Shut Up and Play
How can you have a cohesive team when some players use the press to air their grievances? Isn't a team like a family? Remember this famous movie line? - "You're my brother Fredo and I love you, but don't ever take sides against the family again!"
In ancient Greece the Spartans were a group of elite warriors. They fought in phalanxes, tight squares of men with each warrior's shield over lapping the man to his left. If a Spartan warrior lost his weapon during a battle, but held on to his shield and his position in the phalanx, his bravery was rewarded because he protected the integrity of the phalanx (the team). If the Spartan warrior lost his shield during the battle he was executed. Why? The protection of the phalanx (the team) was of primary importance, by holding on to his shield in the face of the enemy attack he protected those around him. If an attacker got inside that perimeter the entire formation could be destroyed.
Protect the team. Your shield overlaps that of your teammate and that interlocking/overlapping protection is security for all. Players today are too quick to skewer a team mate or coach in the press and the unspoken message to me is - ‘I'm willing to stab anybody in the back to get my way.'
Here are three basic rules for being a good teammate.
Rule Number One - When you're a player and you openly criticize another player or coach, you let down the whole team. You put them and you at risk. You highlight the team's weakness and give your opponents an opportunity. You don't have to like the guy to your left and right, but while you wear the same uniform you are responsible for not attacking them.
Rule Number Two - The sum is greater than the parts. No matter how great a warrior or player you are, you can't win without the guys around you. When you let them down, either by failure to prepare as well as you should or by placing your needs above the team's needs, you will ultimately be brought down yourself.
Rule number Three - Review Rules One and Two
I'm not advocating that a player follow along blindly and never speak his mind when he thinks he sees a problem. I am saying that there is a proper way and a proper time to criticize a co-worker or manager - but never in public and never in the press. I always went straight to a co-worker I had a problem with and tried to work things out between the two of us. If that was not possible I went to the next level manager and tried to get resolution. Sometimes I got my way, sometimes I didn't. Either way, I kept my mouth shut and dealt with it. Why is that so hard for professional athletes to do? Just respect the other guy on your team and deal with your problems like men.
Like the interlocking Spartan shields protected the phalanx, showing respect for teammates and dealing with intra-team problems behind closed doors will make a stronger Cowboys team.
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Great write-up, JV!
I agree with you, which was one of my gripes with Owens.
But some people still… OMG T.O. SCORZ TUCHDOWNS!
nice write up! great points but Falcon do you spew the same hate for our qb? He called out his OC didn't he?
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
Romo should have kept his mouth shut, but he did it once. If he makes a career out
of doing it like TO has, then we’ll talk.
I still don't see how he really "called out" his OC
He mentioned after a horrible loss that kept us from the playoffs that they figured us out a little. Big deal. If that’s the worst that ever comes out of his mouth concerning someone else on the team we’re doing pretty good.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
Oh, I don't think it was horrible either, but he did criticize the game plan. He
should have kept it in house.
Oh, I got what you're saying.
I was just saying that I thought it was overblown in general is all.
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Great Comment
If that’s the worst that ever comes out of his mouth concerning someone else on the team we’re doing pretty good.
I love the “if that’s the worst thing that happens…” joke. It was true when Romo said it about losing a game, and is definitely true about saying “they figured us out.”
Yeah, that is a really good write up
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
What you are saying is......... THE LOCKER ROOM AIN"T SACRED
Which is what Mike Singletary said. He went to war with his fellow players as a bear and cannot imagine having the sniping and primadonna attitudes that permeates the locker room today. Oh and btw he played with Jim McMahon.
Just think Jerry could have had this guy as our Head Coach.
Yeah...
Let’s not praise Singletary too much.
He hasn’t done anything yet in the NFL. I mean he might be great, but for the life of me I don’t know why he didn’t grab his defensive coordinator by the throat and ask him why he was letting their corners play off of T.O. this year.
Me and my dad were in the stands and we were kind of like “ummm are the letting him have a free release” and they did it almost every play.. made no sense.
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Actually
Mike Singletary has done quite a lot in the NFL. If you are too young to remember, just ask someone. Yes, he hasn’t matched his playing career in the coaching ranks yet, but as for understanding how a locker room works, Singletary knows how that works.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
ummmmm
Sorry I didn’t CLARIFY.
I thought that it was pretty much understood that I was talking about his coaching career.
Please don’t talk to me like I’m a moron. I don’t know everything, but I know who Mike Singletary is.
I’ve actually had a discussion on this board about him being one of the only good Baylor Bears ever.
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Baylor
has a pretty decent OT coming out this year.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
Yeah...
that’s where the discussion stemmed from.
He is probably going to be the highest player to ever be taken from Baylor in the draft.
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Sorry..
If earlier came off as rude. Just had a long night, my kiddo decided that he wanted to play at 3 in the morning.
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When's the draft?
So we can start collectively looking forward? I’m pretty burned out on the he said/she said crap.
I think Jim's point was the team as a whole needs to shut it's mouth
Only in the comments has it already devolved into he said/she said. (She said? Are we talking about Barbie Carp? I kid).
Although I agree, now that we’ve made most of our moves and FA is dying down, we’ll be turning towards the draft pretty heavily. BTW, the draft is on Apr 25-26th. I’m counting it down on the clock on the left-hand sidebar.
by Dave Halprin on Mar 8, 2009 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions
My bad, I didn't mean to appear to be criticizing Jim's post.
It was spot on. It IS the comments section where this always degrades in to a Romo/TO fault/blame post festival.
Yeah I like Jim's post too...
As always but I know what you’re saying Ben.
I’m ready to forget “the player”.
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isnt it different this year
1st and 2nd round during “primetime” and the rest are on the next day… and they all are shorter right?
What the French?! Toast!
I hope they're all shorter
Once the Lions sign their pick, the Rams should sign their’s, and so on.
We could have half of round 1 done before the draft even starts!
Kidding of course, but it’d be nice.
That was the same format last year
Last year the draft started at 3:00 pm EST with the first 2 rds on Saturday and rds 3-7 on Sunday. In previous years, the draft started at noon with the first 3 rds on Saturday and rds 4-7 on Sunday.
In Romo we Trust
and I forgot
The first rd went from 15 minutes down to only 10 minutes and the remaining rounds 5 minutes.
In Romo we Trust
Good Post, and you can sum it up in one word: class.
Pride-in yourself and how you carry yourself, and in your team and how you treat them.
I try to teach this to 10-year olds every day.
Most of these athletes have been brought up in a bubble, treated like prima donnas since they were 13-add in our culture at large, which doesn’t exactly reek with class and pride, and you get the modern athlete.
i agree
i even posted about this a while back. except it was mostly regarding to. i wanted him to shut up and play. time and place for everything.
Well hopefully Carpenter doesn't throw anybody
under the bus anymore. I guess his time with the Cowboys is just about up too.
"If your good at something never do it for free." - The Joker
Complain "up"
I had a great boss once who told us, “Never criticize down (to subordinates) or laterally (to peers). They can’t do anything about your problem except become unhappy, as well. Complain up to me.”
JV, I loved your write-up. Completely reflected that advice. I wish everyone — football and otherwise — would heed it.
Wow. That is a great quote.
I’m going to use it sometime and pretend that I came up with it myself. Hope you don’t mind!!! LOL
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The NFL is not a normal workplace...
Jim… I agree this is how things should be “in a perfect world.” But the workplace analogy that Joe the Plumber and most everyone else operates in doesn’t really translate to today’s player.
I can’t speak for all of us, but I think its safe to assume that most of us: (1) haven’t been coddled and told we are great since a young age; (2) don’t have an agent; (3) don’t have a publicisit; (4) don’t have a gang of sycophants following us around; (5) actually fear losing our jobs for complaining because we don’t have a safety net of millions sitting in the bank; and (6) don’t have a camera or microphone thrust in out face weekly. Again, I wish things were as you propose. But it is just that — wishful thinking.
Actually you can do something about it. You release them. If your in charge, regardless of the talent,
if they dont buy into the team 1st attitude, get rid of them. It might hurt you in the short term but in the long term its better for you and the team. You let someone get away with it then you got troubles.
I agree with both of you...
I don’t think it’s always as simple as just releasing them because of the money sometimes.
Unfortuantly alot of times contracts make it where releasing a player, regardless of attitude or for that matter production, just counts way too much against the cap.
It’s sad, but true.
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If I agree with AirforceBat...
does that mean I agree with all 3 of you?
I agree with Boundforbeach that you can’t really expect reasonableness from most professional athletes, but can’t you at least expect them to have a good attitude for a professional athlete. Kind of like a WNBA player is good at basketball for a woman.
I think you can’t ask a player to be the epitome of meekness, but there are certainly a handful of players who stand out even among the prima donnas we love to watch on Sundays.
Why is hockey different?
Out of the 4 big leagues, the NHL for some reason seems to be closer to the team first ideals. Lots of whining, complaining, posturing, me-first types in football, basketball and even baseball. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen in hockey, but my perception is that it is a much less frequent.
by Boundforbeach on Mar 9, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I know that Jimmy Johnson, BP, Mike Holmgrin, Bill Cowher, Tony Dungy, ect.. would have cut a player regardless of talent if they hurt the team or became bigger than the team.
Those guys believe in themselves and their system. The also believe they can with you or without you.
Whoa...
Dude… Taylor was doing blow while playing football and was suspended by the league several times. Parcells didn’t cut him. Why? Talent. Notice Parcells didn’t afford the same courtesy to Quincy Carter. Why? Lack of talent. You can’t just say that all of the coaches you listed won’t put up with a problem if they guy is super-talented.
T.O. didn’t engage in half the serious shenanigans that Taylor did. And I would point out that T.O. also “always came to play.”
by Boundforbeach on Mar 9, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Both of you are on the same page.....
But on different avenues.
Taylor wasn’t a locker room problem.
Tyalor was Taylor problem. I compare him to Irvin. Taylor was self destructive but his damage was primarly to himself.
Jimmy put up with problems off the field, he just didn’t tolerate in house crap.
Charles Haley might be one of the biggest freaks ever in the NFL. The crap he did was borderline pyschotic, but Haley also knew that Jimmy would cut him at a drop of a hat if he went to nutso.
Owens could have used a guy like Jimmy. I don’t know if he’s ever truely been under a coach that he was afraid of.
Anyways, really you shouldn’t need to be babysat or coralled in if you’re a 35 year old man.
It’s sad that sometimes it takes that though.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
and you know TO did this ?
ahhh….forget it…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 9, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
....
I know that Jimmy Johnson, BP, Mike Holmgrin, Bill Cowher, Tony Dungy, ect.. would have cut a player regardless of talent if they hurt the team or became bigger than the team.
That’s what Jerry did with TO. Not trying to dog on the guy anymore AT ALL, but Jerry did just this on a bigger scale than either Jimmy or Parcells could have done. I don’t think either of them would have had the stones to do it to such a high profile, productive guy. Jerry set a new tone for the entire team with that one.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
Speaking of prima donnas...
…and Christian Bale… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIjrkARdSo0
Caution: Christian Bale flips out in this sound clip and does not hold back on his use of profanities.
Really random, but funny. Your signature reminded me…and it kind of fits with the topic.
One or maybe two prima donnas
can be endured. A whole team, no way. T.O. by himself might have been tolerated. What happened is everyone else got it in their head they had the same freedom of speech. When the 3rd reciever gets to trash talk then things are out of control.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
Haha
Yeah that’s how Dallas makes me feel ALOT.
Bale overreacted, but apparently most of the hollywood people backed him up. People were walking around while he was in the middle of a take I guess for the second time and he blew a gasket.
Pretttty funny.
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Coach Bale?
Maybe he can give a speech like that to the team?
So pardon my disposition; why should I listen to a system that never listened to me?
Haha...
I think some of Jimmy’s speech’s might have been close to them.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
I just wish the players could get this speech
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-AXTx4PcKI
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
Great post
That was my biggest complaint with TO and this kind of behavior was starting to spread. TO was not the only problem last year but hopefully cutting him will show the rest of the team that this will be a team and anyone who tries to undermine that mentality is expendable.
Question
I still Defend TO during his tenure as a Cowboy but hes gone now so i might as well move on right… right.
If the Bills make the playoffs (or would they have to win the division?) and the cowboys miss out.. will that be the only scenario where cutting TO would be a bad idea? Or would it be just purely coincidence?
What the French?! Toast!
Well...
I don’t think you could purely judge that, I’m sure alot of people would be mad, but you can’t judge that completely.
If the Bills make the playoffs they are going to have to do alot of things right. Lynch is probably going to be suspended for a good 4 games more then likely, and Trent Edwards took a step back in year two.
Buffalo is also in desperate need for another pass rusher.
Just a little comparison
Buffalo- 24 sacks
Demarcus Ware- 20 sacks
That’s kind of the same thing with KC. You can win games with average wideouts, average secondary, average runningbacks, hell even an average QB, but I don’t know a team that’s ever won a superbowl that has a bad pass rush.
You can have 5 deion sanders back there, if you only have 20ish sacks a year, you can’t go far
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TO’s performance with the Bills is irrelevant. It’s a completely different situation, so there’s no telling that TO would have performed the same in Dallas this year as he will in Buffalo. In fact, the numbers argue that TO always performs better in his first year with a club than in any subsequent years… purely coincidence? So even if Buffalo wins the Super Bowl and TO wins MVP, that’s no guarantee that the same performance would have happened in Dallas this year.
by greatwhitenorth on Mar 9, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
it doesn't matter
if we go 11-5 and win a playoff game or two, will that mean TO was the problem? I really don’t think so. The #1 receiver is one man on a TEAM. We have plenty of talent to overcome his loss – but our oline and qb need to play well.
I hate to not allow the TO/Romo debate to die but I havgent had much access to the internet the past week.
I was one of the biggest supporters of letting TO go. All this blame on the media causing a riff is the real B.S. of this whole story. If you think that only 3-5 guys on the team had a problem with him then you are short sighted. Only a few have enough juice to speak up. The Cowboys werent much of a team in December. Something had to change.
I think Dungy said it best on NFL network, TO is the kind of girl you date but dont marry. He is good for a couple of seasons and then its time to move on. If he hadnt already been on the team and would have become available, I would be screaming for JJ to sign him. He will do well in Buffalo and will make Trent look like a probowler but that doesnt mean we should have kept him.
I also think looking for anyone to replace him is dumb. That kind of talent doesnt grow on trees. What we are looking for is a more coheisive offense and more wins. A chance for the young guys to develope and the finishing of Romos maturation process. I have said it before and Ill say it again," I dont know if we can win without him but I do know we couldnt win with him.
ugh i cant resist
We couldnt win with ware or witten or gurode or romo or parcells or roy williams or newman…. that phrase/argument holds no weight. I hate it.
What the French?! Toast!
Thats written to the TO lovers who think we wont win without him.
I believe the talent is there we just need to come together as one.
+1
I wear a black armband because on March 5th we cut TO and our 2009 season died.
by aussie_cowboy on Mar 10, 2009 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions
TO
Seeing him during the Bills’ press conference welcoming him to the team was actually really sad. He looked like a defeated man: confused, hurt, vulnerable, sort of proud but unsure. It was some good TV. Made him more human for me. My wife teared up… it’s kind of a Greek tragedy in how he’s probably got a good heart, but is mis-wired somewhere and is his own worst enemy.
If I were the Eagles, know what I’d do…? I’d offer a 2nd round pick for Austin or Hurd. It would SCREW the Cowboys for 2009.
I didn’t really want TO to be released. He’s so good on offense and added a lot in the Xs and Os side of things. But now that I hear he was becoming an actively divisive factor in the clubhouse, it’s probably best to cut out all malcontents right now… and send a message to potential whiners as well.
Haha...
Well Dallas could still match whatever Philly’s offer is and retain Austin, so Philly would actually have to give Dallas a second and get in a bidding war.
As far as Greek Tragedy, I couldn’t agree more.
He’s his own worst enemy.
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I actually agree with you. Uck
I’m on board with him being released but I won’t say that I feel good about it. I didn’t want to hurt the guy and that’s the way I think he took it. I really do wish him well and hope he has a HUGE season.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
I was feeling a little sorry for the guy but he made 9 million from us this year and 6.5 million from the Bills.
Will someone please hurt my feelings like that.
I'd love to get a 2nd for Hurd
But…I live in Philly and if the Eagles try to take Miles Austin, I’m knocking down Lincoln Financial Field.
So pardon my disposition; why should I listen to a system that never listened to me?
+1.
I have never met the guy personally but for some reason I like him. I think the greek tragedy is a good analogy.
I don't believe that it was either/or on cutting him.
If he was really a difficult presence in the locker room, why not find some other way to discipline him? Does discipline have to mean cutting? There’s everything from fining, to not starting, to benching for various amounts of time, to banning from the team and practices for a while, to suspending, and THEN to cutting him.
That’s the biggest reason I don’t buy the BS about this move being a punitive decision. TO was cut because they felt the team would do better ON THE FIELD without him. I.e. they are going running game-heavier next year. There is no need for a big-time WR in that offense. They then feel that his prooduction in 2008 was not worth the contract if it continued to 2009 (conveniently forgetting 1200+ yards and 15 TDs just the season before). So even with his big contract, they felt the production (going off of his 2008 numbers) would not match the contract, therefore they cut him. They knew they would not be able to get him to agree to a lesser contract for a lesser role (and projecting lesser production anyway), so they did not offer restructuring.
I will NOT buy a word of the “cancer” retribution garbage until/unless someone official with the organization says it. Directly. That means Jerry Jones. That emphatically has not been the case.
They cut him because we are going to be a running team next year. It’s really that simple. That was the organization’s decision, and Jerry Jones’ decision for the team next year.
I personally believe that this is now a passing league and a 90s-type Cowboys balance will not work long term. But they are seemingly aiming towards that. I know that my opinion won’t be popular around here, but I believe it. A team has to pass more than run to be successful. Thus I disagree with the direction of the offense, and I disagree with the projection of TOs potential production. Thus I disagree with cutting him.
They may win next year, but the defense has got to be much more stiff at critical times, and the running game has to be consistently producing yards. At the moment we don’t have either. We have a big play Felix, a guy looking to hit people and move east-west rather than move the ball north-south in Barber, and the only possibly steady RB is Choice.
If we continue with a pass-heavy offense without TO’s production, we will be hamstrung for the big play receiver that draws extra coverage on every play.
We’ll see how it works out.
+1 It's either all or nothing with T.O.
Play him or cut him. Suspension or discipline won’t work with his ego. That drama in Philly may be second to none.
by Boundforbeach on Mar 9, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
They didn't even try. Not even a hint of discipline.
For all 3 years. Don’t you think a quiet word from Jerry about being dissapointed would have put a bug in TOs ear, had they felt he was a discipline problem?
I can live with bike helmets, and whining for the ball for the production he could bring. If he was being divisive to the team, they should have dealt with it internally.
I will NOT believe that was what this was about until/unless Jerry says otherwise, regardless of “unnamed sources”. Discipline is not unnamed or shady. Discipline is handled quietly, in house and nobody knows about it, or is handled quite publicly and there is zero question about it.
If someone was pulling strings to try to get him cut behind the scenes, because they couldn’t get along with TO, then they were in the wrong. But Jerry would have to be persuaded by production issues and offensive strategy, not personnel interaction.
Maybe they did disipline him quietly. If its as quiet as you say you wouldnt know till they cut him.
Guess what, they cut him.
cutting is public discipline
if he had been quietly disciplined, I think there would be some indicators, and if a cut happened for discipline reasons, they would reference it “just not working out” with him. It would also be more acrimonious. It wasn’t, and Jerry said something very different. He claimed the team is basically “going in another direction”. That means a major, serious change in offensive philosphy that no longer requires a big-time receiver with game-changing and -breaking abilities at number 1. Roy may turn out to be good, maybe even worth being a number 1, but he is not the game-breaker that TO is. He is not a threat to take it to the house whenever like TO. He won’t get too many 50+ yard receptions, I would be willing to bet.
I believe he chose to go in another direction because
the game changing big time WR skills were diminishing and his antics and the inability to disipline him were splitting the lockerroom in 2. Im not worried about RW numbers or finding the next TO. I want a cohesive O with the ability to score points and win when it gets cold. I want the QB to go to the line of scrimmage without an agenda to keep player A happy. I want to take what the other teams give us AND NOT force x number of balls to player A. I want WRs who run the route the exact same way every play. I want a 10 yard out to be 10 yards, not 8 and not 12. I want players who say its my fault and take the blame not guys who point fingers.
TO was brought to win in Dec and Jan. It didnt work out.
.Yeah Andy Reid disiplined him. How did that work out.
That is highly simplistic. Both sides highly mismanaged that situation, more Eagles and McNabb than TO.
I have no problem saying that TO flaps his gums too much, but that means they should handle it much differently, and with several steps in the disciplinary process.
I wonder how that would go over if it were applied to you at your place of work
Do you think someone should be fired for a first offense? Should no one try to encourage you to change first? And before you say it wasn’t a “first offense” situation due to Philly and SF, TO had acted right for two years when he got here, he also also had a tremendous work ethic, and had earned some benefit of the doubt.
If you have a policy of being written up if you are absent 3 times in 90 days, do you think it would be fair if you were absent one time, and then got written up because of two absences in 90 days 2 years ago?
There ARE rules in place governing how discipline actions are taken by a team.
If I am disrupting my work place and have a history of insubordination then yoou dam right.
He wasnt let go because he slept in meetings or was late for the plane. He was letr go because he didnt get the job done he was paid to get done. Now his skills are diminishing and he is hurting the team. Thats a little more serious than late for work. You can do better than that.
it was an example of stepped disclipline
he got the job done that he was paid to get done, to the best his abilities and circumstances will allow. As for forcing balls to him, he was the only receiver worth throwing to in a big time passing game with game breaking skills. Only Witten approached his level, and Jason got plenty of looks, too. Everyone else was an afterthought because they weren’t trusted much to move the ball down the field consistently. Should they have been? Well that is yet to be seen. Now the philosophy is changing, and they don’t need a TO’s skills anymore, so they cut him, going with a possession WR as the number 1, I suppose in an effort to get back to a 90s look.
At any rate, I want to be through with this topic, at least for now. Suffice to say I do not believe he was let go as a form of punishment. Until Jerry says otherwise, that is what I’ll believe.
I dont believe he was let go as a punishment either. Is it really punishing a guy when he walks out the door and picks up another 6 million.
I believe he was let go for the developement of Romo and the young WRs. I think calling out his coaches and a developing riff in the locker room. Im on record as saying if he hadnt already been here and became available, I would want him. I just think he has a short shelf life on a team. Dungy said it best. TO is someone you date and not marry.
Running game
I believe we have the best talent in the entire NFL at the RB position. I dont agree with your opinion on Barber, he might not be the best at hitting the hole but he gets you the three extra yards after contact. Our RB’s are all great I believe, O-line has to be better at creating the holes.
That's the truth...
I honestly think this team will live and die by its O-line this year.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
This team has
always lived and died by the O-line. Sometimes the backs have made them look better than they are, but no one can make them look good if they flat out stink.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
And they do stink!!!
How many times does Flozell Adams kills drives because of his absurd false starts, how about Gurode and the shotgun snaps???…..just plain basic stuff they have to know and they’re both “pro-bowlers”…..they stink.
This might be lame...
but Cory Proctor DID have a huge influence on this line.
I mean, it can’t be a huge coincidence that when he wasn’t playing Dallas was very effective. When he did play, it seemed like the left side of the line went to crapoloa.
“They stink”… well thats a little much.
Flozell was playing with a dinged wing most of the year and Gurode didn’t play too bad.
The depth stinks.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
I don't think that was the only problem...
I think our O-line has not been dominant for years. I do not think Bledoe, BJ and all those QB’s we had between Aikman and Romo were really that bad….I think Romo and Barber make the current group look 1/2 decent because Romo is quick and Barber gets the yards after contact.
We have to somehow fix the O-line and the Secondary. We started good on the secondary getting rid of the thong and Henry. Let’s see what the replacements look like and how lomng it takes for them to get the job done on a consistent basis.
That is true to an extant.
But I also remember Flozell owning Osi in 07’. Romo makes them look better at times, but I don’t think the line is nearly as bad as you make it out to be.
And while Bledsoe wasn’t that bad… I think the rest of them were pretty bad. There were times that Brad Johnson had protection last year and was just aweful.
And the secondary would be helped out alot of Dallas’s turnovers were cut down.
There were far too many times they had to operate on a short field.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
I think so too
I think our oline is vastly overrated – they’ve never run blocked well, and aside from 07, they’ve rarely pass blocked well. And even then, I think Romo made them look a heck of a lot better than they are. This is the same line that looked godawful with bledsoe.
We need new blood. We ahave too many players making stupid plays starting on that side of the ball. Way too many long yardage situations. Way too many snaps over romos head/when nobodys paying attention/false starts/holding penalties etc.
Yep... "We'll see" is all you can really say at this point.
If RW can’t step up in a big way and the offense sputters, we’ll be rehashing this decision all next season. For all our collective sanity, here’s hoping the offense rebounds and we can all finally stop talking about T.O., something they STILL haven’t been able to do in Philly.
Why attitude is so important to team success. Say no to spoiled teenagers!
I hate to bring up Bill Parcells since he is the past but one thing that I was excited about when he was here in Dallas is that he wanted stand up guys. He would pass on players that had that “something special” on the field if they did not have the right attitude. Attitude first. If a player thinks that he is bigger than the team then the player wasn’t the right fit, period. A lot of these players come into the league with over inflated ego’s, especially if they have a lot of talent. They know it. They might not have had the best upbringing and were told how great they were in their short adult life by coaches, other players, fans and so forth. They are young and need leadership. They might not have had the right role models, if non at all. Think Pacman had the right role model to help him along? Getting rid of these types of players is the start. The cancer has already taken a hold of this team even though most of them are gone. There is doubt and dissention among the players as the last player (T.O.) was released. This team is not cohesive. The post above references this fact. These players are not men. They are spoiled teenagers. If they want more than a paycheck, want more than some bruises and hardknocks, they need to grow up. Keep the mouth shut to the media and play football. Drama is for high school, not the NFL.
by torchindefenses on Mar 9, 2009 11:47 AM CDT reply actions
Interesting quote by T.O. about this new team. Hidden truth about his last.
T.O. spoke about his new QB, to no surprise Trent Edwards and said that he is excited to play with him. One comment that really caught my attention was that he mentioned that their offensive line play is excellent. Just look at how many times Edwards was sacked last year. If Edwards has time to throw, us receivers will be open.
Hmmmm…. he was yelling at the offensive line a lot at the end of the year and I think this comment references at how frustrated he was at Dallas’ offensive line.
by torchindefenses on Mar 9, 2009 11:52 AM CDT reply actions
Was he wrong?
Our O-line sucked last year. They have sucked for a long time and Romo has covered their flaws. I do not believe Bledsoe was as bad as he looked and Brad Johnson wasn’t either. Tony Romo is a beast at eluding free rushers, BJ and Bledsoe were not.
T.O. might be an a$$ because he doesnt know how to address the issues, but he’s right about the issues themselves.
btw...Brad Johnson IS as bad as he looked...c'mon guy...
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 9, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I dont think he's as bad....
His game isn’t the same as Romo’s…..he will give you the 7 – 8 yards completions given 3 – 4 seconds which got him to the SB (can you name 2 receivers from the Tampa team that got there? I can’t). It makes a helluva difference when you have to get rid of the ball before you know what your receiver is doing than when you have tiome to go back and settle.
He still had a stronger, and more accurate are when he went to the SB
He had a stronger arm 2 years ago, when had a nice late seaon win streak with Minnesotta
by AustonianAggie on Mar 9, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
In 07...
They didn’t suck that bad.
I think you’re overexaggerating quite a bit.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
You sir
win the prize! That is exactly T.O’s problem. If people were willing to look at some of things he saiid objectively, he was right on the money. He just shouldn’t have said them where and when he did.
True that.
I’ve agreed with a TON of things Owens has said, but often just because it’s true doesn’t mean you should say it.
There are certain forums to air certain issues out in football just like every other job.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
Did Gurode
get up in TO’s face every time he dropped a pass or gave up on a route?
Yep, the OL play needs to improve. Hell, the whole team could stand to improve. Owens did a lot to improve this team when he cleaned out his locker.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
I remember that.
I remember him getting after Gurode once. Maybe Tony should have been more pro-active in that approach instead of leaving it to TO
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
I saw Romo on several occasions blasting the linemen...but it never made the BSPN hightlight reels..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 10, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Really??
You’d think it would have been shown once. I guess it didn’t fit with their Romo just doesn’t care mantra.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
he did it on the field, didn't get much notice..
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 15, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I guess if he'd done it during the post game PC
that would have got their attention. Then they could take the opportunity to tear another Cowboy apart.
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
Greg Ellis...
Great post…Greg Ellis is really starting to chap my hide btw…his comment from last week regarding T.O. :
“It could make us an instantaneously better football team. But do I think that that will happen? I really don’t.”
This guy needs to learn to shut up in the worst way. It may be time for this guy to go…
I have noticed a new resurgence in Cowboy hating in 2007, which can only mean one thing- We're back.
I for one was extremely frustrated by the Offensive Line all year
Once Kyle went down, so did the season. Tony’s legs are the reason the offensive line received good marks in 2007. 2008, Tony wasn’t scrambling as much and it showed. We need to draft some new blood, this year.
by torchindefenses on Mar 9, 2009 12:15 PM CDT reply actions
Yep...
Depth is a huge issue.
Which is why O-line is priority in the draft.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
agree 100%
Our offensive line is average, no better…we really need to draft some free agents to push for playing time and provide depth here.
I have noticed a new resurgence in Cowboy hating in 2007, which can only mean one thing- We're back.
Tra Thomas Left Philly
and so did Brian Dawkins. I think Philly is going to have trouble at their LT all year. I may be over-estimating those two players, but I think those two did a lot for that franchise. I don’t see philly adequately replacing either of them.
Tra Thomas is basically as good as Flozel Adams, and Brian Dawkins as good as Darren Woodson. Cowboys have tanked upon losing players like that
Now, no do-it-all safety will be directing the DBs. Now, the most important blocker on Philly’s OL is a question mark
They also lost
Lito Sheppard for what ever that’s worth. The Jets must think he is pretty good.
haha
Aaaaah your the man Royce.. when everything gets too serious.
Webster's definition of irony: Keyshawn Johnson calling another football player selfish.
Damn everybody's right
even royce. The philly comment is awsome. A better oline was definately on the list of needs, But now its essential.
They do own two 1st rounders...expect them to select a top OT if there...
Oher, Beatty, and Britton will be high on their list…and if Bama’s Smith drops, they’ll move up to get him…
by CowboysRnumba1 on Mar 10, 2009 11:43 AM CDT reply actions

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