owens’ “style” translates well in a “big play” offense. And we’ve seen that the Dallas big play offense cannot succeed. So, replace Owens the home run hitter (if he catches the ball) with someone who can is proven and has great hands, albiet he is a B to Owens’ A- as far as talent.
by falconPUNCH on Mar 7, 2009 3:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ah, So You Mean to Say
“That opinion is my point”. Unless you can demonstrate it as true, you can’t claim it as truth. Which makes your comment about what you think is ignorant quite humorous.
No doubt Owens is on the downside of his career. That downside is still likely better than any other wide receiver we currently have on our roster. That’s the reality of the situation, and that, as I’ve mentioned before, is the main point.
And I do not agree with your assessment of Owens’ “style”. He played and flourished almost his entire career in West Coast offenses, whose bread and butter is shallow crossing patterns and to a lesser degree slants. That offense played to his strengths, which allowed him to make big plays.
He was used more traditionally in 2006, and basically used heavily on deep square ins under Garrett. Garrett was loathe to run slants, and wanted to get the ball deep way too much. That problem is not because of Owens, it’s because of Garrett, who failed to utilize Owens’ strengths.
by kindablue on Mar 7, 2009 3:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Do drops remove points from the scoreboard? I know Touchdowns add them,right . Just making sure since he has led the league over the past three years in points.
My bad, points are just a stat they don’t matter at the end of the game really.
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Your causes are cute!!!
by stoproyce on Mar 7, 2009 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Did Owens drop passes and cut drives short? Does his inability prevent potential points? Does he contribute to keeping the defense on the field too long?
Yes. Yes. Yes.
I’d like to her anyone’s argument otherwise.
I like Owens. But he isn’t worth the trouble. When you ask for the ball so damn much, you should be sure you’re able to catch it.
Hines Ward had 7 tds. Santonio Holmes had 5.
Owens had 10. Lance Moore had 10. Each WR had 2 more tds than Kevin Walter.
by falconPUNCH on Mar 7, 2009 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so which of those 60 points would you trade for a first down?
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
by stoproyce on Mar 7, 2009 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Terrell Owens led the NFL in 3rd down receiving yards...must be something right..
must of been the go to guy here…Romo’s go to guy…….
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 7, 2009 6:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nice some one got falcon punched .
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
by stoproyce on Mar 7, 2009 6:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
[An Analogy]
Did Babe Ruth as a batter strike out to end innings? Does that inability to get on base prevent potential runs? Did he contribute to not resting his pitchers enough?
Yes. Yes. Yes.
So, should the Yankees have dumped The Bambino in 1930. when he was 35?
by kindablue on Mar 7, 2009 5:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I wear a black armband because on March 5th we cut TO and our 2009 season died.
by aussie_cowboy on Mar 7, 2009 7:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyway you look at it Owens was and still is way much better receiver than what we have now. Moreover
for RW, who just had been made N1 in our offense on reputation alone (1 TD in 7 games or so), to say that the guy he replaces works out harder than him is stupid, plain stupid even if its true. This is not the message or the image of yourself you want to project, this is not the Lions where at the beginning of the season expectations are anyware between 3 and 6 wins, those are Cowboys and the clock ticks a little faster here.
by dcfanz on Mar 7, 2009 4:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Drops..
..aren’t an official stat now. There was a point when sacks weren’t official stats either – but at some point someone recognized that they influenced the game. It will be the same with drops some day.
When you have a receiver clamoring that he needs to have the ball thrown to him more and more, then factor in that he dropped more passes thrown to him than everyone in the league, save one – then those dropped passes seem like a relevant discussion point.
As far as preferring a defensive struggle? I’m all for it, if it’s the other team’s defense struggling to keep my team from running up the score. Other wise – not so much!
Finally, I enjoy reading Carl’s posts. he usually manages to teach me something that I didn’t think about. Now, I’m an old dog and you know what they say about teaching an old dog! Carl can do it – good job Bubba.
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
by Jim Vance on Mar 7, 2009 4:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So...
Maybe we should have cut Michael Irvin in 1991. He was constantly complaining about not getting the ball. Jerry Rice was legendary for complaining about wanting the ball. Steve Smith complains about not getting the ball. So does T.J. and Fitz and any other current receiver who’s worth anything. Singling out Owens for what is one of the most constant characteristics of great receivers doesn’t make any sense.
Drops aren’t particularly relevant to the discussion point here, unless someone can demonstrate Owen’s net value to the offense—drops and all—is much less than the second-best receiver on the team, if not third best. I haven’t seen any convincing discussion to make that point. Most of the negativity towards Owens seems to be grounded in the most base stereotypes of his character, the sort usually broadcast be ESPN.
by kindablue on Mar 7, 2009 5:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
HOG WASH -- Drops will never be an official stat...It's the worst and most subjective non-stat i've ever heard of.
SACKS are made, there is a clear cut determination as to what a SACK is, the play stopped, the QB is behind the line of scrimmage…simple………DROPS are purely speculative. and unless a WR has clearly established he can get both hands on the ball, is moving in a forward motion and being led properly, and doesn’t have an opponent interupting the proccess of securing the ball firmly, then and only then can it be considered a drop….now go back and watch every single play directed towards TO, and show me 33 instances where the above mentioned circumstances held true to course…….You won’t find half that many….I’ll bet on it..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 7, 2009 6:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Extremely Well Put
Sacks are generally pretty cut and dried. Is a “drop” in sleet conditions in Pittsburgh, where a wobbling ball slips through the one hand a sprinting receiver could get on the ball, as the safety was closing on him, the same as a drop when a guy is wide open on a clear, calm day, standing still and the ball bounces off his chest? If a receiver loses the ball in the sun and it bounces off his shoulder pads, is that a drop? Is a receiver like Ftizgerald, who can leap and pluck the ball at its apex, penalized with a drop when a ball goes through his hands, when a receiver with alligator arms wouldn’t even try to stretch for it? And where does a statistician draw the line for all these situations?
I’m with you, man.
by kindablue on Mar 7, 2009 7:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is a fumble in Pittsburgh..
still a fumble in Miami? Yes.
If a receiver gets his hands on a ball and drops it – is that a drop? Yes, regardless of the weather.
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
by Jim Vance on Mar 7, 2009 8:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Debatable Analogy
Fumbles are easier, because the player already has possession. It doesn’t take into account the other variables, of which slipperiness of the ball is only one.
And you’ve not addressed the larger question of how Elias assigns drops, and whether or not they’re responsible about how they define and implement that.
And you’ve totally ignored the most important issue, of whether Owens’ drops in the scheme of things warrant his dismissal. Which is the subject I was talking about, and the most important issue of why Owens was cut.
by kindablue on Mar 7, 2009 8:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Blue
Fumbles don’t account for slipperiness, or getting whacked by Ray Ray or having a broken hand, you put it on the ground it’s a fumble. I was making that point because you mentioned the weather etc. But you’re right, it is a debatable analogy.
In my opinion, T.O.‘s drops have to be taken as a part of the total decision to cut him. That was the point I was trying to make – that drops are relevant. Take the other side of the issue, assume T.O. is super glue. He’s thrown 100 passes and snags everyone of them. To me, that would change the equation. I’m sure Jerry and Garrett and Wade would adjust their thinking if that was the case.
Wouldn’t you think Elias would apply some semblance of consistency across all wide receivers in how they determined what was a drop? Do you think they had one standard for T.O. and another for Ocho Cinco? I’m making some assumptions of course and that is one of them. Another assumption is that yes, some passes that were considered drops might have been uncatchable by anyone and shouldn’t be counted against the receiver. But again, I would assume that would balance out over the course of the season and across all receivers in the league.
So, I take that into consideration and say a guy deserves the benefit of the doubt and could slide a few places either direction.. but ..he would still be near the top of the drop list.
Some want to blame Romo – Ok. Whether he threw a bad pass or a great pass, if it’s dropped, his completion percentage goes down his stats are affected.
Summing up – drops aren’t the only factor in a decision, but they are relevant when you evaluate a player. Again, in my opinion, scouts and statisticians will find a way to clarify and quantify a receiver’s drops. They will use it in the draft and eventually in the league ratings. There is too much money at stake. .
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
by Jim Vance on Mar 7, 2009 9:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Of Course Drops Are Part of the Equation
But as I’ve mentioned before, unless someone can make a compelling argument that Owen’s drops make him the third or even second best receiver on the team, it doesn’t make sense to cut him. Do those supposed drops offset the huge production he’s given us the last three years? I’m skeptical of that argument, at best. At this point in the discussion, it takes on the appearance of nit-picking.
Elias may well try to be consistent—but the point I was making is that there is so much subjectivity involved, and I don’t know how they’ve drawn the lines, much less consistently interpreted them—that citing their statistics without recognizing these facts inflates their importance.
by kindablue on Mar 7, 2009 11:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The drops are only part..
.. of the equation. I’m not saying that his drops were the compelling reason that he was cut, they were part of the reason. Like I said before, had he caught everything thrown his way, it may have made a difference in management’s decision – it may not.
My old man used to say, “Nobody does anything for just one reason alone.” What he meant was that when making a decision, most people don’t act until there are a number of reasons to act. You don’t get a divorce just because you don’t like a woman’s cooking. But factor in that you also realize you have nothing in common, she snores louder than you, AND just wrecked your new car – you decide that’s it. It wasn’t just the car or the cooking, it was the totality.
In the decision to let T.O. go, I’m sure JJ realized he was letting a talent go – that’s why he hesitated so long. But, in JJs mind, it was a decision that was worth losing the production and the 9 mil.
You can have the last word.
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
by Jim Vance on Mar 7, 2009 11:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're Starting to Make My Point
That the decision on Owens must include the full range of his contributions and drawbacks. But I’ve still not seen much if any meaningful evaluation of that net value from those who agree with him being cut—most of the discussion is falling back on the “Owens is a cancer” stereotype championed by ESPN and bitter Eagles fans, and the silly “he drops every pass” urban myth.
For such an important decision made by the team, the level of discussion here has been largely devoid of thought.
by kindablue on Mar 8, 2009 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's say TO DOES drop 32 (for the sake of argument)
That’s TWO downs per game turned into incompletes. Not a series, a single down. If a team can’t overcome that over the course of a season, then there is no point in doing a passing game at all. How many incompletes does a QB throw in a game? How many turnovers suffered because Romo waves it around liek a loaf of bread? How many fumbles did Barber have? I would argue that a single turnover far outweighs the piddling 2 drops a game TO “averaged” (according to Elias) last year. At least a drop is an incomplete pass, and the only thing lost is a down, not yardage, or heaven forbid, possession.
The only really bad bonehead drop of TO’s that I remember is the end zone at Green Bay in 2007 when the ball falls into the DBs hands after wide-open TO mishandles it into the air. That one could have cost a game, and should count as a fumble by him, not a drop.
At any rate, when they first brought in TO, the Boys specifically released a statement that they know he occasionally drops one, and that they were perfectly fine with that. I believe that should end the speculation that drops played any part in the decision ot release him.
by mdlusk on Mar 9, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to Peter King (noted TO hater)
Owens only averages 12 drops per year during his Dallas tenure.
I wear a black armband because on March 5th we cut TO and our 2009 season died.
by aussie_cowboy on Mar 10, 2009 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol, less than a drop a game, then
let’s say TO gets targeted for 10 times a game. 6 get caught (for 90 yards and a TD, for example), 1 gets intercepted, 1 gets dropped, 2 are uncatchable. How productive does that make TO, then? Particularly if his TD is a 40 yard backbreaker, and two of his others are 20 yarders, causing the defense to sweat him just being on the field.
by mdlusk on Mar 11, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
completely different...once again..A fumble is a fumble...It's a clear cut circumstance
A fumble can only happen if a player is in full possession of the ball. Since that is easily determined, and reviewable, any loss of the ball before the whistle, before a knee touches, or before he goes out of bounds, or across the end line is clearly a fumble.I don’t care about wheather or field conditions, if you lose the ball, you lose the ball…plain and simply.
A drop is a insinuation that a player should have caught the ball, by a unregistered, unofficial third party stat guy with nothing better to do with his time. plain and simple…
I repeat !!
unless a WR has clearly established he can get both hands on the ball, is moving in a forward motion and being led properly, and doesn’t have an opponent interupting the proccess of securing the ball firmly, then and only then can it be considered a drop
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 8, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You said a drop is..
..purely speculative, then went on to describe what would constitute a clear cut drop.
A sack is clear cut? What is a half sack? When a QB is ‘in the grasp’ is that ALWAYS a sack? How did Zach Thomas get credited for one of Ware’s sacks when it is so clear cut? Football is full of interpretations – did you ever hear the term , ‘They got a good spot?’ How can that be? The placement of the ball is not subjective. A sack is so clear cut that they have to use high speed cameras to determine if a QBs arm was moving forward (incomplete pass) or not (sack). Then it’s debated for days if the call was right. Yeh, clear cut.
I will restate my point. Two receivers; one receiver is thrown 100 balls and ‘drops’ 50 of those passes vs another receiver who is thrown 60 balls and ‘drops’ 10. That ‘stat’ is relevant. Granted, you need to have a definition of a drop that is understood by all, but to say that kind of discussion isn’t relative and relevant is – hogwash.
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
by Jim Vance on Mar 7, 2009 7:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by kameleon_o on Mar 8, 2009 4:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dropping half the passes thrown to him is bit of an overexaggeration for any WR
I wear a black armband because on March 5th we cut TO and our 2009 season died.
by aussie_cowboy on Mar 8, 2009 5:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
when a pro WR gets any part of his hands on a ball, he should catch it, no excuses. See Larry Fitzgerald.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Mar 10, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
T.O. is in Buffalo trying to get a deal done.........
Any thoughts???
by TARHEEL PAUL on Mar 7, 2009 4:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
TO will flourish in Buffalo....TOO Cold for BSPN to send Rat Mouth Ed Turder up there...
TO and Lee Evens is one of top 5 WR duo’s in the NFL….imo…Trent Edwards is very accurate, and depending on the status of that piece of crap RB, they have the talent to compete in that division…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 7, 2009 6:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking the other day,
lets say TO plays another 2 seasons and retires, what is he gonna retire as 49er or Cowboy?
by dcfanz on Mar 7, 2009 4:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Who cares?
I hope as a Bill….anyone besides the Boys.
by Realist Larry on Mar 7, 2009 5:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sounds good to me let the pats and fins have to deal with him twice a year . Poor dude though Buffalo is a brutal place to live.
And I’d be proud to have him go into the HOF as a Cowboy.
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
by stoproyce on Mar 7, 2009 4:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He'd have better luck getting into the Hall as a 9er ...
but I’d welcome him under the Star. I wish him the best in Buffalo, if that works out.
by GalTex on Mar 7, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he'll need luck to get in and i think he gets to choose his team if I am not mistaken. I too wish him the best until we play him,lol.
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
by stoproyce on Mar 7, 2009 4:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Buffalonian Here
Long time reader first time poster. Came over with the BSR boys. I am a diehard cowboys fan in Buffalo Bills land so i know a few things about the Bills. I’m completely shocked the Bills signed TO, it’s very out of character for the organization. But with Lee Evans here TO will have his counter part receiver to stretch the field. It’ll be interesting to see how the Bills fans handle this signing.
O and by the way, I dont know where your from stoproyce but stay where you are, we don’t want you here in Buffalo. This is a great place to live
by buffalocowboysfan on Mar 7, 2009 5:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thats not what i meant man .I meant its COLD brutally COLD and thanks very much I will stay where i am. I knda like it here.
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
by stoproyce on Mar 7, 2009 5:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good post.
Wherever he stay. I hope it isn’t Texas.
by cowboy1966 on Mar 7, 2009 5:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I only go to Texas to take your women ,but you don't have to worry I only like the hot ones. Oh and Buffalo good lookin out man i will stay away now .
I was so looking forward to my visit to your Applebees.
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
by stoproyce on Mar 7, 2009 6:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1 Buffalo...upstate NY is beautiful....
TO will shine in Buffalo….They don’t have any press up there to cause turmoil…..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 7, 2009 6:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm we replaced Canty on the cheap: Olshansky
1. the deal is for 4 years and is 24 mil less that what Canty got from Giants
2. I’ve heard only good things about him, when he played for the Bolts (wasnt really interested in his play though)
3. If he can adequatly re[lace Canty we struck it gold
4. on the other side I always hate it when we sign Wade’s guy or Parcells guy for that matter, be ware of those signings.
by dcfanz on Mar 7, 2009 5:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The plus with him being a "Wade" guy is that he knows the system.
I think it’s good, value pickup.
by GalTex on Mar 7, 2009 5:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bills agreed to terms with Terrell Owens on a one-year, $6.5 million contract.
by GalTex on Mar 7, 2009 5:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Surprised he didn't go to Tennessee
He would fit in well, play for a contender, and have a coach who (after sucessfully benching VY) would have no qualms with keeping TO’s BS under wraps.
Then again, maybe HE didn’t want to go there.
by JimmyJohnson on Mar 7, 2009 5:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He had to take a one year because not many teams were intersted, if any..
by Boyzfan94 on Mar 7, 2009 5:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
can you stop that nonsense....it was well know there were other teams looking into aquiring his services...
There’s no doubt he took the highest paying one…….
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 7, 2009 6:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope TO = Sterling Sharpe
Sterling was one of the greatest receivers ever to play the game. He was a dominant 1-man receiving crew. Nobody could stop him. But the Packers offense didn’t do anything until he went down. Then Farve had 4 pretty good (but not great) receivers to throw to. It opened things up and made the Packers a much better team. I don’t think RW will be anywhere near as good as T.O. in 2007. But that won’t matter if we can send 3-4 receivers out on every passing play, 1 can get open quickly, and Romo can deliver the ball.
by JimmyJohnson on Mar 7, 2009 5:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
Roy has to step and duplicate TO’s stats, I think we will see more balance with this offense. Spread it around to who is open. We have 4 guys in my opinion at WR/TE that create mis-matches-Roy, Witten, Austin, and Tellus. I expect to see our offense resemble New Orleans. We should be better,our WR/TE’s are better, our RB’s are better. Substitute Felix for Reggie dialed. Our D is much better..
We should have problem putting up 24 pts a game, our D just need to be more consistent.
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on Mar 7, 2009 5:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hey Glory, two points
1. Kudos on the Paul Bunyan link. If I didn’t know better, I’d have guessed that Witten posed for that drawing
2. I don’t know what you do for a living, but if it does not involve putting pen to paper, you are in the wrong business
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Mar 7, 2009 6:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks,
I wish I could write for a living. Maybe someday.
HATERADE: Two scoops of Eric Allen, add water and stir.
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Mar 7, 2009 6:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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