Draft '09: Wheeling & Dealing in the NFC East?
This week the draft fun should begin, and the early story on draft '09 is trades. We're used to seeing teams trade up from the 2nd for futures picks, but this year we're seeing teams flip first rounders for veteran players. Thus far, the Cowboys have flipped their top pick for Roy Williams and the Bears have shipped their first -- and next year's as well -- for Jay Cutler.
Today, Mike Lombardi writes that several more veterans are on the block and are already attracting first round offers. What's more, the trade partners could be NFC rivals.
- Lombardi claims the Browns are dangling QB Brady Quinn and already have a first round offer in hand;
- Cleveland is also shopping WR Braylon Edwards and has a first round offer in hand for him as well;
- Buffalo is shopping LT Jason Peters, and the Eagles are thinking hard about obtaining him.
Let's look at the last two possible trades in detail. I saw rumors a few weeks ago, which has since died, down, that the Giants are interested in acquiring Edwards. Remember, the Giants have let Amani Toomer go and cut Plaxico Burress last week. Those were their starting wideouts last year. They're picking low in the first. I suspect they might be that unnamed party in the Edwards sweepstakes.
Let's look at the possible Peters-to-Philly deal as well. The Eagles offense has been anchored by four players this decade -- QB Donovan McNabb, RB Brian Westbrook and OTs Tra Thomas and Jon Runyan.
Age has finally caught up to that group. Westbrook can no longer practice much during game weeks, because of bad knees. The Eagles let Thomas leave and are waiting to see how Runyan rehabs from knee surgery before they consider a one-year deal.
In short, the Eagles line is a huge question mark. They have an excellent line coach in Juan Castillo, but we saw two years ago that even he could not help a bust like Winston Justice defend against a top rusher like Osi Umenyiora.
The Eagles are in an almost identical spot as Dallas was last year -- they own the 21st and 28th picks. (Dallas had the 22nd and 28th last year.) If they can get a quality, young LT like Peters and can obtain a young RB, they've taken a giant step towards rearming on the fly.
In other words, don't expect the East to get any easier.
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It really sucks when the hated enemy has 2 first rounders.
Because of this they will get no less than a B and many As on all of their draft grades. I realize that draft grades mean absolutely nothing but I just dont want to hear during the 3 months of no football/draft, about how much the Eagles have improved thier team. It will happen and it will annoy me.
by squidlo97 on Apr 12, 2009 11:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
they always get good grades, whether their drafts or good or bad
why worry about it
by Rafael Vela on Apr 12, 2009 11:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Very true, but because of the lull after the draft thats about the only stuff to read besides here.
Im sure the TO/Romo/BP/Jerry the GM debates will continue.(uuhhggg!)
by squidlo97 on Apr 12, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peters
Would be a huge pickup for the Eagles. I would be extremely jealous.
I’m not too worried about Braylon Edwards, although if he ever decides to concentrate on football, he could be dangerous. I’m much more worried about a guy like Percy Harvin or even Crabtree falling into the hands of Jerry Reese.
by DoomsdayD75 on Apr 12, 2009 11:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't
Jason Peters didn’t deserved his Pro Bowl invite last year, as a matter of fact he was one of the worst OTs in the League…. 13 games played and started, 11.5 sacks and 2 holding penalties? He went to the Pro Bowl for the same reason that Larry Allen kept going very late in his career, name recognition, not level of play.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
by Chandus on Apr 12, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He didn't
even show up to Buffalo until September. I’m sure if he spent an entire training camp with a team he’d be back to his pro bowl form.
I disagree about Allen though, he wasn’t as good as he was in his prime, but he was still a beast. Even in his last year with the 49ers he was a monster. Frank Gore ran behind him on every single play.
by DoomsdayD75 on Apr 12, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, yeah
He was capable of pushing a DT 5 yards off the line of scrimmage and LBs on the 2nd level would have fared much worse…. But we’re talking about 1 or 2 highligths of the whole game.
For every great play he would allow 2 or 3 plays, he just didn’t had it in him anymore. I used to talk to a 9er fan about how he wasn’t his old self anymore, he told me that he was still an upgrade on his team OLine. After his first season he agreed with me that his highlights were still pretty good, but rare.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
by Chandus on Apr 12, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Peters didn't show up last year
partly because of a contract dispute.
But he was excellent in ‘07, he’s young and if you put him on a winning team with a good
OL coach, chances are very good the old Peters comes back.
And the ’07 Peters would solidify the Eagles blind side for a long time.
by Rafael Vela on Apr 12, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling that Washington will trade for Brady Quinn and ship Campbell off to TB or somewhare
by dcfanz on Apr 12, 2009 12:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that
would be great news for us. Campbell is a much better QB than Quinn IMO.
by DoomsdayD75 on Apr 12, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...
See, I disagree about Quinn. I think he’ll end up being pretty good for some reason.
by KaceOFbass on Apr 12, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We haven't really seen much of Quinn...
…but the Browns, who see him every day, apparently have very limited confidence in him. Derek Anderson is not much of a prize, and yet Quinn has been unable to unseat him as the starter, and the Browns have chosen to deal Quinn, not Anderson. So that doesn’t speak well for Quinn, to me. Maybe he’ll be rejuvenated with a different coaching staff, though, who knows.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Apr 13, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I though Quinn looked pretty accurate in the game he started last year (on MNF?).
He can throw on the run, too.
D.A. spent the year chucking balls into receivers’ feet. Dunno why they would be more apt to go with him than Quinn. Didn’t Mangini keep trying to supplant the veteran, Chad Pennington, in favor of a younger gun in Clemons?
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 13, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you Bigrigga...
I’m not all that impressed with Mangini to be honest with ya. I think Quinn could be very good if used properly. It’s almost like Mangini just wants to ditch a lot of their players.
by texstar on Apr 13, 2009 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
word is he loves Sanchez
and wants him over Quinn and Anderson.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 15, 2009 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but to get rid.....
of Edwards, Quinn, and Winslow is just crazy. Their problems last year were more on the defensive side of the ball from what I have heard. Mangini seems to be doing a good job of isolating himself from his team which is not a great way to start out as a new coach.
by texstar on Apr 15, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could be because of contract.
It might just be easier cap hit wise to get rid of Quinn
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by kameleon_o on Apr 16, 2009 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Im not against Quinn, I just think Campbell is better than serviceable. Has that guy ever had the same OC 2 years in a row since H.S.
by squidlo97 on Apr 12, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope, you're right.
Never.
"I see the door, I just get off on running through the wall." - Young Tripp
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Apr 12, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I call it a push..
I think they are both good be really good QB’s. I hope Washington doesn’t improve their WR core that is there biggest weakness.
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on Apr 12, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually think Quinn
Would be a huge downgrade.
He’s SUPER hesitant to throw it down field and lacks the mobility that Campbell has.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 12, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats what you get.
When a guy has played in 4 games, I think he has 2 career starts.
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
by Wmillion on Apr 12, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quinn
Why is Cleveland looking to dump him?
(Romo) still gets excited when he buys a new t-shirt at Target for crying out loud
by I_miss_Switzer on Apr 12, 2009 2:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I am Trying to Remember a WR
who made an impact his rookie year. Maybe Jerry Rice.Moss didn’t do bad.Most don’t contribute much untill the seasons end if that.
I heard that Detroit is going to try to sign thier choice before draft day.I don’t think anyone else wants to pay that price for the talent that’s there this year.
by TCB Orange Dino on Apr 12, 2009 2:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Moss kicked ass his rookie year.
I rode him to my fantasy league championship. Rice struggled a bit.
by squidlo97 on Apr 12, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boldin
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 12, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rumors up here in Detroit are
If they can’t get someone signed, they may let the clock run out and get the #2 or maybe even #3 pick.
by mhuff13 on Apr 12, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that doesnt work though
whoever they pick will still demand 1st pick money.. not only is missing your pick illegal but its just stupid.
What the French?! Toast!
by thebigham on Apr 12, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's Not Only Allowed ("Legal"?)
I remember it being been done before in the later rounds.
It’s not stupid, either, because if a team can get away with negotiating a lower rookie salary it works to their advantage.
It might be unscrupulous, but it’s neither illegal nor dumb.
by kindablue on Apr 12, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Minnesota did it a number of years ago
They ended up with Pat Williams.
by mhuff13 on Apr 12, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody knows how good a player will be
But Moss wasn’t the average WR superstar in college. He had dominated college football like no WR ever had before. The numbers he put up in his 3 years were amazing (granted 2 of the years Marshall was D-II, but everyone knew Moss was D-I talent that went D-II because of his trouble).
He’s quite possibly the greatest WR to ever play college football. He could have been the same in the NFL if he wasn’t well, Randy Moss…
by mhuff13 on Apr 12, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok ok
its not illegal but it defn is dumb. If it was such a good tactic why doesnt it happen every year. Can you imagine how lame the draft would be if every team started doing it too. If it became a trend i guarantee there would be some penalty for doing it.
What the French?! Toast!
by thebigham on Apr 13, 2009 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't put teams past doing this to prove a point with the CBA coming due
Because rookie salaries are out of control.
by mhuff13 on Apr 13, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not illegal
but if you let your pick slide a few spots then the player you end up picking, like what the Vikes did years back, will demand to be paid like the pick that was taken where he should have been taken. Caused more problems than it was worth.
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by kameleon_o on Apr 16, 2009 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Desean Jackson had like 975 yards last season.
I’d call that an impact.
"I see the door, I just get off on running through the wall." - Young Tripp
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Apr 12, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course it is Glory
But people need Randy Moss-type eye-popping numbers before they call it an ‘impact’.
Numbers are the most important thing to a lot of people.
by mhuff13 on Apr 12, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The young kid in Denver and St Louis looked really good.
Unfortunately the lists of guy bombing is longer.
The Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those willing to work and give to those who would not. Thomas Jefferson
by squidlo97 on Apr 12, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Eddie Royal.
Donny Avery looked great in some games, too. The Lambs just need some firepower at QB.
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 12, 2009 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moss had 17 or 18 TDs
I would consider that quite impactful.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Apr 13, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What happened to Stoproyce?
Where’d he go?
by falconPUNCH on Apr 12, 2009 11:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm right here. What's up? Happy Easter everyone. Just been in the shadows.
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
by stoproyce on Apr 12, 2009 11:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah! Stay on target...
Happy Easter. Kinda nervous on Miles.
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 13, 2009 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i've been meaning to ask you
if Rick Gosselin emailed you too, after you called him out for his article on safety size.
Just Curious. I posted on his article too.
by falconPUNCH on Apr 13, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any word on Miles?
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
by stoproyce on Apr 12, 2009 11:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes he did he threatened to sue me and sick his editors on me . he said something to the effect that he'd never even heard of the BSR or Raf and that he'd question his editors an how to proceed.
I just laughed at him and said go ahead and ask your editors what they think. They immediately linked to Rafs story and he never returned my e mail. I think my post on the DMN board was pretty bad i accused him of straight up plagiarism and called him a hack. I noticed your comment later on when i went back to see if mine had been scrubbed, it had. Sorry guys I am still trying to get my head around this draft so many possibilities especially if we lose miles for some reason . i just think where we are sitting there are possibly ten players we could take.And trying to guess at any possible trades up seems like an exercise in futility for me at this point. i just hope we do at least half as well as we did last year.
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
by stoproyce on Apr 13, 2009 10:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's awesome.
They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.
by AirforceBat on Apr 13, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crazy.
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 13, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a jerk
There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.
by kameleon_o on Apr 16, 2009 1:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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