My 7 Round Mock Draft
by TCBinNYC on Apr 20, 2009 3:10 PM CDT
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I represented the Cowboys in a mock draft on another website. This was a pick-by-pick, 7 round, 256 pick mock draft with fan from each team representing their squad in the draft. I think for the most part it went down like I see the actual draft going. The only difference is there were no trades allowed during the draft. All trades must be made prior to the draft and Dallas did pull off one trade:
I received Cleveland's pick #101 for my #117, 156 and 227. Pick #227 isnt worth much at the end of the 7th round, so I basically gave up a late 5th rounder to move from the middle of the 4th round to the top of the 4th.
Here's the results:
Pick #51 OG Duke Robinson, Oklahoma. I love this pick. I've seen this guy play a ton of times and I think he will be a Pro Bowler at the next level. Some have questioned his work ethic and ability to keep his weight in check, but I think a strong NFL program can harness his abilities. At 6-5, 330 lbs this kid is a mauler.
I wasnt targeting anyone at this position and wanted to take the best football player available. I considered every position with the exception of RB and TE where I think Dallas is set.
Who was there? SS William Moore, NT Ron Brace, DE Alex Magee, SS Patrick Chung, FS Rashad Johnson.
Who wasnt? C Alex Mack, CB Sean Smith, OLB Larry English, OT Jamon Meredith, CB Victor Harris, OT Phil Loadholt, SS Louis Delmas, WR Brian Robiskie.
Pick #69 FS Rashad Johnson, Alabama. Seems like a solid contributor like a Ken Hamlin. Probably wont ever be a superstar, but should be able to hold down a starting Safety job in the NFL for 5+ years.
After taking what I consider a luxury pick in Round 2, I wanted to zero-in on a position of need. If trades were allowed I probably would have looked into trading up to try and get NT Ron Brace. After he was picked at #60 I really wanted Patrick Chung. Looked like it would happen and then Seattle took him at #68.
Who was there? NT Dorrell Scott, CB Sherrod Martin, ILB Jasper Brinkley, CB Mike Mickens.
Who wasnt? Brace, Chung, Moore, Magee.
Pick #101 ILB Jasper Brinkley South Carolina. Hits like a freight train and perfect fit for ILB in a 3-4. He's shooting up draft boards. I've seen many mocks projecting him as a 5th or 6th rounder, but he will never last that long.
Pick #104 CB Coye Francies San Jose State. Good height, speed and is physical. Has experience in the return game as well. Negatives are only two years of college experience as he was kicked off the Oregon St team and transferred to San Jose St.
I was hoping to find my Defensive Lineman with one of these two picks. It didnt happen as Defensive Tackles and Ends kept flying off the board earlier than I thought they should.
Who was there? ILB Darry Beckwith, OLB David Veikune, WR Jarrett Dillard, QB Rhett Bomar, OLB Tyronne McKenzie, DE Vance Walker, CB Kevin Barnes.
Who wasnt? Martin, WR Derrick Williams, NT Chris Baker, FS Darcel McBath.
Pick #166 ILB Jason Phillips TCU. I didnt intend to pick two ILBs, but he was the best player available, IMO. I see him as a solid NFL back-up for 10 years. Can play some special teams and fill-in for injured LBs.
Pick #172 WR Brooks Foster North Carolina. Played in the shadow of first rounder Hakeen Nicks and early rounder Brandon Tate. Foster is a bit raw, but great size and speed and a great athlete (played some basketball for the Tar Heels.) Could be a great return man too.
Who was there? CB LaDarius Webb, FS Chris Clemons, OT Alex Boone.
Who wasnt? WR Brandon Tate, NT Terrence Taylor, QB Stephen McGee, OT Joel Bell, WR Austin Collie, WR Quan Cosby, CB Joe Burnett, WR Johhny Knox.
Pick #197 CB Captain Munnerlyn South Carolina. Besides having a cool name, he has some game too. Great speed and plays tough. Good return man as well. The downside is his size at 5'8, but could be a solid special teamer and nickle/dimeback.
Pick #208 CB Greg Toler St Paul's. Not much known about this guy as no one has ever been drafted into the NFL from this school. However, some scouts/websites are very high on him. One had him in the Top 100 players in the darft. Others don't even have him listed. He's visited at least 17 NFL teams, so they know him. With 4.35 speed, look for him to go much higher in the actual draft.
Pick #210 G/T Robert Brewster Ball State. Good size at 6-4, 325 lbs. Played all 4 years in college and never missed a game. Should provide depth at Guard and Tackle.
Who was there? QBs Curtis Painter, Nate Davis, Tom Brandstater and Graham Harrell. WR Kevin Ogletree, CB Brandon Hughes, S Derek Pegues.
Who wasnt? OG Louis Vazquez, NT Terrence Knighton, OG Roger Allen.
Overall I was pleased with the results. No one really 'fell' too far into my hands with the possible exception of Duke in the 2nd. I also really liked the value in Jason Phillips at the end of the 5th round. I ended up doubling up at ILB and picked 3 CBs. Those were not intentional, but I felt were the best value as opposed to reaching for a D Lineman or OLB a half a round early. I did not get a chance to address either of those positions as I never felt the available players matched the value of the pick. That strategy (staying with your board and not reaching, even if it means multiple picks at the same position) seemed to work well for Dallas last year (Felix/Choice and Jenkins/Scandrick.) I wished I had picked up two WRs in the middle rounds, but that didnt work either. In retrospect I might have been better served taking Jarrett Dillard (or OLB Tyronne McKenzie or DE Vance Walker) at pick #104 over CB Coye Francies knowing other CBs would be available later. Finally, I did not address a 3rd QB. The QBs fell hard and far in this draft and with so many developmental guys falling I kept choosing to hold off selecting one. I strongly considered Painter or Brandstater at the top of the 7th round, but took the O Lineman instead. I would hope one of these guys went undrafted and would make it a priority to sign one as a free agent.
So, that's it. How did I do?
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not bad but imo
we shouldn’t draft Duke Robinson until the third round (he plays a bit soft). I would prefer we drafted Delmas, Barwin, Sidbury, Chung, Robiskie, and wait to get O-line depth til later.
don’t like Rashad Johnson much, I would prefer McBath. Johnson may bring a cerebral approach to the game, but his speed and size aren’t that outstanding, and I think we’ll be saying when he gets beat, “well that’s not what he had in mind, but he couldn’t do much about it could he, tough when you’re athletically overmatched”. Also he’s strictly a centerfielder (he’s not matching up one-on-one with anybody he’ll either be to slow to keep up, or too short, he’s also not that fluid in the hips), the safeties Dallas has been picking up recently are more athletic, and for whatever it’s worth I think we’ve shown more interest in Delmas and McBath.
you have too many cb’s, get rid of munnerlyn, he’s too short and too slow. I’d also drop Francis, he’s been sliding down draft boards recently. I’d prefer someone like Darren Banks instead.
Also, we shouldn’t draft Phillips. You already drafted Brinkley, there will be better players at other positions, say Joel Bell OT out of Furman or something. And I’m not completely sold on Brewster
I really like your picks of Foster and Toler though, I think they’ll be great.
yeah i prefer delams at 51 no doubt
i like to see a DT in there somewhere…..
Id be happy with a few players
We didnt get any help on the d line but i personally like Johnson i dont understand why everybody dislikes him so much hes a ball hawk unlike delmas who takes bad lines in coverage. But i like both ILB’s and all three cb’s even though we dont need 3
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No we did
Its just Delmas is like this blogs favorite player in the draft so if you dont include him your draft sucks. I actually liked it for the most part just to many cb’s and maybe a DT would of been nice
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I would have selected Delmas
at 51 if he was there. He is probably my favorite pick at that slot too. I’m surprised to hear people thinking Duke will be around in the 3rd. Although this is a weak Guard class, he is the top guy on the board. I just can’t imagine a scenario where no team takes a Guard for the first two rounds.
Regarding the NT, I tried to make a play for one in every single round. Considered Brace in the second, but had Duke rated higher. He was gone in the 3rd. Wanted Dorrell Scott or Chris Baker in the 4th, but they were gone. The rest of the NTs went about a round earlier than I expected/valued them. Maybe that’s me not taking in account that every year 1-2 teams move to a 3-4 which allow fewerr NTs to be available. Sammie Lee Hill went early 4th, Terrance Taylor bottom of 4th, Myron Pryor and Vaughn Martin end of 5th. I would have taken Terrence Knighton at 197, but he went at 193.
I'm with you TCB
Delmas will be gone, and Duke will not be falling into the 3rd round. I’d love to grab him with #51. People that are saying he is soft are just wrong. He’s one of the nastier Guards in the entire draft.
Nice job!
I also agree with the need for 2 ILB because this draft is deep, I would have even gone for an DE/OLB on top of that since Wade likes to bring the pressure from that spot if he can.
Also agree with the regret about not taking Dillard instead of Coye Fransis (not a fan).
It’s too bad you couldn’t have snagged one of the NT’s somewhere in the middle to late rounds, but you’re right about staying with your board.
Feb. 27 -- Veteran free agency signing period begins. Trading period begins.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Apr 20, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
He is
If we pick Louis Delmas can you imagine him on our team 5 years from now? you think hes a starter on this team? We have Hamlin at FS and hes gonna be the starter. So we have need at SS Maybe a William Moore would be better suited to us Chip Vaughn can be had in round 3 he runs a 4.42 and weights 221 pounds Delmas weighs 202 and runs a 4.55 and alot of the scouting sites i see says he takes bad lines to the ball and can be beat with a playaction, and is more pesky than forcefull when tackling
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with the uncapped year next year, there's no guarantee Hamlin is going to be around
the Cowboys could cut him. Also, I’m not sure that size matters too awfully much as long as the safety’s playing wait is above or right at 200, so I wouldn’t worry about whether or not the safety is suited to SS. I think Delmas will be a good pro, but I really would like Moore except for I’m not sure whether or not he can cover (two years, two different stories, and yes I know he was injured this last year and played through it, and if that’s all it was then we should pick him instead of Delmas no-brainer). Moore seems a little bit like a boom or bust prospect, but I like him, and Chip Vaughn is not thought to be great in coverage not a big fan, he just has straight line speed, he lacks fluidity imo. Also, imo we should take Bradley Fletcher and convert him to free safety and not draft a safety from this crappy safety draft at all except maybe Moore (if we believe the only difference in last year and the year before was the injury). But if we’re set on drafting a safety then Delmas is the safest pick in my opinion.
by The Triplets on Apr 20, 2009 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Just because
Its gonna be uncapped doesnt mean there gonna start cutting people. Hamlin is signed to 2014 and didnt play all that bad last year. One of our Positions of need is SS and there is better value to be had with our first 2 picks other than Delmas
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I got news for you guys...There is probably no FS in this draft better than Ken Hamlin....and Hamlin is not being moved to SS to facilitate a rookie FS
sure..I agree we need depth there, but every thing i hear is about replacing Ken Hamlin at FS…It’s not happening. It’s been 10 months since Hamlin signed a mega million multi-year deal…He’s not going anywhere, anytime soon. I agree he tailed off last season(didn’t play to expectations), and I wasn’t so happy with his play, but he was overworked covering for the likes of Roy, Davis, Watkins, Brown, and the Battle….
Even if we grabbed the supposedly best FS (Delmas), he wouldn’t see the field (maybe, just maybe as a 3rd S in some umbrella deep zone), he’s got flaws, he’s not very fast, he’s not very bright, and not very strong…why continue this belief that FS is our biggest need ? how many deep balls were given up by Hamlin last season ?
I rank the positional need of FS behind Strong Safety, OG, ILB, and NT…
Free Safeties on roster:
K Hamlin- locked up for 4+ years
C Brown- third year guy, must show improvement
P Watkins- health concerns, and ceiling has been reached
*-depth needed to push reserves, but in all 3+ year vets throughout
Strong Safety-
Gerald Sensabaugh- signed to one year deal
Jerome Carter- signed to futures deal, out of football in ’08
Tra Battle- signed off waivers mid season ’08
*-serious consideration for future starter needed, as all three players were dismissed from their last team.
which position seems more unstable, undecided and in serious need of upgrade/future starter consideration ? SS vs FS
SS’s:
2nd round
William Moore
Pat Chung
3rd round
Chip Vaughn
Mike Hamlin
David Bruton
4th or later
Courtney Green
Otis Wiley
CJ Spillman
..
FS’s:
3rd round:
J Byrd
R Johnson
S Martin
D McBath
V Harris
4th round or later
C Clemons
K Lewis
B Fletcher
G Quin
I agree
Delmas isnt the answer and is a waist of a pick at 51.
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a waste??
a playmaking ball hawk is what this defense desperately needs to become elite and Delmas fits that bill better than any safety in this class.
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Hes over rated
Hes rated number 3 there and if you want a ballhawk saftey Johnson is better in coverage and so is Darcel Mcbath and Moore. I dont like using our first pick on someone when we dont know how sensabaugh will be.
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Delmas is the most complete safety in the draft
He supports the run much better than McBath and Johnson and covers better than Moore. If you want a ball hawking playmaker who can do it all, Delmas is the man.
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no...Ken Hamlin is the answer...He's the ball hawk(version '07) and the run support guy (circa. '04-'07)
Everyone keeps clammering for this ballhawking FS…we HAVE Pro Bowler-Ken Hamlin at Free Safety…..
we NEED an underneath guy to cover RB’s-TE’s in the passing game, and clamp down on the running game, leaving Ken Hamlin to roam the deep middle…
why is this not registering ?.
I disagree
Hamlin is not a ball hawking playmaker. He’s a good safety, but Delmas has the potential to be Ed Reed good.
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huh???? Ed Reed , good ???
now i’ve heard it all…..
Didn’t Hamlin go to the Pro Bowl and lead the NFC in INT’s in ’07 ??
and what did he do last season??
get bulldozed by Ron McLain and Willis MaGahee in the Raven game, just name name a few.
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lmao....and you think 190lb Delmas/Johnson would have done something different against 245lbs RB's ??...c'mon...
L Delmas or R Johnson would have simply pulled a Jenkins , and ran away….stop it..
Besides….What does that have to do with ballhawking playmaking abilities ??…
please don’t try to rationalize your stance on Delmas/Johnson because you think they are superior run defenders(their biggest weakness) over Hamlin ????….joking of course ?…completely invalidates your opinion on why we should be taking a FS with our first picks…
Delmas isn't 190 lbs
He’s over 200 lbs with the frame to get bigger and really size isn’t the issue, its the attitude of loving contact which Delams has in spades.
Bottom line he’ll be just as good as Hamlin as a pro if not better, so why not team both of them together??
You have to stop characterizing safeties as free or strong as in todays NFL they have to be interchangeable.
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hmm...ok...here we go...first off...he played last season at 192lbs...I don't care about the creatine he's ingested since then..He needs much time in the weight room..
Scott Wright’s Draft Countdown website is one of the premier draft info sites available, with scouting reports for all top 250 prospects…
Louis Delmas – negatives
Has just average timed speed and quickness.
Lacks the burst to close on a play.
Can be too aggressive at times.
Needs to get stronger.
Doesn’t always take proper angles.
Has trouble in space, and will miss tackles.
Will struggle to man up on pro WR’s.
Has only 5 INT’s his past two seasons combined, (23 games) ballhawk ? lol
NFLDraftScout.com-
Louis Delmas- negatives
Lacks the bulk most teams prefer. …
Likes to evade blockers, rather than taking them on and shedding blocks. …
Resorts to low tackles and will, occasionally, duck his head and swipe. …
Can be more pesky than forceful as a tackler and will get dragged, at times. …
Aggressive defender; can be beaten with play-action. …
Questionable level of competition.
What is your fascination with this guy again ?
If anything , I see him playing Strong Safety in the Pro’s, not deep Free Safety……but needs another 10lbs of muscle before that can even become realistic…..
Again..I like the guy, and I wouldn’t be upset if we ended up with him…but if he’s as great as you so agressively try to to assert….what in the world makes you think the “next Ed Reed”…is going to be around at pick #51 ??
The most complete safety in a bad draft for safeties...
He’d be a third rounder next year, but this year, he’ll go sooner than #51
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Delmas would be a solid 2nd rounder in any draft
actually the only thing preventing him from being a top 15 pick in this draft is his size, and size alone.
His production and intangibles are elite.
In Romo we Trust
lol
If Delmas is there at 51 ok ill take it but do you believe hes worth moving up for? I believe Barwin, Unger, Maybe Both smiths are worth it but Delmas isnt elite he might be a good pro but i dont believe elite.
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absolutely
I think he could start over Sensabaugh and be the playmaking ball hawk we’ve lacked since Woody.
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Was Woody a ball hawk?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
ok....so all 32 teams agree that he's too small and fragile, yet we should do whatever is possible to aquire this guy....not sure I get it..
sounds like a move old Jerry would do if he was in love with a player(for whatever) will abort the board and take a flier on an unknown…Tom C will not advice moving up for him…that’s for sure…
we'll see
how do you know Ciskowski isn’t in love with him?
He’s looking for tough, hard nosed football players and Delmas fits that bill nicely.
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12 on Wonderlic
NOT GOOD!!!
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
wonderlic doesn't test
football intelligence and instincts which is what matters the most
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so doesn't Moore, Chung, Vaughn, Bruton, Hamlin, and Wiley.....all tougher, and the key word---- smarter..
all bigger, all as fast or faster, all playmakers, and good in underneath coverage, and can control the middle of the field……
people equating superior size to inferior coverage ability need to get a grip, and learn the truth……..all the guys i mentioned above are the same size as Darren Woodson….(the guy that gets a rise in all of you), and are surely adequate in coverage, and superior in run support…for instance..:
Chip Vaughn 6’2" 218lbs..bigger..4.42 40 yd….1.48 10 yd….faster….. 21 reps 37" vert…..stronger…
all conference player and team leader….against REAL competition
Ideal safety size, speed, and strength….
my motto…bigger , faster, stronger…..give me that, and i’ll win all the time
add “smarter” and “game changer/playmaker”, and it’s really no contest over the minority “darling” in Delmas…..
Can we get off this little napolean kick everyones on….sub or marginal 200lbs Strong Safeties don’t hold up……period…..
He looked awful in the Senior Bowl
Darren Woodson was moved from a LB position in College to Safety and looked great.
That’s a huge red flag on guys like Vaughn, Moore, Hamlin and the Notre Dame guy, they all went to the Senior Bowl and had moments between awful and very average. And those practices are designed to help the Defense look good, because the Offense doesn’t has enough time to gell.
BTW, there’s also consensus on every analyst report of the big safeties, coverage concerns, backpedal, bad angles, etc. And consensus is a little hard to come by if there isn’t enough evidence.
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oh yeah....defensive guys just normally gel over the course of 2-3 days..... i gotcha...
consensus on every analyst report of the big safeties, coverage concerns, backpedal, bad angles, etc.
i’d sure love to see those..sounds like your talking FS…..guess someone didn’t get the consensus reports on this little FS he’s mercifly trying to pimp…
Louis Delmas – negatives
Has just average timed speed and quickness.
Lacks the burst to close on a play.
Can be too aggressive at times.
Needs to get stronger.
Doesn’t always take proper angles.
Has trouble in space, and will miss tackles.
Will struggle to man up on pro WR’s.
Has only 5 INT’s his past two seasons combined, (23 games) ballhawk ? lol
NFLDraftScout.com-
Louis Delmas- negatives
Lacks the bulk most teams prefer. …
Likes to evade blockers, rather than taking them on and shedding blocks. …Resorts to low tackles and will, occasionally, duck his head and swipe. …
Can be more pesky than forceful as a tackler and will get dragged, at times. … Aggressive defender; can be beaten with play-action. … Questionable level of competition.
What’s your arguement again ????
i give up…..
Are you disagreeing on how defense guys gell faster than those on offense?
If you do, you’re much less knowledgeable than what you make yourself sound to be.
That’s one of those common knowledge things.
And coverage comes natural. The SSs looked bad against receivers, TEs and RBs.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
I dont buy into the senior bowl performance
Its like going to play for a different team for one game.. Look at game film not Senior bowl film.
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The Senior Bowl is indeed important
That’s why so many Coaches and team officials go to the practices and game.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
so you prefer Chung or Moore
I’m not going to disagree too much, but Chung won’t be playing the middle third, Moore might be able to but’s that’s a maybe. If you don’t want Delmas, but you want Johnson you’re crazy, he’ll be athletically outmatched I don’t care how smart he is, it’s about football smarts which aren’t really measured by that wonderlic crap. plus if you look at ESPN scouts.com, Delmas is the highest rated safety and his recognition skills are given a rating of excellent.
Great recognition skills. Will diagnose plays faster than most young safeties. Not afraid to take on bigger blockers and ball carriers. Feisty and aggressive. Plays much bigger than measurables indicate. A natural playmaker in run support and in coverage. Great example of instincts and toughness is on 1st-and-10 play with 13:37 remaining in first quarter of 2008 Nebraska game, when he diagnoses the play quicker than any other defender and looks like he’s shot out of a cannon as he flies upfield to make the tackle.
He might be a little overrated but not by the time he slips to the 51 pick. Also, I don’t really subscribe too much to this SS versus FS business, I’ll take two tough guys who can cover. I guess I’m curious, do you want the second year version of Roy Williams or what are you after because Moore and Chung aren’t bad cover guys, but they won’t cover slot receivers, they probably can match up fairly decently with tight ends though and they’ll try to take guys heads off, especially Chung.
However, I always thought that they’d have to trade up to get Delmas so I doubt they take him. My guess is they get Moore, Chung, (in the second) or McBath (in the third or fourth).
The one player that I am completely against us taking is Rashad Johnson, read this from ESPN scouts.com
Recognition Skills
Reads keys and locates the ball quickly. Does an excellent job of reading quarterbacks’ eyes and routes. Fills hard when reads run but doesn’t have a lot of experience lining up in the box and upper body strength is just adequate.
Closing Burst
Much better closing burst than 40-time indicates, tracks the ball well and capable of making up a lot of ground when the ball is in the air but doesn’t always take sound angles to the ball after the catch and can create seam for receiver to break long run. (see first quarter of 2008 Clemson game)
Fluidity
Doesn’t sink hips low enough and occasionally a quarter-count late coming transitioning out of backpedal as a result. Does not have a great deal of experience in man-to-man coverage and tight ends are going to give him problems because of size. However, has quick feet and opens hips fairly well. Covers a lot of ground when asked to play a centerfielder-type role.
Ball Skills
Aggressive and not afraid to jump routes. Times jumps well and can catch the ball at its highest point but occasionally drops pass should catch. (see first quarter of the 2008 Clemson game)
Run Support
Frequently lined up at the high point and run support usually secondary concern as a result but willing run stopper that flies to the ball when reads run. Adequate tackler that can latch on and wrestle ball carriers to the ground but doesn’t always take sound pursuit angles and has some problems wrapping up when doesn’t get into sound position. Can get engulfed and does not project as an in-the-box safety in the NFL.
if you don’t like Delmas then you have got to hate Johnson because he’s in my view a worse version of the same player
by The Triplets on Apr 21, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
am i to assume this message was sent to me ??
IF so….your absolutely right….I dislike R Johnson, feel he’s the most overhyped overachieving DB in this draft…and would not select him with either of our first two picks….
I never said I disliked Delmas, I’m a fan, he’s got skills…not overwelming skills though… I just wouldn’t use my first pick on a FS period (maybe Sean Smith), I think he’s the second best FS prospect out there behind Utah’s Sean Smith, and I think both will be chosen before our pick…SO…why bother discussing it day in and day out ?…I sure wouldn’t trade up for him………..
William Moore will be a better pro, and provides much more intangibles, and upside…He’s bigger, faster, and stronger, he’s a former WR & CB displaying superior athletic ability, and he can lay the wood on a tackle, pass rush, and has proven better ball skills, and playmaking return ability….Moore has only been playing FS for two seasons, and last season with plagued with nagging season long ailments, and had no supporting cast in his secondary, a year after leading the country in INT’s……….now move him to SS and have him shadow TE’s and RB’s, clog the running lanes, and blitz…..he’s your best bet………..
Also…playmaking ballhawks can be found in CB/FS-Victor Harris and CB/FS-Jaruis Bryd, who both happen to return punts, and are great special teamers, physical in run support, and could both be had anywhere from 10 to 50 picks after Delmas….making them MUCH more valuable of a pick……MUCH MORE …..
Look around the League
And you’ll see teams using FS prospects in the SS position, hey! Last season, look at what was believed to be the best pass protection unit, between Leonhard and Reed who was the SS?
With Pittsburgh, Polamalu and Clark, who’s the FS and SS?
Last season, when Hamlin was the lonely true Safety and Henry played the star position, who was the SS?
The League doesn’t care anymore about preconceived opinions on size at the Safety positions, coverage skill is what matters the most right now.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
you're absolutely correct
safeties have to be interchangeable in the NFL, they both have to be able to cover and support the run equally well.
In Romo we Trust
yeah...if you have a front 7 that can control the run.....you can be more flexable...
league doesn’t care ?? …or do we have 32 individual defensive schemes that rely on their safety tandems to do different things…….?? Have i ever mentioned “in the box” Safety ….? Nope….Strong Safety is what we need..
#1…Leonard only played due to injury (Landry)…good luck with your 185lbs SS holding up..
Polamalu is a FS now ?…since when ?…can’t cover worth a chit..
Henry played SS ? ..you got game tape on those 3-5 plays all season ?
With the many sub packages nickle/dime/etc. etc….no…coverage ability from your underneath (SS) guy is not what matters most, it helps, but surely not the focus..
….SS aren’t being asked to play man vs man against WR’s…….they will always be watching the run first, blanket or chip the TE/slot WR, and shadow any RB…that is what a SS does…..some free lance(Polamalu) more than others…
I don’t recall Hamlin getting burned deep at all last season, yet we hear people calling for his head ???
remember..It’s ROY WILLIAMS all you guyz been whining about for all these years for his poor coverage skills, and diminishing tackling ability…..it’s ROY WILLIAMS’ position that needs to be replaced…THAT IS STRONG SAFETY
that’s Strong Safety…….ok…got it…good…….
Wow....
For starters, by saying that about Polamalu you’re claiming that Ryan Clark was the FS… The guy sucks much more in coverage than Polamalu…
And 2nd, I kind of understand what a SS was supposed to do… I saw Ronnie Lott playing the position and that’s the best recent example of a great player that played the position.
The thing is, our team doesn’t seem to need that kind of player anymore. Our team didn’t trusted the SS on our roster in coverage, how many times we saw Ellis, Ware, Spencer, James and other LBs in medium and deep coverage? Too many times for me to digest such a thing… And that didn’t had anything to do with Hamlin, the guy had other responsabilities in those plays. The guy had a pretty decent season, IMHO.
If we were able to find a Darren Woodson kind of prospect I would like to be all over him, but that kind of prospect is drafted in the 1st Round (LaRon Landry would say Hi), not late in the 2nd Round. The SS prospects that you will find in the late 2nd, 3rd and after that will have serious concerns in coverage and a Safety in Dallas will need to play a bunch of coverage if you don’t want to keep seeing the LBs back there….
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
If coverage matters the most
Then why get Delmas? Were better off with sensabaugh a guy whos been play nfl caliber football for 3 years in one of the best divisions in football. We could use the 51st pick on so much better than a guy who weighs 202 lbs soaking wet who is dumber than a box of rocks and takes bad angles on the football….. and not to mention we already have a fs
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Because Delmas is seen as the best true safety in coverage
You will find a couple of places in the web where they don’t like him, but most of the websites have consensus on saying that he’s the best Safety in coverage.
Meanwhile, when we talk about the big SS prospects we have:
Moore: His senior season by itself is cause of concern by consensus.
Chung: Suspect coverage skills due to speed and stiffness in his hips.
Vaughn: Stiff, average to poor backpedal, isn’t quick.
Among those guys Chung would get my vote, because he seems to be the best, but I still think that we would continue to see LBs in coverage with him as the other S.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
This year the saftey class sucks
So why waste a pick on one at 51. I hope the cowboys stick to there board and not reach for Delmas. Moore would be a lot better pick and possibly be there at 69 The only reason moore isnt a first rounder this year is because he injured his foot during the first game of the season.
Moore is just as fast as Delmas 4.55 40 but he weights 25 pounds more so would be more durable with run support. In 07 he had 8 ints Delmas had 11 his 4 year career
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Look at what you're saying
The only reason moore isnt a first rounder this year is because he injured his foot during the first game of the season.
Injuries happen, that’s what teams know and that isn’t reason enough to bring down a player from the 1st to the 2nd or 3rd. There’s more on him.
I like what an insider and Raf digged from his sources, the Cowboys like Delmas and McBath. FS prospects. Yeah, that may be smoke, but after a few years of reading Raf I really believe in his sources.
And with that I rest my case.
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He's got sources yes
But he also Stated
That said, they appear to have a plan to maximize the value of those 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks.
And with that said Delmas isnt gonna maximize your value at pick 51 like Robiskie and Sidbury or English. To even aqquire him we would most likely have to move up to grab him. And hes Overvalued in a weak Saftey class if we could grab him in the 3rd id be all for it but we have bigger needs.
And with that i rest my case.
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the gavel has been placed down....lol
this court is adjurned…
In an actual draft
You did reasonably well. The two changes I would have made would take McGee at 104 and Sabastian Vollmer OT at 197. We’re still missing a DE and NT but the Cowboys appear to be happy with the backups there.
Vollmer went at #121 to the Eagles.
McGee at #104 seems reasonable. I would like to have a mulligan on that pick.
In this scenario, I would be worried about the D Line as well. A player I think Dallas could look at would be free agent DE Kevin Carter. He’s not a long term solution but could back-up for a year at either DE or NT (he’s played some Tackle and is roughly 300 lbs.) He played reasonably well starting for the Redskins last year posting 4 sacks.
If the Cowboys were looking for 4 players out of this draft
I think you got them at least that. I see a OG, 2 – ILB, FS, and with McGee at 104 and Toler later at CB. I like that a lot. Well Done JJ would be proud.
I think McGee gets drafted before both of them
Davis’ stock is dropping like a rock and Bolmar is a head case.
In Romo we Trust
Nate Davis is dropping
QBs need to have smarts and apparently he doesnt have much. One report says he has a learning disability. I do think Bomar will go ahead of McGee, however.
using Terry's slogan....Marino got a 13 on his wonderlic....not the brightest guy...how'd he turn out ??
I hope Davis falls all the way to the 6th round…even better….steal of the draft…..he’s a 2nd round talent..
Davis has more issues than just his lack of smarts
He also isn’t a very accurate passer, which is probably the worst trait you can have as a QB.
He’ll fall to the 6th all right, but he won’t be a steal, probably cut in training camp more like it.
In Romo we Trust
NT in the 3rd, S in the 4th.
Dorrell Scott at #69 would have been better.
You can have your pick of good, solid 2nd-tier safeties at #104 like Chip Vaughn, David Bruton, Michael Hamlin, or Curtis Taylor. They’ve got equal measurables and better intangibles than the top-tier guys.
Otherwise, very good draft. Your 7th rounders are questionable only because WR & DBs are almost always our M.O.
Res firma mitescere nescit
I'll bitch just for kicks....
Three CB’s ? (5 drafted in 12 months)…you do realize the players that don’t make the roster will be added to the salary cap if cut right ??
Not that I don’t like the 3 players chosen, in fact i think your 3rd CB Toler will pan out to be the best of the trio….
To elude and ignore the NT spot altogether gets you a C- grade, regardless of how I feel about the rest of your picks…
I am in support of you taking Duke Robinson, and unlike what others think here, I see no way he reaches #69….
I’m not a fan of R Johnson’s, but if that’s who’s chosen, I’ll support him initially (as he plays special teams half his career)
At least you made up for the Johnson blunder, by taking a legit ILB in Brinkley (best value of your draft), would be starting by 2010, if not sooner….added ST
Francies is an alright CB, alittle slow with issues, but good value at this spot….will be 5th on depth chart though…ST addition..
I like the double ILB selection…Phillips is a straight up football player, and adds quality depth to that position..ST too
I’m not even gonna talk about the rest of them……I guess you think a 6th WR is needed…two more CB’s 6th-7th , and a marginal at best OL…..hmmm..as opposed to….NT, OLB, OC, OT
all needed more at this point in the draft than CB and WR………I wish you listed the choices available at those points…cuz i am sure there was better options…
I did list alternate choices
After I list the selection I list Who was there? to give an idea of who I passed over. If you’re curious about a certain player or position, let me know and I can tell you who was drafted where. I can’t defend myself for not picking a NT. I’ve mentioned several times in this thread I considered, almost targeted, them strongly in each round. It just so happened that other teams coveted the 3-4 NTs and DEs as well.
The trickiest skill involved in drafting is knowing your opponents and which players (or positions) they desire, and therefore knowing which of your players might still be available at your next pick. You want to pick a targeted player as late as possible, but you can’t wait too late.
In my case I underestimated my opponents desire to add 3-4 D Linemen. I would see one get drafted a round too early and thought it was an anomaly. But it kept happening. Turns out (because of so many teams running the 3-4 including two new teams this season in Denver and Green Bay) the value of these players (even average to below average ones) has increased.
it's all good...it's just a game right.....
let’s JJ, Tom C and the Boyz do alittle better..
A UDFA Qb that could pan out is
Daryll Clark from Penn State
by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 22, 2009 2:11 AM CDT reply actions
I put in my bids for UDFAs in this draft
I had Brandstater and (sorry, but no one else was left) Chase Daniel. Painter and Harrell got picked late 7th after I was done. Other guys I requested were Philip Hunt, Dan Gay, Travis McCall and Julius Williams. Hunt and Brandstater are the two I really want to help solidify this draft.
UDFAs
So, I was able to put in a bid for some UDFAs. I picked up my Quarterback in Brandstater, but didnt get the other FA I really wanted, Philip Hunt. At the end of the day, my drafted team looks like this:
51 – OG Duke Robinson
69 – FS Rashad Johnson
101 – ILB Jasper Brinkley
104 – CB Coye Francies
166 – ILB Jason Philips
172 – WR Brooks Foster
197 – CB Captain Munnerlyn
208 – CB Greg Toler
210 – G/T Robert Brewster
FA – QB Tom Brandstater
FA – QB Chase Daniel
FA – OLB Julius Williams
FA – FB Travis McCall
As a Fresno State Student
I have to give my opinion on Brandstater… He will be a good NFL qb good arm decent speed and given the time to learn a offense and sit the bench i think has a chance to be the next romo, He has the size and played in a pro style offense and Fresno state puts out good qb’s IF HOUSTON didnt draft David Carr he would of been great….. David Carr and Bernard Berrian made me a very happy kid lol. and i think he gets drafted in the 6th or 7th i dont think he makes it to FA i hope dallas picks him up i know he came to visit.
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Yeah, I'm on board with getting Brandstater too.
Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Draft Nick Reed. Say that fast, five times!
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 25, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
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