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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/news/story?id=4087941

 

According to Espn Percy Harvin failed his drug test.  This could mean he could slip out of the first round.  I am asking is it worth it to take him if he does slip because he has so much potential both as a returner and a speed wr.  I want to be rid of these character guys, but a guy like Harvin dropping around us or near us would have to spark that little kid in Jerry looking for a new toy.  I did not fanpost it because it seems like a legitimate topic to discuss.

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I think Harvin is still going in the 1st, early 2nd

But this has to be a blow to Tate’s stock.

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by APerfectStar on Apr 22, 2009 12:38 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He's not on Dallas draft board

period.

They have 100 to 110 names on their board and his isn’t one of them.

Discuss away, but he’s not on their board. They’re not gonna take him.

by Rafael Vela on Apr 22, 2009 12:38 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hurray for no egomaniacs!

Well… besides Jerry. :]

by hiafex on Apr 22, 2009 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

they probably did not think he would drop that far but this guy has a ton of potential

He was a wr, rb, pr, etc he definitely would be someone that could contribute right away so why not put him on your draft board?

by rioplayer7 on Apr 22, 2009 3:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because he doesn't fit what the scouts are looking for

It isn’t as if they don’t expect him to drop, the have 23 first round prospects on their list (as Raf said in a previous post) and they don’t have a pick in the 1st. So, they have guys on their list that they don’t expect that will drop.

Character concerns and dope is a bad combination with that guy, 2 red flags that the team doesn’t want to have anymore.

Viva México! Go Cowboys!

by Chandus on Apr 22, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats because there is no chance he gets out of the 1st round!

Harvin had no, notta, none disaplinary issues at Florida, by all accounts he was a great team mate who played with injuries, and made a difference in the game-just look at the championship game last year! He is also very coachable- Irvin Myer will and does disapline his players, and Harvin never had any issues!

So, were does this information come from? Not knowing I couldn’t say, but I would say the Charactor stuff comes from agents of other WRs, and as for testing possative for pot- big deal.

If the Cowboy’s found this guy available when it was their pick and and didn’t take him then …….well it won’t happen, he’s gone in the 1st round!

by bad knees on Apr 22, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wrong, consensus among every draft source is hard to come by

And that’s because there’s really something that stinks in Harvin’s case.

Dallas does their homework and they chart players in the 1st Round even if they don’t have a 1st Round, Raf already said that the Cowboys have 23 first round graded players.

You may argue that nothing happened in Florida because nothing reached the public eye, well, now it has.

Viva México! Go Cowboys!

by Chandus on Apr 23, 2009 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well if he goes in in the top 15 or so, I guess the NFL owners...

the ones who really know will decide won’t they, and he slips too mid second …….well, I guess he a prime time player for the Cowboys

by bad knees on Apr 23, 2009 7:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't

think he’s going to get past the Giants.

by DoomsdayD75 on Apr 23, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder if that means Tate is gonna be off our board to

I thank God everyday i wasnt born a Eagles fan!!!!!!

by regaberto on Apr 22, 2009 1:10 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It really sucks....

Tate is an amazing PR and could become a steal but there are some others who could impress, Mike Thomas or Mike Wallace would be good selections

by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 22, 2009 1:32 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm a huge fan of Mike Wallace

can somebody say Bob Hayes, okay yes I know that’s way too premature and it probably won’t be the case, but seriously 6’, 199 and he’s be clocked in the 4.2’s, but I’d really like us to take a flyer on this guy in the 4th or 5th

by The Triplets on Apr 22, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

why Cowboys fans want these idiot players is beyond me

I don’t care if Harvin is the next Gayle Sayers, if he gets suspended because of his assinine character, his talent is useless.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 22, 2009 7:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

So u were against us having Irvin then?

I am sure you were routing for him when he was on our team. Percy is not a bad guy he just tested positive for marijuana which I am sure a quarter of the league would also if drug testing was strictly enforced.

by rioplayer7 on Apr 22, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Irvin didn't play in the Goodell era

and Percy has character issues beyond being stupid.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 22, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that Irvin's career of off-the-field drug related incidents have

created a new policy towards future players who have “drug” problems as opposed to just bad decision making. It could be that the experience with Irvin showed JJ that no matter how much a person may try to stay clean, the drugs can have a harder pull on their mind than say wanting to go to a strip club or having some bad apples as friends.

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Apr 22, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Other GM players have been dropping Harvin down the boards...

or at least thats whats being reported.

This was before he tested positive.

Apparently teams think that he runs around with far too many of his cliques and comes across as a ME ME guy.

He never came across that way to me, but eh, you never know.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by AirforceBat on Apr 22, 2009 8:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I was suprised by these reports

I always that Harvin was a hard worker and an overall good guy. He worked so hard to get on the field for that Championship game. Does anyone know what he tested positive for. I mean, apparently the Bears are OK with Cutler’s Chicago bar hopping. We all seem to be OK if Romo drinks. Does someone have character issues b/c they smoke marijuana? What happens if California and other states legalize it? Does that change how we view that particular “character” flaw.

"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach

by dave33 on Apr 22, 2009 10:09 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

absolutely

Cutler and Romo are doing nothing illegal, committing a crime is definitely a character flaw.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 22, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

But you don’t answer my question. If marijuana becomes legal, then its use is no longer a character flaw?

"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach

by dave33 on Apr 22, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

While i agree smoking marijuana isn't some sort of a moral character flaw

it is currently not legal, and given that he smoked marijuana recently enough to have tested positive for it at the combine, and the nfl suspends players for pot use, I can therefore infer that even if he does not have some sort of moral character flaw, he can’t be very bright. I would not take a guy too stupid to adhere to well known laws and nfl rules, especially before the draft, where if he performs well enough he could become a first round pick.

If drinking was outlawed, I would not take players on my team too stupid to drink and get suspended for it. That doesn’t mean I think they’re bad people by any means.

by foyesboys on Apr 22, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it just shows he is stupid

Everybody knows exactly when they are gonna get tested at the combine if you are dumb enough to not at least be clean then they you are dumb. The question I have is do you really have to be intelligent to be a good wr?

by rioplayer7 on Apr 22, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bingo.

I mean its not like it was a random drug test. He knew it was going to happen and still did it.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by AirforceBat on Apr 22, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm sure you don't need to be that bright

but my problem is that he possibly threw away a guarenteed contract, and if he did that I have no doubt hes dumb enough to get himself suspended in the nfl. And I don’t want guys on the team who are major suspension risks.

by foyesboys on Apr 22, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Come on dude...

That’s a SUPER hypothetical question.

It’s not that he did it that makes it so aweful, its the fact that he did it when he knew a drug test was coming.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by AirforceBat on Apr 22, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, its not really...

that hypothetical at all. Not sure how much of a news consumer you are, but the political winds do seem to be shifting in that direction. I am not placing a value judgment on it one way or the other. Nonetheless, I think it was a stupid a decision that may reflect on Harvin’s intelligence. What I think I am hearing from you all, is that because it was a stupid decision, you would stay away from him. I agree. But, that is different than saying that because he used marijuana, he’s a bad character guy. This in itself may be evidence of those changing political winds. So, Harvin is stupid enough to use before his test. Andre Smith was stupid enough to show up to the combine out of shape. Is there any difference between the two?

"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach

by dave33 on Apr 22, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

His pot incident doesn't makes him a bad character guy...

That only helps the subject of how stupid he’s.

His character concerns have everything to do with clashes with coaches and teammates during the course of his college career. It also has to do with his off the field activities and the people he hangs out with.

Two really serious red flags.

Viva México! Go Cowboys!

by Chandus on Apr 22, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

I think its only a matter of time before at least some states legalize pot. I don’t see it as some defining character flaw like using other harder drugs. Theres a world of difference between doing pot and the situations tank and pacman were in – pacman involved in multiple arrests and tank having his best friend and bodyguard shot and killed at a club.

But that being said, Smith and Harvin both worry me a lot. Both moves are grossly irresponsible and may’ve cost those two players millions (in smith’s case, maybe even 10 +million). As I said above, anyone too stupid to realize how much they had to gain by going to the combine in shape and healthy is probably a player I wouldn’t want on the team.

Also, Harvins situation will be viewed worse because there is a history of problems with him. Smith is just a lineman who showed up out of shape, and while thats bad….we’ve seen many players battle weight issues. Some fall victim to the problem, some overcome it. Flozell had serious weight issues and parcells worked him into shape. One of the more impressive feats of tuna’s coaching tenure was probably helping Flo reach that potential everyone knew he had.

by foyesboys on Apr 22, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I watch the news man...

But I also know that it’s been illegal for a while now, and that it takes quite a bit to legalize something. PLUS, even if one state could legalize it, the NFL would keep it as a banned substance more than likely.

One way or another, it still shows a lack of caring.

I’d feel the same way if a person was under 21 and came in with a major hangover for a big job interview.

I LOVE to drink, but it shows a lack of responsibility and that he or she doesn’t care enough to get hammered right before it.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by AirforceBat on Apr 22, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"it takes quite a bit to legalize something"

That depends on what law you are trying to change. In California for example, the passage of one bill would legalize it, the same way that ONE vote on a ballet initiative by the people of California legalized medical marijuana in 1996. In fact, it is so easy to pass legislation in some states that California’s gay citizens were stripped of their right to same sex marriage by a popular vote on California’s ballot initiative Prop 8. So, its not as hard as you think….

On other hand, if you are trying to change the federal Constitution, then it is very difficult.

"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach

by dave33 on Apr 22, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not just the marijuana

It’s the fact that these guys KNOW that they’re going to be tested and still do it anyway. They just can’t stop themselves. That’s what has to be taken into account. A young man is willing to throw millions of dollars away just to smoke some weed.

There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.

by kameleon_o on Apr 23, 2009 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Harvin is NOT a character concern

He’s from Virginia Beach, Virginia — which is where I live at the moment and where I grew up.

I have a friend and two co-workers — three classy human beings — who regularly communicate with him, and trust me… the kid is grounded.

Not saying he didn’t smoke da chronic, but how’s failing one drug test a character concern when he doesn’t have an extensive history of wrongdoing.

In fact, did any of the mediots report that his mother moved out to Florida while Percy was still a student-athlete at UF?

I’m not condoning his poor judgment, but at the same token, I’m not gonna get on a soap box and lump him with the Chris Henrys of the NFL just because he failed one drug test.

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by silverblue5 on Apr 22, 2009 2:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i'm sure there is...

…and i’m sure that includes the bad press they got last year thanks to the multiple character concerns they had on that ’08 roster.

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by silverblue5 on Apr 22, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I certainly don't think there's anything wrong with Harvin

But the guy just presents a risk it appears Dallas isn’t willing to gamble on. I personally have no problems with the guy’s smoking or what have you. It’s really less dangerous than drinking and bar hopping. I’m also fairly liberal and tend to take the “don’t judge and stay out of other folks’ business” approach. Most higher ups in the NFL aren’t like me, though. The fact still remains that the NFL brass frowns upon these things, despite the fact that it’s rather hypocritical. That would definitely present a “character concern”, in the NFL’s eyes at least.

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by the red scare on Apr 22, 2009 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would you want any athlete who smokes?

Anyone who doesn’t care enough about their body as an athlete (if nothing else) to keep it clean and in top condition doesn’t care enough to follow instructions in a TEAM sport where every guy has to depend on others to be able to do their jobs. If one fails or isn’t adequate, they all fail.

You can party without doing drugs, or becoming abusing alcohol, or smoking, or hanging with a group that want you to do incredibly stupid (and illegal) things or get involved in (and drag the player into) ugly incidents. Let’s not even go there as far as the Vikings boat incident.

by mdlusk on Apr 22, 2009 2:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

dude

most GM’s estimate that half of their teams smoke pot. If we didn’t draft players that smoke pot sometimes, we wouldn’t have a team at all. Pot has no effect whatsoever on your ability to play a sport.

Ask Michael Phelps. Bro.

by DoomsdayD75 on Apr 22, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope, got beat out by Shawn jihnson teh chubby little gymnast for the Sullivan!

At work we were wondering if the pot cost him that. Pretty unreal for 7 golds to not get you that award.

by Realist Larry on Apr 23, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow, bad typing

Johnson, and ‘the’

by Realist Larry on Apr 23, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

phelps smoked in his downtime

no way an olympic athlete of his caliber smokes regularly

I look at that as getting drunk on a weekend after a big test or something.

by foyesboys on Apr 23, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and that I believe was BEFORE the positive drug results became public....

He DOES have a history of several other descretions..abrasive and unmanageable, a diva style attitude, runs with a seedy cast of entourage style followers, and…..reports of insubordination to coaches, etc. etc. etc…12 or so on wonderlic…ahhhhh

I’d take him at 51 though…lol

by My_2_Cents on Apr 22, 2009 2:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Drugs aren't the most shocking thing

it’s his intelligence im worried about. I mean let’s face it marijuana is harmless but there are millions of detox drinks/methods and he couldn’t think of anything to pass a simple drug test, or atleast abstain from burning leaf for a month.

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by MrMinority on Apr 22, 2009 3:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's illegal

because of propaganda and yellow journalism from the 30’s. Trust me i’ve done the research lol and let’s not get into this argument, just keep it strictly football…my bad

"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips

by MrMinority on Apr 22, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

an alternative viewpoint from a retired police chief

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/norm-stamper/420-thoughts-on-pot-vs-al_b_188627.html

"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach

by dave33 on Apr 22, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This documentary is the best when it comes to this debate

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9077214414651731007

But I do agree that once you reach a professional level that you need to stop doing things that are illegal. Even if they don’t coincide with what you believe is correct, you live in the system and earn from the system, so you follow it…stay out of trouble

"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips

by MrMinority on Apr 22, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well thats lame

so I’m just supposed to bend over and conform? Where would we be as a society if everyone did that?

We’re not talking about violent crimes here. We’re talking about personal lifestyle choices.

by DoomsdayD75 on Apr 23, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

crimes are crimes

and obviously Goodell doesn’t differentiate between them. If you break the law, he’s gonna suspend you, simple as that. Has nothing to do with personal lifestyle choices.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 23, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So would you be cool with your airline pilot toking up before the flight?

Or your kids school bus driver?

If you work for yourself, then you don’t have to worry about drug testing, but almost every job nowadays you have to stay clean. Like it or not. Even if it ever becomes legal, it will still be tested for just like alcohol.

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by APerfectStar on Apr 23, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's always been my arguement!...

Man I’m glad my doctor smoked that dube to calm down before he did my colonoscopy…….too bad I was suppose to has a tonsillectomy!

by bad knees on Apr 23, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And how come when he did my colonoscopy both his hands were on my shoulders??

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by kameleon_o on Apr 23, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great argument

Even if it was legal like booze you still don’t want people going about their jobs toking up. You don’t want them on the streets and personally I don’t really want them around me or my family. That goes for someone that’s smashed on booze or high on mary jane.

There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.

by kameleon_o on Apr 23, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Harvin is Risky

Silver Blue – I believe we corresponded last year regarding Eddie Royal from Westfield High School – good one, eh? Re: Harvin, I have a slightly different, but unique, take on Percy, being local to Virginia and given my son was a starter for the Oakton HS football team in 2006 when they upset Landsdowne High School in the State Championship (28-7). At the time, Harvin was a senior at Landsdowne and they were favored to win the game by like 30 points or something…I think they were ranked #7 nationwide by USA Today.

What sticks out in my mind to this day are two things: 1) Harvin refused to shake any of the Oakton captain’s hands before the game at midfield and was trash-talking from the get-go and 2) he definitely threw in the towel before halftime.

LIke any competitive HS football team, we had some trash-talkers too, but I distinctly remember the Oakton players commenting after the game that the kid was really out there with his cocky attitude. Because Harvin was the best player on the field that day, the strategy was to put a spy on Harvin (Keith Payne, a RB/HB now with UVA) and haress him all over the field. It worked as Harvin was a complete non-factor during the game. If you were at this game, you know that Harvin gave up about halfway through the first half and they lost 28-7 with Percy mostly walking back to huddle – I noticed this. I was actually pretty shocked at the whole thing after hearing so much about him – maybe he was hurt but don’t think so. After the game the guys were talking about how Harvin just quit on the field that day and wondering what all the hype was about – hey, I’m not making this stuff up – talk to anyone who was at the game. I know he was great at Florida and was a hardworker there, so he probably has overcome his immaturity, but it is one data point to consider.

"The Most Dangerous Man in the world is the one with nothing to lose"

by SaratogaRacing on Apr 22, 2009 3:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Terry -

let’s keep it to football, but strictly from a medical viewpoint, marijuana is actually a much better choice as it is not addictive and is w/o hangover the next day.

"The Most Dangerous Man in the world is the one with nothing to lose"

by SaratogaRacing on Apr 22, 2009 4:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

lol

that’s because it technically is a medicine. It’s just a medicine with side effects healthy people enjoy.

by DoomsdayD75 on Apr 23, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey,don't make fun of us potheads!

You know you love our man, boobs!

by bad knees on Apr 23, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Terry, I'm not a pot-head...

But here are a few things to consider:

1. The dangers of Pot seem to be terribly overstated.
2. There are TONS of professionals – Athletes, Lawyers, businessmen, etc. that use it and succeed.
3. Character issues should be researched, and while smoking pot should be considered, it definitely should not carry a “veto this guy” draconian response.

My two cents…

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by DalaiLuke on Apr 23, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

bottom line

there is a reason it’s illegal, if it was as harmless as you make it out to me, it wouldn’t be.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 24, 2009 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was waiting for this to happen.

As soon as someone starts to talk about sensible policy change, they get called a pothead. This is one of the reasons these asinine laws are still in place.

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by dave33 on Apr 24, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Red and Black!! Red and Black!! Red and Black!! Congrats boys first time in team history over .500

by aussie_cowboy on Apr 26, 2009 5:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Question

Why would we be looking at Matt Jones and not Percy Harvin? There have been a few reports of us being interested in Jones, we are just waiting to see if he gets suspended.

I’d much rather have Harvin than Jones.

by DoomsdayD75 on Apr 22, 2009 4:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

IF

Dallas is looking at Matt Jones, which I haven’t read but might be the case, one reason is that you aren’t giving up anything but minimum rate for receiver.

It’d be a one year deal with tons of stips.

They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works, every time.

by AirforceBat on Apr 22, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

but they will both be in the same boat. random drug tests. We’d be getting Harvin in the mid 2nd, so there wouldn’t be too much financial risk.

It just seems like there is a lot more upside to a guy like Harvin as opposed to Jones.

Here’s a link for that Jones rumor though.

SI: Truth and Rumors

by DoomsdayD75 on Apr 23, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

id be absolutely shocked if we picked up jones

the guys gonna play a year at most before getting suspended again. and thats after he comes back from the suspension he’llserve this year

by foyesboys on Apr 23, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

weed

it just makes u go faster

by sublimezg on Apr 22, 2009 5:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Unless you are driving a car

Then it usually makes you go slower

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by APerfectStar on Apr 23, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

funny, but true!

Tar Heels = National Champs in Basketball ... top 5 in Baseball ... Top 10 this year in Football?

by DalaiLuke on Apr 23, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not arguing, but this issue really is not about football.

It is about personal character and how our choices affect that perception. Some are more lenient than others, myself not always included. I use myself for judgement material, and all I can say is that I never got popped on a drug screen. Did I ever smoke a bowl? You bet, I was one of the biggest stoners in my H.S. After graduation I had to consider other things, so as the Bible says “When I was a child I was consumed with childish wants, as a man I must put those behind me and take the responsibilities of being a man”. Rough translation, but you get the point. You just don’t smoke weed before you get tested. Every year we hear about some kid failing his drug screen. He obviously hasn’t put away his childish things. And, now everyone will always have in the back of their mind that he is smoking dope even if it was his last toke. He will have that reputation to live with for the rest of his life. Michael Irvin will always have the stigma of being a coke fiend tied to him, even if he never snorted another line. Is that what you want to be remembered for?

When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.

by GunsUp on Apr 24, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that is truly the issue - it was idiotic not to show some self-restraint

and for this, a positive test causes a several-round drop…

as it should, I have no argument… but THEN I think you need to get back to football, and steal the talent! Have him share a room with a high-character mentor-type that can keep his mind on football.

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by DalaiLuke on Apr 26, 2009 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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