Quincyyyyy's highly anticipated FINAL MOCK DRAFT!
by quincyyyyy on Apr 14, 2009 9:29 AM CDT
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Note: I didn't like the players that are rated around our 51st pick, so I traded down to the third round for a future pick, probably a second.
3a. CB/FS Sherrod Martin Trojan
One of the best cover safeties in the draft, and can play corner if need be. Martin is also willing contributor in the run game. He would be a great replacement for Hamlin if our front office believes Hamlin was a one year wonder.
3b. ILB Jasper Brinkley Gamecock
After his sophomore campaign Brinkley was considered a first day prospect, then he injured his knee. This off season it looks like he is back to his old self and in great shape.
4a. WR Jarrett Dillard Owl
Despite his lack of size and speed, Dillard has fantastic agility, route running, and jumping ability. If nothing else, he'll at least be a terror to deal with in the slot.
4b. NT/DE Chris Baker Pirate
Baker, a versatile 3-4 d-lineman, has the size and stout frame you would expect from an NT, but he also has the athleticism, explosiveness, and long arms you want in a DE.
4c. LT Joel Bell Paladin (trade two 5ths)
Bell is a big guy who can move and dominated at Furman, but because he played against lesser competition he should be available in the middle rounds.
5a. G Roger Allen Griffon (trade 6th and both 7ths)
Allen has great size and fantastic power and strength as he put up 38 reps on the bench. How poignant would it be to have a big powerful 'Allen' manning the LG position again.
5b. CB Don Carey Spartan
Carey is a small school talent, but has good measureables and production. He also has experience at both CB and safety.
6. OLB/pass rusher Phillip Hunt Cougar
May get dominated in the run game because of his lack of size and strength. He can, however, be a terror off the edge, as he racked up 14 sacks as a senior and 10 as a junior. He also has the athleticism to drop back into coverage.
Priority UDFA QB Drew Willy Buffalo
Even though he went to a small school, he dominated the competition as you would expect him to. He has decent arm strength but is pretty accurate and has great intangibles.
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Can't say much aginst this draft, I hardly know many of them, but...
Isn’t 1 of or 5th rd pick untradeable? Thanks for the research anyway I know it takes a while.
by bad knees on Apr 14, 2009 9:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Compensatory picks untradeable
Compensatory picks are awarded at the ends of rounds 3 – 7 and we have them at the end of rounds 5 and 6. Think about it, if you went to a casino, are they just going to GIVE you chips to win some more money without needing to pay it back? No, and its the same case here. They aren’t going to award a compensatory pick and let you shop it around to give to someone else. It just doesn’t make sense. And by the way, this isn’t my personal opinion, this is fact. Look it up. Compensatory picks are UNTRADABLE and non-negotiable.
by ProBowlFactory on Apr 14, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Marin is more of a CB than safety
but not a bad pick, however, hopefully there will be better prospects on the board at #51.
Interestingly no developmental qb.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 14, 2009 9:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think we could get one in UDFA in fact I'll add that in a second
by quincyyyyy on Apr 14, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just posted QB Drew Willy as our priority UDFA signing
and the fact that he may be a UDFA may make it easier to sneak him on the practice squad if need be.
by quincyyyyy on Apr 14, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Jason Boltus a an UDFA qb
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by Terry on Apr 14, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my bad, didn't see it wasn't at #51
that makes Martin a much better selection in the third rd.
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by Terry on Apr 14, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer rashad johnson as our fs but not bad....
not a big fan of dillard either…otherwise not bad
by scandrick32 on Apr 14, 2009 9:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dillard at 4a?
I would take Ramses Barden over any player around that point of the draft any day. He won’t go the first day but will be gone sometime in the 3rd or 4th round and we should trade to get him. Imagine having him on special teams for onside kicks while he develops as an NFL reciever. Another guy to catch those pooch kicks from folk.
by ProBowlFactory on Apr 14, 2009 10:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Espn Did a thing on Dillard
Hes one of the best recievers at a route running and catching standpoing in the draft. He just isnt very tall or fast.
I thank God everyday i wasnt born a Eagles fan!!!!!!
by regaberto on Apr 14, 2009 10:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good find on Roger Allen
I started reading up on him and am very impressed. Even played a little RT so he’s gotta have some decent mobility too for them to move him outside. He would be a late round steal.
Even if the Cowboy’s don’t draft him I’m gonna keep an eye on his career.
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by pretty ricky on Apr 14, 2009 11:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+10000
And I like hearing the name Allen at LG
by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 14, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
compensatory picks
i know compensatory picks are untradeable but i thought i heard that new england got a 2nd rd comp pick. i might be mistaken.
by maxdout on Apr 14, 2009 12:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
lmao...finally Quincyyy's Final Mock....
best one yet…..although I’m not a fan of old and fragile 3a) Martin, and better players will be there at the top of round 3…..satisfied with all other picks though…
by My_2_Cents on Apr 14, 2009 12:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Martin is a playmaker and a good tackler
he is 24 but I think Newman might have been a little older when we drafted him.
by quincyyyyy on Apr 14, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Newman was the best cb available
And was a top 5 pick so age wasnt as big of a factor. Martin isnt proven and a tweener between S/CB so i believe his age is a bigger factor in picking someone. Plus Sensi is 25 so its pointless to picksomeone the same age isnt it. when you woudl have the same amount of time to groom each player..
I thank God everyday i wasnt born a Eagles fan!!!!!!
by regaberto on Apr 14, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sensabaugh plays SS, different positions.
Furthermore, the fact that you are using a top 5 pick on a player means that age should be even more of a factor because you are investing so much more in the player. Martin is only a third rounder. Don’t really get that logic.
And the fact that he is a tweener makes him more desireable, because Wade is installing the “star” safety, which is a FS/CB hybrid position. So Martin is a very good fit for our system.
by quincyyyyy on Apr 14, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there is no denying his ability or if you wanna call it "maturity"......point is....He's nearly maxed out, and has limited upside, and has repeatedly gotten injured his entire college career...
Surgery on BOTH shoulders(red flag) especially if being called upon to be a FS in the NFL ( I see him as a slot CB in the nickle)….not a good thing for a man paid to use his shoulders to make a living..
He will be 25 years by the time next season starts, and his rookie contract would put him about 30 years old (similiar to Newman) and he’s surely no Terrence Newman……Players are drafted with an idealistic goal of getting two contracts out of them (while in their upward prime), or you revert to giving large and lengthy contracts to guys like Newman that stretch your commitment out to 35 yerars old…..not an economically sound model to follow….CB- DJMoore, CB/FS-Byrd, FS-Johnson, CB- Barnes, FS-Burton, SS-Vaugn, SS/FS Moore, SS-Chung are all younger players I’d select if available before Martin in the 60-70 early round #3 area…
by My_2_Cents on Apr 14, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had those surgeries almost 3 years ago
and almost 150 tackles later his shoulders are holding up just fine. That is not much of a concern to me.
And we are not looking for people to develop in the third round. We want someone who can contribute in the next 5 years to help us win a championship. Martin can help us do that the most out of all the guys you listed.
Furthermore, we already have a SS in Sensebaugh. We are in need of a FS, most importantly a FS that can cover, and Martin is that guy.
by quincyyyyy on Apr 14, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure I threw a few FS (Moore, Byrd, Johnson) prospects into that list of mine....
and all are rated by experts higher than your guy….your right ? or are they wrong ?
We want someone who can contribute in the next 5 years to help us win a championship. Martin can help us do that the most out of all the guys you listed.
hmmm……all the guys I listed will take 5 or more years to contribute ? heck, I might as well give up on this prospect evaluation job thingy I got going then, cuz all the experts must be wrong, otherwise none would be listed among the top 75 prospects then, if they felt they had no chance of developing within 5 years…..
we already have a SS in Sensebaugh. We are in need of a FS, most importantly
hmmm….Let’s see…recently released – SS-Sensabaugh signed to a minimal one year deal with absolutely NOBODY on the depth chart behind him at SS, hmm….hope he don’t get hurt..
or a recently signed to a multi year deal by 27 year old- Pro Bowl FS-Ken Hamlin , with veterans Patrick Watkins, and Courtney Brown as adequate depth…….
Yeah…I could see this big “preceived need” for a starting caliber FS over a SS for which the starter has never played in this system and will go to the highest bidder next season…makes sense….I hear ya…..
NOT
by My_2_Cents on Apr 14, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moore will be a SS at the next level
And we will probably give Senesebaugh a bigger contract after this year if he continues to play well as he did last year for Jacksonville. So I expect Sensebaugh to be our SS far into the foreseeable future.
Morever, Hamlin is a one year wonder, and was pretty underwhelming last season. Given that we are going into an uncapped year, it will be really really easy to cut him if he continues his poor play.
Furthermore, If my memory serves me correctly we moved Watkins to SS last year. And Brown is hanging onto a roster spot by the skin of his teeth. As I see it right now our FS position is anything but settled, and the best safety on our roster right now is a SS (sensebaugh).
Try again…
by quincyyyyy on Apr 14, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
let's see...Jacksonville let him go freely for what reason again ?
And we will probably give Senesebaugh a bigger contract after this year if he continues to play well as he did last year for Jacksonville. So I expect Sensebaugh to be our SS far into the foreseeable future.
I imagine he won’t want to test the free agency market with no salary cap restraints in place before signing up here in Dallas ???….hmm…unlikely.
we moved Watkins to SS last year
- ole chicken neck himself at SS huh ?…That spots up for grabs for sure…
by My_2_Cents on Apr 14, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The spot is not up for grabs because Sensebaugh has it
The only spot up for grabs is the FS position if Hamlin continues his uninspired play from last year, which is likely.
And there are very very very owners in this league who would be willing to dish out more cash than Jerry. Snyder may be the only one, but they have Horton. So I’m not scared in the least that we wouldn’t be able to resign him next year.
by quincyyyyy on Apr 14, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
huh ? ...please follow along.....I said the back up SS position is wide open and for the taking...With Patrick Watkins being your supposed back up SS, MOST definately makes back up SS a dire NEED...
more so than a FS spot that is locked up for the next 4+ years in Ken Hamlin…although a back up at FS is also needed…and I have never denied that, and even agree your Martin pick would be a fine tweener CB/nickle/FS canidate, I would just select a better player at the top of round 3 is all….there will be plenty…trust…………your getting your panties in a wad trying to defend your mock(and first selection) that I’ve already commended you on for being your very best one yet, out of the upteenth million you’ve posted over the past few months…..Instead of getting in a pissing match, say your welcome and more on……..The fact that mocking is merely a game of guess work…, and you have no idea at all who they are/we’re going to /trade/draft down, nor do you know what position we’re even interested in….so to get all worked up defending your beat up/skinny legged/no assed/ old bastard of a DB you chosen to be out savior in the secondary………you might wanna just chill , a deep breath, and relax…..not everybody is going to agree with your assessment of a player………nor are you going to convince someone who doesn’t………
by My_2_Cents on Apr 14, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well thanks for the compliment but
I still won’t back out of a good natured argument. I’m stubborn like that.
Anyhow you said:
although a back up at FS is also needed
right so we both think there are depth issues at both safety positions. Difference is you think Hamlin is a long term solution, and I don’t. And I think Sensebaugh is a long term solution, and you don’t.
Also don’t be so surprised if Keith Davis comes crawling back, which would provide us more depth at SS.
by quincyyyyy on Apr 14, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah see....Hamlin is in a multi year GUARANTEED contract...as opposed to a recently cut malcontent of a SS-Sensabaugh inked to a one year tender deal playing his azz off to get mega million deal.(which is exactly what we should have done with Hamlin)..
Hamlin was signed to be a long term deal and is considered a very good QB…so don’t go pinning last years regression onto a make or break for him this upcoming season..he’s not going anywhere…either way were are drafting for a reserve DB……not need ot get all worked up…It’s either gonna be a guy like Johnson, Byrd or Martin, and a SS prospect like Hamlin,Vaughn, Moore, Burton, Greene, Wiley…..I’ve always contended that we’ll grab possibly a SS physical coverage type, and a hybrid coverage type CB/DB/FS
by My_2_Cents on Apr 14, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And my point with Martin is his maturity makes him less of a project than
most players in the draft.
by quincyyyyy on Apr 14, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say
Dont take someone with his age unless you know what your getting, Your taking a 25 year old tweener over other prospects at 21 years old and 22 your losing out on 3 years of devolepment.. do you really believe hes better now then Johnson or Moore with 3 years of development? And with newman we have a top 5 corner in the leauge you think Martin is gonna be a top 5 Saftey
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by regaberto on Apr 14, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Martin is a better cover safety than both Johnson and Moore
And Moore will probably be a SS at the next level anyhow. Also Martin is 24 not 25.
Moreover, I think Martin fits our system, and is very versatile. I do think he has a lot of potential, and will at least give our club at least 5 good years of play. Heck if you look at Ed Reed he just had one of his best seasons with 9 ints and he is 30. So the fact that some other prospects are 2 years younger is not such a big deal to me.
by quincyyyyy on Apr 14, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyhow lets look at the safeties that the Cowboys have brought into for private workouts
QB: Stephen McGee, Chase Daniel, Tom Brandstater
DB: Mike Hamlin, Louis Delmas, Darcel McBath, Jarius Byrd, Bradley Fletcher
LB: Lawrence Sidbury, Jason Williams
TE: Anthony Hill, James Casey
WR: Patrick Turner
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2009/4/3/821037/cowboys-set-some-pre-draft-visits
All of those look like FS’s and FS/CB tweeners except for Michael Hamlin. Maybe you should tell Jerry he doesn’t know what he is talking about.
by quincyyyyy on Apr 14, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
everyone of those DB's I'd take over Martin...what's your point ?
(maybe you shouldn’t look too deeply into who they bring in for visits) it’s called a likely smoke screen….and you’ve been puffin’ a bit too much it seems…
by My_2_Cents on Apr 14, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually players that teams bring in for visits are players they are genuinely interested in
you are only allowed to bring in so many players per year. And if memory serves me correctly we brought in Choice, Tellus, and Jones from last year. And I know for a fact we brought in Spencer a week or two before the draft.
by quincyyyyy on Apr 14, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok....we are allowed 30 outside visits...btw...not including draft-eligible players within 100 miles of franchise HQ's...
btw…..Where is your boy Sherrod Martins’ name on that list of prospects we’re interested in drafting, and bringing in for team visits ??
Have you forgotten we’ve also had visits with SS’s-William Moore, Chip Vaughn, and Pat Chung ?
by My_2_Cents on Apr 14, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We had visits with Chip Vaugh and Patrick Chung?
this is the first I have heard of this. Do you care to provide a link?
And my point was the players we are looking at our FS’s and FS/CB hybrids. Martin fits that mold. So your contention that we don’t need a FS is unfounded and incorrect.
by quincyyyyy on Apr 14, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey....once again..and I'm done trying to beat my skull against a wall explaining....
I NEVER said we don’t need a FS prospect…In fact, every mock I’ve posted had us taking a FS canidate within the the first 4 rounds…..In fact, my final mock will most likely include a FS prior to round 4……so don’t get it all twisted…..I just don’t agree with your selection at the very top of round 3……….get over it…
by My_2_Cents on Apr 14, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quicyyy....Great mock...
I’m not sold on Martin but all the other picks are great.
by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 14, 2009 1:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...that Phillip Hunts Cougars guy had some pretty good numbers.
1 more sack than Nick Reed. This would be a nice, well-rounded draft—Oline’s covered, defensive holes are filled and still got a WR in there. Can that Dillard guy return punts?
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 14, 2009 1:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hunt looks in the mold of James Harrison...
Short and compact but has a nose for the Qb
by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 14, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty good Quincy
Although I really don’t want Chris Baker to be the NT that Dallas takes. Just have a feeling he’ll be undependable.
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by APerfectStar on Apr 14, 2009 1:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He did get into a couple of scuffles at Penn state
but it seems like he has made a genuine effort to reform himself. Draft bible has a good interview with him.
http://www.nfldraftbible.com/Draft-Bible-Q-A/chris_baker_interview.html
In the fourth round those are the kind of prospects you bet on.
by quincyyyyy on Apr 14, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and he is over 320 pounds and can run
a sub 5 second forty
by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 14, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the more impressive number is his vertical, 35.5
he must have pretty explosive legs to launch 325 pounds that high in the air.
by quincyyyyy on Apr 14, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Baker
but he won’t be there past 4a.
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by 5Blings on Apr 14, 2009 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how many roster spots are really open?...
and does drafting drafting projects really help us if they are going to have to “hopefully” kept on the practice squad due to our over all depth?
i have to think that jerrah will be making a lot of deals because there is no way all the guys we draft make it to the practice squad and even less so make the 54 man roster…
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by ivysafety39 on Apr 14, 2009 3:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We'll end up with about 7-8 drafted prospects by the end of the draft...There are several roster spots up for grabs...
RD_
2-OL,DB
3-DB,LB
3-LB,OL
4-OL,DL
4-DB,WR
4-DL,DB
5-LB,QB
6-QB,OL
OL prospect has great chance to stick back up, as we need OT , OG, and OC…
same with 2nd-weakILB, 2nd-strongILB, or 3rd-4th w/sOLB,,…
a 2nd -SS,
a 4th-5th -CB,
2nd-3rd -FS,
and 2nd-3rd NT,
and possible 4th-5th DE
maybe a 3rd QB
possible 3rd TE
maybe a 1st-2nd FB
by My_2_Cents on Apr 14, 2009 3:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Another OT I like is
Gerald Cadogan. He has the speed and the strength to play LT just needs some coaching. He bounces more than slides, those types of things are what keeping him as a 3-4th rounder. Also only had one good year (last year). So him or Bell would be good
by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 14, 2009 4:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Quincy and 2_Cents conversation
Quincy, I think that you’re overrating Sensabaugh and underrating Hamlin. One of the main reasons why the passing Defense was kind of good last year was because Hamlin did a really good job on an island back there, especially in the Nickel and Dime Ds.
But in the end I think that you’re right in your value observations of Sherrod Martin, in the Nickel and Dime schemes Wade had just one true Safety in Hamlin and used a bunch of CBs and Henry in a CB/S/LB kind of role, but couldn’t use it more due to injuries at CB… I believe that he wants that scheme on the field more often and that’s why Martin is indeed a nice pick.
And finally is Sherrod Martin a reach high in the 3rd Round? NO. He’s a legit CB and CBs go higher than expected.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
by Chandus on Apr 14, 2009 5:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He is not a top 65 prospect IMO...and in the opinion of every internet draft site on the web.......
I like Martin, never doubted his abilities, just his age/injury/slight build/and small hands, and I give him a relatively high third/late 3rd 70-90 grade…….I just know for a fact a higher rated Safety or OL will be there..
I would take FS-Delmas, SS-W Moore, FS-S Smith, FS- J Byrd, SS- C Vaughn, and SS- P Chung over him if still available..
I do believe Sherrod Martin will be better than FS-Rashad Johnson though.
.IF he had made Sherrod Martin his second pick/ #69 overall..I probably wouldn’ even had said a thing……Heck, I applauded him for his overall mock, and I’d be ok with it as is now with Martin being the first pick, just pointing out there will be better players available IF we were to indeed trade out of 51 down to a top 3rd rounder….
btw…if your going to classify him and use him as a “legit CB”, I would then add Maryland’s CB-Barnes over him as well, and Vandy’s DJ Moore if still around, and possibly Cincy’s Mickens…and I’d probably rate Macho Harris a better overall CB/FS value later in round 3…we can go on and on with this..
by My_2_Cents on Apr 14, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its a Third round pick
He made a trade because he said he didnt like anybody at 51 and went at got martin in the early 3rd.
I thank God everyday i wasnt born a Eagles fan!!!!!!
by regaberto on Apr 14, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Delmas is there at 51 I'd take him
I just don’t think he will be.
And Macho is a little slow. He is strictly cover two corner.
by quincyyyyy on Apr 14, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually Macho most certainly will switch to/ or drafted as a FS in the NFL
straightline speed being the reason he won’t be a CB…and is better playing off the line in a 2 deep zone with the play in front of him…
by My_2_Cents on Apr 14, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummm... He isn't a top 65 prospect....
There’s a consensus among most draft analysts that put him in the 70-80 range…. And close to everyone has him as a rising prospect.
That means that if he’s selected before, those analysts will claim that they had that arrow pointing up on him… And it isn’t as if a 10 pick reach is that much of a reach….
BTW, I would take Martin over all the CB prospects that you mentioned, because he has that little thing called experience playing Safety…. And he has size…. Probably unimportant aspects for you….
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
by Chandus on Apr 14, 2009 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
You would take a CB over other CB’s because they also played safety?
Wouldn’t you just take the better press CB and call it a day?
Explain please…
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by 5Blings on Apr 14, 2009 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at my comment at 3:38PM
Dallas has a need at CB. They also have a need at the Nickel and Dime CB/LB/FS that Henry played last year.
Martin is athletic enough to handle a CB role. He’s though enough, and experienced, to handle a FS role. He’s perfect for what the team wanted to do with Henry last year.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
by Chandus on Apr 15, 2009 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do you think
of T.J.Lang in the 4th or A.J. Shipley at centre later?
by oldboysfan on Apr 14, 2009 7:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I like A.J. Shipley
I’ve been putting together my next mock and he’s on it. He’s strong, got good size (304 lbs. but is only 6-1 so he’s compact), and played for a very productive running team the last two years. Very good short shuttle at 4.4 which is what I look for in linemen. Plus, he can be had in the 5th round.
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by kameleon_o on Apr 14, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Short arms on AQ
But he was a really good college center
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by APerfectStar on Apr 14, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He reminds me of Josh Beekman
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Apr 14, 2009 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are good players
A.Q. Shipley is underrated I think.
by quincyyyyy on Apr 14, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeh
Thought maybe if Shipley did well we could move Gurode to LG and be set there for a while, But I checked further on this Roger Allen and he sounds like a real player. Being from a small school he may be available in the 5th or 6th. Shipley’s size makes it difficult to project how high he’ll go.
by oldboysfan on Apr 14, 2009 8:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ugh lets keep Gurode where he is
Parcells tried to move Gurode to guard, and that didn’t turn out so well.
by quincyyyyy on Apr 14, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, maybe when he was in his first year or so..I believe he's developed quite a bit since old lard ass had his way with him..
and would be better served at LG, and bring more balance, as it’s quite obvious the right side is the only side we can run behind..
by My_2_Cents on Apr 14, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want someone smarter at center ...
so the proper line calls can be made. Kosier was Gurode’s crutch and Gurode took a hit when Kosier was injured. I agree with 2cents that Gurode should be better at guard now that he’s got his football legs under him.
by GalTex on Apr 15, 2009 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The smartest player in the entire draft is OC- Alex Mack - California..........my personal favorite and would trade up to select him if possible
The Draddy winner as best scholar athlete in the country..
http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/c/Alex-Mack.php.
by My_2_Cents on Apr 15, 2009 2:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I really can't see him getting past Steelers
and I highly doubt Jerry is going to trade up into the first rd
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Apr 15, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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