The Anti-Mock
I hate mock drafts. They are never anywhere close to being right after the first 5-8 picks. In fact, I see them as just a show of love for players the mocker likes. This year, I wanted to try something new. I thought about the player rankings, Dallas’ areas of need and how the board might fall during the draft. Then I decided to list who I thought MIGHT be available at each slot in those areas of need.
‘Area of need’ is always a source of fan contention. Some would say we need a WR now that T.O. is gone, but others would vehemently disagree. I decided to use a Best Player Available (BPA) strategy overlaid onto areas of need (i.e. a RB is not an option at #51 regardless of whether or not he is the BPA) that I created, which again, is highly debatable. In line with my earlier point, some of these players absolutely won’t be where I have them, but every year, the 4th, 5th and 6th rounds roll around and people are shocked to see their favorite ‘name’ player still available. Anyway, here go my shots in the dark, along with personal preferences;
#51
Clint Sintim, LB; Ron Brace, NT; Jarron Gilbert, DE; Brian Robiskie, WR; Derrick Williams, WR; Brandon Tate, WR; Michael Johnson, DE/LB; Eric Wood, OC/OG; Darcel McBath, S; D.J. Moore, DB; Coye Francies, DB;
My take: I think you have to go with Brace here, despite my belief that Sintim is another Patrick Willis, because gambling that Scott will be around at #69 with all the 3-4 transitions taking place is too big a gamble. Brace may only amount to a serviceable rotation player, but Philly’s o-line now averages like 965 lbs. per player. I fear for Ratliff’s health.
#69
Jasper Brinkley, LB; Troy Kropog, OT; Jamon Meredith, OL; Dorell Scott, NT; Cody Brown, LB;
My take: Meredith is light and looks like a Guard. Brown is an Anthony Spencer clone with a blazing first step. Kropog, even though he’s not quite ready yet, has a ton of upside. The thing I look for in LT’s is footwork, agility and smarts. He is 6’5” and around 320, so he has a good base, is intelligent, supposedly kick slides very well and (although I really like Brinkley) we need depth at tackle in a very bad way. I can’t see a scenario where Ciskowski passes him up. Besides, guys named Troy seem to do well in Big D.
#101
Chris Baker, DL; Andy Levitre, OG; Trevor Canfield, OG; Jason Watkins, OT; Mike Mickens, CB; Louis Murphy, WR; William Moore, S;
My take: after losing Henry and Pacrat, you have to find a DB here, although Jason Watkins is another guy with big upside at OT. Even though I am a fan, it’s just too early for Canfield. Between Mickens and Moore, Mickens gets on the field sooner, but Moore, if his Senior year was an anomaly due to injuries, is a better long term pick. Go with Moore and pray for boom, not bust.
#117
Scott McKillop, LB; Domonique Johnson, CB; Vaughn Martin, NT; Johnny Knox, WR; LaDarius Webb, DB; Louis Vasquez, OL;
My take: this is tough for me, because I feel pretty good that all of these guys should be here at #117. McKillop and Vasquez both have fiery passion for the game but are limited athletes, Johnson has amazing triangle numbers and Webb, despite his stature, is a playmaker. None makes the grade for me and so this comes down to Martin or Knox. As both are small school prospects and have a big jump ahead of them, I think the WR with 4.3 speed, explosiveness in and out of cuts and reliable hands, gets the nod over the very athletic big man, since we took Brace, and there are other big bodies available in later rounds.
#156
Antonio Appleby, LB; Augustus Parrish, OT; Gerald Cadogan, OT; Chip Vaughn, S; Frantz Joseph, LB; Cary Harris, CB;
My take: I like Joseph and Cadogan because they are warriors, but Appleby has played in a 3-4, is smart (which our team needs more of), very strong at the point and seldom misses a tackle (another thing our team needs more of). He’s the guy Wade will lobby for.
#166
Brannon Southerland, FB; Colin Brown, OT; Tiquan Underwood, WR; Michael Hamlin, S; Terrance Taylor, NT; Julius Williams, LB/DE
My take: I love Southerland and would be fine if they picked him, but think they won’t. Underwood reminds me of Todd Pinkston because he becomes invisible when he turns sideways. Taylor is fire-hydrant short. Hamlin would be fine if Moore wasn’t taken earlier. So, I like Brown because he is massive, tough, quick off of the snap and could be the future at RT and even play in a pinch as a rook if Colombo went down.
#172
Keenan Lewis, DB; Ramon Foster, OT; Garrett Reynolds, OT; Otis Wiley, S; Dave Philistin, LB; Roger Allen, OG;
My take: Some people like Wiley here, I don’t. He lacks the deep coverage skills we need. Lewis could be a sleeper and Philistin fills a need for depth. I like Roger Allen not because he’s ready, because he isn’t, but because he has good feet and the ability to push the pile. Plus, won’t have to play immediately and can grow into the position after being coached up by Hudson Houck.
#197
Marko Mitchell, WR; Aaron Kelly, WR; Mike Reilly, QB; Tyronne Green, OL; David Bruton, S; Antonio Dixon, NT;
My take: Dixon is big, but dumb. Bruton just wasn’t a stud on the field. Kelly and Mitchell aren’t classic deep threats. After the Combine, I became a fan of Reilly’s. He showed off some great mechanics, touch and zip during all of the drills. I didn’t see one of his passes touch the carpet. He’s mobile and has a good head for the game. In addition, I believe you need duplicity of skill sets in your backup QB’s so that you don’t have to change your offense when your starter goes down. Reilly has a lot of the same skills as Romo. ‘Nuff said.
#208
Jamarko Simmons, WR; Josh Mauga, LB; Stephen McGee, QB; Brian Hartline, WR; Brandon Hughes, CB;
My take: at this point, Ciskowski is looking for a home run and Brandon Hughes could be the one. He played well in the pass happy Pac 10 and showed he can easily change directions and mirror guys like 6’5” Patrick Turner and Mike Thomas who runs a 4.38 forty yard dash. I’m sold.
#210
Khalif Mitchell, NT; Tom Brandstater, QB; Graham Harrell, QB; Chris Kemme, OT; Brandon Swain, LB;
My take: another big body at NT would be a good (and safe) bet here and Mitchell is a beast, but is he a home run? If not, how about Brandon Swain, who had a boatload of plays in the backfield during his career at a small school. He’d be a good project. Still, I’d go with Mitchell, since our DE’s aren’t much more than pluggers and sliding Ratliff out to End could change the entire complexion of the front 3.
#227
Andrew Gardner, OT; Bruce Johnson, DB; Tom Morstead, P; Brennan Marion, WR; Donald Washington, CB; Brandon Robinson, WR;
My take: Morstead could be good insurance if McBriar’s foot isn’t 100%. Washington has talent, but some off field issues. Otherwise, Brandon Robinson, who isn’t going to burn people deep, looks like a possible stud slot guy. I’d go with Washington, but I predict Jerry will say, “Take the wideout”.
So, if it all went like I laid it out, and I assure you it won’t, we’d end up with this;
Brace - NT
Kropog - OT
Moore - S
Knox - WR
Appleby - LB
Brown - OT
Allen - OG
Reilly - QB
Hughes - CB
Mitchell – NT
Robinson – WR
Even though it isn’t exactly who I would want in each round (remember there are 31 other teams picking too) because there’s only one CB and one LB in the bunch, this is what might happen if Dallas stayed on their board based on BPA in the context of areas of need. So, I guess I’d be relatively satisfied with this haul and expect to see some spirited camp battles for roster spots with each of these guys.
What’s your take?
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don’t like your reasoning, why pass up the next patrick willis
by Chad Hutchinson on Apr 20, 2009 11:37 PM CDT reply actions
Same reason we'd pass up on a RB even if he was the next Emmitt
Like the man says, don’t fall in love with any player and stick to your board.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Good work Bling, but when...
I saw “ant-mock”, i thought to myself “a post about players we shouldn’t draft.” Right now though, we are thinking about players we are gonna get. No one is thinking what players should be avoided.
One question though about safety- you did not have Darcel McBath as a player of interest. I know it’s hard to remember everyone, but he is a player the Cowboys are interested in.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
Actually, I do...
I have him at #51 as a potential. I don’t think Ciskowski will take him there though.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I like Brace
A big run stuffer 2 down guy would be a great addition.
But is he there because it’s such a thin class of NT? And what about the back problems?
Even though I feel like if he’s healthy, he’d be a sure thing, I’m leary of risking our highest pick on a guy who might be chronically limited by the back problems.
Out of the alt. choices I’d take Sintim first or Wood second.
The #69 pick is Brinkley all the way (if Brace is the pick at #51), this guy will dominate in the Phillips34, definitely the best tackling ILB, and possibly could turn in to a 3 down LB as he gets further removed from his knee injury.
Plus I’m not a fan of Kropog (that’s Go pork spelled backwards)
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Great questions
I don’t think this calss of NT’s is thin. Raji is the one elite player that could be great in a 4-3 or a 3-4. The next group includes Brace, Scott, Sammie Lee Hill, etc. It’s not unlike the safety class where Delmas is the clear #1 and then there is a second tier.
I think the back problem thing is over-hyped. Jamal Williams, Casey Hampton, John Henderson, Marcus Stroud and even Albert Haynesworth have all had it at one time or another. I think it comes with being a behemoth and playing interior defense.
Love the Go Pork thing, but I have to ask, what caused you to go and unscramble his name like that?
I don’t think they can wait until the 4th to get a tackle, so that’s why I think Brinkley gets passed on.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Kropog, just looked strange, like his name had been cut off mid-stream
I looked at it backwards and sure enough, Go Pork.
I don’t know what it means or how to interpret it, but I felt I should point it out. :)
Brace, if they pick him, I’ll trust they scoured his medical thoroughly. I’m higher than most here on his ability to fill that 2 down plugger role immediately.
I just can’t see them passing on Brinkley who is moving up draft boards for a OT like Go Pork who is moving down draft boards, according to what I’ve been reading. He struggled with better talent at the Senior Bowl.
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by APerfectStar on Apr 21, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll call my buddy who will be at the draft and ask him...
to start a PORK! PORK! PORK! chant with the J-E-T-S fans when Dallas comes up at #69.
Oh jeez, I just said “pork” and “69” in the same sentence.
A new low…
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Maybe, but if you're looking at our depth chart...
I see backups at LB named Ellis, Carpenter, Rogers and Polk, all of whom have been on the field and showed something. The starters are set with Spencer, Brooking, James and Ware. If we lose a starter, I don’t think the dropoff is that dramatic in the LB play, except of course for losing Ware.
On the other hand, at the OT spot, we have Doug Free and Pat McQuistan. Maybe I’m in the minority, but that scares me a whole lot. I suppose you could slide Bigg out to tackle in a pinch, but he didn’t fare so well in that role at Arizona.
Like I said, Kropog isn’t ready now, but I think he can grow into the job because of his smarts, feet, quickness off of the snap and knee bend. Plus, I saw that he doesn’t have any hearing problems.
:-)
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I think Free at this point is better than Go Pork
Or he should be. I’m not feeling secure about LT either, but I’d still rather take one later on if he’s not ready to step on the field anyway. Joel Bell seems to be a hot prospect, just as an example.
I have to stick with the BPA theory here and I haven’t seen many boards where Brinkley is below Kropog. Plus do you feel comfortable with the ILB’s you listed behind Bradie and Brooking?
Carpenter, Rogers and Polk
Basically 2 ST guys, and the plan to use Carp in Burnett’s role this season. Also, how long can Brooking start? 1 or 2 more seasons? I’d sure like to draft a badass ILB to be ready to jump in if need be.
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by APerfectStar on Apr 21, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I like that logic except for this...
If Brooking keeps his job for 2 years, that means you get 2 years of starting out of Brinkley before his deal expires. Also, Polk has played for Wade before. Carpenter (bust or not) is a 1st rounder. Rogers can play in a pinch.
On the other hand, Flozell has an injury history, has a bad ear and his play is declining NOW…
I just think that in the grand scheme of things, you have to place the lack of depth at OT, which is generally considered a more critical position than ILB, as an area of need that is greater than ILB for this team at this moment.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
OK
But let me just say this
I really really really want Dallas to draft Brinkley.
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by APerfectStar on Apr 22, 2009 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions
ME TOO!!!
;-)
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I want Brinkley...
I think he is much closer to being like ILB Pat Willis than OLB Clint Sintim
by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 22, 2009 1:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Absolutely, positively could not disagree more...
Brinkley is a big dude who is a thumper and can deliver big hits in the hole, but that is it. He’s got VERY limited range and won’t make any plays outside the box.
Sintim has played standing up and as a down lineman. He’s played in a 3-4 and a 4-3 and been a big-time playmaker in every role. But the biggest difference Nick is his ability to make plays all over the field. Sintim has amazing range for a 250-plus pound guy, has great football awareness and has much more versatility than other LB’s in this draft.
Willis is a sideline to sideline monster. Sintim has that potential if he can make the jump effectively. Brinkley won’t ever be that kind of athlete.
That said, I think Dallas needs some players who can help give the defense an attitude and an identity. Brinkley could be the kind of enforcer in the box that gives us the ability to make running backs pay for coming through the hole.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Also
I get your logic about Brinkley’s experience at MLB being more like Willis, but Al Groh says Sintim can play any spot in the NFLat a high level. His versatility in college (played end, ILB, OLB, etc.) seems to support that.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Carlos Polk is an unrestricted free agent and not on our roster...i believe...
he is also purely ST, as well as Rodgers…leaving Barbie….who was on ESPN’s “First Take” this morning..btw….The “RAT” is already transitioning into his new career a year early….
Barbie was on 1st take?
LOL
Did he talk to Skippy Clueless?
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by APerfectStar on Apr 22, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
They were discussing shampoos for men with longer hair...
He was the first one that came to mind for the producers.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
That would be a topic they'd share an interest in
The importance of haircare.
Then they went out for some Appletinis.
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by APerfectStar on Apr 22, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions
they were best buddies....it sure looked like an audition for a job....they all said he did a "great" job....which he did...btw...
that seems like his calling…cuz football sure ain’t..he had his hair up in a bun….looked like a GQ wanna be…
I like brinkley
But think we might be able to land him with the 101st pick or that and a 5th to move up i also like the William Moore pick but think he will be gone by then.
I thank God everyday i wasnt born a Eagles fan!!!!!!
I doubt Brinkley is there at #101
I can’t plug 100 players on the big board who are all better than him. Also, remember the number of teams going to a 3-4 that will need bigger LB’s who can fill.
Moore may be gone by where I have him, but if so, someone who shouldn’t be available at #101, will be. I hope it’s a CB or an OT.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
How important is smarts and intelligence?
Tom Cis. has these qualities on the top of his list
Brinkley’s scout report says
Marginal instincts and awareness…Intelligence has been questioned…
http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/ilb/Jasper-Brinkley.php
The answer is one of gradations
Simply put, it’s less important for an ILB in a 3-4 than an Offensive Left Tackle. Jeremiah Trotter was no genius, but he was the perfect fit as an enforcer in Jim Johnson’s defense.
I’m not demeaning intelligence at all as part of the package, but let me ask you this, Bishop…
If Delmas is there at #51, do you take him?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Well,
I like Delmas, but I’d have to know who else is still available at that time before I say an automatic yes
Interesting...
I asked because of the article and the block you posted.
I think a lot of people like Delmas, but given that he scored a 12 on the Wonderlic and knowing that safeties need to grasp the mental aspect of the game (Roy Williams anyone???), do you think Ciskowski has now moved Delmas way down his board?
I guess the point is this; there aren’t a lot of players who have toughness, smarts AND great on-field production, except for the top end of the first round. All of these guys have some warts on them and the question is ‘which ones is Cisky willing to set aside in favor of the strengths he is looking for?’
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Apparently not, if you're right about what Cisky is looking for
Jeez, don’t tell Terry. He won’t be happy if we pass him up.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
OK, what is "smarts?"
is it just the wonderlic score?
or decisions on the field, during game play?
Maybe, Delmas fails the first and passes the second, I dunno?
Dunno
but coming out of the Roy Williams debacle, you have to believe they are hyper sensitive to making the same mistake with a Delmas.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I feel confident
that right now Delmas has better coverage skills than Roy ever had, what I don’t know is with a little age, if Delmas will lose his coverage skills like RW1 did.
if I knew those kinds of answers, I could make a lot of coins :)
I needed a laugh, so thank you...
“better coverage skills than Roy ever had”?
Bishop, I feel confident that YOU have better coverage skills than Roy ever had.
;-)
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Delmas has great football intelligence and instincts
wonderlic is simply an IQ test, nothing more, it has nothing to do with football intelligence.
In Romo we Trust
Bah
You still have to be able to grasp a playbook…
According to Bishop, Cisky is looking for smarts and toughness.
Terry, this is your defining moment. You get one or the other;
If we could land Delmas at #51 and pass on McKillop later or pass on Delmas and get McKillop later, which would it be?
No pansy answers here. You have to pick one!!!
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Like the players
I like the players you have, but most of them will not go where you have them. Brandon Tate won’t go at #51, he’ll probably be going early 4th. I didn’t see Ramses Barden on here, who I really like in this draft and just recently found out yesterday that he visited Valley Ranch. That is the first time I had heard it though and for good reason. Teams don’t want everyone to know who they are looking at, so I can see why the only place that says so is a video on the WR prospects at Dallascowboys.com. William Moore will also probably be the first guy gone I think, just for his likeness to Ed Reed’s Ball Hawking. Chung, Delmas, Moore and Johnson (safeties) Will all be gone by pick #70, and I can pretty much guarantee that the cowboys will take one with #51 or #69.
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Good Question
I see him going between 34 and 48.
So no.
Sorry Terry.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Props to you, Terry
Just read the article about toughness and passion for the game being high on Ciskowski’s list of desires in this draft class.
If that is true, your guy McKillop (who I am not the biggest fan of) must be shooting up Cisky’s board.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
My take ...
- I like your reasoning on Ron Brace. I’m starting to think he may need to be the pick at #51 otherwise, we will be stuck reaching for someone who doesnt belong at their spot. Even if he is a career back-up, someone needs to keep Ratliff fresh. Best case scenario he becomes a solid space eater and we can move Ratliff back to DE next season when we (most likely) lose Marcus Spears.
- The 69th pick is probably too early for Brinkley. If you cant do without him, let’s at least trade back 15 spots and pick up a 3rd or 4th rounder in doing so. We might need that pick as ammunition to move back up for someone later.
- I like Kropog or Meredith at #69, but don’t think either will be there. In the mock I recently took part in Meredith went 42nd and Kropog 66th. Meredith’s physique looks like Jason Smiths. He could put on another 10 – 15 lbs and not lose any quickness. A playing weight of 318 is suitablke for a left tackle if he’s got good quickness.
- Kropog = Go Pork backwards … awesome.
- Who is Vaughn Terry? Assume you mean NT Vaughn Martin.
- No way William Moore is available at #101. I doubt he’s there when we pick at 69th (he went 55th in the other mock I mentioned.)
- Later in the draft there will be some better players than you mention.
- Love how you start this out “I hate Mock Drafts” then essentially do a mock draft.
- Keep up the good work, Blings.
Thanks
Agree on Brace, Brinkley and the OT. Meredith could go instead of Kropog, but adding weight to these guys is a risk in that it can slow them down and make them more of a waist-bender than a knee bender.
I meant Vaughn Martin, nto sure why I said Terry. Must be from watching the Mavericks.
I am not so sure about Moore. He may fall with his crappy Senior season and his weak combine showing. Also, rumors are he didn’t wow them in the interviews. I think Moore is still falling while guys like Rashad johnson are leapfrogging him.
Well, it’s an anti-mock in that it doesn’t just list all the players I want at every spot, because I think those kinds of pipe dreams are just a “ooh, here are all my favorite players that fill our needs at each spot regardless of want to be there and who we should pick” without reality as a point of reference.
There are a lot of players I want that didn’t make my final list, but I know I never get everything I hope for in a draft.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I think Cadogan
Is a very good player we could get in the fourth round. He also fits our plan, loves to play and is intelligent. Also another guy we might select w/ that reasoning is Bama’s Antoine Caldwell, he definitely has the brains. First ever on the Crimson Tide to finish all undergraduate studies in less than 3 years
by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 22, 2009 1:58 AM CDT up reply actions
I really like Caldwell
but I think lots of teams have him ranked as the 2nd best center behind Mack and I don’t see Dallas using #51 or #69 on him.
Cadogan has the attitude you want, but lots of people think he’ll get abused by athletic ends and speed rushers because of his lack of quickness off of the snap. I saw only 3 Penn State games all year, one being their bowl game where he wasn’t special, the other 2 he played okay.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
ahh..like I said...mocks are made to be mocked...
I would actually be very OK with this draft if it went down like that (give it a B)…….but
NO way that SS – W Moore gets to 101
NO way that SS – C Vaughn gets to 156
doubtful SS – M Hamlin gets to 166
doubtful CB/FS – K Lewis gets to 172
doubtful S – D Bruton gets to 197
You could be absolutely right
But I’d bet some of these players actually fall further than either of us thought…
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Just had to ask
Why did you take Reilly at 197 when the Cowboys seem to be so high on McGee and he’s still there at 208 ?
Excellent Question!!!
Because I think team visits can also be red herrings…
If meeting players and showing interest translated into draft board position, I think our roster would look a lot different. The top personnel guys don’t want to tip their hands to other teams. They fear that publicizing their true interests could lead to having players they like getting drafted by other teams who either draft them outright or trade up.
As for McGee, his shoulder injury (only 3 starts in 2008), coupled with raw mechanics and suspect accuracy just don’t add up for me. He’s too risky for a team that needs someone to groom long term. Reilly is someone I think plays a lot like Romo and brings the same stuff to the table. McGee is a big unknown.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
+1....every team knows what players are being brought here...i wouldn't bank on all these visits being the exclusive guys we're into....
we are now just hearing reports the Boys have been big on WR-Barden just now….although it’s stated they’ve shown the most interest for months now…..ahhhhhh….can this weekend get here soon enough ??
Lol ive been talking about him for months
And now everybody likes him lol…… he would be nice to get but i dont think we will pull the trigger a KR/PR/WR would be idea compared to just wr
I thank God everyday i wasnt born a Eagles fan!!!!!!
I agree we need a slot guy with return ability...
Brandon Tate- top of round 4 ……is my choice, but Barden’s got huge hands for pete’s sake…it’s like catching a nerf ball for that guy…add the 3 foot verticle to his 6’6" frame and it’s no contest in the end zone……
Ya i grew up 45 min from SLO so im familar with there players even if there D-2
Hes got alot of upside and would be a good target for romo
I thank God everyday i wasnt born a Eagles fan!!!!!!
Can't see Tate lasting that long...
Tier1
-—-
Crabtree
Maclin
Nicks
Harvin
Britt
Tier 2
-——-
D. Williams
Robiskie
Murphy
Tate
Dillard
Iglesias
Massaquoi
Barden
Thomas
That’s 14 WR’s in the top 2 tiers of this draft class.
Last year, in arguably the poorest draft for WR’s in a decade, 15 WR’s went in the top 100 picks. This year, it could easily be 18-20 with a much more NFL-ready class. Add to that the fact that Tate has the kind of explosiveness that guys like Barden, Massaquoi and Iglesias will never have. Hence, my reasoning for not buying Tate lasting past #60.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Tate tested positive for marijuana at the combine
Still like him this … high (zing!) So far the names from that list that have been released are Tate and Harvin. And we all know Harvin is off the Dallas board. Does Tate get deleted as well?
Or...
Does he drop to the later rounds where taking him at #197 isn’t too big a risk?
Can’t Calvin Hill help here? Maybe Tate had one of those prescriptions because of his injury rehab? Yeah, maybe that’s it!!!
In the end, I think some teams will keep him high (oh boy, here we go) enough on their board to keep him from falling too far.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
No me gusto Barden
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Didn't Tuna piss off Steven Jackson after telling him they would draft him and then passing him up?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Knox
I like that you have Johnny Knox on your radar. The kid is a special talent, hey may take a few years to develop but has the potential to be a really good #3 potential #2 for a team. Think Miles Austin with better hands and route running. If he’s there 4th round or later he should be a serious contender to go to the ’Boys.
What I like about Knox
He comes from a small school, but he has the triangle numbers that allow him to make the jump. In fact, I like Knox for the same reason I don’t favor Barden. Bill Polian, who I am a huge fan of, said that certain positions just require that you have certain athletic skills, like fluid hips and explosiveness in and out of cuts for WR’s. Knox has these things and Barden doesn’t. Now, whether he has the work ethic and mental toughness for that jump, I dunno.
I think about the facilities at a school like Abilene Christian and how big a difference it would make for a guy like Knox to work out at Valley Ranch and have access to all of the best nutrition and technique training available. I think he could turn into something special, as opposed to other “waterbugs” of previous drafts…David Clowney comes to mind.
I think this raises an interesting debate though…
Does Dallas (Romo) benefit more from a bigger, possession type guy like a Barden or Massaquoi or a deep threat like Knox or Mike Wallace?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I like Mike....
Wallace….or Thomas, either way a Mike…. I did like Tate till he went Quincy Carter and had to fail a drug test. I mean you know when the draft is, you know around when ur gonna get tested….Its a sign that he doesn’t care or is just stupid. And if he fails one now what is going to stop him from doing it during the season or getting suspended when they pull a random drug test
by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 22, 2009 2:01 AM CDT reply actions
You could be right
…but given how they fouled up the Raji thing, I’ll wait for verification.
For the same reason that 6’5"+ guys like Jarrett, Mike Williams, Mikael Ricks and Ramses Barden generally don’t pan out in the NFL, I am skeptical about 5’8" WR’s like Thomas because they tend not to be all that productive in the NFL.
These guys could be different, but I think the data says no. Maybe we need Bishop to look at the history of guys under 5’10" and over 6’4" to validate…
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
From the same list of options, you could create your own combination of selelctions
Here’s another version;
Clint Sintim – LB
Dorell Scott – NT
Jason Watkins – OT
Domonique Johnson – CB
Gerald Cadogan – OT
Mike Hamlin – S
Keenan Lewis – CB
Tyronne Green – OG
Brian Hartline – WR
Tom Brandstater – QB
Donald Washington – CB
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
i don't see Lewis or Hamlin dropping that far.,.both are mid 4th or better prospects...
also not a fan of slow footed Watkins at OT…..will get pushed to OG…
Watkins slow footed?
I think you are thinking of someone else.
Watkins is a converted TE, and has good athleticism for the position. What he doesn’t have is experience and a demonstrated ability to get to the second level. In the games I saw him protect Tebow’s blind side, he slid and mirrored well.
Maybe you were thinking of our own Watkins…Patrick? :-)
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
well...after further examination...i don't stand corrected...he ran a 5.40 40...only 18 reps of 225lbs(weak)...not stout at all, poor leverage...NOT a 4th round prospect in my view..
he has upside, and much to learn about the position….lacks experience, and is/will be a marginal boom or bust guy after 3 years…if there in the late 5th-6th area….go for it….
I'm not big on 40 times as part of the evaluative criteria for OT's
I figure if they are running lots of 40’s, we’ve fumbled the ball or had it intercepted and run back on us way too many times.
When you said “slow footed”, I thought you were referring to the footwork required for the position of Offensive Tackle, which he displays good quick feet for.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Watkins is boom or bust
One of the few LT prospects with the size and foot speed that will be available past the 2nd round. But he is in need of a NFL line coach to ride him. (Every detailed report calls him soft and inconsistent.) Hopefully he would respond well.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Apr 22, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions
So...
Is Houck still the Houck of old or do we now need to draft o-linemen with the right attitude but with needs in technique and conditioning?
I wonder if Cisky ponders such things…
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I still have faith in Houck
I know a lot of people seem to have turned on him because of the O-line struggles last season, but when all the starters were healthy, they were impressive.
April 25-26 -- NFL Draft
by APerfectStar on Apr 22, 2009 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmmmm
I agree they were much better when Kosier was healthy.
But let me ask you this;
Isn’t the true test of any position coach what happens when injuries rob him of his starters? If the play dips because the next guy isn’t anywhere close to being ready to play, who is accountable for that?
You could say it’s the GM for not having gotten good talent in reserves, but don’t the position coaches grade out their part of the roster and decide who they keep as backups?
I love who Houck was, and he has been successful in other stints with other teams, but we need much improved line play this year if we’re going to be successful and the line is highly regarded and well paid.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Houck was a MAJOR disappointment last season for me....to be honest..I felt he should have been fired...I blame him for a good portion of the problems last season...
Of course the overall offensive scheme wasn’t his doing….but that should be different from line schemes, and responsibilities, and assurance the reserves are ready to step up when called upon….
There were some highly respected, proven, OL coaches available after last season, and should have been explored….but like the rest of the lame coaching staff..he’s getting a pass……this year defines the fate of the ENTIRE coaching staff…..
but I would have fired Wade Wilson and Hud Houch, as well as Stewart and Read, out of principle for their failure at their respective positions…
we either win it all, and Wade survives…..or the whole crew gets canned….Shanahan to the rescue…lol
nahh..it wasn't even the 40 times I was talkin.....he is athletic, has nimble feet....but he's the classic "dancing bear"....he doesn't have sound technique..
he gets pushed off balance, lateral stoutness is questioned…double moves catch him leaning, and can’t recover…….he has flaws is all…I’m sure more time at the position he can get better….but as Tom points out…he may turn out as bad as some think he’ll be good…I would not take him before round 5 for sure….but can turn into something down the road…he’s more project than prospect…he’s got the physique for sure…..good directing people in the running game….but pass protect leaves alot to be desired, and lots of work…….He’s not better than Doug Free at this point……..and I don’t draft guys that aren’t better than the reserves at their position….could become better ?…we’ll find out….Free has to show up during this camp, or his days are numbered…
Well, keep in mind
he is a converted Tight End and we probably haven’t seen anywhere near his best yet.
I like the idea of drafting guys who can be coached up and have high ceilings and a great work ethic.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Quarterbacks
It’s no secret that BTB’ers think Dallas needs a young QB to groom for the future from this draft and that it will come from one of our mid to late round picks.
I’ve voiced my support for Mike Reilly, since he reminds me of Romo a lot. However, there are others, including Stephen McGee, Tom Brandstater, Brian Hoyer and Jason Boltus.
What are your thoughts on each of these guys and if all were around in the 6th, who would you take and why?
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

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